I'm convinced, Ron knew...

for some reason, i was struck with a thought full of reason and logic-- out of nowhere. ever do that, have a huge ??, and not be able to make any sense of it at all, and then BAM!! SLAM!! KAZAAM!! it hits you like a ton of bricks.. it is logic.


In my split second of pure unadulterated logic, i realized, Ron knew what happened to little haleigh (well whatever MISTY told him happened that is..) when the 911 call was made.

here is the logic: in the 911 call (which supposedly took place as soon as or right as ron returned home from work) he said these words to misty "how the FK'd you let my daughter get stole B*TCH??" lets try for a moment to forget about the horrid bashing he gave to the english language, and focus on those words... actually its one word he said that concerns me... "STOLE"

Stole, in this instance says a lot, it implies someone physically TOOK her. right now, that may not mean much, but think back to that night.. there is no way ron could have known that haleigh was taken by someone, unless misty told him. i think, the moment ron got home, misty told him a story (not necessarily the truth) that haleigh was taken by (and i believe that she may very well have indicated WHOM) someone.

another little tidbit about the 911 call.. ron was also heard saying "if i find whoever has my daughter before you do, im killing HIM!!" this is where i think misty very well may have pointed the finger at a certain individual.

i am really not sure what happened to haleigh, but i am QUITE sure that ron was given a STORY the moment he got home. Otherwise, wouldnt you think something a little more pleasant than STOLEN?? maybe walked off, maybe lost, maybe just hiding out, playing games... but to actually jump straight to kidnapped?? for me, that is a stretch!!

i still believe that misty holds the key to whatever happened to haleigh.. i still dont think ron was involved with her disappearance, but i think that he was given SOME good story from misty the night that haleigh disappeared, and i think he bought it hook, line, and sinker.. that would explain why he married her... he believed her... maybe the story was about drugs, or guns, and someone took haleigh for revenge over a bad deal, or maybe a debt, SOMETHING that would make sense to ron (considering their lifestyle that has since come to light), and he felt responsible.

of course, my thoughts on what, when, who, are just that, thoughts, speculation.. however i am CONVINCED that misty told ron MUCH more that night than she has told the rest of us (and LE) i hope the truth will come out of the lot of them eventually, and there will be justice for little haleigh.

I'm with ya, randi. I think Ron knew, too.

Those words you latched onto "stole" and "him" have bothered me as well.

IF Misty told Ron a story about why Haleigh was not there, then she must have blamed a male for taking Haleigh. IF she blamed a male then she must have seen it happen. Did she claim to Ron that she didn't know who the man was? She couldn't have given Ron a name or Ron wouldn't have said "If I find whoever...."

Could the child have actually been taken due to some drug related debt and Misty knew only that much but didn't know who the man was? Was it a henchman for something they screwed over?

I can't really believe it was, for the simple reason that IF someone took Haleigh due to a drug debt- for example- they would have wanted their money, not the child; so they would only hold her until Ron or Misty paid up. And they probably would have found a way to pay up and never called the cops. So....

Ron had to think Haleigh was gone forever! Unless, he or LE could find whoever took Haleigh.

Now why would someone take Haleigh forever? I can't imagine! So that's why I think Haleigh was dead...and Ron was aware of it.

Hi Randilynn,

I think the words Ron used " stole".. was when he saw the brick propping the door opened and Misty said Haleigh is gone. that would be a good indicator that someone stole his daughter.

You said "another little tidbit about the 911 call.. ron was also heard saying "if i find whoever has my daughter before you do, im killing HIM!!" this is where i think misty very well may have pointed the finger at a certain individual"

Some people assume things when tragedy strikes. When a little girl is molested or raped, immediately people think its a guy. With that said, I think Ron was assuming who ever took his daughter, was male.

Misty also said in an interview days after Haleigh went missing and said " I wished "they" took me instead of her".. Misty uses the words "they".. If Misty knew what really happened and told Ron it was a guy, IMO, Misty would not have said "they".

I think if anyone took, stole, abducted any of our kids... as time went on we would all be thinking who it could be. We would be looking into our pasts to see if we ever pissed someone off, for what ever the reason. We would be thinking about certain family members and to think if anyone of them could have motive. I have no doubt that every Croslin and Every Sheffield are thinking as to who could have possibly done something like this. Why wouldn't they.

I think the timing the night Haleigh went missing lays on Misty not Ronald. I say that because I don't find it coincidental that the moment Ron gets home is the exact Moment Misty is just waking up to see Haleigh is gone. I think Misty got home, called timmy and freaked the hell out and naturally tried looking for Haleigh but wouldn't you think too that if you saw a brick propping the door open and any child for that matter wasn't there.. the thoughts to continue to keep looking would be pointless just looking what it appeared to look like?

Its no different then coming home to your door bashed in and finding your valuables missing. You might look around in hopes they weren't stolen but after about 20 minutes or so, you'd chalk that up to being stolen by the way the door appeared when you got home. Very nice thought though Randilynn but I don't feel were dealing with a full deck of cards being the few choice words Ronald used during that 911 call. If this happened in my home and my husband called me a bitch while I was reporting what happened, hell.. we wouldn't be married today. Married now for almost 14 years and we have never used foul language before even when we do disagree but that's just us I suppose.

in re-reading what you said AJ, far as Ron's language given the situation and devastation his little girl is gone, I re-tract my thinking about being called a bitch. Almost like how those react when they say your child is dead. Some act differently then others and people can't judge a person on that. thanks for pointing that out.

What really sold me on Ron not having any involvement the most out of this entire situation, is the footage of Ron crying. According to NG, she was with Ron at that time and she could in fact see it for herself. This was why NG has stood by his side and this in my opinion was the "only' reason NG has even given Ron's past (not so nice priors).... to be pushed completely aside.

Ron may not be liked in many area's, but he certainly didn't deserve his baby girl to be taken. Frankly, I couldn't nor wouldn't even want to imagine what that's remotely like. Ron's tears and crys were down right real is what they were. My heart broke for the guy for that reason alone. Ron wasn't only just crying, he was down right uncontrolably sobbing while he was crying. that shows me, he had no involvement at all.

lol awaiting justice. I say that only because I keep debating Misty, her tears and why they were shed.

I myself did in fact believe Misty's crys.. in regards to- She didn't know where haleigh was at, "If I knew where she was at, we wouldn't be here today", I wished they took me instead of her".. all of that I did in fact believe. Also, don't forget how Misty no doubt hurt for Ron as well. So, seems to me, given the statements and fact I have given, no doubt her crys were real.

However, and this is where we disagree.. it in my opinion doesn't eliminate the possibilities of Misty leaving that night for how ever long it could have been. No young teen is going to weigh out the what if factors if something went wrong. Crys of guilt could have been added to what we were witnessing is all i'm trying to say.

Ron however, his crys would be different only because that was his flesh and blood child. If it ever comes to light down the road that Ron did in fact work with LE with the entire drug bust and willing to spend time behind bars due to it all right down to testifying against misty in order to get her to "break", I will have much respect for Ron in those area's of a father who will seek justice no matter what.

If Misty knew anything in regards to Haleigh far as where she is at, I do believe she would have talked by now. but Misty does not know. Misty is hiding what "Misty" herself had done that had nothing to do with Haleigh is my own thinking that unfortunately "led" to what happened to haleigh by her going missing.

Misty is thinking this is all about haleigh... and it is naturally but Misty has to come to terms that her own issues are what she is leaving out. Its hard to explain what I'm trying to say. At any rate, my theory with wanting to break misty down by showing Misty Ron is against her is yet again trickery but to Ron's advantage of finding out what happened to Haleigh. Otherwise, Ron testifying would make no sense at all. JMHO

ps- Although the plan is, to have Ron testify against Misty in exchange for Ron to get 15 years for his own drug deal charges, it was questioned why it hasn't already been addressed before a judge as of yet. Maybe, the reason for the delay, is to give Misty something to chew on for awhile and to see if she wants to get angered enough to admit what they are hoping for. Giving the girl "time" gives her time to really think about it.

Sadly, even if I am remotely right about Misty leaving, I still feel she finds no reason or any importance regarding that information simply because to Misty, she doesn't see any realation to it helping with solving this case. To Misty, she will only see it hanging herself further.

this kind of stragedy if it is one, would be for Misty to be down right angered at Ron and to think " how dare you testify against me".. and for the anger, then hurt, and finally pain consume her enough to be pissed off and say " really?? well I left that night so there! I think that's what they are thinking but naturally I'm not an expert in this case.. just a good feeling I have as to what probably took place that night.

I think Ron knows..... and was very possibly involved...... most certainly involved in a cover up.

I have never believed Cousin Jo was anything but a red herring thrown out there in desperation by the Croslins.

I think that Misty has actually told LE everything she knows. She's scared sh!tless and so confused, she just doesn't know what to say anymore because she just doesn't have (the 'key') what it is they want her to tell them. If she knew, she would have told em by now. I think she has been ill used by her own family and her 'boyfriends' as well as their familes her whole young life and has major issues - not just with drugs. I do see her being manipulative on some of the tapes (which is probably a major coping skill for her), but manipulating your parents on a jail phone is much different than successfully manipulating LE. Just my humble opinion.

I think Tommy is the main culprit. Anyone who would believe a single word he says is majorly kiddin themselves. Actually, at this point in time, I think we have heard MORE conflicting stories from Tommy than from Misty.

In the end, I think the key to this will be related to the druggin and thieven lifestyle of Ron and Timmy (they were made for each other!)....

But that just my opinion....... and, as you all know, we all have em!

kh

NG never apologizes... that would be too much work~ much like taking the time to check her facts before she reports them as gospel because any tom, dick or harry said what she wanted to hear! kh

At this point I watch NG purely as entertainment just to see how many of the facts she fouls up or just plain makes up! I used to have a drinkin game where I'd take a shot everytime she did that, but I was gettin too drunk and it was adversely effecting my life - so now I pop popcorn and just throw it at the screen instead!!!! kh

Here is some food for thought too... I saw this post at:

http://forums.radionewz.net/index.php?topic=88.new#new

And it was posted by one of the moderators named:
thatsnarkychick

The Ten O'Clock Obsession:

Misty tells 911 the last time she saw Haleigh was at TEN o'clock.

Tommy says Ron called him to go check on Misty at TEN o'clock

Does Ron ever deny calling Tommy at TEN o'clock?

Tommy says JO showed up at his house at TEN o'clock with Haleigh in the van, but JO doesn't know Tommy saw Haleigh in the van -- even though JO had a knife to Tommy's throat.

Oh yeah, and didn't Lindsy arrive home around TENish?

TEN O'CLOCK is the the key here peeps. Whatever happened took place around this time frame. The question is who knew what was going on and who was involved in cleaning the drugs out of the place and setting up the plan for the in the middle of the night 911 fake call. Who were the real key players?

And even though I really doubt that JO had the involvement they say he had, I do have to mention that in the pic of him hanging fliers, he does have a black hoodie tossed over his shoulder which would fit the "man in black" that little Jr saw or didn't see.

AND Misty seems to be questioning WHY didn't Ron answer all her calls early that morning and she opens up the front door and there he is.

Still a clusterf*ck, peeps, still being fueled by drugged out versions from which ever addict.

I like to hear all kinds of different opinions on this case, being as we're all lookin at the same stuff and coming to our own opinions... I think the different theories that people come up with are interesting, but now always believable.

Now, I too think it could have definitely been a stranger that committed this crime........ but then why would LE say at the beginning of the case, and stand by this statement so adamantly, that this was not a stranger abduction ??? That has always bothered me. kh

AW ~

".................I believe that when LE made that statement, they knew it wud Pee off ppl in and around the community, and turn ppl against Misty and help add pressure to her as they clearly believe she holds the key...That imo is also getting old.. if she held any key, it is craazy to think she wud not have handed over the key months ago..." I could not agree more, it hasn't worked for 16 months. I don't think Misty holds the key at all. I think Tommy and Ronald do, but that's just conjecture on my part.

".....It was acquaintances of the families that took Elizabeth and Danielle... Neither one of the families had any idea that it was an acquaintance... I will add in Jessica Lunsford as well as hers was the exact same circumstances as these 2 I mentioned.. an acqaintance..nothing more than a neighbor across the way... " Yes, I totally agree. So- do you think this is an acquantance abduction. I think it certainly could be. And I think they had plenty of acquaintances in and out of that mobile home that they may or may not have had any idea what their history was or what they were capable of.

"......Here are some reasons..

1. LE does not want its communiity to panic about some perp on the loose that may come and take their kids.. LE need to minimize concern... I call BS.

2. LE may not know thwe answer and dont want to come across that way to the public.. they need to be respected and look like they are efficient or they will aLll be out of a job.... The best way to look efficient is to be efficient- but- I am sure they know a whole lot more than we do.

3. LE try and provide somekind of answer to gain calmness and maintain respect and by using Misty they accomplish that....... Not sure I agree with that.

4. It is the same thing in the Jaycee case.. (and there was no internet bak then) but look what her strep dad endured..? He was accused and lost his marriage and his whole life.... Back then a person cud go and start a new life in another state without their name being ruined as some suspected child killer... Its not like today..." Yes. In fact, until earlier this year (or was it the end of last year?) when Jaycee Duggard was 'found', her dad was still a person of interest/suspect.

".......There is no way that either ROn or Misty cud outwit for this long.. imposible.." I had thought that too. They just don't have the brains, discipline or stamina needed to pull off the perfect crime, or even the perfect cover up..... but I do also believe very strongly (and have for nearly 16 months now) that collectively they all know something, and that includes their friends/family too, and that for whatever reason they refuse to give it up. It may just be their deep seeded distrust for LE. I don't know. But I have always thought there are plenty of people in Santsuma who know something.

kh

If le HAD NO SCHMOOZE line to tell the public and had no progress in solving this crime, I think it wud be upsetting to the community and wud put the chiefs leadership in jeopardy.. I understand, they don't want the village folk running around with torches and pitch forks looking for the perp.

The crimescene was contaminated before they took away a piece of the wall and the back door. (it was about 3 months after the fact) .. I totally agree there.

I pray that they do have DNA or prints from the house/blanket/ tshirt but Im not confidant they do.. Me niether, which begs the question: We have seen cases where a perp enters a home, leaves with a kid and leaves no physical evidence. BUT, if this is really an "inside job", an fight/altercation between a cousin and who ever was in the mobile home, or worse (and we have all heard Gma Holler's horrible statements about what could have happened that night), or if there was a party and Haleigh accidentally overdosed and they tried to cover it up........ Could they really pull it off? Could they remove ALL physical evidence, clean the place up, stage a scene and make LE believe it???

I was happy to hear Marc Klaas remind NG that Misty may be telling the truth and that it cud be true that somweone took Haleigh from her bed! Me too.

Also: Remember this conversation from recent tapes (this is Misty talkin to her dad):

Misty: It's just, I don't know...you want ta...in my mind it's just like, you know, people keep saying "this person, this person" so in your mind you're like "well, hey! It's that person" you actually start to believe it..like with JO..they ..ug...ak...I just want to believe it...that because it's what I keep hearing and it makes sense to what happened but I don't know for 100% that it was him...I don't know."

I can totally see that being the case.

I will ask you, if you agree that they are all too stupid to pull off a perfect crime, or even cover one up, how cud you think they all (friends and family too) cud be smart enough to keep a secret? I don't mean to imply that they are that smart.......... only that they continue to fly under the radar because they have kept their mouths shut this long and have not drawn any attention to themselves, and will continue to do so.


kh
PS: It is always a pleasure talkin to ya, AW!

PS: I forgot to add this~ When people do come forward in cases like this, they are immediaely scrutinized by everyone.... not just LE, but the media, other peep's attorneys, sensational news "journalists"/crime journalists/bloggers, ex-wives/husbands, other family members... I can go on and on.

Kinda like the Roy Kronk effect. What did he do but stumble across the remains of poor little Caylee Anthony? Nothing. (I know some people will disagree on this point). But he's been put through the wringer. His life will no longer be the same, ever. All manner of personal and embarasssing details are now public knowledge that never would have been. And all kind of PO'd ex's who got an axe to grind are getting not only air time, but deposition time too.

Let's face it......... if I was to find a body or divulge some piece of knowlege that helped solve a case or absolve some major player in a case (especially an emotional case, i.e., one where a kid is involved)... All of a sudden, all my past private stuff would be blasted on every news station and blogger/newz board there is. And (here's a shocker!) I'm not perfect! I've made mistakes. I've learned from some of them. I've shown bad judgement at some time or another in my life. My marriage isn't perfect and neither are my kids!

But who wants all that broadcast for the world and the defense team to dissect?

No, I can totally understand why people don't want to come forward and help or tell what they know. The Good Samaritan is crucified in our current culture. And when you already got trouble, why ask for more?

kh

I don't think they could have covered up a large party, i.e, a "dock party" which has been suggested..... but maybe a few peeps in the mobile home? I think they cudda done that.... but holding out this long? I don't think so. I will say this: One thing that has bothered me mightily about this case from the beginning was LE's focusing on a timeline from 7:00-8:00 PM or so in the evening until 3:00 AM or so in the morning on the day that Haliegh disappeared. I understand that we are not privy to all the info that LE has... but, I think they should have ironed out what was going on like the whole previous week or so........ not such a limited time period of the day in question. kh

AW- You are right... maybe LE has that all locked down tight. I hope so.

I guess I was thinking about the info out there 'for public consumption' that makes me wonder about their timeline-

Did GGM Sykes see Haleigh arund 7:00 PM? Who was with her (I can only find her saying 'we' went by to drop off the laundry, etc, but still not sure who she was with)? Who picked Haleigh up from the school bus? Did the AC man see Haleigh alive? Did he see Misty there? Did Tommy go to the MH that night or not? Was Misty there or not? Was she passed out or just plain gone? Do we know where Joe was tht evening- who he was with? Do we know for sure that Ronald was at werk and hadn't slipped off or have someone punch out for him? (My understanding is that the timeclock system where he worked was not switched over to the finger/palm scanner or what ever you call it until after that night?). Do we know where Tommy and Lindsy were? Timmy and Chelsea?

Now, LE may have all these answers and be competely satisfied with them. I just dunno.

But as far as I can tell, no one knows exactly when Haleigh disappeared, so how can anyone have an air tight alibi or be ruled out as a suspect or POI?

kh

I'm with you on this "timeline" too, kh. It was stretched taut like a rubber band, all present and accounted for. So, is it possible that somebody in that timeline is lying, or more than one person is lying.

I believe LE has gotten nowhere as there is a coverup here. The 911 report had to wait until Ron got there so his loud forced strange rants would be on tape, giving Ron an excuse = "I was at work". Misty couldn't remember what she was supposed to say, so her story was never believable. Everyone involved is afraid to be the snitch, and face the vengance and reprisal sure to come their way.

kh and Cali...I agree with what both of you are saying!

The timeline is bogus IMO!

The clan can't even decide who got Haleigh after school.

I find it telling that Ron is the one being offered a plea deal! Not Misty or Tommy or anyone else...just Ron. That means they must think Ron has something more to tell them. And I believe he does..but I'm betting he won't tell them anything useful because he's not that stupid. I just hope they check out whatever he tells before giving him a pass of any sort.

I'm so sure Ron is in this up to his fake bawling eyeballs! Grrrrr....

Hi AJ, hope you don't mind but I took "some" of your post so I can show you why things were done by Misty if she did go out that night. also, just want to thank you for taking what I think to at least look at that possibility as I will do the very same with your own . This case can drive a person crazy!! sadly, I can not wait for the truth to come out. I put parentheses around what you said and will respond in caps only so its not one of the same ( run in together)



(It wud have been made clear to Misty that if she was out, she needed to tell the truth and wud get off on a very light slap regardless of the outcome.. she was a minor, and neglect wud not have been held against her, if she was cooperative)

.... MINOR OR NO MINOR, IF MISTY DID GO OUT THAT NIGHT AND HALEIGH WAS HARMED IN ANYWAY, MISTY WOULD HAVE BEEN HELD ACCOUNTABLE. ESPECIALLY IF THE CHILD WAS FOUND DECEASED. ASIDE THAT, MISTY WOULDN'T DARE TELL RON FOR TWO REASONS. 1) FEAR FOR HER OWN LIFE 2) SHE WAS IN LOVE WITH RON AND DIDN'T WANT TO JEOPARDIZE THAT. ALSO, LE DOES NOT CARE WHO THIS HURTS WHEN IT COMES TO A CHILD, NO SUCH DEAL WOULD BE MADE FOR MISTY. SO TO SAY REGARDLESS THE OUTCOME.. NO SUCH THING. ANYTHING HAPPENED TO HALEIGH WHILE MISTY WAS IN CHARGE, YOU BET SHE'D BE IN HUGE TROUBLE.

(There was no evidence found to support that she was out... there were no sightings by even starngers or ppl that didnt know her)...

REPORTS HAVE STATED THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE COME FORWARD THAT MISTY WAS OUT. BUT OBVIOUSLY ITS NOT ENOUGH DUE TO HEARSAY OR EVEN A FALSE REPORT.

(The ppl she wud have been with had alibi's that panned out or we wud have heard that someone was lying and they wud have been intensley bothered by LE... we never saw that)..

WE NEVER SAW THAT BECAUSE MISTY CLAIMS SHE WAS ASLEEP, SO WHY LOOK INTO OTHERS AT THIS POINT? YOU SAY THE PEOPLE SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN WITH HAD ALIBI'S. WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET BECAUSE MISTY HAS YET TO SAY SHE WAS OUT OR WITH WHO.

(If Misty had been hiding that she was out that night, why wud she not have fessed up when she was arrested for drugs in Jan 09. She was hysterical. She wud have already been made aware that Ron too was facing all kinds of time and she wud not have had to worry about him).

WHEN MISTY WAS ARRESTED FOR DRUGS IN JANUARY OF 09, MISTYS LOVE FOR RON WAS INTENSE. MAY NOT BE THE CASE RIGHT THIS MINUTE ( so I have heard) BUT BACK THEN, TO ADMIT WHAT SHE HAD DONE BY LEAVING IS NOT SERVING HER IN ANYWAY. TO MISTY, MISTY IS NOT MAKING THE CONNECTION THAT HER LEAVING HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH "HER" DIRECTLY IN HURTING/TAKING HALEIGH.. TO MISTY, COMING FORWARD WILL ONLY LEAVE HER IN BIGGER TROUBLE. IF YOU LEAVE ANY CHILD UNATTENDED FOR WHAT EVER THE REASON AND SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS, YOU BEST BELIEVE YOU'LL BE CHARGED.. MINOR OR NOT, SHE WASN'T 12. SHE WOULD BE TRIED AS AN ADULT.

(In the actions we saw from her early on.. we know that they told LE about the 3 day party leading up to the disappearance... Her behavior in those 3 days tells me that she or WBG or Nay Nay for that matter, dont seem consistent with ppl who are afraid of Ron)...

NOT SURE WHAT YOU ARE SAYING HERE AJ BUT I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT THE THREE DAY PARTY HAD ALOT TO DO WITH IT CONTINUING. I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT FOR NOW.

(If Misty did go out that night, someone had to have seen her/been with her... why has no one come forward? What wud the incentive be? Ron is in jail for along time... there is reward money.... why?)

IF MISTY WENT OUT WITH THOSE WHO WERE TRICKING MISTY TO LEAVE AND TO TAKE THE CHILD WITHOUT MISTY KNOWING THIS WAS "THEIR" PLAN, WHY WOULD ANYONE COME FORWARD? EXAMPLE- LETS SAY AMBER DID THIS FOR REVENGE.. THINK SHE SHOULD COME FORWARD AND SAY " I DID IT, HOW ABOUT THAT REWARD MONEY"?? IF NAY NAY DID IT "THINK SHE WOULD COME FORWARD AND SAY I DID IT, HOW ABOUT THAT REWARD MONEY? NO, THOSE WHO DID IT CERTAINLY ARE NOT GOING TO RAT THE OTHER OUT FOR IT WILL IMPLICATE THEMSELVES. I SAY TRICKING MISTY BY THINKING SOMEONE WENT TO THE TRAILER.. ( a possible friend) THAT MISTY THOUGHT WAS HER FRIEND AND THIS FRIEND SAYS, "LETS GO OUT, COME ON.. WE WONT' BE GONE LONG AND LOOK, BOTH JR. AND HALEIGH ARE SLEEPING, THEY WILL BE FINE" MISTY MAY IN FACT GOT HOME, GOT RIGHT INTO BED NOT REALIZING HALEIGH WAS ALREADY GONE SO WHEN MISTY DID WAKE UP SHE WOKE UP TO HALEIGH ACTUALLY BEING GONE AND WITNESSING THE BACK DOOR PROPPED OPEN.

At first, I thought it was plausible, but for so much time to have passed where there are so mnay good reasons that someone (even herself) wud have had to come clean by now, make it seem that it is very unlikely...I realize nothing is impossible but if I weigh out the likeliness, it just seems crazy to think that Misty or someone wud not have come forward by now..especially when even though it wud have been so obviously irresponsible, it sure wudnt have made her become or look guilty of hurting Haleigh)..

LIKE I SAID BEFORE AJ, IF MISTY WAS ENTIRELY INNOCENT WITH THE THEORY SHE HAS BEEN SAYING, THEN WHY IN GODS NAME CAN'T SHE PASS A LIE DETECTORS TEST. EVEN HER VERY OWN FLESH AND BLOOD PARENTS BELIEVE SHE IS HOLDING INFORMATION BACK. NOT IN REGARDS TO HURTING THE CHILD INTENTIONALLY, BUT LEAVING IMPORTANT INFORMATION OUT. THE ONLY THING THAT FITS TO ME AJ, IS MISTY IN FACT WENT OUT. I FIND IT ODD TOO THAT THERE'S TALK OF A BLACK GUY SURFACING AND THE PHOTOS I HAVE, A BLACK GUY IS SEEN NEXT TO THE LITTLE GIRL IN QUESTION. NOT ONLY THAT, THIS LITTLE GIRL WAS WITNESSED BY ME TO TAKE A HUGE LIKING TO HIM WHEN HE WAS LEAVING BY CONSTANTLY WAVING THEN APPEARING SADDENED WHEN HE WAS OUT OF SIGHT. WHEN THIS BLACK GUY APPEARED AT THE SLIDER, HE NEVER GAVE THE LITTLE GIRL ANY ATTENTION AT ALL. HE NEVER EVEN ACKNOWLEGED HER AND YET THIS LITTLE GIRL TREATED HIM SO MUCH DIFFERENTLY. IT COULD ALL BE COINCEDENTAL, BUT I SWEAR IF IT IS, ITS THE MOST COINCIDENTAL THINGS I HAVE EVER BEEN THROUGH AND WITNESSED REPEATEDLY WITH THAT AND OTHER THINGS.

(After watching footage of her, I see an honesty about her that I doubt she cud lie for this long)...

ITS NOT THAT SHE'S LIEING IN MY OPINION, ITS A FEELING THAT MISTY IS LEAVING OUT HER OWN ASIDE INVOLVEMENT THAT NIGHT. WHEN THIS ALL CAME DOWN ON MISTY, HER VERY FIRST WORDS WERE " I WAS ASLEEP", I ALSO PICKED UP ON HER TALKING ABOUT TWO FRIENDS THAT MISTY NOW KNEW WERE NOT HER FRIENDS. WAS MISTY FEELING SHE SHOULD HAVE NEVER WENT OUT THAT NIGHT? PROBABLY. THINK MISTY WOULD COME CLEAN AND RETRACT THAT? I DONT SEE THAT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IF SHE ADMITS SHE LEFT AND HALEIGH IS FOUND HARMED.. (this was her thinking back then).. THEN YES SHE KNOWS SHE'D BE IN HOT WATER.. ALSO, IF MISTY POINTED THE FINGER AT AMBER AND NAY NAY THE VERY FIRST TIME SHE WAS QUESTIONED, THEN MISTY HAD TO WORRY ABOUT ALL THAT NAY NAY AND AMBER KNEW ABOUT WBG THAT WAS NOT MADE MENTION TO WITH RON AT THAT TIME. MISTY JUST DECIDED NOT TO SAY ANYTHING AT ALL AND I FEEL TO THIS DAY, MISTY IS NOT SEEING THE IMPORTANCE OF SAYING IT BECAUSE MISTY KNOWS SHE HERSELF DIDN'T HARM HER SO WHY BOTHER SAYING IT.

(In other words by now it seems more doubtful that she went out... Nothing has supported that and by now if that were the case, something shud have come up now)..

WHAT SUPPORTS MY THEORY OR EVEN ANOTHER THEORY, IS 1) ALL THE FAILED TESTS 2) MISTY'S VERY OWN PARENTS BELIEVE SHE IS HOLDING SOMETHING BACK. FOR THE FACT MISTY CAN'T TELL WHO DID IT, THEN WHAT ELSE IS LEFT OTHER THEN SHE WENT OUT AND HAS NO CLUE WHO TOOK HER. OR MISTY KNOWS WHO DID IT, WHICH I RULE OUT BECAUSE SHE TRIED TO SAY JOE AND NOW, SHE'S SAYING ITS WHAT EVERYONE ELSE WAS SAYING AND AFTER AWHILE, YOU TEND TO BELIEVE JUST THAT.. WHICH IS WHY SHE SAID IT BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, THAT DOESN'T HOLD WATER.

(Also, more evidence that Misty has never lied is that if she did, LE wud have arrested her for obstruction and lying (like they did in the KC case) and wud not have had to set her up with drugs when she turned 18)...

OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE IN THIS CASE CAN'T BE HANDED DOWN "YET" UNTIL THE TRUTH COMES OUT WITH EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT. LIE DECTORS TESTS ARE ONLY A TOOL AND CAN'T BE USED IN A COURT OF LAW. YOU CAN'T BE CHARGED FOR LIES UNTIL THOSE LIES CAN BE PROVEN AS SUCH. CASEY'S LIES WERE PROVEN TO BE LIES. CASEY EVEN ADMITTED TO SOME OF HER OWN LIES AS WELL ESPECIALLY WHEN CASEY ADMITTED TO LEADING LE ON A WILD GOOSE CHASE. CASEY SAID " I KNOW I LIED" AND RIGHT THERE, ADMISSION OF GUILT. MISTY IS NOT SAYING SHE LIED. MISTY IS KEEPING SOMETHING BACK AND YOU CAN'T ARREST SOMEONE ON WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT SOMETHING IS.

(Also, I am curious to know your thoughts on cases where the victim is taken out of the house by a perp when everyone is sleeping? I want to add that I realize in these types of crimes, the perps may have been known to the family where the family had no idea who took the child as they were asleep)...

ITS OBVIOUS THERE ARE CASES SUCH AS THAT AJ. MARC KLASS FOR ONE, BUT HE PASSED A LIE DETECTORS TEST BECAUSE HE HAD NOTHING TO HIDE. IF MISTY JUST PASSED ONE OR ANY TEST OF ANY KIND, THIS CASE WOULD NOT BE WHERE ITS AT RIGHT NOW AND IF SHE PASSED, ID BE THINKING THE SAME AS YOU DO. I THINK IF A PERP TOOK HALEIGH, HER BODY WOULD HAVE BEEN FOUND BY THE CADAVER DOGS BY NOW.
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Ok, I hope that explains my thinking on why I think what I am. I felt the need to break it down better hope you don't mind. I want to add that I feel Misty called "Timmy".. the one who fled to Massachusetts months later because I don't believe he's the only innocent Croslin. If misty did in fact call Timmy, is it unheard of to assume she called in a panic, told him Haleigh is gone and Timmy decided to stage it so it wouldn't leave Misty in huge trouble for leaving? after all, Timmy was in the same house where the Van was reportedly moved. Maybe it was Timmy to grab a brick and go over to do that. Also, if you recall, Misty was telling Chelsea in a phone (jail house) recording that this was going to hurt 2 people and the way I took that call was Misty was telling " Chelsea" it was going to hurt HER and someone else. She also told Chelsea to think hard because it should make sense. Everyone keeps thinking the two misty is talking about is Tommy and Joe or Tommy and someone else. Why would that hurt Chelsea like Misty was saying? I think Misty was referring to Timmy as one of those people. Chelsea is only the wife to Timmy, why would Chelsea really care so much about Tommy or even cousin Joe. Yep, Tommy is also Timmy's brother but I really do believe the way Misty was saying it was to prepare Chelsea about the worst, if it ever came out that Timmy was the one she called before 911 and timmy was the one to help Misty's indirect involvement. jmho. sorry this post is so lengthy.

Butterfly~ Welcome! I always enjoy sinking my teeth into a fresh point of view on this case!

I would say one thing, though: At this point if I were Misty I don't think I could pass a polygraph test. She's dazed and confused. She wants to give them what they want, mainly to save her own behind, but I don't find that unreasonable. As long as it's the truth. But I don't think even Misty knows what the truth is anymore. I don't think she 'holds the key.'

Also: Remember this conversation from recent tapes (this is Misty talkin to her dad):

Misty: It's just, I don't know...you want ta...in my mind it's just like, you know, people keep saying "this person, this person" so in your mind you're like "well, hey! It's that person" you actually start to believe it..like with JO..they ..ug...ak...I just want to believe it...that because it's what I keep hearing and it makes sense to what happened but I don't know for 100% that it was him...I don't know."

I can totally see that being the case.

I also don't think Cousin Joe does. I call BS on that whole finger-pointing exercise that the Croslins pulled off in unison trying to distract attention from themselves. Honestly, I think Timmy and Ronald hold the key. I think they are up to their eyeballs in this...... but that's just my opinion.

Looking forward to hearing more from ya on this subject!

kh

Here is an interesting and heartfelt post that I came across at:

http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2010/05/is-end-for-misty-and-company-near.html

I am not saying I agree with everything this poster has said- but it is a very well thought out post on a subject that is obviously near and dear to the author's heart. Let me know what you think! Let's talk!!!!


Thursday, May 27, 2010
Is the End for Misty and Company Near?

It very well may nearing the beginning of the end for the Misty Croslin crew.

Here is why:

The first shot fired was the sentencing of Hope Sykes. This young teen received a stunning sentence of 15 years in prison for her part of the prescription drug dealing even though she appeared in the video as a "bit role"; not nearly as prominent as Ronald and Misty. (Anyone else notice how lucid and quick thinking Misty appeared to be on the police video which is in stark contrast to her jail appearances? For long term abuse, this is an indicator that while in the car, she was under the influence).

Hope Sykes will be in prison for what many people believe to be the prime years of life; the years when a child becomes an adult, concludes education, seeks employment, marries and begins to raise a family of her own. If she serves her full sentence, she will spend these precious years in prison; years when many Americans graduate from college, work full time, marry, and have their children, take videos and enjoy the American dream. Hope will be 33 years old when her sentence concludes and will have missed those things that are enjoyed by many. It is tragic. It is sad to me when I see youngsters, who, by age 10, for instance, have never been made to do their homework, nor chores, and know little outside of television. They don't read, they play video games. The dedicated teachers have terrible frustration knowing that if they cannot enlist the parents' help in forming responsible habits, the life awaiting the 10 year old may prove bleak.

Societies that have prospered have been those that reward production. Societies that award being stagnate and eventually fail.

When I was a boy, a trophy was rewarded for striving for excellence and obtaining. Today, a trophy is often rewarded for showing up or "maintaining a pulse".

Hope Sykes never had a chance.

Not that this dismisses responsibility, nor does it cast blame on society. As a parent, if I choose to abdicate my responsibilities my children will also fail. They will not have a chance in life, either.

The same is seen in the Croslin clan. Misty's parents worked hard at avoiding work and avoiding responsibility and it may be that mom, dad, brothers and sister will all, collectively, be in prison. I can almost feel the frustration of Misty's kindergarten teacher, who begged Lisa to read to Misty, but all Lisa was interested in was her next high. Misty joked that her parents were both nicknamed "crackhead". It isn't funny.

Ronald Cummings wasn't raised by his mother; but was removed from her care.

No matter how offended Nancy Grace was recently in her defense of Ronald, Ronald lied about domestic violence and drugs in the hours after Misty went missing. Ronald and Misty are facing LONG sentences in connection to the drug trafficking. Ronald would LOVE to have only 15 years.

Is a deal in the making?

Tommy is also scared. He is not only facing a long time in prison, he placed himself at the crime scene which is now characterized as a homicide investigation.

Let's Make a Deal is about to begin.

However, there is an additional element that may throw it all into chaos:

A Grand Jury convened to get answers.

Remember, there is much we don't know that has been redacted (the early calls) as well as the Ronald interviews and polygraphs.

I think a Grand Jury is soon to be called and I expect indictments to be handed down in the disappearance and death of Haleigh Cummings.

I expect a Grand Jury to be convened soon.

We are reaching the crossroads:

Misty has changed her story repeatedly, including the "wrong river" story.
Tommy has changed his story repeatedly, including he was there, he was not there. His lawyer said that Tommy knows that Haleigh died there.
Ronald is rumored to have made a deal for 15 years. 15 years? He is "settling" for 15 years? Since it appears that the video tape that the undercover police have settles all question of guilt or innocence, and there are mandatory minimum sentence guidelines, the
PROSECUTION HAS NO NEED TO BARGAIN, that is, in the drug dealing case.

However, 16 months with no resolution on the Haleigh Cummings case appears to motivate them for a deal.
This means Ronald knows. It is something Statement Analysis shows clearly:

Ronald knows.

Apparently, Ronald knows something of such value that prosecution is wiling to make a deal when they have little need to make a deal. This speaks to the value of the information.

Ronald's court date is in July (see comments section for details)

I think a Grand Jury may be called very close to the date of Ronald's court date.

Is the end for Misty and company approaching?

AW: I have never heard Misty say she was at the river either. One thing I do agree with that writer about is that this case will be prosecuted and chargges will be made. About time if you ask me. kh

Well all I can say is she sure is guilty of the drug charges...I don't see how she can weasel her way out of them...unless if this were her first offense and she wound up with an understanding judge who will send her to a mandatory residential rehab program...Don't know anything about the judges in her neck of the woods...but if I were her I'd try to work out a deal...Ron isn't going to stand by her in this...he's probably gonna say she dragged him into it... but then again she could just as easily say he forced her into making these drug deals...No matter what...she is caught on tape...and it's gonna be rough ride...

Estee~ Personally, I think anyone who thinks that Misty was the 'brainz' of this operation iz plum nutz. Misty couln't have been the brainz of any operation, or cover up for that matter. kh

PS: Speaking of Anette Sykes- her contention that she came by the mobile home that night and saw Haleigh.. Does Misty ever confirm that? I re-watched the voice stress test earlier and she recounts what she did the entire day when Haleigh disappeared...and she NEVER mentioned Annette Sykes coming by in the clips I saw.

Agree with you, kh. Convenient that the "witnesses" are part of Ron's clan, and they say that Haleigh was seen alive after Ron-boy left for wirk. And that's why Ron called Misty about 20 times that night. Was he trying to make sure Misty memorized the story concocted for her. When push comes to shove, Teresa and Annette are both going to shove Misty under the bus to save Ron-boy.

Disclaimer: I think AH is full of himself and just makes stuff up- and NG buys it hook, line and sinker. What do you guys think? kh


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