George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #4

Glad to see you talked yourself out of your funk CN.

Chickenbutt wrote:Must be dinnertime on the West Coast.

Absolutely correct CB - all done now. Yummmm

Uh oh, full work day, full belly....we know what that means...

Chickenbutt wrote:Uh oh, full work day, full belly....we know what that means...

Actually, it hit me at about 3pm - I was nodding at the computer. LOL I have a second wind right now. Had to get myself out of the GZ funk...the case law is in our favor despite the SYG law.

What I find incredibly hard to believe, is that GZ failed to land a single blow (besides the gunshot) or left a single mark or scratch (maybe the one on Trayvon's finger ?) while having his butt kicked. What kind of idiot fails to attempt any form of self defense while the recipient of "12" blows by someone's fists, having their head banged, mouth and nose covered? Primal instincts, prior to the fatal shot, would surely kick in at some point. If someone had their hands over my mouth, I would be making every effort to pull their hands away, likely digging my nails into his skin. At the very least I would bite him. It's like GZ is making himself out to be a defenseless child at the hands of a full grown man.

I thought I would also add one more cop term GZ used during his interview. He stated that he "cleared" the area.

Does anyone know if the police used any Luminol on the sidewalk where Trayvon allegedly banged GZ's head? Even if it was raining, concrete is porous and there should have been a positive indicator for the presence of blood.

A few more observations about GZ's statements to the police, and what I consider to be an strong indication that he is both stupid and a liar. Anyone with half a brain would know that someone who has just experienced a brutal beating with the majority of blows to the back of the head would be disoriented and a tremendous amount of pain. With pain comes an elevated pulse and blood pressure. IIRC, the paramedic made no mention of either in his report. If someone has had pressure applied to their mouth, especially by an angry person attempting to keep them quiet, it seems the lips would have been swollen and bleeding as well. If the nose is actually broken, isn't there usually a lot of bleeding? As in pressure and/or ice is needed to stop the flow of blood?
I think I read where GZ stated his face was covered with blood. Where is the cell phone photo of that? One would think that would be a very important photo to take. I don't recall any of the witnesses mentioning GZ's face all covered with blood.

Interesting thoughts Requiem.....the one that stands out to me is the lips. If someone is pushing down on your lips, then the INSIDE of your lips would be lacerated due to the pressure against your teeth. Great observation.

That's what I was thinking CB. I did just find out for myself that the nose does not always bleed when broken. However, every time I have ever seen someone after they have been hit in the nose during sports, etc., it is always bleeding.

I think the creepiest thing of all about GZ, is his total and complete lack of remorse. Even if it was self defense. He described killing that poor kid like it was a routine matter. Never any sign of emotion what so ever. Even when he was describing his own actions. I know when I (or anyone i know) retell an "exciting" story, my speech level and pace is all over the place. I would have expected Sorino to have to allow GZ time to calm down or slow down at least a few times. Even a few days later.
However, I suppose when someone has practiced "deployment" and has simulated battles in their mind or via video games as many times as GZ probably has, they might be somewhat desensitized to random acts of violence against others.

Let's all hope that if he does not go to prison for a very long time, that subspecie never decides to bring any future sociopaths into the world.

Requiem, did you hear the 911 call/confrontational audio? GZ was talking like he was reading a grocery list. The detective was telling him all about TM, what a good kid he was, showed him pics etc. I would have been a mess. Begging for forgiveness, feeling guilty, begging for God and TM's parents to forgive me. Not GZ.....just normal day to day behavior.

O/T in case anyone is interested. Sandusky jury has reached a verdict. Will convene court at 9:50 ET.

O/T Guilty of 45 of 48 counts!

Chickenbutt wrote:What I get out of this is GZ's clumsy attempt to flatter and bond with the officer. He may think that to compliment her on her "authoritative and commanding" presence would score him a few points. And he needs all the points he can get.

I would agree. He sounds like he is aligning himself with her and possibly trying to flatter her, come on to her in an attempt to "win" alliances.

Requiem wrote:What I find incredibly hard to believe, is that GZ failed to land a single blow (besides the gunshot) or left a single mark or scratch (maybe the one on Trayvon's finger ?) while having his butt kicked. What kind of idiot fails to attempt any form of self defense while the recipient of "12" blows by someone's fists, having their head banged, mouth and nose covered? Primal instincts, prior to the fatal shot, would surely kick in at some point. If someone had their hands over my mouth, I would be making every effort to pull their hands away, likely digging my nails into his skin. At the very least I would bite him. It's like GZ is making himself out to be a defenseless child at the hands of a full grown man.

I thought I would also add one more cop term GZ used during his interview. He stated that he "cleared" the area.

Does anyone know if the police used any Luminol on the sidewalk where Trayvon allegedly banged GZ's head? Even if it was raining, concrete is porous and there should have been a positive indicator for the presence of blood.

A few more observations about GZ's statements to the police, and what I consider to be an strong indication that he is both stupid and a liar. Anyone with half a brain would know that someone who has just experienced a brutal beating with the majority of blows to the back of the head would be disoriented and a tremendous amount of pain. With pain comes an elevated pulse and blood pressure. IIRC, the paramedic made no mention of either in his report. If someone has had pressure applied to their mouth, especially by an angry person attempting to keep them quiet, it seems the lips would have been swollen and bleeding as well. If the nose is actually broken, isn't there usually a lot of bleeding? As in pressure and/or ice is needed to stop the flow of blood?
I think I read where GZ stated his face was covered with blood. Where is the cell phone photo of that? One would think that would be a very important photo to take. I don't recall any of the witnesses mentioning GZ's face all covered with blood.

Requiem, IMO, I believe the reason that GZ did not fight back was because there really wasn't a beating - I believe Trayvon saw the gun, punched GZ, and there was scrappling around before anyone went to the ground, but by the time they went to the ground GZ already had his gun in hand - he didn't have to do anything but pull the trigger at that point. Everything else is fabrication.

There was speculation GZ may have inflicted his head injuries by running into an AC unit. Is this still being considered?

Wondering if there is another link to the Clubhouse video? I have tried a few different ways to get that video but am unable to... any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance!!

ellejay wrote:
--angela corey's office had all of the sanford site links taken down early on when they took over the investigation.

--as far as george saying that the girl was attacked........that's just george , making it up as he goes along, as usual.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-zimmerman-idUSBRE83O18H20120425
--snipped--

But it was the August incursion into the home of Olivia Bertalan that really troubled the neighborhood, particularly Zimmerman. Shellie was home most days, taking online courses towards certification as a registered nurse.

On August 3, Bertalan was at home with her infant son while her husband, Michael, was at work. She watched from a downstairs window, she said, as two black men repeatedly rang her doorbell and then entered through a sliding door at the back of the house. She ran upstairs, locked herself inside the boy's bedroom, and called a police dispatcher, whispering frantically.

"I said, 'What am I supposed to do? I hear them coming up the stairs!'" she told Reuters. Bertalan tried to coo her crying child into silence and armed herself with a pair of rusty scissors.

Police arrived just as the burglars - who had been trying to disconnect the couple's television - fled out a back door. Shellie Zimmerman saw a black male teen running through her backyard and reported it to police.

Yay, I'm glad to know I'm not totally crazy, thanks again, ellejay!!

CherokeeNative wrote:

Chickenbutt wrote:Uh oh, full work day, full belly....we know what that means...

Actually, it hit me at about 3pm - I was nodding at the computer. LOL I have a second wind right now. Had to get myself out of the GZ funk...the case law is in our favor despite the SYG law.

CN, once again, thank you for your excellent explanations and observations! :)

WeeBonnie wrote:I started a list the other morning after OMara dumped all the evidence.
Maybe we could all add or correct it by repasting last edit so it's a group effort?
I'm not much of a secretary but I think it's a great idea!

CherokeeNative wrote:I would like to start a list of all of the discrepancies - pointing out the discrepancies between GZ's different video statements and discrepancies between GZ's statements and the evidence that we know of. Anyone up for the challenge?

I think it's a good idea too! I'm not a very organized person, but if you figure out a way to work it out, I'd see what I could do to help.

justanopinion wrote:Wondering if there is another link to the Clubhouse video? I have tried a few different ways to get that video but am unable to... any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance!!

Are you talking about the link at Daily Kos? If so, that page is HEAVY with video, it took forever to load, I could have taken a walk while it was forwarding to a certain time-stamp. They need to paginate that sucker, but it's good since it points out the times/area to watch. It has to be George playing cop shining his flashlight around. I saw something pop up in the one where the guy says it's a face, but I couldn't see it well enough to make out any detail...and I wasn't about to try & make it full screen or my comp would start smoking!

Requiem wrote:That's what I was thinking CB. I did just find out for myself that the nose does not always bleed when broken. However, every time I have ever seen someone after they have been hit in the nose during sports, etc., it is always bleeding.

I think the creepiest thing of all about GZ, is his total and complete lack of remorse. Even if it was self defense. He described killing that poor kid like it was a routine matter. Never any sign of emotion what so ever. Even when he was describing his own actions. I know when I (or anyone i know) retell an "exciting" story, my speech level and pace is all over the place. I would have expected Sorino to have to allow GZ time to calm down or slow down at least a few times. Even a few days later.
However, I suppose when someone has practiced "deployment" and has simulated battles in their mind or via video games as many times as GZ probably has, they might be somewhat desensitized to random acts of violence against others.

Let's all hope that if he does not go to prison for a very long time, that subspecie never decides to bring any future sociopaths into the world.

Totally correct....Also, a person who claims to be the one that was screaming bloody murder wouldn't appear to be so calm just seconds of killing the person for which you were screaming for help from.

First, he is brave enough to leave his car in the dark to persue a "suspect" without having gun in hand.
Second, he claims to be headed back to his car but yet this so called suspect ends up dead 70 feet into a deserted walkway no where near the direction of where his car is.
Third, he claims that it was him screaming while his nose and mouth are being covered by the "suspects" hands, hands that are also reaching for his gun at the same time.
Fourth, he claims that it was so dark you couldn't see in front of you and that the "suspect" came out of bushes and attacked you. How would you know where he came from?
Fifth, he claims that he was attempting to take his cell phone out to call 911, yet when a neighbor steps out and says they are going to call 911, he tells them "don't call 911 their already on their way" instead he asks them to help him subdue Trayvon (who was already dead at this point).

He also claims to be looking for the street that he was on, yet he patrols the area on a regular bases, lived there for 3 years and he had to go look for the street name? He could have stayed right where he was at the mail boxes to wait for the police, but he didn't want the "suspect" to get away, yet he wants LE to believe that he didn't have his gun in his hand prepared to shoot. How would you expect to hold a "suspect" while you call 911?

I believe that he was attempting to keep Trayvon there while holding a gun on him and with his other hand he may have been attempting to call 911 to tell them that he caught the "suspect" and was holding him there. But when he reached for his cell Trayvon took the opportunity to punch Zimmerman in the nose and knock him to the ground.

If Trayvon did get on top of him (which I strongly doubt) it was in order to prevent Zimmerman from shooting him as he ran. If this be the case than Zimmerman shot Trayvon point blank due to the punch in the nose. But he had his gun drawn already. Also, in which case, IF Trayvon did try to go for the gun or Zimmerman was afraid that the "suspect" would get the gun from him, Trayvon was still defending himself against an attacker, the attacker being Zimmerman.

Also, the screams ceased immediately upon the shot being fired, if Zimmerman was the one screaming and still thought that Trayvon was alive that he tells a neighbor to help him subdue the suspect, then why did Zimmermans scream stop with the shot, after all, he thought that the "suspect" was still alive at this point and Zimmerman thought he was still in danger. So why stop screaming? Plus Zimmerman (in telling his story) points to the floor one minute and says his gun was there and then immediately says that he told the police that his weapon was in his holster. If the police came up while Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon because Zimmerman thought that Trayvon was still alive and dangerous, why would his weapon be in his holster at this point?

Zimmermans story (while being told on that video) sounds logical to the viewers UNTIL you start to break down his account of what took place. O'Mara should have never released that video (however, I think it would have been released eventually in any case) But I would expect the defense attorney to try and suppress that tape rather then put it out there.

I tend to be a little paranoid after the CA outcome, but I think that Zimmermans story will be torn apart by the presecution and Zimmerman will be found guilty.. If the jury is undesided they may come back with manslaughter, but I don't see Zimmerman getting off, he did kill an unarmed teen, he was the one that created the scenerio, I think it's going to be hard for the defense to say that Trayvon was the aggressor. JMO

and it's flimsy. He directed her towards the actions of hiding the money.

Gizmo711 wrote:

snowbird wrote:
On his myspace didn't he state that someone else was in trouble but did rat him out. Then it seems part for the course he would let his wife take the fall.
Now I know what it is going to be his defense at bond hearing, it is that he was afraid that something would happen to his wife if he spoke up.

You could be right, I didn't think about that but that may very well be his excuse.

I'm going to add here that like most of GZs BS, it's more about him.
He WISHED to be seen as commanding and put himself in the NW leadership. He wished no one would "question his deployment" so he could be a cop.
I believe most of the words and actions he ascribed to Trayvon were actually his. He was fond of the word homies and all that swearing and slang. He was the one lurking and checking his neighbors houses. He was probably the one lurking and jumping out of nowhere as Dee Dee said. He is likely the one issuing Dirty Harry style death threats too, and reaching for the gun. Same as he blamed his wife after she reported his abuse. It's his pattern.

Freckles wrote:

Chickenbutt wrote:What I get out of this is GZ's clumsy attempt to flatter and bond with the officer. He may think that to compliment her on her "authoritative and commanding" presence would score him a few points. And he needs all the points he can get.

I would agree. He sounds like he is aligning himself with her and possibly trying to flatter her, come on to her in an attempt to "win" alliances.

I read somewhere that when he got out of the car, if he turned around there were street numbers. At any rate it makes zero sense that he would look for street numbers that he knew were completely unhelpful. Trayvon wasn't near them, and he says he had no intention of staying at that location either. It's not logical at all, just an attempt to blame the dispatcher for his choices.
That the problem that I have with Talk Left. It's interesting to hear them look at GZ s statements in a vacumn without taking into his account his other lies. Fine. But that doesn't mean that something so totally implausible should or will be accepted as fact when it's so very non sensical. Sure GZ said all the right things to trigger a SYG defense, but it doesn't mean the statements hold up under any scrutiny.

I found the list I started on the last page of the last thread. Posted 10:21 am on Thurs.
It's not letting me copy or quote from it though. :-/
Anybody know a work around?!

serenaz1 wrote:

WeeBonnie wrote:I started a list the other morning after OMara dumped all the evidence.
Maybe we could all add or correct it by repasting last edit so it's a group effort?
I'm not much of a secretary but I think it's a great idea!

I think it's a good idea too! I'm not a very organized person, but if you figure out a way to work it out, I'd see what I could do to help.

And now I'm wondering if we had tapes of all the calls he made- how quickly he was able to rattle off addresses without hesitation. Does anyone think there's a dispatcher or PO ready to testify that Zimmerman knew the street names and landmarks like the back of his hand?

WeeBonnie wrote:I read somewhere that when he got out of the car, if he turned around there were street numbers. At any rate it makes zero sense that he would look for street numbers that he knew were completely unhelpful. Trayvon wasn't near them, and he says he had no intention of staying at that location either. It's not logical at all, just an attempt to blame the dispatcher for his choices.
That the problem that I have with Talk Left. It's interesting to hear them look at GZ s statements in a vacumn without taking into his account his other lies. Fine. But that doesn't mean that something so totally implausible should or will be accepted as fact when it's so very non sensical. Sure GZ said all the right things to trigger a SYG defense, but it doesn't mean the statements hold up under any scrutiny.

I have to tear myself away till Sunday.
Y'all have a great weekend!

Bye Wee....Will miss you this weekend! Have fun doing whatever you are doing!

Here is WeeBonnie's list from the last thread:

George says flashlight broken, cops say wrong, it works fine.

George says he was still calling for help after he fired the shot, witnesses say the calls stopped cold.

George says Trayvon sat up, and he thinks maybe he pushed him away- cant really explain how he was laying face down. If he pushed him and they were face to face- he'd be face up, right?

At stress test, he says he neighbor (John) came out after the shots were fired and he was on top. John says that he was out before and it was Trayvon. So he negates his own best witness.

George says Trayvon was still talking after being shot..more than the you got me...when he pulled his arms away from his body he says he said more but at reenactment he doesn't know what he said. Then during stress test he said he was cursing at him.

Good morning CN......nice start to the list from Wee..

All I can suggest is that everyone list out the discrepancies that they have noticed... I will copy and paste them as we go along and once we have everything, I can organize them into the timeline and we can then plug in the evidence/facts/witness statements that we have to see what we end up with.

List additions:

GZ says he stretched TM's arms out, yet he was found with his hands beneath him

GZ said the gun was on the ground, yet it was holstered when LE arrived.

--@ the bond hearing, after giving his 'apology to trayvon's parents', george tells de la rionda that he had also mentioned that he was sorry/felt sorry that they had lost their child---in a statement to LE.

--i don't recall anything of the sort in the stmts , did anyone else happen to hear that..(or is george just making it up again?)


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/20/cnr.02.html

ZIMMERMAN: In one of the statements, I said that I felt sorry for the family.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You did.

ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So that would be recorded because all those conversations were recorded, right?

ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you're sure you said that?

ZIMMERMAN: I'm fairly certain.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And so which officer did you tell that to? You made five statements I believe, total.

ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir, I'm sorry, all the names run together.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And do you remember if it was a male or a female?

ZIMMERMAN: There were both males and females.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At the time you made that statement that you were sorry?

ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And let me make sure the record's clear, you stated exactly what to those detectives?

ZIMMERMAN: I don't remember exactly what -- verbatim.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you're saying you expressed concern for the loss of Mr. Martin, or that you had shot Mr. Martin, that you actually felt sorry for him.

ZIMMERMAN: I felt sorry that they lost their child, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And so you told detectives that you wanted them to convey that to the parents?

ZIMMERMAN: I don't know if they were detectives or not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Officers, I apologize.

ZIMMERMAN: I didn't know if they were going to convey it or not. I just made the statement.

Ellejays post brought something to mind to add to the list:

GZ calls TM a teenager in the 911 call, but at the bond hearing he says he thought TM was a few years younger than him.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-22/news/os-george-zimmerman-media-challenge-20120622_1_jailhouse-scott-ponce-circuit-judge-kenneth-lester
News Companies: Release more Zimmerman Jailhouse phone calls
--snipped--

News companies this week filed a new round of challenges in Sanford, asking the judge in the George Zimmerman murder case to unseal more state records, including more than 100 recorded jailhouse calls.

Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester Jr. last week ordered them unsealed, but defense attorneyMark O'Marahas asked him to reconsider.

O'Mara argues that Zimmerman's calls, while he was in the Seminole County Jail in April, should not be made public if they have no evidentiary value.

That would only compromise the privacy of the people to whom Zimmerman spoke, he says.

He's also asked the judge to block the release of part of the police statement by "witness 9," Zimmerman's former girlfriend.

She's believed to have told police that Zimmerman made ugly comments about blacks.

O'Mara says he and prosecutors agree that her statement is inadmissible. It shouldn't be released, he wrote in court paperwork, because Zimmerman has been the subject of "international public ridicule" and several death threats, and this woman's statements would reignite that and make it hard for him to get a fair trial.

The judge will hear arguments June 29.


--in other "news" ---checking in on george, he has had more $$'s deposited to his comm account...i wonder if he's on the phone 16 times a day like he was the 1st time around?

http://webbond.seminolesheriff.org/InmateInfo.aspx?bkgnbr=201200006746
--george: account balance: $550.99

ellejay wrote:
--@ the bond hearing, after giving his 'apology to trayvon's parents', george tells de la rionda that he had also mentioned that he was sorry/felt sorry that they had lost their child---in a statement to LE.

--i don't recall anything of the sort in the stmts , did anyone else happen to hear that..(or is george just making it up again?)


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/20/cnr.02.html

ZIMMERMAN: In one of the statements, I said that I felt sorry for the family.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You did.

ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So that would be recorded because all those conversations were recorded, right?

ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you're sure you said that?

ZIMMERMAN: I'm fairly certain.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And so which officer did you tell that to? You made five statements I believe, total.

ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir, I'm sorry, all the names run together.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And do you remember if it was a male or a female?

ZIMMERMAN: There were both males and females.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At the time you made that statement that you were sorry?

ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And let me make sure the record's clear, you stated exactly what to those detectives?

ZIMMERMAN: I don't remember exactly what -- verbatim.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But you're saying you expressed concern for the loss of Mr. Martin, or that you had shot Mr. Martin, that you actually felt sorry for him.

ZIMMERMAN: I felt sorry that they lost their child, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And so you told detectives that you wanted them to convey that to the parents?

ZIMMERMAN: I don't know if they were detectives or not.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Officers, I apologize.

ZIMMERMAN: I didn't know if they were going to convey it or not. I just made the statement.

No, when the show him the pictures, when they told him Martin was a kid with a bag of skittle and ice tea, that he had his whole future ahead of him. There was no emotion from George, there was no "I am sorry for his family" zero, nada, nothing

I don't know if this link has been posted, but it is the handbook for the Sanford Neighborhood Watch Program participants. Seems to me, "Captain" Z was a bit remiss in fulfilling his role as a founding member.
The handbook specifically states that residents are not to Take any risks or attempt to apprehend.
Since GZ seems to have taken his role as the keeper of the hood so seriously, I call BS on his claim that he did not know which street he was on, and I would assume he had written down the names of all streets in the subdivision. If his memory can't be counted on after using several senses to obtain information to make his list, then dude is severly limited in the IQ department.

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/NWProgramHandbook.pdf

I would assume if he didn't have good memory he would have written down street names, after all he kept telling his wife to write down things so she would not forget.

We thought Shellie was the one with the bad memory, when in fact they both can't remember.

--discrepancies:


--interview w/ detective singleton feb.26th.

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/zimmerman-with-investigator-singleton-feb-26-pt-1/vcQ2N/

13:17--they said “would you like a police officer to meet you?” and I said yes. And I told them where my car was and the make and the model…

--911 call

911 dispatcher:
Alright, where are you going to meet with them at?
Zimmerman:
Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck..(no mention of make/model.)


13:20--and I was walking back through, to where my car was, and he jumped out from the bushes, and he said, “what the f*ck’s your problem homie?” and I got my cell phone out , to call 911 this time, and I say, “ hey man,I don’t have a problem” and he goes, “now you have a problem” and he punched me in the nose.

Re-enactment

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-reenactment-trayvon-martin-shooting/story?id=16616864&page=2

0:11—he was about where you are (at the “T” of the sidewalks)--(no bushes) ---and I said “no I don’t have a problem” and I went to go grab my cell phone, but my, and I’d left it in a different pocket, and I looked down at my pant pocket, and he said “you got a problem now” and then he was here, and he punched me in the face.

ellejay wrote:--discrepancies:


--interview w/ detective singleton feb.26th.

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/zimmerman-with-investigator-singleton-feb-26-pt-1/vcQ2N/

13:17--they said “would you like a police officer to meet you?” and I said yes. And I told them where my car was and the make and the model…

--911 call

911 dispatcher:
Alright, where are you going to meet with them at?
Zimmerman:
Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck..(no mention of make/model.)


13:20--and I was walking back through, to where my car was, and he jumped out from the bushes, and he said, “what the f*ck’s your problem homie?” and I got my cell phone out , to call 911 this time, and I say, “ hey man,I don’t have a problem” and he goes, “now you have a problem” and he punched me in the nose.

Re-enactment

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-reenactment-trayvon-martin-shooting/story?id=16616864&page=2

0:11—he was about where you are (at the “T” of the sidewalks)--(no bushes) ---and I said “no I don’t have a problem” and I went to go grab my cell phone, but my, and I’d left it in a different pocket, and I looked down at my pant pocket, and he said “you got a problem now” and then he was here, and he punched me in the face.

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HUGE BS... Cell phone my A**. Why would Trayvon say that? Did he know that George was reaching for a cell phone in the dark? Did George tell Trayvon that he was reaching for his cell phone and, darn! ... it's not there? Be real, George, it's dark and Trayvon has no idea in He** what you're reaching for so, logically, at this point Trayvon is going to assume you're reaching for some weapon. (Who wouldn't if you were Trayvon? This guy's been following you and suddenly, he's reaching into a pocket... or HOLSTER, imo.) Trayvon did NOT say "You got a problem now." Impossible! But GEORGE might have said exactly that to Trayvon if George had just reached for and gotten his gun out. Now George has the gun... it's true, now Trayvon DID have a problem. All just my opinion... but much more logical that what George says!
This probably is the point where Trayvon got a few whacks in to George's nose or whatever, George fell backwards and smacked his head .... then Trayvon ran, screaming for help. George followed again... why not? He's got the gun.

--didn't we also hear earlier (maybe from robZ sr? b/c he was present, as an observer, at the reenactment..) that LE had george lie down and re-do the screaming for "help! help"...

--if so, then i wonder why omara didn't treat us to this additional piece of george dramarama?

--or am i making things up now?

Hinky's Mimi wrote:

ellejay wrote:--discrepancies:


--interview w/ detective singleton feb.26th.

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/zimmerman-with-investigator-singleton-feb-26-pt-1/vcQ2N/

13:17--they said “would you like a police officer to meet you?” and I said yes. And I told them where my car was and the make and the model…

--911 call

911 dispatcher:
Alright, where are you going to meet with them at?
Zimmerman:
Um, if they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the clubhouse and, uh, straight past the clubhouse and make a left and then go past the mailboxes you’ll see my truck..(no mention of make/model.)


13:20--and I was walking back through, to where my car was, and he jumped out from the bushes, and he said, “what the f*ck’s your problem homie?” and I got my cell phone out , to call 911 this time, and I say, “ hey man,I don’t have a problem” and he goes, “now you have a problem” and he punched me in the nose.

Re-enactment

http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-reenactment-trayvon-martin-shooting/story?id=16616864&page=2

0:11—he was about where you are (at the “T” of the sidewalks)--(no bushes) ---and I said “no I don’t have a problem” and I went to go grab my cell phone, but my, and I’d left it in a different pocket, and I looked down at my pant pocket, and he said “you got a problem now” and then he was here, and he punched me in the face.

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HUGE BS... Cell phone my A**. Why would Trayvon say that? Did he know that George was reaching for a cell phone in the dark? Did George tell Trayvon that he was reaching for his cell phone and, darn! ... it's not there? Be real, George, it's dark and Trayvon has no idea in He** what you're reaching for so, logically, at this point Trayvon is going to assume you're reaching for some weapon. (Who wouldn't if you were Trayvon? This guy's been following you and suddenly, he's reaching into a pocket... or HOLSTER, imo.) Trayvon did NOT say "You got a problem now." Impossible! But GEORGE might have said exactly that to Trayvon if George had just reached for and gotten his gun out. Now George has the gun... it's true, now Trayvon DID have a problem. All just my opinion... but much more logical that what George says!
This probably is the point where Trayvon got a few whacks in to George's nose or whatever, George fell backwards and smacked his head .... then Trayvon ran, screaming for help. George followed again... why not? He's got the gun.

Trayvon ran screaming for help and George followed again would explain how Trayron body was found dead at 70ft from where the fight started.

snowbird wrote:
Trayvon ran screaming for help and George followed again would explain how Trayron body was found dead at 70ft from where the fight started.

--exactly. (but remember, george never "follows" trayvon---he just goes "in the same direction"..)

FYI = I am copying all the discrepancies you all are listing. Keep up the great work. :-)

ellejay wrote:

snowbird wrote:
Trayvon ran screaming for help and George followed again would explain how Trayron body was found dead at 70ft from where the fight started.

--exactly. (but remember, george never "follows" trayvon---he just goes "in the same direction"..)

I can't even believe that he thought that explantation was going to fly. I wonder if he felt stupid when the detective laugh and said George that is following someone. It really reminded me of the TV show the dumbest criminal.

Lies and falsehoods of GZ:

Age:
GZ told dispatcher he thought TM was a "young" punk (or something like that.

At the bond hearing, on the stand, GZ told the court (and the Martin family) he thought TM was older, closer to GZ' age.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/21/zimmerman_new_files.html
George Zimmerman re-enacts scuffle with Trayvon Martin

--snipped--

Zimmerman told police he answered, "I don't have a problem." That, according to Zimmerman, was when Martin attacked him, hitting him in the face as he screamed "help me" at least 50 times.

"And then I tried squirming again, because all I could think about was I felt my head was going to explode, and I thought I would lose consciousness," said Zimmerman. "So I tried to squirm off the concrete, and when I did that, someone here opened the door, and I said 'Help me,' and they said, 'I'll call 911.' But I said, 'No, help me. I need help.' That's when my jacket moved up, and I had my firearm on my right hip."

"My jacket moved up, he looked at it and said, 'You're going to die tonight, [expletive],'" Zimmerman said. "And he reached for it, but I felt his arm going down to my side, and I grabbed it and shot him one time."

Police then asked Zimmerman what Martin said after he shot the teen.

"I shot him, and I didn't think I hit him, because he sat up and said 'You got me,' 'You got it,' something like that," Zimmerman recalled.

Our legal analysts said there are two important things to consider in examining Zimmerman's story: Provocation and escalation.

Zimmerman said he was going back to his car, when Martin came out of the bushes.

As far what escalated the situation, Zimmerman claimed Martin put his hand over his month, and he believed the teen was reaching for his gun.

So what does that mean for the case? If Judge Kenneth Lester believes Zimmerman's account, then under a "Stand Your Ground" defense, he would walk.

As to whether his story is believable, it's the prosecution's job to prove it's not.

I swear I read a transcript where George says he said 'fing goons', but then in one of the audio interviews he said 'fing punks'. Does anyone else remember the 'goons' statement & where I saw it?

If he did say goons in the interview, that tells me he really said coons in the 911 call.

serenaz1 wrote:I swear I read a transcript where George says he said 'fing goons', but then in one of the audio interviews he said 'fing punks'. Does anyone else remember the 'goons' statement & where I saw it?

If he did say goons in the interview, that tells me he really said coons in the 911 call.

--you saw the "goons" comment here, when Cher posted on the exchange between serino and george going over the 911 call.

Cher---"Not to bring up the issue again - so please don't take off on this - I am just noting an observation that LE do not believe this as well. Did you notice that Serino stops the 911 tape and says, what did you call him? And GZ says "f*cking goon" and Serino plays it again, and says, yeah, you didn't say "f*cking goon".... LOL So clearly, this is something that the state is leaving to the DOJ to prosecute if the State is not successful in its state court case".

--but that's not what was said...( i hear them say punks, not goons.)

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/zimmerman-audio-interview-with-sanford-pd-on-feb/vcQzm/

@ approx.7:15

--“f*cking ****”
Serino—"what was that you whispered there"?
--plays it back again, “f*cking ****”
Serino--“Those f*cking what"?
George—“punks”.
Serino—“Punks------that wasn’t f*cking punks.”

http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2012/06/george-zimmermans-written-statement.html

--"eyes for lies" analysis of george's written statement.


http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2012/06/george-zimmernans-reenactment-my.html

--"eyes for lies" analysis of george's video reenactment.

ellejay wrote:

serenaz1 wrote:I swear I read a transcript where George says he said 'fing goons', but then in one of the audio interviews he said 'fing punks'. Does anyone else remember the 'goons' statement & where I saw it?

If he did say goons in the interview, that tells me he really said coons in the 911 call.

--you saw the "goons" comment here, when Cher posted on the exchange between serino and george going over the 911 call.

Cher---"Not to bring up the issue again - so please don't take off on this - I am just noting an observation that LE do not believe this as well. Did you notice that Serino stops the 911 tape and says, what did you call him? And GZ says "f*cking goon" and Serino plays it again, and says, yeah, you didn't say "f*cking goon".... LOL So clearly, this is something that the state is leaving to the DOJ to prosecute if the State is not successful in its state court case".

--but that's not what was said...( i hear them say punks, not goons.)

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/zimmerman-audio-interview-with-sanford-pd-on-feb/vcQzm/

@ approx.7:15

--“f*cking ****”
Serino—"what was that you whispered there"?
--plays it back again, “f*cking ****”
Serino--“Those f*cking what"?
George—“punks”.
Serino—“Punks------that wasn’t f*cking punks.”

Ahh, ok, that must have been it, thanks!

CherokeeNative wrote:

I must admit that I start getting worried about GZ ever being held accountable for Trayvon's death. I start listening to the talking heads and forget the case authority that is in Trayvon's favor.

--snipped--

--i was thinking about why omara would "choose" to release the docs......for one thing, having the defense put them out there would be "see, we got nothing to hide here-----go ahead, read them, you'll see that our client was (attacked? telling the truth? in fear for his life? had his head bashed in?)..... blah di blah..."

--and, he wanted the "talking heads" to fall all over themselves commenting as they did, in favour of george---"yep, if george's version of events is true, he was 'standing his ground'...blah di blah".

--b/c---he didn't only want the public to get talking about it ahead of schedule, he wanted it to have an effect on judgeL also----in his "2nd shot at bond" decision.

--hopefully, judgeL doesn't fall for omara's sneak attack, and "stands His ground":

http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/order%20revoking%20bond.pdf

JudgeL: "Most importantly, though, is the fact that he has now demonstrated that he does not properly respect the law or the integrity of the judicial process."