Rebecca Zahau Found Dead at Historic Mansion 7/13/11 #2

Lash-
Did he? Or is this somehow connected back to the properties he already owned--- either the one placed in joint (where Max fell) or the one DS was living in? Somehow I am seeing sleight of hand here.

I really have no clue except for what the article states. The cities of Del Mar and Coronado are 30 minutes and 25 miles away from each other according to Google.

I thought the "date" was interesting: October last year. Wasn't that the month that we were "told" that Spreckels had been sold?

http://www.cbs8.com/story/19024331/coronado

Families speak out on anniversary of Coronado mansion deaths

Posted: Jul 14, 2012 1:16 AM EDT Updated: Jul 14, 2012 1:42 AM EDT


(snip) Rudoy told News 8 that the San Diego County Sheriff still has not returned some of Zahau's personal belongs to the family, like her camera, computer or cell phone. He said the Sheriff did make the cell phone available for an independent forensic inspection by an expert hired by the family. That forensic report still is not complete, Rudoy said. (snip)

Hello? The SDSO says the case is "closed". What could any reasonable explanation be to support their keeping such things as a camera and computer? All that information can be downloaded in a heartbeat.

Puzzler wrote:I thought the "date" was interesting: October last year. Wasn't that the month that we were "told" that Spreckels had been sold?

I think you are correct....


Spreckels mansion sold; Evidence released to Zahau family

Posted: Oct 31, 2011 7:57 PM CDT
Updated: Nov 01, 2011 1:28 AM CDT
Video Report By Jeff Zevely, Reporter

CORONADO (CBS 8) -- The historic Spreckels mansion in Coronado where Rebecca Zahau, 32, and a six-year-old boy suffered fatal injuries in separate incidents this summer has been sold to an investment group for an undisclosed price.

The Coronado-based listing agent, Scott Aurich, told News 8 he was contacted a few weeks ago by the mansion's owner, Jonah Shacknai, 54, who asked him to negotiate a deal.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15919335/infamous-coronado-mansion-sold

Anne Bremner‏@annembremner


Poll: Did Rebecca Zahau Kill Herself at Spreckels Mansion on 7/13/2011? - Lemon Grove, CA Patch

http://lemongrove.patch.com/articles/poll- …

Puzzler wrote:http://www.cbs8.com/story/19024331/coronado

Families speak out on anniversary of Coronado mansion deaths

Posted: Jul 14, 2012 1:16 AM EDT Updated: Jul 14, 2012 1:42 AM EDT


(snip) Rudoy told News 8 that the San Diego County Sheriff still has not returned some of Zahau's personal belongs to the family, like her camera, computer or cell phone. He said the Sheriff did make the cell phone available for an independent forensic inspection by an expert hired by the family. That forensic report still is not complete, Rudoy said. (snip)

Hello? The SDSO says the case is "closed". What could any reasonable explanation be to support their keeping such things as a camera and computer? All that information can be downloaded in a heartbeat.

It was not said whether the computer and camera were made available for independent forensic inspection.

Why would they specifically refuse to return the camera, computer and cell phone?

And what will a lawsuit by Dina uncover? I found it curious that Rudoy said that they would not release information because the Sheriff said that he would reveal information damaging to Rebecca and her family. I hope that Dina does launch a suit against ... somebody.... anybody. Only through a thorough discovery will the public ever have answers to what happened here

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Mother to talk about son's death 1 year later
Posted: Jul 16, 2012 9:33 AM EDT| Updated: Jul 16, 2012 10:44 AM EDT

One year after the death of her young son, Dina Shacknai will hold a news conference at 11 a.m. Monday.

http://www.kpho.com/story/19033070/mother-to-talk-about-sons-death-1-year-later

Mom of boy in Coronado mansion death breaks yearlong silence
by Catherine Holland| Video report by Ryan O'Donnell
Posted on July 16, 2012 at 10:06 AM | Updated today at 10:20 AM

Snip - Last July, Max, 6, fell from the second-floor staircase of Spreckles Mansion. He was in the care of his father's girlfriend, Rebecca Zahau at the time. Zahau's naked body was found hanging from a balcony a couple of days later.

Zahau's death was ruled a suicide, although a second autopsy raised questions about that.

"I lean very strongly toward it being a homicide, something involving foul play, and I lean very strongly against a suicide," said forensic pathologist Dr. Cyril Wecht on a "Dr. Phil" show dedicated to the case in November.

Zahau's family has been adamant that she did not kill herself.

Max's death was ruled an accident, but Shacknai believes there's more to it. Much more.

"It's still my job to find out what really happened to him, isn't it?" she said in an exclusive interview with Phoenix Magazine. That interview will appear in the new issue, which hits newsstands this week.

Shacknai also told the magazine that she and her ex-husband had agreed that Zahau would not babysit Max, known affectionately by his family as Maxie. She also said she wished she could ask Zahau what happened the day Max fell.

Monday's news conference will be the first time Shacknai has spoken publicly about her son and his death. The foundation she has created, Maxie's H.O.U.S.E., is designed to protect children whose parents are divorced. "H.O.U.S.E." is an acronym for hope, outreach, understanding, safety and education.

video and more @ link-

http://www.azfamily.com/news/Mom-of-boy-in-Coronado-mansion-death-breaks-silence-162601416.html

Dina Shacknai said at the news conference that she had spoken with her ex-husband about concerns she had with Zahau. She said she did not believe Zahau should care for her child.

Dina Shacknai said the private investigation she launched on her son's death has been completed. Dina Shacknai said the investigation found that her son's death was not accidental but is not releasing the details of the investigation at this time.
http://www.kpho.com/story/19033070/mother-to-talk-about-sons-death-1-year-later

Mother announces new nonprofit to honor son, help children-
Full 21 minute video

http://www.kpho.com/story/19033070/mother-to-talk-about-sons-death-1-year-later

ETA - fixed link

Eileen_Dover wrote:Dina Shacknai said at the news conference that she had spoken with her ex-husband about concerns she had with Zahau. She said she did not believe Zahau should care for her child.

Dina Shacknai said the private investigation she launched on her son's death has been completed. Dina Shacknai said the investigation found that her son's death was not accidental but is not releasing the details of the investigation at this time.http://www.kpho.com/story/19033070/mother-to-talk-about-sons-death-1-year-later

BOMBSHELL statement, seems like to me

Thank you EILEEN... :)

From Coronado Patch: "Breaking: Mother of boy who died following fall at Spreckels mansion one year ago questions his cause of death, calls for meeting with Coronado police » "

Is it at all interesting that it is the Coronado Police Department and not the Sheriff's Department that she is asking for the meeting?

Just askin'

GlaringError wrote:Is it at all interesting that it is the Coronado Police Department and not the Sheriff's Department that she is asking for the meeting?

Just askin'

Hi GlaringError - The Coronado Police Department was responsible for the investigation into Max's "accident" while the SDSO was responsible for investigation into Rebecca's death. You will remember that CPD Chief Scanlon was not present at the Sept 2 Press Conference, apparently called out of town unexpectedly IIRC (cough cough).

Eileen... okay... thanks for the clarification that CPD was responsible for Max's investigation.

I hope this is sincere inquiry by Dina and not just a smoke screen orchestrated by ... well, you know....

Dina's lawyer is Sinner Angela Hallier.

A divorce attorney who leans to mediation and arbitration... ie. negotiation hidden from the public realm.

Totally in my opinion and bias of my own mind: If I planned on having an all-out war with a powerful guy, which was going to be public... I would get a brilliant litigator, a baracuda....

Therefore, I think this MAY not be the prelude to copious amounts of new information and sworn testimony in a public forum.

Eileen_Dover wrote:Dina Shacknai said at the news conference that she had spoken with her ex-husband about concerns she had with Zahau. She said she did not believe Zahau should care for her child.

Dina Shacknai said the private investigation she launched on her son's death has been completed. Dina Shacknai said the investigation found that her son's death was not accidental but is not releasing the details of the investigation at this time.
http://www.kpho.com/story/19033070/mother-to-talk-about-sons-death-1-year-later

No one wants another person caring for her child. Not if she loves the child. She will have the jitters. At the same time, while there is an indication Rebecca was murdered, there is nothing to show Rebecca was involved in whatever befell Max. I can understand DS wanting to blame someone. Heaven help her if she were to put the blame where it truly belongs! BOTH the parents had a duty to Max. A much greater duty than anyone else. DS should be looking at her ex- for answers IMO.
While she may want to blame a voiceless victim, RZ did not have any police report filed on her. Others in Max's life, however, did have plenty of PD reports for violence.

DS knows the grieving process: One stage involves the blaming someone else.
This is what she is doing now. Even counselors go through grieving.

BTW, why wasn't DS notified sooner of Max's injury?

Video containing a brief interview with attorney Martin Rudoy. The reporter comments Rudoy said they should know by the end of the summer if Rebecca's case will be reopened.

War of words escalates over Coronado Mansion deaths

http://www.cbs8.com/story/19036597/dina-shacknai-launches-foundation-in-late-sons-memory

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/america-live/index.html

Eileen_Dover wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/america-live/index.html

Great interview! I'm glad the cases are receiving national attention again!

Eileen_Dover wrote:Dina Shacknai said at the news conference that she had spoken with her ex-husband about concerns she had with Zahau. She said she did not believe Zahau should care for her child.

Dina Shacknai said the private investigation she launched on her son's death has been completed. Dina Shacknai said the investigation found that her son's death was not accidental but is not releasing the details of the investigation at this time.
http://www.kpho.com/story/19033070/mother-to-talk-about-sons-death-1-year-later

Ugh...the misreporting by the media! Unless they had a private interview. What is stated in the article is not what was said in the press conference.

thanks, Lash :) I'm going to have to go back and watch that conference or look for the transcript.

The one thing that stands out like a sore thumb to me, is that, 3 are three concerned parties here: 2 of the 3 have questions. Which of these things is not like the other?

DS interview with Phoenix Magazine...

Almost a year has passed since Max died in a San Diego hospital bed – reduced to a sobering footnote in the tabloid circus that ensued after the nude, bound body of Rebecca Zahau, his father’s girlfriend, was discovered in the same Coronado mansion where Max suffered a mortal fall two days earlier.

Read more: http://www.phoenixmag.com/lifestyle/...--interrupted/

inthedark wrote:DS interview with Phoenix Magazine...

Almost a year has passed since Max died in a San Diego hospital bed – reduced to a sobering footnote in the tabloid circus that ensued after the nude, bound body of Rebecca Zahau, his father’s girlfriend, was discovered in the same Coronado mansion where Max suffered a mortal fall two days earlier.

Read more: http://www.phoenixmag.com/lifestyle/...--interrupted/

Thank you, inthedark.

The link to the article didn't open.

We will try the link below to see if it works.


BOY, INTERRUPTED

Author: Craig Outhier
Issue: August, 2012, Page 124

http://www.phoenixmag.com/lifestyle/valley-news/201208/boy--interrupted/

Yours opened A_D thank you...I'm a little bit new to this so please accept my apologies...

GlaringError wrote:thanks, Lash :) I'm going to have to go back and watch that conference or look for the transcript.

The one thing that stands out like a sore thumb to me, is that, 3 are three concerned parties here: 2 of the 3 have questions. Which of these things is not like the other?

You're welcome. Several things stand out. During the p/c I do not hear "this was not an accident" nor did I hear "Zahau should not care for her child". I understand some might say this is just semantics. In my opinion when the chosen words change the whole story, it is misreporting and inaccurate.

I have listened to the press conference multiple times. I never specifically hear Dina nor her attorney state they believe Maxie's death was not an accident. I hear they do not believe the accident scenario put forth by LE. However, most of the media is reporting differently. We can assume the family does not believe Maxie's death was an accident, but in my opinion the media has the responsibility to report the facts.

During the p/c we were told that Dina had requested a meeting with Rebecca when she started spending more time with Maxie. Dina does not say Zahau should not care for her child. Again, semantics? However, inaccurate words have the power to misdirect readers. Here is a snippet of Dina from the p/c at about 4:00 minutes into the video.

"Some of the information Rebecca provided me at the time was inaccurate, such as her current legal name and the fact that she had a previous criminal record. Not wanting to go back to the courts, I sat down with Jonah to see what we could do to help me feel more comfortable with having Max to be around Rebecca. While I requested Max never be left alone with Rebecca, I did finally concede that Max not be left alone with Rebecca if she were with any of her other family members. And as we know this was the case on the day of my sons death."

http://www.kpho.com/story/19033070/mother-to-talk-about-sons-death-1-year-later

inthedark wrote:Yours opened A_D thank you...I'm a little bit new to this so please accept my apologies...

Don'r worry about it, there is no need to apologize, it happens to me a lot.

Interesting article. Can't wait for part 2!

I wonder why Dina Shacknai would feel that RZ was being deceitful by using her previous married name (Nalepa), back when they had that conversation she describes in the article? Seems more than a bit petty.

Dina doesn't seem to mind using Jonah's name NOW. And they have been divorced quite a while.

I suppose she never changed her name back to Romano.

Hmmmmm......

KZ wrote:Interesting article. Can't wait for part 2!

It is an interesting article and sad. I feel for Dina and any parent that loses a child. The story of Maxie smiling on the subway was very sweet. I enjoy the stories of his life. He was a fascinating little boy.

KZ wrote:I wonder why Dina Shacknai would feel that RZ was being deceitful by using her previous married name (Nalepa), back when they had that conversation she describes in the article? Seems more than a bit petty.

Dina doesn't seem to mind using Jonah's name NOW. And they have been divorced quite a while.

I suppose she never changed her name back to Romano.

Hmmmmm......

Let's see. Dina felt Rebecca deceitful since she used her married name when Rebecca and Jonah got together.
Rebecca was married, yet legally separated from Neil Nalepa at that time, thus she was still using her married name (Nalepa).
Rebecca changed her name back to her maiden name (Zahau) in early 2011, a couple of years after she and Jonah began dating.
Rebecca was charged with one count of shoplifting.
(Feel free to correct me any time)

Dina's mother referred to her as Dina Flores.
The media has been fairly consistent in referring to her as Dina Romano (wondering how that came about if she never changed her name back).
Dina apparently refers to herself as Dina Shacknai.
According to Police, there were a number of domestic violence reports involving Dina.

Perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.

I hope Dina's investigation and calling for a meeting with LE will bring out the truth about what happened to both Max and Rebecca.

Agreed eileen.

Puzzling why a woman who holds so much animosity/ anger/ "_____" towards Jonah Shacknai is so willing to use that name herself? Wonder why? And why hold so much animosity against RZ using her married name?

I guess I'm just not smart enough to figure that one out. I'm sure someone will help me out here.

Pretty obvious from her presser she is VERY mad at Jonah, as well as RZ. She spent more time talking about her anger & suspicions about Jonah and RZ than about her new NP. That makes you go, "hmmmm...."

I genuinely hope she is seeking out a competent counselor to help her process all of this-- not just attorneys and board members and investigators. The death of your only child is gut wrenching and devastating. No one gets over that in a year. Or ever, really.

I'm very interested to see what this nonprofit accomplishes over the next year or 2. I don't know that I agree that Max was in a dangerous situation with Rebecca and Jonah, but clearly Dina thinks Max was unsafe with them. I know a lot of kids ARE in a dangerous situation who are children of divorce. I truly hope the NP will look at situations like that. And "raise awareness" and be a resource. I hope they conduct and/ or sponsor peer reviewed and published research studies into the problem-- that would be a real beginning to help. Sounds like they are in the infancy of a direction or plans for their efforts, but already have the momentum (and $$) to begin to accomplish something. I wish them well. The need is great.

Eileen_Dover wrote:

KZ wrote:I wonder why Dina Shacknai would feel that RZ was being deceitful by using her previous married name (Nalepa), back when they had that conversation she describes in the article? Seems more than a bit petty.

Dina doesn't seem to mind using Jonah's name NOW. And they have been divorced quite a while.

I suppose she never changed her name back to Romano.

Hmmmmm......

Let's see. Dina felt Rebecca deceitful since she used her married name when Rebecca and Jonah got together.
Rebecca was married, yet legally separated from Neil Nalepa at that time, thus she was still using her married name (Nalepa).
Rebecca changed her name back to her maiden name (Zahau) in early 2011, a couple of years after she and Jonah began dating.
Rebecca was charged with one count of shoplifting.
(Feel free to correct me any time)

Dina's mother referred to her as Dina Flores.
The media has been fairly consistent in referring to her as Dina Romano (wondering how that came about if she never changed her name back).
Dina apparently refers to herself as Dina Shacknai.
According to Police, there were a number of domestic violence reports involving Dina.

Perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black.

Maybe there is a further explanation, maybe not.

On Maxie's HOUSE board, Nina Romano is not listed as Nina Garner. She was not addressed at the press conference as Nina Garner. Would this be considered giving inaccurate information?

I guess Dina was probably not allowed to be around Jonah's children from his previous marriage, due to the official reports of domestic violence between Dina and Jonah.

Because that would be more than a little hypocritical for Dina to make completely unfounded accusations about RZ being somehow unsafe to be around Max, while she rolls out a nonprofit supposedly concerned with promoting the safety of children of divorce.

Shoplifting (one incident) does not even begin to equal a history of multiple episodes of domestic violence. Given the 2 situations, I think a judge or child protective services would find that a history of physical violence between 2 adults is far more serious than a shoplifting incident (and yes, Dina dished it out from reports-- she was not a shrinking violet victim).

Dina should be glad assault charges were not pursued by Jonah, because a history of assault would prevent her from working with children, or obtaining any kind of malpractice insurance. (Not that she needs malpractice insurance.) A history of assault would also have to be reported to the state licensing board. So Jonah did her a big favor by not pressing charges way back then.

I think it is hypocritical to use Rebecca as some sort of example when Dina and Jonah's past includes violence in the home. Rebecca's shoplifting charge did not include assault. A history of assault in a blended family should be more of a safety concern than shoplifting charges. 3 domestic incidents reported by Dina and Jonah. It is appalling to use a dead woman who cannot speak for herself. Jonah is not going to speak and Dina is obviously not going to take ownership of her own wrongdoings.


Snip- The records detail three incidents at the pharmaceutical tycoon's Arizona residence between 2007 and 2009. In one case, Shacknai claimed his wife had been drinking and taking prescription drugs before trying to choke him in September 2008.

Snip- In a letter to police, Shacknai wrote, "I have been assaulted physically several times by my wife... In one instance, I was treated for a broken finger as a consequence of one such assault."


Snip- The woman told police she was attacked by Shacknai's German shepherd during several arguments inside their Paradise Valley home, and turned over photos of past injuries allegedly inflicted by the dog as early as 2006.  In the reports, she claims Shacknai was "not quick to pull the dog away."

Snip- In 2009, the woman claimed Shacknai had elbowed her in the chest before driving off following an argument. Shacknai characterized the incident as a "nudge." The documents show no arrests were made and no criminal charges ever filed.


Snip- Phoenix police confirmed to RadarOnline.com that Nalepa walked into a Macy's store before putting $1,000 worth of jewels into different shopping bags and leaving.

Police revealed that she was grabbed by the store's security guards before they called them and she was arrested.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15103319/reports-allege-history-of-domestic-violence-in-shacknai-home

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/07/rebecca-nalepa-mug-shot-san-diego-bizarre-hanging-death

Ok...So DR preached a bit the other day about how safety and security are important in a home especially where there are children. How safe and secure were her and JS's home when they were duking it out at their home in AZ? Was anybody drinking, mixing any drugs with that booze? Did Max see any of the fighting? None of that says healthy, safe or secure. And as a psychologist, I'd think she'd know that.

http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2011/07/18/20110718shacknai-police-reports.html
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/arizona_millionaire_shacknai_responds_Q0qC3BQdUurdhMIPrmBn2O

DR addresses Rebecca using her maiden name. Rebecca dropped her married name (Nalepa) and had restored her maiden name of Zahau in May 2011. I've not seen too many articles that use Nalepa, except for maybe some of the first reports. DR is referred to many more times as DS, IMO...Why would DR address her that way? She knows, or SHOULD know what Rebecca's name was. After all, it wasn't until after DR realized just how much time Rebecca was spending with Max that she wanted to know more about her. I can understand this. But after her research?? of Rebecca, I'm guessing like a background check? It made me think about how I remember reading (at THM, sorry, no link) how JS and DR had each other followed. DR requested a meeting with her ex to discuss how DR could feel more comfortable having her son around Rebecca. She, Rebecca, was never to be left alone with Max. Max couldn't be with Rebecca if any of HER family members were around...Did I hear that right? She goes on to say that that was the case on July 11,2011. XZ was with Rebecca and Max. So, what does she think happened? Because XZ was there, it somehow made it more dangerous? I either didn't hear that right or I'm not following. Could she have been referring to like distant relatives that maybe even JS didn't know? What does she mean by that statement?

As far as Rebecca's criminal record, let's see. She shoplifted. Now I'm not saying that's something to be proud of, not at all. But that seems to be ALL anyone can throw out there to try to make her out to be some dangerous criminal! IMO, DR has a hell of a nerve to step up and give a speech that should not have had ANYTHING to do with trashing a dead woman. It took less than 4 minutes for her to basically start in calling her a liar, real classy! Here's an idea...how about DR take a LDT? I know some think they're junk science, but it would be interesting to see the results. While we're at it, test her twin sister WHO ADMITTED TO BEING AT THE HOUSE THAT NIGHT and managed to wiggle out of hers. AS, JS's brother, his test was inconclusive, should've been given another one. Let's do it! And then last but not least, JS. Hook 'em all up and see who the liars are. Hey!! Here's an even better idea...Re-open the case and actually I-N-V-E-S-T-I-G-A-T-E IT!!!

So what are the thoughts on what people think happened to both Max and Rebecca?

For quite some time it has bothered me that the Rebecca's relative who was present at the scene of the accident was wisked away and seemingly ignored in all this. Now with Dina's statement about concern for safety around Zahau relatives, I wonder if there was some history of a problem. Did XZ do something to cause Max to fall? Did Rebecca cover for her? Is that the big secret?

The second thing that keeps swimming about in my head is the fact that Jonah and Adam are the silent ones who seem to want all this to go away. The only person Jonah would have a vested interest in protecting with alibis and such is Adam and himself. He has no connection or reason to protect Dina and in fact I think the cryptic message was a ploy to implicate her.

I think Adam did this, and I think Jonah asked him to.

Welcome, starlight.

It's almost like we've been waiting for your input! Clearly you know a lot about the case already.

Interested to hear more of your thoughts.

IMO,
DS was throwing up barbs against Rebecca hoping to discourage Rebecca in her relationship with JS. Maybe DS thought JS would return to her IF she fought away the perceived competition. If Max could with Rebecca then DS really could not fault Rebecca, could she? However, by stating Max could not be there IF Rebecca's family was present would certainly indicate a strong bias. Was it founded? I don't think so. I think DS did this to prevent JS from marrying Rebecca; IF JS married Rebecca, under these terms (if they ever existed on paper) then it would hinder Rebecca seeing her family, her family ever meeting Max, and create a tension within the JS household.

DS certainly was angry with JS for how he was with herl however, she was NOT going to let go of him and he was going to pay for not fulfilling her dreams.

DS seems like a control addict, IMO.
And a very hostile one at that.
(Right now it may be the distraction she needs to try to blame others when in truth she is as much to blame for Ma's injuries as any. For if the terms were correct, then DS should have been there to gt her son. And when she was belatedly notified, DS SAID she was sick. Well, she wasn't too sick, was she? If she really had been ill, would she not have called JS and tell him she had to break the visitation scheduled that afternoon with Max?
I still would like to know when DS' bf arrived.)

"When DS' bf arrived"

Wasn't the boyfriend the one that finally answered the door at G Ave. house when they were trying to let Dina know about the accident?

Two young people died tragically within a week of each other. One ruled an accident and one ruled a suicide. We have two families that do not believe the scenarios LE put forth involving their loved ones. Two families that do not believe their loved one died in the manner that LE concluded. One family believes it was not an accident. One family believes it was not a suicide. Two separate loved ones, two separate families, two separate investigations. The only thing that is not divided is that both families question the deaths of their loved one. The common denominators are the investigations and LE. Obviously neither of these families trust what they were told happened to their family member. Both families were fed information that was illogical and unbelievable which only led to further questions. In my opinion because LE made critical mistakes in both investigations, LE has a responsibility to both families to reopen both cases and allow independent investigations. Neither family received a proper investigation and both should be afforded the same right. 

starlight wrote:For quite some time it has bothered me that the Rebecca's relative who was present at the scene of the accident was wisked away and seemingly ignored in all this. Now with Dina's statement about concern for safety around Zahau relatives, I wonder if there was some history of a problem. Did XZ do something to cause Max to fall? Did Rebecca cover for her? Is that the big secret?

The second thing that keeps swimming about in my head is the fact that Jonah and Adam are the silent ones who seem to want all this to go away. The only person Jonah would have a vested interest in protecting with alibis and such is Adam and himself. He has no connection or reason to protect Dina and in fact I think the cryptic message was a ploy to implicate her.

I think Adam did this, and I think Jonah asked him to.

Above and below BBM

I think Rebecca was doing what JS was asking her to do. And no, it wasn't covering for XZ.

By all accounts, JS treasures his children. All three of them. I believe he would go to the ends of the earth, and beyond, to do what he believes the right thing for them. GS and ES, IMO, are the only people on this earth he would alibi.

I don't believe Adam killed Rebecca. I don't believe Jonah asked him to kill Rebecca.
I believe Dina did this with Nina's help.

vegret wrote:

starlight wrote:For quite some time it has bothered me that the Rebecca's relative who was present at the scene of the accident was wisked away and seemingly ignored in all this. Now with Dina's statement about concern for safety around Zahau relatives, I wonder if there was some history of a problem. Did XZ do something to cause Max to fall? Did Rebecca cover for her? Is that the big secret?

The second thing that keeps swimming about in my head is the fact that Jonah and Adam are the silent ones who seem to want all this to go away. The only person Jonah would have a vested interest in protecting with alibis and such is Adam and himself. He has no connection or reason to protect Dina and in fact I think the cryptic message was a ploy to implicate her.

I think Adam did this, and I think Jonah asked him to.

Above and below BBM

I think Rebecca was doing what JS was asking her to do. And no, it wasn't covering for XZ.

By all accounts, JS treasures his children. All three of them. I believe he would go to the ends of the earth, and beyond, to do what he believes the right thing for them. GS and ES, IMO, are the only people on this earth he would alibi.

I don't believe Adam killed Rebecca. I don't believe Jonah asked him to kill Rebecca.
I believe Dina did this with Nina's help.

If Dina was the one to do this to Rebecca, you would think she would want to leave well enough alone and not risk trying to open an investigation on Maxes death thinking it could spill over into an investigation into Rebeccas death..

Wondering.. your comment makes sense. but then we all know how some of those who commit crimes believe they are smarter than the cops. Maybe, if Dina believes Rebecca caused Maxie's death, and she can prove it, then who would even bother to investigate her death as it would be justified.