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Body Language Which Will Not Endear Casey Anthony to A Jury in Her Upcoming Check Fraud Trial Or In her Murder Trial

Dr. Lillian Glass
January 6, 2010

Casey Anthony’s criminal trial for 13 check fraud counts will be on Jan. 25 where she will be having to defend against felony from allegations she ripped off hundreds of dollars from her former friend Amy Huizenga, going on several shopping sprees while daughter, Caylee, went missing. There are body language behaviors that Casey has exhibited thus far in the courtroom that have turned people off.

If she continues to exhibit them during her trials, no matter what her team of lawyers say to defend her, their words will fall on deaf ears. Here are some of Casey’s body language turn off’s which we have seen during her various courtroom appearances. They speak volumes about her.

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http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/body-language-which-will-not-endear-casey-anthony-to-a-jury-in-her-upcoming-check-fraud-trial-or-in-her-murder-trial-later-his-year/

You're right, AJ, and another example was this last hearing when she was so obviously furious at being busted about what she did to her daughter... then JB leaned over and said something to her..... and only moments later, she tried to muster up some tears for the camera.

Can't wait to see how she behaves at trial. She may start out trying to behave in a certain manner (the way she will have been coached to behave), but I think since the trial will probably last several weeks, she won't be able to help herself..... her true self will shine through.

JMO

Casey's body language is going to hurt her big time. Most people here who were watching the last hearing and participating in the live discussion noticed the fake crying right away. Baez is probably going to file a motion that asks that jurors not be allowed to look at Casey or take her body language into account.

J4A, that would not surprise me in the least.... JB and Company have filed sillier motions.

DR. LILLIAN GLASS BODY LANGUAGE BOMBSHELL!!Casey Anthony Attorney Andrea Lyons Shows Fear Casey Will Be Sentenced to Death and May Believe“ Casey Killed Her Kid.”

January 9, 2010
Dr. Lillian Glass

Watching Casey Anthony’s attorney, Andrea Lyons’ body language and listening to her vocal tones, gives further credence “the body doesn’t lie and neither does the voice!”

Both her body language and her vocal tones are quite telling, as you will clearly see in this blog entry.I am going to show something about Andrea Lyon’s body language during her Today Show interview which may prove harmful to the defense.

USING HER 15 MINUTES OF FAME TO PLUG HER BOOK

But first , I must say something about why she may have appeared on the Today show. While I am all for book promotion and letting people know about your products, I think that Andrea Lyons, lead attorney for Casey Anthony, showing up on the Today Show to hawk her book just weeks before her death penalty client will go on trial for a criminal case, is not right. In fact it really rubbed me the wrong way. Timing is everything and this was definitely the wrong time in my opinion.

Read the rest:
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/09/casey-anthony-attorney-andrea-lyons%E2%80%99-body-language-on-the-today-show-shows-her-fear-that-casey-will-be-sentenced-to-death-and-that-she-may-believe-that-%E2%80%9C-casey-killed-her-kid/

does anyone have the link where i can watch the andrea lyon interview... i have just seen pictures and read the discription... and i would love to see it in its entirety...


TYIA...

randilynn wrote:does anyone have the link where i can watch the andrea lyon interview... i have just seen pictures and read the discription... and i would love to see it in its entirety...


TYIA...

Randi, there is a thread on AL's appearance on the Today Show and the video is posted there.

But in case you want to go directly to the link, here it is:
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/34746158#34746158

thanks quick draw...

i am in the midst of mass studying... so i admit, i am a little dim.. thanks for giving me the direct link...

saves my brain cells... LOL

randilynn wrote:thanks quick draw...

i am in the midst of mass studying... so i admit, i am a little dim.. thanks for giving me the direct link...

saves my brain cells... LOL

You are welcome, Randi.... we need to do everything we can to help save those brain cells for this last semester of school..... we expect straight A's again....

Meter Reader’s Ex Wife, Jill Kerley, Shows Signals of Deception When Discussing Roy Kronk Possibly Murdering Caylee Anthony

CINDY ANTHONY’S CLAIM THAT ALL THE EVIDENCE WAS NOT INVESTIGATED

When Cindy Anthony recently said on the Today show that “they did not investigate all the evidence in the case,: I assumed she was no doubt, referring to Roy Kronk, the meter reader who discovered the body of her granddaughter Caylee Anthony.

Then, I received emails from several of my wonderful and loyal readers asking to me analyze the body language of Roy Kronk’s ex wife, Jill Kerley, who stated that ” he probably was the one who killed Caylee Anthony.”

CAYLEE FINDER, METER READER ROY KRONK’S BODY LANGUAGE



Before I share my thoughts and observations, I want to say that as soon as Roy Kronk came forward and appeared publically, I scrutinized his body language and communication patterns. I I did not find any “tells” indicated deception or that he was not telling the truth.

He appeared direct and forthright in his body language as there was a fluidity in his movements with no hesitation in his voice. What he said matched how he moved and comported himself. He appeared genuine to me as he discussed his finding Caylee’s body.

THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT THE BODY WAS FOUND!

Having said that, I will say that there are indeed some unanswered questions as to how he discovered the body, as Kronk called 911 three times, saying he saw something suspicious in the woods off Suburban Drive.

It makes me wonder if

a. he didn’t possibly know someone who may have overheard Casey talking about where she put the body.

b.Perhaps he played detective on his own and went into the woods with the intention of discovering the body, or

c. what seems to me to be the most likely scenario, was that maybe he had to relieve himself and went into the woods and found a body there. But the bottom line is that he did find the body! If he had something to do with Caylee;s murder, chances are he would NOT have wanted the bOdy to be found!

ALLEGED BODY LANGUAGE WHEN CASEY FIRST HEARD CAYLEE’S BODY WAS FOUND

The other thing that points fingers to Casey rather than to Kronk was how Casey allegedly reacted when she was sitting in the infirmary and heard on television that Caylee’s body had been found.

According to those who witnessed her reaction, she apparently doubled over as though she had cramps. She was BUSTED and she knew it, so her autonomic nervous system took over! Apparently she wasn’t upset that her daughter was dead, she was upset that she got caught.

TESTIMONY FROM ANY “EX”

If any of us were asked about an “ex” boyfriend, girlfriend, or spouse who did us wrong, most of us definitely would not have anything nice to say about them as we would recall every flaw they possibly had. Likewise, if the relationship ended badly, they may not have anything positive to say about us. So from that standpoint, analyzing what anyone says about an “ex,” one always has to be cautious.

That is why it is so important to look at body language and voice and speech patterns to see if indeed they match up. In Jill Kerley’s case they do not match up.

JILL KERLEY’S “TELLS’ OF DECEPTION

I initially looked at Jill Kerley’s tapes when they first became public back in September. In examining the tapes of Kronk’s ex wife, to whom he had been married to for only four months, I immediately observed a very bitter, angry and disgruntled appearing woman, still bearing the scars from a no doubt, Toxic ex husband.

I later leaned that Ms. Kerely was suffering from teminal cancer. While I felt sorry for her and her having to deal with her condition, it had no effect on my analysis of her specific body language “tells” as they related to her ex husband.

“TELLS” INDICATED KERLEY MAY NOT BELIEVE HER OWN ACCUSATIONS TOWARDS KRONK

Some of these “tells” included a lot of looking away to the side, lip pursing, shoulder shrugs, and hyper articulated speech with too much pause time when asked pertinent questions, as well as closing her eyes (not wanting to see the truth) when asked when asked pertinent questions. All of this made me question whether Ms. Kerley was telling the truth about Ray Kronk and whether or not she really believed her very serious allegations she was making about him.

The two most important statements which she made clearly show the deception signals to me. This make me think that she most likely did not believe what she was saying about Kronk or that she was not telling the whole truth.



When she says “He duct taped my hands one time, “ she looks way off to the side so that you can see her sclera (the whites of her eyes) as she purses her lips (holding back). These are clear signals of deception.

Even if he did duct tape his ex wife’s hands, the person who duct taped Caylee didn’t duct tape her hands but rather he mouth and nose. Most killers don’t just use the same material, (duct tape) they often use the same ritual for their killing. So had Kerely said Kronk duct taped her mouth and nose, there might have been more cause for concern. But the fact that he used duct tape on he hands means nothing to me.

Then when she says” he probably was the one who had murdered Casey”, said in a halting hesitation in a slow hyper articulated speech pattern in contrast to a more rapid rate of speech pattern when she discussed other things , it spoke volumes to me. There was also a slight head movement as she spoke these words. It was a red flag that said that said to me that she was probably not telling the truth when she said that. She probably did not believe what she was saying about Roy at all. It seemed to be like her final attempt to finally get back at him for all the grief he apparently caused her during their short but tumultuous Toxic relationship.

After hearing her say these words, it seemed like an obvious attempt by Casey’s legal team to involve Kerley ( a sympathetic cancer suffering woman who is in essence making a deathbed confession) so they could point a finger at Kronk and deflect attention away from Casey and create reasonable doubt.

CASEY’S ATTORNEY LINDA KENNY BADEN’S BODY LANGUAGE INDCATED SHE DIDN’T REALLY SEEM TO BUY KERLEY’S STATEMENTS

When I heard veteran attorney, Linda Kenny Baden a member of Casey’s defense team referring to Kerely’s
accusations about Roy Kronk on the Today Show, I observed via her body language and verbal ”tells” that even she, didn’t believe what Ms. Kerely was saying.

While the attorney said the right words in her attempt to defend Casey, her body language screamed that she was clearly not buying it. Her lip licks, eye gaze, lack of hand movement, shoulder shrugs and numerous other “tells” while making pertinent statements said it all.

Once again, it validated my thoughts that Jose Baez’s team was really doing whatever they could to cast reasonable doubt . But it wasn’t working- at least from my standpoint.

BRINGING IN YET ANOTHER “EX” WIFE OF KRONK’s TO CAST REASONABLE DOUBT.



To further insure their position in casting reasonable doubt and taking the attention off of Casey, the defense team interviewed yet another ex spouse of Roy Kronk’s- Crystal Sparks. During her interview, Sparks also spoke about alleged abuse from Kronk and his “laziness.”

She also said “He made threats. He made constant threats against me,” “It was not uncommon for him to say ‘I should have killed you when I had the chance.’ I heard that all the time.”

Once again, just because one threatens a spouse in the heat of anger, does not mean they would kill a child. While there is motive in killing the spouse- enough anger at what went on in the relationship to destroy the spouse, that wouldn’t necessarily translate into motive for killing an innocent little girl with whom he did not have a long term or intimate relationship.

Then Sparks said “Roy is not heard from. Roy is not seen. Roy is just non-existent in our lives, which is great for us.”

Then disgruntled ex, Crystal Sparks seems to contradict herself about Roy as she said that Kronk told her son two weeks before Thanksgiving, that he was going to be a hero and on TV. She reported that her son said “‘I know where Caylee is and I’m going to go get her,’

My question is that if he was so nonexistent in their lives, how did he suddenly become so existent two weeks before Thanksgiving ,all these years later. Besides, this is heresy. Crystal said her son said Kronk said this. I would like to hear this directly from the son’s mouth as I watch his body language before I would believe this allegation.

Then Sparks made the allegation that he was inappropriate with young girls. There is even an interview the defense made with the daughter of Sparks who claims Kronk was inappropriate with her when she was a young girl as he watched her dress etc. To that I say, even if he was inappropriate with young girls, that is quite a leap from oogling them or leering at them to creating violence with them- duct taping their mouths and killing them.

No doubt, this is yet another attempt on the defenses part to make Kronk look bad in the court of public opinion and in the eyes of a jury to take the oneness off of Casey and point the finger at Kronk, thereby creating reasonable doubt.

So what if Kronk is lazy and has a drinking problem, is an absentee father, was inappropriate with young girls, and has had a history of abusing women- especially ex wives. That doesn’t necessarily translate into a history of abusing and killing children. He may have issues with grown women and not little girls.

ALL FINGERS POINT BACK TO CASEY

No matter what one says about Roy Kronk and any circumstantial evidence there may be, to me all fingers point back to Casey. After all:
a. Casey was the mother of the child who did NOT report her child missing for 31 days
b. Casey lead law enforcement on a wild goose chase
c. Casey lied about her work
d.Casey was out partying while her daughter was missing
e. Casey has yet to identify or find Zanny the Nanny
Even if she and her defense team stick to the cockamamie story that Zaniada Gonzalez threatened her if she talked to police and that is why she didn’t report Cayle missing, who is Zanny the Nanny and why hasn’t she been found yet? And finally,
f. Casey’s circumstances in which she took Caylee out of the home after having a fight with Cindy.

This fight, I might add may be the reason why Cindy is so intent on defending Caylee. It may be due to her guilt at throwing Casey out of the house for her bad behavior and Casey taking Caylee with her and no doubt killing her to get back at Cindy. That seems like a motive to me. It also seems like motive to bounty hunter Leonard Padilla who initially bailed Casey out of jail and who also saw the whole family up close and personal.

It is clear to me that Kronk is being made the escape goat for the Casey Anthony defense team. From witness, he has now become a victim in this whole tragic mess.

The bottom line is that he found the remains and thankfully the judge will not allow Baez and his legal cohorts to bring in Kronk’s past, point the finger at him and put him on trial when all fingers needs to be pointed at the real culprit- Casey Anthony.

CINDY AND GEORGE ANTHONY SHOULD BE GRATEFUL TO KRONK FOR ALLOWING THEM TO HAVE CLOSURE REGARDING CAYLEE

Instead of pointing the finger and questioning Kronk, Cindy and George Anthony need to be grateful to him for finding he remains of their beloved granddaughter.

In doing so, Konk has allowed them to have the closure they desperately needed so that they could know their granddaughter was no longer alive and so that they could bury her and grieve her properly.

Cindy, the most vocal of the two needs to put her focus on the “real killer” and not pull at straws. As egregious as it is to her, Cindy needs to come to grips that the “real killer” may no doubt be her own daughter.

She needs to deal with her own guilt in terms of what she has allowed Casey to get away with all these years and her own guilt on the night she threw Casey out of the house which precipitated all of this. She needs to know that it was not her fault what Casey did after she was kicked out of the house.



As much as I have found Cindy’s behavior to be obnoxious in the past, I do understand that it no doubt comes from guilt and fear. I only hope for her sake that as this trial progresses, she is under the care of a licensed psychotherapist who can help guide her through the emotional roller coaster that is yet to come.

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Here is another great Dr. Glass body language article about yesterday:
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/casey-anthony%E2%80%99s-body-language-in-court-reflects-phony-non-tears-fake-sniffles-and-an-empty-apology/

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This is the article to which kh posted the link above:

Casey Anthony’s Body Language in Court Reflects Phony Non- Tears, Fake Sniffles, and An Empty Apology

January 26, 2010
Dr. Lillian Glass



CASEY’S ENTRANCE

Casey Anthony entered the courtroom with a nauseating smirk. The smirk and smile did not leave this sociopath’s face as she looked “excited” to have all the attention focus on her. She was wide-eyed and consistently maintained her smile, as she finally said to Andrea Lyons “I’m excited.”

Even though the sound wasn’t up for anyone to hear, my Utley lip-reading skills that I learned about as an undergraduate speech pathology major, back in the day, stood me well.

I was able to read Casey’s lips as she mouthed those words, as she smiled all the while. At first, I didn’t believe that I actually read those words on her lips, so I rewound the video. Low and behold, my eyes were not playing tricks on me after all. She definitely spoke those words. I was even more nauseated and disgusted by Casey Anthony then ever before.

EXCITED ???????EXCITED ABOUT WHAT???

Was Casey EXCITED by the fact :

1. that she stole money from her best friend and ran up her bills and was now on trial for doing that ?

that she is now a full fledged felon????

that she is the center of attention?

that she had some lines to memorize, courtesy of “screenwriters” Andrea Lyon and Jose Baez and didn’t want to flub those well rehearsed lines during her verbal acting debut in court.

that she had her lines down pat and was excited to recite them in court???

All of the above ???

VOCAL “TELL”S OF DECEPTION

When anyone is not being forthright or sincere, you can hear it in their voice.

One of the main “tells” is that pitch of their voice raised, It goes up an octave or two like you just heard in this video when Casey spoke.

Her high-pitched voice was a far “cry” (we’ll get to the crying bit in a moment)) from the lower tones we all heard while she was sending officers on that infamous wild goose chase and when she was telling them about the fictious” Zanny the Nanny.”

Next, when someone is not being sincere or forthright, you hear the voice closing off and cracking. It is the vocal muscles way of shutting itself off from the obvious lie.

THE BODY’S GIVEAWAY COMPLETE WITH UNCONTROLLED HEAD JERK AND GULP


In Casey’s case, you even see this visually. As she speaks a few words, out of the blue, her head jerks itself back.

In essence it is her body’s visceral reaction to her lies and rehearsed lines and insincerity. You even see her gulp. Her vocal muscles are betraying her and staring to close off as she recites her ”bullshit” (sorry, if I offended anyone by saying “bullshit” but that is the only word that best describes what was going on here.)

When she says “I take full and complete responsibility” with her raised eyebrows it is a clear signal of deception and a clear indication that she is saying something she does not believe at all.



When Casey says “I’d like to sincerely apologize to Amy, and wipes away a non tear on her cheek you can see right then and there it is a fake apology. There was no tear so why was she flicking away a tear before one emerge?

It was because of what came next. Her following rehearsed line was “I wish I would have been a better friend.” Puhleeeeeeez. Then we see more fake non tears and the book hooing it. The cracking of the voice when she says this shows how the body is closing off as it doesn’t want to speak those lying words.

Casey was only a friend to Casey. Casey only thought about Casey. The only friend Casey could have is a friend she could use, manipulate and of whom she could take complete advantage.

One more thing, you see a lot of upper chest breathing in this non apology Casey made This is the body working overtime and trying to oxygenate itself. She is” excited” at having to perform and this is her body’s way of trying to maintain a homeostatic balance in the body. It is also an indication that she was clearly not being sincere in what she was saying.

INSINCERE TONE AND FACIAL TELLS

There was no sincerity to her apology as indicated by her voice tone. It sounded like she was asking a question with her upward inflection. Her raised eyebrows indicated that it was new information that her body was processing.

It was foreign to her system and as a result her body language reacted in a questioning manner, complete with raised eyebrows and upward inflection. Her body and her system was not used to this foreign experience of apologizing or taking responsibility for anything. This was no doubt the first time she ever did anything like that and it clearly showed in her body language.

JOSE BAEZ LOOKS ON LIKE A PROUD PAPPA AS HE MAKES SURE SHE DOESN’T FLUB HER LINES

As Casey was reciting her lines of bullshit, Jose Baez’s eyes did not leave Casey’s face. He looked like a proud papa at a grade school play, making sure that his kid didn’t flub her lines. Casey may have memorized her lines and not flubbed them verbally, but she sure flubbed them vocally and body language wise.

LIP PURSING AT THE END OF HER BS REHEARSED SPEECH



Whenever you see someone purse their lips after they tell you something, they are usually lying. It’s the body’s way of closing off. That is what Casey did. She pursed her lips after her rehearsed lines.

CASEY’S “ SIX STEP BOO HOO RITIUAL” COMPLETE WITH NON TEARS, NON MUCOUS, FAKE AUDIBLE SNIFFLES, AND HAIR TOUCHING

If listening to Casey’s fake apology wasn’t bad enough, it was even worse having to endure looking at her obsessive ritualistic behavior in the courtroom with regard to her boo hooing it. Here is what she does:

1 She wipes away non tears either with her finger or with a kleenex

2. There is no facial distress often associated with tears.

3. Then she looks at her finger or her kleenex for non- liquid that comes out of her non- tears.

4. Then she sniffles audibly so that everyone can hear her.

5. Then she dabs the non- mucous and non- liquid from her nose where she makes her fake sniffle noises

6. Then she touches her hair, pats it or flips it.

She repeats this ritual ad nauseum.

JOSE IS SOOOO OVER CASEY’S FAKE TEARS HE IGNORES HER, BUT ANDREA PLAYS MAMMA HEN

As soon as Casey sat down after her rehearsed bullshit apology, Andrea Lyons acted like the mother hen as she put her arm around Casey. Casey ignored Andrea’s nurturing and maternal attempts as Casey began her Six Step Boo Hoo Ritual complete with non tear wiping and tissue examining.


My Utley Lip Reading Skills were used once again as Andrea mouths the words to Casey asking her is she was OK? Casey ignores Andrea and continues her ritual, Andrea asks her again and Casey is way too busy with her ritual to answer. She finally nods her head as if to indicate she is OK after her rehearsed “apology” debut.

Casey’s non- answer speaks volumes. It shows how very much into herself she is and how self- absorbed she is.



Meanwhile Jose could care less. He’s seen it all before. He’s heard it all before. He’s hip to the fake tears and fake sniffles. He doesn’t even look at her.

At first he used to be very attentive to Casey—maybe too attentive! Now he would never think of comforting her let alone touching her. That’s the last think he needs to deal with in regard to this Casey Case.



There was a point where Jose has his hand on his forehead as if to nonverbally say” how did I get myself into this mess representing this sociopath next to me with her fake tears. I wish she’d stop already. I told her to show some emotion but this is ridiculous already!”

Then Jose’s hand leaves his forehead and his hands now appear on his desk in a lawyerly stance. He back to the reality of defending this miscreant and probably thinking “What the heck, it’s been good PR for my career. I’ve got to do everything possible to defend her because everyone in the world is watching me”

CASEY’S ICE FACE



Halfway through the tape around 13.00 you see the real Casey Anthony up close and personal. You see what I call her ICE FACE. There is no reaction. It is scary to look at. It is devoid of emotion. It is for lack of a better word”creepy.” Her ice face reflects what is really going on inside of her- nothing!

There is no reaction except for some grooming behaviors where she pats her hair or straightens her collar.These grooming behaviors reflect her narcissism and wanting to look good to others- something sociopaths often do.

CINDY ANYTHONY’S TEAR WIPING AND LOOKING AT HER OWN HANKIE

The apple does not fall from the tree. Cindy Anthony does the same thing Casey does, except her tears are probably a bit more real than Casey’s. They may be tears of guilt for letting her sociopathic daughter run her all these years and stear from her and her own mother (Casey’s grandmother) not putting a stop to Casey’s aberrant behaviors.

They may be tears of reality that her daughter is now a convicted felon and that this little court date will be a piece of cake compared with what is in store in the murder trial.

The bottom line is that no matter what kind of tears Cindy had, she too examined them just like Casey does.

GEORGE DOESN’T RESPOND TO CINDY’S I LOVE YOU” IN THE COURTROOM

George looked like a miserable mess with puffy eyes so you know his tears were for real.

My Ultey Lipreading Skills came into use once again as Cindy as she mouthed the words to her husband George- “I love you.” He didn’t respond. He didn’t say I love you too or I love you back, He said nothing and looked ahead.

JOSE BAEZ’ BODY LANGUAGE LEAKED THAT HE DIDN’T BELIEVE CASEY WAS TAKING RESPONSIBILITY FOR HER ACTIONS

Watching and hearing Casey speak and watching her fake boo hoos in the courtroom and her ritualistic behavior were both sickening and maddening.



It was maddening to see the obvious manipulation by the attorneys in making her apologize to Amy for not being a better friend. Puhleeze!

What was even more maddening was when Jose Baez (whom I must admit does look rather dapper and handsome and does try to maintain his professional composure through his well spoken sonorous voice) spoke to reporters outside the courtroom. He continued his manipulation as the cameras were pointed at him. But no matter how clever or convincing he thought he was being, he clearly leaked out his true thoughts and feelings the end.

As his final words said that Casey’s apology showed that she was taking responsibility for her actions, his head shook ‘NO” when it should have been nodding “YES ” in the affirmative. So Jose’s body language betrayed him. It revealed that he knows very well that sociopaths NEVER take responsibility for their actions.

He knows very well that he put those words of apology in her mouth for her to regurgitate.

While Casey may have regurgitated his words, no matter how many times she rehearsed them, her body language and voice spoke the truth! Her apology was insincere and contrived!

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/casey-anthony%E2%80%99s-body-language-in-court-reflects-phony-non-tears-fake-sniffles-and-an-empty-apology/

I really liked her assessment of Casey, and everyone else.

I'll drink to that!!!

i LOVE reading these body language assessments.. it became a HUGE interest to me back in my psychology major days... and this woman is always spot on with what i see in all these indigents.

Here's a new link, dealing with Casey's voice/lying.

http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/

Casey Anthony’s Voice and Speech Tells In and Out of the Courtroom- Vocal Frying and Lying

January 31, 2010
Dr. Lillian Glass

As someone who is engaged in doing vocal forensics for legal cases, I am always amazed at how much we can learn about a person based on the sound and tone of their voice, not to mention their speech patterns and its content.

When a person lies, the voice can give a lot away. Vocal tells are not always consistent in lying. Sometimes the pitch of a person’s voice may rise as it did last week, when Casey Anthony gave her lame apology in front of the courtroom.

Other times, the voice may sound lower because the vocal cords tend to close off and emit what is known as a “vocal fry” or a “glottal fry” which sounds like a creaking tone.

Since respiration is affected when someone lies, it is often difficult for liars to adequately coordinate their respiration with their phonation. The fry is also nature’s way of wanting to close off the vocal cords so the person won’t engage in lying. There is a lot of strain on the vocal muscles when the voice closes off, so you often hear Casey clear her throat. That is another tell to let you know what is taking place.

CASEY’S VOCAL FRYS ON HER INTERROGATION TAPES

If you go back and listen to Casey Anthony’s interrogation audiotapes, with Detective Uri Melich, you will hear Casey’s lower pitch and a lot of vocal frying and creaking tones. This was very evident when Detective Melich talks to Casey Anthony about when Caylee went missing, how she met Zenaida Gonzalez,what happened the day Caylee disappeared, who she talked to about Caylee missing, how she tried to find Zenaida. and why she did not alert them earlier.

All of that frying clearly means she is lying!

OTHER SPEECH PATTERN TELLS ON THE INTERROGATION TAPES

In listening to these interrogation tapes you will hear that Casey gives WAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION, and provides convoluted stories like she did about Zanida’s mother and how Zenaida changed her number so much. That is a HUGE tell that someone lies.

TOO MUCH PAUSE TIME TO ANSWER QUESTION Like when Melich asked her about Zanaida’s mother or asked her about the phone numbers of various people. The extended pause time was used for Casey to no doubt concoct her false stories.

MONOTONE and lack of inflection pattern in the voice is often a key to deception as is rapid fire answers to questions.

VOCAL TELLS IN THE COURTROOM

UPWARD INFLECTION

When someone uses upward inflection at the end of sentences, it sounds as though they are asking a question as opposed to making a statement. This upward inflection that Casey used in the courtroom last week, was in stark contrast to the downward frying inflection she used when she was interrogated.

What this means was that Casey was not being sincere and definite in her apology. Instead, it was tentative, phony, and insincere . It was tentative because Casey is no doubt, not used to asking for forgiveness or admitting fault for anything.

This is a young lady who has gotten away with everything her entire life. She was enabled as he family always seemed to look the other way and have their heads buried in the sand when it came to Casey. It sounded like she was asking a question with her upward inflection. Her raised eyebrows that went along with her tentative upward inflection reflected that what she was doing and saying in terms of apologizing it was new and foreign information that her body was processing.

THE RAISED PITCH LEVEL IN THE COURT

In the case of Casey Anthony, her higher pitched of her voice indicated a lot of tension in her vocal apparatus. When people are not being truthful or are insincere or nervous, we may oftentimes hear a sudden rise in pitch as we did with Casey. She knew deep down she didn’t believe those words one bit.

VOCAL FRYING IN THE COURT

There were many vocal frys and cracking of the voice as Casey spoke, indicating deception and insincerity. This was especially evident when she said how she wished she would have been a better friend to Amy.

If and when Casey does take the stand during her murder trial, it will be very interesting to read her vocal and speech tells. No doubt we will her more of the same patterns of deception that she exhibited when she a interrogated and when she was insincerely apologizing.

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It's amazing how our body can betray us as we attempt to betray others.

Casey Anthony’s” All Smiles” Body Language Shows She’s Feeling Confident With New Lawyer Cheney Mason on Team While Jose Baez ‘s Body Language Shows Some Distancing

Sunday, March 21st, 2010

Casey Anthony’s body language was all smiles as she walked into the courtroom and she continued to smile. You could tell she was pretty excited to be in the courtroom as she was taking a lot of deep upper chest breaths are indicative of excitement.

So why is this woman, who is going to be on trial for murdering her daughter smiling and breathing so heavily with excitement ? It is because she is feeling very confident now that a new attorney has been added to her defense team.

CASEY’S NEW ATTORNEY CHENEY MASON HAS BOOSTED HER EGO AND HOPES

Cheney Mason, a long-time Orlando defense attorney, has joined Casey’s defense team and told the court that he would defend Casey at no charge. He then made the following statement to WESH 2 News ,”This case is going to be fun to try, and we’ll walk out of here with Casey in arm.”

With that kind of rhetoric, he no doubt has boosted up his client Casey’s confidence and ego regarding the case, by assuring her that she will be able to walk out a free woman.

My view is that the only way Casey will walk out a free woman is in her dreams. Mr. Mason must think he is the fictions Perry Mason of the popular television series back in the day , who never lost a case.

Cheney Mason is no Perry Mason and he will definitely lose the case in my opinion. When Casey “walks out in arm” it will be on the arm of marshalls who will be escorting her to prison for life or do be executed for her crime.

CASEY RUBS HER HANDS TOGETHER WITH GLEE

Casey continued to smile her smug Cheshire cat grin as though she knows something no one else knows, as she rubbed the palms of her hands together rapidly. This is what one does when they are excited or they are anticipating something good to happen.Obviously she has bought into Mason’s false prophecy that she may soon soon be a free woman.

She is also no doubt happy and confident about the fact that they will find her to be indigent so she can get a free ride as she has done her entire life.

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River Cruz Reaches Out to Dr. Lillian Glass To Thank Her For Exposing Her Credibility Through Voice and Body Language Analysis

Friday, March 26th, 2010 at 11:17 pm

WHY I AM SHARING THIS

I debated whether or not to release the information I am about to share with you in this blog. I decided to do so because I believe that it is essential that the public should know everything related to the Casey Anthony Case and anyone that has any association with it.

George Anthony’s alleged mistress, River Cruise called me up two days ago to thank me for writing the blog I did where I discussed how her body language and her voice and speech content appeared to credible to me.

Because I am not River Cruz’ licensed therapist, psychologist, psychiatrist, or any one else’s for that matter, and have never met or treated River, I am not bound by any confidentiality. So there is no issue here.

But as a voice and body language expert and a media personality, I am bound by the truth. I have no special interest or agenda as to why I support her statement, other than to state that based on my years of experience as a body language , voice and speech analyst, it seems to me that she was and is telling the truth. The circumstances of how she revealed the information also adds to her credibility in my view. She didn’t seek it out. Instead, she was sought out by law enforcement, so she felt compelled to come forward with all that she allegedly knew.

I also wanted to let the public know about the devastating effects of what can happen when people are suddenly thrust into the limelight unprepared and having to fend for themselves. Listening to and reading all of the hostile feedback can be devastating as River discovered and wrote on her twitter page.

A PHONE CALL TO ME FROM RIVER CRUZ

Last Wednesday, I received a phone call in my Beverly Hills office from River Cruise. We spoke at length and she thanked me sincerely for being the only one in the media for coming to her defense in believing that she was telling the truth about George Anthony, who allegedly said to her that Caylee’s death was an” accident”.

A few days earlier, I had written a comprehensive blog based on River’s interview which she had done in the press. I stated that in my view, as a body language and communication expert, River was definitely telling the truth and was not lying when she discussed what George Anthony has told her.

In analyzing her interview, I saw no signals of deception. Furthermore, I saw a woman who was reluctant to come forward until she was forced to so by law enforcement. I saw a woman who did not welcome the media attention and who was not out to make a quick buck off of the Caylee Anthony tragedy. These factors also added to her credibility.

My phone conversation with River validated that she was indeed credible and had nothing to hide. I found her to be a very warm and sensitive person who was in a lot of pain over the public’s skepticism.

HOW THE MEDIA ATTENTION AFFECTED RIVER

During our conversation, River revealed how difficult all of this media attention has been for her in terms of no one believing her and the public’s being very harsh on her over the internet.

She even mentioned that people in her community were particularly mean to her and pointing the finger at her and how her child was even affected by all of this in school.

She felt embarrassed and ashamed that she every got involved with George and felt very bad about it.

RIVER NOT WANTING TO LIVE

She then mentioned to me that she didn’t want to live and began to cry. I told her that she had a lot to live for and that the truth would prevail. I also told her that she did a wonderful thing by coming forward because she presented information that may be very important in terms of seeking justice for Caylee.

I also told her that she had a lot to live for because of the people that loved her like her sister and her children and the rest of her family.

I asked her if I needed to call her sister and let her know she had these thoughts of not wanting to live she said no. I asked her if she had someone there so she wouldn’t be alone. I encouraged her to contact her sister.

I asked her if she was serious about not wanting to live and she assured me that she was not going to do anything to harm herself or to take her life. Based on the tone of her voice which she exhibited at that particular time, I believed that she did not appear to be in imminent danger at that moment.

She then shared how terribly difficult this has been with people making horrible comments about her over the internet and being so mean to her. She was upset that people accused her of lying when she was being honest.

I encouraged her to not take these comments to heart because these people didn’t know what they were talking about and that she knew the truth and that is all that counted.

ENCOURAGING RIVER TO GET PROFESSIONAL HELP

I then told her that she did not have to suffer through this alone and I strongly suggested that she see a professional – a therapist to help her during these very difficult emotional times.

She told me that she didn’t want to do so because the attorneys might use it against her to destroy her credibility.

I told her that she was more important than what any lawyer thought and that she must definitely get some help. I told her that she didn’t have to suffer in silence and that there were people who could give her some help and provide emotional relief.

I also asked her if there was a church nearby and she mentioned that there was one. I suggested that she contact the minister immediately as he could offer her some immediate emotional support. She said she would look into it.

To reassure her that she was not alone, I told her that appeared to me like a warm and wonderful person and had a lot to live for and encouraged her to not read these nasty internet comments from “haters” or take them to heart because they don’t know what they are talking about. After all, they didn’t know what she allegedly knew.

TALKING ABOUT GEORGE

River opened up to me about what she shared with the press and reiterated what George had told her about Caylee’s death being an”accident”. Apparently according to her , he knew Caylee was dead all the while. As she said this no me over the phone her voice sounded forthright and there were no signals of deception which I picked up.

I was livid when she told me this. I said to her “ If he knew Caylee was not alive all along, how dare him prey on the hearts of beautiful people out there who took their time and effort to go out and search for Caylee! He should be investigated and be held accountable for his actions if he did in fact know Caylee was alive all along!”

THE” ACCIDENT”

Maybe Casey told George it was an “accident” and George told River. Obviously George chose to believe his lying daughter. Perhaps the thought of George thinking it was an “accident” rather than Casey actually smothering her child to death and placing duct tape over her mouth and nose was easier visual for him to handle. So that is why he may have shared ridiculous “accident” story with River, in my view.

Maybe Casey held Caylee under the water in the pool for too long until she drowned. Or maybe she pushed Caylee in the pool and let her down or maybe she gave Caylee too much chloroform which put her to seep for good. In any of these scenarios, I personally fail to see any “accident.”

Perhaps convincing himself that it was an accident is George’s way of being able to live with himself and not seeing himself as some sort of freak who spawned a monster who killed his granddaughter on purpose. Since he was now in the arms of another woman, River, he wanted to look his best in her eyes.

So, he may have told her the “accident” story so that he could be viewed the “victim” who’s granddaughter who died in an “accident” as opposed to being murdered by his own daughter. Perhaps he thought that this scenario would make him seem more palatable to River Cruz.

Personally I don’t see that Caylee’s death accident. The fact that George could even think that what Casey did is an accident is completely distorted thinking in my view. No one puts duct tape over a baby’s nose and mouth and a little heart shaped sticker over it in an “accident”. But I do believe that this is what he told River –that Caylee’s death was an accident.

GERORGE’S PREVIOUS ACTIONS BEGINNING TO MAKE SENSE

To me, based on River’s comments about George , all of this now started seeming to make sense as to perhaps why George wasn’t out there “beating the bushes” and searching for Caylee like everyone else was. Most parents and grandparents would be the first ones out there searching and leaving no stone unturned.

It also started to make sense to me as to why perhaps Cindy was so awful to Tim Miller of Equisearch, who along with his army of volunteers tried his best to find Caylee and how Cindy essentially threw him out.

All of the contradictions and body language “ tells” that I observed over these years regarding George suddenly began to appear to make more sense to me in light of River’s allegation.

All of George’s overreacting and lunging towards someone in anger and wanting to hit them for merely asking George why he wasn’t searching for Caylee. Now it made sense to me why he possibly got so upset and shouted in anger that” Caylee was alive” when a protestor said Caylee was dead. Was George’s reaction like what Shakespeare referred to when he wrote in one of his plays “ me thinks thou dost protest too much”? Anyone who worked in law enforcement as George did early on would know that the longer a child is missing, the greater the possibility of their not being alive. Why would he get so upset by this reasonable comment?

CINDY’S SLIPS OF TELLING EARLY ON CAYLEE WAS NOT IN THE WOODS AND BACKTRACKING

Then River shared with me the fact that Cindy had a Freudian slip on camera on a news show where she spoke about Caylee being in the WOODS. River then emailed me the link to a video which documented this. This was at the time when the WOODS weren’t even a consideration because everyone was out searching for Caylee everywhere possible.

As I watched the video, in light of what River said about George and Cindy knowing what happened to Caylee , it appeared now make even more sense to me. There as Cindy talking about WOODS when people were just searching for Caylee and wondering where she was. Then Cindy backtracks with “uhms” and “like you know out there”.

Then I listened to the audio of Cindy leaving a massage to Sergeant Allen and saying how she was sure Casey got help ..Cindy’s voice sounded sure and definite. How could anyone in the early days of Caylee going missing sound so sure of anything, let alone getting help! Why was she so sure? Was she so sure because she may have possibly been the one helping Casey? Was she shop sure because it may have possibly been George or Lee that helped Casey? Why was her voice so definite sounding?

I raised these questions in my blog yesterday (Thursday) as I shared this new insight based on the link to the press interview that River sent me, which by the way she also said was on her twitter account as well.

RIVER GIVING GEORGE MONEY

As we continued to speak River shared how she gave George money because she felt sorry for him. This made me even sicker hearing about George. Based on how he came off vocally, speech wise and body language wise as Mr Victim, Nice Guy I Want to Be Liked on his Fox 35 interview, where he seemed to wan everyone to feel sorry for him and blamed the world, I could only imagine the sob stories he told River to get her to cough up the money. Now hearing it from River’s mouth, my thoughts of George being a TOXIC MAN are confirmed.

ZANNY THE NANNY RIGHT DOWN TO THE ASIAN TATTOO


We also discussed the fact that she looked so much like the fictious Zanny the Nanny character description that Cindy and George and Casey referred to . River agreed and even said that she had an Asian tattoo like the one they described.

We even talked about her hair and I told her that one time when I was on Nancy Grace’s show, Nancy was saying how Casey kept saying that Zanny had curly hair and then she had straight hair and how it was all confusing. Then River told me how she had curly hair but usually wore it straight.

I then mentioned how descriptive Cindy had been in her deposition and was so sure Zanny was a 10 as she cut down the woman named Zanaida Gonzalez and told her she was not a 10 like the real Zanny. I River asked if she had ever met Cindy and she did and that she knew Cindy .

Then I started feeling even more nauseated as all these thoughts raced through my mind. Everything now really seemed to make a lot more sense to me.

Since George and Cindy BOTH knew River, in my view, they both obviously used her as a visual for the prototype of the fictions Zanny the Nanny. That may have been why Cindy sounded so confident and didn’t skip a beat when she described Zanny to a tee and verbally beat up the innocent Zanaida Gonzalez telling her in such a condescending tone that she was definitely not a 10 like the real Zanny.
I told River that she did the right thing in telling all that she knew because it seemed to me in my opinion that she may have very well saved her own life, which she agreed.

FINAL WORDS

I assured River that she was not alone and there were people out there like me who did believe her and not to worry about the naysayers. I told her to stop reading the nasty comments over the internet . I also made her promise me that she would seek out some professional help and at the least call the minister. I told her that she was free to call me anytime.

POSTING OF MY BLOG AND POSTIVE COMMENTS

The next day, I posted my blog about looking at George and Cindy’s past behavior in light of what was revealed by River. The feedback I received from those who read my blog was extremely supportive of River.

MY REACHING OUT TO RIVER

Because I knew how upset River was by people’s negative comments, the day before, I called her up to reassure her and to give her some positive feedback. I wanted to let her know that there were people out there who were indeed supportive towards her. I wanted her to read some of the positive comments on my latest blog post so that she could feel reassured that she wasn’t alone.

RIVER’S SUICIDE ATTEMPT

But when I called, it wasn’t River who picked up the phone. It was Skye, her twin sister. I told Skye that I was Dr. Lillian Glass and that River had reached out to me the day before. I said that I was calling to let her know that I posted a blog where the comments about River were positive so she wouldn’t feel that the whole world was against her.

Skye informed me that it was too late because River was in the hospital and attempted suicide. I was absolutely shocked! I relayed my prayers to Skye to give to River and told her to tell River that there were a lot of people in her corner and to hang in there, which she appreciated. She said that she woulkd relay the message to River.

As soon as I got off the phone I received numerous emails from people who sent me River’s twitter message which said the following:

SUICIDE PACT!!!
I CANT TAKE THIS ANYMORE NOONE UNDERSTANDS WHAT ITS LIKE TO B CONSTENTLY CALLED A LIAR AND B TORN APART BY THE MEDIA
about 8 hours ago via web that whole family knew what happened with caylee~IM TIRED OF ALL THIS I NEVER WANTED AN OF THIS~~~SO NOW ITS TIME


Another person sent me the following messge

“ Dr.Glass you need to contact this woman personally ..she has said somethings regarding suicide..she seems to be exrtremely depressed about all the negative comments being said about her, and the shame she feels for getting involved with geo . I think river could benefit grealty from hearing from you”.

I was so upset the entire night that I could barely sleep. I wished River would have called me. I wished we would have spoken before she made a suicide attempt. Thank God the suicide attempt didn’t work.

THE NEXT DAY

I called River’s phone number the next day morning and her sister Skye answered. She told me that had has visited her sister in the hospital and said she may be released. I then relayed my prayers and good wishes to both Skye and to her sister River.

In addition I emailed River and wrote her what I initially wanted to share with her in the phone a day earlier. about how people were supportive of her and in her corner. In my email I encouraged her to hang in there and not pay attention to the negativity and to the haters out there.

MY PRAYERS AND SUPPORT FOR RIVER

River had nothing to gain by coming forth. In fact she chose to take this information to her grave. It was only when law enforcement contacted her that she reveal the information she was told by George.

She has not been gallivanting around in the press since she gave that initial interview, which is further indication that she isn’t out to make a quick buck off of Caylee’s death. After my conversation with her I found her to be a very lovely and sensitive woman and I am even more convinced that she was telling the truth.

I continue to pray for River. Maybe this suicide attempt is a blessing in disguise. Maybe it afforded her the help she desperately needed including possible medication to help her cope with this trying situation. www.drlillianglass.com

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Did George’s Defensive Body Language and Cindy’s WOODS Comment Early On
Indicate That They May Have Known Caylee Was Already Dead When People
Searched For Her?

March 25th, 2010



If what River Cruz says is true and truly I believe it is, then George and Cindy may have wasted our precious time, our prayers, and thegood will of humanity.

If what River Cruz says is true, then I believe Cindy and George should be punished to the full extent of the law and serve a prison term along with their daughter.

Lets go back and look at George and Cindy’s behavior and body language, vocal, and speech patterns while Caylee was allegedly missing.

DID GEORGE LASH OUT EARLY ON BECAUSE A PROTESTER GOT TOO CLOSE TO THE TRUTH?



During the time when people were searching for Caylee, George got violent and was ready to hit a protester who merely asked George why he wasn’t out searching for Caylee? George apparently lunged towards and tried to push the protester for merely asking a legitimate question.

Is it possible based on what we allegedly know from River, that this question got him right where it counts? Was it too much truth for him to bear? Was he not joining the search because he in fact knew his grand daughter was already dead?

There was also a time when a protester yelled out that Caylee was dead and George got overly upset saying that she as not dead, even though she as missing for over a month at the time. Being in law enforcement, George knew quite well that the longer a child is missing, the less the chances are of her being alive. Was he protesting too much because he in fact knew Casey was indeed dead?

In retrospect, was his reaction a signal of his guilt? Did he have something to hide? Did he already know Caylee was dead and didn’t want people to go down that road? Did he want to build a case that Cayleee
was alive by sending people on a wild goose chase to find her, when he may have known something different?

It seems to me that this makes more sense now that River’s information has become public.



The fact that Cindy orchestrated all of George’s movements and comments on television is also a red flag to me. We saw by her grabbing his arm and signaling him. Did Cindy not want George to say or do anything that would indicate Caylee wasn’t alive, so they their programmed verbal plan?

The fact that they would fly here and there using who knows who’s money on Caylee sightings is also sickening, especially if they did indeed know this little girl was dead all along.

I always thought it was odd when I saw the photos of the Cayalee look-alikes, that these grandparents who lived with her since day one wouldn’t immediately recognize that it wasn’t their grand-daughter.

CINDY’S SLIP IN TALKING ABOUT THE WOODS AND TELLING SERGEANT ALLEN CASEY GOT HELP



Early on Cindy was very convinced Caylee was alive and even knew where she was and where she wasn’t. She says something that now may make more sense, now that we know that Caylee was found in the WOODS.

Out of the blue Cindy says “ George and I don’t believe Caylee is in the WOODS … you know out there.” Why in the world would she be talking about THE WOODS of all things during those early days? Her “you know” is an attempt to backtrack, verbally. Why would ANYONE suspect Caylee was in the WOODS when people were looking everywhere for Caylee? Did Cindy know when she gave that interview that Caylee was already dead in the WOODS?



The above statement Cindy made is also peculiar as was her looking up and to the right and left- signals of deception. How does she know they are getting close ? Is this more of her BS because she mayhave known
Caylee wasn’t alive at that point?

During that time Cindy made a call to Sargent Allen and left a voice mail where she said “ Casey had to have had help no matter what you think the scenario might be.”

Cindy’s voice quality reflected that she was very sure that Casey got some help. Was she the one who was helping Casey? Was it George or Lee? How was Cindy so sure Casey got some help?

WHY I BELIEVE RIVER IS TELLING THE TRUTH



River Cruz coming forward and revealing what she did, albeit reluctantly, may have possibly uncovered real truth in The Anthony saga. It may have possibly even saved her from “ being thrown under the bus” or “sold down the river” by George and Cindy.

I say Thank goodness River Cruz’, George Anthony’s alleged mistress’ information is now on record stating that George told her Caylee’s death was an accident gone awry.

WHAT WAS THAT ALLEGED ACCIDENT?

I wonder if that” accident” was Casey giving Caylee too much chloroform when she put her to sleep in her trunk and Caylee never waking up. I wonder if that “accident” was Casey putting duct tape over Caylee’s mouth to stop her from crying or getting on her nerves and then putting it over Caylee’s nose as well until she stopped breathing. In any event, the fact that George would think any of these egregious acts was an “accident” speaks volumes about him.

Anyone who doesn’t believe River Cruz is grossly mistaken in my view. My body language and voice analysis of her shows no signals of deception in her spontaneous unplanned interview. Since she had no time to prepare or formulate her answer, her behaviors were raw and genuine.

SO WHAT IF SHE HAS AN ALLEGED ARREST RECORD! IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HER TRUTHFULLNESS IN THIS SITUATION!

To anyone that tries to impeach her by saying she has an arrest record and used another name and that River Cruz is her alias, I say “So what”? It has absolutely NOTHING to do with her communication with
George. The Anthony’s attorney Brad Conway has mentioned these things in the press as an attempt to punch holes in her credibility.

Bounty Hunter Leonard Padialla says he doesn’t believe River either, but he doesn’t know for sure as it is just speculation on his part.

Keep in mind that when a person voluntarily comes forward they may have another agenda like their 15 minutes of fame and getting that fame whether they tell the truth or not. But in Rivers case she did NOT want to come forward. She was forced forward by law enforcement and to me that is a big part of the truth equation,

Also both Leonard and Brad Conway were not privy to George and River’s bedroom talk!

Brad wasn’t there between the sheets with River and George and neither was Leonard, so they would never know for sure. Intimate talk happens when all of your defenses are down and when you usually naked. So that is another reason I believe River.

HER PAST HAS NOTHING TO SO WITH HER PRESENT

Also if someone gets arrested for let’s say a DUI or a doing something stupid when they were younger like shop lifting that doesn’t necessarily make them a liar. That doesn’t impede their credibility in my view. A liar is someone who is constantly caught in lies over and over again like Casey Anthony.

LOTS OF PEOPLE CHANGE THEIR NAME

As far as her name change, lots of people change their name when they become adults for a variety of reasons. Look at Hollywood actors and actresses. Along with their head shots comes a change of name for many as they head into show business.

Not that River is in show business, but I wanted to point out that people do in fact change their names for a number of reasons. Psychologically it may be that someone wants a new start in life so it is a symbolic reason they may change their name- legally or not.

GEORGE MAY HAVE SOLD RIVER A BILL OF GOODS REGARDING THEIR RELATIONSHIP

And for those of you who point the finger at River because she had an affair with a married man, remember that SHE was single. HE was married, not her. So if you are going to point the finger, point it at George before you point it at River.

We don’t know what bill of goods George sold River. We don’t know if he told her he would leave Cindy or even marry River or at least be with her for the long term. I suspect that may have been the case. She
definitely, in my opinion, was told something about their relationship having a long future, otherwise she would have NEVER forked over 5K to him. Women ususally do this when they think there will be a future with a man. They don’t often fork over money to any man with whom they think they won’t haver a future.

George was exceptionally needy from what we have seen. So he may have pursued River with vengeance and promised her things he knew he had no intention of delivering, just to get some TLC and some loving. I wouldn’t put it past him after seeing his Fox 35 interview where he portrays himself as the perennial victim.

Since River is so adamant about not being in the public and seems like a reasonably intelligent woman, so I doubt that she would have pursued a man with such high visibility. So that is what leads me to be
believe that he was no doubt the pursuer.

Many women especially real nurturing types of women, will open their hearts an pocketbooks to men they think are in trouble to help them out. Unfortunately it is a HUGE mistake as River found out.

MAKING MONEY FROM AN INTERVIEW

If River was interested in making money off the case then she no doubt would have come forward by herself and not waited for law enforcement to track her down from George’s phone records. ‘

She would have been all over the media capitalizing on her association with George and her secret information.

Instead, she was reluctant to come foreward. We all saw her practically in tears as she walked away from the interview saying that she didn’t ask for this and didn’t want all this publicity. That is a HUGE signal that someone is NOT into this for the money or for the fame.

As far as the Enquirer goes and whether or not she got paid, from what we know it was her sister who may have approached them. The Enquirer like many media publications, does offer to pay for exclusive high profile stories.

In fact, for a magazine spread they did on Rachel Uchitel, OK Magazine paid a lot of money to Tiger Woods’ sex partner. Most high profile actors and actresses are paid huge sums of money by magazines for exclusive wedding or baby photos. So what is the difference here?

The Enquirer may jack up a headline or two to whet reader’s appetites. But the content of their stories are checked and fact checked for the most part. Sometimes they do fall through the cracks and when they do, they are often sued. No one wants to be tied up in litigation so they are very careful. Since this is such a high profile case, you had better believe they were careful. You can be sure they had their team of attorneys just like most magazines have, checking things over.

Also we just learned that ABC paid Casey 250 K for photos and licensing of materials. So why get upset because River or her sister may have possibly received some money for an exclusive article?

RIVER MAY HAVE SAVED HER OWN LIFE

There is another reason I am happy River came forward. She may have saved her own life. From what I understand she is a mother and she in essence saved her life for her children’s sake. How did she save her own life?

We know from Cindy’s past and ruthless behavior that she tried to throw several people under the bus to save her Casey. Look at what she tried to do to innocent Jesse Grund, Casey’s early on boyfriend, and
to his family. They tried to accuse him of being involved in Caylee’s death. Look what they did to Amy Huizinga.

Did George tell Casey about River and describe River to Casey? Did they both collude to make up a Zanny the Nanny character who looked exactly like River? Was Cindy in on it?

I found it odd in her deposition that Cindy had such a detailed description of Zanny the Nanny when she said she never saw her. In fact Cindy obnoxiously said that Zanaida was a 10 and that the Zanaida who sat in front of her was definitely not a 10. This cruel statement devastated the poor innocent young lady. How was Cindy so sure how the real Zanny the Nanny looked?

George followed suit in his description, as he described Zanny as well.

Casey said Zanny the Nanny was a Latina, had dark skin, wore her hair curly and then straight, had kids of her own, had a sister, had a mother, was about 5 foot 6, had nice teeth, had an Asian tattoo, and was a 10!

That is the exactly the description of River Cruz!

Now that this detailed description Casey gave of “the last person who saw Caylee” was documented to law enforcement and validated in the depositions of George and Cindy , what is to say that George and
Cindy could not have come forward during Casey’s criminal trial and pointed the finger at River Cruz?

After all River has the same identifying characteristics as Zanny the Nanny, right down to her Asian tattoo.

What would prevent them from saying that River was the real culprit who kidnapped Caylee and killed her? What would prevent Casey from saying that River falsely told her that her name was Zanaida Gonzalez
and that she was a babysitter who babysat for Caylee for years?

While it may seem like a far fetched scenario, anything is possible with Cindy and George in my opinion. Always remember what Cindy tried to do to innocent Jesse Grund.

Could River have been used to create a reasonable doubt so that Casey could get off scott free?

Well now that River’s affair with George it is out in the open this could never happen. But what if it wasn’t out in the open? Could she have been used as an escape goat for Casey?

WHY CINDY AND GEORGE NEED A LAWYER

The bottom line is that George and Cindy need to be investigated to the point that there is no stone that is unturned. If they knew that Casey was dead while others tried their best to find her, then they should be given no mercy in a court of law.

I always wondered why George and Cindy had a lawyer. It didn’t make sense to me that innocent grandparents would have to have an attorney. But after River’s statement which indicates that George may have known Caylee was dead while he allowed others to search for Caylee, I now seewhy they definitely need a lawyer.

CINDY AND HER BRA



In my last blog I said that Cindy needed to invest in a bra. I was not being petty. I was being honest and observant. The way a person dresses and comports him or herself is also a part of body language analysis. Just as Cindy’s gum smacking during her deposition showed disrespect, her lack of wearing a bra or one that fits properly, speaks to her lack of self- respect in my view.

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Thanks Piper & Snaz, those were both really interesting.

You're welcome Julie, but SiteMama gets credit for my post.
I have to admit Dr. Glass' last observation has me rolling! To have a body language expert tell you that you need to invest in a properly fitting bra is pretty damn funny. I guess that makes me petty....

i really wasnt aware of rivers suicide attempt until i read this.. very sad

the u.s.s. anthony leaves QUITE the wake.. i believe river, and i have ALWAYS believe that GA and CA knew that caylee was dead and "in the woods".

i really hope that LE is just waiting until AFTER KC is convicted to go after CA and GA.. so they cannot plead the 5th on the stand when questioned.

It's unbelievable how many lives the Anthonys have ruined. I'm becoming more convinced that the Anthonys not only knew that Caylee was probably dead, but that they knew she was dead and knew where Casey had dumped her body. If any of this is true and the Anthonys wasted the time, money, and resources of LE, TE, the media, the public, and the taxpayers just to cover up for Casey, they need to be charged and sentenced to several years in prison.

I'm starting to think that this won't be over when Casey is convicted, and that the Anthonys will be charged after Casey's trial.

All this is very interesting!

I've always thought George and Cindy were aware Caylee was dead and the whole coverup was orchestrated by them and not by Casey alone.

I believe River!

I also believe she was being set up for a fall.

Here's what I'm waiting to fall out of the trees next> I think Baez is right that Caylee was put in the woods by someone else! By Cindy's guidance and by George's hand. I think they didn't want Casey to know where Caylee was because they were afraid she'd screw up when questioned by the police.

When Casey said "If I knew where she was, do you think I'd be sitting in jail" is telling in that regard. I also think Casey's breakdown on Dec 11 at the discovery of the bones where she would be highly incriminated since she's hung out in that area as a kid, was shocking to her that she's been screwed over by her parents.

I think they all knew, but George and Cindy threw Casey under the bus alone to save themselves.

You're welcome, Julie. It is all very interesting, isn't it?

I don't know, Lottie..... I'm still leaning towards KC is the one and only who knew for at least 31 days where Caylee was... I believe she put her there.

Another thing that convinces me that KC KNEW where Caylee was is the fact that when supposed bones were found at J. Blanchard Park, it didn't even phase her.... but when remains were found off Surburban Street, she FREAKED.

Also, at the time CA made the 911 calls, I believe she had genuine panic in her voice. I believe she put things together shortly thereafter, but I do think at the time of the 911 calls, CA was still in the dark... other than her suspicions.

IMO, KC saying, ""If I knew where she was, do you think I'd be sitting in jail" is just her way of trying to convince her mother she didn't know anything. She was very adept at lying to her mother to get out trouble.

I'm certainly not ruling out any other scenarios, but this one just keeps jumping out at me....

You're right Snaz, she didn't freak out when the JB Park stuff was reported found. Hmmmm>

Back to my drawing board! LOL

BUT.. CA also KNEW that caylee was not at JBP too..

remember when LP was there showboating.. (er.. searching.. i really meant searching).. CA came and made a HUGE scene.. she KNEW caylee was not there.

then.. when the remains were found there IN THE WOODS .. (like she referred to earlier in her freudian slip) she was not making a PEEP.. that tells me that she KNEW at least then, if not before where little caylee was dumped.

i dont think she KNEW that caylee was dead until they got the car from the towyard.. i really have no guess as to when she knew where caylee was left.. i do however know that it was before november. (cause that is when she sent "someone" out there).

Casey Anthony Jail Confidant Maya Dirkovik’s Body Language Says She Is Truthful As She Reveals Information About Casey

April 20, 2010



Inmate Maya Dirkovik’s neck tattoo and skinny eyebrows may give her past away, that she was once a drug addicted gang member who at 17 choked a 15 year old to death. But after listening to this attractive young woman’s jailhouse interview with reporter Cathy Belich, one could never believe that this sweet sounding young lady once committed such a such a heinous crime.

In fact. midway through her interview Cathy Belich actually mentioned that she found it difficult to believe, after speaking to Maya that she actually murdered another person.

MAYA’S CREDIBILITY

While it is easy to want to dismiss inmate Maya Dirkovik’s c credibility because she is a convicted felon- a i a convicted murderer is not necessarily a liar.

In fact, Maya’s body language, speech and voice patterns show that she is very credible as she discusses her communication with Casey Anthony. She shows absolutely no signals of deception. She is open eyed, has steady and appropriate eye contact.

Her facial expressions are consistent with what she is saying. When she says things in the negative she appropriately shake her head “no” and when she says things in the affirmative she appropriately shakes her head “yes. ”

Her voice pattern is also very consistent with what she is saying and with her facial animation. She comes across as a person with nothing to lose, nothing to gain and nothing hide.

MAYA’S TURNED HER LIFE AROUND

What also adds to Maya’s credibility is how she apparently has turned her life around from a drug addicted 17 year old gang member who made the wrong choices. Her sincere feelings of remorse for strangling the 15 year old could be seen in her body language and in her facial expression. She talked about how she was haunted by what she did even found herself constantly doodling the girl’s name and obsessing about her until she came clean and admitted her guilt.

She showed a great deal of empathy as she spoke of how bad she felt for the girl’s mother and how she wondered what the girl would be like if she had lived and if she would have even forgiven her.

Now Maya has spoken to over 100 school aged children in the Scared Straight program.
In addition she spoke of her remorse at being a 13 year old runaway and had a great deal of empathy for her own mother and what she had to go through with her.

MAYA’S MOTIVATIONS FOR COMING FORWARD

Reporter Belich asked Maya if she thought that she had something to gain such as a reduced sentence by coming forward and talking about Casey Anthony. Maya confidently said she did not, and I believed what she said. She said she was happy to serve her 30 years and felt blessed that she did not get the death sentence.

She also said she came forth because she thought that it was the right thing to do, just like she thought it was the right thing to do when she turned herself in for the murder of the 15 year old girl.

She seemed haunted by Casey’s blank emotion. She also feels strongly about those who would harm a child and even used the word “despise” to illustrate how she feels about these type of people that hurt children and how these people are outcasts in prison. So she is willing to testify in court about her communication with Casey. She wanted to lead law enforcement “to the right way so that the baby can rest in peace.”

Maya said that when she came to prison, she called the prosecutor’s office and the Orlando homicide department. She then called 911 around Thanksgiving time in November where homicide in Orlando took information and came to see her. She mentioned that she had not asked for anything in return she had not called her called lawyer . All she asked for was to not get media attention as she felt that this would make her life difficult in prison. But since it did get to the media, she decided to speak to the media about what she knew.

Because Maya felt relief in coming clean about what she herself did and admitting her guilt, she thought that Casey might feel the same relief if she came clean and did the same thing by admitting her guilt, but this did not happen. In fact, several times throughout the interview Maya commented on how cold and mask like Casey’s facial appearance was and how she was not at all remorseful.

MAYA’S OBSERVATIONS ABOUT CASEY RING TRUE CONCERNING HER HER LACK OF TEARS AND COLDNESS

When Maya tells about how Casey didn’t cry when the Chaplin came into Casey’s cell to talk to her the night Caylee’s body was discovered, I believed what Maya was saying.

Maya also said how there was a coldness to Casey that put her off. She said she never saw remorse from Casey.

She also remarked how some of the other jail mates were mocking and yelling at Casey “ Where’s Caylee? ” as Casey was being shackled. She shared Casey’s odd behavior of smiling at them as they said this. Most people Maya said would have shown upset about this, but not Casey.

We have all seen Casey’s non- tears in the courtroom. We have also seen her inappropriate constant smile in the courtroom that is highly disconcerting.

So Maya’s report is consistent with what we have seen first-hand.

MAYA’S OBSERVATIONS OF CASEY’S CONSTANT GROOMING

Another thing about Casey which we have all seen is her constant grooming in the courtroom where she fiddles with her hair and brushes off her clothing. We also saw this in her surveillance videos with the detectives and other law enforcement.

Maya mentioned how Casey would look in the mirror in her cell all the time and play with her hair.

MAYA’S OBSERVATIONS ABOUT CASEY’S SELF CENTEREDNESS

Maya mentioned how Casey asked her if someone would want to interview her and write a book about her when Maya mentioned that she was thinking about writing a book about her case. We cans see that their conversation centered back on Casey, something we have all seen first- hand in her jailhouse interviews with her parents.

MAYA OBSERVES CASEY’S JEALOUSY OF CAYLEE

We have all seen Casey’s jealousy towards Caylee in the jailhouse tapes during her parent’s visit with her. When Cindy remarked how Caylee loved eggs and bagels, Casey said , I love eggs and bagels too, what about me. She also stated at one point “ I am Caylee.”

So when Maya told Kathy Bellich how she once told Casey that she thought Caylee was pretty, it was no surprise to me to hear that Casey said “ What about me?” This comment not only spoke volumes about Casey’s narcissism but also to her jealousy towards Caylee and her motive for killing the little girl.

MAYA’S DISCUSSION OF HOW CASEY HATED HER MOTHER CINDY

Maya also gave her impression with regard to Casey’s relationship with Cindy. She said that Casey hated her mother and constamtly called her mother names . She spoke of how Casey said that Cindy said Casey was an unfit mother because she liked to drink and party and had different guys around the baby. Maya also told of how Casey did not like leaving Caylee with her mother.

We saw up close and personal via the jailhouse tapes of how Casey had issues with Cindy, There was tension between the two and we also saw how when Cindy was crying, Casey was laughing at her sadistically. She seemed to enjoy seeing her mother in emotional pain.
She also said that Casey never said that her father or brother molested her and only spoke well of them.

CASEY’S LIES

When it was believed that Caylee was kidnapped, Maya mentioned that Casey told her three separate lies. First She said that the babysitter took Caylee. Then she said that the babysitter came to her house to babysit Caylee and took her. Next she told Maya that the babysitter left a note saying she took Caylee.

So Maya’s hearing Casey’s constant lies is something we all heard from Casey. All Casey has been doing is lying to everyone. So her continuing to lie to her fellow inmates is not surprising.

MAYA’S MESSAGE TO CASEY

Maya’s message to Casey was that she come forward. She said that it’s not the mistake you make, it’s what you do afterwards and not cooperating is no good. She also said that coming to prison with a charge like that is not the best thing.

BOTTOM LINE IS THAT MAYA WILL BE WELL RECEIVED BY A JURY

The bottom line is that Maya does look and sound credible body language wise . She will be very well received by the jury in my view no matter how hard the defense tries to impeach her. She is solid and unwavering and is remorseful for what she had done at the age of 17 when as a drug addicted gang member she strangled a 15 year old girl. It will come through as she speaks.

The fact that she had nothing to gain by coming clean with the exception of a clean conscience and her being on the right road to do the right thing will also sit well with jurors. They will be more open minded to hearing about what Casey told her and they will believe what she says.

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Pound, pound, pound. More nails for Casey's coffin.

lol cali... that was just too funny!!

i would normally be put off by a witness that is a convicted murderer. in this case, however, the mear fact that she NEVER asked for ANYTHING for her testimony, makes her in my mind, credible.

she committed a horrible crime, but by coming clean.. and accepting her punishment, she finds redemtion.

After watching the video interview of Maya, I find her to be quite credible.

River Cruz Upset That Bloggers Speculate Mystery Hair May Be Hers. Says It’s Impossible As She Never Met Caylee. If Hair Is Hers, Did George Set “Zanny the Nanny Prototype” Up And Put It There?

April 27, 2010



RIVER UPSET OVER BLOGGERS ALLEGATIONS

I received a call from River Cruz this evening around 5 pm PST, who was very distraught. Apparently someone sent her an email where a blogger said that the mystery hair that was apparently found was River Cruz’s.

According to River, it would be impossible! First of all she has never seen or met Caylee in her life. Secondly she has never been to the woods where Cayley’’s body was discovered.

If she took a lie detector test, no doubt she would pass it with flying colors attesting to the fact that she never laid eyes on Caylee.

If she took a voice stress analysis test, she would pass that as well as they would no doubt hear no signals of deception.

And with my expertise as a body language and voice expert, I personally asked River is she ever saw or met Caylee or if she was in the woods and I heard no signals of deception whatsoever. River sounded forthright and I could hear that was telling the truth.

GEORGE ANTHONY WAS IN RIVER’S HOME AND HER BED THROUGHOUT THE YEAR ACCORDING TO HER

But River said that she WAS with George Anthony for a year. George Anthony was in her home for a year and according to River, in her bed throughout the year. Having said that, George no doubt had access to many of River’s stray hairs. He was all over her home and used her bathroom. He may have very well had access to her hairbrush.

So if the hair turns out to be River’s, like some blogger speculated, the question is, Did George put it there? Was he the one who moved Caylee’s body which Cindy mentioned to Sergeant Allen in her phone call to him ?

George is the same man who mind you, who NEVER searched for his own granddaughter. Did he already know she was dead? This is the husband of Cindy Anthony , who mentioned WOODS when the WOODS wasn’t even a consideration. This is also the husband of Cindy Anthony , who adamantly told Sergeant Allen that Casey had help in moving he body.

So ANYTHING is possible!

DID GEORGE PURSUE RIVER WITH THE PURPOSE OF USING HER AND SETTING HER UP AS THE SCAPEGOAT?

One thing we know for sure is that George had his sights set on River. He pursued her. It was not the other way around according to River. Initially, she didn’t want to get involved with him because he was married. But he let her know that he was not happily married and planning on leaving Cindy.

He sold River a complete bill of goods, tugging on her sensitive nature and heartstrings. He even talked her into giving him a large sum of money as he told her he didn’t have enough money to eat and buy food. She felt sorry for him, so she gave him the money that she herself needed.

What she is devastated about the most is that she now sees how he completely used her. She mentioned through her tears and sobs that that she now sees how she was used and how she strongly believes he was trying to set her up.

GEORGE DESCRIBED ZANNY THE NANNY IN TOO MUCH DETAIL, ESPECIALLY SINCE HE ALLEGEDLY NEVER MET HER

I can definitely see her point, especially when George knew so much about the physical appearance of the “Zanny the Nanny” character, right down to her Asian tattoo. George in his depositions reported that he never met Zanny the Nanny, yet her knew so much about her, even describing her as a 10 with perfect teeth.

To me, it seems like a little too much description of someone you allegedly never met. Also women don’t usually describe other women as a 10, Men do that, which leads me to believe that all of this detailed Zanny the Nanny description no doubt came from George.

GEORGE SEVERELY WARNED RIVER TO SPEAK TO NO ONE ABOUT THEIR AFFAIR WHICH FRIGHTENED HER WHEN POLICE CAME TO VISIT HER

For those of you that say River lied to the police when she was asked if she had an affair with George, she openly admits that she lied because she was terribly embarrassed and extremely frightened.

Apparently, George strongly warned her to NEVER say anything to anyone about their affair no matter what! River said that she was prepared to take it to her grave and tell no one. So when law enforcement unexpectedly came to her door and later interrogated her about her affair, she didn’t know what to do or say so she tried to cover as she no doubt remembered George;s words to NEVER say anything to anyone about their affair no matter what!

Eventually she admitted that she did indeed have an affair with George, s for which she is deeply ashamed. She also didn’t have a lawyer advising her at the time, which she does now.

RIVER IS NOT HER TWIN SISTER SKYE

Also to set the record straight, River is not her twin sister Skye. Skye is reported to allegedly have somewhat of a checkered past, unlike River. Skye has the one was talking to the press, not River. River has not spoken to the press or done any interviews with anyone except for the one she did initially and the interviews she has done with me personally.

RIVER IS DEVASTATED BY THE FALLOUT THAT HAS AFFECTED HER CHILD

River is a single mom who loves her young child deeply. She is distressed that her child has been teased at school and that there has been name calling about River. She was most devastated by the fact that her child has been beaten up while trying to defend River’s honor.

Her child doesn’t deserve this and it is what upsets River the most. No parent would want their child tormented and bullied by other kids because of their involvement with a married father of a daughter who is facing death row for killing her child..

MUCH MISINFORMATION ABOUT THE HAIR

Thus far there has been a lot of misinformation about the hair that was found. Earlier, reporter Cathy Belich of Channel 9 had reported that the mystery hair was on the duct tape found with the toddler’s remains. WESH-Channel 2 also reported that the strand was “on the duct tape across Caylee’s skull.”

But the documents released today say NOTHING about a mystery hair on duct tape. So Cathy Belich updated her initial report by later saying: ”A 5-inch-long, fine, dark brown strand of hair from a Caucasian was found with a piece of plastic from the scene where Caylee Anthony’s remains were found.”

WKMG-Channel 6’s Mike DeForest reported that the mysterious hair was found in the woods near the toddler’s remains. Mike DeForest also reported that “The origin of that hair remains unknown,”

Casey ’s defense team could use that hair to suggest a stranger was out in the woods near the toddler’s body, but prosecutors no doubt will argue that detectives collected lots of items in those woods, including garbage , that is not related to the murder of Caylee.

RIVER CRUZ’S HAIR IS NATURALLY CURLY NOT STRAIGHT LIKE THE HAIR THAT WAS FOUND



The hair that was found was five inches and was straight. River’s hair is longer than five inches and it is not naturally straight. She said that when she washes her hair it comes out curly and she has to straighten it. So my question is that with all the Florida humidity and rain, wouldn’t that straight hair that was found, eventually turn to it’s natural state- curly?

If it remained straight, it very well may not be River’s hair.

RIVER CRUZ CANNOT BE USED TO CREATE REASONABLE DOUBT

Casey’s defense team will look at everything to try and create reasonable doubt for their client so that she doesn’t end up with a lethal injection coursing through her veins .

But there is way too much that points in the direction that she may have killed Caylee. Jose Baez and his band of lawyers can try all they want to create a reasonable doubt with a Zanny the Nanny or a hair, but the bottom line is that it will be very difficult to convince a jury that Casey Anthony didn’t have anything to do with her young daughter’s death.

River Cruz is NOT Zanny the Nanny and whether the hair is or isn’t hers, she has NOTHING to do with Caylee’s death.

She only wishes she had NOTHING to ever do with George and never bought into his poor me victim routine where he used her for sex, for relief, as a refuge to get away from Cindy, as the prototype for Zanny the Nanny ,and now possibly for her hair.

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I think River would be better off not to read blogs if they upset her so much. She has already attempted suicide, which would have affected her child far worse than anything he's been hearing at school.

Anything we read about who the mystery hair belongs to is speculation. If they ever find out who it belongs to, we will read about it when the docs are released.

I like the idea that (if the hair is River's) George is somehow responsible for it being there on Caylee.

I like it because I think George has known all along what became of Caylee and was behind the cover-up.

I personally don't think George is that smart to think ahead and plant one hair, anywhere. The hair could belong to a cashier at Target, who knows.

I don't think George is smart enough to plant a hair either, Piper. And I doubt it's River's in the first place, but if it does turn out to be River's hair...maybe it fell off George from being all cozy with River. But probably not, or else they'd have had to been entwined before Caylee died.

I'm not ruling out that they were cozy before Caylee died, personally. I think there could be more to this relationship than we've seen yet.

I agree, Lottie......I think there are many things that will come to light before this is over with!!

Then throw in Cindy with the hairbrushes and toothbrushes...

Did they check George's eyebrow?

I think anything is possible!

Remember it was speculated that after Casey left Caylee's body in the woods, Casey would go hang out there from time to time? (The criminal always returns to the scene of the crime.)

Remember Casey went and showed up at a friend's house to "take a shower"??

I could totally see Casey taking someone's hair and depositing it at the murder scene after the fact.

Kinda sounds like eva's hair, look at her picture.

Julie wrote:Did they check George's eyebrow?

OMG, Julie! Thanks for that visual!

You guys are a riot!!! Bernard Baruch(dont think I spelled that right) or Einstein...might have passed that way at one time or was it Andy Rooney ???

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I will always wonder about DC being in the woods and JH's account of how DC told him Caytlee was dead and was in the woods, and brought JH within 150 ft where Caylee was later found 3 wks later.

I agree that none of these players (alone) wud have brains, but knowing that camp defense has been very tight all along the way makes me suspicious of what happened at the crime scene prior to RK. Clearly, it wasnt DC who made the disovery, and there was no way he cud have moved her remains as they were so strewn ...it seem s plausible that if they cudnt take Caylee, whynot leave something behind..

Maybe the hair is DC's... He is thinning isnt he??? lol

The whole thing with DC and JH is weird and, to me, smells of something more.

I don't think they moved anything, but very well could have planted any number of things and I think something WAS planted! Don't know what, and maybe it hasn't been found yet, but Baez was SO distressed at not being able to have 'his people' watch the crime scene being investigated, it was like he wanted to see if 'something in particular- something planted' was found. Because he sure couldn't ask if they found it! He'd had to wait to see if it showed up on the discovery. And he did comment that one of the reasons he wanted 'his people' to watch the crime scene being investigated was because they might miss something they didn't think was relevant if they were only looking to find evidence against Casey.

I don't think a little hair though would be something they'd plant. I would think it would be something harder to ignore and easier to see being picked up, like maybe that Gatorade bottle. Who knows whose testosterone was found within?

The hair though is sure seemingly important since LE has gone to the trouble of testing all the people who had contact with the evidence. Could be it belongs to one of the Yorkies! But no, they wouldn't have tested human hairs it if was a dog's hair, so back to the drawing board!

Where, exactly, was this hair discovered? I read on the duct tape and not on the duct tape.

I'm not sure where the hair was found, Lottie. Your comment about Baez looking for what was and what wasn't to be found at the crime scene in regards to not being tied to Casey is interesting...........I'm very suspicious over the Gatorade bottle still. I don't believe it was Casey's, might not even be tied to the case and could end up being explosive evidence. Back to.........who knows?

Yeah, who knows, right?

I'm sure a lot of what has been released in the documents aren't going to be used at the trial. They just have to let the defense know what all they've looked at in regard to this case.

I think the Gatorade bottle is a red herring, planted or otherwise.

All I really am comfortable with is that Caylee eventually ended up in those woods and any bones that were adhered to roots and stuff had been there at least long enough for that to happen. Not sure if that was the entire 6 months since the official reports were that it could have been as little as 4 months and as long as 6 months.

If it was 5 months, we're looking at July which could suggest Casey and/or someone else moved her there from somewhere else prior to her being arrested.

If it was 4 months we're looking at August as the dump date which would suggest someone other than Casey put Caylee there.

To me, it's too clean to assume everything based around that one timeline of June 15/16 + 2.6 days. Especially with Casey only complaining about the smell around the 23rd, and George not smelling a damn thing on the 24th, while Casey then says on the 25th the smell is gone and there was indeed an animal plastered to the frame of her car. Sometimes this makes me think that Casey's friends are lying about the last time they saw Caylee and she was actually alive longer than the cops have focused on....like maybe she died on that Friday the 20th (drugged up to sleep really good) while Casey went to Fusian. but it just fits better with Casey complaining about a smell approximately 2.6 days later.

They said the body had been in the trunk for 2.6 days, but the fluids spilled out into the trunk and the fluids were in the trunk until CA cleaned the car. In that hot sun, the odor just kept getting stronger.

I hope you aren't believing Casey when she says on the 25th that the smell is gone. Doesn't she lie a lot???

Actually, I doubt the odor was gone after CA cleaned the car.