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Post by carlakay Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:04 pm

I am watching on www.azfamily.com and haven't lost live feed once. Not that there has been all that much live action to watch today...grrrrr
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:04 pm

JM:
What were you going to do with the gun if it is unloaded? Throw it at him?

Nurmi: Objection!
JM: She is unresponsive, your Honor!

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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:05 pm

JA says she was only going to point it at him; she figured he would stop DESPITE TA telling her it was not loaded!

LOL!

Wait until we get to the knife... Oh, my!
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Post by carlakay Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:06 pm

Calypso wrote:
Freckles wrote:
Try the fart button... Shocked

Hahahaha!

Did JM say NOTHING FURTHER?

yes he did and I aint sure I am in any frame of mind after all this lollygaggin round to deal with friggin Nurmi's long drawn out sexual fantasy recaps
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:08 pm

JM: You weren't in a fog, were you?
JA: No. No trouble finding the gun.

JM: So you put your finger on the trigger, pointed the gun, and you fired it, right?
JA: Yes.

I may have heard wrong but I thot I heard JM say no more questions...

Judge dismisses jury for PM break;
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:10 pm

They are reviewing MORE jury questions now!!

Very Happy
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:11 pm

I have tried to capture all the HKN foot notes to the trial for today. They are at the Court link here.
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:17 pm

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/03/11/jodi-arias-trial-witnesses-experts

Witnesses you may have missed:
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Post by Calypso Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:23 pm

carlakay wrote:
Calypso wrote:

Hahahaha!

Did JM say NOTHING FURTHER?

yes he did and I aint sure I am in any frame of mind after all this lollygaggin round to deal with friggin Nurmi's long drawn out sexual fantasy recaps

It's been one thing after another over here all day!

And now, NURMI???

I said that about those shelves being held in place by pins- there is no way that would hold her weight on the edge without tipping over and dumping the shelf's items to the ground. I was waiting for JM to say "Well, there were no fingerprints located on the shelf".

Yes, basically she risked her life with TA, the maniac, chasing after her -seeking to do bodily harm- or worse, by jumping up on a shelf held together by pins, with a maximum weight of 40lbs, to grab a maybe there, maybe not, possibly loaded- possibly not gun to stop him in his tracks and she accidentally shot the gun- hitting him in the head?

And the stab wounds in the back?

And the stab wounds to his head?

And the stab wounds to his heart and chest?

And the throat cutting?

I wonder during which one of these she cut her own finger?




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Post by 18thcenturylady Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:34 pm

O.k. all done and Nurmi's up so off the TV went! I am NOT watching him!
I sure hope he finishes his case tomorrow. I am NOT watching again until the rebuttal. I can get the highlights of Juan's cross of defense witnesses on In Session later...

I am thrilled with Juan! She looks guilty as hell---no way around it!

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Post by ShellJett Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:38 pm

I have a LOADED gun, not in a holster, and I am going to shoot myself lol. Arguing with a pathological liar is not a good idea. Making it up as she goes along.

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Post by carlakay Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:39 pm

ok did I hear it right? I got it on lap in my kitchen while cooking..pups went to barking so I couldn't hear..is juan and Nurmi both done? Is SHE done?
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:43 pm

back
Jury questions!
- How many times in total did you see TA's guns?
-Did DB have your practice?
-Were you and MM live in separate cities when he was seeing bianaca?
-Was it possible MM believed you and he were on a break?(Said they were having sex)
-Why didn't you shoot him again rather than using a knife?
--You say you remember putting the knife in the dishwasher AND you say you don't recall anything after dropping it on the bathroom floor. Which is correct?
Does being baptized require you to follow the book of Mormon?

She said she took a pic of her neck injuries in the U-Haul!
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:44 pm

How many phone calls, texts, emails between TA and JA on Tuesday, June 3-4?
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:47 pm

5-9 test; no emails; ?? on phone calls.

Nurmi is up.
Addressing the Book of Mormon...
Boring!

He asks if she was a perfect Mormon; she said no, no one is perfect.
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Post by 18thcenturylady Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:48 pm

Lol, here's one for her~
Jodi Arias: "I'm not only a PPL associate, I'm also a client!"

Loved:
She 'thought gun was not loaded'. (Yeah, she was so in fear for her life that she grabs an unloaded gun to deter Travis!)
Juan: "What were you going to do, throw it at him?"

hahahahaha!!!!!~

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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:49 pm

carlakay wrote:ok did I hear it right? I got it on lap in my kitchen while cooking..pups went to barking so I couldn't hear..is juan and Nurmi both done? Is SHE done?
Jury questions; now Nurmi is talking and .. the fog is lifting!
Of course, we are talking about JA and sin and TA and HIS sin!
crystal ball
Talking about sexual sin to the bishop re TA...


Blame HER choices on TA!
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:51 pm

Oh-oh! Nurmi is not happy!

JA just said she talked with the bishop re sexual sin BUT not about the other transgression.. that of KILLING Travis!

Nurmi changed subject to TA injuring her and leaving marks on her neck...

S/bar.
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Post by Mari 68 Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:52 pm

Freckles wrote:How many phone calls, texts, emails between TA and JA on Tuesday, June 3-4?


someone is wanting to know if Travis even knew she was gonna show up in Mesa

someone is gonna re-read that Citizen guy from Verizon about the calls between the two, and the lack thereof.


someone already know she's guilty - now someone is simply curious as to whether Travis knew she was coming.


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Post by Mari 68 Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:52 pm

18thcenturylady wrote:Lol, here's one for her~
Jodi Arias: "I'm not only a PPL associate, I'm also a client!"

Loved:
She 'thought gun was not loaded'. (Yeah, she was so in fear for her life that she grabs an unloaded gun to deter Travis!)
Juan: "What were you going to do, throw it at him?"

hahahahaha!!!!!~


bwaahahahhahhhah That's the best.
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:53 pm

JA's neck injuries were April, 2008. JA never took pics; she wanted to forget; Law of Attraction! Did not want to incriminate him... BS shut up


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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:54 pm

Mari 68 wrote:
Freckles wrote:How many phone calls, texts, emails between TA and JA on Tuesday, June 3-4?


someone is wanting to know if Travis even knew she was gonna show up in Mesa

someone is gonna re-read that Citizen guy from Verizon about the calls between the two, and the lack thereof.


someone already know she's guilty - now someone is simply curious as to whether Travis knew she was coming.


What? I missed this!!

JM back up! Cool
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Post by Mari 68 Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:55 pm

Wow, so Jodi is off the stand.

I feel sorta let down.


Hopefully we get a split screen when Juan puts on his rebuttal case. I want to see Jodi's face when he proves her lies.

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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:57 pm

JA now says she did NOT tell the social worker MM and JA were separate. She told social worker they had broken up!
Now, JA denies it!!!!

JA lied to bishop by not telling him re murdering Travis.
JA says that would be accurate.

Looking to side, blinking a lot.

Court over for day!
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:59 pm

Mari 68 wrote:
Freckles wrote:How many phone calls, texts, emails between TA and JA on Tuesday, June 3-4?


someone is wanting to know if Travis even knew she was gonna show up in Mesa

someone is gonna re-read that Citizen guy from Verizon about the calls between the two, and the lack thereof.


someone already know she's guilty - now someone is simply curious as to whether Travis knew she was coming.


Help! Please explain!!! Laughing
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Post by ShellJett Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:09 pm

Is she really done? No more Jodi?

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Post by Weeziethm Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:12 pm

ShellJett wrote:Is she really done? No more Jodi?

In our most fervent dreams Laughing
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:13 pm

"The questions suck"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Zwq1VGQgsZU
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:15 pm

Shaking like a dog!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0owToUSuuk
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:17 pm

What do guys see in JA?

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/12/why-are-men-so-attracted-jodi-arias
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:23 pm

Death Penalty?
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/12/does-jodi-deserve-death-penalty?clusterId=1303#videoplayer

How would you vote? Why?
How do you think the jury will vote? Why?
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:26 pm

JA vs Prosecutor

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/12/jodi-arias-murder-trial-state-arizona-prosecutor-strikes-back?clusterId=1303#videoplayer
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:31 pm


Tonight: 'Human lie detector' in Arias court
By Dr. Drew staff
updated 2:20 PM EDT, Wed March 13, 2013


Janine Driver witnessing Jodi's behavior firsthand
What do Jodi's gestures, behavior reveal?




http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/03/13/tonight-human-lie-detector-arias-trial
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Post by carlakay Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:33 pm

Mari 68 wrote:
Freckles wrote:How many phone calls, texts, emails between TA and JA on Tuesday, June 3-4?


someone is wanting to know if Travis even knew she was gonna show up in Mesa

someone is gonna re-read that Citizen guy from Verizon about the calls between the two, and the lack thereof.


someone already know she's guilty - now someone is simply curious as to whether Travis knew she was coming.




YUP kinda dancing all over the house over this one!
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:35 pm

Janine Driver: Might surprise you!
BTW, she was in court today watching JA.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/13/jodi-insult-domestic-violence-victims
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:40 pm

ShellJett wrote:Is she really done? No more Jodi?

JA off the stand after 18 days!
Body languages expert comments:
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/03/13/jodi-arias-finally-stand
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Post by 18thcenturylady Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:50 pm

Have a laugh guys! From 18thcenturylady's hubby! Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #7 - Page 7 Cooked11

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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:18 pm

If you missed any of the side bars today or want to see any of the days you might have missed, tawnidilly has an excellent library organized by date:

https://www.youtube.com/user/tawnidilly?feature=watch
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Post by Mylife101 Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:18 pm

Calypso wrote:
justanopinion wrote:JA was a little flirtatious with the guard... when he handed her something... the whole hand up over her mouth when she said something to him.. and the little smile after...
barf

She said "Psssst~ did you bring the KY?"

Would be funnier if it wasn't true! Very Happy
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Post by ShellJett Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:24 pm

Hope Juan gets some tonight.

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Post by Mylife101 Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:41 pm

18thcenturylady wrote:Have a laugh guys! From 18thcenturylady's hubby! Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #7 - Page 7 Cooked11

Nice!!! Think it will be out of the oven by Easter?
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Post by Freckles Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:51 pm

Because there is sometimes a snippet in truth in what JA says... No. That does not work.

Re the gun: We know because of the PD report it was stolen May 28, 2008

We know TA got angry with her and called her bluff, called her a sociopath, said he was going to tell EVERYONE about her dishonesty.... and than was May 26th.

We know JA left June 2 to spend the night with Matt; then June 3 she was at Darryl's sponging up a breakfast, running to Pasadena, up to Salinas to get her nails done;heading to Mesa to arrive June 4, early AM, so she says.

We know, based upon her statements with Det. Flores, JA had the PIN numbers to TA's garage, his ATM ("He would ask me to pick up cash for him..." probably on days she was "borrowing" his car!), his fb/myspace accounts (she said they exchanged this as a symbol of trust), had his telephone access numbers (admitted to reading his text messages and even falsely responding to an message sent to him), and had access to his computer. Wow.

So. TA blasts her and she drives over to see him, veering from her intent to see if there were "sparks" between Ryan and herself--- Ryan, according to Chris Hughes, was the next rising star in PPL.

Now. She says she gets to Travis' and he IS awake.
Says he DID carry her luggage and back pack to the closet of his bedroom. IMO, JA quietly moved the gun and the knife to the linen closet in the bathroom. It was here the gun shell casing was found--- at the base near the sink closest to that linen closet. And she squirreled the knife and the gun in the closet.

After stabbing him, he went to the sink area to see the damage done; she may have pulled the gun at this point while he was standing at the sink but ME states there was no blood blee-out in the brain as the heart was not pumping. So Down the hall we go to finish the blood bleed out; and that is where she cuts his throat.

Hauling his body back, Travis is going thru the death throes and this scares JA as Travis is obviously nearly decapitated. So, by the sink, she grabs the gun from the closet, dropping the knife on the floor; she shoots Travis here sending blood splatter (NOT free flow blood but force driven droplets) up near blinds, ceiling.

She places his body in the shower; after all, earlier, when he was seated in the shower, she was busy figuring out exactly how to put him in there. He modeled it for her...

So. IMO, the gun and the knife were carried into the closet; she unpacked and placed them in the linen closet.
This is why her, "climb up the shelving" story was NOT well thought out--- she NEVER climbed the shelves for she would have seen the shoes dumped! Pegs would have pulled out.
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Post by Moosiesmama Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:38 pm

Freckles wrote:Because there is sometimes a snippet in truth in what JA says... No. That does not work.

Re the gun: We know because of the PD report it was stolen May 28, 2008

We know TA got angry with her and called her bluff, called her a sociopath, said he was going to tell EVERYONE about her dishonesty.... and than was May 26th.

We know JA left June 2 to spend the night with Matt; then June 3 she was at Darryl's sponging up a breakfast, running to Pasadena, up to Salinas to get her nails done;heading to Mesa to arrive June 4, early AM, so she says.

We know, based upon her statements with Det. Flores, JA had the PIN numbers to TA's garage, his ATM ("He would ask me to pick up cash for him..." probably on days she was "borrowing" his car!), his fb/myspace accounts (she said they exchanged this as a symbol of trust), had his telephone access numbers (admitted to reading his text messages and even falsely responding to an message sent to him), and had access to his computer. Wow.

So. TA blasts her and she drives over to see him, veering from her intent to see if there were "sparks" between Ryan and herself--- Ryan, according to Chris Hughes, was the next rising star in PPL.

Now. She says she gets to Travis' and he IS awake.
Says he DID carry her luggage and back pack to the closet of his bedroom. IMO, JA quietly moved the gun and the knife to the linen closet in the bathroom. It was here the gun shell casing was found--- at the base near the sink closest to that linen closet. And she squirreled the knife and the gun in the closet.

After stabbing him, he went to the sink area to see the damage done; she may have pulled the gun at this point while he was standing at the sink but ME states there was no blood blee-out in the brain as the heart was not pumping. So Down the hall we go to finish the blood bleed out; and that is where she cuts his throat.

Hauling his body back, Travis is going thru the death throes and this scares JA as Travis is obviously nearly decapitated. So, by the sink, she grabs the gun from the closet, dropping the knife on the floor; she shoots Travis here sending blood splatter (NOT free flow blood but force driven droplets) up near blinds, ceiling.

She places his body in the shower; after all, earlier, when he was seated in the shower, she was busy figuring out exactly how to put him in there. He modeled it for her...

So. IMO, the gun and the knife were carried into the closet; she unpacked and placed them in the linen closet.
This is why her, "climb up the shelving" story was NOT well thought out--- she NEVER climbed the shelves for she would have seen the shoes dumped! Pegs would have pulled out.


Well thought out, sounds extremely plausible to me. Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #7 - Page 7 88030
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Post by gsweater Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:08 am

Juan shut her DOWN today! Looked like she realized how hard he f'ed her in the @ss w/o KY. She looked defeated. Do they run executioner lotteries in AZ? If not, should get one in place to increase state revenue. Open it to outsiders like Lotto. 2 bucks for a shot to be the "ultimate winner" heh...

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Post by Freckles Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:17 am

Wow. I just now discovered our hosts, the owner and mods, have provided a library of resources for us to use!
Now this is really cool.

So I am checking it out and stumble across a
"48 Hours" link. And, since I like to watch that, I click on it and select a title, Deadly Home Invasion.
http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-18559_162-10010488-21.html

And when I clicked on the above, I notice a little side-link and I click on that:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7391219n

Jodi wasn't the first dumb butt out there! These two guys actually videotaped themselves opening presents under a Christmas tree AFTER they broke into the home, killed 2, attempted killing a 3rd; then, they lit the house on fire (or tried to) and kidnapped two young daughters!

The egos ran big. So big they VIDEOTAPED themselves opening these presents! Anyway, DO check out the library! It holds nice secrets... Cool

To our owner and admins:
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Post by 18thcenturylady Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:48 am

Freckles wrote:Because there is sometimes a snippet in truth in what JA says... No. That does not work.

Re the gun: We know because of the PD report it was stolen May 28, 2008

We know TA got angry with her and called her bluff, called her a sociopath, said he was going to tell EVERYONE about her dishonesty.... and than was May 26th.

We know JA left June 2 to spend the night with Matt; then June 3 she was at Darryl's sponging up a breakfast, running to Pasadena, up to Salinas to get her nails done;heading to Mesa to arrive June 4, early AM, so she says.

I wonder if there was any 'inappropriate contact' with MM that night...Sure would not suprise me, especially if later this guy was 'willing to lie for her'.

We know, based upon her statements with Det. Flores, JA had the PIN numbers to TA's garage, his ATM ("He would ask me to pick up cash for him..." probably on days she was "borrowing" his car!), his fb/myspace accounts (she said they exchanged this as a symbol of trust), had his telephone access numbers (admitted to reading his text messages and even falsely responding to an message sent to him), and had access to his computer. Wow.

So. TA blasts her and she drives over to see him, veering from her intent to see if there were "sparks" between Ryan and herself--- Ryan, according to Chris Hughes, was the next rising star in PPL.

I think that the 'Ryan' thing was ALWAYS a cover story. Jodi NEVER had any real interest in him.


Now. She says she gets to Travis' and he IS awake.
Says he DID carry her luggage and back pack to the closet of his bedroom. IMO, JA quietly moved the gun and the knife to the linen closet in the bathroom. It was here the gun shell casing was found--- at the base near the sink closest to that linen closet. And she squirreled the knife and the gun in the closet.

She could have put the weapons in the closet, but that one point is iffy to me. Some people grab a towel from the closet when they wash/shower (we do)---In any case I think having two weapons sitting in their for even an hour would have been very risky. Maybe she even had her purse in the bathroom on the floor or something---(saying needed to do her makeup or something). Knife at least had to be in close proximity as that was what she used FIRST, but not convinced about the closet as hiding place.

After stabbing him, he went to the sink area to see the damage done; she may have pulled the gun at this point while he was standing at the sink but ME states there was no blood blee-out in the brain as the heart was not pumping. So Down the hall we go to finish the blood bleed out; and that is where she cuts his throat.

I do not believe the facts support a gunshot midway in the attack. Travis did try to get down the hall, presumably for help or trying to get away. She probably stabbed him in the hall also, but then cut his throat near the end by the bedroom. He must have collapsed, but was NOT dead.


Hauling his body back, Travis is going thru the death throes and this scares JA as Travis is obviously nearly decapitated. So, by the sink, she grabs the gun from the closet, dropping the knife on the floor; she shoots Travis here sending blood splatter (NOT free flow blood but force driven droplets) up near blinds, ceiling.

Travis is then shot IMO after she gets his body back to the bathroom. So much anger and cruelty in this crime...


She places his body in the shower; after all, earlier, when he was seated in the shower, she was busy figuring out exactly how to put him in there. He modeled it for her...

I don't think she was at all concerned with how he was placed in the shower. She just rolled/pulled him and unceremoniously and coldly dumped him in. She had no feelings---has no feelings. She had to get somethings together and get out of there and it was already after 5:30. She probably didn't know if someone would be coming home soon. As it is, she probably only left minutes before that one roommate got home at 6 or so...

So. IMO, the gun and the knife were carried into the closet; she unpacked and placed them in the linen closet.
This is why her, "climb up the shelving" story was NOT well thought out--- she NEVER climbed the shelves for she would have seen the shoes dumped! Pegs would have pulled out.

We disagree on a few minor points, but yes, the main thing is that for someone who thinks she is so much more clever than anyone else, the 'plan' was pretty bad, and chock full of flaws!

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Post by Bmore Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:17 am

watching day 5... there was a speck of blood on the downstairs bathroom sink.... there was blood under one of the scales so the CSI said the scale was moved there after the blood was deposited and it was perfect up against the wall. The trashcan was near the scales with a papertowel and 2 TP cardboard rolls in it, positive for blood... she said any wound to the head would have produced blood(i know we know that but apparently JA didn't)... when you get to see the hall pics with light you can see the void going down the hallway were he was dragged... I would think with as clean as it looked that maybe she did use the sheet... It's so funny when JM keeps saying "what is going on with that?"... lol With the water making it all the way down the hall and seeping into the carpet blood stain that shower was on and the door open the entire time then and/or probably her with the cup trying to do something... this girl is funny, all into drawing on the screen and excitable about blood... lol Jodi was wearing shoes in the bathroom after blood was shed, shoe print by the closet walking towards the hallway. Is there water in the bathroom? Could water of been used to clean up... Do you know what a towel is? could that have been used to help clean up hands and feet? lol
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Post by Bmore Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:26 am

Oh and to add to the bloodsplatter post... It always got me that she said the camera dropped on the matt but I never saw one near the shower... the CSI lady said the matt was infront of the tub but with blood on the bottom so it was probably moved along the floor towards the toilet closet in front of the tub. there was evidence of at least one strike low on the floor by the tub/toillet that left splatter on the the jamb to the TC and on the toilet so that could explain the matt...

About the weapons in the linen closet, I'd say possible... In the crime scene pics the door was open, did they do that or was it that way? I don't keep mine open so it would make me think she opened it to get the weapons out...
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Post by ShellJett Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:34 am

What is going on with pic of her in u-haul April 08? Also asked about pic June 3rd. She said she put makeup on bruises on her neck. When did TA supposedly choke her? Sidebar stopped line of questioning on this.

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Post by ShellJett Thu Mar 14, 2013 9:37 am

Thanks to all who provided links to live streams when I lost video weds. Computer problems. Last night in bed kept giggling about JM saying "What were you going to do - throw it at him"?

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