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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 12:27 am

As for Hyma, he defended his decision on the homicide and downplayed the 3-millimeter scar in Eleonora Kaufman’s heart discovered by a defense expert.
Hyma said the young woman’s heart was healthy, and the scar was a healing in a part of the organ that played no role in the woman’s death.
“She had the scar the day before. She had the scar the weeks before. She had the scar months before, most likely,” Hyma said. “She died with it, not because of it.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/21/2810831/miami-dade-chief-medical-examiner.html#storylink=cpy
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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 12:35 am

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state/aventura-victims-mother-takes-the-stand-for-the-2375299.html

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An Aventura woman’s mother testified Thursday that she witnessed her daughter faint at least “10 to 12 times” in the years before she was found collapsed in the bathroom of her home in November 2007

But Aizman took the stand Monday to say that Eleonora Kaufman did indeed suffer from mysterious dizzy spells and “pressure in her chest.”

More than eight years before Kaufman’s death, Aizman said she had already witnessed the fainting spells about a dozen times. At least once, around 2004 when Aizman was living in Denmark, her daughter called to say she had fainted and couldn’t get up.

“I don’t feel my legs and I don’t know what happened,” she recalled Kaufman saying.
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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 12:38 am

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/15/2801110/medical-evidence-introduced-in.html

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Using autopsy photos, Gwin chronicled a litany of injuries to the woman, including bruises and abrasions on her neck, shoulder, elbow, knee and chin, as well as burst blood vessels in her eyes consistent with strangulation. She also had injuries deep inside her throat that only could have come from “significant” pressure to her neck, Gwin told prosecutor Joseph Mansfield.
Her heart was normal and showed no signs of an attack, Gwin said.
On cross examination, defense lawyer Al Milian tried to poke holes in Gwin’s credentials, pointing out that he was a forensic pathologist in training at the time and his investigation failed to find a tiny scar in her heart later uncovered by a defense expert. Milian suggested that burst blood vessels in her eyes could have come from the strain of a heart attack brought on by “severe constipation.”

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Post by tesstruhart Tue May 29, 2012 8:57 am

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/cvplive/cvpstream2#/video/cvplive/cvpstream2

This will be on shortly.
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Post by tesstruhart Tue May 29, 2012 9:29 am

I don't think this investigator has improved with age. He is still less than impressive.
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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 9:48 am

I think he is holding his own with the pros
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Post by tesstruhart Tue May 29, 2012 9:51 am

I am pretty surprised at how often the judge blatantly sides with the prosecution. She overrules the defense almost without listening to the objection.
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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 10:00 am

Yeah I noticed that too...I don't think he could have pulled his car in around her SUV
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Post by tesstruhart Tue May 29, 2012 10:07 am

I agree. This whole thing with the heat of the car is pointing out just what LE didn't do. If they were going to make a point of this, I would think they would have something to back it up. I am liking how Mr. Hill matches the sarcasm of the pros. He finally just says, that's what I think. Then what else can Pros. say? This is better than he started off with today.
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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 10:16 am

lol...different between chipped nails and chipped nail polish. My nail polish is chipped all the time on my right hand!
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Post by tesstruhart Tue May 29, 2012 10:18 am

I think the signs of a struggle or lack thereof in the bathroom is significant.
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Post by tesstruhart Tue May 29, 2012 10:22 am

I wish I lived closer to this trial, I would go. There isn't anybody in there except a few behind Adam.
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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 10:31 am

This is about the weirdest case ever.
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Post by Guest Tue May 29, 2012 11:05 am

why would the Defense want a re-trial? imo, they have done a pretty good job., if, a retrial, they have to try the case again.

Statistics show most are convicted the 2nd time around.

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Post by tesstruhart Tue May 29, 2012 11:06 am

Dr. Marachini.....board certified forensic pathologist...among other things. Certified to testify in numerous areas across country and also Federally.
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Post by tesstruhart Tue May 29, 2012 11:07 am

Art Tart, I think they know the judge will deny, but they are preserving the record for appeal if necessary
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Post by Guest Tue May 29, 2012 11:24 am

tesstruhart wrote:Art Tart, I think they know the judge will deny, but they are preserving the record for appeal if necessary

tesstruhart, I think you are right.

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Post by tesstruhart Tue May 29, 2012 11:30 am

I wonder if this would have shown up in a cardiogram. If so, why didn't the other dr. from plastic surgery see it?
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Post by tesstruhart Tue May 29, 2012 11:32 am

Also, I wonder if he will explain the bruising on her neck.
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Post by tesstruhart Tue May 29, 2012 11:42 am

I think he is a very good teacher and makes things understandable.
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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 11:46 am

KZ,
Dr. Marraccini made his own slides of heart tissue that he knows to be "trouble spots" found "scar" on heart. Postage stamp size of heart taken...."step" section of heart...200 slides made.
He found scar to be 10mm in size (typing as he is talking, excuse punctuation)
Middle of heart, high septal region, supposed to be purple, is pinkish grey. Size is head of thumbtack, not head of pin. Seen without microscope, 3/8 inch, 10mm.
Under microscope scar tissue shows substantial heart disease. Many months old. Damage is in the septum dividing ventricles.
Damn phone call...lol
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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 11:47 am

Can someone take over on the testimony of Dr. M, I am still on the phone
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Post by Guest Tue May 29, 2012 11:56 am

Chickenbutt, I had to take an adderall, I have ADHD, my eyes are glazing over & I'm distracted. LOL!

If Lina had "mayocarditis (sp), why didn't other's find it?

I guess this is going to come down to: which expert do you believe.

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Post by Guest Tue May 29, 2012 12:04 pm

imo, this professional is saying that the COD (cause of death) came down to "process of illimination," the jury may think this is plausible since it took 18 months to get a COD from Dr. Hyma.

imo, this witness is a lot better than Dr. Hyma in that he is explaining to the jury, he is talking to the jury, he seems more passionate about his testimony. Does it make it correct? IDK, am I getting confused? yes~!

Is that the point of his testimony? probably!

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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 12:07 pm

Still on the phone...long winded friend
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Post by suz1729 Tue May 29, 2012 12:11 pm

Witness says marks on necck could be caused by alot of things.First thing he says is ameteur cpr by husband.

Didn't Adam say she had marks on her neck in his 911 call?
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Post by tesstruhart Tue May 29, 2012 12:19 pm

Arrthymia, postural asphyxia...collapsed onto object causing neck compression...

Here comes the injuries explaination...injurys do not indicate homocide...indicates a need to find out what could have caused these injuries. From amateur trying to do CPR, failed attempts of fire rescue, moving victim etc. No ligature marks. Abrasions

Adam averts his eyes...I think he is upset.

Pressure marks present...(not showing on TV) consistent with her left arm coming in contact with magazine rack

a number of marks present could be from grabbing of emt for resciitation.
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Post by Guest Tue May 29, 2012 12:27 pm

suz, glad you joined us this morning. I do think Adam mentioned the marks on the neck on the 911 calls.

tesstruhart, 3 point match? Seems plausible.

It is going to be interestng to see how well the State does on cross on this witness. Thus far, I have been underwhelmed w/the big guy, the female Prosecutor imo, has a better delivery.

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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 12:28 pm

Holy cow....talk, talk, talk....I am off the phone finally.
Will go back to watching now.

Petchiae consistent with sudden cardiac event per Dr. M
Hemorrages to inside her neck.. consistent with face and neck down, ER, EMS attempts to resusitate. Hyoid bone intact.
Thyroid cartilage has horns they are intact. Negative finding does not support homicide.
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Post by Guest Tue May 29, 2012 12:29 pm

which 2 bones were not broken in the neck? I left the room.

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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 12:35 pm

Scattered hemorrages on neck in strap muscles. Hemorrages in thyroid tissue, talking about intubation, cric pressure, moving head around to intubate. Hemo adjacent to structure around voicebox structure, consistent with difficult intubation...hitting the sides. Deep strap muscles, hemo due to traction and manipulation.
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Post by tesstruhart Tue May 29, 2012 12:36 pm

Dr. now explaining how he made measurements from objects in magazine rack to marks on body.

Results are that he can make a 3 point match to magazine rack and magazines. chin, shoulder and left arm.

Says big controversy over her ever being on magazine rack, he says its a match that she was on magazine rack.

He says all marks are consistent with Lina falling on magazine rack, husband doing cpr, emt doing cpr, transport to hospital.

what is petechiae....tiny red marks around or in the eye. Can be caused by sudden cardiac death or asphyxia. Her petechiae is consistent with sudden cardiac event.

hemmorages on internal of neck...consistent with a combination of things..face and neck down on magazine rack, panicked husband doing cpr, rescue doing cpr, face down gravity. Hyoid not fractured, thyroid cartilage has 2 horns that protrude. In homocidal asphyxia the horn is fractured. Not so in this case.

Scattered hemmoraghes in strap muscles, consistent with medical intervention. Failed resusataation, failed intubation manipulating neck to help to get tube down.

Back of voicebox structure with hemmorhage, consistent with failed intubaation attempt.

If you lay a dead body face down, you can create artifacts that weren't there before. (sorry, I don't what artifacts he was talking about)
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Post by KZ Tue May 29, 2012 12:39 pm

Chickenbutt wrote:KZ,
Dr. Marraccini made his own slides of heart tissue that he knows to be "trouble spots" found "scar" on heart. Postage stamp size of heart taken...."step" section of heart...200 slides made.
He found scar to be 10mm in size (typing as he is talking, excuse punctuation)
Middle of heart, high septal region, supposed to be purple, is pinkish grey. Size is head of thumbtack, not head of pin. Seen without microscope, 3/8 inch, 10mm.
Under microscope scar tissue shows substantial heart disease. Many months old. Damage is in the septum dividing ventricles.
Damn phone call...lol

Just popping in on a break. Sounds like what he is theorizing may have happened is complete AV conduction block secondary to vegetative myocarditis creating an area of "dead" myocardium in the septum.

Here are a few references:

http://www.cvphysiology.com/Arrhythmias/A003.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purkinje_fibers

http://www.mendeley.com/research/complete-atrioventricular-block-associated-with-regional-myocardial-scarring-in-a-patient-with-coxsackie-b2-myocarditis/

"Transient atrioventricular (A-V) conduction abnormalities are often experienced in patients with evolving acute viral myocarditis, but persistent complete A-V block requiring permanent cardiac pacing is rare."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4382880
http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Fiedler's+myocarditis

Myocarditis is an inflammatory disease of the heart muscle (myocardium) that can result from a variety of causes. While most cases are produced by a viral infection, an inflammation of the heart muscle may also be instigated by toxins, drugs, and hypersensitive immune reactions. Myocarditis is a rare but serious condition that affects both males and females of any age.
Description
Most cases of myocarditis in the United States originate from a virus, and the disease may remain undiagnosed by doctors due to its general lack of initial symptoms. The disease may also present itself as an acute, catastrophic illness that requires immediate treatment. Although the inflammation or degeneration of the heart muscle that myocarditis causes may be fatal, this disease often goes undetected. It may also disguise itself as ischemic, valvular, or hypertensive heart disease.

It's all interesting, and this expert may be more well-spoken than the other prosecution witness, but I still think it's a monumental stretch to say that with such a localized area of disease that a sudden complete heart block could have occurred, causing her to pass out and create the secondary damage to her neck (and other scratches, etc) we have heard about. Or sudden heart failure with flash pulmonary edema, and pink froth splashing onto walls. I don't buy it. She may have had a previous myocarditis (can happen after a common URI), but I have very sincere doubts that it initiated the damage pattern in her neck in that bathroom. Hopefully, the prosecution can counter that in re-cross with their expert.

She may have had sudden onset heart block secondary to strangling, also. Chicken and egg.

This is an odd case-- I don't think she died of natural causes, and I think someone strangled her, but I'm not convinced it was her husband. And there were some pretty glaring problems with the police investigation and duration of autopsy findings that will inevitably introduce some procedural doubt for the jurors. Will be interesting to see what the jury thinks.
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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 12:39 pm

Arrythmia caused by scarring....fell...
Sudden electrical occurance causing her to go down
In bathroom, common place for retreating when feeling ill
Cause of death....heart disease and postural asphyxia.
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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 12:42 pm

Pulmonary edema was present. Lungs were "heavy". Not an asphixial homicide. Not mechanical asphixial homicide.
Heart disease, fall, asphxia due to contact with object on ground....his dx

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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 12:46 pm

Whew...thanks everyone for picking up where I left off...lots to digest
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Post by KZ Tue May 29, 2012 12:49 pm

Wow-- interesting stuff-- wet heavy lungs would not be a result of "complete" strangling, but straining against a closed glottis is another thing that CAN produce flash pulmonary edema. Negative pressure pulmonary edema. We worry about it in the OR and PACU. I've seen it twice.

http://www.ispub.com/journal/the-internet-journal-of-anesthesiology/volume-12-number-1/management-of-unpred-cted-postoperat-ve-negat-ve-pressure-pulmonary-edema-a-report-of-two-cases.html

http://www.saudija.org/article.asp?issn=1658-354X;year=2011;volume=5;issue=3;spage=308;epage=313;aulast=Bhaskar

"Other factors that increase the risk of Type I NPPE are hanging, strangulation, upper airway tumors, foreign bodies, epiglottitis, croup, chocking, migration of Folly's catheter balloon used to tamponade the nose in epistaxis, near drowning, endotracheal tube (ETT) obstruction, goitre, and mononucleosis."

http://journals.lww.com/anesthesiology/Fulltext/2011/02000/Acute_Postoperative_Negative_pressure_Pulmonary.42.aspx

Thanks for the play by play, tess and CB. I have to go, but will check back later. Interested to hear the end.

edited to add quote above about strangulation. KZ
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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 12:54 pm

KZ,
Glad to see you are checking in...this is all very interesting. Such divergent opinions from the professionals. Who ever said science was boring? Very Happy
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Post by Guest Tue May 29, 2012 12:57 pm

IN Session analyst suggested State needs to GET IN & GET OUT in crosss. (good idea as this guy is so articulate, explained in laymans terms to the jury, that, imo, means a lot)

She also states the State make point:

"Dr. M didn't do autopsy," but DUH! neither did Dr. Hyma.

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Post by Guest Tue May 29, 2012 12:59 pm

Do we know the jury makeup? I wonder f there are any health care professinals on the jury.

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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 1:02 pm

Art...I think Dr. M did a very good job explaining in laymen's terms what he thinks happened.
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Post by suz1729 Tue May 29, 2012 1:08 pm

Vinnie on insessions just brought up the fact that the defendent himself said in his 911 call that there were marks on her neck.Thank you Vinnie! I still say that magazine rack did not cause that deep tissue damage


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Post by Guest Tue May 29, 2012 1:09 pm

Chickenbutt wrote:Art...I think Dr. M did a very good job explaining in laymen's terms what he thinks happened.


Chickenbutt, I am so impressed, I just didn't like Dr. Hyma because he acted BOTHERED imo.  He ddn't even examine the magaxine rack, Dr. M. takes it to his office & matches 3 point to it.


I really apprciated Dr. M's delievery, passionate, PLUS he too was a former ME!


IN Sesson calling it a HOMe RUN1


Alternate possibility:  I buy it! Really interesting.


wheres the rest of our online jury:  Stark, Chester, Suzy!  KZ is checking in!


Is the STATE going to screw up the Cross?


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Post by Guest Tue May 29, 2012 1:10 pm

The size of the scarring is sizable: 10 MM NOT the 3MM the State claims!


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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 1:10 pm

I am now more convinced that Adam didn't do this. I don't think she was murdered at all.
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Post by tesstruhart Tue May 29, 2012 1:11 pm

KZ, I don't know if you heard it or not but the scarring in the heart was in the septum and was 10mm. Does that change anything for you?
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Post by Guest Tue May 29, 2012 1:13 pm

Chickenbutt wrote:I am now more convinced that Adam didn't do this. I don't think she was murdered at all.

I second the emotion CB! At the least, he has created reasonable doubt. Unless there is a cardiologist on the jury, the STATE is probably sunk!

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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 1:13 pm

I like the 3 points of pressure matched up with magazines and neck.
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Post by Chickenbutt Tue May 29, 2012 1:14 pm

Sure wish I knew what the staining was on the magazines. Was it tan solution? Was it pulmonary edema fluid? We'll never know since it wasn't tested.
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