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I can't recall if I read it or heard it on TV but Andrea's remarks (before the spin started) about anything being odd/weird/strange/etc was in reference to she and Terri not being all that close yet Terri stopped to chat and even showed her that pic of Kyron at the science fair. She didn't think it was really odd, just that she wasn't used to chatting with Terri like a close friend would. Andrea did not indicate she thought Terri was up to anything....but she reflected back on it after Terri became Public Enemy No. 1 and wondered IF there might have been something odd to it.
I've run into people I don't know well, just as acquaintances, who I don't see often or know much about as friends go...and have chatted a while with them just to be friendly. Conversely, the person I'm chatting with is also chatting with me....and sometimes they've shared pics of their kids with me and if I have any to share I'll do likewise ( but I don't usually have any).
I guess my point is, you don't have to be close friends who chat all the time to chat each other up when you do see a familiar face. I just went to my first class reunion in 40 years.....so many people there who I'd not been friends with when in school, but I knew OF them....and many of those people approached me and shared photos and a bit of news as if we'd been good friends in school. Some people are just like that. They're always ready to share pics etc. I kindof got sick of seeing pics of kids of people I never really knew personally....but I got that they were just that way and there's nothing wrong it that or in Terri showing Andrea Kyron's pic. Anyway, Terri is big on photos and sharing....her facebook will tell anyone that.
I wish Terri could do one single thing right.
I've run into people I don't know well, just as acquaintances, who I don't see often or know much about as friends go...and have chatted a while with them just to be friendly. Conversely, the person I'm chatting with is also chatting with me....and sometimes they've shared pics of their kids with me and if I have any to share I'll do likewise ( but I don't usually have any).
I guess my point is, you don't have to be close friends who chat all the time to chat each other up when you do see a familiar face. I just went to my first class reunion in 40 years.....so many people there who I'd not been friends with when in school, but I knew OF them....and many of those people approached me and shared photos and a bit of news as if we'd been good friends in school. Some people are just like that. They're always ready to share pics etc. I kindof got sick of seeing pics of kids of people I never really knew personally....but I got that they were just that way and there's nothing wrong it that or in Terri showing Andrea Kyron's pic. Anyway, Terri is big on photos and sharing....her facebook will tell anyone that.
I wish Terri could do one single thing right.
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http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=9084
I just read that De De refused to take a polygraph. You know, I don't think I would agree to take one either. If they aren't allowed as evidence in court, why do they make such a big to-do when they say someone failed the tests.
I just read that De De refused to take a polygraph. You know, I don't think I would agree to take one either. If they aren't allowed as evidence in court, why do they make such a big to-do when they say someone failed the tests.
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Polygraphs are investigative tools.
If a person flat-out refuses to take one, then they have to wonder what they're hiding.
If they take one and "fail", you know damn well they're lying.
Polygraphs are INADMISSABLE.
People LIE and PASS, others tell the TRUTH and FAIL.
It happens every day.
For someone who is very emotionally distraught, someone who suffers from anxiety/panic attacks, they may not do too good.
If a person flat-out refuses to take one, then they have to wonder what they're hiding.
If they take one and "fail", you know damn well they're lying.
Polygraphs are INADMISSABLE.
People LIE and PASS, others tell the TRUTH and FAIL.
It happens every day.
For someone who is very emotionally distraught, someone who suffers from anxiety/panic attacks, they may not do too good.
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You know Calypso, if I knew I had nothing to do with the disappearance, and I could prove it, and they were persecuting my best friend, I would refuse to take the polygraph such for spite. Let them think what ever they want to think, they can't prove anything.
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No, kidding! I would have lawyered up real quick too!
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I believe Terri felt pressured to take the polygraph and in being compliant to prove she had nothing to hide, she shot herself in her own foot.
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Does anyone wonder why Dez and Kaine and Tony were asked to take a poly? They had solid alibis, didn't they? Why even be asked to take one?
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An anonymous commenter on the KGW website claimed DeDe Spicher had taken and passed a polygraph. That was posted about three weeks ago. She said she's a 20-year-long friend with DeDe and that DeDe had been cooperative.
I wouldn't blame DeDe if she refused, though. I think polygraphs are as reliable as using Tarot cards.
I wouldn't blame DeDe if she refused, though. I think polygraphs are as reliable as using Tarot cards.
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Well, back to the rumor mill, I heard Dede already took a poly and FAILED.
NOTHINGS BEEN CONFIRMED!!
ALL RUMOR! DAMN!
NOTHINGS BEEN CONFIRMED!!
ALL RUMOR! DAMN!
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I wish that Terri would just slap them all down with a lawsuit for harassment. Maybe then, if they have any, the evidence will come out. And if not, all these people threatening her with pulling out fingernails and waterboarding will wake up and smell the coffee.
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Terri is a much stronger woman than I am. Lawyer or not, I would be answering some of these remarks by D & K.
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sitemama wrote:Terri is a much stronger woman than I am. Lawyer or not, I would be answering some of these remarks by D & K.
What ever she says, they're gonna tear it apart. There's nothing she can say about D&K that won't be twisted. kh
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Kyron Horman: Divorce case casts shadow on inquiry into disappearance
Published: Saturday, August 21, 2010, 10:51 PM
Updated: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 8:11 PM
Maxine Bernstein, The Oregonian
Law enforcement officials have refused to publicly discuss the focus of their 11-week investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman, but that hasn't kept explosive details from dribbling out in the father's divorce filings and in regular news conferences called by the missing boy's parents.
Among the bombshells: Allegations that Kyron's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, tried to hire a hit man to kill her husband, Kaine Horman. Sexting from Terri Horman to Michael Cook, a former high school friend of Kyron's father, after the boy went missing and her husband filed for divorce. Cell phone text messages between Terri Horman and Cook in which she appears to cite how much her criminal defense attorney costs.
Several criminal defense attorneys say it suggests an orchestrated attempt by law enforcement to steer the investigation and could hamper the fairness of any future trial. Other legal experts say there's no Oregon law or ethics rule that prevents it from occurring.
(see link for full story).........
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_divorce_case_cast.html
Published: Saturday, August 21, 2010, 10:51 PM
Updated: Sunday, August 22, 2010, 8:11 PM
Maxine Bernstein, The Oregonian
Law enforcement officials have refused to publicly discuss the focus of their 11-week investigation into the disappearance of Kyron Horman, but that hasn't kept explosive details from dribbling out in the father's divorce filings and in regular news conferences called by the missing boy's parents.
Among the bombshells: Allegations that Kyron's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, tried to hire a hit man to kill her husband, Kaine Horman. Sexting from Terri Horman to Michael Cook, a former high school friend of Kyron's father, after the boy went missing and her husband filed for divorce. Cell phone text messages between Terri Horman and Cook in which she appears to cite how much her criminal defense attorney costs.
Several criminal defense attorneys say it suggests an orchestrated attempt by law enforcement to steer the investigation and could hamper the fairness of any future trial. Other legal experts say there's no Oregon law or ethics rule that prevents it from occurring.
(see link for full story).........
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_horman_divorce_case_cast.html
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Snipped from the article above.......
Several criminal defense attorneys say it suggests an orchestrated attempt by law enforcement to steer the investigation and could hamper the fairness of any future trial. Other legal experts say there's no Oregon law or ethics rule that prevents it from occurring."
Im glad a reporter has taken the time to write this... It is a shame that such a staement needs to be written to acknowledge and point out the witchunt that we have seen thus far....
Im also glad she has pointed out that there is nothing stopping this from occuring...So sad.....
I am losing faith that any searching for Kyron will ever take place....
It seems so obvious to me that LE have used Terri from day one, as an excuse as to why they wont look for Kyron.... To see how many ppl accept this and are on board with LE is ludicrous....
Gang mentality seems to be running this investigation where no one has to spend any money or work....
I read an article where a reporter articulated the gist of LE's thoughts.. claiming that they believe Terri stashed away Kyron for some unknown reason....????
That is just about the craziest idea ... How ppl cud think that is more plausible than considering a stranger/ped abduction amazes me....
I cud see how D and K cud be sold on that idea where they completely turned against Terri as that is about the only way they cud continue believeing he is still coming home soon....
I pray he is returned safely, but the likeliness seems less and less as time goes on.. There are always the cases like Steven,s and Jaycee's and Elizabeth's, and here's hoping..
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Several criminal defense attorneys say it suggests an orchestrated attempt by law enforcement to steer the investigation and could hamper the fairness of any future trial. Other legal experts say there's no Oregon law or ethics rule that prevents it from occurring."
Im glad a reporter has taken the time to write this... It is a shame that such a staement needs to be written to acknowledge and point out the witchunt that we have seen thus far....
Im also glad she has pointed out that there is nothing stopping this from occuring...So sad.....
I am losing faith that any searching for Kyron will ever take place....
It seems so obvious to me that LE have used Terri from day one, as an excuse as to why they wont look for Kyron.... To see how many ppl accept this and are on board with LE is ludicrous....
Gang mentality seems to be running this investigation where no one has to spend any money or work....
I read an article where a reporter articulated the gist of LE's thoughts.. claiming that they believe Terri stashed away Kyron for some unknown reason....????
That is just about the craziest idea ... How ppl cud think that is more plausible than considering a stranger/ped abduction amazes me....
I cud see how D and K cud be sold on that idea where they completely turned against Terri as that is about the only way they cud continue believeing he is still coming home soon....
I pray he is returned safely, but the likeliness seems less and less as time goes on.. There are always the cases like Steven,s and Jaycee's and Elizabeth's, and here's hoping..
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Great post, AW. I could not agree more. kh
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Since Kaine and Desiree went before the GJ they havent spoken out publically per the GJ instructions.
I wonder how difficult this has been for them.
I wonder how difficult this has been for them.
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Kaine & Terri Horman expected in court today
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Posted on August 25, 2010 at 7:27 AM
Updated today at 8:04 AM
PORTLAND – Kaine Horman and his estranged wife, Terri Moulton Horman were scheduled to appear in court Wednesday as part of their divorce proceedings.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine--Terri-Horman-expected-in-court-today-101470199.html
by KGW Staff
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Posted on August 25, 2010 at 7:27 AM
Updated today at 8:04 AM
PORTLAND – Kaine Horman and his estranged wife, Terri Moulton Horman were scheduled to appear in court Wednesday as part of their divorce proceedings.
http://www.kgw.com/news/Kaine--Terri-Horman-expected-in-court-today-101470199.html
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I would love to be a fly on the wall in that courtroom today. And the grand jury is reconvening as well.
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Another strange video:
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Calypso, that is disturbing...Wonder if LE have checked it out...surely whoeva made this video must know something...And the neighbor has a WHITE truck !!!
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Calypso wrote:Since Kaine and Desiree went before the GJ they havent spoken out publically per the GJ instructions.
I wonder how difficult this has been for them.
Excellent. Somebody finally shut them up. kh
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Terri arrives at Divorce Court video 8-25-10
Terri arrives at court:
http://www.kgw.com/video?id=101509819&sec=547977
http://www.kgw.com/video?id=101509819&sec=547977
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Horman came up through a back elevator and stoically walked past TV cameras, news photographers, and reporters to a fifth-floor courtroom for a scheduled 3 p.m. divorce-related hearing before Judge Keith Meisenheimer. She and her lawyers were escorted by three Multnomah County sheriff's deputies to the courtroom.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_appears_i.html
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Calypso's video...
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Terri Moulton Horman, focus in stepson Kyron Horman's disappearance, shows for divorce hearing
Published: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 2:40 PM
Updated: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:29 PM
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Bunch has argued in earlier motions that it would be impossible to proceed with divorce-related issues considering the ongoing criminal investigation into the disappearance of Kaine Horman’s son, 7-year-old Kyron, and the “intense scrutiny and speculation” into his client.
But Kaine Horman’s lawyer, Laura Rackner, has countered that Terri Horman is stalling to “avoid possible self-incrimination” in the ongoing law enforcement inquiry into Kyron’s disappearance.
Read more: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_appears_i.html
Published: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 2:40 PM
Updated: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:29 PM
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Bunch has argued in earlier motions that it would be impossible to proceed with divorce-related issues considering the ongoing criminal investigation into the disappearance of Kaine Horman’s son, 7-year-old Kyron, and the “intense scrutiny and speculation” into his client.
But Kaine Horman’s lawyer, Laura Rackner, has countered that Terri Horman is stalling to “avoid possible self-incrimination” in the ongoing law enforcement inquiry into Kyron’s disappearance.
Read more: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_moulton_horman_appears_i.html
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That was an odd video about the Horman's neighbor...who took those pics and when was it made? Creepy!
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Okay, the video creeped me out! What the heck is that all about? I couldn't get a great picture on my computer. Anyone see what they were talking about when they mentioned the head?
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No, but I sent the person who made the video a friend request. I want to talk to them.
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(I'm watching something on ebay- be back! ;) )
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b]Terri appears in court; judge rules in favor of Kaine[/b]
Published: 7:48 am
Last Update: 4:14 pm
An artist's rendering of Terri Horman and her defense attorney Stephen Houze Wednesday in court. (KOIN) Terri Horman returned to Portland Wednesday with both her attorneys for a divorce hearing at Multnomah County Court.
Counsel for both Terri and Kaine Horman argued whether divorce abatement and an order to show cause for Terri's lawyer fees should be consolidated into one proceeding.
Kaine's attorney, Laura Rackner, argued two separate proceedings would be an inefficient use of the court's time and resources, and it would also cause Kaine hardship.
"The appearance of $350,000 is significant in comparison to the family's net worth," said Rackner.
Terri's attorney, Peter Bunch, countered that divorce proceedings are involved enough, arguing the abatement and monetary issues separately would only further complicate things.
Bunch also informed the court that the $350,000 figure quoted is
inaccurate.
More at link........
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-appears-in-court-judge-rules-in-favor-of/nViCK_TU30-UdrOlJmu3Fg.cspx
Published: 7:48 am
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An artist's rendering of Terri Horman and her defense attorney Stephen Houze Wednesday in court. (KOIN) Terri Horman returned to Portland Wednesday with both her attorneys for a divorce hearing at Multnomah County Court.
Counsel for both Terri and Kaine Horman argued whether divorce abatement and an order to show cause for Terri's lawyer fees should be consolidated into one proceeding.
Kaine's attorney, Laura Rackner, argued two separate proceedings would be an inefficient use of the court's time and resources, and it would also cause Kaine hardship.
"The appearance of $350,000 is significant in comparison to the family's net worth," said Rackner.
Terri's attorney, Peter Bunch, countered that divorce proceedings are involved enough, arguing the abatement and monetary issues separately would only further complicate things.
Bunch also informed the court that the $350,000 figure quoted is
inaccurate.
More at link........
http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Terri-appears-in-court-judge-rules-in-favor-of/nViCK_TU30-UdrOlJmu3Fg.cspx
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Kaine wasn't even at the hearing........so why did Terri have to be there?
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To make sure her wishes were heard and to find out first hand the outcome....When I divorced #1 he was a "no show"...He had to work!!!! oh, sure...$$$$ before a relationship...If he had just once said I was making a mistake I would have called off the whole thing...
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Right on, Estee. I read an article this afternoon that stated neither Kaine or Terri were required to attend. Kaine decided against attending because it may be emotional. And I can only imagine it would have been for him as well as Terri if he'd have been there. What a mess.......but the question still remains...
WHERE IS KYRON???
WHERE IS KYRON???
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Kyron's Parents Plan Friday News Conference
POSTED: 11:33 am PDT August 26, 2010
UPDATED: 2:47 pm PDT August 26, 2010
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Desiree Young and Kaine Horman plan to update the public on several topics, including Kyron's Wall of Hope at Skyline School, a Sept. 1 fundraiser and Kyron's upcoming birthday.
http://www.kptv.com/news/24772877/detail.html
POSTED: 11:33 am PDT August 26, 2010
UPDATED: 2:47 pm PDT August 26, 2010
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Desiree Young and Kaine Horman plan to update the public on several topics, including Kyron's Wall of Hope at Skyline School, a Sept. 1 fundraiser and Kyron's upcoming birthday.
http://www.kptv.com/news/24772877/detail.html
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Kyron Horman's mother, Desiree Young, says his stepmom Terri Moulton Horman risks jail
Published: Friday, August 27, 2010, 11:54 AM
Updated: Friday, August 27, 2010, 11:55 AM
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Kyron Horman's mother, Desiree Young, had a harsh message today for his stepmother, saying Terri Moulton Horman risks going to jail if she doesn't tell investigators everything she knows.
"Terri, I feel you are at a crossroads in your life," Young said at a news conference in Beaverton. "Police will not stop until they find Kyron. You will go to jail and whoever has been helping you will either have to talk or they will go to jail."
"I believe you will make the right choice to bring Kyron home," she said.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_hormans_parents_plan_fun.html
Published: Friday, August 27, 2010, 11:54 AM
Updated: Friday, August 27, 2010, 11:55 AM
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Kyron Horman's mother, Desiree Young, had a harsh message today for his stepmother, saying Terri Moulton Horman risks going to jail if she doesn't tell investigators everything she knows.
"Terri, I feel you are at a crossroads in your life," Young said at a news conference in Beaverton. "Police will not stop until they find Kyron. You will go to jail and whoever has been helping you will either have to talk or they will go to jail."
"I believe you will make the right choice to bring Kyron home," she said.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kyron_hormans_parents_plan_fun.html
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Desiree made it clear before she read her statement to Terri that LE was not aware of what she was about to say to Terri and they had not reviewed her prepared statement.
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Further interview with Kaine speaking...
http://www.katu.com/home/video/101689553.html
http://www.katu.com/home/video/101689553.html
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Why did I listen to that video? WHY? Those two make me SICK! Grrrr....
What's up with Dez saying "if terri doesn't do the right thing she will go to jail"....Dez thinks Terri is guilty so she's going to jail no matter what, right? Is coming clean with what Dez thinks Terri knows going to keep her out of jail? NUTS! Dez is so phoney, if she could get any phonier I don't know how.
What's up with Dez saying "if terri doesn't do the right thing she will go to jail"....Dez thinks Terri is guilty so she's going to jail no matter what, right? Is coming clean with what Dez thinks Terri knows going to keep her out of jail? NUTS! Dez is so phoney, if she could get any phonier I don't know how.
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What has Desiree been told to make her so certain that Terri has stashed Kyron? In other cases, LE doesn't give a parent all of their information during an investigation. I remember when Somer Thompson's mom was being interviewed before the suspect was announced, she stated they hadn't told her anything. If LE has convinced her Kyron has been stashed are they setting them up for false hopes if this is not the case? This is one of the strangest cases. As much as I want to see Kyron come home alive, I just don't see him being stashed anywhere. How many people would involve themselves to that extent? It's just highly unlikely, IMO.
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Another forum I was reading over had someone who swore the police tell the families everything. This person claimed to be in law enforcement. They were stating LE would tell the family everything if they knew they were not involved.
I stated it didn't make sense to tell the family everything because they could screw up the investigation if they went public or sought revenge or anything. It just made them angry at me and others supported their statements by saying I was "crazy" and such because I challenged someone who claimed to be LE.
Do any of you think LE would tell the family the details of all the evidence and suspicions without a trial, or even an arrest?
I stated it didn't make sense to tell the family everything because they could screw up the investigation if they went public or sought revenge or anything. It just made them angry at me and others supported their statements by saying I was "crazy" and such because I challenged someone who claimed to be LE.
Do any of you think LE would tell the family the details of all the evidence and suspicions without a trial, or even an arrest?
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No. I've heard of many cases where the family was kept in the dark on the details. I've even heard of autopsy results being withheld from family members in at least one case where an arrest hadn't been made.Maat wrote:Do any of you think LE would tell the family the details of all the evidence and suspicions without a trial, or even an arrest?
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