Re: Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #17

by Freckles Wed May 01, 2013 3:10 pm

===What are the odds the jury members have severed trauma themselves or knows another who has? They are going to throw this guy out with the dishwater. Absolutely stupid to try to insist a person who has undergone specific (or non-specific!) stresses will ALWAYS react in the SAME fashion each and every time!

I call BS on this!

by Mari 68 Wed May 01, 2013 3:12 pm

Let's all pretend Jodi doesn't have borderline personality disorder.

Let's all pretend that the wooden spoons DID in fact cause her trauma. And let's pretend Travis did knock her down a few times - smashed her finger and such.

And let's pretend she was truly feeling and experiencing all this battered woman stuff.

And let's even pretend she truly was in a fog after the killing.

um, so what???????

May 26th through June 4th - what was all that nonsense? gas cans, removed license plate, cell phone off, etc.

What was THAT????

by Bmore Wed May 01, 2013 3:13 pm

coincidences

by Bo Wed May 01, 2013 3:13 pm

Bmore....you know what a few months can do....LOL...
I wonder if JM will ask him what the differences are between the "Old" version and the "New" version????

by Freckles Wed May 01, 2013 3:14 pm

How would Geffy know what Dr. D testified to?
He is out of line and should have been shut down by Juan!
He has NO idea WHY Dr. D gave certain tests!!!

Keep in mind, HE never tested JA.
HE never even SPOKE with her let alone assessed her.

Now he is going to speak of intelligence tests?
Without testing her? roflao

He said the tests are NOT relevant! Not at all!!

by Bmore Wed May 01, 2013 3:14 pm

ummm it's dated, has irrelevant info, not as efficient... isn't as nice to look at... lol

by Bo Wed May 01, 2013 3:15 pm

When Jodi was arrested ...she was packing up her car right??? leaving...going somewhere.... Did she have 3 gas cans in her car for THAT road trip???

by Bmore Wed May 01, 2013 3:16 pm

freckles because JW and he talked about it... JM did shut them down once and JW said something like remember what or when we discussed this/that/the other? I commented on her word is as good as JA's so why bother...

by Freckles Wed May 01, 2013 3:16 pm

=== JA is antsy looking about the court. She appears sulky. Mitigator approaches and appears to be consoling her. She puts her hand on the back of JA. Huh? Since when is she allowed to touch the defendant?

by carlakay Wed May 01, 2013 3:17 pm

Mari 68 wrote:Let's all pretend Jodi doesn't have borderline personality disorder.

Let's all pretend that the wooden spoons DID in fact cause her trauma. And let's pretend Travis did knock her down a few times - smashed her finger and such.

And let's pretend she was truly feeling and experiencing all this battered woman stuff.

And let's even pretend she truly was in a fog after the killing.

um, so what???????

May 26th through June 4th - what was all that nonsense? gas cans, removed license plate, cell phone off, etc.

What was THAT????

yeah what was THAT? and how can someone so messed up in the head have the prescence of mind to set up a doggy gate blocking a dog from his beloved owner lying upstairs dead in his shower AFTER she has the presence of mind to wash the body and splash water all over the crime scene;delete pictures..shower..do a load of laundry and remove ALL evidence of her prescence from the house...what about ALL OF THAT!?

by Bmore Wed May 01, 2013 3:19 pm

from fb... I think this just about nails it... lol

Beverly J. Clift Marks - The bottom line is Jodi butchered Travis-I don't give a flip if she has PTSD, personality disorder, diarrhea, migraines, lice, etc. etc. etc. None of this can mask what she did to another human being.

by Freckles Wed May 01, 2013 3:22 pm

Mari--

How is it JA is in a FOG only with her OWN actions?
When she told Det Flores about the ninjas during the interview, she told them WHICH ninja had a gun... and which had a knife! She even told of them stabbing Travis.

JA confesses and goes into a fog?

Does that work for you?

by vegret Wed May 01, 2013 3:23 pm

Weeziethm wrote:IIRC, there is a grace period by which professionals use to transition from one test to the other test. Dr D testified that she was within the grace period. She also explained what the changes were with the updated version and they were minor, I think!

The only thing I came away with this morning is confirmation that JW is really really jealous of Dr D

OMGosh...I was thinking the same thing, JW is sooooo jealous of Dr. D, she should be wearing GREEN! Laughing

by Freckles Wed May 01, 2013 3:24 pm

Bo wrote:When Jodi was arrested ...she was packing up her car right??? leaving...going somewhere.... Did she have 3 gas cans in her car for THAT road trip???

No! She had 2 knives and 1 brand spanking new gun, however!
And apparently, loads of cash for her expenditures! crystal ball

by tesstruhart Wed May 01, 2013 3:25 pm

If the jurors are just regular folks like us (in my case I have slight irregularities), I think they will ask those questions in the jury room. No matter what pathologies JA has, it does not change the fact that she killed in a particularly heinous way. The defense is just dancing for time. Everyone connected with this trial is so over it. I believe the jurors can be included in that. the saving grace is that Juan doesn't mince words or dance...it will be a done deal when he is up. Just getting screechy out of the questioners box is the challenge.

by Freckles Wed May 01, 2013 3:25 pm

carlakay wrote:
Mari 68 wrote:Let's all pretend Jodi doesn't have borderline personality disorder.

Let's all pretend that the wooden spoons DID in fact cause her trauma. And let's pretend Travis did knock her down a few times - smashed her finger and such.

And let's pretend she was truly feeling and experiencing all this battered woman stuff.

And let's even pretend she truly was in a fog after the killing.

um, so what???????

May 26th through June 4th - what was all that nonsense? gas cans, removed license plate, cell phone off, etc.

What was THAT????

yeah what was THAT? and how can someone so messed up in the head have the prescence of mind to set up a doggy gate blocking a dog from his beloved owner lying upstairs dead in his shower AFTER she has the presence of mind to wash the body and splash water all over the crime scene;delete pictures..shower..do a load of laundry and remove ALL evidence of her prescence from the house...what about ALL OF THAT!?

Lock the doors to the bedroom and the office... AND change her clothing!
Oh. And, according to JA, put the knife in the dishwasher!

by Mari 68 Wed May 01, 2013 3:27 pm

Freckles wrote:Mari--

How is it JA is in a FOG only with her OWN actions?
When she told Det Flores about the ninjas during the interview, she told them WHICH ninja had a gun... and which had a knife! She even told of them stabbing Travis.

JA confesses and goes into a fog?

Does that work for you?

Yeah, and she was trying to give her story to "comport" with the evidence. Remember her saying that???? She wanted to tell them about the Ninjas and shit - the sequence of events - that would match the evidence she thought they had.

So she EFFING knew. She remembered.

I hate her.

THIS is the main reason I think she did in fact shoot first. Only because she didn't know yet just how she should be lying in this case so I took her sequence as the ONLY part that was based on facts.

And that Dr. Horn said it was "possible" due to the decomp.

by Weeziethm Wed May 01, 2013 3:33 pm

Snipped from Tess:

Just getting screechy out of the questioners box is the challenge..

roflao

by Bo Wed May 01, 2013 3:38 pm

FACTS....Jurors are suppose to make their decision based on FACTS...so IF they do that and don't inject this "Emotional Garbage" into their deliberations..then they SHOULD come back with M1....buttttt....I figured "common sense" would prevail in the CA trial also...and we all know how that went

by 18thcenturylady Wed May 01, 2013 3:46 pm

O.k., so uh, Dr. D's conclusions are wrong because she used a test that is 5 minutes out of date, and most likely is substantively the same, but Dr. G.'s conclusions are correct when HE DIDN'T EVEN INTERVIEW JODI OR SPEAK TO HER WHATSOEVER, LET ALONE ADMINISTER ANY TESTS!

HUH?????????

by carlakay Wed May 01, 2013 3:48 pm

Bo wrote:FACTS....Jurors are suppose to make their decision based on FACTS...so IF they do that and don't inject this "Emotional Garbage" into their deliberations..then they SHOULD come back with M1....buttttt....I figured "common sense" would prevail in the CA trial also...and we all know how that went

exactly Bo and because of the lazy or flat out moronic pinellas 12 I refuse to get my hopes up on what this verdict will be..all I know is what it SHOULD be based upon the FACTS that were presented in that courtroom

by 18thcenturylady Wed May 01, 2013 4:01 pm

carlakay wrote:
Bo wrote:FACTS....Jurors are suppose to make their decision based on FACTS...so IF they do that and don't inject this "Emotional Garbage" into their deliberations..then they SHOULD come back with M1....buttttt....I figured "common sense" would prevail in the CA trial also...and we all know how that went

exactly Bo and because of the lazy or flat out moronic pinellas 12 I refuse to get my hopes up on what this verdict will be..all I know is what it SHOULD be based upon the FACTS that were presented in that courtroom

That's exactly my problem too, Carla. I have realized that those jurors have forever altered my faith in our system and in justice for all. I have tried to put it behind me and write it off as an aberration, but have not been able to. This case has kept me up late at night worrying that another murderer will "get away with it" and another victim will not have justice...

by Mari 68 Wed May 01, 2013 4:21 pm

Our judicial system is an adversarial one.

Other countries practice an inquisitive one. They search for the truth.

We exclude the truth to benefit the accused.

We say its because we don't want innocent people being jailed.

I guess its a fine line - but it just seems as this country becomes more and more liberal, killers are getting less and less time behind bars.

I know Texas and Florida mean real heavy business when someone is convicted, but it just isn't so in most cases.

by carlakay Wed May 01, 2013 4:24 pm

tic toc tic toc already late in my book..sorry yall but this REALLY gets on my nerves

by Mari 68 Wed May 01, 2013 4:25 pm

carlakay wrote:tic toc tic toc already late in my book..sorry yall but this REALLY gets on my nerves

migraine?

by Bo Wed May 01, 2013 4:26 pm

Mari...do you remember the trial about the mom "who said God told her to take her children in the back yard and had them lay their head on a big rock while she took a large rock herself and proceeded to bash their skulls between the rocks? I think this lady got sentenced to the looney bin...but i think she may be out now...I think she's "Cured"....That case SHOCKED me to the core on our justice system...and especially being out of Texas

by olivier57 Wed May 01, 2013 4:29 pm

Mari 68 wrote:Our judicial system is an adversarial one.

Other countries practice an inquisitive one. They search for the truth.

We exclude the truth to benefit the accused.

We say its because we don't want innocent people being jailed.

I guess its a fine line - but it just seems as this country becomes more and more liberal, killers are getting less and less time behind bars.

I know Texas and Florida mean real heavy business when someone is convicted, but it just isn't so in most cases.

Watching this trial from France, I can tell you that I think that our judicial system goes in the same direction. Compassion for murderers, ignorance for victims. The new thing I discovered and that we don't have (so far) is the "mitigation specialist". Attorneys are already twisting the truth, building fake stories, but furthermore, the job of some professionals is to search for any tips and tricks that will reduce the sentence of a killer. Astonishing.

by Bo Wed May 01, 2013 4:30 pm

Deanna Laney was her name

by Freckles Wed May 01, 2013 4:33 pm

TWEET

elizabetherwin Witness back on the stand, just waiting on the jury. #JodiArias about 1 minute ago

elizabetherwin Back in the PACKED courtroom waiting for the #JodiArias trial to resume. Dr. Geffner (defense psychologist) back on stand soon.

by Freckles Wed May 01, 2013 4:34 pm

===So when does Wilmott call it quits and turn this witness over?

He is done. Fork him!

by Freckles Wed May 01, 2013 4:35 pm

Tweet

michaelbkiefer On the stand, Dr. Geffner is talking about
credentials again.

by carlakay Wed May 01, 2013 4:36 pm

Freckles wrote:===So when does Wilmott call it quits and turn this witness over?

He is done. Fork him!

well apparently first she has to have him go over again how brilliant and professional he is....grrrr I hope to God one of the juror questions is Why are you here when you never tested or spoke to the defendant at all?

by Freckles Wed May 01, 2013 4:36 pm

===Gaffy does not know anyone associated w/ this trial.. except Alyce! LOL! He is REALLY hanging out with her based on what he is saying.

by Mari 68 Wed May 01, 2013 4:37 pm

Bo wrote:Mari...do you remember the trial about the mom "who said God told her to take her children in the back yard and had them lay their head on a big rock while she took a large rock herself and proceeded to bash their skulls between the rocks? I think this lady got sentenced to the looney bin...but i think she may be out now...I think she's "Cured"....That case SHOCKED me to the core on our justice system...and especially being out of Texas

Yes, her and Andrea Yates. Both crazy. Which honestly makes it even sadder. The mothers didn't WANT to murder their children - and when they become "cured", or realize what's been done, they are TRAUMATIZED.

by Pianist Wed May 01, 2013 4:38 pm

Freckles wrote:===So when does Wilmott call it quits and turn this witness over?

He is done. Fork him!

She will use all the time she can. It is really stalling. The DT does not want Juan to have any time. This is disrespectful of the jury.

by Freckles Wed May 01, 2013 4:38 pm

=== Said he and Alyce refer cases to each other!!!

Tweet

elizabetherwin Dr. G says in preparing for this case he didn't review or watch any testimony from anyone. #JodiArias 19 seconds ago

elizabetherwin Dr G and LaViolette have referred cases to each other from time to time. #JodiArias about 1 minute ago

michaelbkiefer Now Geffner discusses his familiarity with Alyce LaViolette.

by Freckles Wed May 01, 2013 4:39 pm

=== I have terrible lightning and rain storms here.
I may lose power....

by tesstruhart Wed May 01, 2013 4:39 pm

going over his testimony in another case where his veracity was questioned.

by Junebug Wed May 01, 2013 4:39 pm

Freckles wrote:===Gaffy does not know anyone associated w/ this trial.. except Alyce! LOL! He is REALLY hanging out with her based on what he is saying.

This I would not like at all if I were a juror.

by Pianist Wed May 01, 2013 4:40 pm

Mari 68 wrote:
Bo wrote:Mari...do you remember the trial about the mom "who said God told her to take her children in the back yard and had them lay their head on a big rock while she took a large rock herself and proceeded to bash their skulls between the rocks? I think this lady got sentenced to the looney bin...but i think she may be out now...I think she's "Cured"....That case SHOCKED me to the core on our justice system...and especially being out of Texas

Yes, her and Andrea Yates. Both crazy. Which honestly makes it even sadder. The mothers didn't WANT to murder their children - and when they become "cured", or realize what's been done, they are TRAUMATIZED.

Very sad. I would believe that they would have PTSD. We would have sympathy for them but still would want justice for the victims.

by Freckles Wed May 01, 2013 4:41 pm

Oh, good! Talking about when Gaffy was attempted to be impeached! He said he really wasn't sure as to why... JUDGES IN APPELLATE COURTS!

Really?
affraid

It is apparent Gaffy is bottom of the barrel for expert witness...
Well, if HE is not aware of what the problems were, I am sure Juan will clue him in...
Laughing

by tesstruhart Wed May 01, 2013 4:42 pm

Frek, I have storm rolling here too...I hope we don't lose power.

by Weeziethm Wed May 01, 2013 4:42 pm

Oh geez....I think we are getting into the Dr Horn rebuttbutt!

by Pianist Wed May 01, 2013 4:43 pm

Freckles wrote:Oh, good! Talking about when Gaffy was attempted to be impeached! He said he really wasn't sure as to why... JUDGES IN APPELLATE COURTS!

Really?

He caught Jodi's FOG.

by tesstruhart Wed May 01, 2013 4:44 pm

did Effner borrow Laviolettes dentures for the trial? #jodiarias #bugsbunnyaintgotnuthinonthesewitnesses
— court jester (@courtjesterias) May 1, 2013

by Freckles Wed May 01, 2013 4:44 pm

tesstruhart wrote:going over his testimony in another case where his veracity was questioned.

Oh, I would say there are at least FIVE other cases where he was found to be "not credible."

Embarassed

by olivier57 Wed May 01, 2013 4:45 pm

Come on, and now he is going to explain in a few minutes that one could fight with a bullet in the brain.

by Freckles Wed May 01, 2013 4:46 pm

Tweet

elizabetherwin As we're winding down, what do you think has been the most shocking or surprising part of this case? #JodiArias about 1 minute ago

michaelbkiefer "Neuropsychology is the bridge between psychology and medicine," Geffner said.

by Freckles Wed May 01, 2013 4:47 pm

Weeziethm wrote:Oh geez....I think we are getting into the Dr Horn rebuttbutt!

Tweet

elizabetherwin Now Dr. G talking about his experience in neuropsychology.

by 18thcenturylady Wed May 01, 2013 4:49 pm

OMG, this guy is also supposed to testify about the shot not incapacitating Travis' brain (LOL), and if he hasn't even gotten to that yet, how the heck does everyone seriously think testimony in this trial will be over today???

What really burns me up is that the judge bends over backwards to allow the defense to present every way- out, ridiculous thing they want to, and even after that, and after the judge makes it clear to all that today is IT---GET IT DONE, the defense still goes on and on with no regard or consideration for anyone else. They ignore the judge's admonishments, and could care less about jury fatigue. They hog the day, delay with endless sidebars and histrionics, and show no respect to the prosecution, their witnesses or the courts rulings.
That is why I made the decision NOT to watch the SUPPOSEDLY last day of trial. I can't sit here gritting my teeth and getting angrier and angrier.
I really can't see this winding up today as promised, and frankly, if I were Juan, the judge and the jury, I'd be ripped as he--.

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