KC's Visitors in Jail

by KariBear Mon Jul 26, 2010 3:56 pm

According to Casey's visitor logs she spent about 4 hours with Dr Steven N Gold who is a "specialist" in sexual abuse trauma. Could this be what all the fuss was the defense put up about having her visitors logs made public? Sounds to me like they are going to try to get her off Death Row by trying to say that she is unstable do to the abuse she suffered as a child. I wonder if George will finally come to his senses and "man up" or if he and Lee will willingly go under the bus for Casey. Me thinks that Cindy MAY let George take a dive but I don't think Mallory wants her husband and the father of her childern to be labled a sex offender. What do you think?

by Snaz Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:17 pm

KC was also visited by a new DP qualified attorney, Reginald Moss, on July 2......
http://www.tonymosslaw.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=63&Itemid=47

Dr. Stephen Gold's website:
http://www.cps.nova.edu/~gold/index.htm

Visitor Log:
KC's Visitors in Jail Pdf

anthony-official-visits-as-of-7-26-101.pdf

I smell some changes a comin'........

by Snaz Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:25 pm

Mental Illness Doctor Visits Casey Anthony in Jail

Monday, July 26, 2010
By Express

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/07/mental-illness-doctor-visits-casey-anthony-in-jail/

by Snaz Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:30 pm

I think it's pretty clear where the defense is headed with all this.... however, whether they go through with it or not is debatable. After all...... Cindy has said time and time again that KC never has any mental health issues, was never diagnosed with any mental conditions, etc..... not that that would keep the defense from using this as their defense.

Because I, for one, believe they WILL throw George under the bus... but along with him will be Cindy AND Lee...... no one in KC's family is safe at this point.

KB, I don't subscribe to the theory that George OR Lee would willingly let KC destroy them as a person (or what reputation they have left) to save her sorry butt..... but I've been shocked before... and with this family, anything might happen!!!

Anthonys............ be afraid...... be VERY, VERY afraid!!! affraid

by Justice4all Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:38 pm

Kari, I think George is furious over Casey's allegations and will finally stand up to Cindy if she asks him to willingly take a fall for Casey. I also agree with what you said about Mallory. If it was just up to Lee, he might be willing to take the fall seeing how excited he was to see his loving sister when he testified.

The visit by the new attorney is interesting. Perhaps Mason is on his way out.

by Snaz Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:54 pm

Oh my.... this opens up a whole new world of speculation!!!! I've got so many thoughts rolling around in this head of mine......

What IF the defense is planning to say an accident happened to Caylee and KC dissasociated herself from real life.... hence, she was able carry on her life partying, etc, as though nothing ever happened??????

What IF they are planning to say GEORGE was molesting Caylee and either he killed Caylee, or KC felt she had to kill Caylee to protect her from what SHE had endured as a child?????

Of course, we all know this is all BS and won't fly.... the defense would still have to explain why poor little Caylee ended up with duct tape on her face tossed out into the woods like yesterday's trash..... and BTW, the prosecution sees what we see... and more... I believe they will be prepared for whatever excuse the defense may try to throw out to save KC's hide.

At least the defense is beginning to be creative now....

by sitemama Mon Jul 26, 2010 4:55 pm

I have said all along I think there was something going on between KC and the boytoy's in that house. I'm not saying it was against her will however. I think KC and Lee have always acted weird around each other. And poor ol' GA, he certainly didn't get any 'loving' from the Grinch.

I can't imagine anyone wanting to 'fool around' with CA, can you? Not even wheelie boy.

She may tell the doctor it was against her will, but I'll never believe that. I hope GA and Lee can finally see what KC and Bozo are doing, and they can start telling the truth, without giggling.

by Snaz Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:10 pm

I have another WHAT IF......

What IF the visit by this new doctor is the reason the defense wanted her visitor log sealed?????

by Estee Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:48 pm

Snaz...Of course that was the reason they wanted it sealed...it is a direct link as to what way the defense is going to show KC's actions during the time Caylee was missing...and also a reason why she was such a loose person...She just wasn't right, it affected her ability to form long loving, trusting relationships...

by Snaz Mon Jul 26, 2010 5:59 pm

Exactly, Estee......

by sitemama Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:23 pm

Is there a statue of limitation on sexual abuse? I don't think so, because we have a case in NC right now of a Priest abusing boys, and they are in their 30's now.

If they can bring charges against GA, he really might be leaving the family for a long time. If this gets KC out of prison early, do you think she will put any money in GA's account? I know CA won't. Maybe his money will come from 'the Sky or the River.'

by Snaz Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:25 pm

awaiting justice wrote:Snaz, I am thinking you are right on the money about sealing the log... but only for the sole purpose of keeping this from the Ants... and not the general population..

I have also suspected that the defense will go with the angle of implying/accusing and distracting with the possibility that GA had been molesting Caylee...

The defense cud then do a couple of different things.. they cud say (imply/distract) that GA killed Caylee, (becasue she was going to tell on him or did tell KC that GA molested her) ..

Or they cud go on another angle and say that KC killed Caylee in trying to protect Caylee for having to go thru the same experience where she felt she had to save Caylee by killing her.... or they cud even say KC was jealous as GA was supposed to be her abuser.... not Caylee's..of course trying to show how messed up KC really was... that she was insane at the time....

It cud get pretty crazy and I think CA and LA wud do this to help KC.. I think they wud do anything even if it was to throw GA under the bus....I dont think GA wud comply though...when this is all over ..no matter what.. i think he will leave the family...

I think he sees it coming... I also dont think it will work..

See, AJ, I don't think ANY of the Ants would take the fall for KC..... I mean, we are talking some SERIOUS criminal charges here..... I just don't see George, Lee OR Cindy taking ANY responsibility for what KC did..... I could be wrong, but I just don't see it. And I think blaming at least one family member (if not more) is EXACTLY where the defense is headed...... and honestly, if they want to save KC from the DP (which, BTW, she deserves), that's all they can do.....

It's called mitigation.....

by khintx Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:29 pm

Looks like another "chinese fire drill" for the dream team! kh

by khintx Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:34 pm

sitemama wrote:Is there a statue of limitation on sexual abuse? I don't think so, because we have a case in NC right now of a Priest abusing boys, and they are in their 30's now.

If they can bring charges against GA, he really might be leaving the family for a long time. If this gets KC out of prison early, do you think she will put any money in GA's account? I know CA won't. Maybe his money will come from 'the Sky or the River.'

There won't be any actual charges for the alleged sexual abuse....... they arent trying to convince a jury to convict George,

they will be trying to convince a jury in the penalty phase of a murder trial that has already convicted Casey of murder, that there Casey was sexually abused and traumatized as a child to try to safe her life from the DP. THink Menendez Brothers. kh

kh

by Justice4all Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:41 pm

There is no way going with the George killed Caylee theory will work. If that really happened, Casey would have spilled her guts the second she was questioned by police if not sooner.

by Snaz Mon Jul 26, 2010 6:44 pm

Justice4all wrote:There is no way going with the George killed Caylee theory will work. If that really happened, Casey would have spilled her guts the second she was questioned by police if not sooner.

You got that right, J4A!!!! Sooner would have been my guess......

by sitemama Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:03 pm

I do think they will imply and try and confuse ppl with the " possibility" but I dont think it will ever be something where he wud be charged with as there wud have to be witnesses..etc...

No there would not, they would have KC's word and that's all we would need. LOL

No, seriously, the men who have brought charges against the Priest didn't have witnesses. At first it was only one guy, and they arrested him right away. Now, 2 more have come forward. But, they were going ahead with his trial with just the one guy.

by khintx Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:08 pm

Personally, I think the abuse allegations are BS..... just another story they're trying to put together to save a client they already know will be convicted of murdering her baby daughter........ It's just a contrived "mitigating circumstance" for the penalty phase to try to spare her life. Just more BS.

kh

by Snaz Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:16 pm

I think so too, kh.....

I mean, George is creepy enough for me to believe it (with all his "Hey, beautiful"s and "Hi, Gorgeous"es), but I don't believe anything that comes out of KC's mouth. I believe KC says whatever she thinks she needs to say at that moment to get what she wants.

IIRC, the first time she mentioned molestation (by Lee, I believe) was to Jesse Grund, when she wanted out of her parents house and into a house with him (with him paying for it, of course). I believe she thought telling Jesse that Lee molested her would make him want to get her out of her parents house. And when Rev. Grund put the brakes on that, she no longer needed him and dumped him.

by khintx Mon Jul 26, 2010 7:30 pm

Snaz- don't ya just hate it when your potential victims just won't cooperate? kh

PS: Luv your new avatar too!

by Snaz Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:08 pm

khintx wrote:Snaz- don't ya just hate it when your potential victims just won't cooperate? kh

PS: Luv your new avatar too!

kh, thanks!!!

And ain't that just the truth????? What's WRONG with these dang people????? Mad

by khintx Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:18 pm

What's wrong with these dang people? They're all frackin broken. On the inside. Every single danged one of em. And frankly I think it happened a long time before Caylee was even born. They're all jumbled up in the head and in the heart. And that's nothin new.
kh

by Snaz Mon Jul 26, 2010 8:21 pm

I definitely agree with that.... their dysfunction did NOT start just with Caylee's birth...... cause they have always been FRACKIN BROKEN!!!!! Laughing

by Justice4all Mon Jul 26, 2010 9:50 pm

sitemama wrote:Is there a statue of limitation on sexual abuse? I don't think so, because we have a case in NC right now of a Priest abusing boys, and they are in their 30's now.

The statute of limitations varies by state. Here is a link where you can look up different sites.

http://www.smith-lawfirm.com/statutestable.html

In Florida, it is 7 years past the age of majority, or 4 years after the victim leaves the dependency of the abuser. There is also a delayed discovery doctrine in cases of repressed memory or amnesia. The age of majority in Florida is 18, so I believe Casey's claim would fall within the statute of limitations since she is only 24.

by Julie Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:18 pm

Since she still lived with them, and did not work, wouldn't she also fall under did NOT "leave the dependency of the abuser" part?

by Snaz Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:20 pm

I would think so, Julie... IF it reallty happened....

But then again, I am not a lawyer... and I don't play one on TV......

by Julie Mon Jul 26, 2010 10:24 pm

by KariBear Tue Jul 27, 2010 10:51 am

I think the abuse angle is a total crock of poo too but it is going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out. I know GA is way creepy but I don't think for one minute that he abused that baby in any way or KC for that matter. Now LA & KC? That's a horse of a different color. I've always thought that their relationship was a tad bit strange. Snaz I think you are spot on regarding why KC dumped Jesse. KC will say or do anything to get what she wants.

by Snaz Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:48 pm

We already knew this....... the media is a little slow.

Casey Anthony Meets With Psychologist
Anthony, 24, Charged With First-Degree Murder In Daughter's Death

POSTED: Wednesday, July 28, 2010
UPDATED: 7:50 pm EDT July 28, 2010

ORLANDO, Fla. -- As Casey Anthony prepares for her upcoming death penalty trial on first-degree murder charges, a mental health expert has begun examining the 24-year-old.

VIDEO: 4-Hour Jail Meeting

A psychologist who specializes in traumatic events has been visiting Anthony in the Orange County Jail.

Defense attorney Jose Baez said attorneys must explore potential mental health issues in any death penalty case.

Other than members of her defense team, Anthony has had few outside visitors since she was put back in jail for the final time in October 2008, but earlier this week Anthony met with Dr. Steven Gold.

Read more: http://www.clickorlando.com/news/24429586/detail.html

by randilynn Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:15 pm

i bet that made her happy...

a meeting that she could talk about nothing but herself.. none of that pesky caylee crap... all about KC.

by FystyAngel Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:29 pm

Makes me sick thinking about how THAT conversation went.....lies, lies & more lies. Poor shrink probably just wanted to say shut up

by Julie Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:39 pm

Fysty....the shrink now needs a shrink.

by sitemama Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:00 pm

He probably wanted to start singing that Toby Keith song.

by Estee Wed Jul 28, 2010 11:07 pm

Do you think she did her best to convince him that she's sane or nuts...I hope he saw right through her phoney self and hope we get to hear what he has to say ...even if we have to wait til trial time...

by sitemama Thu Jul 29, 2010 12:16 am

She wanted to convince him she is nuts, and it's all her mom's and dad's fault. All the abuse, you know.

How else is she going to walk out of jail, arm and arm with Mason on one side and Bozo on the other.

by Snaz Mon Aug 23, 2010 12:53 pm

KC has had some new attorneys visiting with her recently. The Caylee Daily posted that she has been visited by attorneys Richard Alan Gabriel and Dorothy Clay Sims.

On 7/30/10, JB met with KC along with Jeanene Barrett (the mitigation specialist), Richard Gabriel and Dorothy Sims. That must have been quite a meeting.

It appears that as of this past Saturday, August 21, Jeanene Barrett is still meeting with KC.....

Read all about it at TCD:
http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/08/casey-anthony-has-interesting-new-jail-visitors/

Dorothy Clay Sims:
http://www.ocalaw.com/bio/dcs.php

Richard Alan Gabriel:
http://www.decisionanalysisinc.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=55:richard-gabriel&catid=39:consultant-profiles&Itemid=55

by randilynn Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:09 pm

i hope those times on the visitation log are mistaken..

there are a few of the visits logged to last OVER 10 hours, that is redonkulous... there is no reason to visit with a client for 10 HOURS...

by Snaz Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:57 pm

Randi, I did not see any that were over 4 hours and that was the one with Michelle Medina on 8/22, which was yesterday. The one with all four of them lasted about an hour and a half.

What am I missing?

by Snaz Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:53 pm

Article about Richard Gabriel and his company, Decision Analysis:

Decision Analysis and Renowned Trial Consultant Richard Gabriel's Jury Selection and Trial Strategy Key to Hung Jury in Spector Murder Trial

~Snipped~

The difference in this trial, as well as countless other high profile cases including OJ Simpson, Heidi Fleiss, Enron Broadband and Whitewater, was Decision Analysis, a trial consulting company based in Los Angeles with offices in Chicago and San Francisco. Richard Gabriel, President of Decision Analysis and co-author of the book, Jury Selection: Strategy and Science, says, "To overcome the extreme amount of bias against the defendant in this case, we employed new methods of jury selection and trial communication techniques. These methods include statistical modeling, nonverbal micro-expressions, documentary film and journalism techniques, and resistance persuasion strategies. As a result of our research, we made a 180 degree change in the way the case was presented."

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2007_Oct_8/ai_n21027549/

by Snaz Mon Aug 23, 2010 6:58 pm

Interesting article written by Richard Gabriel:

How Jurors Use Emotional Information to Decide Cases

http://www.actofcommunication.com/RichardGabrielArticle021609.pdf

by randilynn Tue Aug 24, 2010 12:23 pm

Snaz wrote:Randi, I did not see any that were over 4 hours and that was the one with Michelle Medina on 8/22, which was yesterday. The one with all four of them lasted about an hour and a half.

What am I missing?

oooopppss.. i didnt see the little enlarge this image at the top of the chart, all the 19's looked like 10's... silly me... sorry for the confusion...

by Snaz Tue Aug 24, 2010 3:53 pm

Interesting article written by Dorothy Sims:

Cross Examining the Psychiatric Expert
By Dorothy C. Sims, Esq. Ocala, Florida

http://www.doereport.com/article_crossexamining.php

by Snaz Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:09 pm

Based on the people who have been visiting KC, I think the defense is gearing up for mitigation, I think they pretty much see the writing on the wall and know there's a greater chance than not that KC will be convicted of murder.

And once she is convicted, I think the defense will have some sort of "psychological explanation," as the reasons for her behavior..... partying, unemotional about Caylee, etc. And I won't be surprised at all if sexual molestation is mentioned in the process....

I don't think the defense's explanations will be accepted by the jury... but they have to try something to save her life. And if KC receives LWOP rather than DP, I don't think it will be because of anything presented by the defense during the mitigation phase. I think it may be because she is a relatively young female.

JMO

by Cali Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:58 am

Makes me sick to think that a momster could claim prior sexual abuse as an "excuse" for murdering her child, and be believed.

by Snaz Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:06 am

Me, too, Cali... but I'm not sure how many people really believe her...

by Justice4all Fri Aug 27, 2010 12:02 am

Records Shed Light On Casey's Latest Jail Visitors
Ocala Lawyer Pays A Visit, Renowned For Cross-Examination, Other Lawyers Say

POSTED: 4:36 pm EDT August 26, 2010

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- Casey Anthony recently got a jailhouse visit from an attorney renowned for her cross-examination of medical experts, jail records show.

Ocala attorney Dorothy Clay Sims visited Anthony in jail on July 30 for about an hour and a half.

Read more: http://www.wesh.com/news/24774586/detail.html

by sitemama Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:16 pm

How many attys can they keep adding to the defense side, and expect the taxpayers to pay for?

by Snaz Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:10 pm

The taxpayers are not paying for attorneys fees. Judge Perry only approved specified expenses for the attorneys... and I doubt he would approve paying for the expenses of any additional attorneys.

As of now though, no new attorneys have been added to the defense anyway... so it isn't an issue. These two attorneys simply visited KC in jail. If they join the defense, it will most likely be pro bono.

by Snaz Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:41 pm

Updated visitor log 8/9/10 through 9/13/10:
KC's Visitors in Jail 2e4y9mo

by Snaz Sat Sep 18, 2010 11:44 pm

"Psychologist Spending More Time With Casey Anthony in Jail

Saturday, September 18, 2010
By Express

http://www.cayleedaily.com/2010/09/psychologist-spending-more-time-with-casey-in-jail/

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