Kyron Horman -- Missing 6/4/10 #1

I think Kaine was having an affair with Terri before Kyron was born. I don't think Desiree and Terri were good friends, I think Desiree only got to know Terri after she filed for divorce, and Kaine and Terri began living together. I think Kaine moved Terri in with him to care for Kyron when he had him. Then when Desiree went to Canada, Terri had him all the time.

What I can't understand is, when Desiree got well, why didn't she take her son back to live with her? Was the new husband more important? Do you think maybe Kaine and Kiara are now living with the Youngs?

http://www.examiner.com/x-52289-Portland-Pop-Culture-Examiner~y2010m6d13-Kyron-Horman-Search-Aggressive-Search-for-7-YearOld

"............Capt. Shults read off a piece of paper. "Some of the things that he enjoys are playing with his hot wheels cars, fishing, his art work, and playing with Bootsy and Ernie. Capt. Shults explained "And I'll tell you Bootsy is the cat...more or less like a security cat, because every time I walk the property that cat is with me."

Kaine Horman, Kyron's father, told Capt. Shults stories of Bootsy being at Kyron's side - walking to the bus stop with him and there when was dropped off to make sure he got home.

"Ernie is their canine in Medford and a sense of joy for him," Capt. Shults elaborated.

So the cat walked Kyron to the bus stop and back everyday? kh

khintx wrote:So the cat walked Kyron to the bus stop and back everyday? kh

Gets weirder by the minute!

In that presser I just watched....at the end Kaine talks about how Kyron wouldn't get out of bed until someone came to get him out of bed. Stay with me here...he says Kyron sleeps 12-14 hours a night and if he does wake up before anyone comes to get him he won't even go turn on the TV or get a drink or anything...he'll just stay in his bed! He said IF Kyron does wake up before anyone comes to get him he might go get a toy from his room to play with but he will take the toy back to bed with him and stay in the bed until someone comes to get him!



My stupid controlling bitch of a sister-in-law has, since day one of her first child, NEVER let the baby out of his bed for at least 12 hours! He's 6 now and he still isn't allowed out of his bed until someone comes to tell him he can get up...and it has to be at least 12 hours...and if he gets up and isn't making any noise by 12 hours she demands no one go get him until they absolutely have to even if that means he's in bed more than 12 hours! This kid KNOWS he'll pay the price if he gets out of his bed before someone comes to get him and tell him it's OK! The bitch didn't even feed him during those 12 hours when he was an infant! She let him cry and whatever....the rule has always been 12 hours in the bed so mommy could have her own time! No matter what! Her second child...same thing! Now she has 2 kids, 6 and 2....IN THEIR BED....not just in the bedroom mind you, IN BED, awake or otherwise, for 12+ hours every single night!

kh - i found that odd too, a cat walking a kid to the bus stop?? but okay, whatever...
sitemamma- I tend to agree w/ you - I think Kaine and Terri had an affair while Kaine was married to then wife Desiree who was 8 mo pregnant w/ Kyron - and THAT is why I think Desiree makes a point to say that her and terri were NOT friends early on. Yes, Terri has been in kyron's life since he was born, she was probably kaine's mistress - but that DOESN'T make her a murderer or kidnapper.
I still had not really developed a clear opinion, I've been flip-floppin' cause I'm just so down right confused!! but one thing that REALLY sticks out to me is that Terri called 911 when approached by the lawn guy that alleges she tried to hire him as a hit man - IF she HAD tried to hire him to off Kaine - WHY WHY WHY would she call the COPS of all ppl - who at that time had already pinpointed her (w/o coming out and saying so, but they had targeted her nonetheless and focused the investigation solely on her) - it makes no sense for her to call the cops UNLESS she was TRULY concerned for her safety!!! To me that speaks VOLUMES - i think the murder for hire allegations are a farce - I think she has been framed, either by LE or by kaine, desiree or tony (also LE)

Never heard of such! Strange. kh

Tish! Not just any ol cat either.... a security cat! kh

He looks up to his big brothers and enjoys spending time with them. They dance and rock out in the living room.

I know Terri has an older son, but where did the other 'big brother' come from? Where is he now?

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lol kh,

We saw what lengths LE went to in getting Ron and Misty to be behind bars.. Maybe, when Terri has no money and has to live on the street, she will be appraoched to traffic anabolic steroids????

AW~ Aint that the troof! kh

khintx wrote:There are so many things wrong with this case. I am not ready to convict the stepmom at all. No hate mail please! This smells to high heaven to me. My gut is sayin "no, something is more wrong here than a little boy being missing." Sorry, but that's the way I feel.
kh (ps: I will eat crow later if necessary).

lol, KH... I am with you!! If it turns out to be Terri, I hope it will be proven and not just assumed (like Misty in the Haleigh case) A landscapers allegation of murder for hire, is certainly not enough especially when LE has gone after Terri from day one.. Little Tanners account has been totally swept away, and with the lame excuse that there were no subs that day... As soon as someone cud actually say something to help lift the suspicion, it never got any airtime and is now seemingly forgotten.
I want to know all about this landscaper... and the "sting operation" ..and just becasue Kaine and Desiree have confirmed the results of Terri's poly, doesnt mean a hill of beans.. If Terri is charged with this, it is almost going to be impossible to believe the evidence unless it is a confession... I doubtr it will be long before someone comes up with a new allegation that Terri trold them she was plotting this all along..

sitemama wrote:

He looks up to his big brothers and enjoys spending time with them. They dance and rock out in the living room.

I know Terri has an older son, but where did the other 'big brother' come from? Where is he now?

Desiree has a 15 year old son, Quinn, who lives with his father. There is a photo on Terri's FB of Quinn celebrating is 15th with the Horman's. I believe she used to drive him down to Eugene with Kyron and Desiree would pick them both up to take home.

So, in other words, both of Kaine's wives, Desiree and Terri, brought a child (son) from a previous marriage to their marriage with Kaine, correct?

Then, both Desiree and Terri each had a child with Kaine during their marriages to him?

Have I got that right?

Snaz wrote:So, in other words, both of Kaine's wives, Desiree and Terri, brought a child (son) from a previous marriage to their marriage with Kaine, correct?

Then, both Desiree and Terri each had a child with Kaine during their marriages to him?

Have I got that right?

Then both Desiree and Terri's sons left the home...............

Thanks,kh! Geeze, what a mess.......

I'm still holding out in believing Terri had anything to do with Kyron's disappearance, but honestly, I don't even care, at this point, who is guilty.

I JUST WANT KYRON TO COME HOME ALIVE AND SAFE!!!

God bless Kyron.....

Maybe Kaine had a hand in Kyron's disappearance. He sure got rid of Quinn and Brandon. Both older boys went to live with their dad's, instead of living with Kaine and Desiree or Kaine and Terri. Then Desiree sends Kyron to live with his dad????? What is wrong with this woman??? She just doesn't want any kids? At least Terri was taking care of Kyron and Kiara.

In their presser yesterday, they asked Kaine about his relationship with Kyron...he talked about what they did together. Then the reporter asked Kaine what was Terri's relationship with Kyron like..Kaine hesitated and said "Terri would be able to answer that better than anyone, I won't speculate." Why would he have to speculate? Did he not see what their relationship was like living in the same house with both of them? Did Terri treat Kyron indifferently or did he just want to portray that Kyron and Terri did not have a loving relationship? I thought that was odd. He could have answered one way or the other, whatever the truth is, no matter what he feels about Terri right now. JMO.

Piper, how ridiculous Kaine is to say that! You're so right! He HAD to know...no need to speculate. What's going on?

I noticed in all the pressers they've done not ONE SINGLE time have they appealed to 'whoever has Kyron' to not hurt him and/or bring him home/let him go...nothing like that!

They are missing a link....and odd how that link seems to be the one sociopaths are missing.

I'm actually very disgusted with Desiree and Kaine..... Kaine sure is going out of his way to make himself look like the doting father, and Terri as the evil stepmother. It makes me sick.

We don't know that Kaine sent Quinn anywhere. Perhaps Quinn went to live with his father when Desiree got ill.

And as for James, his own father said that Terri sent him to live there because his grades were slipping and he was acting out at home.

The whole 'Kaine didn't want him there' is total rumour and presumptions from people without facts that want to make sense of things.

I think Kaine used the wrong word when he said he didn't want to speculate on the relationship between Terri and Kyron because I am sure that LE has said you can talk about A B C and D, but don't talk about specifics to do with Terri.

We don't know what went on in that house. We don't know who was bad or who was good.

I feel sorry for Kaine and Desiree because they don't seem to be able to do anything right. They are two parents whose child is missing and they weren't given a handbook on how to act in this situation or how to answer questions or what to wear for pressers.

Do I think Terri is wholly responsible? Most likely not, but do I think she is involved? I do.

She had 5 days to respond to the RO and did not. Her attorney is saying neither he nor Terri will comment on Kyron, the MFH plot, the RO, the divorce. I'm sorry, if there was complete innocence here, that is not the way they'd be playing it.

LE may have screwed up with the LS sting, but I do not doubt that there was actually something there and that LE felt pressure to get something she could be convicted on rather than just indicted with. The fact that the public, the media and these forums appear to be demanding something done now now now could be behind that.

But I do not at all see the bad that people are seeing in Kaine and Desiree. I do not see them acting oddly. And find it odd that people who would like people to step back and not try and convict Terri without evidence appear ready to do the same to Kaine and Desiree with even less evidence.

And none of this is actually helping bring Kyron home.

I fully believe that LE knows more than they are letting on. I believe that Kaine and Desiree know more than they are letting on. And to be honest, it really isn't our business. Just so long as they keep working hard and not giving up the fight to find Kyron. He is who and what is important here.

Snipped from MissMonkey's post:
I feel sorry for Kaine and Desiree because they don't seem to be able to do anything right. They are two parents whose child is missing and they weren't given a handbook on how to act in this situation or how to answer questions or what to wear for pressers.

With all due respect, MissMonkey, the same could be said of Terri..... imagine if she truly is innocent and has been slandered and viciously attacked by so many people all over the place.

As I peruse the internet, I tend to see more people who side with Desiree and Kaine, and are right on board with blaming Terri....

Then there are those of us waiting for the FACTS before casting blame onto someone. IMO, there is just too much confusion, and too little facts, in this case to have an informed opinion (INFORMED being the operative word there) about who is responsible for Kyron's disappearance.

I wish Desiree and Kaine would stop even mentioning Terri's name if they are going to have pressers, and focus 100% on talking about Kyron. They need to stop blaming Terri, telling the her to 'do the right thing' and 'cooperate with law enforcement' and just focus on bringing Kyron home.....

That's my opinion.

Snaz,

Your opinion is very well stated... You point out the double standard where exceptions for weird behavior/inconsistencies/and instigation seems to be given to Kaine and Desiree, yet Terri was never given any understanding. SHe was scrutinized from day one for nothing..How ppl can come up with the "hunch" and suspect Terri involvement is stupid. It has been a witchunt from day one and I am fgloored that many more ppl dont see that..How pp can feel sorry for Desiree and Kaine, for their moves being scrutinized, yet accuse Terri of involvement for absolutley no reason is unbelieveable..

The thought that Terri may be totally innocent and going thru this, for no reason other than her every move being scrutinized from day one is warped.

I actually feel sorry for all 3 of them and the rest of their families... I doubt any of them had anything to do with this disappearance... Meanwhile so much time is spent on convicting Terri, and many dont even talk about Kyron much at all...

I also agree that Kainse needs to stop talking about Terri all together.. I cant believe that he cudnt say anything about Terri and Kyron's relationship... He wud have known long before now if the two loved each other. Also in the pic of Kyron in front of his project... that smile seemed indicative of a happy child, not a care in the world and Terri was the photographer.. If he had issues with Terri, I believe there may have been a diff type of pic... As he was looking at Terri and the camera, he was full of love... it is obvious.. The least they cuf have done for respect of Kyron, is to say that Kyron loves Terri...

Desiree says that Terri has not told the truth in the 7-1/2 years she has known her. But earlier she said they were friends and she asked Terri to help care for Kyron when she became sick and the baby went to live with Kaine.

Story sure is changing now.

sitemama - i agree, desiree and kaine are both trying to distance themselves from terri - like they have known all along that she was capable of such an act - and maybe they are seeing things in retrospect - but that doesn't change the facts of the case (even though we have very FEW actual facts) I think they are embellishing the past - they were ALL very close up until last weekend really when Kaine moved out. now, suddenly, Kaine can't even say what kind of relationship he saw between Kyron and Terri? Is he so full of contempt toward Terri that he WON'T say the truth, that she WAS a loving mother? because that is how everyone else has portrayed her from the beginning, as being involved - up at the school all the time, helping w/ this or that, etc - and now Kaine has memory loss, or just doesn't want to tell the truth - because for him to lie about Terri is more convenient for him - but it doesn't help to bring kyron home anymore than terri not working w/ le (although i STILL have not seen a statement from LE that she isnt' cooperating)

Kaine and Desirae are sure playing the 'Terri dunnit' angle.

Makes it hard to say the media pushed this angle unreasonably when K and D are stuck on it too AND are feeding the media more and more of it.

My two-point question to K and D is.....why don't you two use some other avenue to speak to Terri about your desires that she cooperate? Why do you have to only use the media for it AS IF Terri is watching in the first place?

Surveillance videos collected from stores in Kyron case

By Anna Song KATU News and KATU.com Staff
Story Updated: Jul 10, 2010 at 3:10 AM PDT

PORTLAND, Ore. - Investigators have collected surveillance videos from local grocery stores in the disappearance of Kyron Horman, sources said.

The corporate offices of Fred Meyer and Albertsons both confirmed to KATU News on Friday they are cooperating with investigators in the Kyron Horman case.

Officials with Albertsons said they’ve turned over surveillance video from their store on Beaverton-Hillsdale Highway on June 4, the day the Skyline School second-grader disappeared.

Fred Meyer officials, however, will only say they are working with detectives regarding at least one store. They said if they turned over surveillance video, it would be up to investigators to disclose it to the media; however, sources said that the Sunset Fred Meyer off Highway 26 in Hillsboro has submitted video for investigators to review.

That store is five miles from Skyline School. The Albertsons, depending on the route taken, is anywhere from 14 to 16 miles from the school.

Investigators are trying to establish Terri Horman’s timeline, sources said. They say Terri was the last person to see Kyron and they are trying to find out what she did after she dropped him off at the school.

There is no indication that Kyron is in any of the video.

Former Multnomah County prosecutor Jim McIntyre said an arrest in this case has not been made because, “You have to be able to identify specifically what crime you’re going to charge. You can’t simply say, ‘you’re under arrest because everyone thinks you did something.’ I mean, you have to have evidence, more likely than not, that you committed a specific crime.”

He pointed out that without knowing what happened to Kyron, it is difficult to arrest someone and charge them based on circumstantial evidence alone.

He also said there’s a big difference between missing children and missing adults in pressing ahead with charges that are based on circumstantial evidence.

Adults leave paper trails that children don’t. They buy things at grocery stores with credit cards, use ATMs, write e-mails and make phone calls. Those are the kinds of things that stop when adults disappear. But a 7-year-old doesn’t leave those kinds of digital footprints.

“So when you have a child that goes missing, it becomes extremely more complicated in trying to establish whether that child is missing or whether that child is deceased,” said McIntyre. “If you don’t know those two answers then how do you identify which crime to charge?”

As to making an arrest in a murder-for-hire plot, McIntyre said that type of case is one of the hardest to prove unless the suspect or suspects confess or implicate themselves in the crime.

Police have not named Terri Horman as a suspect in the disappearance of Kyron and they haven’t made any arrests in the case.

http://www.katu.com/news/98150609.html

Tish,

You raise a great point that I have forgotten about, Re:
Kyron's and Terri's relationship... Her devotion to him via the school... The media and many others are too busy suspecting her (for no goo reason) where the good things are far away from our minds..
Beides having heard about Terri being a great mother at the beginning of the case, thank you for refreshing my memory about a hard fact that shows she did care..You are so correct in pointing out how Kaine is so poisoned that he cudnt even "remember" this significant act which says alot about Terri and Kyrons relationship...


The news article above about surveillance, written by KATU is a good example of how the media has been biased from day one.....

How they can refer to this case as ONLY HAVING CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE, is beyond me... WHat is the circumstantial evidence? Is it that Terri went to the gym??? SO did Kaine...is it becasue she is the only person that LE has implicated? Is it because of the way she stood in her presser?

What is the circumstantial evidence? I havent heard of anything (besides many ppl's dislikes of the way Terri breathes)..that is circumstantial agaisnt her....

I cant see how the murder for hire tale can be considered circumstantial.. The allegation is that nearly a month after Kyron's disappearance, we are told that LE "WENT LOOKING"for clues and ppl from Terri's past, where they happened to stumble on someone (who we know nothing about) that had a wild tale to tell...I cant figure out why many are sop apt to believe such a loose tale from someone we know nothing about, yet cant give Terri the benefit pf breathing properly...

It seems pretty clear that after almost a month of LE's influence on Kaine and Desiree, (where K and D, continued to stand by her) the landscaper tale was the straw that broke the camels back.. It shud seem plausible that something like that wud e enough.. Even if it is all hogwash which it prolly is.. Why is K and D coming out about the results of her poly now? They must have had this information from the time... Why were they still standing behind her then? Is it becasue they knew LE were going after Terri where they did not agree with it? Why are they now saying they always questioned her? That appears to be a lie.. Why are so many constantly giving K and D the benefit, when no one has done that for Terri?

Hopefully the video collected (shoddily, and month after the fact) will tell LE something to lead them too Kyron. Whatever monster did this, needs to be stopped. It is sad that LE's influence and narrow mindedness, left them doing nothing for so long. Why is this acceptable to so many?

As far as K and D's theory that Kyron is alive, wud be wonderful.. I personally have my doubts unless some monster has him holed up somewhere.... I cant see that any parent wud believe anything differently without any indication of evidence that he has been killed. On account of their belief that is only suggestive that LE has found nothing to implicate Terri to having done anything to Kyron...

I am surprised that many are so iresponsible to be led, with gang mentallity, for next to no reason... I cant believe they arent aware of how strong public opinion is and how it enables and perpetuates many investigations in the wrong direction...where we are only convicning and assuring LE that we like the way the investigation has been led and the direction it is taking...

I have to admit... this is the only forum where I can say my opinion without being pelted with virtual rotton fruit! I am still not sold that Terri is guilty. There's something hinky about the 'perfect couple' Kaine and Desiree..... I don't know what it is. Just a feelin. Still keeping an open mind and still sitting on the fence.......... I hate the way this case is going. Lottsa cheappa crappa in the newz without any real facts or confirmations (unless you count Desiree and Kaine, who people seem to think are 100% honest 100% of the time). I just got a bad feelin about this. kh

The Charleston WV 911 dispatchers received a call late Saturday night from the FBI to issue a BOLO message for Kyron Horman and a 1994 silver Ford van with no windows. The van and boy were spotted @ Advance Auto Parts on Saturday night.

http://wowktv.com/story.cfm?func=viewstory&storyid=82691

Could this be possible?

I sure hope the above is true and that the local LE can locate that van. I hope when we all get up Sunday morning, Kyron will have been found and returned to Oregon without delay.

OMG this is huge... ! My prayers are with Kyron and his family.. It wud have been nice to have a more detailed report.. I wud imagine that this place has a video camera at least in the neighborhood.. I am wondering if it is just a sighting where we see so often that doesnt have any merrit... In the Groanie casse, I believe that sighting was confirmed that it was her... and there was much being done before the quick arrest..

Here's hoping!

sitemama wrote:I sure hope the above is true and that the local LE can locate that van. I hope when we all get up Sunday morning, Kyron will have been found and returned to Oregon without delay.

I was thinking the same thing... I was also hoping that LE dont sluff it off as a false alarm.. but i do realize that they wud never foresake this boy and not even try as I am sure thewy are deeply affected by his disppearance and want him home....

AJ, as you can see in the link, this report was done after 11pm, and updated after 1am on Sunday morning, so I guess they really didn't have much info to give, other than the 911 message to issue a BOLO, and all officers to be on the look out for the van.

If they were seen at the auto parts store, I'm sure they have cameras, FBI has probably already reviewed the tapes, and that is why they issued the alert. I am really feeling good about this.

I sure hope this is Kyron............

I just read on someones twitter

"W VA dispatch tells Fox 12 #Kyron sighting was reported, but turned out not to be him. No word from FBI on BOLO"

Well, it's good to see people all the way to WVA are watching for Kyron!

Sadly, it wasn't him....but it is really nice to see they are looking for a live child. I was worried they had tunnel vision and gave up on finding him.

I wish they'd give information on any searches they did inside the school. I'm really worried he is still there.

They said they brought dogs in... I do think if he was there, there wud be a very strong odour....there is also the surrounding area where they say the dogs along with searchers checked.. I suspect it was prolly a small radius... I have concerns about the land transfer station and the landfill. They are said to be about 6 to 8 minute drive away...I want to believe he is still alive and hold out hope but the sad reality is that they say if a monster took him, they usually dont live past 24 hours..

If this is what happened.. we know these monsters use the trash and landfills .. There has already been 5 weeks where if he was in there, the chances of finding him are getting lesser every day...

I cant believe that LE dont do this routinely ( I realize it is costly...) rather than going on hunches at least if they can recover remains, there isnt much speculation required (Somer Thompson) so they dont have to guess and try and create circumstantial evidence agaisnrt their suspected perp....

I was really disappointed that I didnt hear one reporter question landfills ... I strongly believe ther media and the ppl lead investigations, at least to some degree.. I believe if the ppl and media were screaming about it, it ,may have been cheked.. We saw in baby Gabriels case where imo the media had a huge hand in having LE finally check the dump.. Sadly, they didnt find his little remains, but it was so long after the fact... who says they wud not have been successful in the first few days...
God Bless all these missing children and their families..!

Sources: Someone else may know what happened to Kyron

by Colin Miner and Michael Rollins, KGW.com staff
Updated July 11, 2010 at 9:21 AM

PORTLAND -- Investigators believe someone other than Terri Moulton Horman may know what happened to Kyron Horman, sources told KGW on Saturday.

The sources declined to characterize anyone who has that information, including when and how the details of the disappearance may have been passed along. But Terri may not be alone in knowing, the sources said.

In court records released last week, Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, said that investigators told him that they have probable cause to believe that Kyron's stepmother Terri was involved in his disappearance.

Sources also told KGW Saturday that investigators have been creating a detailed timeline of what Terri did the day her stepson disappeared.

While Terri Horman has said she was in certain locations, investigators have placed her elsewhere using bank card records and cell phone pings, according to sources.

Investigators know that she left Skyline Elementary School around 9 a.m. on the day her stepson disappeared and returned home about 1 p.m. But they are trying to fill gaps that opened up from what she told them.

Last week KGW reported that investigators have been using Terri Horman's cell phone and email records to see who she was in contact with just before and after the disappearance of Kyron.

The question whether more than one person was involved in Kyron's disappearance came up last week in interviews with Kaine Horman and Kyron's mother, Desiree.

Desiree told CNN that she believes that someone in addition to Terri Horman was involved in her son's disappearance and that Terri did not act alone.

"I don't think so," Desiree said, "Honestly, she didn't take out a contract on her husband alone, so I think she would need help.

Desiree was making reference to a murder-for-hire plot that came out in restraining order documents made public. The documents said Terri had tried to convince a landscaper late in 2009 to kill Kaine.

On Thursday, Kaine and Desiree spoke openly and candidly both during a press conference and in one-on-one interviews with media outlets.

Both said they have come to the conclusion that Terri was capable of harming the seven-year-old.

"When I look in her eyes, I'm not confident that she couldn't do something," Desiree told Kate Snow of NBC's 'Dateline.'

Kaine said "I think anything is possible based on what's gone on in the past few weeks."

Raw video: Parents believe Terri capable of harm

"I've known her a long time," Desiree said, "I know she's lying."

She drove home the point, saying "mothers have instincts and unfortunately I had feelings about this when I got the phone call," about Kyron's disappearance from Skyline grade school on June.

Raw video: Desiree describes call from Skyline

Kaine said that when he learned of a murder-for-hire plot, "I didn't believe it at first."

"It wasn't something I could wrap my head around," Kaine told NBC.

But even by the time he learned of the murder conspiracy, Kaine and Desiree had suspicions about Terri. "We were at that point before then," Kaine said.

Police have not identified Terri Horman as a suspect or person of interest.

In the interview, they again expressed hope that Kyron would be coming home. When asked if investigators have provided them information to have confidence that Kyron was alive, Kaine said yes. He declined to provide specifics.

Desiree said she and Kaine both passed polygraph tests "with flying colors." Kaine said Terri did not pass either of the two tests she took.

Sources confirmed to KGW that Terri not only flunked the two tests but walked out of one between the two, before the questioning even began

Desiree Young described Terri's behavior and participation "is ridiculous at this point." She said Terri "is not taking an active role" in finding Kyron.

Kaine explained that he asked the court to remove Terri from their home because Kyron deserves to come to his own room, not a "safe house" somewhere else.

Kaine's parents emphasized that they wanted to keep the focus on finding Kyron and bringing him home.

"Kyron's still missing that's what's important," said Kaine. "It (the murder-for-hire plot) will be dealt with later in a different venue, right now it's not important."

Meantime, Kaine and Desiree continue to try and get out their message, hoping Kyron sees it.

"Don't be afraid," Desiree said to Kyron, "We're going to come get you. You're coming home."

"I believe God is looking down over Kyron and protecting him," she said.

http://www.kgw.com/news/Desiree-Young-on-Terri-Moulton-I-know-shes-lying-98075814.html

Nancy Grace is supposed to have both his parents on her show tomorrow night.

AJ~ I know you are right, that school was checked. I just want so bad for this to be something other than an abduction or parental murder.

It scares the tar out of me to think a stranger may have went into a school and took a child and nobody seen a thing.

I do agree about the landfill. That was how they found Sommer so quickly, they followed the trucks right away. IMO, that should become part of every missing child investigation if the child is not found with the first 24 hours. Should be standard.

and the part that is so stupid, is that if they had checked in the beginniong, the cost wudnt be nearly what it wud now as well as the chances wud have been so much greater.. I dont get why elimating the obvious isnt done.. there is just no excuse..

I realize that if LE has no evidecne to show Kyron isnt alive, then they have to go on the pretense that he is alive, but in so many cases where the remains or confessions are made so much later, we hear that LE knew, but didnt have the evidence so had to keep the investigation for a missing person..
I pray he is alive but I cant see where he wud be for this long.. and it sounds crazy to hear LE think Terri and someone else were involved in the disappearance and that he is still alive.. Where wud she and or an accomplice put him???? Why?????? It doesnt make any sense..

Also, I thought it was very interesting how Kaine said he had had his doubts about Terri's innocence yet he said he didnt believe at forst about the murder for hire plot... That doesnt make sense... I think if he didnt believe it at first, it is prolly becasue he had no suspicion at all for her./.. this allegation is what prolly turned him and who cud blame him.. The prob is, it is prolly not true.. there is nothing suggesting she wud have done that...

Also, if he had suspected Terri, already, the murder for hire shud have been hard to wrap his head around.. I dont buy it.. What is so terrible is that these 3 are likley all innocent and grieving and being tugged and pulled by LE for no good reason other than LE'ssuspicion.. Oh and the above article says LE has probable cause.. If that was the case, she wud have been behind bars and way before now.. I dont believe that at all.. I think LE wud love for her to be behind bars.. on account she isnt there, is indicative there is not evewn probable cause.. just arm chair detectives playing who done it..

Jag,.

I too cant stand that thought of a monster, but I think that if he had been taken by Terri, there wud have been some kind of evidence, and also because his remains havent been found, I worry that he is in that awful trash...I think it is criminal for LE to not even check.. saying Kyron is living is a ruse for them to justify why they havent and didnt look hard for him... I also think if a monster took him, he cud still have him holed up... there wud be no motive at all for Terri to have done anything with Kyron... as well funny how landscapers have brought out this allegation ..seems whay too convieneient that LEs hunches are being ccorroborated by these 2 guys who prolly have lots to gain by stated such acrazy thing..

God Bless Kyron...

AJ, I agree with everything you said, and have I told you lately how much I enjoy reading your (books) oops, I mean your posts. You have really gotten into this case, and I truly wish you lived in Oregon so you could attempt to get your message through to the investigators.

If they didn't read any other blog, I wish they would read this one. I feel these LS guys are illegal aliens and are being used by LE to slander Terri. I wouldn't be surprised if LE told them what to say. On one of the videos I saw, a news reporter was trying to interview her in a parking garage and she wouldn't answer him. The news ppl kept saying, if she isn' guilty, why didn't she answer the questions. She didn't answer because she was with a lady that worked with her atty, and her atty has told her to keep her mouth shut.

Sources: Someone else may know what happened to Kyron

by Colin Miner and Michael Rollins, KGW.com staff
KING5.com
Posted on July 11, 2010 at 12:13 PM
Updated yesterday at 12:13 PM

PORTLAND -- Investigators believe someone other than Terri Moulton Horman may know what happened to Kyron Horman, sources told KGW on Saturday.

The sources declined to characterize anyone who has that information, including when and how the details of the disappearance may have been passed along. But Terri may not be alone in knowing, the sources said.

In court records released last week, Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, said that investigators told him that they have probable cause to believe that Kyron's stepmother Terri was involved in his disappearance.

Sources also told KGW Saturday that investigators have been creating a detailed timeline of what Terri did the day her stepson disappeared.

While Terri Horman has said she was in certain locations, investigators have placed her elsewhere using bank card records and cell phone pings, according to sources.

Investigators know that she left Skyline Elementary School around 9 a.m. on the day her stepson disappeared and returned home about 1 p.m. But they are trying to fill gaps that opened up from what she told them.

Last week KGW reported that investigators have been using Terri Horman's cell phone and email records to see who she was in contact with just before and after the disappearance of Kyron.

The question whether more than one person was involved in Kyron's disappearance came up last week in interviews with Kaine Horman and Kyron's mother, Desiree.

Desiree told CNN that she believes that someone in addition to Terri Horman was involved in her son's disappearance and that Terri did not act alone.

http://www.king5.com/news/Sources-Someone-else-may-know-what-happened-to-Kyron-98201989.html

JAG wrote:PORTLAND -- Investigators believe someone other than Terri Moulton Horman may know what happened to Kyron Horman, sources told KGW on Saturday.............

Was it Cousin Joe? kh

Is it just a rumor or was if verified that Kyron's glasses were mailed to the house?

Rumor or not, what was the story on that? Who opened the package, and when did this supposedly happen?

The family - minus Terri- said...."We miss his toothless smile, the belly laugh, the pouty lips, but most of all the hugs that he gives us each day. We also miss the everyday noise that emanates the house when he is playing."

Don't know why exactly, but this disturbs me! Especially the part that HE gives THEM hugs each day.

What's with these people? Couldn't they have said they missed the 'hugs they shared'? or they missed being able to hug him? Why is about them missing being hugged by Kyron? Don't they miss hugging him?

I'm really not trying to nit-pick...but it just jumps out to me that these people keep overstating their love for Kyron via continually focusing on their own selves...what THEY miss, what THEIR plans were to give Kyron a fun time (that day and the entire summer) etc, almost like they feel guilty for not having highly prioritized him before he went missing.

I think I'm fascinated by the focus they place on themselves with no mention of what Kyron himself might be going through since June 4th. It just seems like they are trying too hard to gain pity from everyone for themselves! What about for Kyron?

In that one video of them they say they hope Kyron is still alive, safe and being protected! Protected? Safe?

Every single time they open their mouth/or write an email, they leave out the one essential element of KYRON as an individual! It's all about them! And they say they want to keep Kyron's face out there....but what are they really doing? They want to keep their image of being good parents out there! And Kyron's face gets tagged as a rider! Can they just one time NOT talk about themselves?

I realize they think Terri did this, so they have no reason to plead to Kyron's kidnapper to bring him home....they only plead to Terri to cooperate with investigators! They must be certain Terri did do something with/to Kyron if they are leaving out all other possibilities. If they think she did it, they must also have an idea as to WHY she did it...why not go ahead and say what that reasoning is?

Is Kyron safe and protected somewhere really? Will we soon see a ransom note? And Kyron, after having been kept blindfolded (like in the movie Ransom), will show up somewhere unable to identify who was keeping him safe and protected all this time? If he does come back alive, who is he going to say took him off in the first place? A 'bushy-haired stranger' masquerading as a chaperon?

Is this all an elaborate plot for the family to get a movie deal? Is this like the little boy in the balloon thing?

At this point, I'm not putting anything past anyone in this family. They're all too weird! AND too focused on themselves AND in calling the shots with the media! AND in putting out carefully scripted pressers! AND in teaming up against Terri without giving any reason for it other than she lies all the time - so they say.

Maybe Terri does lie all the time. She apparently lied about going to the gym on June 4. But that lie was so early on....maybe she just said that because she didn't want Kaine to find out she didn't go...and maybe she didn't go because she wasn't really into working out but Kaine was wanting her back in shape like she was when he decided to marry her... and now her fear of Kaine is coming back to haunt her.

Terri follows crime stories online...we know this...wouldn't she then know that lying about where you went could be proven false via cell records? Wouldn't she then just turn off her cell phone to keep her lie going? Wouldn't she realize LE would check to see if anyone saw her at the gym? This sounds just like Casey's lies about dropping Caylee off at Sawgrass! Is Terri turned like Casey in that people are just supposed to believe whatever lame lie she tells?

I don't know....but it is starting to look like Terri is just a great candidate to scapegoat...and with the other 3 family parents pushing so hard at Terri's involvement, it might be time to look carefully at who didn't want Kyron in the first place aka Desirae.

Was Terri wanting Desirae to have custody of Kyron and Desirae didn't want that? Kaine said Kyron loved going to Skyline! Why didn't he say Kryon loved going to school! Was there an issue at hand that might have caused Kyron NOT to be able to go do Skyline anymore...like moving in full time with Desirae? Did Desirae not want him so badly, but didn't want to admit it (enter the wonderful loving mother thing constantly forced upon us via pressers), that she offed Kryon and set Terri up for the fall because Terri deserved it for trying to make her take Kryon back?

What did Desirae do with her time anyway? I'd really like to hear what her daily routine was.

All I know is if my grandkids come up missing, I'd be a prime suspect...just based on my hard-drive! I've said for a long time LE could close cold cases just by looking at what I search. So Terri liking true crime cases does not really play into it for me. I don't think it'd make her any smarter in committing a crime than it would you or I. I know *I* could never pull it off....lol.

I agree Lottie....something is way off on this family and the way fingers are pointing to Terri.

Let me ask all of yo something. If you were being looked at for a missing child and a landscaper pulled into your yard to blackmail you, would you call the police and give them a heads up on that person? IMO, only if you were innocent. Why draw attention to a person who may have information against you?