Kyron Horman -- Missing 6/4/10 #2

Hi Piper,

I was just getting ready to post that link:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html

Switching off the subject of Dez....what about the teacher marking Kyron absent?

The bell rang at 8:45 for the kids to go to their classroom until 9AM when they got to go back to the science fair. So we can assume roll was taken between 8:45 and 9AM.

There was a chaperon obviously AFTER 8:45 to take groups of 6 kids to check out the exhibits in some organized way.

Tanner said the chaperon said she only had 5 and asked where was Kyron. He said his teacher suggested he may have gone for water or to the bathroom (did she really? or did Tanner embellish?).....Tanner said the chaperon said then 'she was leaving'....meaning the chaperon was going to go ahead with her group of 5 kids. This doesn't make sense! The chaperon would have waited for Kyron a few minutes at least if the teacher had really said he might be in the bathroom etc! AND at this point the teacher would have already marked Kyron absent....so maybe Tanner just assumed the bathroom and water thing because he'd seen Kyron there earlier, but the teacher really told the chaperon Kyron was absent...so the chaperon went on her way.


YET the teacher claims she saw Kyron and Terri there that morning, so she knew he shouldn't have been absent! So we have to consider now that the teacher really did think Terri had taken Kyron to the doctor that Friday instead of the real Friday June 11...that's she'd shown up with Kyron so Kyron could see the science fair and then took him off with her to the doctor.

Terri has cleared this up by saying Kyron's teacher was hard of hearing and may have gotten confused because she/Terri had told her about the doctor appointment just the day before (June 3).

Now, there was speculation that Terri deliberately misled the teacher about what Friday Kyron was going to be absent so she could make him disappear. But Terri said she told the teacher early because the teacher had to fill out a paper that Terri had to take with her to the doctor's appointment. What paper?

It's been said by Kaine and Desiree that Kyron was having difficulties in school listening to his teachers. And it's been said Kyron had Asperger's Syndrome. All that suggests he may have had ADD....in which case the teacher would need to fill out a paper so the doctor might get Kyron's meds straight.

By this analysis, it just seems like a normal day! Nothing sinister going on...except Kryon went missing!

....and Kaine and Desiree claim that they have not verified if Kyron had a doctor's appointment at all! On any Friday, or on any day! And that's really disturbing to me...this info is necessary to validate Terri's story! Why don't they care? It would make another great thing to tell the media about while trashing Terri...it would be ONE LIE that could be proven instead of Dez and Kaine's normal suggestion that Terri lies, without giving any examples or proofs! Why miss this golden opportunity to show the world they are right about Terri being a liar?

Surely, LE has checked the doctor's appointment out! Did they find Terri was lying? Or did they find she was telling the truth?

Lottie, the assistants that were assigned to escort 5 or 6 kids were only suppose to account for the kids when they returned to the classroom. The attendance was not checked until 10 am when they returned to the class.

When the teacher commented that Kyron was probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water, the assistant left the school. They did not check the roll @ 8:45.

Mama,

It has been said the grounds of Desiree and Kaine's divorce was Irreconcilable Differences and a Restraining Order was also issued.

I'll see what I can find later on today.

Morning Calypso!


From her RO she filed against him, it sounded as if she was afraid of him....she felt he was going to take the kids. I read another story she had filed for divorce, then found out she was pregnant, they tried to make it work and it didn't. I will have to find that article.....

Morning Piper!

I believe you are correct in it was fear of Kaine taking the children. It makes you wonder were here fears justified?

(And why would he take her older son, Quinn, he wasn't Kaine's biological son.)

If you can find anything on the divorce it'd be great!

From the articles I have read, the school opened it's door's approx 0800hrs. The parents and visitors had until 0845hrs to view the exhibits.

At 0845hrs, the parents and visitors were to leave, students returned to class and were to be broken up into groups of 5-6 students per teacher, parent guide. (Someone could have hid in the building)

The school bell rang at 0845hrs everyday. (Which would be a good reason Terri knew what time she left specifically)

Tanner Pumala stated Kyron told him he was "going to look at a electric exhibit" and saw him standing by a door, his mother, Terri had already left.

The students were escorted around the different classrooms and returned to their classes just before 1000hrs.

When Kyron's group returned, Tanner Pumala stated the substitute stated she "Only had 5" and reported this to Ms Porter, Kyron's teacher. Ms Porter responded with "He probrably went to get a drink or use the bathroom". The substitute then said she "Was leaving" and left.

Attendance was taken and Ms Porter allegedly marked Kyron absent. (I think this is b/s and a means to take responsibility off the school. Let's face it, if Ms Porter marked him present and he wasn't, that's the teacher's butt and the school's liability. If they maintain he was marked absent, then the school can cover their butts with the no school notification which was in place at the time of the disappearance. The school board and county can't afford a lawsuit.)

ETA: And since Tanner Pumala appears to be the only one who witnessed this, as far as we know, it's Tanner's word against the school board.

I firmly believe the school wants to take no responsibility at all for Kyron going missing........I feel it's been hush-hushed from the beginning. That's why times and such haven't been publicly verified by LE, it's also another reason they have swept Tanner's statement under the rug. His grandma even stated she was told not to disclose Tanner's statement, but she let him be interviewed anyway. She felt the information needed to be out there. I don't know if I agree with her on letting such a young child be interviewed on television in this situation. She could have repeated his statement, but she did it and we watched as Tanner told it in his own words.

CONFUSION! Help! :)

Has anyone seen it written anywhere by LE or the School staff what time roll was taken that day?

I haven't seen it....it's just been my guess that it would reasonably have been taken at the same time it was taken on any other day...that being when the 8:45 bell rang for classes to begin?

Schools generally have a warning bell (8:45?) and then a late bell a few minutes later. Then roll is taken.

Also a reason why I 'guess' the roll was taken before 9AM is because they HAVE to account for these kids once the kids are their responsibility...insurance is one reason.

And I don't know Oregon, but my experience with schools that are federally regulated has been that they don't change the rules day by day...so if roll is taken at a certain time that's always the time! They're not going to change it for just one day and take it AFTER the science fair at 10. Can you just imagine kids wandering in between 9 and 10 and trying to find their group? NO...these kids were accounted for before 9!

Also, these rolls are faxed to the state daily...they're not just for the local school records. The state and feds pay the schools based on how many kids are there each day. I know this for a fact! And all a kid has to do is show up for roll, then they can leave and the school still gets paid for that kid for that day. That's a fact!

But maybe they did take roll late that day! The small town seems a bit laid back. Perhaps their schools aren't as regimented as some. Perhaps they didn't take roll until after 10....and perhaps the chaperon only missed Kyron when she got her group back to the classroom at 10. Perhaps the teacher did assume Kyron was getting water or whatnot, then falsified her records to show him absent to keep the school out of trouble? Perhaps Kyron slipped off from his group when he told Tanner he was going to see that other exhibit....well...Looks like we'd have heard from the chaperon that she DID have Kyron at some point....and we've not hear that. The impression is left that she didn't ever have him with her group....for this to have happened Kyron was gone before 9AM. And if roll was taken before 9, then the marking of him being absent makes sense.

It would be very convenient for the school to say the roll wasn't taken until after 10AM. This would give a much larger window of opportunity for Kyron to have been snatched without them being responsible. But I believe they'd be in violation of a state and/or federal law. I don't believe the school would cover their butts by faking marking Kyron absent.

So...anyone seen PROOF of when roll was taken that day? TIA

Approx 1000HRS, AFTER the SCIENCE FAIR!!!

That's like saying the school had conducted backround checks on ALL school personel on anyone that came in contact with their students, or a security system was in place, or the school wasn't crazy with 300 kids and their parents, and friends, and exhibits, and there was organization!

"Also a reason why I 'guess' the roll was taken before 9AM is because they HAVE to account for these kids once the kids are their responsibility...insurance is one reason."

That's what I'm saying, their ass is on the line!
The school SCREWED UP!

You know, Tanner's a little kid...he seems intelligent enough....but he hasn't said what time he saw Kyron when Kyron said he was going to look at the cool electric exhibit. Kids that age don't 'linear' things....I think Tanner is speaking in generalities, clumping the events together out of context.

Now obviously when he spoke with Kyron, Kyron was not with his group or Tanner would have said so. So likely Tanner saw Kyron before 9AM. And Kyron was not with Terri or anyone else...so it's a fair guess it was between 8:45 and 9.

UNLESS Kyron didn't go to his classroom when he was supposed to and was wandering the science fair alone after 9. Tanner needs to say if HE/Tanner was with HIS group when he saw Kyron or if it was before he/Tanner was with his group.

I need to go play reporter in Portland and get me some answers! :)

Calypso wrote:Approx 1000HRS, AFTER the SCIENCE FAIR!!!

Link please?

http://www.kptv.com/news/23811673/detail.html


Deputies have said Kyron's absence went unnoticed.

Here's Tanner's interview again: