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Hearing 3/18/10 (Criminal)
Today’s hearing: Casey asks for her Bloody Black Backpack Back
Posted on March 18th, 2010 by Valhall
As we all know, Casey has filed to be declared indigent because she ran through all the money she got from her days of home confinement. Remember those days in 2008, when she’d spend almost all day of everyday at Baez’s law offices? Remember how she’d show up at his office with her flip-flops, “hey I’mma rock star” sunglasses, and that mighty swollen backpack full of…
What? Well, Caylee, that’s what. Remember how Leonard Padilla said he bonded her out because he was convinced if she just got out of jail she would be able to help find Caylee? Remember how we never saw any evidence of her assisting in finding Caylee during that period? WRONG! The backpack was the evidence. Casey WAS looking for Caylee. She looked for Caylee in the photo albums, she looked for Caylee in memento boxes, and she looked for Caylee on computers filled with digital pics and videos. She spent ALL her time, looking for Caylee – oh, and watching One Tree Hill, and obsessively listening to weird songs about hiding secrets; and making bracelets, surfing Myspace and Facebook and eating strangers’ pizzas.
The reason we were confused that Casey never looked for, or assisted in looking for Caylee is that while half the world looked for a living Caylee at that time, and the other half looked for a dead Caylee at that time – Casey was looking for a marketable Caylee at that time. THAT Caylee would be found in sellable forms of media: pictures and videos. Remember how, in Cindy’s formal deposition with the prosecution in 2009, when they started talking about a picture of Casey and Caylee and whether Cindy had seen Casey leaving with pictures of Caylee and all of a sudden Baez did an on-the-record wig-out, followed by an off-the-record wig-out, followed by an on-the-record “ZIP IT!”?
Remember how that went down? Cindy started saying I’ve never seen this list, and the question of pictures came up and Baez said don’t answer that, and then Cindy had one of her traditional “My mouth just ran off with my bare-ass” moments? Baez couldn’t get her to shut up and hollered right there on tape – ZIP IT! – to his precious Rosebud? Remember how Baez challenged Miss Linda and said this was all determined to be confidential, and don’t go there? He was referring to the private conversation that took place between Judge Strickland, the defense attorneys, and the prosecution on the question of – where you getting all this money, Jose?
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http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/03/18/todays-hearing-casey-asks-for-her-bloody-black-backpack-back/
Posted on March 18th, 2010 by Valhall
As we all know, Casey has filed to be declared indigent because she ran through all the money she got from her days of home confinement. Remember those days in 2008, when she’d spend almost all day of everyday at Baez’s law offices? Remember how she’d show up at his office with her flip-flops, “hey I’mma rock star” sunglasses, and that mighty swollen backpack full of…
What? Well, Caylee, that’s what. Remember how Leonard Padilla said he bonded her out because he was convinced if she just got out of jail she would be able to help find Caylee? Remember how we never saw any evidence of her assisting in finding Caylee during that period? WRONG! The backpack was the evidence. Casey WAS looking for Caylee. She looked for Caylee in the photo albums, she looked for Caylee in memento boxes, and she looked for Caylee on computers filled with digital pics and videos. She spent ALL her time, looking for Caylee – oh, and watching One Tree Hill, and obsessively listening to weird songs about hiding secrets; and making bracelets, surfing Myspace and Facebook and eating strangers’ pizzas.
The reason we were confused that Casey never looked for, or assisted in looking for Caylee is that while half the world looked for a living Caylee at that time, and the other half looked for a dead Caylee at that time – Casey was looking for a marketable Caylee at that time. THAT Caylee would be found in sellable forms of media: pictures and videos. Remember how, in Cindy’s formal deposition with the prosecution in 2009, when they started talking about a picture of Casey and Caylee and whether Cindy had seen Casey leaving with pictures of Caylee and all of a sudden Baez did an on-the-record wig-out, followed by an off-the-record wig-out, followed by an on-the-record “ZIP IT!”?
Remember how that went down? Cindy started saying I’ve never seen this list, and the question of pictures came up and Baez said don’t answer that, and then Cindy had one of her traditional “My mouth just ran off with my bare-ass” moments? Baez couldn’t get her to shut up and hollered right there on tape – ZIP IT! – to his precious Rosebud? Remember how Baez challenged Miss Linda and said this was all determined to be confidential, and don’t go there? He was referring to the private conversation that took place between Judge Strickland, the defense attorneys, and the prosecution on the question of – where you getting all this money, Jose?
Read more:
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/03/18/todays-hearing-casey-asks-for-her-bloody-black-backpack-back/
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Here is a video of today's hearing.
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Here is a video of the post hearing press conference posted to Youtube by Marinade Dave.
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INDIGENCY DECISION HANGS ON DEFENSE'S LIST
March 18, 2009
Casey was in the court room Thursday morning for her indigency hearing wearing a striped, light-colored, button-down, long-sleeve shirt and dark pants (images | raw video). She was all smiles as she sat down between attorney Jose Baez and new addition J. Cheney Mason as the hearing got underway.
Casey’s new attorney told prosecutors and Judge Strickland that Casey's defense doesn’t have a dime left.
“It's all way gone and way upside down,” Mason said. “I’ve been asked to join and I’m doing it pro bono [free]. We’re just seeking confirmation of Ms. Anthony’s indigency and I don’t think that should be in question.”
“I think it needs to be out here in open court. So, if they want to tell me what happened in the past, the court is willing to listen,” Judge Stan Strickland told Cheney, referring to money already paid to attorneys in the case.
Under oath, Baez told Judge Strickland he received $275,000 early on in the case, made up of $5,000 from a yet unnamed donor, $75,000 from Casey's former attorney Todd Macaluso, and $200,000 from ABC, the latter being something WFTV reported over a year ago.
“Those were for licensing of photos and nothing else,” Baez told the judge.
Baez received $90,000 in legal fees. Andrea Lyon got $22,500 for investigations and travel. The rest was spent on things like experts, depositions and investigators. But that explanation wasn't good enough for the judge.
“If they were given X amount in the past and it's not well-accounted for, why would I want to entrust them with the public's money?” Judge Strickland asked Mason.
“And there's another way to deal with that. I think you'll trust me,” Mason responded.
“A novel position, but that's fine,” Strickland said.
“Am I right?” Mason asked.
“Of course, I trust you, but that has nothing to do with me handing over money,” Strickland said.
Mason said he still wants taxpayers to pick up some of the costs of Casey’s defense, which he said could reach $200,000, even with free lawyers and free experts.
“You want these funds, but I don't have much about the source of what happened in the past and where that money went,” Strickland said.
“I'm not seeking any public funds today, judge. As I said, the lawyers are appearing pro bono, so, therefore, it's nobody's business about what we're doing or not doing unless you can prove that the money previously paid was used improperly,” Mason replied.
After much discussion, Judge Strickland asked Casey's defense team to submit an itemized breakdown of exactly where the team has spent money to this point. It will be after Judge Strickland reviews it that a determination on indigence will be made.
Most defendants who are declared indigent get a public defender, but because Casey and her lawyers have already established a relationship, she would get to keep them.
If Casey's request is granted by the judge, her team does not just get a blank check. She will only get money for state-approved expenses, like investigators and court reporters. Also, if the judge thinks Baez has misspent any of the money he has made, the lawyer could have to fund some of his own services.
Casey Anthony's murder trial is set for May 11, 2011.
http://www.wftv.com/news/22876305/detail.html
March 18, 2009
Casey was in the court room Thursday morning for her indigency hearing wearing a striped, light-colored, button-down, long-sleeve shirt and dark pants (images | raw video). She was all smiles as she sat down between attorney Jose Baez and new addition J. Cheney Mason as the hearing got underway.
Casey’s new attorney told prosecutors and Judge Strickland that Casey's defense doesn’t have a dime left.
“It's all way gone and way upside down,” Mason said. “I’ve been asked to join and I’m doing it pro bono [free]. We’re just seeking confirmation of Ms. Anthony’s indigency and I don’t think that should be in question.”
“I think it needs to be out here in open court. So, if they want to tell me what happened in the past, the court is willing to listen,” Judge Stan Strickland told Cheney, referring to money already paid to attorneys in the case.
Under oath, Baez told Judge Strickland he received $275,000 early on in the case, made up of $5,000 from a yet unnamed donor, $75,000 from Casey's former attorney Todd Macaluso, and $200,000 from ABC, the latter being something WFTV reported over a year ago.
“Those were for licensing of photos and nothing else,” Baez told the judge.
Baez received $90,000 in legal fees. Andrea Lyon got $22,500 for investigations and travel. The rest was spent on things like experts, depositions and investigators. But that explanation wasn't good enough for the judge.
“If they were given X amount in the past and it's not well-accounted for, why would I want to entrust them with the public's money?” Judge Strickland asked Mason.
“And there's another way to deal with that. I think you'll trust me,” Mason responded.
“A novel position, but that's fine,” Strickland said.
“Am I right?” Mason asked.
“Of course, I trust you, but that has nothing to do with me handing over money,” Strickland said.
Mason said he still wants taxpayers to pick up some of the costs of Casey’s defense, which he said could reach $200,000, even with free lawyers and free experts.
“You want these funds, but I don't have much about the source of what happened in the past and where that money went,” Strickland said.
“I'm not seeking any public funds today, judge. As I said, the lawyers are appearing pro bono, so, therefore, it's nobody's business about what we're doing or not doing unless you can prove that the money previously paid was used improperly,” Mason replied.
After much discussion, Judge Strickland asked Casey's defense team to submit an itemized breakdown of exactly where the team has spent money to this point. It will be after Judge Strickland reviews it that a determination on indigence will be made.
Most defendants who are declared indigent get a public defender, but because Casey and her lawyers have already established a relationship, she would get to keep them.
If Casey's request is granted by the judge, her team does not just get a blank check. She will only get money for state-approved expenses, like investigators and court reporters. Also, if the judge thinks Baez has misspent any of the money he has made, the lawyer could have to fund some of his own services.
Casey Anthony's murder trial is set for May 11, 2011.
http://www.wftv.com/news/22876305/detail.html
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You have to love lawyer-speak. How could anybody possibly prove that the money previously paid was used improperly when the defense refuses to account for how they used it? If you are going to ask taxpayers for money, you should have to account for how you spent $275,000.“I'm not seeking any public funds today, judge. As I said, the lawyers are appearing pro bono, so, therefore, it's nobody's business about what we're doing or not doing unless you can prove that the money previously paid was used improperly,” Mason replied.
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Also, if the judge thinks Baez has misspent any of the money he has made, the lawyer could have to fund some of his own services.
this is what I'm waiting on! LOL
BTW, does anyone think Casey is royally pissed off that all that money she got for selling caylee's photos is gone! And she didn't even get to buy a bra? LOL
this is what I'm waiting on! LOL
BTW, does anyone think Casey is royally pissed off that all that money she got for selling caylee's photos is gone! And she didn't even get to buy a bra? LOL
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Lottie-I found this for you: (although I kind of think maybe Baez meant to say July.)
Does anyone want to discuss the fact that Jose Baez was retained by Casey Anthony 2 days AFTER Caylee was last seen alive and approximately 28 days BEFORE it was announced she was missing? !!
Jose Baez testified under oath that he was retained on 17 JUNE 2008. Not July but June.
Sorry if this has been posted here already but I have yet to see this discussed anywhere and it is driving me crazy. I thought loads of people would have jumped on this already.
Anyway I am off to look at old phone records of Casey’s from this time period.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/03/18/todays-hearing-casey-asks-for-her-bloody-black-backpack-back/#comment-17602
Does anyone want to discuss the fact that Jose Baez was retained by Casey Anthony 2 days AFTER Caylee was last seen alive and approximately 28 days BEFORE it was announced she was missing? !!
Jose Baez testified under oath that he was retained on 17 JUNE 2008. Not July but June.
Sorry if this has been posted here already but I have yet to see this discussed anywhere and it is driving me crazy. I thought loads of people would have jumped on this already.
Anyway I am off to look at old phone records of Casey’s from this time period.
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/03/18/todays-hearing-casey-asks-for-her-bloody-black-backpack-back/#comment-17602
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Baez admitted that Casey got paid $200,000 by licensing the videos and photos to ABC. Unless I'm missing something, that should result in a tax liability of about $48,000 for Casey. If she does have a tax liability of about $48,000, I’m willing to bet that she didn’t claim the income or pay the tax. If that is the case, why should somebody who owes that much in back taxes be allowed to use taxpayer money for their defense?
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Yeah! J4A, great point!
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Julie, I also have a feeling the Baez meant to say July. I can't picture Casey retaining him a day or two after murdering Caylee. She was too busy living "The Beautiful Life." If she did retain him on June 17, he should have advised her to report "Caylee's kidnapping" to authorities right away.
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No, I don't think she would have done that either. She was perfectly contented partying. Those pics of her at Fusion's don't look like someone even smart enough to retain council.
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I'm curious about this trust fund of Casey's from which they withdrew funds for her defense. Who started it up, and who was allowed to take from it? Who oversaw it? what were the rules for distributions from it? Trusts have rules! I want to know what they were and if they were violated. I want to know if Baez was the executor (or whatever they're called) and if he got paid for handling the trust?
more fun with Baez> did you all hear him say he had to take some pay for this case because he was so busy he wasn't able to take any other cases? Well, I thought he DID have other cases!
Besides that, if he was so busy then why did he only work 1/3 of the available days he's had this case to work on? here's the math, but it's late so I hope it's right > he said he worked a total of 2500 hours. That's 314 eight hour days. Casey has been arrested for roughly 970 days. I think he had plenty of time to take on other cases, especially since he's hardly done ANYTHING on this case so far. He has not kept track of his time and is just blowing it out his butt just like how he always does things.
Baez and his team have no idea how much money they spent or on what! That's probably why they wanted to pretend it had be to a secret so as not to give away their defense strategy. How is saying who got how much going to give away your strategy anyway?
more fun with Baez> did you all hear him say he had to take some pay for this case because he was so busy he wasn't able to take any other cases? Well, I thought he DID have other cases!
Besides that, if he was so busy then why did he only work 1/3 of the available days he's had this case to work on? here's the math, but it's late so I hope it's right > he said he worked a total of 2500 hours. That's 314 eight hour days. Casey has been arrested for roughly 970 days. I think he had plenty of time to take on other cases, especially since he's hardly done ANYTHING on this case so far. He has not kept track of his time and is just blowing it out his butt just like how he always does things.
Baez and his team have no idea how much money they spent or on what! That's probably why they wanted to pretend it had be to a secret so as not to give away their defense strategy. How is saying who got how much going to give away your strategy anyway?
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Who was the lady sitting behind CA, talking with her? She was rubbing her right arm, and rubbing the palms of her hands together, just like KC was doing. Was she telling CA what KC's actions were, because she couldn't see KC?
Remember, long ago, some body language expert commented on her rubbing her palms together. Said that was a sign of guilt, like she was trying to rub the blood of Caylee off her hands. She does this every time she is in court.
Sorry, I just spent 76 minutes watching KC's and Horseface's face, listening to a silent computer. Just another one of those days we go to court and Bozo is not ready. When will the judge get tired of this?
Remember, long ago, some body language expert commented on her rubbing her palms together. Said that was a sign of guilt, like she was trying to rub the blood of Caylee off her hands. She does this every time she is in court.
Sorry, I just spent 76 minutes watching KC's and Horseface's face, listening to a silent computer. Just another one of those days we go to court and Bozo is not ready. When will the judge get tired of this?
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Lottie, Baez told in his press conference the trust fund was his, that all lawyers have trust funds to take money from on cases like this. The trust fund was not KC's.
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It all sounds like a bunch of bull crap. What attorney doesn't keep records of billable hours, money received, legit expenses, etc. And why did Mancuso PAY into Casey's defense fund. Isn't it supposed to be the defendant who pays the attorney?
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I agree with you Cali, why would Mancuso pay toward her defense, when he quit her team.
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And 70K to boot, I'd also like to know why Macaluso did this. He's a crook.
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Don't forget Lyon's contribution from her charity clinic. What was that, about $20,000?
Macaluso is said to have donated $70,000.
An anonymous donor gave $5000.
ABC gave $200,000. but out of that Casey only paid about $112,000. where's her other $88,000?
the numbers are not adding up. LOL
Macaluso is said to have donated $70,000.
An anonymous donor gave $5000.
ABC gave $200,000. but out of that Casey only paid about $112,000. where's her other $88,000?
the numbers are not adding up. LOL
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Maybe it went into her commissary fund, she ate it!
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im with you lottie.. i wanna know where the rest of the $$$ went... my guess is that it is stashed away somewhere for princess KC to have..
200,000 ABC
70,000 lawyer contribution
20,000 from lyons clinic
5,000 anonymous donor.
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295,000
- 112,500
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182,500--- this is the amount unaccounted for.. one hundred eighty two thousand five hundred dollars.. THAT IS A LOT OF $$$$ missing..
one thing that mason said at the end. .. they have objections to the "jailhouse letters" written by KC on the grounds of attorney client priviledge.. WELL..
if the letters were written to a 3rd party (not a member of the defense) and she disclosed things that pertain to her attorneys.. it is NO LONGER PRIVILEDGED.. he needs to go back to law school if he doesnt know that.. IF a 3rd person is privvy to the information (from the client) there is NO longer an expectation of privacy, and attorney client priviledge is null and void pertaining to the matters discussed with the 3rd party.. so i am not sure what their argument could be about. KC is the one who wrote the letters..
200,000 ABC
70,000 lawyer contribution
20,000 from lyons clinic
5,000 anonymous donor.
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295,000
- 112,500
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182,500--- this is the amount unaccounted for.. one hundred eighty two thousand five hundred dollars.. THAT IS A LOT OF $$$$ missing..
one thing that mason said at the end. .. they have objections to the "jailhouse letters" written by KC on the grounds of attorney client priviledge.. WELL..
if the letters were written to a 3rd party (not a member of the defense) and she disclosed things that pertain to her attorneys.. it is NO LONGER PRIVILEDGED.. he needs to go back to law school if he doesnt know that.. IF a 3rd person is privvy to the information (from the client) there is NO longer an expectation of privacy, and attorney client priviledge is null and void pertaining to the matters discussed with the 3rd party.. so i am not sure what their argument could be about. KC is the one who wrote the letters..
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I also noticed how Judge Strickland gave them FIVE days at first, but Bozo asked for FIFTEEN...and got them! Give this sheister an extra ten days to fake up some paperwork (JMHO). I can't wait to see where all of this money went.
Also, like I stated during the hearing...since KC already received so much money AND she has had offers for book & movie deals, why NOT make them take the money & pay for her defense? I hate to see money being made off Caylee (nothing good will ever come of it, IMO) but why not tell them to take a dea? Maybe even a "Judge approved" deal? They have taken money in the past. They have offers, so why not make them take whatever is offered, so that KC can't sit in jail later & watch her ass grow wider, on the money that will eventually be made anyway?
Also, like I stated during the hearing...since KC already received so much money AND she has had offers for book & movie deals, why NOT make them take the money & pay for her defense? I hate to see money being made off Caylee (nothing good will ever come of it, IMO) but why not tell them to take a dea? Maybe even a "Judge approved" deal? They have taken money in the past. They have offers, so why not make them take whatever is offered, so that KC can't sit in jail later & watch her ass grow wider, on the money that will eventually be made anyway?
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Another thing...Bozo and Lyon don't have much to account for considering the amount of hours they claim they worked on this case. Strickland should ask them how far along they have gotten in almost two years of delays.
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FystyAngel wrote:I also noticed how Judge Strickland gave them FIVE days at first, but Bozo asked for FIFTEEN...and got them! Give this sheister an extra ten days to fake up some paperwork (JMHO). I can't wait to see where all of this money went.
Also, like I stated during the hearing...since KC already received so much money AND she has had offers for book & movie deals, why NOT make them take the money & pay for her defense? I hate to see money being made off Caylee (nothing good will ever come of it, IMO) but why not tell them to take a dea? Maybe even a "Judge approved" deal? They have taken money in the past. They have offers, so why not make them take whatever is offered, so that KC can't sit in jail later & watch her ass grow wider, on the money that will eventually be made anyway?
I just brought that up in another thread before I saw your post! LOL
But your point is different, and I agree with you he's got to have time to make up some things! Also, he needs more days to 'get paid' for his pro bono work, like maybe he can cheat the IRS and write it off his taxes!
He IS a sheister!
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Great article by Blink today:
HOT MESS SPOILER ALERT
Who thought this was a good idea on behalf of THE BAEZ LAW FIRM?
Who raised their hand at the weekly status update and said:
“I’m sick of this crapp-ass coffee, I make $300 bucks an hour.
I make big bucks so I should be drinking STARbucks.
Gimme a Venti. I can’t drink this swill another 3/4 hour minimum or I will surely die before the trial.
I KNOW.. how about we figure out a way to make OTHERS pay for it??
Sound ridiculous?
That is nothing compared to the caught-on-camera cluster that took place during yesterdays hearing to declare accused murderer Casey Anthony indigent for costs.
Andrea Lyon, lead counsel and chronic look-of-woehaver, feels approximately $70Geeze of her “charity’s” money has been spent on this case. (Edited to add, methinks she is subtracting $22Geeze, read on)
Read more:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/03/18/cayleecasey-anthony-case-indulgent-definately-indigent-hardly/
HOT MESS SPOILER ALERT
Who thought this was a good idea on behalf of THE BAEZ LAW FIRM?
Who raised their hand at the weekly status update and said:
“I’m sick of this crapp-ass coffee, I make $300 bucks an hour.
I make big bucks so I should be drinking STARbucks.
Gimme a Venti. I can’t drink this swill another 3/4 hour minimum or I will surely die before the trial.
I KNOW.. how about we figure out a way to make OTHERS pay for it??
Sound ridiculous?
That is nothing compared to the caught-on-camera cluster that took place during yesterdays hearing to declare accused murderer Casey Anthony indigent for costs.
Andrea Lyon, lead counsel and chronic look-of-woehaver, feels approximately $70Geeze of her “charity’s” money has been spent on this case. (Edited to add, methinks she is subtracting $22Geeze, read on)
Read more:
http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/03/18/cayleecasey-anthony-case-indulgent-definately-indigent-hardly/
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PS: Is he kiddin me? He didn't keep track of his hours??!!! Gimme a break! When I have had to deal with an attorney EVERYBODY in the office had a stop watch!
She knew who I talked to in the office and for how long. She knew how long I talked to her. She knew how long she talked to someone else about my case, and she knew who spent how much time preparing paperwork for the court, delivering said paperwork, she knew how many certified letters were sent out and who transcribed them, she knew what the postage fees were for them, she knew what she paid summons servers, etc, etc, etc- the list goes on and on. She knew how much time spent in court and how much time she spent preparing for court appearances.
All of these minutes (which add up to hours) are BILLABLE and all these minutes were shown on an ITEMIZED STATEMENT to me. If monies came out of her retainer, I still got a statement showing her charges AND the balance of my retainer that was left after payment. THAT'S HOW LAWYERS GET PAID! They HAVE to show what they are billing for and they have to give you an accounting of this! THEY DON'T GET TO THINK ABOUT IT FOR A YEAR OR TWO AND THEN 'GUESTIMATE' WHAT THEY THINK THEIR BILL SHOULD BE!
(rant officially over)
If Jose's tax returns are as sloppy as his billing, he's in deep doodoo. Did he 'guestimate' those too? Is the IRS going to take an interest in his tax returns for say the last 7 years? Let's hope so! kh
She knew who I talked to in the office and for how long. She knew how long I talked to her. She knew how long she talked to someone else about my case, and she knew who spent how much time preparing paperwork for the court, delivering said paperwork, she knew how many certified letters were sent out and who transcribed them, she knew what the postage fees were for them, she knew what she paid summons servers, etc, etc, etc- the list goes on and on. She knew how much time spent in court and how much time she spent preparing for court appearances.
All of these minutes (which add up to hours) are BILLABLE and all these minutes were shown on an ITEMIZED STATEMENT to me. If monies came out of her retainer, I still got a statement showing her charges AND the balance of my retainer that was left after payment. THAT'S HOW LAWYERS GET PAID! They HAVE to show what they are billing for and they have to give you an accounting of this! THEY DON'T GET TO THINK ABOUT IT FOR A YEAR OR TWO AND THEN 'GUESTIMATE' WHAT THEY THINK THEIR BILL SHOULD BE!
(rant officially over)
If Jose's tax returns are as sloppy as his billing, he's in deep doodoo. Did he 'guestimate' those too? Is the IRS going to take an interest in his tax returns for say the last 7 years? Let's hope so! kh
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AMEN! khintx...that is an awesome article. Thank you for posting it. This sure is turning into the biggest circus I have ever seen! I believe when all is said & done, there will be true justice for Caylee.
JUSTICE FOR CAYLEE!
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TICK TOCK JOSE! I believe Judge Strickland is waiting for you to deliver your accounting and billing paperwork to him for his review so that he can make a ruling on your motion! Didja ferget or what??? kh
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khintx wrote:TICK TOCK JOSE! I believe Judge Strickland is waiting for you to deliver your accounting and billing paperwork to him for his review so that he can make a ruling on your motion! Didja ferget or what??? kh
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wow.. thanks for that article..
i REALLY didnt know that the "gift" todd (cannot spell his last name) "gave" KC was such a HUGE ethical violation..
isnt he already in deep you know what with the Barr association?
and i have NEVER heard of an attorney that does not keep track of billable hours.. that is a load of Bull poo!!
and miss lyon.. 70,000 dollars?? really?? a what have they done that could spend 10,000, not to mention 70,000.. and her so-called "charitable organization.. hmm.. i wonder if the donors to this "organization" know where their $$ is going... and who polices the spending of all that cash..
KC really hit the jackpot. .. in my count (i am not an accountant, but basic math is within my grasp).. there has been 295,000 @ to run through the dirty hands of KC anthony.. who knew.. i bet if she would have thought caylee was this much of a cash crop, she would have offed her LONG AGO..
i REALLY didnt know that the "gift" todd (cannot spell his last name) "gave" KC was such a HUGE ethical violation..
isnt he already in deep you know what with the Barr association?
and i have NEVER heard of an attorney that does not keep track of billable hours.. that is a load of Bull poo!!
and miss lyon.. 70,000 dollars?? really?? a what have they done that could spend 10,000, not to mention 70,000.. and her so-called "charitable organization.. hmm.. i wonder if the donors to this "organization" know where their $$ is going... and who polices the spending of all that cash..
KC really hit the jackpot. .. in my count (i am not an accountant, but basic math is within my grasp).. there has been 295,000 @ to run through the dirty hands of KC anthony.. who knew.. i bet if she would have thought caylee was this much of a cash crop, she would have offed her LONG AGO..
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Love the Blink article...hope Judge Strickland gets a copy.
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I think he needs to go back to law school then. I don't see where attorney-client privilege would come into play unless the letters were written from KC to one of her attorneys.randilynn wrote:one thing that mason said at the end. .. they have objections to the "jailhouse letters" written by KC on the grounds of attorney client priviledge.. WELL..
if the letters were written to a 3rd party (not a member of the defense) and she disclosed things that pertain to her attorneys.. it is NO LONGER PRIVILEDGED.. he needs to go back to law school if he doesnt know that.. IF a 3rd person is privvy to the information (from the client) there is NO longer an expectation of privacy, and attorney client priviledge is null and void pertaining to the matters discussed with the 3rd party.. so i am not sure what their argument could be about. KC is the one who wrote the letters..
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Attn IRS....there is an attorney in Florida named Jose Baez who has questionable accounting methonds. He deserves a full investigation.
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Cali wrote:Attn IRS....there is an attorney in Florida named Jose Baez who has questionable accounting methonds. He deserves a full investigation.
You are so right, Cali.
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Just KNOWING that Caylee is dead...that start screen smirk...makes me want to smack it off her face. Now I am the one needing anger management!
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We all need anger management when it comes to Casey. She's been allowed to use $200,000 of blood money to fund her defense and has never once seem bothered by the fact that Caylee was dead. I have a strong feeling that the jury's verdict will smack the smirk off her face.
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i am with you all..
lets just say for a moment that KC did not kill caylee (i know its tough.. but stick with me here a moment.) EVEN if caylee was abducted by some fictitious nanny. .. or aliens (whatever her next story may tell) and was murdered... what the HELL is KC happy about??
all of these children that are brutalized and murdered by stangers, i cannot think of ONE TIME that their parent/s were on television looking all chipper.
i think there will be a DRASTIC change in killer come time a jury is sitting in the box. it will be a repeat of the one hearing where they cued KC to "sob" ... i just hope that the prosecution is smart enough to bring up all the times she has been seen in court up to that day smiling, joking, and laughing without a care in the world.
it is all on record, and i suppose the videos of her prior court appearances could be shown in open court to the jury just to bring home the final act in her little performance that we will no doubtedly see.
that, along with the pole dancing pics at fusion when she was "despirately seaching" the recesses of that womans cleavage for poor caylee.. she didnt find her there, nor in the bottom of the numerous beer bottles she searched either.. poor girl.. she tried so hard.
lets just say for a moment that KC did not kill caylee (i know its tough.. but stick with me here a moment.) EVEN if caylee was abducted by some fictitious nanny. .. or aliens (whatever her next story may tell) and was murdered... what the HELL is KC happy about??
all of these children that are brutalized and murdered by stangers, i cannot think of ONE TIME that their parent/s were on television looking all chipper.
i think there will be a DRASTIC change in killer come time a jury is sitting in the box. it will be a repeat of the one hearing where they cued KC to "sob" ... i just hope that the prosecution is smart enough to bring up all the times she has been seen in court up to that day smiling, joking, and laughing without a care in the world.
it is all on record, and i suppose the videos of her prior court appearances could be shown in open court to the jury just to bring home the final act in her little performance that we will no doubtedly see.
that, along with the pole dancing pics at fusion when she was "despirately seaching" the recesses of that womans cleavage for poor caylee.. she didnt find her there, nor in the bottom of the numerous beer bottles she searched either.. poor girl.. she tried so hard.
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From randilynn's post > "lets just say for a moment that KC did not kill caylee (i know its tough.. but stick with me here a moment.) EVEN if caylee was abducted by some fictitious nanny. .. or aliens (whatever her next story may tell) and was murdered... what the HELL is KC happy about??
Exactly!
And what about the Ant's getting furious over any memorials or flowers left at their home AFTER Caylee was found? Who gets angry over shows of compassion, and for a small child? Were the Ant's mad because the gifts weren't for them? Do you think if anyone had offered them cash in sympathy that Caylee was dead they'd have gotten angry about that? Not hardly!
They never said one nice thing about the memorials! They just got mad! And did they make one? No! and the service doesn't count because it was also about Casey.
who thinks Casey has a picture of Caylee in her cell? I vote no. :)
Exactly!
And what about the Ant's getting furious over any memorials or flowers left at their home AFTER Caylee was found? Who gets angry over shows of compassion, and for a small child? Were the Ant's mad because the gifts weren't for them? Do you think if anyone had offered them cash in sympathy that Caylee was dead they'd have gotten angry about that? Not hardly!
They never said one nice thing about the memorials! They just got mad! And did they make one? No! and the service doesn't count because it was also about Casey.
who thinks Casey has a picture of Caylee in her cell? I vote no. :)
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What do you think, maybe LE can mail her a picture of Caylee, as she was found on Dec. 11. The picture should be enlarged and the jailers can hang it in her cell.
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She sure deserves that, mama! But I'd be satisfied if she had a picture of Caylee at all in her cell. I bet she doesn't!
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Did you notice at the trial Thursday, GA & CA did not have any type of KC or Caylee buttons on? Wonder Why?????
I doubt they even wear the necklaces with Caylee's ashes any more either.
If we mailed KC a picture of Caylee, she would probably say, 'Caylee who?'.
I doubt they even wear the necklaces with Caylee's ashes any more either.
If we mailed KC a picture of Caylee, she would probably say, 'Caylee who?'.
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Either that, sitemama, or she would hang it up as her
trophy for her evil deed. She is proud of what she did, and she knows that Cindy is going to continue to view and read of how proud Casey is of her final "payback".
trophy for her evil deed. She is proud of what she did, and she knows that Cindy is going to continue to view and read of how proud Casey is of her final "payback".
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Casey Anthony’s” All Smiles” Body Language Shows She’s Feeling Confident With New Lawyer Cheney Mason on Team While Jose Baez ‘s Body Language Shows Some Distancing
March 21st, 2010
Casey Anthony’s body language was all smiles as she walked into the courtroom and she continued to smile. You could tell she was pretty excited to be in the courtroom as she was taking a lot of deep upper chest breaths are indicative of excitement.
Read more:
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/casey-anthony%E2%80%99s%E2%80%9D-all-smiles%E2%80%9D-body-language-shows-she%E2%80%99s-feeling-confident-with-new-lawyer-cheney-mason-on-team-while-jose-baez-%E2%80%98s-body-language-shows-some-distan/
March 21st, 2010
Casey Anthony’s body language was all smiles as she walked into the courtroom and she continued to smile. You could tell she was pretty excited to be in the courtroom as she was taking a lot of deep upper chest breaths are indicative of excitement.
Read more:
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/casey-anthony%E2%80%99s%E2%80%9D-all-smiles%E2%80%9D-body-language-shows-she%E2%80%99s-feeling-confident-with-new-lawyer-cheney-mason-on-team-while-jose-baez-%E2%80%98s-body-language-shows-some-distan/
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thanks for the article julie.. i always LOVE reading her body language rundowns.
even with the "explaination" i still find it hard pressed to see what a "woman" with a murdered child has to smile about.. JMO though.
even with the "explaination" i still find it hard pressed to see what a "woman" with a murdered child has to smile about.. JMO though.
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Randi-I agree, it's like she has no heart!
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George and Cindy Anthony’s Body Language Shows Trouble in Their Relationship
March 23, 2010
PHONINESS IN HAND HOLDING
George and Cindy Anthony can hold hands all they want and even smile as they pretend everything is fine between them, but THE BODY DOESN’T LIE AND NEITHER DOES THE FACE OR THE VOICE. They can get all the image consulting they want but eventually the truth will leak out in the way they move and speak.
I know this for a fact as I have spent over two decades helping people how to improve their image, the way they speak and their body language. While it may work for a movie role and even for a job interview, in order for it to stick on a long term basis and become a part of you there has to be a significant change in your psyche. It takes considerable time and effort.
So, when I see this photo of George and Cindy holding hands and Cindy smiling like she doesn’t have a care in the world, she and George are NOT fooling anyone, I see right through them.
In this photo we see too much physical distance between them. When a couple is connected even if they are an old married couple who have been married for decades, the physical distance between them is not as great as we see with Cindy and George.
George is stiff in his body language as you can see by the rigidity in his muscles. When people are that tense looking around one another it usually means that they don’t really like one another that much.
Also George is looking down ands she is giving a phony smile for the cameras. When a couple isn’t looking in the same direction, it means that they are not like minded. George’;s facial expression shows a phony smile as well. His lips are tight and pursed which actually shows anger. The furrowed brow and tension in his eyes also show upset. So this is NOT a happy man around Cindy.
When people really like one another the gravitate towards each other like magnets. In this case George and Cindy’s upper and lower bodies appear to repel one another.
50 SOMETHING YEAR OLDS NEED TO WEAR BRAS
On a side note, in my view Cindy should really invest in a bra. To me it doesn’t look as though she is wearing one and if that is the case it speaks volumes. She is not a teenager or a woman in her 20’s who may not need one. She is in her late 50’s and definitely needs one.
If by chance she is wearing a bra, she needs to stop putting money into Casey’s monthly jail account so Casey can buy herself snacks and spend that money on buying herself a proper fitting bra so she doesn’t look so sloppy.
THE COLD SHOULDER
We have all heard the expression “giving them the cold shoulder.” It is not just an expression. It is a reality. This is exactly how it looks. When people’s shoulders are raised around another person, it means that they are distancing themselves from that person. In essence, the are forming a barrier between themselves and the other person.
In this photo we see George literally giving Cindy the cold shoulder as they walk together. Once again they are looking in different directions which shows that they are not in synch with one another. George looks down and he looks pained.
The cold shoulder scenario continues in the courtroom. Only this time it is Cindy who is cold shouldering George as you can see. George seems to be in his own world and isn’t even aware of Cindy as you see.
Cindy looks upset and disconnected from George. Her upset can be seen in the tension around her jaw area.
Read more:
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/george-and-cindy-anthony%E2%80%99s-body-language-shows-trouble-in-their-relationship/
March 23, 2010
PHONINESS IN HAND HOLDING
George and Cindy Anthony can hold hands all they want and even smile as they pretend everything is fine between them, but THE BODY DOESN’T LIE AND NEITHER DOES THE FACE OR THE VOICE. They can get all the image consulting they want but eventually the truth will leak out in the way they move and speak.
I know this for a fact as I have spent over two decades helping people how to improve their image, the way they speak and their body language. While it may work for a movie role and even for a job interview, in order for it to stick on a long term basis and become a part of you there has to be a significant change in your psyche. It takes considerable time and effort.
So, when I see this photo of George and Cindy holding hands and Cindy smiling like she doesn’t have a care in the world, she and George are NOT fooling anyone, I see right through them.
In this photo we see too much physical distance between them. When a couple is connected even if they are an old married couple who have been married for decades, the physical distance between them is not as great as we see with Cindy and George.
George is stiff in his body language as you can see by the rigidity in his muscles. When people are that tense looking around one another it usually means that they don’t really like one another that much.
Also George is looking down ands she is giving a phony smile for the cameras. When a couple isn’t looking in the same direction, it means that they are not like minded. George’;s facial expression shows a phony smile as well. His lips are tight and pursed which actually shows anger. The furrowed brow and tension in his eyes also show upset. So this is NOT a happy man around Cindy.
When people really like one another the gravitate towards each other like magnets. In this case George and Cindy’s upper and lower bodies appear to repel one another.
50 SOMETHING YEAR OLDS NEED TO WEAR BRAS
On a side note, in my view Cindy should really invest in a bra. To me it doesn’t look as though she is wearing one and if that is the case it speaks volumes. She is not a teenager or a woman in her 20’s who may not need one. She is in her late 50’s and definitely needs one.
If by chance she is wearing a bra, she needs to stop putting money into Casey’s monthly jail account so Casey can buy herself snacks and spend that money on buying herself a proper fitting bra so she doesn’t look so sloppy.
THE COLD SHOULDER
We have all heard the expression “giving them the cold shoulder.” It is not just an expression. It is a reality. This is exactly how it looks. When people’s shoulders are raised around another person, it means that they are distancing themselves from that person. In essence, the are forming a barrier between themselves and the other person.
In this photo we see George literally giving Cindy the cold shoulder as they walk together. Once again they are looking in different directions which shows that they are not in synch with one another. George looks down and he looks pained.
The cold shoulder scenario continues in the courtroom. Only this time it is Cindy who is cold shouldering George as you can see. George seems to be in his own world and isn’t even aware of Cindy as you see.
Cindy looks upset and disconnected from George. Her upset can be seen in the tension around her jaw area.
Read more:
http://drlillianglassbodylanguageblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/george-and-cindy-anthony%E2%80%99s-body-language-shows-trouble-in-their-relationship/
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