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The Body Farm/Oak Ridge National Lab
FYI..... the defense will be in Tennessee this week doing depositions of some of the scientists/experts from the Body Farm.... unless they cancel them AGAIN.
September 21, 2010
Michael N. Burnett - Oak Ridge Lab
David C. Glasgow - Oak Ridge Lab
Madhavi Z. Martin - Oak Ridge Lab
Mark Wise - Oak Ridge Lab
Central Florida News 13 takes us inside the Body Farm
posted by halboedeker on September, 19 2010 6:21 PM
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Tonight, the channel promoted the report and highlighted that the case has moved to the so-called Body Farm, which received samples from Casey Anthony’s car trunk. Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.
Anthony’s attorneys want to know more about tests done at the Body Farm in Tennessee, and that’s why the Central Florida News 13 report could be of great interest.
Read more: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/09/casey-anthony-central-florida-news-13-takes-us-inside-the-body-farm.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+entertainment%2Ftv%2Ftvguy+%28TV+Guy%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
September 21, 2010
Michael N. Burnett - Oak Ridge Lab
David C. Glasgow - Oak Ridge Lab
Madhavi Z. Martin - Oak Ridge Lab
Mark Wise - Oak Ridge Lab
Central Florida News 13 takes us inside the Body Farm
posted by halboedeker on September, 19 2010 6:21 PM
~ Snipped ~
Tonight, the channel promoted the report and highlighted that the case has moved to the so-called Body Farm, which received samples from Casey Anthony’s car trunk. Anthony is charged with first-degree murder in the death of her daughter, Caylee.
Anthony’s attorneys want to know more about tests done at the Body Farm in Tennessee, and that’s why the Central Florida News 13 report could be of great interest.
Read more: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2010/09/casey-anthony-central-florida-news-13-takes-us-inside-the-body-farm.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+entertainment%2Ftv%2Ftvguy+%28TV+Guy%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
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'Body Farm' a key battle in Anthony case
By Adam Longo, Reporter
Last Updated: Monday, September 20, 2010 6:14 PM
Joe Heffner at the body farm
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. -- Joe Heffner leads few tours of the infamous "Body Farm."
"This is an impression left behind by a body," Heffner points out casually.
Scientists at the Body Farm put together a 41-page report for investigators on the Casey Anthony case.
They tested carpet and odor samples from the trunk of Anthony's car and ultimately concluded that, "a portion of the total odor signature identified in the Florida vehicle trunk is consistent with an early decompositional event that could be of human origin."
Read more:
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/september/152901/Body-Farm-a-key-battle-in-Anthony-defense
By Adam Longo, Reporter
Last Updated: Monday, September 20, 2010 6:14 PM
Joe Heffner at the body farm
KNOXVILLE, Tenn. -- Joe Heffner leads few tours of the infamous "Body Farm."
"This is an impression left behind by a body," Heffner points out casually.
Scientists at the Body Farm put together a 41-page report for investigators on the Casey Anthony case.
They tested carpet and odor samples from the trunk of Anthony's car and ultimately concluded that, "a portion of the total odor signature identified in the Florida vehicle trunk is consistent with an early decompositional event that could be of human origin."
Read more:
http://www.cfnews13.com/article/news/2010/september/152901/Body-Farm-a-key-battle-in-Anthony-defense
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I don't give a rat's a$$ about how much Bozo and Co. dispute the Body Farm's procedures or the outcome of their testing...I feel positive that the Jury will see through KC's demeanor and postponement of her calling LE and consider all her lies and come to a Guilty as Charged conclusion...
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Estee, I couldn't have said it any better!
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Concerning the “Junk Science” Argument against Vass’s Work
Posted on September 21st, 2010 by Valhall
Considering the defense team has taken on a new mantra of junk science and Cheney Mason has blathered out some nonsensical statement that basically reduces to if you call it junk science then it is….I felt this needed to be re-ran.
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Original article posted on June 2, 2010
Yesterday’s hearing was like a whole a lot of cold leftover stew with just a bit of meat remaining. The majority of the hearing can best be described using Judge Perry’s words…it was one attempt after another by the defense to get a “second bite of the apple” as they attempted to get motions previously ruled on by Judge Strickland ruled on again by Judge Perry. Unless I missed something by dozing off in between the bumbling and stuttering, I believe Judge Perry denied the motion for reconsideration on each of the motions heard.
So let’s get to what may have been the only meat in the matter, and that is the argument presented by Baez that is actually one of the first presentations toward the defense’s only strategy that has hope of making progress – the attack on the forensic science in the case. Baez argued for the Supplemental Motion to Compel filed by Lindy Kenny Baden on May 18th. This motion is one in a list of several Baden has filed attempting to get everything from funding sources to bench notes to CV’s and to infinity concerning ORNL (Oak Ridge National Laboratory) where Dr. Vass works, as well as the FBI laboratory. In this latest motion Ms. Baden included via references all the other previous motions she has filed with the long lists of information she wants.
To be clear on what Ms. Baden is up to, this is, in fact, a phishing expedition. She is attempting to gather information on both of these institutes, where their money comes from, the people working there, and the processes employed connected with the Casey Anthony case to find any weak link she can exploit in court to cast doubt in the jurors’ minds about the veracity of the results coming from either or both sources. Her goal is to attack either with gusto or tenuous arguments, depending on what she can dig up in these phishing activities, any point she can make in front of the jury in order to make those jurors doubt, in some manner, the science being presented to them.
I was amazed that Baden was not there to argue this motion, but left it to Baez for presentation.
So let’s look at what Baez bobble-headed his way through in this particular argument. As has been heard several times in the past almost 2 years, the discussion turned to whether the work performed by ORNL, specifically by Dr. Arpad Vass, concerning detection of decompositional gases as well as the analysis of the gases present as a means to estimate PMI, would require a Frye hearing. In this argument Baez also held up a publication by The National Science Academy which was a Congressionally commissioned work entitled Strengthening Forensic Science in the United States: A Path Forward. When Baez held this publication up he stated they had included it as an addendum to their motion because its finding pointed to the problems in modern forensic science and what needed to be corrected.
In order to give any real review of the merit of Baez’s (or maybe it was Baden’s via Baez) argument, I was behooved to purchase this publication and give it a long night of getting through the relevant portions of the publication (the entire work being over 300 pages, and no – I did not read ALL of it, just the parts that were material to the subject). So after reading the applicable portions of this report, I will now give my interpretation as to whether the defense’s argument was a hit or miss.
The CliffsNotes version is: Miss. ( Just in case you don’t want to stick with me for the full version.)
In Baez/Baden’s argument yesterday Baez stated that the report found that one area of modern forensic science that needed to be corrected was the need for “peer review”. And this statement is correct, but let’s take it in context. The report actually states:
BUT WAIT! Let’s put in context. This statement is made during an argument against SUBJECTIVE and INTERPRETATIVE methods of forensics. In fact, within the same paragraph it is stated:
It is important to point out at this time that Dr. Vass’s work is analytically based and supported by data and correlations built off that data and is virtually devoid of subjective interpretation! It should be pointed out that the statement pulled from within this context by the “Baden-channeling-Baez” entity actually carried a footnote! And that footnote states:
In the misapplication of this statement by the defense we would have to carry it forward and basically state that FINGERPRINTING IS JUNK SCIENCE! But that is not what the paper is stating, nor is it what the footnote is stating. Look at what the footnote says “VALIDATION OF FINGERPRINT IDENTIFICATION METHODS” and the methods in question are SUBJECTIVE, INTERPRETATIVE measures by individuals – not DATA BASED INTERPRETATIONS! Dr. Vass’s decompositional database and his methodology of estimating PMI is based on almost TWO DECADES of gathering empirical data and constructing correlations. In layman’s terms…Dr. Vass didn’t “follow his nose” and say I think it smells like 2.6 days worth of death, he TESTED the air and ran the results through a database that has STOOD THE TEST OF TIME at this point.
Now, let’s turn to the oft-referenced “Frye test” in this case. The National Science Academy’s report actually touches on this matter. In the report they reference the Daubert case which was a 1993 Supreme Court Ruling in the case Daubert v. Merrell Pharmaceuticals, Inc. The Supreme Courts ruling was as follows:
The report goes on to list the criteria under which forensic evidence should be vetted by the trial judge:
Read more: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/09/21/concerning-the-junk-science-argument-against-vasss-work/
Posted on September 21st, 2010 by Valhall
Considering the defense team has taken on a new mantra of junk science and Cheney Mason has blathered out some nonsensical statement that basically reduces to if you call it junk science then it is….I felt this needed to be re-ran.
________________________________
Original article posted on June 2, 2010
Yesterday’s hearing was like a whole a lot of cold leftover stew with just a bit of meat remaining. The majority of the hearing can best be described using Judge Perry’s words…it was one attempt after another by the defense to get a “second bite of the apple” as they attempted to get motions previously ruled on by Judge Strickland ruled on again by Judge Perry. Unless I missed something by dozing off in between the bumbling and stuttering, I believe Judge Perry denied the motion for reconsideration on each of the motions heard.
So let’s get to what may have been the only meat in the matter, and that is the argument presented by Baez that is actually one of the first presentations toward the defense’s only strategy that has hope of making progress – the attack on the forensic science in the case. Baez argued for the Supplemental Motion to Compel filed by Lindy Kenny Baden on May 18th. This motion is one in a list of several Baden has filed attempting to get everything from funding sources to bench notes to CV’s and to infinity concerning ORNL (Oak Ridge National Laboratory) where Dr. Vass works, as well as the FBI laboratory. In this latest motion Ms. Baden included via references all the other previous motions she has filed with the long lists of information she wants.
To be clear on what Ms. Baden is up to, this is, in fact, a phishing expedition. She is attempting to gather information on both of these institutes, where their money comes from, the people working there, and the processes employed connected with the Casey Anthony case to find any weak link she can exploit in court to cast doubt in the jurors’ minds about the veracity of the results coming from either or both sources. Her goal is to attack either with gusto or tenuous arguments, depending on what she can dig up in these phishing activities, any point she can make in front of the jury in order to make those jurors doubt, in some manner, the science being presented to them.
I was amazed that Baden was not there to argue this motion, but left it to Baez for presentation.
So let’s look at what Baez bobble-headed his way through in this particular argument. As has been heard several times in the past almost 2 years, the discussion turned to whether the work performed by ORNL, specifically by Dr. Arpad Vass, concerning detection of decompositional gases as well as the analysis of the gases present as a means to estimate PMI, would require a Frye hearing. In this argument Baez also held up a publication by The National Science Academy which was a Congressionally commissioned work entitled Strengthening Forensic Science in the United States: A Path Forward. When Baez held this publication up he stated they had included it as an addendum to their motion because its finding pointed to the problems in modern forensic science and what needed to be corrected.
In order to give any real review of the merit of Baez’s (or maybe it was Baden’s via Baez) argument, I was behooved to purchase this publication and give it a long night of getting through the relevant portions of the publication (the entire work being over 300 pages, and no – I did not read ALL of it, just the parts that were material to the subject). So after reading the applicable portions of this report, I will now give my interpretation as to whether the defense’s argument was a hit or miss.
The CliffsNotes version is: Miss. ( Just in case you don’t want to stick with me for the full version.)
In Baez/Baden’s argument yesterday Baez stated that the report found that one area of modern forensic science that needed to be corrected was the need for “peer review”. And this statement is correct, but let’s take it in context. The report actually states:
Although research has been done in some disciplines, there is a notable dearth of peer-reviewed, published studied establishing the scientific bases and validity of many forensic methods.
BUT WAIT! Let’s put in context. This statement is made during an argument against SUBJECTIVE and INTERPRETATIVE methods of forensics. In fact, within the same paragraph it is stated:
Often in criminal prosecutions and civil litigation, forensic evidence is offered to support conclusions about “individualization” (sometimes referred to as “matching” a specimen to a particular individual or other source) or about classification of the source of the specimen into one of several categories. With the exception of nuclear DNA analysis, however, no forensic method has been rigorously shown to have the capacity to consistently, and with a high degree of certainty, demonstrate a connection
between evidence and a specific individual or source. In terms of scientific basis, the analytically based disciplines generally hold a notable edge over disciplines based on expert interpretation. But there are important variations among the disciplines relying on expert interpretation. For example, there are more established protocols and available research for fingerprint analysis than for the analysis of bite marks. There also are significant variations within each discipline. For example, not all fingerprint evidence is equally good, because the true value of the evidence is determined by the quality of the latent fingerprint image.
It is important to point out at this time that Dr. Vass’s work is analytically based and supported by data and correlations built off that data and is virtually devoid of subjective interpretation! It should be pointed out that the statement pulled from within this context by the “Baden-channeling-Baez” entity actually carried a footnote! And that footnote states:
Several articles, for example, have noted the lack of scientific validation of fingerprint identification methods.
In the misapplication of this statement by the defense we would have to carry it forward and basically state that FINGERPRINTING IS JUNK SCIENCE! But that is not what the paper is stating, nor is it what the footnote is stating. Look at what the footnote says “VALIDATION OF FINGERPRINT IDENTIFICATION METHODS” and the methods in question are SUBJECTIVE, INTERPRETATIVE measures by individuals – not DATA BASED INTERPRETATIONS! Dr. Vass’s decompositional database and his methodology of estimating PMI is based on almost TWO DECADES of gathering empirical data and constructing correlations. In layman’s terms…Dr. Vass didn’t “follow his nose” and say I think it smells like 2.6 days worth of death, he TESTED the air and ran the results through a database that has STOOD THE TEST OF TIME at this point.
Now, let’s turn to the oft-referenced “Frye test” in this case. The National Science Academy’s report actually touches on this matter. In the report they reference the Daubert case which was a 1993 Supreme Court Ruling in the case Daubert v. Merrell Pharmaceuticals, Inc. The Supreme Courts ruling was as follows:
…a trial judge must ensure that any and all scientific testimony or evidence admitted is not only relevant, but reliable.” The Court indicatedthat the subject of an expert’s testimony should be scientific knowledge, so that “evidentiary reliability will be based upon scientific validity.” The Court also emphasized that, in considering the admissibility of evidence, a trial judge should focus “solely” on the expert’s “principles and methodology,” and “not on the conclusions that they generate.” In sum, Daubert’s requirement that an expert’s testimony pertain to “scientific knowledge” established a standard of “evidentiary reliability.”
The report goes on to list the criteria under which forensic evidence should be vetted by the trial judge:
In explaining this evidentiary standard, the Daubert Court pointed to several factors that might be considered by a trial judge: (1) whether a theory or technique can be (and has been) tested; (2) whether the theory or technique has been subjected to peer review and publication; (3) the known or potential rate of error of a particular scientific technique; (4) the existence and maintenance of standards controlling the technique’s operation; and (5) a scientific technique’s degree of acceptance within a relevant scientific community.14 In the end, however, the Court emphasized that the inquiry under Rule 702 is “a flexible one.” The Court expressed confidence
in the adversarial system, noting that “[v]igorous cross-examination, presentation of contrary evidence, and careful instruction on the burden of proof are the traditional and appropriate means of attacking shaky but admissible evidence.” The Supreme Court has made it clear that trial judges have great discretion in deciding on the admissibility of evidence under Rule 702, and that appeals from Daubert rulings are subject to a very narrow abuse-of-discretion standard of review. Most importantly,
in Kumho Tire Co., Ltd. v. Carmichael, the Court stated that “whether Daubert’s specific factors are, or are not, reasonable measures of reliability in a particular case is a matter that the law grants the trial judge broad latitude to determine.”
Read more: http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/09/21/concerning-the-junk-science-argument-against-vasss-work/
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Air science could be used for first time ever in Anthony case
By Anthony Colarossi, Orlando Sentinel
8:45 p.m. EDT, October 8, 2010
The science resembles something you might expect to see on television's "CSI": odor and air samples originating from the trunk of a vehicle being used to prove a child's body decomposed inside.
But life, death, science and the unsavory business of prosecuting child slayings are rarely as clear-cut as they are portrayed on television. Nothing about the advanced testing on Casey Anthony's Pontiac Sunfire provides a conclusive answer about whether her 2-year-old daughter Caylee Marie's lifeless body was in that vehicle.
But the testing done in this case by a group of scientists in Tennessee shows an emerging science that could be used in a courtroom for the first time ever in the case against Casey Anthony.
The science identifies the chemical compounds associated with the decomposition of human bodies. The researchers from Oak Ridge National Laboratory, led by Dr. Arpad Vass, expressed caution in their final, 18-page, April 2009 forensic report to Orange County detectives. Their battery of tests produced "correlations" indicating "a portion of the total odor signature identified in [Anthony's Pontiac] is consistent with an early decompositional event that could be of human origin."
In other words, a dead and newly decomposing human body may have been in the trunk.
'Junk science'?
Vass and his colleagues are important witnesses in this case and would not comment for this story, but the odor-analysis work is spelled out in great technical detail in their report and earlier published articles on decomposing buried human remains.
The same elements that make this evidence novel and perhaps groundbreaking also make it potentially vulnerable to legal challenges aimed at keeping it out of Anthony's trial in May. This evidence has never been used before in a U.S. court of law, according to those most familiar with the case.
Last month, Casey Anthony's defense team recruited Dorothy Clay Sims, an Ocala attorney specializing in cross-examinations of medical-expert witnesses. She has vowed to attack any "junk science" brought into this case, especially science lacking established standards and error rates. A hearing on whether the evidence should be admitted is expected to come as the trial date nears.
Dr. Thomas Bruno, with the National Institute of Standards and Technology in Boulder, Colo., is familiar with Vass' work, has done somewhat similar research involving decomposing rats and has read the report in the Casey Anthony case.
"I certainly don't think what he's doing is junk science," Bruno said. "But it might not be ready for the courtroom yet."
Ultimately, that will be an issue for the lawyers to argue and for Chief Judge Belvin Perry to decide.
In a case now brimming with legal brainpower, the prosecution may have an interesting advantage here: Jeff Ashton. The veteran assistant state attorney helped successfully get DNA findings introduced in a 1987 Orange County rape case.
It was the first time that evidence was ever presented in a U.S. courtroom. Introducing the evidence here all those years ago brought national media attention and, ultimately, broad awareness of a science now used to prove guilt and also exonerate those wrongly accused.
"We realized how amazing this tool would be in solving cases," Ashton said.
Read more: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-air-science-20101008,0,1998175,full.story
By Anthony Colarossi, Orlando Sentinel
8:45 p.m. EDT, October 8, 2010
The science resembles something you might expect to see on television's "CSI": odor and air samples originating from the trunk of a vehicle being used to prove a child's body decomposed inside.
But life, death, science and the unsavory business of prosecuting child slayings are rarely as clear-cut as they are portrayed on television. Nothing about the advanced testing on Casey Anthony's Pontiac Sunfire provides a conclusive answer about whether her 2-year-old daughter Caylee Marie's lifeless body was in that vehicle.
But the testing done in this case by a group of scientists in Tennessee shows an emerging science that could be used in a courtroom for the first time ever in the case against Casey Anthony.
The science identifies the chemical compounds associated with the decomposition of human bodies. The researchers from Oak Ridge National Laboratory, led by Dr. Arpad Vass, expressed caution in their final, 18-page, April 2009 forensic report to Orange County detectives. Their battery of tests produced "correlations" indicating "a portion of the total odor signature identified in [Anthony's Pontiac] is consistent with an early decompositional event that could be of human origin."
In other words, a dead and newly decomposing human body may have been in the trunk.
'Junk science'?
Vass and his colleagues are important witnesses in this case and would not comment for this story, but the odor-analysis work is spelled out in great technical detail in their report and earlier published articles on decomposing buried human remains.
The same elements that make this evidence novel and perhaps groundbreaking also make it potentially vulnerable to legal challenges aimed at keeping it out of Anthony's trial in May. This evidence has never been used before in a U.S. court of law, according to those most familiar with the case.
Last month, Casey Anthony's defense team recruited Dorothy Clay Sims, an Ocala attorney specializing in cross-examinations of medical-expert witnesses. She has vowed to attack any "junk science" brought into this case, especially science lacking established standards and error rates. A hearing on whether the evidence should be admitted is expected to come as the trial date nears.
Dr. Thomas Bruno, with the National Institute of Standards and Technology in Boulder, Colo., is familiar with Vass' work, has done somewhat similar research involving decomposing rats and has read the report in the Casey Anthony case.
"I certainly don't think what he's doing is junk science," Bruno said. "But it might not be ready for the courtroom yet."
Ultimately, that will be an issue for the lawyers to argue and for Chief Judge Belvin Perry to decide.
In a case now brimming with legal brainpower, the prosecution may have an interesting advantage here: Jeff Ashton. The veteran assistant state attorney helped successfully get DNA findings introduced in a 1987 Orange County rape case.
It was the first time that evidence was ever presented in a U.S. courtroom. Introducing the evidence here all those years ago brought national media attention and, ultimately, broad awareness of a science now used to prove guilt and also exonerate those wrongly accused.
"We realized how amazing this tool would be in solving cases," Ashton said.
Read more: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-casey-anthony-air-science-20101008,0,1998175,full.story
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Bugs, Smell Of Death Key To Casey Anthony Prosecutors
Forensic Entomologist To Testify At Anthony Murder Trial Next Year
UPDATED: 1:19 am EST November 18, 2010
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Next year, he'll take the stand for the prosecution in Casey Anthony's murder trial.
In a 30-page report that's key to the state's claims, he noted that microscopic scuttle flies, or "coffin flies" as he refers to them, were feeding on decompositional fluids in the trunk of Anthony's car as well as paper towels that may have been used to clean the vehicle.
PHOTOS: Haskell's Specimens And More
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"They're not there accidentally," Haskell said during a recent visit from WESH 2's Bob Kealing. "They're coming there for that specific smell."
According to Haskell, the tenacious insects have been known to burrow six feet into the ground or through cracks in concrete in search of one thing -- the smell of a decomposing body.
"When they're going through all these barriers, over and around and down, they're being attracted to the smell of decomposition," he said.
Haskell inspected the trunk of Anthony's car in December 2008, six months after the prosecution claims Caylee Anthony's body was inside.
In his report, he noted that a "strong decompositional odor was still present" in the trunk.
Haskell says he's smelled decomposition thousands of times and he wouldn't mistake the familiar odor for anything else.
Orlando criminal defense attorney Richard Hornsby, who is not affiliated with the Anthony case, says the flies identified by Haskell provide a scientific basis for prosecutors to argue that Anthony was driving around with her daughter's corpse in the car.
"There's little doubt this is going to be compelling evidence for the jury," he believes.
Read more: http://www.wesh.com/r/25828004/detail.html
Forensic Entomologist To Testify At Anthony Murder Trial Next Year
UPDATED: 1:19 am EST November 18, 2010
~ Snipped ~
Next year, he'll take the stand for the prosecution in Casey Anthony's murder trial.
In a 30-page report that's key to the state's claims, he noted that microscopic scuttle flies, or "coffin flies" as he refers to them, were feeding on decompositional fluids in the trunk of Anthony's car as well as paper towels that may have been used to clean the vehicle.
PHOTOS: Haskell's Specimens And More
Casey Anthony Special Section
"They're not there accidentally," Haskell said during a recent visit from WESH 2's Bob Kealing. "They're coming there for that specific smell."
According to Haskell, the tenacious insects have been known to burrow six feet into the ground or through cracks in concrete in search of one thing -- the smell of a decomposing body.
"When they're going through all these barriers, over and around and down, they're being attracted to the smell of decomposition," he said.
Haskell inspected the trunk of Anthony's car in December 2008, six months after the prosecution claims Caylee Anthony's body was inside.
In his report, he noted that a "strong decompositional odor was still present" in the trunk.
Haskell says he's smelled decomposition thousands of times and he wouldn't mistake the familiar odor for anything else.
Orlando criminal defense attorney Richard Hornsby, who is not affiliated with the Anthony case, says the flies identified by Haskell provide a scientific basis for prosecutors to argue that Anthony was driving around with her daughter's corpse in the car.
"There's little doubt this is going to be compelling evidence for the jury," he believes.
Read more: http://www.wesh.com/r/25828004/detail.html
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Photos: WESH Visits Prosecution Expert In Anthony Case
Forensic Entomologist To Testify At Anthony Murder Trial Next Year
November 17, 2010
WESH visits a forensic entomologist in Indiana who will testify for the prosecution in the case against Casey Anthony.
Slideshow: http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/25829379/detail.html
Forensic Entomologist To Testify At Anthony Murder Trial Next Year
November 17, 2010
WESH visits a forensic entomologist in Indiana who will testify for the prosecution in the case against Casey Anthony.
Slideshow: http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/25829379/detail.html
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The nose knows!!! IMO Team Casey will have a hard time debunking Mr Haskell's testimony...and from what I've heard the flies can be tested to find out what they have ingested...If that is so couldn't there be some way they can link that directly to Caylee???
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Defense: No 'Coffin Flies' In Casey's Trunk
Trial Could Pit Bug Experts Against One Another
UPDATED: 6:31 pm EST November 18, 2010
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Haskell said in his report for the Anthony investigation that the presence of so-called coffin flies and a lack of other insects indicated that a body in the later stages of decomposition had been in Anthony's trunk.
"Sometimes the absence of insects can be just as important as the presence," he told WESH 2 News.
Anthony defense attorney Cheney Mason said the defense disagrees with the finding. Mason said defense experts claim there were no coffin flies in the trunk at all.
Haskell has studied entomology for more than 50 years and teaches students at Saint Joseph's College in Indiana. He teaches a formula that uses temperature and environment to predict a window of time when someone died.
"It's totally reliable," he said.
Haskell said he trained the defense team's entomologist, Dr. Tim Huntington, which could set up a potential trial showdown between teacher and student.
Read more: http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/25843813/detail.html
Trial Could Pit Bug Experts Against One Another
UPDATED: 6:31 pm EST November 18, 2010
~Snipped~
Haskell said in his report for the Anthony investigation that the presence of so-called coffin flies and a lack of other insects indicated that a body in the later stages of decomposition had been in Anthony's trunk.
"Sometimes the absence of insects can be just as important as the presence," he told WESH 2 News.
Anthony defense attorney Cheney Mason said the defense disagrees with the finding. Mason said defense experts claim there were no coffin flies in the trunk at all.
Haskell has studied entomology for more than 50 years and teaches students at Saint Joseph's College in Indiana. He teaches a formula that uses temperature and environment to predict a window of time when someone died.
"It's totally reliable," he said.
Haskell said he trained the defense team's entomologist, Dr. Tim Huntington, which could set up a potential trial showdown between teacher and student.
Read more: http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/25843813/detail.html
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Re: The Body Farm/Oak Ridge National Lab
Would coffin flies still be in that trunk 2-1/2 years later? I could understand Haskell finding them when he inspected the trunk, but if Huntington just inspected it recently, would he still be able to find them?
It seems to me the experts are going to testify for the team that is paying them. I think the jury will go along with Haskell, since he has been in this much longer than Huntington and was actually Huntington's teacher.
It seems to me the experts are going to testify for the team that is paying them. I think the jury will go along with Haskell, since he has been in this much longer than Huntington and was actually Huntington's teacher.
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Who to believe - 'Chinny" Mason, or the highly-regarded expert entomologist Neal Haskell? Has to be Haskell, hands down. An honest man in a gruesome profession, but he speaks for the dead.
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So you think Mason is just saying that, not his expert? Do you think Bozo's expert will disagree with Haskell just because they are paying him?
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mama ~ This defense team always seems to find "experts" who will testify against the prosecution's experts. Sometimes "money" talks, but I am hoping that "Truth" will have the loudest more believable voice.
I think that some of these defense "experts" may back out and be unwilling to risk their reputation for a smile from the killer Casey.
I think that some of these defense "experts" may back out and be unwilling to risk their reputation for a smile from the killer Casey.
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