Don't clear Ronald Cummings yet!
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http://www.examiner.com/x-33505-Nashville-Crime-Examiner~y2010m4d20-Dont-clear-Ronald-Cummings-just-yet
I don't know where to put this. Has anyone else read it? What do you guys think?? kh
I don't know where to put this. Has anyone else read it? What do you guys think?? kh
khintx- Posts : 4022
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Re: Don't clear Ronald Cummings yet!
khintx wrote:http://www.examiner.com/x-33505-Nashville-Crime-Examiner~y2010m4d20-Dont-clear-Ronald-Cummings-just-yet
I don't know where to put this. Has anyone else read it? What do you guys think?? kh
kh...I find this article VERY interesting! Thank you.
April 20, 3:24 PM Nashville Crime ExaminerLevi Page
The attorney for Haleigh's father, Ronald Cummings, recently told the media that law enforcement advised his client who is currently awaiting trial on drug trafficking charges, to start making funeral arrangements for his daughter who vanished in February of 2009.
The investigation has taken a horrific twist, as investigators have now declared this case a homicide.
Here is what Ronald Cumming's attorney Terry Shoemaker told HLN's "Nancy Grace" Monday night:
Now the focus of the case has been on a man by the name of Joe Overstreet. A cousin of Misty Croslin. The Grandmother of Misty Croslin and Joe Overstreet has made public statements saying that Misty and Joe along with Tommy Croslin who is also jailed on charges of drug trafficking are involved.
In one story Grandmother Flora Hollers says Tommy Croslin confessed to her that he and cousin Joe tied Haleigh up with a rope, tied her to cinderblocks and then threw Haleigh in the St. John's river there in Satsuma Florida.
But the grandmother is leaving out key details: Was she dead or alive when the two of them threw them into the river? Grandmother Hollers told Nancy Grace she didn't know. When you leave out such a huge element as whether the child was actually dead, that leads me to believe the "confession" or part of it, is complete bogus.
In my opinion Tommy Croslin was just trying to get the attention off of himself, his sister and possibly Ronald Cummings. Let's just blame this cousin of ours who happened to be in the area at the time. There is not enough details to lead me to believe that he is telling the truth.
Since Joe lives in Tennessee, he would not be a familar face to Haleigh. If he tried to harm her in anyway, would Haleigh have scratched him? Would Haleigh have bitten him? Has Tommy or Misty stated that there are scratches or bites to him? Is there any evidence other than what is alleged by Misty's family that points to Overstreet?
Are we really going to trust two people who have failed polygraph after polygraph? Who have been so deceptive and manipulative ever since Haleigh vanished?
Flora Hollers also told Nancy Grace, that she was told by "someone in Florida" that Misty hit Haleigh in the head with an object and then Joe and Tommy disposed of the body. When Grace pressed Hollers on who gave her that information she couldn't recall.
So someone tells you, that 3 of your grandchildren murdered a 5-year-old child, tied her body to a cinderblock and dumped the body in an alligator infested river, and you don't recall WHO gave you that information? What a load of crap.
Hollers went on to say that her grandchildren were involved and that they don't have any "remorse." Then in the next breath when Grace asked Hollers whether Misty was involved, Hollers responded by crying and said no. Hollers described how Misty loved children.
So which is it? Was she involved? Was she not involved? Does she love children or does she not have any remorse?
This is the same woman, Misty Croslin who went on the "Today Show" and accused someone in Haleigh's other side of the family, of abducting her. Croslin says it was the other side of the family, then it was cousin Joe. Who next? An alien from mars?
While everyone has worked themself up into a frenzy over Joe Overstreet, why not ask why Misty Croslin and Tommy Croslin are just now coming out with this information. It has been a year since Haleigh vanished. They have been in jail for 4 months. If they wanted to get out of jail, why didn't they spill the beans in January when they were first arrested? They all have lawyers, they were all advised who ever talks first gets the deal.
My theory is that when there is more than one person involved in a crime, that the people involved do not want to point at each other, but they want to point at someone who is not involved, to get the attention off of themselves.
Instead of looking at who Tommy and Misty are pointing the finger at, look at who they are not pointing the finger at: Ronald Cummings, the father of Haleigh Cummings who was jailed right along with them for trafficking drugs.
I keep going back to the night Haleigh vanished and the 911 call:
Misty calls Haleigh "our daughter" in the 911 call. Haleigh was not Misty's daughter. Misty had only known Haleigh for 4 months. Was someone telling Misty what to say on the 911 call? Was Ronald directing her to say "our daughter."
Ronald Cummings takes over the 911 call, automatically telling the 911 operator that someone kidnapped his daughter, making a threat to kill them, making a point to say he was "at work." He then proceeds to hang up the phone.
Here are my questions:
1: Why is Misty making the phone call, a 17-year-old girl who is not even related to Haleigh? Why not the child's adult father?
2: Why verbally scream "I was at work!" It seems like he was wanting to make a point that he was at work, instead of the fact that his child is missing.
3: Why assume that the child was abducted? That is every parents worst nightmare. They put that thought in the back of their minds.
4: Why hang up the phone? Most people want to give law enforcement all the information they can, to help locate their daughter.
5: Ronald says he had better people to talk. Who would that be? Who is more important to talk to than the police?
Ronald also makes a point early on in the investigation of telling the media that both he and Misty passed their polygraphs with "flying colors." Their law enforcement polygraph results have never been released, but we know that Misty has failed tons of polygraphs. So if he is going to declare Misty passed, then we should also put into question if he was really telling the truth.
Here is an interview that both Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin gave Greta Van Susteren on the Fox News Channel:
While Misty is talking and giving her version of events, Ronald has his face turned. He is looking straight at her, as if to remind her to "stick to the script."
At one point Ronald covers up his microphone and tells Misty to look into the camera. But Ronald wasn't looking into the camera... Ronald was wanting to make sure that Misty was coming off as believable because Misty was the one who was there that night. He was "at work." ::rolls eyes::
Ronald also corrects Misty in the interview. When Misty said Haleigh and Junior were sleeping 4 inches away from her. Ronald jumps in and says "they were sleeping four feet away." There is a huge different between 4 feet and four inches! Also, how would Ronald know if he was at work that night?
In a later interview he gave HLN's Nancy Grace, he told Grace that Haleigh, Ron Jr, and Misty were all sleeping in the same bed:
GRACE: At 10:30, 11:00. At that time, was little Haleigh in the bed asleep with the brother?
CUMMINGS: Yes.
GRACE: And they all slept together in the same bed, correct?
CUMMINGS: Yes.
How did it go from 4 inches, to 4 feet, to all in the same bed? How would Ronald know if he was at work?
Ronald even married Misty, knowing that she couldn't get her story straight. He threw a big celebration with her where they ate cake, and spent time with family all the while his daughter was missing.
Does that scene jive with the 911 call where Ronald dramatically declares that he will kill whoever he abducted his child? If he was so worried, why did he marry Misty only a month after Haleigh vanished? What father of a missing child takes the time to marry someone, when his child has only been missing a month?
After the wedding Ronald Cummings, his new child bride and his family take off to New York for a little honey moon where they do an interview on the "Today Show." Ronald told the Today Show that he did not want the focus on his wedding, that he wanted it on Haleigh. I have a huge problem that load of crap coming from Ronald Cummings.
1: If you want the attention on Haleigh why marry Misty?
2: If you want the attention on Haleigh why fly to New York while she is missing?
3: Why did you give NBC permission to film the wedding? While the interview with Ronald Cummings and Misty Croslin was airing, pictures flashed across the screen of Misty and Ron eating cake, exchanging wedding vows, and celebrating. A big "TODAY EXCLUSIVE" was shown at the top of the screen.
4: I want to know if Ronald was given any money for the "TODAY EXCLUSIVE." If so, where did that money go?
We know that Ronald took Misty out to eat, to the race tracks and took her out on the town all the while searchers were frantically searching for his daughter. We know that when it came time for Ronald to pay he would tell the waiter "Don't you know who I am."
Let's be clear: Ronald Cummings is a sick , evil psychopath who used his missing child as a way to eat free meals and make tons of money. After his child went missing he got married and celebrated with his teen bride. All the while his childs body could have been decomposing in an alligator infested river.
Why marry her? To keep her quiet? To "keep her close" a quote many people attributed to him.
Ronald acted as if Haleigh was dead, and he acted like he wanted to get on with his life, take a listen to this interview where Ronald finds time to get a tattoo while his child is missing:
Ronald told the interview that he was tired of the media and that he "couldn't do what he wanted to do." What do you need to do? What is more important than finding your daughter, you idiotic dirt bag?
He complains about the camera in his face. MOST FAMILY MEMBERS OF MURDERED/MISSING CHILDREN would die for the media attention, not complain.
Ronald also bragged inside the tattoo shop about the money he was making.
How much more clear does it have to get? Ronald cared more about Misty, money, and "doing what he wanted to do." Than he did his missing child.
Also instead of searching for his daughter, contining to try to keep her name out there like the parents of ther missing/murdered children such as Marc Klaas, Beth Holloway, and Mark Lunsford. Ronald Cummings decided to hook back up with Misty, and traffick drugs with her. I hate to even compare Marc Klaas, Beth Holloway and Mark Lunsford to a dirt bag, drug dealer like Ronald Cummings. They have been amazing advocates for their children, unlike Ronald Cummings.
While in jail on drug charges we learn that Ronald makes a friend. A woman by the name of Alecia Dunbar (hat tip to the posters on the Scared Monkeys forum especially BeatnicHippie who outted Alecia Dunbar.) Dunbar also has a weird fascination with Joran Vandersloot in the Natalee Holloway case.
The paper reads "I love you Joran."
Listen to Ronald and Alecia's calls here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCc2bnHFaNA and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i6B72hrois&feature=related *Thanks to Art Harris for the videos.
Are these the actions of someone who is searching for his daughter? I also don't buy the load of bull crap coming from Ronald's mother. Does she seriously think anyone with a brain thinks he was dealing drugs to get Misty thrown in jail? He was dealing drugs because he is a drug dealing thug.
Take a look at SOME of his rap sheet:
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESSION OF CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES (OTHER THAN COCAINE, HEROIN, OPIUM, OR MARIJUANA) Gender M
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A POSSESS METHAMPHETAMINE Gender M
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2002-12-12 Source State FL
Offense 0893.13.6A COCAINE – POSSESSION Gender M
CUMMINGS, RONALD LEMYLES 1983-10-29 N/A N/A, N/A N/A N/A
First Name RONALD Middle Name LEMYLES Last Name CUMMINGS
Primary Address N/A City N/A State N/A
ZIP Code N/A Phone Number N/A Date of Birth 1983-10-29
Race WHITE Offense Date 2001-10-23 Source State FL
Offense 0784.011 MISDEMEANOR – ASSAULT Gender M
Now we are learning that some people including Alecia Dunbar have been trying to persuade Bounty Hunter Leonard Padilla to bail Ronald out of jail.
Even if you think Ronald is not involved, he left his child with a teenager who just got off a drug/sex/alcohol binge. That is not a responsible parent. Either way you slice it, Ronald is responsible for whatever happened to his daughter.
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http://www.examiner.com/x-33505-Nashville-Crime-Examiner~y2010m4d20-Dont-clear-Ronald-Cummings-just-yet
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That guy is singing to the choir with me! I couldn't agree with everything he said more.
Ron makes me Ron's mother makes me Misty makes me Oh, skip it! They all make me including granny Flo with her new made-for-tv hair!
Ron makes me Ron's mother makes me Misty makes me Oh, skip it! They all make me including granny Flo with her new made-for-tv hair!
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I continue to believe that Ron had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance. Listen to his ravings on the 911 call, and his "I was at work" smirk comment when- ever the subject of Haleigh's "disappearance" came up.
I always felt that Ron's mommy was covering up for her boy. I also thought that Misty's story kept changing as she couldn't recite the script that Ron and his mom gave to her, it was their story, not hers.
I always felt that Ron's mommy was covering up for her boy. I also thought that Misty's story kept changing as she couldn't recite the script that Ron and his mom gave to her, it was their story, not hers.
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i will concede that ron leaving his children with his little girl girlfriend was COMPLETELY irresponsible. but i dont believe for one sec that he had anything to do with her "disappearance".
all this about how he made it a point in the 911 call to say he was at work, to me, it is taking everything out of context. yes, he screamed "i was at work".. but it was in response to the 911 operator asking him repeated questions about what happened... when she asked him what the child was last wearing is when he finally got a little aggrivation in his voice and screamed "how am i supposed to know....i was AT WORK!!!"
the other thing is his demeanor in the 911 call, i personally think that he handled coming home from work and finding his daughter gone WAY better than i would have.. if it were me in the situation, the "babysitter" would have been bloody by the time the cops showed up!
guilty of being a bad parent, possibly. guilty of murdering his 5 year old daughter, i really dont believe it.. JMO though.
all this about how he made it a point in the 911 call to say he was at work, to me, it is taking everything out of context. yes, he screamed "i was at work".. but it was in response to the 911 operator asking him repeated questions about what happened... when she asked him what the child was last wearing is when he finally got a little aggrivation in his voice and screamed "how am i supposed to know....i was AT WORK!!!"
the other thing is his demeanor in the 911 call, i personally think that he handled coming home from work and finding his daughter gone WAY better than i would have.. if it were me in the situation, the "babysitter" would have been bloody by the time the cops showed up!
guilty of being a bad parent, possibly. guilty of murdering his 5 year old daughter, i really dont believe it.. JMO though.
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I honestly don't know what I think about this case as I have not followed it in detail the way I have the Anthony case. One thing I can say, however, is that it is getting more bizarre by the day.
I can't say who I think is responsible for HaLeigh's disappearance, but I am not yet convinced that Ron is responsible. I'm not saying I think there is no possibility he has some knowledge or rather, some suspicions, about something at this point, but I just can't say with certainty that Ron is involved, as many of you feel.
I can't say who I think is responsible for HaLeigh's disappearance, but I am not yet convinced that Ron is responsible. I'm not saying I think there is no possibility he has some knowledge or rather, some suspicions, about something at this point, but I just can't say with certainty that Ron is involved, as many of you feel.
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I could be wrong, but I've never felt that Ron was behind Haleigh's disappearance. His reaction on the 911 called seemed genuine. Other than that, I don't know what to think considering the truth and most the players in this case are strangers.
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J4A- I have never felt Ronald's statements were 'genuine." But I don't think this points to him as being a murderer either. I do think that he has knowledge of what happened. I do suspect he has helped to lead LE in their chase of red herrings. One person's opinion only, and we all have one. kh
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