Rebecca Zahau Found Dead at Historic Mansion 7/13/11 #2

junie4justice wrote:

GlaringError wrote:I love to read all the posts here. There is such great input and angles that I never thought of in this case. I feel like everybody on this thread really wants the killer of Rebecca Zahau to come to justice.

I'm so confused over the vitriol against Dina, though. As far as I am aware of, Dina was not on the scene when Max was injured. To date, in my mind, there are no credible evidences that Dina was on the scene of Rebecca's murder (or suicide, if the case may be) (http://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issue%20One/fisher&tversky.htm). The definition of credible may be in controversy, but eyewitness testimony as to who was on the porch is not exactly "credible evidence" and I could give a million links to support that statement.

This woman lost her child. She has endured one of THE most painful tragedies that can befall a human being. So she may be self centered (don't know her). She may not have been paranoid about her child's every move (don't know). She didn't answer the door (yeah, strange) and maybe wasn't home (then lied about where she was, again, don't know). But she wasn't there, according to Jonah Shacknai. Why is she taking on this level of hatred?

ps. I don't go to left handed bull **** site, so if that's it.... sorry, I'm not aware. Wondering if someone can tell me why people are coming down on Dina so hard?

I think because she has lied about several things, as has Jonah (for one, saying he sold Spreckles) and is calling a woman who is dead (OBVIOUSLY a murder) and if not her, maybe her 13 yo sister a murderer. Degrading Rebecca's past (even though she had taken jewelry it was taken off her record and not charged). A woman who cannot defend herself. Telling a lie about the two DR.'s report when only ONE said it was homicide. Degrading and blaming others for a tragedy is not healing her own pain.

GlaringError wrote:I don't know if anyone recalls the story of a girl who was made to run so strenuously, after taking a popsicle or some other such ridiculousness, that she died.

The story said the girls step-mother and grand mother had been arrested. Further, the story said that it was the grandmother that committed this act against the girl, according to witnesses.

In the comments, poster after poster after poster said the step mom should receive the death penalty, be locked up for life, or some other such horror as limb removal.

The story never said one thing as to any actions by the step mother that caused the girl's death. Not saying she had or had not, because I don't know. The story didn't say. I read it three times.

Those comments chilled my blood. Hope I never encounter the public's outrage.

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Dina Shacknai Begs Council for Review of Son's Death

By Lauren Steussy and Rory Devine | Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 | Updated 4:24 PM PDT

The mother of a boy who died in the Spreckels Mansion last summer stood before the Coronado City Council Tuesday and begged councilmembers to re-open the case of her son's death.

Dina Shacknai has disputed the Sheriff's Department's classification of her son Max's death as an accident after he fell from the Coronado home's stairwell. She maintains that he was assaulted and killed, and has presented independent evidence that disputes the original manner of Max's death.

"I'm here to be the voice of Max Shacknai since he can no longer speak for himself," said Dina, the former wife of Jonah Shacknai, who owned the house.

Read more:

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Dina-Shacknai-Begs-Council-for-Review-of-Sons-Death--170257296.html

Puzzler wrote:

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Dina Shacknai Begs Council for Review of Son's Death

By Lauren Steussy and Rory Devine | Tuesday, Sep 18, 2012 | Updated 4:24 PM PDT

The mother of a boy who died in the Spreckels Mansion last summer stood before the Coronado City Council Tuesday and begged councilmembers to re-open the case of her son's death.

Dina Shacknai has disputed the Sheriff's Department's classification of her son Max's death as an accident after he fell from the Coronado home's stairwell. She maintains that he was assaulted and killed, and has presented independent evidence that disputes the original manner of Max's death.

"I'm here to be the voice of Max Shacknai since he can no longer speak for himself," said Dina, the former wife of Jonah Shacknai, who owned the house.

Read more:

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Dina-Shacknai-Begs-Council-for-Review-of-Sons-Death--170257296.html

Also from the article above: Coronado's mayor said they would not re-open the case and will honor the police department's decision.

I'm surprised to see that Dina got a response today.

GlaringError wrote:I love to read all the posts here. There is such great input and angles that I never thought of in this case. I feel like everybody on this thread really wants the killer of Rebecca Zahau to come to justice.

I'm so confused over the vitriol against Dina, though. As far as I am aware of, Dina was not on the scene when Max was injured. To date, in my mind, there are no credible evidences that Dina was on the scene of Rebecca's murder (or suicide, if the case may be) (http://agora.stanford.edu/sjls/Issue%20One/fisher&tversky.htm). The definition of credible may be in controversy, but eyewitness testimony as to who was on the porch is not exactly "credible evidence" and I could give a million links to support that statement.

This woman lost her child. She has endured one of THE most painful tragedies that can befall a human being. So she may be self centered (don't know her). She may not have been paranoid about her child's every move (don't know). She didn't answer the door (yeah, strange) and maybe wasn't home (then lied about where she was, again, don't know). But she wasn't there, according to Jonah Shacknai. Why is she taking on this level of hatred?

ps. I don't go to left handed bull **** site, so if that's it.... sorry, I'm not aware. Wondering if someone can tell me why people are coming down on Dina so hard?

Inparadise wrote:

Puzzler wrote:

Also from the article above: Coronado's mayor said they would not re-open the case and will honor the police department's decision.

I'm surprised to see that Dina got a response today.

That response was published at 5:30 am Pacific time (well before the 3pm meeting), and the response was not to Dina, but a quote to the Coronado Patch..........I find it interesting that Mayor Tanaka stated that he supports the CPD, particularly when he was one of the first people to sign Dina's petition to get Max's case reopened. Obviously, Dina was not aware of this, or she chose to not bring up that detail at today's meeting or with the media.

Tamta wrote:

Inparadise wrote:

That response was published at 5:30 am Pacific time (well before the 3pm meeting), and the response was not to Dina, but a quote to the Coronado Patch..........I find it interesting that Mayor Tanaka stated that he supports the CPD, particularly when he was one of the first people to sign Dina's petition to get Max's case reopened. Obviously, Dina was not aware of this, or she chose to not bring up that detail at today's meeting or with the media.

So the conclusion of the meeting was known prior to the meeting?

Tamta wrote:

GlaringError wrote:I don't know if anyone recalls the story of a girl who was made to run so strenuously, after taking a popsicle or some other such ridiculousness, that she died.

Dina will not live a life free from the suspicion of involvement in Rebecca's death.
And neither will this girl's step mother be free of involvement in that young girls death.

GlaringError wrote:I guess the bottom line is many people believe that Dina killed Rebecca.

I guess I'm just not convinced of that yet. Why would Dina call Rebecca's case "suspicious" if she killed Rebecca?

I guess I think of the cliche that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. IMO Dina should consider that.

I suppose its possible everyone is right. But if it is incorrect that Dina killed Rebecca then what a cruel public this is to a woman whose crime was losing her beloved son while he was visiting his dad.

And again, I don't visit any left hand cat sites so I don't see probably most of what the rest of you see.

HinkySD wrote:Makes me wonder if she did get a text or voicemail from Jonah earlier on and decided to ignore the knocks on the door. Maybe she put going to the hospital on ice until her bf Sanchez got to the G street house to 'accompany her' to the hospital. I don't know, but she seems very distracted by something.

Freckles wrote:

HinkySD wrote:Makes me wonder if she did get a text or voicemail from Jonah earlier on and decided to ignore the knocks on the door. Maybe she put going to the hospital on ice until her bf Sanchez got to the G street house to 'accompany her' to the hospital. I don't know, but she seems very distracted by something.

Two good points:
WHY didn't the bf drive her to the hospital? Pick up the sister from the airport, and lend general support to DS at this time when she certainly needed someone by her side?

Distracted? That puts it very mildly. She is certainly behaving very strangely at this point. Her child is critically injured. Surely, due to her training, she DOES understand this? And she elects to go home rather than stay with her only child? Who would have done this????

GlaringError wrote:I guess the bottom line is many people believe that Dina killed Rebecca.

I guess I'm just not convinced of that yet. Why would Dina call Rebecca's case "suspicious" if she killed Rebecca?

I guess I think of the cliche that the enemy of my enemy is my friend. IMO Dina should consider that.

I suppose its possible everyone is right. But if it is incorrect that Dina killed Rebecca then what a cruel public this is to a woman whose crime was losing her beloved son while he was visiting his dad.

And again, I don't visit any left hand cat sites so I don't see probably most of what the rest of you see.

Not only have you failed to properly investigate and pursue justice both in the original investigation and in considering my request to reopen the case, but you have made glaring mistakes - including but not limited to the items I have already addressed in this letter, but also among other things: (1) in collecting but not processing DNA undemeath Max's fingernails; (2) misplacing evidence from the evidence locker, i.e. the link that connected the chandelier to the chain that was photographed and retrieved at the scene; and (3) retrieving "evidence" from the garbage can at the home where Maxie suffered his injuries five days after the incident and one day after CPS called you. And why, by the way, did Detective Atkins direct CPS not to call me after they were contacted about Max by doctors at Rady Children's Hospital on Thursday, July 14,2011? This instruction to CPS by Detective Adkins is documented.

In fact, his ooanalysis" provided the basis for the diagram released at the September 2,2011 press conference (a diagram I note that while released at the press conference, predated Dr. Gomez's written report by three weeks, and which diagram was not even prepared by Dr. Gomez but by someone at the District Attorney's office) and which diagram Sheriff Gore announced depicted the COPD's conclusion as to how Max's "accident" occurred.

Lash wrote:Dina's letter to COPD has some new information regarding CPS and Det. Adkins. I would like to see the documentation she is referencing.

Dina also mentions Dr. Gomez's report. IIRC, this has not been released? If Dina has a copy of Dr. Gomez's report in her custody, why not release it for comparison to Dr. Bove's report?

Not only have you failed to properly investigate and pursue justice both in the original investigation and in considering my request to reopen the case, but you have made glaring mistakes - including but not limited to the items I have already addressed in this letter, but also among other things: (1) in collecting but not processing DNA undemeath Max's fingernails; (2) misplacing evidence from the evidence locker, i.e. the link that connected the chandelier to the chain that was photographed and retrieved at the scene; and (3) retrieving "evidence" from the garbage can at the home where Maxie suffered his injuries five days after the incident and one day after CPS called you. And why, by the way, did Detective Atkins direct CPS not to call me after they were contacted about Max by doctors at Rady Children's Hospital on Thursday, July 14,2011? This instruction to CPS by Detective Adkins is documented.

In fact, his ooanalysis" provided the basis for the diagram released at the September 2,2011 press conference (a diagram I note that while released at the press conference, predated Dr. Gomez's written report by three weeks, and which diagram was not even prepared by Dr. Gomez but by someone at the District Attorney's office) and which diagram Sheriff Gore announced depicted the COPD's conclusion as to how Max's "accident" occurred.

http://www.maxshacknai.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Dina_Shacknai_Response_To_COPD.pdf

Tamta wrote:
It sounds like Dina needs to follow up with Gore, the owner of said trash pile cited in the Search Warrant, the President of Rady Hospital, and CPS.

I can't believe this has escaped her.
Has the 'Team' done that?

Maybe there's no time because of media obligations?
Is Martz over booking this woman?

Guys have some mercy.
She's a scientist not a celebrity.

Why would she not have rights to the documentation on possible CPS contact involving Max and hospital information providing their basis and action responding concerns relevant to CPS?
Let's get to work on that.

No disrespect to Max but..
Yadda yadda yadda:

Evidence disregarded and not explained?
Leads not followed through?
Old story at the Blended Family Mansion with Uncle Gore.

In fact- kind of sounds like Bremner and the Zahaus.

Oh wait- that may be the point.....

It now appears my trust was decidedly misplaced, and neither you nor Sheriff Gore have honored your commitments to me. Not only have you failed to properly investigate and pursue justice both in the original investigation and in considering my request to reopen the case, but you have made glaring mistakes

http://www.maxshacknai.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Dina_Shacknai_Response_To_COPD.pdf

Lash wrote:...

... And why, by the way, did Detective Atkins direct CPS not to call me after they were contacted about Max by doctors at Rady Children's Hospital on Thursday, July 14,2011? This instruction to CPS by Detective Adkins is documented.

http://www.maxshacknai.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Dina_Shacknai_Response_To_COPD.pdf

vegret wrote:

Lash wrote:...

http://www.maxshacknai.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Dina_Shacknai_Response_To_COPD.pdf

I can think of three reasons.

1. Perhaps Dina did not have primary custody?
2. Perhaps Dina was considered a suspect? In both cases?
3. Perhaps LE didn't trust Dina would be rational and sane if she believed someone suffocated her son?

vegret wrote:

Lash wrote:...

http://www.maxshacknai.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Dina_Shacknai_Response_To_COPD.pdf

I can think of three reasons.

1. Perhaps Dina did not have primary custody?
2. Perhaps Dina was considered a suspect? In both cases?
3. Perhaps LE didn't trust Dina would be rational and sane if she believed someone suffocated her son?

vegret wrote:Perhaps Adkins was instructed by Jonah. But then the question may have been asked by Adkins..."who has primary custody?"

Joint legal custody in some states only pertains to medical, educational, etc. situations. As in important, critical decisions, need to be notified and agreed to and by both parties. Joint physical custody being both parents have equal time with child/children. But PRIMARY CUSTODY is usually awarded to to the parent who is deemed (rightfully or wrongfully) to be, for lack of the right terminology, the more reasonable and sane parent. All three are usually addressed in custody agreements.

There's a reason why Dina chose NOT to take Jonah back to court concerning her son being with Rebecca alone. I dare say, it's because Jonah had primary custody, also catalyst to her wanting revenge.

All my opinion of course.

Tamta wrote:@ Vegret,

I think a custody dispute or maneuvering to get a judge to order a parenting plan would have spurred investigating (those police reports would have been unearthed) and the two of them confronting their violence in the home and then a third party Potentially (CPS) getting involved.

IMO, that's why the legal conflict regarding custody was perhaps avoided.

vegret wrote:Perhaps Adkins was instructed by Jonah. But then the question may have been asked by Adkins..."who has primary custody?"

Joint legal custody in some states only pertains to medical, educational, etc. situations. As in important, critical decisions, need to be notified and agreed to and by both parties. Joint physical custody being both parents have equal time with child/children. But PRIMARY CUSTODY is usually awarded to to the parent who is deemed (rightfully or wrongfully) to be, for lack of the right terminology, the more reasonable and sane parent. All three are usually addressed in custody agreements.

There's a reason why Dina chose NOT to take Jonah back to court concerning her son being with Rebecca alone. I dare say, it's because Jonah had primary custody, also catalyst to her wanting revenge.

All my opinion of course.

KZ wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Dina will not live a life free from the suspicion of involvement in Rebecca's death.
And neither will this girl's step mother be free of involvement in that young girls death.

BBM. Agreed. The cloud of suspicion will always hover around Dina for involvement and knowledge of Rebecca's death for the rest of Dina's life. She can never escape that. From tour guides to unauthorized books, etc-- she will forever be suspected of involvement in Rebecca's murder. My feeling is her current efforts are aimed at balancing that-- can she also sweep Rebecca into the same aura of suspicion that she has been cloaked in? Her own efforts, IMO, are aimed at making sure Rebecca bears as much suspicion for Max's death, as she bears for Rebecca's enormously suspicious death/ murder. Tit for tat. For a very long time, I have felt Dina's outrage is not about Max at all anymore, but about her OWN outrage that the public still suspects she was responsible in some way for Rebecca's death.

I think Dina feels that Rebecca "got off easy" with the ruling of suicide. She can't begin to rationally look at ANY accident scenario as the cause of Max's death. It is really important to Dina to "nail" Rebecca for Max's death, and punish her again as she lay in her grave. Smear anything good that is said about Rebecca. JMO. More important than holding Jonah, or anyone else, responsible in any way. She has a personal, deep seated, emotional vendetta against Rebecca that even the death/ suicide/ murder of Rebecca cannot quell. As odd and dysfunctional as I find Dina to be, I also pity her. She will possibly be consumed with this vendetta for the rest of her life. Tortured with vindictive, irrational emotions. Unable to make any peace, and unable continue to live her own life in any meaningful way.

I wish she could somehow put all that aside and partner with the Zahau's to reopen BOTH death investigations, where ever that leads. That seems the best outcome for both families. But that isn't gonna happen, obviously. Dina is now committed to following her vendetta. No amount of genuine evidence will dissuade her from what she has convinced herself is her personal, paid for "truth", IMO.

GlaringError wrote:"She also called on police to again interview Zahau's teen-age sister, who was at the mansion when Max fell, and determine if she and Zahau were the only ones home at the time."

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/mother-of-late-max-shacknai-pleads-her-son-s-case-to-council

If Dina really thought the matter had been settled as to who was at the house at the time of the "accident" then I don't think Dina would specifically ask this. Looks like an open mind to all the possibilities to me. I am really optimistic about that dynamic :)

Tamta wrote:

GlaringError wrote:"She also called on police to again interview Zahau's teen-age sister, who was at the mansion when Max fell, and determine if she and Zahau were the only ones home at the time."

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/mother-of-late-max-shacknai-pleads-her-son-s-case-to-council

If Dina really thought the matter had been settled as to who was at the house at the time of the "accident" then I don't think Dina would specifically ask this. Looks like an open mind to all the possibilities to me. I am really optimistic about that dynamic :)

Snipped.


HALLIER: No, it`s -- I don`t think we know enough to classify it because we don`t know the intent, and two of the three people that were in the house when this happened are no longer with us. I hope if the Coronado police department opens this back up, they might do other further investigation.

HALLIER: Well, you know what? We don`t know. Like I said, there was three people we knew in the home, all we know was this was an assault scenario resulting in his death.

HALLIER: Well, I think again it`s the same answer. There were three people in the house. We know Xena was interviewed. I don`t know that that interview went far enough to really find out what she not only maybe saw but heard.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1208/13/ddhln.01.html

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Does Dina possess an opinion different from her lawyer?


And what does Hallier mean to say: there WERE three or she KNOWS of three?

GlaringError wrote:"She also called on police to again interview Zahau's teen-age sister, who was at the mansion when Max fell, and determine if she and Zahau were the only ones home at the time."

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/mother-of-late-max-shacknai-pleads-her-son-s-case-to-council

If Dina really thought the matter had been settled as to who was at the house at the time of the "accident" then I don't think Dina would specifically ask this. Looks like an open mind to all the possibilities to me. I am really optimistic about that dynamic :)

GlaringError wrote:"She also called on police to again interview Zahau's teen-age sister, who was at the mansion when Max fell, and determine if she and Zahau were the only ones home at the time."

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/mother-of-late-max-shacknai-pleads-her-son-s-case-to-council

If Dina really thought the matter had been settled as to who was at the house at the time of the "accident" then I don't think Dina would specifically ask this. Looks like an open mind to all the possibilities to me. I am really optimistic about that dynamic :)

KZ wrote:

GlaringError wrote:"She also called on police to again interview Zahau's teen-age sister, who was at the mansion when Max fell, and determine if she and Zahau were the only ones home at the time."

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/mother-of-late-max-shacknai-pleads-her-son-s-case-to-council

If Dina really thought the matter had been settled as to who was at the house at the time of the "accident" then I don't think Dina would specifically ask this. Looks like an open mind to all the possibilities to me. I am really optimistic about that dynamic :)

BBM.

Well, I completely disagree that Dina has an open mind about what happened to Max. IMO, her mind is completely closed to any other possibilities beyond the one that she has paid for. The only way that truth will come out is for Dina to embrace an open mind to ALL the possibilities that explain what happened to Max. But this might be a double edged sword for her, imo, so she doesn't want to look at, or genuinely consider that what happened to Max may have actually been an accident, such as a result of kids horsing around. Because if what happened to Max actually WAS an accident, and Rebecca was murdered because someone thought she was responsible, well, that may not be a comfortable place for Dina to be. She has publicly levelled a lot of baseless accusations and vitriol toward both RZ and her sister.

In fact, she appears completely wedded to only ONE scenario-- that Max was assaulted, and that this was perpetrated by X and/ or RZ. She says that 9 months of her paid investigation brought her to this conclusion, but I don't see her actively seeking any OTHER possibilities. I see 9 months of massaging her assault theory until finally the reports could be cobbled together to suggest that assault was a possibility. It is far, far from being any kind of fact, despite her sound bite of "science doesn't lie." Her own paid experts also made this clear in their reports. Bove in particular stated he was directed to do only 2 things: see if an assault fit the scenario, and re-analyze (disprove) the Gomez' schematic. He wasn't directed or paid to look at any other scenarios, and he would not commit to stating an assault was the definitive outcome. Melinek outlines her "many discussions" with Dina, and uses blogger comments from a hate-filled site, a tabloid magazine, and Wikipedia to support her conclusions of an assault. "Many" discussions with Dina should not have been necessary, since Dina was not present when Max fell, and further goes to suggest that Dina lead the discussions and pointed her paid expert in the direction she wanted her to go with her report. That is patently ridiculous, and I believe that Melinek's report, in particular, has been ridiculed behind closed doors, and impeded Dina's request for a new investigation. What were authorities really supposed to do? Say, "Ok. A paid doctor says some hate filled blog says this was an assault-- sure, we'll just get right on reopening this. And golly-- just look at the People magazine articles and the Wikipedia stuff she references! Why didn't WE think of that?"

What struck me as the most glaring error in all of Melinek's report is how very LITTLE she relied on, and quoted Max's medical records as part of her opinion. She is a forensic doctor-- that should have been the core of all of her opinions and observations. She should have commented that she received the Wiki, tabloid, and blog content from Dina, and then stated that she had to completely reject all of it as immaterial, unscientific, and anecdotal, and unequivocally state that she did not read any of it or consider it when forming her opinions and review. That is ridiculous that she allowed those sources to stand in her report unchallenged--- but then again, she was paid to do so.

The Gomez report/ analysis CAN be wrong. And the manner of death can STILL be an accident. This is the genuine truth that Dina has still not even begun to entertain. Assault and homicide are NOT the ONLY other options. It is not a mystery who was in the home when Max fell. Police certainly know. No one has to "re-interview X" to find that out. Why didn't Dina call for police to re-interview the older Shacknai teens? Why didn't Dina call for police to re-interview Jonah? The older teens either were present, or were not present and on a plane-- that is pretty easy to establish and release if any of the parents or police wanted to release that. It may be a mystery to US in the blogosphere, but it isn't a mystery to the ones who were, or were not present. That minors are involved has certainly complicated what information has been released, and will continue to complicate that.

(I'm reposting my post below from another site because it is relevant to the discussion of how open minded Dina is, or is not.)

I support the reopening of both Max’s, and Rebecca’s death investigations. I would be happy to support a petition that advocates for reopening BOTH investigations, because I believe BOTH were highly flawed. To that end, I am in agreement with one of Dina’s assertions: that the Gomez analysis is flawed and incorrect. However, I also believe that the Gomez report CAN be incorrect, and Max’s death STILL be an accident. I am concerned that Dina has apparently bought into an “either/ or” situation with her paid experts. Meaning, she believes that “if” the Gomez report is wrong, “then” Max’s death was a homicide. This is not logical, or rational. Flawed critical thinking. There are more potential options than that.

It is abundantly clear that Dina’s own experts were guided to analyze ONLY a specific scenario: assault and homicide. They were guided to analyze and disprove ONLY the Gomez scenario, and to “prove” assault and homicide. It is entirely possible Gomez WAS wrong in his analysis, and Max’s injuries were STILL the result of an accident. This is what I want to see explored more fully, by professionals that are not hired by the child’s grieving mother. I would like to see a thorough, independent, biometric analysis of “planking” in various positions and planes in the stairwell, because this is one of the earliest explanations for Max’s injuries that was documented by MSM articles. As well as a thorough explanation of other scenarios (reaching for a toy caught in the chandelier, scooter tricks, etc). We now have 2 scenarios—the Gomez fall, and Dina’s “Rebecca or X assaulted Max” scenarios. Let’s look at ALL of the possibilities.

Dina is clearly grieving and tortured about the horrific injuries her son experienced. She deserves answers. Many highly experienced, credentialed, high level professionals would help, if she and Jonah were to cooperate and release Max’s medical records. Max’s medical records hold the answers to the truth. I urge Dina to selectively release all of Max’s medical records (including radiographic reports), with Jonah’s concurrence. Some very high level, expert professionals, care about these 2 deaths, and would be happy to review the medical records and comment, for free. Dina has not explored this possibility. Dina has had no personal issues posting pictures of Max in ICU as though these pictures conclusively prove something; Max’s actual medical records will be able to conclusively determine and settle a lot of issues about his injuries. I am sensitive to the privacy concerns of medical records, but I also think that these records should be available in conjunction with her independent expert’s reports. Otherwise, the reports are only one sided, without the ability for other experts to concur or disagree.

If Dina truly wants to find out what happened to her deeply beloved son, and I think she does, she should think beyond her paid experts. Her paid experts were quite constrained in their paid work product. Dina’s sound bite of “science doesn’t lie” rings hollow, because her experts were so constrained. Cast a wide net, and much more information is possible. But if she is convinced, and committed to only ONE other scenario—assault and homicide—then it is going to be impossible for any official agency to look at her data seriously. The way she has gone about her “independent investigation” is so flawed, scientifically, that the results cannot be given credibility by official agencies, IMO. No one is willing to say that because of her obvious grief. ONE alternate theory, that has been directed by the person paying, is not compelling.

Tamta wrote:BBM - To quote Dina, "glaring mistakes" with the evidence in Max's investigation. The Zahau's believe the evidence is "erroneous" in Rebecca's investigation. Both families hold similar beliefs regarding the evidence in their loved ones investigation.


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Glaring.
I bet she's really angry, in qualifying those investigatory errors with using that word: GLARING.

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Dina Shacknai Returns to Coronado - Wants Spreckels Mansion Death Reopened

Added by Surf's Up Studios, Coronado on September 19, 2012 at 12:58pm


I met with Dina Shacknai before and after her appearance at city council.

Returning to the city that she said was her son's favorite place to be, Dina Shacknai made an emotional appeal Tuesday to the Coronado City Council to conduct its own review of the investigation into the 6-year-old's death last year at the beachfront Spreckels mansion owned by her ex-husband.

Shacknai, who lives in Arizona but has a vacation home in Coronado, appeared before the council during the public comments session, during which members of the public can address council members for three minutes.

http://www.ecoronado.com/video/mystery-death-coronado-mansion-murder-suicide-accident-dr-phil-to?xg_source=activity

Alessandra_Deux wrote:"Shacknai later married Dina Romano. Property records show she owns a house near the Spreckels Mansion in Coronado. She also owns a $1.2 million house in Paradise Valley, records show.

A woman answering a call Wednesday night to a wireless phone associated with Dina Shacknai said that she was not talking to the media."

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2011/07/13/20110713shacknai-medicis-ceo-womans-death-reported-san-diego.html?nclick_check=1#ixzz27AdEdVh1

Inparadise wrote:

Alessandra_Deux wrote:"Shacknai later married Dina Romano. Property records show she owns a house near the Spreckels Mansion in Coronado. She also owns a $1.2 million house in Paradise Valley, records show.

A woman answering a call Wednesday night to a wireless phone associated with Dina Shacknai said that she was not talking to the media."

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2011/07/13/20110713shacknai-medicis-ceo-womans-death-reported-san-diego.html?nclick_check=1#ixzz27AdEdVh1

Check the property records on the house on G ave.....it is ownedby the Jonah Shacknai Trust........he pays the property taxes on it as well. He purchased the home in 2000.......Dina does not own it, nor any other property in Coronado, nor does she own the house that she resides in in PV........check the Maricopa County records......I have and she does not own either property. Dina had use of the G Ave house until Max turned 18.....she was last seen there over Labor Day weekend 2011 with a girl friend, and they removed several boxes and suitcases and loaded them into their SUV. Jonah has stayed in the house a few times since July, 2011, and his yacht and small boat are still docked at the Glorietta Bay Marina in Coronado. I have seen him myself several times on what is now "HIS GLORY".

Tamta wrote:

Inparadise wrote:

Check the property records on the house on G ave.....it is ownedby the Jonah Shacknai Trust........he pays the property taxes on it as well. He purchased the home in 2000.......Dina does not own it, nor any other property in Coronado, nor does she own the house that she resides in in PV........check the Maricopa County records......I have and she does not own either property. Dina had use of the G Ave house until Max turned 18.....she was last seen there over Labor Day weekend 2011 with a girl friend, and they removed several boxes and suitcases and loaded them into their SUV. Jonah has stayed in the house a few times since July, 2011, and his yacht and small boat are still docked at the Glorietta Bay Marina in Coronado. I have seen him myself several times on what is now "HIS GLORY".

That was a 7/2011 article.

I wonder if they were sourcing tax records that hadn't reflected the very recent divorce of Jonah and Dina.

Inparadise wrote:

Tamta wrote:

That was a 7/2011 article.

I wonder if they were sourcing tax records that hadn't reflected the very recent divorce of Jonah and Dina.

I have checked both on a regular basis since this case began, and both properties are owned by the Jonah Shacknai Trust........just as is Spreckels. There was never any sale to 1043 Ocean LLC, it was all a ruse.

Tamta wrote:

Inparadise wrote:

I have checked both on a regular basis since this case began, and both properties are owned by the Jonah Shacknai Trust........just as is Spreckels. There was never any sale to 1043 Ocean LLC, it was all a ruse.

Misreporting?

Indeed. Dina said the other day at the city council meeting that she was a home owner and a resident.......not one media outlet bothered to fact check.......if they had, they would not have reported that.

Many 'journalists' source other articles and don't check facts.

Tamta wrote:

Inparadise wrote:

Check the property records on the house on G ave.....it is ownedby the Jonah Shacknai Trust........he pays the property taxes on it as well. He purchased the home in 2000.......Dina does not own it, nor any other property in Coronado, nor does she own the house that she resides in in PV........check the Maricopa County records......I have and she does not own either property. Dina had use of the G Ave house until Max turned 18.....she was last seen there over Labor Day weekend 2011 with a girl friend, and they removed several boxes and suitcases and loaded them into their SUV. Jonah has stayed in the house a few times since July, 2011, and his yacht and small boat are still docked at the Glorietta Bay Marina in Coronado. I have seen him myself several times on what is now "HIS GLORY".

That was a 7/2011 article.

I wonder if they were sourcing tax records that hadn't reflected the very recent divorce of Jonah and Dina.

Alessandra_Deux wrote:

Tamta wrote:

That was a 7/2011 article.

I wonder if they were sourcing tax records that hadn't reflected the very recent divorce of Jonah and Dina.

They got divorced in 2008.

Tamta wrote:

Alessandra_Deux wrote:

They got divorced in 2008.

Their settlement was re-negotiated in 2011.