Unfair trial!!!

Everyone I know can absolutely see that this trial is completely unfair and one sided.
It is black and white that Judge Paerry is on the prosecution's side. Ashton gets argumentive and baggers the witnesses of the defense. He will not let them say thier side or opinion. Ashton had all weekend to get depositions from the defenses witnesses. Biaz has been considerably decent all through this trial. His demeanor has remained the same everyday no matter what the prosecution has said and done, but Ashton has been angry and huge attitude through out this whole case.
Someones life is at stake. This not a game with her life. The media has ruined everything about this case. Guilty until proven innocent. This whole world is unfair and full of satan. It is clear that the demons are in the court room. Come on America, what ever happened to the CONSTITUTION? There is no rights of the people anymore. This trial is a 3 ring circus, using Casey's life, family and her daughter. I always thought that there would never be a fair trial because of Nancy Grace and all media. The Orange County Sheriff's dept. should have kept as much of this case quiet until trial, but NO. Since Casey played games with them, it embarrassed them and they let the media in on everything that was going on. The jailhouse tapes should have never made it to the news or media. There is no way in hell that you can pick a jury 100 miles away and get somebody that hasn't been exposed to all this speculation. We all know Casey knew her daughter was dead, but give me a break. They didn't look for all the evidence, only what they could pin directly on her. Now, they are jumbling all the defenses witnesses out of order and this is not fair! What is the matter with all these people? VERY UNFAIR! NO matter who is guilty or not!! The judge is not FAIR! Any judge that was once a prosecution lawyer does not make a good Judge, unbiased.
Would you want Nancy Grace to defend you? No way. Same here. Judges have to be fair on both sides. I wish I could send this email to every media person doing this trial. Either give an aquittal or there will be an appeal for sure.

Just about everyone has their take on this trial and you are certainly entitled to your opinon and should be respected as such...I believe Mr. Baez bit off more than he could chew...He certainly is not a "seasoned" lawyer and he really has his hands full...IMO Judge Perry has been patient with both sides and more than lenient with the defense...He has given the defense several "heads up" to assist the representation of their client...The name calling is uncalled for and I don't blame him for being perturbed...Todays knockdown was not something anyone can be proud of...In a way we all knew it was coming, sooner or later...I would hate to have to see this trial being a ReDo...The State of Florida has spent more than its share on this defense and to think that it would have to spend even more is unfathomable...Be as it may, we all want Justice for a darling little girl that barely had time to experience life...Her mother led her life the way she wanted and now it is up to the State of Florida...

I understand your point. I can't believe Chaney has not been over all the paperwork since he wanted to be involved. To make sure everything was done properly. I know Baez is unseasoned, but that's were all the attorney's should come in and know how they are going to try the case. We all want justice for little Caylee, but just what if it was an accident? and a cover up? I doesn't all make sense, but if the defense doesn't get thier part out. We probably will never know what happened since there's no hard evidence. Just a real shame, that the media got involved, just makes it even harder. Everyone has there own opinion. I have mine. We'll see what happens.

Goldemain, have you been watching the same trial we all have been?

KB, I totally agree with you. You took the words right out of my mouth.

[quote="goldenmain"]Everyone I know can absolutely see that this trial is completely unfair and one sided.

OMG what part of guilty do you not understand? Have you even heard one word of this trial? Casey Anthony is guilty of murder and I pray she gets her due

, but just what if it was an accident? Like Dr. G stated. It is homicide. If it was an accident (which is not possible) why did she have duck tape across her mouth and Nose???????????????????????....An accident to the point of not meaning to give her so much Cloraform, yeah....Oops now what do I do? Well I guess I'll just double bag her and throw her to the animals so they could chew on her body....BUT at least she put a heart sticker on her mouth, That was mighty of her. Please GOD throw her away to the animals now. An eye for an eys.....

JP is doing everything humanly possible to make sure this is a fair trial. It is not his fault the Defense has not/is not playing by the rules nor it is his fault that they are going with a fairy tale excuse and trying to throw everyone (with maybe exception to the Anthony dog) under the bus-and have nothing but Caseys word to back it up with.

She is in the position she is in because of herself. If it was an accident she would of called 911 that day, the moment Caylee was discovered and not ran around for 31 days having the time of her life. If it were an accident she would not have placed that innocent little baby in garbage bags and taped her mouth and nose and dumped her in the woods for bugs and animals to chew on. If it were an accident she would of come clean long ago...but she can't cuz that pesky evidence won't back her claims up no matter what imaginary world she lives in. If she loved that little girl nothing would of stopped her from not allowing "whoever" to take and dispose of her body. If anyone is full of Satan it is her!

The state is doing their job, trying to get justice for Kaylee!

Casey created and wanted a circus...and now she has one. If you want people to believe a story you have to make it believable.

But hey...maybe we are wrong and everyone was out to frame Casey (for whatever reason)....so I am still waiting for the defense to show us some reasonable doubt and when I hear some then maybe I can see this differently. Until then....nadda!

goldenmain wrote:I always thought that there would never be a fair trial because of Nancy Grace and all media. The Orange County Sheriff's dept. should have kept as much of this case quiet until trial, but NO. Since Casey played games with them, it embarrassed them and they let the media in on everything that was going on. The jailhouse tapes should have never made it to the news or media.

It's called the sunshine law, and you can't say the amount of media coverage is unfair when it's members of the Anthonys and the defense team who insist on speaking to the media every chance they get. Judge Perry has been more than fair to the defense considering they've went against court orders and failed to bring their files to court multiple times.

What's not fair is that Caylee Anthony was murdered by her mother and denied the right to live her life.

I don't want to sound that goldenmain is not entitled to concern for the trial, but as has been said, the only reason the state is at this place is that Casey has continuously lied to the police AND everyone. And seriously, if a child goes missing, you CALL the police. If there is an accident you CALL an ambulance and the police. I would like to say this is very complex like the assassination of JFK, but this a sociopathic and narcissistic woman who feeds on attention. Narcissistic people are very charismatic and can fool people really well... until they are caught red handed - and that is what happened to Casey.

Speaking of sociopathic and narcisstic......

Casey Anthony Trial: Psychiatric Clues of an Accused Child Killer


ABC News Consultant Michael Welner, M.D., one of America's top forensic psychiatrists, looks at the evidence raised in the trial of Casey Anthony, the Florida woman accused of murdering her 2-year-old daughter Caylee. As the defense presents its case, what has been truly revealing of the person we think we see?

What evidence presented so far is most significant to you, based upon your experience with mothers who kill children, and why?

The history of Casey Anthony's inactions and actions is even more significant than her words. Stunning enough that this fully socialized woman from a competently-policed area would not report her child missing for a full month. Compounding the evidence of her detachment are her activities during that time. She was lounging aimlessly with her boyfriend, entering a hot body contest, carousing, and engaged in other remarkably unremarkable activities. That Casey was so unaffected, and relegated Caylee's absence to such a low priority, speaks to how detached she was from her missing child.

Read more:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey-anthony-trial-psychological-portrait-accused-child-killer/story?id=13881355

ditto,welcome!

I heart you mama!
Welcome befound and bunnylove58!
Jules, rock on sistafriend!

bunnyluv58 wrote:, but just what if it was an accident? Like Dr. G stated. It is homicide. If it was an accident (which is not possible) why did she have duck tape across her mouth and Nose???????????????????????....An accident to the point of not meaning to give her so much Cloraform, yeah....Oops now what do I do? Well I guess I'll just double bag her and throw her to the animals so they could chew on her body....BUT at least she put a heart sticker on her mouth, That was mighty of her. Please GOD throw her away to the animals now. An eye for an eys.....

Sorry bunnyluv58, I missed your comment. You are a girl (I hope) after my own heart. I feel exactly the same way you do. Or was it an accident in that 'I didn't mean to cover her nose while I was covering her mouth'.

Welcome to RC baby, and you can just call me mama. I adopt all kiddies here.

Unfair my ass.......one sided? You are a fool if you believe that. I'm still laughing.....

Unfair? No. One sided? Not by the judge, but if you are rating the trial based on the performance of the lawyers, it has been one sided with the state dominating. They have dominated this trial from start to finish by presenting witnesses that are credible, and destroying the credibility of defense witnesses during cross-examination. The defense is based on lies and is being totally decimated by the state.

Jose Baez fought against the gag order (and won) that the State made a motion for at the time of Casey's first arrest. That was when the first circus came to town. There have been many.

I think Judge P is doing everything in his power to protect Casey's rights and keep this a clean fight. The State is prepared. The defense is not. That's how I see it anyway.

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If this trial looks unfair to anyone it's because Bozo and Mason are so stupid it seems to upsets the balance of the scales of justice.

JP has his hands full trying to compensate for their lack of preparedness and mind games they play rather than doing their jobs. JP cares more about KC's rights than her nightmare team does. For that matter, the prosecution cares more for KC's rights than her own lohyers do because they don't want this case to go to appeals over some stupid crap bozo does.

In other words, everyone is doing Bozo's job for him....as has been the case for 3 years.

I appreciate everyone's opinions in this case. No one has to be nasty about anyone's opinions, meaning mine. I'm not an idiot, it's clear Casey has alot of mental problems, because of all her actions. I have been watching this case from day one. I am trying to look at things as a juror would. Not by what everyone is saying on tv with the speculators. I can see that Casey's attorney's have screwed up. I also can see that the prosecution and Baez are playing games with each other. Clearly do not like one another.
But I do agree baez bit off more than he can chew. Who else would take the case? I have to say that I didn't watch any part of the selection of getting an attorney for Casey.
Thinking like a juror, I would wonder why Ashton is being so rude to witnesses. They are only up there to speak of thier findings. I would also think what in the hell is going on, why this is all starting to drag on. I know all of you think she is guilty and want her fried, but before I came to that conclusion, if I was an unbiased juror. I would want to hear some kind of rebuttal from the defense. I would want to hear both sides of the case.
I still don't believe that finding a good unbiased jury was possible. This case is now world wide. All I can say is, what a mess this has become and makes me think there is still no way to have a fair trial. Her attorney's should not even be allowed to defend anyone in a capital case. God will judge her and everyone else.

It is his job. Easiest way to put it. It's his job and he is doing an awesome job.

goldenmain wrote:
But I do agree baez bit off more than he can chew. Who else would take the case? I have to say that I didn't watch any part of the selection of getting an attorney for Casey.

KC picked Baez from day one.....that was the only selection of an attorney for her. After she was up on a death penalty case and knew Baez had no experience in that arena, she still wanted him. She found him all by herself, and loves him. He is not appointed/state paid, if that's what you were meaning to suggest.

The prosecutors are morally dubious individuals. They are more interested in "winning" than discovering the truth. They will send an innocent person to jail if it enhances their professional standing as lawyers. They constantly manipulate arguments, and, earlier in the trial, they tried to manipulate the emotions of the jury, which is a cheap tactic.

Ashton is a thug. I can't think of a better word for him.

There is nothing more dubious than a defense attorney who disobeys court orders in an effort to twist the system to his client's advantage when he has no other honest way of helping set her free.

Too many defense attnys these days think it is their right to lie and bend the rules in order to save their sinking ship.

In reality, a defense attny shouldn't have to do that if his client is, in fact, innocent.

Frankly, I think all lawyers are a little bit dubious, it's in their chemisty. However, most all of them are intelligent and can use their smarts to get around the truth.

However, when an atty is as stupid as Bozo, he has nothing to help him get around the truth, so it is very evident to everyone who sees him in action.

Too bad dumdum.

Ok I couldn't have said it better. He is so uneducated to be a Criminal Defense attorney. Actually he makes a fool of himself.
He certainly can't compare to Mr. Ashton

Thank you bunnyluv, and welcome to RC.

you're welcome....

Why is it that a woman was allowed to quote Casey Anthony to say "I'm such a good liar." and yet, Jose Biaz is not allowed to bring any hear-say into evidence? I'm such a good liar was very harmful to Casey, and yet, it is hearsay if I ever heard hear-say. This is but one reason that I have to say that Judge Perry has been catering to the prosecution, and trying to stop the defense whenever he can. Objections have been so tilted--I bet if anyone would go through the entire trial and look at all of the objections, the totals of rulings that favor the prosection is probably between 80-95 percent.

catering to the prosecution? YES because he knows Casey killed Caylee. Very simple. Jose Biaz is a jerk and not fit to represent anyone let alone someone on a murder trial. Maybe a traffic accident and I repeat maybe! Just my opinion.

It is not for us to decide Casey's innocence or guilt. It is the jury's right. Neither is it the judge's job--or right. The rights are under our Constitution to get a fair trial. And a biased judge goes against that right. If someone from your family was on trial, would you not hope that the justice system was fair and balanced?

Objections are not personal just because one side or the other doesn't like what is being said, debwriter...objections are when the legalities of what is being said is in question. A court of law has rules they must follow...Hozay gets more objections than anyone else because he refuses to follow the legal guidelines that ALL must follow...and when he objects to what the prosecution is saying he usually isn't right on legal grounds TO object in the first place. This is why the imbalance when score keeping objections per side. therefore, either Hozay is a complete idiot or he's doing this on purpose to look like one and to make people like you think the trial is unfair.

Obviously, you love Mr Ashton, LottieM. I don't love any tv characters--whether they are fictional characters or reality tv. I do love my family and God. One must also consider the amount of money and resources the state had to try and kill Casey Anthony, vs what Casey had in money in resources to defend herself. She obviously did not have the money to hire the big guns. I still feel it has been tilted toward the state all along.

deb, she had over $200,000 from the sale of Caylee's pictures that she used at first...until Baez used it all up. Then they declared her indigent.

Not to mention she's had plenty of big guns working for her team pro bono...but they all quit like lemmings.

Also not to mention, she could have declared herself indigent in the first place instead of selling Caylee's picture to pay Baez and would have been appointed a death qualified attorney...who would most likely have done a better job for her than Baez...thus, it's not about money...it's about whether a person is a good lawyer or not.

PS...I'm very sorry you restrict your love to God and family.

Another reason why this trial has been so unfair--to let in this "suicide" note.

See, I know two people who committed suicide. Neither of them called everyone on their phone list to tell them good bye. Unfortunately, they just killed themselves...leaving us to wish we had known and had a chance to stop them.

George Anthony, was on an attention getting--boo hoo--feel sorry for me trip. He was acting like a drama king. He is not dead!! Therefore, it was NOT a suicide note--and has no place in the jury's hands as a suicide note--Judge--did you not go to college? Suicide is death. How could this be given to a jury as the suicide note of a live person?

Meantime, the witch hunt continues. Never, should this have been a death sentence case based on all the circumstantial evidence. It's a crime against women by a misogynist society. No I am not stupid enough to think that Casey is 100% innocent--but pre-meditated 1st degree murder with a death sentences is a crime in itself. I've watched this trial every day--they have not proven to me how the child died. And if it was murder--they did not prove to me who did it. I know of many MEN who have murdered--and they do not face the death penalty. Some are even out of jail. Again, the penalty is stiffer for women? Ladies--open your eyes. And start speaking out.

Sorry debwriter, but it was a suicide note, George himself called it a suicide letter. Why? Because he wrote it before he planned to kill himself. He took alot of meds and drank beers hoping it would kill him. Yes, I know, that is the wussy way, but he didn't have the balls to use the gun he purchased, because Cindy had control of them their entire marriage.

Then LE arrived at the motel in time to take him to the hospital, thus foiling his suicide attempt.

We have all the documents that have been released in this case, maybe you should go back and read them. Because you don't seem to know this case at all.

I agree, mama. It was a suicide note...and they come in all forms too...you don't even have to say you are going to kill yourself....a suicide note is the letter you leave behind when you attempt to/or are successful in killing yourself. It could be as simple as FU!

I am very glad Ashton was on this case. He is very sharp and didn't miss a single one of Baez's tricks. He countered them all for Caylee...and he made it a fair trial....and for that I love him.

Lottie, after her comment above, she then started a new thread and stated the exact same thing as she stated above.

In my opinion, the only thing unfair about this trial or Judge Perry was when he didn't allow the prosecution to strike Juror #4.

Keep in mind who brought up George's suicide letter and opened the door for it to be admitted.

I'm going to get rid of the other thread since it says the same thing.

I've been around the block a number of decades. I have seen and heard of many people that cry suicide for attention. Because of George's lame attempt, while calling everyone he could, I can't consider that a true suicide note, and therefore, it should not have been allowed. Also, he was woozy as he was writing, or in other words, he was under the influence. Even more reason not to allow that piece of crap into evidence.

I have only been on this site for one to two days, and have found a lot of rude people that want to shove their unconstitional attitudes down people's throats--as if they personally witnessed the death of Caylee or have spiritual insight into the truth. Is there something wrong with starting a thread on here? Can I go in and delete other people's threads if I don't like them? What are the rules here?

Remember, innocent until proven guilty.

Only the owners of this site can delete threads. And, no there is nothing wrong with starting a thread if there isn't already one posted.

You started a new one and said exactly what you had said in the other thread. Wasted time and wasted space.

Remember, innocent until proven guilty.

You are right, and after hearing and reading all the evidence, KC has been proven guilty.

I think this is the proper thread for your post Deb. I would have merged the one you started with this one, but since you already posted the same exact thing here, I got rid of the other thread. It's redundant and unnecessary to post the same exact thing in multiple threads.

Deb, no matter what you think of George's suicide attempt, it was the defense who opened that door to let it in. You can't blame anyone but the defense for that. Once they open the door the prosecution can do whatever they want with it so long as it follows what the defense opened about it, and the Judge can't stop it...that's the law.

You might be confused because they have to ask the judge...but that's just proper procedure to make sure they have all the right i's dotted and t's crossed as legal procedure goes. If the presented their request and didn't do that, then the judge could deny it...but if they follow the proper procedure he can't. And it is all Baez's fault anyway.

Sitemama-the jury is still out. Unless you have insight into their decision already?? Or, are you on the jury? I think there is a quote that goes something like, "the jury is still out." I'm not trying to be mean here--I just respect people's rights to a fair trial, and being innocent until proven guilty. I really dislike judgmental people. And the world is full of them. There have been a lot of people that have spent years in prison for crimes they did not commit--found guilty on circumstantial evidence. Railroaded by the good ole boy system. So sad!

Deb, no offense, but if you don't like 'judgmental' people then why do you go on boards where people have opinions about cases like this one?

I will say this I learned a long time ago....judging people is not always a bad thing...sometimes judging them can keep you from hanging out with the wrong crowd. Judging as in the form of an educated opinion though...and that's all we do here, we pass carefully formulated opinions which is exactly what the jury will do with this circumstantial case.

You've got 6 posts. You are the judgmental one it seems.

Yeah, maybe I should not be on a site in which a bunch of people sit like armchair quarterbacks and root for someone to be found guilty and injected with a lethal substance. And let's face it--people had her proven guilty before opening arguments began. And no matter what happened during the trial, these witch hunters looked for a way to turn everything toward her guilt.

Yesterday, I got so disgusted, I looked on line for a place where there might be some people that had not yet tried and convicted her, and found this "unfair trial" post. I'm sadly disappointed with the patronizing comments from people, trying to, for example, insinuate that I don't know anything about the case, am not educated, etc. On the contrary, I have been watching this case on Nancy Grace since the very beginning. Nancy Grace sickens me anymore. She, of all people, with her legal background, should know better than to hold an online trial and convict her. And she is probably part of the problem the way she convicted her on her show. Tonight, she declared she wasn't having River Cruz, or whatever she goes by, on her show because she was now doing the tv rounds. On the contrary, she was visibly upset and just wanted her story to be heard--for a glass of water. Grace had her tried and completely discounted.

Grace and the other so-called experts were hyping the pet burials up as proof of her guilt--can anyone see that the tape they are calling the murder weapon might have been the tape on the bag? I thought that was a possibility from the beginning. A lot of people out there do not think for themselves--they let the media folks tell them how it is.

I am an educated woman, and choose to think for myself. Not that my opinion counts, but I do feel that Casey accidentally killed her and had to cover it up. And she should pay for her crimes. But I was never one to say that she intended to murder her child. The difference is a life and death situation. If she is convicted and killed by the state of FL, that blood will not be on my hands on judgment day.

By accident, do you mean overdosing her with something such as Xanax or chloroform? That is death by aggravated child abuse and carries the same penalties as premeditated murder in Florida.

Well IF it was an accident and she had come forward right away maybe she would not be sitting where she is right now. Her actions and lies have made it impossible to believe her story. So, KC has only herself to blame!!! IF it was an accident then perhaps after she is sitting on death row (which I doubt will happen) or serving life or a lessor sentence she will start to understand how important honesty is and that we all have to live with our actions! I doubt it tho!

For the record, I joined here not to long ago and all I have found is nice and caring people. Your talk of what is attempted suicide and what is not...well, just as we were not there when Caylee was killed YOU were not there when George wrote that letter. See, I have also known people who have and who have attempted...there is NO norm for that!

Justice4All, I wasn't there when the little Anthony angel died. Given that the prosecution never proved to me what the child died from or whether she accidentally died or was murdered, I have to give the mother some benefit of the doubt. However, with all the circumstantial evidence produced, she has to be guilty of something. I just can't push that guess all the way to a planned murder with a subsequent death penalty.

While we are all celebrating the Fourth of July, and the freedom it stands for, ponder this--are the people that convicted Casey before she stepped foot in the courtroom any different than the people over in the Arab countries that stone a woman to death on the grounds that she MIGHT HAVE committed adultery, or had a portion of her leg exposed? Maybe a vacation over there to participate in such Neanderthal behavior could help people to understand how important our Constitutional rights are--and respect them more.

Enjoy your freedom weekend, especially the American women, who are not treated fairly around the globe, including the U.S., although it 's not as bad here as in some other countries.