Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2

Chickenbutt wrote:This is a little OT, but on the Site Help and Suggestion Thread, J4A is asking about setting up a library and if anyone has any ideas. Since lots of you are about maps, docs, timelines etc, this would be a place to store them. Please drop by the thread and voice your opinions and give suggestions so you can save your hard work, and make it available to everyone to look at.

Tamta wrote:

Honeysage wrote:http://cccairuh.tumblr.com/
Sierra Lamar Tumblr

okay i'm totally lost-all i get is a static page, i used to be able to scroll through all her tumblr posts. am i doing something wrong?

I can view it without a problem.

SweetT wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Typo Positive wrote:Sierra did not have time to go into photoshop or some other program to alter her image before posting a pic to some unknown social media site.
Who tampered with the photo and is that why LE claimed to not be able to pin down when the photo was taken but to state it could have been a day or two before.

That image of Sierra I would argue is not against it's original background.

I think there is a mirror behind her on the wall. JMO

Chickenbutt wrote:What I see in the photo is a doorway....at the top right of the photo (Sierras left) is the darkened room beyond her. The very straight lie of the left of her head is the doorjamb, So at the top her hair blends with the darkness of the room beyond and then her hair blends downward until it meets the doorjamb at about earlobe level.

Ellie Tza wrote:

Chickenbutt wrote:What I see in the photo is a doorway....at the top right of the photo (Sierras left) is the darkened room beyond her. The very straight lie of the left of her head is the doorjamb, So at the top her hair blends with the darkness of the room beyond and then her hair blends downward until it meets the doorjamb at about earlobe level.

Beat me to it! Sorry for the rehash! I'm still catching up! :)

kimi_SFC wrote:Great analysis of the photos. Thought I'd post them together. I'm mobile & can't post side by side like I want to.

Tamta wrote:

Ellie Tza wrote:

Chickenbutt wrote:What I see in the photo is a doorway....at the top right of the photo (Sierras left) is the darkened room beyond her. The very straight lie of the left of her head is the doorjamb, So at the top her hair blends with the darkness of the room beyond and then her hair blends downward until it meets the doorjamb at about earlobe level.

Beat me to it! Sorry for the rehash! I'm still catching up! :)

Keep going Ellie!!

ClaireUncensored wrote:

kimi_SFC wrote:Great analysis of the photos. Thought I'd post them together. I'm mobile & can't post side by side like I want to.

I am most certainly no pro but these two pictures seem to me to be two different shots. In one (top) Sierra's hair appears to be straightened, and in the bottom one (above) her hair seems more wavy. Also the way her head is cocked, comparing the two, appears to me at a bit different angle, no? Also top pic she seems more made-up, especially smokey eyes, bottom pic not so much; and, again to me, the shirt looks different but could be the way it is on her body? Maybe this has already been cleared up and I missed it. How do we even know for sure this is the "last" picture"?

You guys are most awesome -- it's like I almost understand what you're talking about (scary thing). I've stared at this so long my eyes are glazing over so I'm picking it up some more tomorrow:
-- lurk and learn

Thanks for all the food for thought. At the end of the day my take-away is that we really don't know for sure when photo(s) were really taken except for what Marlene said, right? That would be on MY "not confirmed" list. LE may/may not know the exact date (but I kinda think they do) and are still playing their word games, probably with good reason (however frustrating it is since I want to know all like yesterday).

Honeysage wrote:https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001176414698
Sierra LaMar Facebook



Just an FYI: this is her profile pic for Facebook-so if she did upload that photo to FB (infamous Sharks Jersey one) that morning it wasn't for a profile pic.

ClaireUncensored wrote:

kimi_SFC wrote:Great analysis of the photos. Thought I'd post them together. I'm mobile & can't post side by side like I want to.

I am most certainly no pro but these two pictures seem to me to be two different shots. In one (top) Sierra's hair appears to be straightened, and in the bottom one (above) her hair seems more wavy. Also the way her head is cocked, comparing the two, appears to me at a bit different angle, no? Also top pic she seems more made-up, especially smokey eyes, bottom pic not so much; and, again to me, the shirt looks different but could be the way it is on her body? Maybe this has already been cleared up and I missed it. How do we even know for sure this is the "last" picture"?

You guys are most awesome -- it's like I almost understand what you're talking about (scary thing). I've stared at this so long my eyes are glazing over so I'm picking it up some more tomorrow:
-- lurk and learn

Thanks for all the food for thought. At the end of the day my take-away is that we really don't know for sure when photo(s) were really taken except for what Marlene said, right? That would be on MY "not confirmed" list. LE may/may not know the exact date (but I kinda think they do) and are still playing their word games, probably with good reason (however frustrating it is since I want to know all like yesterday).

Tamta wrote:

Honeysage wrote:https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001176414698
Sierra LaMar Facebook



Just an FYI: this is her profile pic for Facebook-so if she did upload that photo to FB (infamous Sharks Jersey one) that morning it wasn't for a profile pic.

And this was the first photo in the press of her, right?

I thought it always was the most recent one of her.
Am I wrong?

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Honeysage wrote:https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001176414698
Sierra LaMar Facebook



Just an FYI: this is her profile pic for Facebook-so if she did upload that photo to FB (infamous Sharks Jersey one) that morning it wasn't for a profile pic.

And this was the first photo in the press of her, right?

I thought it always was the most recent one of her.
Am I wrong?

I don't think you are wrong to get that impression - I sometimes think that was the intent. However, I am not convinced that shark shirt shot *is* the very last photo taken on that morning. Just because *Marlene* says she took a photo that morning - I am no longer falling for any more of these games Marlene and the LE have been playing with the public. Keep in mind those statements were made prior to the arrest of Torres and so at that point, anything was fair game as a lie or staged info.

A few news outlets posted that photo and they all used the *exact* same tagline in their aritcle which tells me they're all just copying off each other -- which *also* tells me that if one got it wrong -they ALL got it wrong. Very early on they posted the photo with the tagline that said it was the photo Marlene took on her cellphone that same morning.

I have *never* seen any proof of that statement. Additionally, that's just impossible as Marlene also claims the last time she saw her, she was in her pj's and this photo is clearly not of a girl in her pj's. She also has her hair all curled up which likely wasn't done by the time Marlene last saw her either.

Tamta wrote:

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Honeysage wrote:https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001176414698
Sierra LaMar Facebook



Just an FYI: this is her profile pic for Facebook-so if she did upload that photo to FB (infamous Sharks Jersey one) that morning it wasn't for a profile pic.

And this was the first photo in the press of her, right?

I thought it always was the most recent one of her.
Am I wrong?

I don't think you are wrong to get that impression - I sometimes think that was the intent. However, I am not convinced that shark shirt shot *is* the very last photo taken on that morning. Just because *Marlene* says she took a photo that morning - I am no longer falling for any more of these games Marlene and the LE have been playing with the public. Keep in mind those statements were made prior to the arrest of Torres and so at that point, anything was fair game as a lie or staged info.

A few news outlets posted that photo and they all used the *exact* same tagline in their aritcle which tells me they're all just copying off each other -- which *also* tells me that if one got it wrong -they ALL got it wrong. Very early on they posted the photo with the tagline that said it was the photo Marlene took on her cellphone that same morning.

I have *never* seen any proof of that statement. Additionally, that's just impossible as Marlene also claims the last time she saw her, she was in her pj's and this photo is clearly not of a girl in her pj's. She also has her hair all curled up which likely wasn't done by the time Marlene last saw her either.

BBM.


Yes.
ANd you know what?

Conveniently enough, photos taken with an iPhone do not contain metadata unless uploaded to iPhoto or with some other application.

Tamta wrote:

ClaireUncensored wrote:

kimi_SFC wrote:Great analysis of the photos. Thought I'd post them together. I'm mobile & can't post side by side like I want to.

I am most certainly no pro but these two pictures seem to me to be two different shots. In one (top) Sierra's hair appears to be straightened, and in the bottom one (above) her hair seems more wavy. Also the way her head is cocked, comparing the two, appears to me at a bit different angle, no? Also top pic she seems more made-up, especially smokey eyes, bottom pic not so much; and, again to me, the shirt looks different but could be the way it is on her body? Maybe this has already been cleared up and I missed it. How do we even know for sure this is the "last" picture"?

You guys are most awesome -- it's like I almost understand what you're talking about (scary thing). I've stared at this so long my eyes are glazing over so I'm picking it up some more tomorrow:
-- lurk and learn

Thanks for all the food for thought. At the end of the day my take-away is that we really don't know for sure when photo(s) were really taken except for what Marlene said, right? That would be on MY "not confirmed" list. LE may/may not know the exact date (but I kinda think they do) and are still playing their word games, probably with good reason (however frustrating it is since I want to know all like yesterday).

Hi Claire!! Hello ~~ my thoughts in this color ~~ C

We do not know.

In fact this was not the first picture released of Sierra after she was reported missing. If I remember correctly, one of the first pictures released was similar to a "school" picture or a professional-type shot (like in a yearbook or something) -- might not have been the first but I remember thinking: "that doesn't really look like her" as other pics had been leaking out.

This photo has been talked about fairly consistently on THM and now it has come up again after the release of the SOF. As a former member/lurker at THM I remember reading quite a bit about this one particular photo -- and now here is the same photo with the same + more questions. Even more hinky.

Through out the investigation we were led to believe by LE that the SM used by Sierra that morning was Twitter, Tumblr, and that she sent one text. Sierra's FB was set to private but I was wondering if maybe she used it to communicate only with her sister, dad, and just a select few maybe? Like to exchange a bit more than a text could? IDK but I feel like she did use it for some reason since the profile pic was a recent one. The other SM accounts she used (mentioned above) just seem more cool these days with kids in that age group right now (no link but I remember hearing that statistic as FB was not doing so great after going public).

Any specifications of the photo and what she did with it have been either unclear or avoided. Yeah, weird -- especially that photo (or those?). The jersey doesn't look different to you?

Sierra seemed to experiment with her hair and makeup a lot and document it by photographing herself. She really does! She's such a pretty girl and seems to have lots of fun with hair and make-up. Her sister is also very pretty.

I am not convinced that these photos were taken on different days, but I am very skeptical about the shark jersey photo being taken on 3/16. Same here. I doubt that Sierra had much mess-around time before rushing to the bus stop.

Thanks for your comments! You're welcome. I just usually read but soooo glad I found RC since it seems like most all the THM folks are around here somewhere.

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Honeysage wrote:https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001176414698
Sierra LaMar Facebook



Just an FYI: this is her profile pic for Facebook-so if she did upload that photo to FB (infamous Sharks Jersey one) that morning it wasn't for a profile pic.

And this was the first photo in the press of her, right?

I thought it always was the most recent one of her.
Am I wrong?

I don't think you are wrong to get that impression - I sometimes think that was the intent. However, I am not convinced that shark shirt shot *is* the very last photo taken on that morning. Just because *Marlene* says she took a photo that morning - I am no longer falling for any more of these games Marlene and the LE have been playing with the public. Keep in mind those statements were made prior to the arrest of Torres and so at that point, anything was fair game as a lie or staged info.

A few news outlets posted that photo and they all used the *exact* same tagline in their aritcle which tells me they're all just copying off each other -- which *also* tells me that if one got it wrong -they ALL got it wrong. Very early on they posted the photo with the tagline that said it was the photo Marlene took on her cellphone that same morning.

I have *never* seen any proof of that statement. Additionally, that's just impossible as Marlene also claims the last time she saw her, she was in her pj's and this photo is clearly not of a girl in her pj's. She also has her hair all curled up which likely wasn't done by the time Marlene last saw her either.

BBM.


Yes.
ANd you know what?

Conveniently enough, photos taken with an iPhone do not contain metadata unless uploaded to iPhoto or with some other application.

Just to clarify - do you mean to say that while the photo resides on the phone, it does not contain meta data? But that as soon as you drag the photo off the phone and onto your computer the meta data becomes available? is that what you mean? I have not fully explored that. That may be explained by the fact that I have 1,300+ photos on my iPhone and rarely bother to load them to my computer. ha! Photos on the iPhone *do* contain the meta data of GPS coordinates. If you click on "Places" instead of "Albums" on the iPhone Photo Gallery, it will show you the coordinates of each photo taken. And my guess would be that the programming within the phone that collects that GPS coordinates would have a datestamp associated to each time that GPS tracking procedure was called upon by the phone. So *indirectly* I'd say there's still potentially a way to triangulate datestamp meta data. Location services by default are set to "on" for the camera app. I think if you disable that feature you may disable the Photo Location feature as well. I am not sure. And very few people find a reason to disable it or think of it to do it. I have never bothered and I frankly love the ability to see all the photo thumbtacks on the US map and drill down to see where the photos were taken as a trip down memory lane.

Honeysage wrote:http://www.securitybeacon.com/?p=1271
Potential Risks Of Photos Taken Using A GPS Enabled Smart Phone – Updated

In particular, the GPS coordinates of the phone are often automatically embedded in the metadata of photos you take. This can be a good thing if you need to know exactly where a photo was taken. It can be a potentially bad thing if you are reposting your photos on social networking sites such as Facebook or Twitter.
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informational only-not saying this is related to Sierra's case.

Tamta wrote:

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Honeysage wrote:https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001176414698
Sierra LaMar Facebook



Just an FYI: this is her profile pic for Facebook-so if she did upload that photo to FB (infamous Sharks Jersey one) that morning it wasn't for a profile pic.

And this was the first photo in the press of her, right?

I thought it always was the most recent one of her.
Am I wrong?

I don't think you are wrong to get that impression - I sometimes think that was the intent. However, I am not convinced that shark shirt shot *is* the very last photo taken on that morning. Just because *Marlene* says she took a photo that morning - I am no longer falling for any more of these games Marlene and the LE have been playing with the public. Keep in mind those statements were made prior to the arrest of Torres and so at that point, anything was fair game as a lie or staged info.

A few news outlets posted that photo and they all used the *exact* same tagline in their aritcle which tells me they're all just copying off each other -- which *also* tells me that if one got it wrong -they ALL got it wrong. Very early on they posted the photo with the tagline that said it was the photo Marlene took on her cellphone that same morning.

I have *never* seen any proof of that statement. Additionally, that's just impossible as Marlene also claims the last time she saw her, she was in her pj's and this photo is clearly not of a girl in her pj's. She also has her hair all curled up which likely wasn't done by the time Marlene last saw her either.

BBM.


Yes.
ANd you know what?

Conveniently enough, photos taken with an iPhone do not contain metadata unless uploaded to iPhoto or with some other application.

Just to clarify - do you mean to say that while the photo resides on the phone, it does not contain meta data? But that as soon as you drag the photo off the phone and onto your computer the meta data becomes available? is that what you mean? I have not fully explored that. That may be explained by the fact that I have 1,300+ photos on my iPhone and rarely bother to load them to my computer. ha! Photos on the iPhone *do* contain the meta data of GPS coordinates. If you click on "Places" instead of "Albums" on the iPhone Photo Gallery, it will show you the coordinates of each photo taken. And my guess would be that the programming within the phone that collects that GPS coordinates would have a datestamp associated to each time that GPS tracking procedure was called upon by the phone. So *indirectly* I'd say there's still potentially a way to triangulate datestamp meta data. Location services by default are set to "on" for the camera app. I think if you disable that feature you may disable the Photo Location feature as well. I am not sure. And very few people find a reason to disable it or think of it to do it. I have never bothered and I frankly love the ability to see all the photo thumbtacks on the US map and drill down to see where the photos were taken as a trip down memory lane.

No metadata in/on/with the photo.

Yes that may be only with locations.
You can also save photos from texts and SM sites too that you did not take yourself on the iPhone 4s.

I will get back to you because I am actually replacing my phone this week and I will get the facts of memory and retrieval capacities for this phone, not photo, on this from the Apple Store, but from what I understood from an on line chat session with a mac expert on this very subject of sierras photo, is that iPhone photos do not contain savable or retrievable metadata until they become uploaded by an application and then the metadata begins to be stored once being uploaded.

All definitive metadata is contained and accessed through the application used.

Honeysage wrote:http://www.securitybeacon.com/?p=1271
Potential Risks Of Photos Taken Using A GPS Enabled Smart Phone – Updated

In particular, the GPS coordinates of the phone are often automatically embedded in the metadata of photos you take. This can be a good thing if you need to know exactly where a photo was taken. It can be a potentially bad thing if you are reposting your photos on social networking sites such as Facebook or Twitter.
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informational only-not saying this is related to Sierra's case.

Stolat wrote:This article proves there *is* datestamping meta data functionality on the iPhone. It just is not readily accessible through front end...

So as long as you have the phone (which cops have) then you *have* the datestamp meta data...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-57351461-245/time-stamp-bug-exposes-photos-on-locked-iphone/

Tamta wrote:

Stolat wrote:This article proves there *is* datestamping meta data functionality on the iPhone. It just is not readily accessible through front end...

So as long as you have the phone (which cops have) then you *have* the datestamp meta data...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-57351461-245/time-stamp-bug-exposes-photos-on-locked-iphone/

THis makes sense.
SO we know they have the details.
Yet we only know how this photo was allegedly used, and no official direct statement as to when it was taken.

Marlene's verbal evidence from the early investigation, as to who and when that photo was taken, is the only thing we have, right?

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Stolat wrote:This article proves there *is* datestamping meta data functionality on the iPhone. It just is not readily accessible through front end...

So as long as you have the phone (which cops have) then you *have* the datestamp meta data...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-57351461-245/time-stamp-bug-exposes-photos-on-locked-iphone/

THis makes sense.
SO we know they have the details.
Yet we only know how this photo was allegedly used, and no official direct statement as to when it was taken.

Marlene's verbal evidence from the early investigation, as to who and when that photo was taken, is the only thing we have, right?

Exactly. And for whatever reason the SOF ignores addressing the details of what that phone reveals. They say it revealed nothing that was useful to finding her but I would disagree. I think knowing *if* there had been a photo taken and *when* said photo was taken and what she was wearing at that time would be extremely useful in putting the details together.

Stolat wrote:

Honeysage wrote:http://www.securitybeacon.com/?p=1271
Potential Risks Of Photos Taken Using A GPS Enabled Smart Phone – Updated

In particular, the GPS coordinates of the phone are often automatically embedded in the metadata of photos you take. This can be a good thing if you need to know exactly where a photo was taken. It can be a potentially bad thing if you are reposting your photos on social networking sites such as Facebook or Twitter.
______________________________________
informational only-not saying this is related to Sierra's case.

This is extemely scary!!! Thanks for sharing. So if you snap an iPhone photo and then upload it to Facebook, it will post the location meta data with it??? That's what it sounds like. And then any pedophile out there knows exactly where your kids live even if they never share their name, their city, their location.

That's why my daughter will not have Facebook account. It's also why I have all my photo locked to friends only - not friends of friends or public.

I think more people should know this fact.

justanopinion wrote:I am hoping that someone here is local for the area of Pleasanton (sorry spelling) have they identified the body that was found ... woman not Sierra... wearing pj's and a sweatshirt? just wondering!

Honeysage wrote:

justanopinion wrote:I am hoping that someone here is local for the area of Pleasanton (sorry spelling) have they identified the body that was found ... woman not Sierra... wearing pj's and a sweatshirt? just wondering!

i've been keeping up with that-they are supposed to be making a sketch so public can help with identification...but so far nothing has been released. can't imagine her condition if they can't even figure out age and ethnicity...and therefore what a sketch would look like

Tamta wrote:
Hi Claire!!

We do not know.

In fact this was not the first picture released of Sierra after she was reported missing.

This photo has been talked about fairly consistently on THM and now it has come up again after the release of the SOF.

Through out the investigation we were led to believe by LE that the SM used by Sierra that morning was Twitter, Tumblr, and that she sent one text. Any specifications of the photo and what she did with it have been either unclear or avoided.

Sierra seemed to experiment with her hair and makeup a lot and document it by photographing herself.

I am not convinced that these photos were taken on different days, but I am very skeptical about the shark jersey photo being taken on 3/16.

Thanks for your comments!

Lash wrote:Respectfully snipped for space-

Tamta wrote:
Hi Claire!!

We do not know.

In fact this was not the first picture released of Sierra after she was reported missing.

This photo has been talked about fairly consistently on THM and now it has come up again after the release of the SOF.

Through out the investigation we were led to believe by LE that the SM used by Sierra that morning was Twitter, Tumblr, and that she sent one text. Any specifications of the photo and what she did with it have been either unclear or avoided.

Sierra seemed to experiment with her hair and makeup a lot and document it by photographing herself.

I am not convinced that these photos were taken on different days, but I am very skeptical about the shark jersey photo being taken on 3/16.

Thanks for your comments!

Tamta - BBM - A fact correction, LE nor the media has ever mentioned Sierra's Tumblr post at 6:32am.

Stolat wrote:
Just to clarify - do you mean to say that while the photo resides on the phone, it does not contain meta data? But that as soon as you drag the photo off the phone and onto your computer the meta data becomes available? is that what you mean? I have not fully explored that. That may be explained by the fact that I have 1,300+ photos on my iPhone and rarely bother to load them to my computer. ha! Photos on the iPhone *do* contain the meta data of GPS coordinates. If you click on "Places" instead of "Albums" on the iPhone Photo Gallery, it will show you the coordinates of each photo taken. And my guess would be that the programming within the phone that collects that GPS coordinates would have a datestamp associated to each time that GPS tracking procedure was called upon by the phone. So *indirectly* I'd say there's still potentially a way to triangulate datestamp meta data. Location services by default are set to "on" for the camera app. I think if you disable that feature you may disable the Photo Location feature as well. I am not sure. And very few people find a reason to disable it or think of it to do it. I have never bothered and I frankly love the ability to see all the photo thumbtacks on the US map and drill down to see where the photos were taken as a trip down memory lane.

Lash wrote:Respectfully snipped for space-

Tamta wrote:
Hi Claire!!

We do not know.

In fact this was not the first picture released of Sierra after she was reported missing.

This photo has been talked about fairly consistently on THM and now it has come up again after the release of the SOF.

Through out the investigation we were led to believe by LE that the SM used by Sierra that morning was Twitter and that she sent one text. Any specifications of the photo and what she did with it have been either unclear or avoided.

Sierra seemed to experiment with her hair and makeup a lot and document it by photographing herself.

I am not convinced that these photos were taken on different days, but I am very skeptical about the shark jersey photo being taken on 3/16.

Thanks for your comments!

Tamta - BBM - A fact correction, LE nor the media has ever mentioned Sierra's Tumblr post at 6:32am.

justanopinion wrote:

Lash wrote:Respectfully snipped for space-

Tamta wrote:
Hi Claire!!

We do not know.

In fact this was not the first picture released of Sierra after she was reported missing.

This photo has been talked about fairly consistently on THM and now it has come up again after the release of the SOF.

Through out the investigation we were led to believe by LE that the SM used by Sierra that morning was Twitter, Tumblr, and that she sent one text. Any specifications of the photo and what she did with it have been either unclear or avoided.

Sierra seemed to experiment with her hair and makeup a lot and document it by photographing herself.

I am not convinced that these photos were taken on different days, but I am very skeptical about the shark jersey photo being taken on 3/16.

Thanks for your comments!

Tamta - BBM - A fact correction, LE nor the media has ever mentioned Sierra's Tumblr post at 6:32am.

Asking for speculation ---- why would LE deliberately not mention the 6:32 post... It should verify that Sierra was where she was supposed to be at that time.. I would think that even a casual mention for the sake of a timeline it would be important!

Tamta wrote:

Honeysage wrote:https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001176414698
Sierra LaMar Facebook



Just an FYI: this is her profile pic for Facebook-so if she did upload that photo to FB (infamous Sharks Jersey one) that morning it wasn't for a profile pic.

And this was the first photo in the press of her, right?

I thought it always was the most recent one of her.
Am I wrong?

Honeysage wrote:

just for comparison...this photo is almost identical-she uploaded it to her twitter acct on March 14-looks to be same area of her room except in this one the door behind her is closed.
i think the photo with Sharks Jersey is distorted because we are dealing with at least 3rd generation photo-from computer-to phone- to a printed copy.
i can't think of why someone would photoshop her ? though i also do not understand why there has been so much mystery around that photo either-having trouble thinking outside of the box.

kimi_SFC wrote:Great analysis of the photos. Thought I'd post them together. I'm mobile & can't post side by side like I want to.

Freckles wrote:

kimi_SFC wrote:Great analysis of the photos. Thought I'd post them together. I'm mobile & can't post side by side like I want to.

Her eyebrows.
In all the pics I have seen, Sierra's eyebrows have a curve to them.
In this bottom pic, the eyebrow line is flat.
Could this have been done with photo-shop or by constant repeating of copies of the pic?

Lash wrote:Key points to compare- Does this comparison tell us that Sierra posted the photo using her phone and not her computer?

Nancy Grace 3-20-2012

SHERIFF LAURIE SMITH: Mother sees her about 6:00 o`clock in the morning on Friday. We know that she was at her computer at 6:30, which is pretty standard because she generally goes to her bus stop about 7:10. After 6:30, when we know she`s on her computer, we have nothing else after that. We were contacted by the parents when she didn`t return home that night and hadn`t been in school.

Veruses ——————————>

SOF 05-24-2012

At 7 a.m., Sierra posted a photograph of herself on a SM site.

Tamta wrote:

Lash wrote:Key points to compare- Does this comparison tell us that Sierra posted the photo using her phone and not her computer?

Nancy Grace 3-20-2012

SHERIFF LAURIE SMITH: Mother sees her about 6:00 o`clock in the morning on Friday. We know that she was at her computer at 6:30, which is pretty standard because she generally goes to her bus stop about 7:10. After 6:30, when we know she`s on her computer, we have nothing else after that. We were contacted by the parents when she didn`t return home that night and hadn`t been in school.

Veruses ——————————>

SOF 05-24-2012

At 7 a.m., Sierra posted a photograph of herself on a SM site.

Thanks Lash for posting this.

LE does not say that the photo was posted from a phone or computer,
only the respective SM would indicate that, right: like from mobile web, iphone, android etc, if a phone were used to post?

IIRC it was Marlene(or her and a combination of reporting) in the earliest days of the investigation that was the genesis for the photo being connected it to a specific device- which she made two different statements:

-once it was texted to her from Sierra(NG and press i think???)
-once it was taken by Sierra on her laptop right before leaving (NG)


LE seems to have stopped at the willingness or ability to simply disconnect the photo from the text.

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Lash wrote:Key points to compare- Does this comparison tell us that Sierra posted the photo using her phone and not her computer?

Nancy Grace 3-20-2012

SHERIFF LAURIE SMITH: Mother sees her about 6:00 o`clock in the morning on Friday. We know that she was at her computer at 6:30, which is pretty standard because she generally goes to her bus stop about 7:10. After 6:30, when we know she`s on her computer, we have nothing else after that. We were contacted by the parents when she didn`t return home that night and hadn`t been in school.

Veruses ——————————>

SOF 05-24-2012

At 7 a.m., Sierra posted a photograph of herself on a SM site.

Thanks Lash for posting this.

LE does not say that the photo was posted from a phone or computer,
only the respective SM would indicate that, right: like from mobile web, iphone, android etc, if a phone were used to post?

IIRC it was Marlene(or her and a combination of reporting) in the earliest days of the investigation that was the genesis for the photo being connected it to a specific device- which she made two different statements:

-once it was texted to her from Sierra(NG and press i think???)
-once it was taken by Sierra on her laptop right before leaving (NG)


LE seems to have stopped at the willingness or ability to simply disconnect the photo from the text.

I think we are banging our heads.. I'm almost to the point where I'm content to just wait until we start seeing what comes out in trial. I feel like I'm running in circles. We wont' know (based on what's out there) what photo was the last photo taken, what device was used, what was her very last "digital" touch -- computer, phone, Facebook, Twitter, etc until more details come out. It's starting to drive me bonkers.