Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
Dr. Why don't i see all of it?> because when rack has magazines in it there is distortion of buckle. Only part of it is highest part.
P: arguing anbout position of buckle
DR. no, your wrong counselor
Dr,. back sitting his seat now
P: referring to pix of magazines, isn't it obvious that pages of magazines would be rumpled if she was laying on them
DR> Actually counselor, the magazines are ober to the side
She is on top of some of the magazine component and the buckle
I'll get to demonstration in redirect (P wouldn't let him demonstrate is theory)
P do the magazines looked crumpled or bent to you
Dr.
P: arguing anbout position of buckle
DR. no, your wrong counselor
Dr,. back sitting his seat now
P: referring to pix of magazines, isn't it obvious that pages of magazines would be rumpled if she was laying on them
DR> Actually counselor, the magazines are ober to the side
She is on top of some of the magazine component and the buckle
I'll get to demonstration in redirect (P wouldn't let him demonstrate is theory)
P do the magazines looked crumpled or bent to you
Dr.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
tesstruhart wrote:P now getting the metal strip
Dr: I have another acetate here maybe this will help you
Let me show you
I:M seeing a profile of a buckle here creating this notch and tongue effect right here...(showing the magazine rack to jurors) explaining his measurements and conclusiuons
This is very similar to the leather magazine rack, with the handle buckle, that they were discussing.
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P Wouldn't her right shoulder be on top of the rack
DR> These objects are not wedged down, they will slip sideways and you have to take into consideration geometry. Look at discoloration of magazines, there is other evidence
P in your opinion, does her falling on this rack explain deep muscle damage
Dr. Collectively with all the other factors cpr, intubation etc
Mechanical asphyxia can be different things...can be homicide or accident. It also includes posteral asphyxia which is not homicide
DR> These objects are not wedged down, they will slip sideways and you have to take into consideration geometry. Look at discoloration of magazines, there is other evidence
P in your opinion, does her falling on this rack explain deep muscle damage
Dr. Collectively with all the other factors cpr, intubation etc
Mechanical asphyxia can be different things...can be homicide or accident. It also includes posteral asphyxia which is not homicide
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
Dr: lets suppose there wasn't any cpr, then you would be suspicious that this was a homicide because you have hemmoraghes and no explanations. Now add Cpr, fire rescue, and this adds new dimensions to your opinions.
P: doesn't the amateur that you refer to is manipulation of the neck
Dr. directions given by operator of 911 call and person not knowing what to do taking direction and manipulation of head trying to do cpr
P:
P: doesn't the amateur that you refer to is manipulation of the neck
Dr. directions given by operator of 911 call and person not knowing what to do taking direction and manipulation of head trying to do cpr
P:
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
P: dr. you know by reviewing the tape that he said he found her on the floor. Did he find her that way, or threw her on the ground.
Dr.: there is nothing on the tape that precludes her being on her back
P: Dr. you would agree, that listening to the 911 tape would be the most accurate way to review this
Dr.: yes, I have no perfect memory of it, I would like to listen to it again
Dr.: there is nothing on the tape that precludes her being on her back
P: Dr. you would agree, that listening to the 911 tape would be the most accurate way to review this
Dr.: yes, I have no perfect memory of it, I would like to listen to it again
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
P: on 911 tape defendent was asked if she fell
Defendent says no, do you remember that
DR: when that question is asked, they are looking for falling down the stairs or fell off of something
P: Was the victim was found face down, face up, on the floor
Dr. I don't recall what exactly what he said
Defendent says no, do you remember that
DR: when that question is asked, they are looking for falling down the stairs or fell off of something
P: Was the victim was found face down, face up, on the floor
Dr. I don't recall what exactly what he said
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
P: there is no contention to her having any sort of allergy and her death was not the result of any toxicology,
Dr. Correct
P: would you rate the ME as well above average
Dr. above yes
P Well above
Dr. Whatever i said I will go with that
Dr. Correct
P: would you rate the ME as well above average
Dr. above yes
P Well above
Dr. Whatever i said I will go with that
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
P: A scar is the result of a healing process right?>
Dr. Scar is result of disease or injury
P: showing Dr. pictures of heart slides
Dr. says you picked the worst one
Now dr. explaining the abnormal cells in the muscle of the heart
Dr. explaining inflammation vs. fibrosis
P: saying that the main conduction area of heart is not present in any of these slides
Dr. says correct
P: Does cardiac muscle look the same in the whole heart
Dr. No
Pros. picking apart inflammation cells and stating the last time Dr. had any kind of cardiac training was in 1983.
DR: no, I read and received training at the hospital,. I have attended conferences at various hosp. in cardiac disease, seen my own patients with cardica illness. my education process has not stopped
Dr. Scar is result of disease or injury
P: showing Dr. pictures of heart slides
Dr. says you picked the worst one
Now dr. explaining the abnormal cells in the muscle of the heart
Dr. explaining inflammation vs. fibrosis
P: saying that the main conduction area of heart is not present in any of these slides
Dr. says correct
P: Does cardiac muscle look the same in the whole heart
Dr. No
Pros. picking apart inflammation cells and stating the last time Dr. had any kind of cardiac training was in 1983.
DR: no, I read and received training at the hospital,. I have attended conferences at various hosp. in cardiac disease, seen my own patients with cardica illness. my education process has not stopped
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
redirect:
You have testified for defense and State correct...yes
does it matter...no
does amt. of your pay affect you....no
You have testified for defense and State correct...yes
does it matter...no
does amt. of your pay affect you....no
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
Tess, been away from the computer but could hear it. Going to link CB shared.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
If I told you that Lina Kaufman complained of fatigue, headaches shortly before her death 1 mo. before would that be consistent with your findings? yes
You didn't interview Adam K or any family members .... right
You did review medical records....yes
CMV titer was in extremely elevated range. It indicates that a substantial infection has occurred sometimes in the past.
You didn't interview Adam K or any family members .... right
You did review medical records....yes
CMV titer was in extremely elevated range. It indicates that a substantial infection has occurred sometimes in the past.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
discussing the 911 tape, Dr. maintains he heard a distraught husband and poo poos idea that anyone who just strangled someone would call 911 and talk about marks on the neck. He maintains that she sat on the toilet probably not straight off to the side, she falls and then adam comes in and finds her and takes her and lays her on the floor.
OBJECTION
Again reviewing failed intubation attempts and possible injuries resulting
OBJECTION
Again reviewing failed intubation attempts and possible injuries resulting
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
Now going over his deposition where he does or doesn;t mention intubation.
Line 19 yes intubation mentioned
line 13
line 14-15 all mentioned in various pages
Line 19 yes intubation mentioned
line 13
line 14-15 all mentioned in various pages
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
Asking about discussing with Pro. intubations .....yes
How many hours later were the photos taken after Lina taken to Hosp.
I don't know
Dr. now taking a photo and showing jury a picutre of some artifact on picture
Objection
Dr. do you see a mark on this exhibit?
Objection
sustained
discussing the 911 tape and directions from 911 operator to Adam and what possible injuries could result.
How many hours later were the photos taken after Lina taken to Hosp.
I don't know
Dr. now taking a photo and showing jury a picutre of some artifact on picture
Objection
Dr. do you see a mark on this exhibit?
Objection
sustained
discussing the 911 tape and directions from 911 operator to Adam and what possible injuries could result.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
Did ME miss the heart scarring....yes
Did ME miss the magazine rack and the correlating marks....yes
Do you periuodically and consistently read up on cardiac and forensic updates....yes
cost me 378 dollars for magazines I';m sure as heck going to read them
Did ME miss the magazine rack and the correlating marks....yes
Do you periuodically and consistently read up on cardiac and forensic updates....yes
cost me 378 dollars for magazines I';m sure as heck going to read them
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
Dr. getting the magazine ract prepared for demonstration of buckle mark again.
Objection
The death of Lina Kaufman was accidental asphyxia and scarring of the heart and myocarditis. He is explaining the analogy of traffic on I95 and heart electrical flow.
Objection
The death of Lina Kaufman was accidental asphyxia and scarring of the heart and myocarditis. He is explaining the analogy of traffic on I95 and heart electrical flow.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
Defense allowing Dr. to narrate his whole theory.
the end
the end
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
wow - just - wow
on the previous assaults (Adam) ....and attempted strangulation of room mate at college now
on CNNLive
on the previous assaults (Adam) ....and attempted strangulation of room mate at college now
on CNNLive
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
summerthyme wrote:wow - just - wow
on the previous assaults (Adam) ....and attempted strangulation of room mate at college now
on CNNLive
Is this something admitted for the trial, or reporters relaying background information??? WOW.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
weezie - jury has been sent home. this is happening now on CNNLive
are you watching? am just stunned !....................thud!!!
are you watching? am just stunned !....................thud!!!
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
What is all this about Adam trying to strangle someone in college?
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
Evidently court over for today.
State is now saying Defense has opened the door to defendent's reputation for violence.
They have confidential source that in college Adam tried unsuccessfully to asphyxiate a roomate. He has 2 other arrests for violent behavior and they have case numbers.
State arguing caselaw now. Says jury needs to hear this. They want to cross examine defense witnesses that say he is a kind, peaceful person.
Defense: State mis States facts. Now reciting case law...too little too late. State vs. Kruse Previous arrest records not admissible.
Dixon Vs. State ; Michaels Vs. State; rules of evidence
How are they relying a confidential source. What could be more unreliable. This would be reverseable error. This has been sprung on us at the last minute. Who knows what kind of axe they have to grind.
This is much more prejudicial than probative.
Find this astounding that state goes to West Va. to find a confidential source after 5 years. We are now 5 weeks into this trial...why did they violate their own rules of discovery.
Even if they were seeking to introduce other events of wrong-doing they had an obligation to inform us. Nothing. They handed us an amended discovery today.
Judege, says she doesn't have any indication that anything was hidden. My understanding is that you (State) feel the door was open beczause Frida Eiseman said that he wouldn't never lift a finger against Lina.
State says he let that line of questioning go because he knew this was coming. (isn;t that violataion of discovery?)
Someone who was watchng the trial contacted us last week and we sent a Miami/Dade police up there to take his depostition.
Judge now citing case law, but State is disputing.
Defense says this is like North Korea
State Objects
State now reading case law
This is a narrow exception to this law.....and proceeds to read
there was no notice of this confidential informant, we found out on Wed. Abundantly cleaer in caselaw that good faith basis is all thats needed.
Defense: The door is not opened. Frida did not even know the defendent back in college. completely reversible error if this is allowed.
State supreme court case of US....
Confidential informants not identified and not subject to cross examination is not allowed in USA
They are trying to back door this in. this witness was never listed. he is not on trial for what happened 20 years ago or in college.
Judge, now saying that she has to review because the question was asked of Frida if he would ever raise his hand to a woman...
Defense; I disagree with the court,
Judge: i follow the law
I don't need the commentary
Defense the arrest they want to bring out is a misdemeanor and not for domestic violence. This is not a good faith basis. They are trying to destroy the defendent's reputation and character.
Judge: we need the transcript for the exact wording
Would this be appropriate and admissible to question and after that we can deal with discovery issue. The court will determine whether this is a permissible course for the court to take.
Defense this is from 1993 and 1996 arrests for destruction of property,
Defense : now State is offereing a letter from Dr. Hyma pg 8 has critism of Dr. Baden ...rules of discovery again.....letter written by Joseph Davis (?) We don't know who that is..Memo that Joe Davis sent around critizing Baden that he lied. Recommended that Dr. BAden be sanctioned,,,never happened. State wants this in evidence. this is height of absurdity.
this letter is was signed by Dr. Hyma who was subjected to cross examination. Now the State says they just got this letter....
State says they just got this letter and disclosed it as soon as they could. Judge agrees
Defense; they are trying to get a jury verdict based on anything but the merits.
Judge, we have moved beyond the issue of confidential source.
Please don't ask Dr. BODEN (evidently she doesn't know him) any questions that violate the rules of evidence.
Defense: some records sent to Mr. Kaufman has to do with an academic nature, we would like this be confidential.
Judge give me a case law
Defense: A young man's school records are confidential when he was underage. I don't even know how the State got them at this point. Why is is fair game? They are confidential.
State: We are redacting the SS number from the files. We have already filed them.
Defense: Mr. Kaufman has rights judge, The State should not file them at all
State We have already filed them
Judge: I don't disagree with you (to the defense)
Judge: just file the front page
State now saying who they are calling for rebuttal case: Jail call tapes, Seth Kaufman (didn't get the rest)
Defense: Jail calls irrelevant, need provide specific numnbers and times
State: 3 CD's coveringh 100 hours of calls, not all are admissible, just the ones certified by corrections officer
Defense: There is no proffer how this is rebuttal. We need to jump through hoops to find out which part of which call is being introduced to rebut what?
We need a hearing to determine what they are rebutting.
Judge: I am not going to make them (State) lay out their whole case, I am going to trust them to follow the rules of evidence. ordering State to get transcripts of phone calls to give to Defense:
State: Talking about Adam having sex with Raquel. After (?) Lina had died.
I'm a little confused with that last statement
Defense: More prejudicial than probative
Judge: I am inclined to let in the defendent's acts within a month of the death...need more info on prior acts....In Fl. the law does permit testimony on defendents behavior after a homicide. (She thinks this is a homicide I guess)
State is now saying Defense has opened the door to defendent's reputation for violence.
They have confidential source that in college Adam tried unsuccessfully to asphyxiate a roomate. He has 2 other arrests for violent behavior and they have case numbers.
State arguing caselaw now. Says jury needs to hear this. They want to cross examine defense witnesses that say he is a kind, peaceful person.
Defense: State mis States facts. Now reciting case law...too little too late. State vs. Kruse Previous arrest records not admissible.
Dixon Vs. State ; Michaels Vs. State; rules of evidence
How are they relying a confidential source. What could be more unreliable. This would be reverseable error. This has been sprung on us at the last minute. Who knows what kind of axe they have to grind.
This is much more prejudicial than probative.
Find this astounding that state goes to West Va. to find a confidential source after 5 years. We are now 5 weeks into this trial...why did they violate their own rules of discovery.
Even if they were seeking to introduce other events of wrong-doing they had an obligation to inform us. Nothing. They handed us an amended discovery today.
Judege, says she doesn't have any indication that anything was hidden. My understanding is that you (State) feel the door was open beczause Frida Eiseman said that he wouldn't never lift a finger against Lina.
State says he let that line of questioning go because he knew this was coming. (isn;t that violataion of discovery?)
Someone who was watchng the trial contacted us last week and we sent a Miami/Dade police up there to take his depostition.
Judge now citing case law, but State is disputing.
Defense says this is like North Korea
State Objects
State now reading case law
This is a narrow exception to this law.....and proceeds to read
there was no notice of this confidential informant, we found out on Wed. Abundantly cleaer in caselaw that good faith basis is all thats needed.
Defense: The door is not opened. Frida did not even know the defendent back in college. completely reversible error if this is allowed.
State supreme court case of US....
Confidential informants not identified and not subject to cross examination is not allowed in USA
They are trying to back door this in. this witness was never listed. he is not on trial for what happened 20 years ago or in college.
Judge, now saying that she has to review because the question was asked of Frida if he would ever raise his hand to a woman...
Defense; I disagree with the court,
Judge: i follow the law
I don't need the commentary
Defense the arrest they want to bring out is a misdemeanor and not for domestic violence. This is not a good faith basis. They are trying to destroy the defendent's reputation and character.
Judge: we need the transcript for the exact wording
Would this be appropriate and admissible to question and after that we can deal with discovery issue. The court will determine whether this is a permissible course for the court to take.
Defense this is from 1993 and 1996 arrests for destruction of property,
Defense : now State is offereing a letter from Dr. Hyma pg 8 has critism of Dr. Baden ...rules of discovery again.....letter written by Joseph Davis (?) We don't know who that is..Memo that Joe Davis sent around critizing Baden that he lied. Recommended that Dr. BAden be sanctioned,,,never happened. State wants this in evidence. this is height of absurdity.
this letter is was signed by Dr. Hyma who was subjected to cross examination. Now the State says they just got this letter....
State says they just got this letter and disclosed it as soon as they could. Judge agrees
Defense; they are trying to get a jury verdict based on anything but the merits.
Judge, we have moved beyond the issue of confidential source.
Please don't ask Dr. BODEN (evidently she doesn't know him) any questions that violate the rules of evidence.
Defense: some records sent to Mr. Kaufman has to do with an academic nature, we would like this be confidential.
Judge give me a case law
Defense: A young man's school records are confidential when he was underage. I don't even know how the State got them at this point. Why is is fair game? They are confidential.
State: We are redacting the SS number from the files. We have already filed them.
Defense: Mr. Kaufman has rights judge, The State should not file them at all
State We have already filed them
Judge: I don't disagree with you (to the defense)
Judge: just file the front page
State now saying who they are calling for rebuttal case: Jail call tapes, Seth Kaufman (didn't get the rest)
Defense: Jail calls irrelevant, need provide specific numnbers and times
State: 3 CD's coveringh 100 hours of calls, not all are admissible, just the ones certified by corrections officer
Defense: There is no proffer how this is rebuttal. We need to jump through hoops to find out which part of which call is being introduced to rebut what?
We need a hearing to determine what they are rebutting.
Judge: I am not going to make them (State) lay out their whole case, I am going to trust them to follow the rules of evidence. ordering State to get transcripts of phone calls to give to Defense:
State: Talking about Adam having sex with Raquel. After (?) Lina had died.
I'm a little confused with that last statement
Defense: More prejudicial than probative
Judge: I am inclined to let in the defendent's acts within a month of the death...need more info on prior acts....In Fl. the law does permit testimony on defendents behavior after a homicide. (She thinks this is a homicide I guess)
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
On the computerer? TV? just got back & trying to catch up.
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YOU ROCK TESS!
Thanks for all the information!
Thanks for all the information!
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Chickenbutt wrote:What is all this about Adam trying to strangle someone in college?
The "gist" that I am getting is that the state is trying to get several witnesses in as "rebuttal" from Adam's past, as well as playing some taped phone calls. Defense is saying that should have been done in Case in Chief, and the rebuttal does not apply to the evidence.
I think!!
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art tart wrote:YOU ROCK TESS!
Thanks for all the information!
I bow down to Tess. Awesome recap.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
Defense; arguing that Seth arrived after Capt. Carmen and State wants to use Seth to rebut Capt. Carmen and his statements about what Adam was wearing. Defense is stating that State is purposely misleading the jury. Judge admonishes defense about personal attacks
State: wants to impeach Seth's reliability because they say he lied when he said he didn't know about Adam's arrest.
Judge: The prior acts are more prej. than probative...too long ago
My opinions are not hard and fast, need to research and give case law.
Get jail calls transcribed.
State: wants to impeach Seth's reliability because they say he lied when he said he didn't know about Adam's arrest.
Judge: The prior acts are more prej. than probative...too long ago
My opinions are not hard and fast, need to research and give case law.
Get jail calls transcribed.
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Tess, you are a jewel. Thank you so much for your time and effort. We all appreciate it!
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whew, I have to go feed the dog
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tess - you are amazing - thank you sooooo much
no court til Thursday gulp/groan....might as well faint again !!!!!!!!!!!!! -g
no court til Thursday gulp/groan....might as well faint again !!!!!!!!!!!!! -g
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
B U M M E R !
imo, Dr. M still made the better testimony on the injuries, Dr. H doesn't impress me.
What does everyone else think?
imo, Dr. M still made the better testimony on the injuries, Dr. H doesn't impress me.
What does everyone else think?
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maybe IN Session will replay in the morning this afternoon's proceedings after they went off.
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art tart wrote:imo, Dr. M still made the better testimony on the injuries, Dr. H doesn't impress me.
What does everyone else think?
I wasn't impressed with Dr. H either. Even if I am convinced of the defense's theory they gave me reasonable doubt. There's so much reasonable doubt in this case.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
art tart wrote:maybe IN Session will replay in the morning this afternoon's proceedings after they went off.
I think they will; not like they have anything else to do for 6 hours. I'll be interested in what the legal analysts have to say.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
back2back19 wrote:art tart wrote:maybe IN Session will replay in the morning this afternoon's proceedings after they went off.
I think they will; not like they have anything else to do for 6 hours. I'll be interested in what the legal analysts have to say.
back2back, glad you joined the thread.
I am really SUPRISED about the STATE wanting to call a CONFIDENTIAL New witness, didn't Judge Perry allow the State in KC's case to VET a few witnesses during trial because of discovery violations & not furnishing the information to the State? I don't think the STATE in this case can sneak in new people, if they knew since last wednesday, that's 6 days.
Doesn't the Defense have to VET the confidential person to see if they INDEED DO have an ax to grind & how along ago was it.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
I am just amazed everyday at the surprises in this trial. I don't think this judge is on top of her game on this one. She has a group of strong personalities to deal with. I am not buying the State's contention that they "just got the letter" for Baden and I am not buying the whole thing about the 'confidential witness'. Apparently, it is not a secret that Adam was kicked out school for an incident. There is a poster on another site that says she thought everyone knew about that but apparently not.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
art tart wrote:back2back19 wrote:art tart wrote:maybe IN Session will replay in the morning this afternoon's proceedings after they went off.
I think they will; not like they have anything else to do for 6 hours. I'll be interested in what the legal analysts have to say.
back2back, glad you joined the thread.
I am really SUPRISED about the STATE wanting to call a CONFIDENTIAL New witness, didn't Judge Perry allow the State in KC's case to VET a few witnesses during trial because of discovery violations & not furnishing the information to the State? I don't think the STATE in this case can sneak in new people, if they knew since last wednesday, that's 6 days.
Doesn't the Defense have to VET the confidential person to see if they INDEED DO have an ax to grind & how along ago was it.
Thank you. Glad to join in. :)
Yes, that's what I was thinking too. I just don't like the trial by ambush. I didn't like in the CA trial and I don't like it here. I saw some tweets last week about AK and there being some history there(I think it mentioned Seth too), so, I don't believe they just came into the info. It's been out there. The state's case is weak and not going well and I think they decided to try trial by ambush and it's wrong. Win or lose the case on what you have.
This case is a mess.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
didn't they say on IN SESSION that a POLICE OFFICER flew to meet w/the SECRET witness? I didn't get the impression that a prosecutor went.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
That's what I heard too Art Tart. This whole thing is becoming yet another Florida circus.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
DEFENSE Expert Testifies:
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Defense-Expert-Testifies-in-Aventura-Murder-Trial-155458115.html
http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/Defense-Expert-Testifies-in-Aventura-Murder-Trial-155458115.html
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
tesstruhart wrote:That's what I heard too Art Tart. This whole thing is becoming yet another Florida circus.
tesstruhart, this is starting to get on my nerves. I am not for or against Adam Kaufman. I just want the STATE to prove their case, thus far, imo, they have done a piss pore job.
Dr. M, former Medical Examiner himself at least looked at the magazine rack, the magazines in it, conducted some experiments, yadayadayada. I thought he did extremely well in his explanation of the facts as he saw them, he explained to the jury in his drawings, etc.
Now Dr. Hymi is going to testify again. Shout out to Dr. H! You need to work on projecting yourself as professional, not as a lazy ass that didn't make a determination for 18 months & NEVER did the autopsy on the body. Show your taxpayer's in your county your really not the slacker you project, earn some of the $ 250,000.00 you get paid every year.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
great link shared on the front page:
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/29/2822965/defense-medical-expert-testifies.html
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/29/2822965/defense-medical-expert-testifies.html
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
I am wanting to introduce Dr Vass (CA Trial) to Dr. Marraccini (Adam Kaufman trial).
They have both cracked me up.
They have both cracked me up.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
Chickenbutt, I love this man. He is animated, passionate, full of hand gestures, HARVARD educated, he is just great. He believes in this case!
I agree about Dr. Vass, but how COOL is Dr. Marraccini?
jmo, this judge sucks. I am underwhelmed!
I agree about Dr. Vass, but how COOL is Dr. Marraccini?
jmo, this judge sucks. I am underwhelmed!
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
They both show a great understanding and passion for their respective fields. They both have a way of getting in what they want to get in and each have no problem correcting the pros when they (pros) are trying to put words in their mouths.
I agree....how COOL are they?
I agree....how COOL are they?
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
twiddling my thumbs...because I have no life....til Thursday!!
How awful is that............-g
How awful is that............-g
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
lol summer, I know. I am watching IS and the parts I missed yesterday. I love me some Dr. M!
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
Hi all, I am babysitting my 2 month old grand daughter so I am watching IS and can refresh my computer, but most of the time my hands are occupied so I can't type. I am so in love right now.
Anyway, I think if the judge lets in the 'prior bad acts' that will be devastating to the defense. Whether or not they are true, or misdemeanors or whatever, I think people are looking for something to hang their hat on. I want to think he is not guilty, but I am still having huge issues with her injuries. Even if she fell on the magazine rack, I am not so sure all this stuff could have happened. There is still too much reasonable doubt for me to vote G, but this is 50/50 if they let that stuff in.
Anyway, I think if the judge lets in the 'prior bad acts' that will be devastating to the defense. Whether or not they are true, or misdemeanors or whatever, I think people are looking for something to hang their hat on. I want to think he is not guilty, but I am still having huge issues with her injuries. Even if she fell on the magazine rack, I am not so sure all this stuff could have happened. There is still too much reasonable doubt for me to vote G, but this is 50/50 if they let that stuff in.
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
I scream bull chit! Judge Belvin Perry would allow the Defense to Vet/depo the SECRET witness.
this s trial by AMBUSH!
this s trial by AMBUSH!
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Re: Adam Kaufman Murder Trial (murder of Eleonora Kaufman - 11/7/07 - Aventura, FL)
Although, I think that the State has royally screwed this case up from the get go, and her death was probably a tragic accident, I must respectfully disagree about the good Dr. Marracini, I find him rude, condescending and obnoxious, much like the State's witness Dr. Hyma. I would hate to be on this jury and having to sit though sidebar after sidebar, argument after argument and I am really not looking forward to hearing the all knowing wind bag Dr. Baden next, and hear his speculations and pontifications on some info he was given 5 years after the fact for a very hefty fee. On both sides, State and defense, I hate that expert testimony can be bought and paid for to suit their needs. Makes the truth that much harder to find in my opinion.
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