Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
5 posters
Page 1 of 1
Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
Cali was kind enough to send me this link which is an extremely interesting find! Keep in mind that this article was written on 02/15/2009- only 5 days after Haleigh's disappearance! Reading back over it, I find some of the author's impressions quite remarkable given what we now know, nearly 16 months later.
The article is very lengthy, so I am posting the beginning of it and you can review the complete article here:
http://www.eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html
Sunday, February 15, 2009
Ronald Cummings, Misty Croslin and Little Haleigh
Many, many, many of you have asked me to review the case of missing Haleigh Cummings. She went missing last Monday night from her home, and hasn't been seen or found since. Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin, tell us that Croslin put Haleigh to sleep, later went to sleep herself, and when she woke up to use the bathroom in the middle of the night, she found the kitchen light on, Haleigh was gone, and the back door was wide open, propped by a brick.
When I watch Cummings and Croslin speak, many things jump out at me. They are so numerous, I don't have the space here to write them all out, but I will identify a few things I've noted:
When I first saw Ronald Cummings crying in his first plea for his daughter, several things jumped out at me. His crying episode was eerily reminiscent of a child's cry. Most adults don't cry like children. He whined, and acted out of breath, yet he wasn't. It was notable and perplexing.
Yet he did sound truly congested; however, no tears fell from his face. Later on, however, he did cry very genuine and sincere tears, and the pouting cry notably changes into a regular cry. I find his behavior inconsistent here, and I can't explain it. Is he under the influence of something? He seems really glassy-eyed.
I am also immediately struck by how he portrays no composure of hope in this interview. He seems to have zero hope that his daughter could still be alive. Why isn't he hanging onto the fact that if he and others get out there, they can potentially find her? This disturbs me.
Why isn't he talking to his daughter on camera? "Haleigh, I'm here for you, if you are watching this. I'm going to find you." Does he even think about her being out there, and watching the news? Why isn't he thinking about being strong for her?
When I see this interview, it seems to be more about Cummings being devastated than finding Haleigh. It's like he is feeling sorry for himself. Why? This is odd. Haleigh's mom, ironically, does talk to her daughter on camera, as I would expect any parent would, if they feared their daughter was kidnapped. She says, "Everybody's here for you. If you're watching these, your momma misses you, daddy misses you ... your whole family misses you and we will bring you home" (source).
At time marker 1:15, Cummings drops down to the ground crying. This is so unusual for an adult to do. Children do this, but how many adults have you seen do this? Especially when the news is not conclusively devastating yet? How come everyone else who loved Haleigh is so composed and acting "normally", but Cummings is not? Here his cry is very shallow. It's not believable for me. If I re-look at this with the angle that Cummings could be feeling sorry for himself, it makes more sense.
He says, "I know somebody took my little girl...some sorry piece of trash that will be wasted when it's all over." This is baffling to me. Haleigh was once found floating in a nearby waterway and nearly drowned, so how could he so conclusively rule this out? How can he so confidently rule out that Haleigh didn't wander away, that he didn't lock the door as he thought he did, that when Croslin's relatives came to visit earlier that night, that they didn't unlock another door or open a window when he was away?
Would you as a parent be so certain about this, especially since you know your daughter wandered away before? This bothers me.
At one point, Cummings says, "All I want is my children…All I want is my child back.” I thought this was very unusual. Another day, he talks about how others are making this situation all about a custody issue. That was really strange, but if we pair that, with this statement above, you have to wonder, is he afraid he won't have either of his children, perhaps, due to something he has done here? Then this strange slip might actually make sense, wouldn't it?
Then he says something that unnerved me in a huge way. Cummings says, "I’d give my life for my child’s life back.”
What? Why is he saying this? It makes no sense. Is that why his cry is so confusing? Does he fake concern and worry, and then really cry over what he may know already happened to his daughter? You would think he would have said instead, "I'd give my life for my child back", but that is NOT what he says. Does this indicate that he believes his daughter is not alive? Is that why he thought earlier, "All I want is my children..." because he fears if the truth comes out, he will lose them, or at least his remaining son?
It's troubling, to say the least.
Notice how Cummings reiterates that he is trying to do the best he can, that someone stole his child while he was at work? Is he building an alibi? Setting a timeline? Why isn't he focusing his energy on getting Haleigh back instead of feeling sorry for himself? Most parents of missing children are focused on getting their children, and don't care at all about themselves, but Cummings is notably different. Most parents know they have to be strong for their children, and work to bring them home. Why not Cummings?
The reporter then asks, "Can I ask when you noticed the back door was open, and if that was what kind of alerted you to something?" Just before the reporter asks Cummings this, he is crying, sobbing and somber. Then listen to Cummings' response to the question. His demeanor and voice change dramatically. It's very notable and very alarming for me. You don't stop crying and change your entire demeanor when you are deeply sobbing and in pain like Cummings wants us to believe he is. You just don't do it, yet oddly Cummings does. Cummings says in an angry, deep and controlled tone, "No. My girlfriend was awake at 3 o'clock in the morning when I got off of work." When he says this, there is a deep anger in Cummings' voice that appears out of nowhere. It's chilling. Clearly, this question got Cummings angry. Why would that be?
Later in the interview, Cummings says very strangely and out of nowhere, when he deeply sobs, "I do plan to take the trash out when it is time." This blindsides you. It's not related to anything being said at the time. It's like Cummings is in his own world. I am sure like most people, at first you think, what is he talking about?? It's absolutely perplexing.
But when I watch him say it and watch his emotions, he shows pure destitution in his face. Like someone sold his soul. It's absolutely haunting. I can't help but wonder, is this some type of warning he is contemplating suicide "when it is time"? Perhaps, if he were to get caught?
What else could this statement mean? Is he warning us? Is he under the influence of drugs here and extra emotional? Also, just after he says it, and thinks about it, he also shows true distress and sadness on his face. It's alarming and notable. But when the reporter asks the next question, all of these genuine emotions fade away again.
The reporter asks, what would you say to people who may have information out there? Notice Cummings doesn't even think to talk to his daughter again. Why?
Both Cummings and Croslin's body language in all the videos I see displays a sense of defeat. They are hunched over. Their shoulders come forward. They physically look down, and act subdued. It appears they have no hope whatsoever, again and again, that Cummings' daughter will be returned to them. This strikes me as very odd. Why aren't they tense, nervous and anxious to find her? That would be normal. They should be on edge that things might not happen fast enough, yet there is no urgency with these two. Anyone can spot that? Why aren't these two on a mission to find Haleigh? Compare their behavior to that of George and Cindy Anthony. It's notably different..........
The article is very lengthy, so I am posting the beginning of it and you can review the complete article here:
http://www.eyesforlies.blogspot.com/2009/02/ronald-cummings-misty-croslin-and.html
Sunday, February 15, 2009
Ronald Cummings, Misty Croslin and Little Haleigh
Many, many, many of you have asked me to review the case of missing Haleigh Cummings. She went missing last Monday night from her home, and hasn't been seen or found since. Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, and his girlfriend, Misty Croslin, tell us that Croslin put Haleigh to sleep, later went to sleep herself, and when she woke up to use the bathroom in the middle of the night, she found the kitchen light on, Haleigh was gone, and the back door was wide open, propped by a brick.
When I watch Cummings and Croslin speak, many things jump out at me. They are so numerous, I don't have the space here to write them all out, but I will identify a few things I've noted:
When I first saw Ronald Cummings crying in his first plea for his daughter, several things jumped out at me. His crying episode was eerily reminiscent of a child's cry. Most adults don't cry like children. He whined, and acted out of breath, yet he wasn't. It was notable and perplexing.
Yet he did sound truly congested; however, no tears fell from his face. Later on, however, he did cry very genuine and sincere tears, and the pouting cry notably changes into a regular cry. I find his behavior inconsistent here, and I can't explain it. Is he under the influence of something? He seems really glassy-eyed.
I am also immediately struck by how he portrays no composure of hope in this interview. He seems to have zero hope that his daughter could still be alive. Why isn't he hanging onto the fact that if he and others get out there, they can potentially find her? This disturbs me.
Why isn't he talking to his daughter on camera? "Haleigh, I'm here for you, if you are watching this. I'm going to find you." Does he even think about her being out there, and watching the news? Why isn't he thinking about being strong for her?
When I see this interview, it seems to be more about Cummings being devastated than finding Haleigh. It's like he is feeling sorry for himself. Why? This is odd. Haleigh's mom, ironically, does talk to her daughter on camera, as I would expect any parent would, if they feared their daughter was kidnapped. She says, "Everybody's here for you. If you're watching these, your momma misses you, daddy misses you ... your whole family misses you and we will bring you home" (source).
At time marker 1:15, Cummings drops down to the ground crying. This is so unusual for an adult to do. Children do this, but how many adults have you seen do this? Especially when the news is not conclusively devastating yet? How come everyone else who loved Haleigh is so composed and acting "normally", but Cummings is not? Here his cry is very shallow. It's not believable for me. If I re-look at this with the angle that Cummings could be feeling sorry for himself, it makes more sense.
He says, "I know somebody took my little girl...some sorry piece of trash that will be wasted when it's all over." This is baffling to me. Haleigh was once found floating in a nearby waterway and nearly drowned, so how could he so conclusively rule this out? How can he so confidently rule out that Haleigh didn't wander away, that he didn't lock the door as he thought he did, that when Croslin's relatives came to visit earlier that night, that they didn't unlock another door or open a window when he was away?
Would you as a parent be so certain about this, especially since you know your daughter wandered away before? This bothers me.
At one point, Cummings says, "All I want is my children…All I want is my child back.” I thought this was very unusual. Another day, he talks about how others are making this situation all about a custody issue. That was really strange, but if we pair that, with this statement above, you have to wonder, is he afraid he won't have either of his children, perhaps, due to something he has done here? Then this strange slip might actually make sense, wouldn't it?
Then he says something that unnerved me in a huge way. Cummings says, "I’d give my life for my child’s life back.”
What? Why is he saying this? It makes no sense. Is that why his cry is so confusing? Does he fake concern and worry, and then really cry over what he may know already happened to his daughter? You would think he would have said instead, "I'd give my life for my child back", but that is NOT what he says. Does this indicate that he believes his daughter is not alive? Is that why he thought earlier, "All I want is my children..." because he fears if the truth comes out, he will lose them, or at least his remaining son?
It's troubling, to say the least.
Notice how Cummings reiterates that he is trying to do the best he can, that someone stole his child while he was at work? Is he building an alibi? Setting a timeline? Why isn't he focusing his energy on getting Haleigh back instead of feeling sorry for himself? Most parents of missing children are focused on getting their children, and don't care at all about themselves, but Cummings is notably different. Most parents know they have to be strong for their children, and work to bring them home. Why not Cummings?
The reporter then asks, "Can I ask when you noticed the back door was open, and if that was what kind of alerted you to something?" Just before the reporter asks Cummings this, he is crying, sobbing and somber. Then listen to Cummings' response to the question. His demeanor and voice change dramatically. It's very notable and very alarming for me. You don't stop crying and change your entire demeanor when you are deeply sobbing and in pain like Cummings wants us to believe he is. You just don't do it, yet oddly Cummings does. Cummings says in an angry, deep and controlled tone, "No. My girlfriend was awake at 3 o'clock in the morning when I got off of work." When he says this, there is a deep anger in Cummings' voice that appears out of nowhere. It's chilling. Clearly, this question got Cummings angry. Why would that be?
Later in the interview, Cummings says very strangely and out of nowhere, when he deeply sobs, "I do plan to take the trash out when it is time." This blindsides you. It's not related to anything being said at the time. It's like Cummings is in his own world. I am sure like most people, at first you think, what is he talking about?? It's absolutely perplexing.
But when I watch him say it and watch his emotions, he shows pure destitution in his face. Like someone sold his soul. It's absolutely haunting. I can't help but wonder, is this some type of warning he is contemplating suicide "when it is time"? Perhaps, if he were to get caught?
What else could this statement mean? Is he warning us? Is he under the influence of drugs here and extra emotional? Also, just after he says it, and thinks about it, he also shows true distress and sadness on his face. It's alarming and notable. But when the reporter asks the next question, all of these genuine emotions fade away again.
The reporter asks, what would you say to people who may have information out there? Notice Cummings doesn't even think to talk to his daughter again. Why?
Both Cummings and Croslin's body language in all the videos I see displays a sense of defeat. They are hunched over. Their shoulders come forward. They physically look down, and act subdued. It appears they have no hope whatsoever, again and again, that Cummings' daughter will be returned to them. This strikes me as very odd. Why aren't they tense, nervous and anxious to find her? That would be normal. They should be on edge that things might not happen fast enough, yet there is no urgency with these two. Anyone can spot that? Why aren't these two on a mission to find Haleigh? Compare their behavior to that of George and Cindy Anthony. It's notably different..........
khintx- Posts : 4022
Join date : 2009-10-15
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
Great link, kh!
I didn't know Haleigh had once wandered off and almost drowned! Are there any more details on this episode?
I didn't know Haleigh had once wandered off and almost drowned! Are there any more details on this episode?
LottieM- Posts : 1725
Join date : 2010-03-01
Location : ridin' my bike....duh
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
I'm lookin around for first interview vids...
Here is the one you are asking about:
(PS: Don't thank me, thank Cali! This was her find!) kh
Here is the one you are asking about:
(PS: Don't thank me, thank Cali! This was her find!) kh
khintx- Posts : 4022
Join date : 2009-10-15
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
http://www.news4jax.com/video/18684460/index.html
Here is one of the "emotional videos" of Ron, I think this one was 02/10 or 02/11, and I think this is one that EyesForLies was watching.
kh
Here is one of the "emotional videos" of Ron, I think this one was 02/10 or 02/11, and I think this is one that EyesForLies was watching.
kh
khintx- Posts : 4022
Join date : 2009-10-15
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
AHHHHHHH~ Awaiting Justice! I knew you would come!
En garde my friend!!! Let's get down to it!
kh
En garde my friend!!! Let's get down to it!
kh
khintx- Posts : 4022
Join date : 2009-10-15
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
Let me say that the above interview with Ron and his mom never sat right with me. That's just me. Neither did this one:
To me (and this is just my opinion)- both of these interviews reaked to me of Susan Smith boo-hooing when she knew damned well she strapped her own kids in her car and drowned them.
My heart broke for Teresa N, she appeared to be in so much pain. But those other two yahoos? No. Sumthin definitey made my crap-o-meter go ding, ding, ding.
kh
To me (and this is just my opinion)- both of these interviews reaked to me of Susan Smith boo-hooing when she knew damned well she strapped her own kids in her car and drowned them.
My heart broke for Teresa N, she appeared to be in so much pain. But those other two yahoos? No. Sumthin definitey made my crap-o-meter go ding, ding, ding.
kh
khintx- Posts : 4022
Join date : 2009-10-15
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
I have no idea who writes EyesForLies or what her pedigree is in the area of reading body language or being a 'human lie detector.' She is enjoyable to read whether you agree with her or not, and I do enjoy reading her "takes" on current events/people in the news. kh
khintx- Posts : 4022
Join date : 2009-10-15
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
"Is he under the influence of drugs here and extra emotional?"
It seems plausible for me to assume a victim of crime wud absolutley be sedated. I do not believe that Ron waited until 13 months after his daughter went missing to start using drugs. I think he has been a chronic substance abuser for a while. "Self medication" would not be a new thing for him. I believe I heard TN tell NG that he was sedated and not coping well. TN has made many conflicting statements and I believe she will support her son 'no matter what' even if he is implicated in her granddaughter's disappearance/murder. I think it is a no brainer to imagine ppl in this horrific situatiuon wud need something.... I would I find it telling of this writers character, to ask such a question and not assume that anyone wud be drugged or at least have something offered. As I said before, I don't think Ron was sedated by a physician but rather depended on his own self-prescribing behavior. Very early on in this case Ron vehemently denied using or selling illicit drugs. We saw what happened after that.
It seems plausible for me to assume a victim of crime wud absolutley be sedated. I do not believe that Ron waited until 13 months after his daughter went missing to start using drugs. I think he has been a chronic substance abuser for a while. "Self medication" would not be a new thing for him. I believe I heard TN tell NG that he was sedated and not coping well. TN has made many conflicting statements and I believe she will support her son 'no matter what' even if he is implicated in her granddaughter's disappearance/murder. I think it is a no brainer to imagine ppl in this horrific situatiuon wud need something.... I would I find it telling of this writers character, to ask such a question and not assume that anyone wud be drugged or at least have something offered. As I said before, I don't think Ron was sedated by a physician but rather depended on his own self-prescribing behavior. Very early on in this case Ron vehemently denied using or selling illicit drugs. We saw what happened after that.
khintx- Posts : 4022
Join date : 2009-10-15
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
The writer goes on to say Ron never made a plea for his daughter... I wonder if the writer even saw half of the clips and interviews before writing such a misleading inaccurate account?
...........................................................................................
Fair enuf. Maybe she shudda wrote "Ron never made a believable plea for his daughter." This is, after all, an opinion piece... and, like @ssholes, everybody out there's got one! ESPECIALLY when it comes to this case. kh
...........................................................................................
Fair enuf. Maybe she shudda wrote "Ron never made a believable plea for his daughter." This is, after all, an opinion piece... and, like @ssholes, everybody out there's got one! ESPECIALLY when it comes to this case. kh
khintx- Posts : 4022
Join date : 2009-10-15
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
I luv, luv, luv talkin to ya about this case, AJ. xxoo kh
khintx- Posts : 4022
Join date : 2009-10-15
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
Now, while I admit that EyesforLies took quite bit of literary license in writing this article,
What I find most fascinating is how much has happened since then.
And when you compare what we know now (not enough or too much? probably the latter) about the players involved in this case and their situations THEN and compare it to what we know NOW, some 16 months later, well, I just find it very interesting that so many of her points and impressions have been tossled over (sometimes quite vigorously) by blog/chatter/truecrime sites in very great detail over the ensuing months.
So, in that respect (and from a strictly historical standpoint), I do find it a very intriguing article.
kh
What I find most fascinating is how much has happened since then.
And when you compare what we know now (not enough or too much? probably the latter) about the players involved in this case and their situations THEN and compare it to what we know NOW, some 16 months later, well, I just find it very interesting that so many of her points and impressions have been tossled over (sometimes quite vigorously) by blog/chatter/truecrime sites in very great detail over the ensuing months.
So, in that respect (and from a strictly historical standpoint), I do find it a very intriguing article.
kh
khintx- Posts : 4022
Join date : 2009-10-15
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
you defend the writer by using the defense of Ron having drug charges 13 months after yet the writer wrote this piece (of garbage LOL) only 5 days after the crime occurred....
No. I just meant that I think Ron self-prescribed for quite some time up until that point (be it beer, pot or illicit drugs) and continued to do so.
She has said all along that Ron picked up Haleigh after school and that she believes Misty wud never hurt Haleigh or the kids.. I do hope you leave room for hysteria ...she is only human and has lost her grandchild...
But there are other accounts to the contrary. And, yes, I do have a great amount of sympathy for Teresa. But I am not sure she's playin it straight with LE, mainly because she wants to protect her one-and-only son who she loves so very dearly.
On account that Ron was gaainfully employed (and operating a crane) at the time of the disappearance, it doesnt seem plausible that he wud be operating heavy equipment with a major drug abuse problem (and holding down a job) ..
RU serious? Do you honestly believe that daily drug users can't hold down jobs? Or pass required drug tests? Or that they give one good hoot about "operating heavy equipment" safely while they're doin it?
I am not surprised that Ron and Misty were easily led by a kingpin drug dealer to begin selling
Okay, big suprise, we disagree again (but most respectfully, as always). No one led them anywhere. They made their own choices and set their trajectory path to where they are now. It's the culture they have lived in, the one they've always known. The one they think is normal. What would have suprised me? If they had done a serious personal inventory and vowed to make their life better, now that wudda suprised me alright!
kh
No. I just meant that I think Ron self-prescribed for quite some time up until that point (be it beer, pot or illicit drugs) and continued to do so.
She has said all along that Ron picked up Haleigh after school and that she believes Misty wud never hurt Haleigh or the kids.. I do hope you leave room for hysteria ...she is only human and has lost her grandchild...
But there are other accounts to the contrary. And, yes, I do have a great amount of sympathy for Teresa. But I am not sure she's playin it straight with LE, mainly because she wants to protect her one-and-only son who she loves so very dearly.
On account that Ron was gaainfully employed (and operating a crane) at the time of the disappearance, it doesnt seem plausible that he wud be operating heavy equipment with a major drug abuse problem (and holding down a job) ..
RU serious? Do you honestly believe that daily drug users can't hold down jobs? Or pass required drug tests? Or that they give one good hoot about "operating heavy equipment" safely while they're doin it?
I am not surprised that Ron and Misty were easily led by a kingpin drug dealer to begin selling
Okay, big suprise, we disagree again (but most respectfully, as always). No one led them anywhere. They made their own choices and set their trajectory path to where they are now. It's the culture they have lived in, the one they've always known. The one they think is normal. What would have suprised me? If they had done a serious personal inventory and vowed to make their life better, now that wudda suprised me alright!
kh
khintx- Posts : 4022
Join date : 2009-10-15
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
Well, it's all or nuthin I guess.
Here is Part II of the EyesForLies article:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
News reports say that on the 911 call, Cummings was in a rage, and really worried about his daughter. I don't hear that in the call at all. I don't hear any indication of fear, stress or true and genuine alarm. I hear feigned anger, by his threats and choice of words.
Why did Croslin wait 30 minutes from waking up and finding Haleigh missing to alert someone of the possible abduction? Why didn't she summon for help earlier? Especially since she knows Haleigh once wandered off and nearly drowned before?
What predator is going to go into a house late at night, and risk taking one child out of a room full of people? Let's say Haleigh wandered outside; there should have been some proof of a door unlocked or something, but Cummings and Croslin deny that. They, instead, tell us that the door where the predator went out, had to be forced closed, that Haleigh couldn't open it, and couldn't reach the deadbolt. This tells us that the door likely stuck when you opened or closed it. That would likely mean the door made a fair amount of noise to open and close it, and it took some effort to open it, right? What predator would use that door?
What predator would turn on a light in the kitchen, risk announcing himself and make it possible to be clearly identified by someone in the house or outside? What predator would take the time to bring or find a cinder block, and take the time to prop the door open? How come there are no signs of forced entry into the home? To me, these are highly unlikely or implausible circumstances.
I also haven't seen Cummings or Croslin participate in any searches reported by any news agencies. Have I missed this? I have looked for it several times. Has anyone seen them help in the search? Post fliers, or go look for her themselves? If they haven't, why aren't they?
Cummings and Croslin have told two different stories of where Haleigh slept that night. This is interesting. You would think their stories would be the same. Cummings told Nancy Grace that Croslin slept in the same bed as the children on February 11. Then on February 12, Croslin says that Haleigh was in a different bed in the same room. Why aren't they getting their facts right?
Worse, when they are both on Greta van Susteren's show, Greta asks, "How far was Haleigh physically from you, Misty?" Croslin says, "Probably, like, not three or four inches away." Look at Cummings' eyes when Croslin talks. They are plastered towards Croslin though he doesn't turn his head. It's very controlling behavior. He is fascinating to watch.
Greta then asks Croslin how far they were apart a second time, and at that time, Cummings shakes his head in a side-to-side motion, indicating he is thinking "no". With that, Croslin backtracks and says, "No, um, I'm not sure. It wasn't that far away." Next, as Greta is talking again getting ready to ask another question, Cummings is trying to coach Croslin, and tell her what to say! I can't hear what he is saying, but why does he feel the need to do this? Cummings then says, "No, I know where the beds were at. They were about four feet apart from the edge of the bed she was in to the edge of the bed Haleigh was in."
These two can't even agree where the beds were placed in this room! Forget about who slept in what bed. This is a huge inconsistency. Clearly, both are capable of describing how far two beds are apart, but if the facts aren't true, we wouldn't be surprised to see such a discrepancy, would we?
Earlier on the Greta show, Greta asks Croslin who was closest to the back door: Haleigh or Croslin? Look how long it takes Croslin to answer that. She makes an "Hmmm...I don't know" expression. Why doesn't she know? She should spout the answer off without thought, but she doesn't. She finally answers and when she does, under his breath, Cummings says, "I'd like to comment." He doesn't say what is on his mind because Greta didn't hear him, but it shows he is controlling nonetheless, over and over.
Also in the Greta interview, Cummings says to Croslin, "Look at the camera" at one point. He gives us every indication he has a temper, and is very controlling and manipulative. Cummings also nods his head when hears what Croslin says at points in the interview, as if he approves. He is scrutinizing her every word, and Croslin knows it.
Croslin also keeps saying the same story over and over again. She says something to the effect that she got up, went to the bathroom, found the kitchen light on, and then she went back and found Haleigh was gone. She always finishes it with "That's all I know." I find her memory of that event is quite sparse and lacking. You would think she would remember more detail. When we recollect a story, oftentimes, we remember different details, or thoughts--things we were thinking at the time. Yet Croslin seems to have no "thinking memories" of her experience. It is more like she is talking from rote memory. She only repeats the same thing over and over again.
The same is true for her 911 call. The details are sketchy at best. Her memories don't flow logically. It doesn't make sense.
911: "911, what's your emergency"
Misty Croslin: "Hi...umm...we just woke up...and our back door was wide open, and we can't find our daughter."
We just woke up?
911: "OK, when did you last see her?"
Misty Croslin: "Um, we like just...you know...it was about 10 o'clock... we were...she was sleeping- I ...she?...cleaning...
Why doesn't she have normal recollections here?
I so hope I am wrong for Haleigh's sake. It doesn't look good from where I am sitting now.
Here is Part II of the EyesForLies article:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
News reports say that on the 911 call, Cummings was in a rage, and really worried about his daughter. I don't hear that in the call at all. I don't hear any indication of fear, stress or true and genuine alarm. I hear feigned anger, by his threats and choice of words.
Why did Croslin wait 30 minutes from waking up and finding Haleigh missing to alert someone of the possible abduction? Why didn't she summon for help earlier? Especially since she knows Haleigh once wandered off and nearly drowned before?
What predator is going to go into a house late at night, and risk taking one child out of a room full of people? Let's say Haleigh wandered outside; there should have been some proof of a door unlocked or something, but Cummings and Croslin deny that. They, instead, tell us that the door where the predator went out, had to be forced closed, that Haleigh couldn't open it, and couldn't reach the deadbolt. This tells us that the door likely stuck when you opened or closed it. That would likely mean the door made a fair amount of noise to open and close it, and it took some effort to open it, right? What predator would use that door?
What predator would turn on a light in the kitchen, risk announcing himself and make it possible to be clearly identified by someone in the house or outside? What predator would take the time to bring or find a cinder block, and take the time to prop the door open? How come there are no signs of forced entry into the home? To me, these are highly unlikely or implausible circumstances.
I also haven't seen Cummings or Croslin participate in any searches reported by any news agencies. Have I missed this? I have looked for it several times. Has anyone seen them help in the search? Post fliers, or go look for her themselves? If they haven't, why aren't they?
Cummings and Croslin have told two different stories of where Haleigh slept that night. This is interesting. You would think their stories would be the same. Cummings told Nancy Grace that Croslin slept in the same bed as the children on February 11. Then on February 12, Croslin says that Haleigh was in a different bed in the same room. Why aren't they getting their facts right?
Worse, when they are both on Greta van Susteren's show, Greta asks, "How far was Haleigh physically from you, Misty?" Croslin says, "Probably, like, not three or four inches away." Look at Cummings' eyes when Croslin talks. They are plastered towards Croslin though he doesn't turn his head. It's very controlling behavior. He is fascinating to watch.
Greta then asks Croslin how far they were apart a second time, and at that time, Cummings shakes his head in a side-to-side motion, indicating he is thinking "no". With that, Croslin backtracks and says, "No, um, I'm not sure. It wasn't that far away." Next, as Greta is talking again getting ready to ask another question, Cummings is trying to coach Croslin, and tell her what to say! I can't hear what he is saying, but why does he feel the need to do this? Cummings then says, "No, I know where the beds were at. They were about four feet apart from the edge of the bed she was in to the edge of the bed Haleigh was in."
These two can't even agree where the beds were placed in this room! Forget about who slept in what bed. This is a huge inconsistency. Clearly, both are capable of describing how far two beds are apart, but if the facts aren't true, we wouldn't be surprised to see such a discrepancy, would we?
Earlier on the Greta show, Greta asks Croslin who was closest to the back door: Haleigh or Croslin? Look how long it takes Croslin to answer that. She makes an "Hmmm...I don't know" expression. Why doesn't she know? She should spout the answer off without thought, but she doesn't. She finally answers and when she does, under his breath, Cummings says, "I'd like to comment." He doesn't say what is on his mind because Greta didn't hear him, but it shows he is controlling nonetheless, over and over.
Also in the Greta interview, Cummings says to Croslin, "Look at the camera" at one point. He gives us every indication he has a temper, and is very controlling and manipulative. Cummings also nods his head when hears what Croslin says at points in the interview, as if he approves. He is scrutinizing her every word, and Croslin knows it.
Croslin also keeps saying the same story over and over again. She says something to the effect that she got up, went to the bathroom, found the kitchen light on, and then she went back and found Haleigh was gone. She always finishes it with "That's all I know." I find her memory of that event is quite sparse and lacking. You would think she would remember more detail. When we recollect a story, oftentimes, we remember different details, or thoughts--things we were thinking at the time. Yet Croslin seems to have no "thinking memories" of her experience. It is more like she is talking from rote memory. She only repeats the same thing over and over again.
The same is true for her 911 call. The details are sketchy at best. Her memories don't flow logically. It doesn't make sense.
911: "911, what's your emergency"
Misty Croslin: "Hi...umm...we just woke up...and our back door was wide open, and we can't find our daughter."
We just woke up?
911: "OK, when did you last see her?"
Misty Croslin: "Um, we like just...you know...it was about 10 o'clock... we were...she was sleeping- I ...she?...cleaning...
Why doesn't she have normal recollections here?
I so hope I am wrong for Haleigh's sake. It doesn't look good from where I am sitting now.
khintx- Posts : 4022
Join date : 2009-10-15
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
We agree here, AJ. None of these people asked for their personal histories or their 'dirty laundry" to be braodcast far and wide. And if it was me? I wouldn't like it either. But, doesn't that kind of come with the territory? While I have made many mistakes in my life, if my kid was missing/dead, that would seem like a small price to pay to maybe help in getting her back.
Is it fair? NO. But, as we have seen in this case, there are many things that just aren't fair......... but we still have to make sense of it.
xxoo kh
Is it fair? NO. But, as we have seen in this case, there are many things that just aren't fair......... but we still have to make sense of it.
xxoo kh
khintx- Posts : 4022
Join date : 2009-10-15
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
Just to reiterate ..I do think Ron and Misty used drugs recreationally and drank also... I do think their lifestyle contributed in some way to Haleigh coming up missing that night.
I do think they were (are) a very dysfunctional social/family unit. But there are a million families like that out there in the world! But out of those one millions of families, how many of them acutally lose or misplace a kid? I'm not saying it is enough to charge and convict any of these peeps of a crime. I just think that everyone is worth that 2nd, 3rd or 4th look. Somebody knows what happened (And, a special PS: I don't think it's Misty!) kh
I do think they were (are) a very dysfunctional social/family unit. But there are a million families like that out there in the world! But out of those one millions of families, how many of them acutally lose or misplace a kid? I'm not saying it is enough to charge and convict any of these peeps of a crime. I just think that everyone is worth that 2nd, 3rd or 4th look. Somebody knows what happened (And, a special PS: I don't think it's Misty!) kh
khintx- Posts : 4022
Join date : 2009-10-15
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
It seems like ppl wud rather put an innocent person away, than be wrong about letting a guilty person go free.. I have a huge problem with that.. There are too many wrongful convictions ..
Again, I must respectfullty disagree. I have served on juries where the possible punishment if found guilty was severe. It was horrible. And believe me, it weighs heavily on a juror's mind.
My only thought during the whole trial was that this person's freedom, indeed their life as they knew it, was in our hands. If the prosectution did not prove it "beyond a reasonable doubt" then we knew what we had to do. If the prosectution proved their charges beyond a reasonable doubt, we also knew what we had to do. I think you may underestimate the burden that this puts on a normal person to evalute the evidence, render a verdict, and further to recommend a sentence for the accused.
Jurors aren't idiots. And even if you go in there thinking it's all going to be fun and games, the gravity of the situation closes in upon you fast and hard, and the responsibility of voting "yea" or "nay" is great. Further, voting in the penalty phase is even worse.
And having knowlege of a case before hand is common, but jurors don't promise they have never heard anything about a case. They just agree to evaluate the evidence presented without prejudice. We do it because we agree that, even having heard of the case or seen it on TV, we pledge to listen to the evidence presented and make our judgement based upon that evidence that is supported by fact.
I don't for one minute believe that people who believe, agree or disagree with opinions expressed on blogs or chats make a decion based on that. I just don't believe that for one minute.
kh
Again, I must respectfullty disagree. I have served on juries where the possible punishment if found guilty was severe. It was horrible. And believe me, it weighs heavily on a juror's mind.
My only thought during the whole trial was that this person's freedom, indeed their life as they knew it, was in our hands. If the prosectution did not prove it "beyond a reasonable doubt" then we knew what we had to do. If the prosectution proved their charges beyond a reasonable doubt, we also knew what we had to do. I think you may underestimate the burden that this puts on a normal person to evalute the evidence, render a verdict, and further to recommend a sentence for the accused.
Jurors aren't idiots. And even if you go in there thinking it's all going to be fun and games, the gravity of the situation closes in upon you fast and hard, and the responsibility of voting "yea" or "nay" is great. Further, voting in the penalty phase is even worse.
And having knowlege of a case before hand is common, but jurors don't promise they have never heard anything about a case. They just agree to evaluate the evidence presented without prejudice. We do it because we agree that, even having heard of the case or seen it on TV, we pledge to listen to the evidence presented and make our judgement based upon that evidence that is supported by fact.
I don't for one minute believe that people who believe, agree or disagree with opinions expressed on blogs or chats make a decion based on that. I just don't believe that for one minute.
kh
khintx- Posts : 4022
Join date : 2009-10-15
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
AJ: I must respectfully disagree.
When called upon to do one's civic duty (i.e. jury duty), it doesn't matter what you have heard or not heard, read or not read. In fact, in high profile cases, it is almost impossibe to find a jury of one's peers who has not heard or read anything at all about the case before them. The judicial instructions issued by the court and the judge charge the jury panel to put aside any preconcieved notions or predjudices, listen openly to the evidence that is presented by both sides, and make an informed decision based on that evidence alone which is submitted and permissible by both the prosecution and the defense.
I hardly think that "embelished inaccurate circumstantial evidence" presented by either side would sway a jury to swing one way or the other. Trials by jury are tricky at best, but do you really think that a jury would go one way or the other based on a blogger's account of the facts?
Give the jury system more credit than that. They can only weigh the evidence that is put before them in a court of law. The EVIDENCE will have to speak for itself, and the jury must ponder this evidence to render a verdict.
I hardly think that what one reads on the internet or in blog chats will render their decision moot. The jury can only take into consideration that which is presented during the trial. And I have every reason to believe that is what they will do.
kh
When called upon to do one's civic duty (i.e. jury duty), it doesn't matter what you have heard or not heard, read or not read. In fact, in high profile cases, it is almost impossibe to find a jury of one's peers who has not heard or read anything at all about the case before them. The judicial instructions issued by the court and the judge charge the jury panel to put aside any preconcieved notions or predjudices, listen openly to the evidence that is presented by both sides, and make an informed decision based on that evidence alone which is submitted and permissible by both the prosecution and the defense.
I hardly think that "embelished inaccurate circumstantial evidence" presented by either side would sway a jury to swing one way or the other. Trials by jury are tricky at best, but do you really think that a jury would go one way or the other based on a blogger's account of the facts?
Give the jury system more credit than that. They can only weigh the evidence that is put before them in a court of law. The EVIDENCE will have to speak for itself, and the jury must ponder this evidence to render a verdict.
I hardly think that what one reads on the internet or in blog chats will render their decision moot. The jury can only take into consideration that which is presented during the trial. And I have every reason to believe that is what they will do.
kh
khintx- Posts : 4022
Join date : 2009-10-15
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
I am with kh on most of the points she stressed, with the exception of Teresa Neves. I believe that Neves pushed her association with LE at every opportunity, to give more credulence to Ron's story. She wore a sweater/jacket with the unmistakable police star emblem on it in the first video shown here. I think that she showed up at the trailer after the 911 call much too quickly for her to have covered that distance if she was asleep at home. She would lie for her boy.
Am I too quick to judge? I guess anyone who disagrees with me could say that.
I also believe that our legal system with it's insistence on "beyond reasonable doubt" has allowed far too many guilty people to go free, as there was not sufficient proof for a conviction. How many people are actual witnesses to a murder, and appear in court to testify? Murder can be committed out of cold-blooded rage, and the killer is smart enough to make sure that no shread of evidence remains. Used to be one needed a body to prove murder. No more. There are too many dead bodies that have never and will never be discovered. That beyond reasonable doubt is damn unfair to the victim. I will always demand justice for the victim, and shed no tears for the accused that clearly has gotten away without paying for their crimes.
As for other comments...it is not "hatred" towards Ron or Misty that is being blogged about, I believe it is their behavior, drug use, and poor parenting which had been going on before Haleigh "disappeared". And Ron does have a cruel streak. In my state, whipping your child with a stick is not acceptable, it's child abuse.
Ron was due to answer to Haleigh's school system for her excessive absenteeism. There also was a new custody fight coming up. Ron certainly was not going to give up "his children" and the child support he was awarded, paid up-to-date or not.
I believe that Teresa threw her weight around and the local LE did not fully investigate the Cummings/Croslin trailer/behavior/alibis at the time of the 911 call.
I believe that Misty did not cause harm to Haleigh. If Ron really thought that Misty was responsible, he would have made sure that Misty turned up missing at the same time as it was reported that Haliegh was missing.
I do not regret forming my own opinions, and of stating them in blogs, and I won't call others prejudiced simply because they disagree with me.
Am I too quick to judge? I guess anyone who disagrees with me could say that.
I also believe that our legal system with it's insistence on "beyond reasonable doubt" has allowed far too many guilty people to go free, as there was not sufficient proof for a conviction. How many people are actual witnesses to a murder, and appear in court to testify? Murder can be committed out of cold-blooded rage, and the killer is smart enough to make sure that no shread of evidence remains. Used to be one needed a body to prove murder. No more. There are too many dead bodies that have never and will never be discovered. That beyond reasonable doubt is damn unfair to the victim. I will always demand justice for the victim, and shed no tears for the accused that clearly has gotten away without paying for their crimes.
As for other comments...it is not "hatred" towards Ron or Misty that is being blogged about, I believe it is their behavior, drug use, and poor parenting which had been going on before Haleigh "disappeared". And Ron does have a cruel streak. In my state, whipping your child with a stick is not acceptable, it's child abuse.
Ron was due to answer to Haleigh's school system for her excessive absenteeism. There also was a new custody fight coming up. Ron certainly was not going to give up "his children" and the child support he was awarded, paid up-to-date or not.
I believe that Teresa threw her weight around and the local LE did not fully investigate the Cummings/Croslin trailer/behavior/alibis at the time of the 911 call.
I believe that Misty did not cause harm to Haleigh. If Ron really thought that Misty was responsible, he would have made sure that Misty turned up missing at the same time as it was reported that Haliegh was missing.
I do not regret forming my own opinions, and of stating them in blogs, and I won't call others prejudiced simply because they disagree with me.
Cali- Posts : 2968
Join date : 2009-10-21
Age : 87
Location : California
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
KHINX- Great post with a lot of thought behind it all. I however am not seeing Ronald's reactions in the same light as you are.
Yes, Haleigh at one time almost drowned and given that fact, Maybe Ronald would have considered that factor to remotely be the same and searching ponds if he wasn't witnessing a brick propping the door opened. Knowing about the brick and knowing the child isn't there adds up to - a child was taken.
I think Ronald's emotional behavior does add up to no involvement of his own. Everyone who experiences a sudden loss of any kind, reacts differently. When I got word my son had died by phone at 10:20 pm, it hit me like a ton of bricks, I clenched my stomach and dropped to the ground. I'm an adult and your saying that Ronald acted the same way by dropping to the ground and adults don't act like that? I beg to differ. IMO however, Ronald is a child to me on a maturity level. At any rate, emotional behavior with the way Ronald acted is very hard when it comes to judging. I'm finding Ronald's behavior quite normal to someone who knows someone took his daughter. Stole or took, to me, same thing.
News Media attention- has to be hard on any parent under the radar like that. one can't even grieve without being heavily questioned. Ronald is grieving due to not having his daughter and not knowing where she is at which makes it worse than me knowing my son had died. At least I know where my son is at, Ronald doesn't know where Haleigh is at.
For me, I went through a world wind of an emotional roller coaster ride, it went from a car accident to a possible murder. At times my crying was non stop and got to the point of knowing I needed to get a grip or I could exchange that for my own life. My body was in complete shock and my body was getting sick by losing my bladder while I cried myself to sleep from sheer exhaustion. I lost a lot of weight for I had no appetite at all. As time goes on, you appear "there" but on the inside, all kind of emotions are stirring. I could not imagine being in the media at the same time of trying to focus on who and why. If I were, those would probably see me acting kinda weird too. Ronald IMO was going through the emotions of loss. without his child, dead or alive and not before him, it is a loss. That type of loss there are many emotions that take place. The first is denial, followed by Anger that usually ends up in acceptance. Ronald could very well be still in the place of being Angered but until his child is found, his own sense of emotions are way off because his child sits in lingo as to what could have happened to her. Which is why closure of any kind to Ronald and his family is very much needed. One can't get through all those emotions when one doesn't know what happened.
I think the only way a person can truly tell if Ronald's behavior is justifiable or not, is first and foremost, if you've never experienced the loss of a child, and I pray to God none of you ever do, than you'd have a very hard time understanding these kinds of emotions to begin with. This can't in no way be compared to the loss of a mother, father, brother, sister, aunt or uncle, or even husband and wife, for their is no greater mental and physical pain then the loss of a child. They say, there are no words to express the loss of a child and I can attest that statement to be true. But to have a child go missing, to me, that takes the cake for the greatest loss there is.
With that stated, Crystal Sheffield took her pain and generated that to reach out to Haleigh by going national and telling Haleigh we love you and so fourth but that doesn't make it suspicious that Ronald didn't act the same. Again, every human body reacts much differently to devastation such as this. When my sister lost her child to cancer who was only 3 years of age who died on her couch, when her child took his last breath her husband went ballistic and ripped the phone out of the wall and tore the place up when hospice was immediately there to remove all medications out of the house. There didn't seem to be much compassion going to my sister when they wanted to remove her son's body by placing him in a box in front of her instead of carrying him out on a stretcher. Everyone's circumstances are different and reactions are different based on what takes place. My father was outraged by my sisters husbands behavior while I understood it completely. The husband just watched his child take his very last breath. anything there after are uncontrollable feelings due to devastation. The media was involved in this case back in 1993 because a little boy had a rare brain tumor but my sister was too emotionally overwhelmed with all that attention and trying best she could to have her son die in a comfortable setting.
I simply can't judge Ronald's behavior after the fact of it all only to say when I witnessed his tears, his uncontrollable sobbing, his dropping to the ground and so fourth, that really hit pretty hard at home where I'm concerned for I know that all too well. I've had thoughts of killing those who set out to kill my own son and came pretty damn close if it wasn't for the pastor who shed a lot of light on God himself. Took me 2 and a half years before I could openly talk and yet I cried the entire time telling my story to him. Something tells me to this day, Ronald hasn't even had the proper council to help to remotely cope with all he's been through since his daughter was taken. To pick apart every blink, every smirk, every whimper or tear... is not a place to go considering Ronald's place in life is not the same as everyone who knows where their children are at. JMHO.
Yes, Haleigh at one time almost drowned and given that fact, Maybe Ronald would have considered that factor to remotely be the same and searching ponds if he wasn't witnessing a brick propping the door opened. Knowing about the brick and knowing the child isn't there adds up to - a child was taken.
I think Ronald's emotional behavior does add up to no involvement of his own. Everyone who experiences a sudden loss of any kind, reacts differently. When I got word my son had died by phone at 10:20 pm, it hit me like a ton of bricks, I clenched my stomach and dropped to the ground. I'm an adult and your saying that Ronald acted the same way by dropping to the ground and adults don't act like that? I beg to differ. IMO however, Ronald is a child to me on a maturity level. At any rate, emotional behavior with the way Ronald acted is very hard when it comes to judging. I'm finding Ronald's behavior quite normal to someone who knows someone took his daughter. Stole or took, to me, same thing.
News Media attention- has to be hard on any parent under the radar like that. one can't even grieve without being heavily questioned. Ronald is grieving due to not having his daughter and not knowing where she is at which makes it worse than me knowing my son had died. At least I know where my son is at, Ronald doesn't know where Haleigh is at.
For me, I went through a world wind of an emotional roller coaster ride, it went from a car accident to a possible murder. At times my crying was non stop and got to the point of knowing I needed to get a grip or I could exchange that for my own life. My body was in complete shock and my body was getting sick by losing my bladder while I cried myself to sleep from sheer exhaustion. I lost a lot of weight for I had no appetite at all. As time goes on, you appear "there" but on the inside, all kind of emotions are stirring. I could not imagine being in the media at the same time of trying to focus on who and why. If I were, those would probably see me acting kinda weird too. Ronald IMO was going through the emotions of loss. without his child, dead or alive and not before him, it is a loss. That type of loss there are many emotions that take place. The first is denial, followed by Anger that usually ends up in acceptance. Ronald could very well be still in the place of being Angered but until his child is found, his own sense of emotions are way off because his child sits in lingo as to what could have happened to her. Which is why closure of any kind to Ronald and his family is very much needed. One can't get through all those emotions when one doesn't know what happened.
I think the only way a person can truly tell if Ronald's behavior is justifiable or not, is first and foremost, if you've never experienced the loss of a child, and I pray to God none of you ever do, than you'd have a very hard time understanding these kinds of emotions to begin with. This can't in no way be compared to the loss of a mother, father, brother, sister, aunt or uncle, or even husband and wife, for their is no greater mental and physical pain then the loss of a child. They say, there are no words to express the loss of a child and I can attest that statement to be true. But to have a child go missing, to me, that takes the cake for the greatest loss there is.
With that stated, Crystal Sheffield took her pain and generated that to reach out to Haleigh by going national and telling Haleigh we love you and so fourth but that doesn't make it suspicious that Ronald didn't act the same. Again, every human body reacts much differently to devastation such as this. When my sister lost her child to cancer who was only 3 years of age who died on her couch, when her child took his last breath her husband went ballistic and ripped the phone out of the wall and tore the place up when hospice was immediately there to remove all medications out of the house. There didn't seem to be much compassion going to my sister when they wanted to remove her son's body by placing him in a box in front of her instead of carrying him out on a stretcher. Everyone's circumstances are different and reactions are different based on what takes place. My father was outraged by my sisters husbands behavior while I understood it completely. The husband just watched his child take his very last breath. anything there after are uncontrollable feelings due to devastation. The media was involved in this case back in 1993 because a little boy had a rare brain tumor but my sister was too emotionally overwhelmed with all that attention and trying best she could to have her son die in a comfortable setting.
I simply can't judge Ronald's behavior after the fact of it all only to say when I witnessed his tears, his uncontrollable sobbing, his dropping to the ground and so fourth, that really hit pretty hard at home where I'm concerned for I know that all too well. I've had thoughts of killing those who set out to kill my own son and came pretty damn close if it wasn't for the pastor who shed a lot of light on God himself. Took me 2 and a half years before I could openly talk and yet I cried the entire time telling my story to him. Something tells me to this day, Ronald hasn't even had the proper council to help to remotely cope with all he's been through since his daughter was taken. To pick apart every blink, every smirk, every whimper or tear... is not a place to go considering Ronald's place in life is not the same as everyone who knows where their children are at. JMHO.
butterfly64- Posts : 72
Join date : 2010-04-28
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
butterfly, I'm sorry for your pain!
But Ron, IMO, was putting on a show for the media when he 'dropped to the ground'. Where was his distress all the times the media followed him and Misty around while they walked calmly and arrogantly, as if smugly mocking the interest in Haleigh's plight?
You'd have thought he'd have run toward every media camera he saw and asked if he get some word out to help find Haleigh. But no! And the way I see that is he was tired of playing his 'misery over Haleigh' game...been there, done that....and he had no more use for the media in that regard.
Ron used the media to preset a notion of his innocence just like he used the 911 dispatcher when he claimed he'd kill whoever took Haleigh if the cops didn't hurry up and find them first. Then he goes on later to say even if the cops do find the person he's going to shoot them through the back window of the squad car. Come on....let's think....the cops pick up a person they have yet to prove took Haleigh and Ron is going to commit murder in front of cops? He's so FOS I can smell him all the way up here in Virginia!
What message he's trying to put out there is one he thinks makes him sound like he wants Haleigh's perp to be caught...when the overkill in his message suggests he doesn't care how over-the-top he sounds because it's not going to happen anyway and he knows it...he knows it because he is in control of the knowledge of what happened to Haleigh. He is not worried at all that he'll have to 'kill' anyone!
Also, think about this...let's pretend Ron had no idea what happened to Haleigh. Don't you think he'd have opened up completely and entirely about everyone and everything that might lead to finding her? He should have at the very least had suggestions of possible persons in his life style who may have done this. But he goes on and on with Nothing! Nothing to help find Haleigh except threats to the 911 dispatcher that the cops had better find the person fast! The cops had better! But what about Ron? What did he do beside make a scene on a couple media cameras while ignoring later opportunities to address the world via all that media attention he was getting?
Ron ruled Misty! He kept her story in line! And now that they are separated in jail, she is probably still scared of Ron especially with everyone siding with the poor sad daddy! I think the fact that the media and cops seem to be believing Ron in all things he says, is contributing to Misty not telling the truth. The important people are siding with the enemy! And that enemy is Ron!
I do not care if Ron claims he was working. He could have gone off for dinner or something and not been noticed as being gone. But besides that, there is no timeline for when Haleigh 'went missing' in the first place. Conflicting accounts of who picked her up after school....that's just one thing, and it's enough for me, to believe the timeline should be backed up to before Ron went to work and the investigation staring there.
Did anyone pick her up at all? Well, a neighbor claimed to have seen Haleigh outside that evening...that neighbor could be mistaken over the day in question. And the only other suggestion Haleigh was fine and home after school was Granny saying she came to drop off laundry and have dinner...family is notoriously suspect when there is need of coverup...so that's not concrete proof Haleigh ever made it home after school.
I do think the cops down there are doing a crap job! They are, imo, barking up one wrong tree after another. Their focus needs to be on RON!
But Ron, IMO, was putting on a show for the media when he 'dropped to the ground'. Where was his distress all the times the media followed him and Misty around while they walked calmly and arrogantly, as if smugly mocking the interest in Haleigh's plight?
You'd have thought he'd have run toward every media camera he saw and asked if he get some word out to help find Haleigh. But no! And the way I see that is he was tired of playing his 'misery over Haleigh' game...been there, done that....and he had no more use for the media in that regard.
Ron used the media to preset a notion of his innocence just like he used the 911 dispatcher when he claimed he'd kill whoever took Haleigh if the cops didn't hurry up and find them first. Then he goes on later to say even if the cops do find the person he's going to shoot them through the back window of the squad car. Come on....let's think....the cops pick up a person they have yet to prove took Haleigh and Ron is going to commit murder in front of cops? He's so FOS I can smell him all the way up here in Virginia!
What message he's trying to put out there is one he thinks makes him sound like he wants Haleigh's perp to be caught...when the overkill in his message suggests he doesn't care how over-the-top he sounds because it's not going to happen anyway and he knows it...he knows it because he is in control of the knowledge of what happened to Haleigh. He is not worried at all that he'll have to 'kill' anyone!
Also, think about this...let's pretend Ron had no idea what happened to Haleigh. Don't you think he'd have opened up completely and entirely about everyone and everything that might lead to finding her? He should have at the very least had suggestions of possible persons in his life style who may have done this. But he goes on and on with Nothing! Nothing to help find Haleigh except threats to the 911 dispatcher that the cops had better find the person fast! The cops had better! But what about Ron? What did he do beside make a scene on a couple media cameras while ignoring later opportunities to address the world via all that media attention he was getting?
Ron ruled Misty! He kept her story in line! And now that they are separated in jail, she is probably still scared of Ron especially with everyone siding with the poor sad daddy! I think the fact that the media and cops seem to be believing Ron in all things he says, is contributing to Misty not telling the truth. The important people are siding with the enemy! And that enemy is Ron!
I do not care if Ron claims he was working. He could have gone off for dinner or something and not been noticed as being gone. But besides that, there is no timeline for when Haleigh 'went missing' in the first place. Conflicting accounts of who picked her up after school....that's just one thing, and it's enough for me, to believe the timeline should be backed up to before Ron went to work and the investigation staring there.
Did anyone pick her up at all? Well, a neighbor claimed to have seen Haleigh outside that evening...that neighbor could be mistaken over the day in question. And the only other suggestion Haleigh was fine and home after school was Granny saying she came to drop off laundry and have dinner...family is notoriously suspect when there is need of coverup...so that's not concrete proof Haleigh ever made it home after school.
I do think the cops down there are doing a crap job! They are, imo, barking up one wrong tree after another. Their focus needs to be on RON!
LottieM- Posts : 1725
Join date : 2010-03-01
Location : ridin' my bike....duh
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
Here's another impression I get of Ron....he's so burnt out from so much drug use he has no real feelings for anything beyond what is good for him. That happens with habitual drug users. They really do lose any sense of emotional feeling for others, even for those they really do love. Their brain cells are screwed up! They simply can't get past personal survival.
If he found Haleigh dead by some accident, IMO, his first consideration would be to hide it so Crystal would not get custody of Junior so he would not have to -both- lose child support from her and have to pay child support to her. No double whammy for Ron!
IMO...why did Ron get married to Misty and why did she agree? 1. he didn't want her being a minor to be an issue, and 2. he stupidly thought and convinced Misty that married couples can't be made to rat on each other so she'd be safe from further interrogations that way.
IMO...why did they get unmarried? Misty was no longer a minor, and they found out that married couple code of silence didn't apply to what was known before they got married and maybe also didn't apply in cases of someone dying.
Ron IS the key!
If he found Haleigh dead by some accident, IMO, his first consideration would be to hide it so Crystal would not get custody of Junior so he would not have to -both- lose child support from her and have to pay child support to her. No double whammy for Ron!
IMO...why did Ron get married to Misty and why did she agree? 1. he didn't want her being a minor to be an issue, and 2. he stupidly thought and convinced Misty that married couples can't be made to rat on each other so she'd be safe from further interrogations that way.
IMO...why did they get unmarried? Misty was no longer a minor, and they found out that married couple code of silence didn't apply to what was known before they got married and maybe also didn't apply in cases of someone dying.
Ron IS the key!
LottieM- Posts : 1725
Join date : 2010-03-01
Location : ridin' my bike....duh
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
butterfly..I am sorry for your loss and I cannot imagine what pain you have had to endure to this day. I have not experienced the loss of one of my own children, but I do see contradictory behavior in Ron. There is simply something "off" about this entire strange story that has unfolded.
Lottie, I too feel that Ron dominates Misty, and she is afraid of him even as she sits in a jail cell. Misty told the story she was coached to tell to 911 while Ron stood off making threats. Ron has stated "he was at work" and that is his alibi. I find it strange that he hasn't lashed out at Misty for "the truth - and how could she let his child get stole". He won't come right out and say that Misty knows what really happened, but that is the conclusion he is trying to promote.
Lottie, I too feel that Ron dominates Misty, and she is afraid of him even as she sits in a jail cell. Misty told the story she was coached to tell to 911 while Ron stood off making threats. Ron has stated "he was at work" and that is his alibi. I find it strange that he hasn't lashed out at Misty for "the truth - and how could she let his child get stole". He won't come right out and say that Misty knows what really happened, but that is the conclusion he is trying to promote.
Cali- Posts : 2968
Join date : 2009-10-21
Age : 87
Location : California
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
No one knows how they will react until it happens to you. I knew who had killed my daughter, and he was in custody, but I felt like I shouldn't leave my house for anything pleasurable. Just to stay home and take care of her 2-1/2 y/o son and 13 month old daughter.
About two weeks later, a friend took me shopping to buy a few things for the kids that she wanted to buy them. Then we stopped at Shoney's (long time ago) for lunch.
A group of EMT's came in and sat behind us. 3 men and 1 woman. The woman started talking about Kim's case, as she was dispatched to the home early that morning. All she could talk about was how good looking her husband was, and didn't see how she ever got a man like that. If I had a weapon, that woman would have been dead. But, since I didn't, I pulled her, by the hair, over the guy sitting next to her, and proceeded to hit, punch and kick her till the guys pulled me off her. I really believe I would have killed her.
After the guys found out who I was, they refused to call the police and promised me no charges would be pressed against me. The guys apologized for everything the b---- said, but she never apologized. My atty wrote a letter to her supervisors and she lost her job. I was told they are not supposed to speak about a case when they are in public.
About two weeks later, a friend took me shopping to buy a few things for the kids that she wanted to buy them. Then we stopped at Shoney's (long time ago) for lunch.
A group of EMT's came in and sat behind us. 3 men and 1 woman. The woman started talking about Kim's case, as she was dispatched to the home early that morning. All she could talk about was how good looking her husband was, and didn't see how she ever got a man like that. If I had a weapon, that woman would have been dead. But, since I didn't, I pulled her, by the hair, over the guy sitting next to her, and proceeded to hit, punch and kick her till the guys pulled me off her. I really believe I would have killed her.
After the guys found out who I was, they refused to call the police and promised me no charges would be pressed against me. The guys apologized for everything the b---- said, but she never apologized. My atty wrote a letter to her supervisors and she lost her job. I was told they are not supposed to speak about a case when they are in public.
sitemama- Admin
- Posts : 29920
Join date : 2009-07-09
Age : 83
Location : Caldwell/Catawba County, NC
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
Cali wrote:butterfly..I am sorry for your loss and I cannot imagine what pain you have had to endure to this day. I have not experienced the loss of one of my own children, but I do see contradictory behavior in Ron. There is simply something "off" about this entire strange story that has unfolded.
Lottie, I too feel that Ron dominates Misty, and she is afraid of him even as she sits in a jail cell. Misty told the story she was coached to tell to 911 while Ron stood off making threats. Ron has stated "he was at work" and that is his alibi. I find it strange that he hasn't lashed out at Misty for "the truth - and how could she let his child get stole". He won't come right out and say that Misty knows what really happened, but that is the conclusion he is trying to promote.
And, of course, Misty didn't let his child get stole or else, if he really thought she did, he'd have been pissed at her and demanded she start talking NOW! He's not the hands-off sort of guy. He might even would have choked her like Cindy did Casey. But he didn't do that. He went an married her!
sitemama, I'm sorry for your loss! I didn't know you had a loved one murdered! *big hugs*
your reaction is more like what Ron should have done though. You don't just take a loss like that lying down whether you're mama, daddy, brother or sister....
LottieM- Posts : 1725
Join date : 2010-03-01
Location : ridin' my bike....duh
Mood :
Re: Eyes For Lies ~ Worth revisiting
site, huge hugs with heartfelt tears of knowing your pain. As we know, one day at a time. Pm me anytime if you'd like. I'd be curious to know if you've witnessed any kind of "signs', from your beloved daughter. I'm all ears hon.
aside the crap you delt with, must have felt great to let loose and get the anger out. Great opportunity but not under the best of circumstances in the least. Hell, I was smiling hearing what you did. (big grin)
anyway... wanted to address some of the responses with the way Ron's behavior is. ok, with the 911 call.. I personally have to eliminate Ron's words simply because those sheer emotions that cut like a knife of knowing what happened (haleigh missing).. can make a person say or do just about anything.
I think the reason why Ron "appears" at times suspicious, is because of his not so great past. I remember so many years ago my dad at one time told me, "that to always remain out of trouble because if the day ever comes you ever need help, you need to appear credible". with that said, and thankfully I listened.. lol.. but my dad is right on that account.
because.. as we can see Ron's entire situation. Lets say this wasn't about missing 5-6 year old Haleigh and instead Ron was being accused of beating up a woman so badly it killed her but no one saw Ron do it, they just suspected he did. Right off the public would think Ron did it just by the way he treated all his woman even if Ron really didn't kill the woman at all. This is the situation I see Ron is in when it comes to his daughter. A bad past to where, he must know something. I just don't see that really. and know, obviously I could be wrong and I'll be the very first to admit that if its proven.
Aside Ron, there are no other family members that have ever witnessed Misty to hurt or harm either child. I'm quite certain Misty wasn't the "greatest" in the care with the two but for her age, I'm sure she thought she was doing the best she could. With that said, and being Ron Lived with Misty, he probably was in denial she had any involvement at all knowing He (ron) never witnessed Misty being neglectful to his kids. I don't think Misty had involvement directly, I think the burden of Misty lies with going out, coming home, getting into bed not knowing Haleigh was gone and then awoke... got up, saw the light on, saw the brick propped and then noticed she was missing. Either that, or she went out, came home, got into bed and went to sleep, got back up and noticed Haleigh gone, called Timmy and he propped the door open with a brick to cover for misty going out. again, only a theory but that call to timmy prior to 911 had to consist of something.
I'm curious to the ages to some of the posters on this board. I am 45. 46 in July- bummer!! lol. The only reason I point this out is because I feel alot can be learned through experience. I've already raised my kids, they are no longer teenagers ( praise the good lord, ha ha) but I've had my fair share of crap to deal with, luckily none of it involved the law. I see quite the difference from when I was a teen but then again, dicipline was different too. My dad was chief master sargeant of the Airforce for 25 years and in those years, he was a drill sargeant. His kids ( us) were brought up hard core. We looked the wrong way or spoke out of turn and stars we would see hands down. In looking back however, I can see why. In todays times however, you smack your child and your child is taught this is wrong. Nothing wrong with a good smack thats needed. I can definitely tell that none of the Cummings or Croslins were brought up on any kind of dicipline or guidance what so ever. Which is why I can see through some of the negativity being spewed out by Ron and why Ron's need to clam up or not appear like he's acting properly. Based on Rons' skeletins in the closet he probably isn't so proud of, he wanted this case on Haleigh and Haleigh alone because he "knew" he wouldn't be "credible" due to other things.
If you're between the ages of 20-30, you probably wouldn't already been through any experience with teenagers of your own and to understand how "different' they can act in todays times vs. years of the past.
I see Misty as a young girl who lost out on so much due to not being raised proper. She met a guy that was appealing to the life she once lived and to me, the girl only wanted to be loved. yes, Misty does have a nasty side too but as a whole, I see her as a victem. Not only to Ron, but to the state of Florida using her to solve the case.
I see Ron as a mama's boy. A very troubled kid who got messed up on drugs and alcohol. Due to his drug use he took out frustration on woman and children at times. Not excusing his actions in the least, just saying it as I see it.
Ron IMO got so hooked on drugs, he did illegal things to keep his drugs continued. He was a guy who was intrigued with weapons. Alot of boys are. He owned a gun as well. Not saying this is good. Now, when Haleigh went missing and with Ron learning just that when he got home from work, after the aftermath of learning the worst at some point Ron is going to come to grips of a past he figured would be brought to light and a past he didn't want out there. I would bet his own mother told him he better not reveal any of it b/c it might take away from helping to find Haleigh. Its not too often we hear about troubled parents whose kids that are missing get the attention this case is getting right now. They are starting to surface, but to me, just recently.
I think the biggest reason why the Casey case got so much attention is because Casey's dad was at one time a cop. Their family vs Haleighs family is quite opposite but usually the media only hits on families who come from higher class.... until just recently.
I think i'm rambling..sorry =( anyway, thank you guys for the warm thoughts. I have my ups and down days but for the most part, I feel so much better lately with the help I finally got. What anyone wouldn't give right now for the truth to be told and to put the case to rest one way or another.. btw, I think LE did a crappy job all the way around.
aside the crap you delt with, must have felt great to let loose and get the anger out. Great opportunity but not under the best of circumstances in the least. Hell, I was smiling hearing what you did. (big grin)
anyway... wanted to address some of the responses with the way Ron's behavior is. ok, with the 911 call.. I personally have to eliminate Ron's words simply because those sheer emotions that cut like a knife of knowing what happened (haleigh missing).. can make a person say or do just about anything.
I think the reason why Ron "appears" at times suspicious, is because of his not so great past. I remember so many years ago my dad at one time told me, "that to always remain out of trouble because if the day ever comes you ever need help, you need to appear credible". with that said, and thankfully I listened.. lol.. but my dad is right on that account.
because.. as we can see Ron's entire situation. Lets say this wasn't about missing 5-6 year old Haleigh and instead Ron was being accused of beating up a woman so badly it killed her but no one saw Ron do it, they just suspected he did. Right off the public would think Ron did it just by the way he treated all his woman even if Ron really didn't kill the woman at all. This is the situation I see Ron is in when it comes to his daughter. A bad past to where, he must know something. I just don't see that really. and know, obviously I could be wrong and I'll be the very first to admit that if its proven.
Aside Ron, there are no other family members that have ever witnessed Misty to hurt or harm either child. I'm quite certain Misty wasn't the "greatest" in the care with the two but for her age, I'm sure she thought she was doing the best she could. With that said, and being Ron Lived with Misty, he probably was in denial she had any involvement at all knowing He (ron) never witnessed Misty being neglectful to his kids. I don't think Misty had involvement directly, I think the burden of Misty lies with going out, coming home, getting into bed not knowing Haleigh was gone and then awoke... got up, saw the light on, saw the brick propped and then noticed she was missing. Either that, or she went out, came home, got into bed and went to sleep, got back up and noticed Haleigh gone, called Timmy and he propped the door open with a brick to cover for misty going out. again, only a theory but that call to timmy prior to 911 had to consist of something.
I'm curious to the ages to some of the posters on this board. I am 45. 46 in July- bummer!! lol. The only reason I point this out is because I feel alot can be learned through experience. I've already raised my kids, they are no longer teenagers ( praise the good lord, ha ha) but I've had my fair share of crap to deal with, luckily none of it involved the law. I see quite the difference from when I was a teen but then again, dicipline was different too. My dad was chief master sargeant of the Airforce for 25 years and in those years, he was a drill sargeant. His kids ( us) were brought up hard core. We looked the wrong way or spoke out of turn and stars we would see hands down. In looking back however, I can see why. In todays times however, you smack your child and your child is taught this is wrong. Nothing wrong with a good smack thats needed. I can definitely tell that none of the Cummings or Croslins were brought up on any kind of dicipline or guidance what so ever. Which is why I can see through some of the negativity being spewed out by Ron and why Ron's need to clam up or not appear like he's acting properly. Based on Rons' skeletins in the closet he probably isn't so proud of, he wanted this case on Haleigh and Haleigh alone because he "knew" he wouldn't be "credible" due to other things.
If you're between the ages of 20-30, you probably wouldn't already been through any experience with teenagers of your own and to understand how "different' they can act in todays times vs. years of the past.
I see Misty as a young girl who lost out on so much due to not being raised proper. She met a guy that was appealing to the life she once lived and to me, the girl only wanted to be loved. yes, Misty does have a nasty side too but as a whole, I see her as a victem. Not only to Ron, but to the state of Florida using her to solve the case.
I see Ron as a mama's boy. A very troubled kid who got messed up on drugs and alcohol. Due to his drug use he took out frustration on woman and children at times. Not excusing his actions in the least, just saying it as I see it.
Ron IMO got so hooked on drugs, he did illegal things to keep his drugs continued. He was a guy who was intrigued with weapons. Alot of boys are. He owned a gun as well. Not saying this is good. Now, when Haleigh went missing and with Ron learning just that when he got home from work, after the aftermath of learning the worst at some point Ron is going to come to grips of a past he figured would be brought to light and a past he didn't want out there. I would bet his own mother told him he better not reveal any of it b/c it might take away from helping to find Haleigh. Its not too often we hear about troubled parents whose kids that are missing get the attention this case is getting right now. They are starting to surface, but to me, just recently.
I think the biggest reason why the Casey case got so much attention is because Casey's dad was at one time a cop. Their family vs Haleighs family is quite opposite but usually the media only hits on families who come from higher class.... until just recently.
I think i'm rambling..sorry =( anyway, thank you guys for the warm thoughts. I have my ups and down days but for the most part, I feel so much better lately with the help I finally got. What anyone wouldn't give right now for the truth to be told and to put the case to rest one way or another.. btw, I think LE did a crappy job all the way around.
butterfly64- Posts : 72
Join date : 2010-04-28
Similar topics
» Casey's lies - To lie or not to lie
» Father’s Attorney Seeks 2nd Pair of Eyes and an NPO
» Valhall's Multi-Part Series: The Anthony Encycliepedia (Lies told by the A's)
» 'Mommy's Little Girl' by Diane Fanning
» Father’s Attorney Seeks 2nd Pair of Eyes and an NPO
» Valhall's Multi-Part Series: The Anthony Encycliepedia (Lies told by the A's)
» 'Mommy's Little Girl' by Diane Fanning
Page 1 of 1
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum