Document Dump 7-12-2012 -- Zimmerman/Martin Case

Read the doc dump! Wow.
Need Cliff notes to keep together all the stuff from the witnesses, etc.. Who was where and said what when!

WKMG Local 6 News ‏@clickorlando
George ‪#Zimmerman‬ had handgun and three magazines of ammo when he was booked into Seminole Co Jail. ‪#TrayvonMartin

WKMG Local 6 News ‏@clickorlando
Former ‪#Zimmerman‬ attorneys found out they were not representing him from SAO's office. Pg 38:

ecossie possie wrote:The ten year freind whom gave dhooting practice to the Zimmermans is the aforementioned Air Marshall i presume......

Thanks Ecossie! Was thinking of you earlier as you have such excellent recall. I was reading and getting dizzy trying to place where each of the witnesses live.

The ten year friend: He is the one who said he got GZ the job with the loan company.
Is that the same as the Air Marshall?

Ex fiance on why she called off engagement/left living with Gz...

Gz exhibited overprotective and territorial behavior.....so she asked him to go into premarital counseling...

On the way back from one couseling session he back handed her in the mouth for chewing gum.....she says she had did this playfully to him prior and he did not like it....so doing this was in retaliation.

That was 1st of 3 reasons she left the relationship.

2nd was Gz's over interest in a young unwed mother living near them...and finding them (not in a sexual situation) but all 3 Gz, mother and baby playing on bed....

3rd........She found out Gz was telling others he was single...and even was listed on a singles website...

I am really going batty here!

http://www.clickorlando.com/blob/view/-/15490330/data/1/-/kligxm/-/Zimmerman-documents.pdf

Page 79:
This friend gave a graduation party for GZ. Said GZ did not attend the grad ceremony; friend has not seen any diploma.

Stated GZ never actively patrol the area.

Yup GZ phoned up wanting to speak to Ms Corey D L R said she wasnt available but he could speak to him with his attorney..GZ said he has no attorney as he isnt charged with anything..D L R says he will call him back,,D L R then contacts GZ soon to be ex attorney an tells him of conversation,,Attorney tries to phone GZ but GZ wont answer his calls,,So D L R sets up a threeway with attornry an calls GZ back..As soon as GZ learns his attorney is in on the 3 way call...He hangs up...Petulant much?

not a surprise to anyone who's worked with a diverse group of Latinos.
I did for many years and it was the only thing I had to lay down the law about- treating the darker skinned coworkers with respect. The whiter ones would tell you their roots were in Europe and they hadn't picked up any dirt in America.
I said I knew just as many light jerks as dark and they'd have HR issues if they continued to harrass anyone they had just made clear to me that they considered inferior to me because of skin color. I told them I made detailed notes and would be monitoring it with HR. And that they were in America, and needed to get over it, LOL.
It was eye opening!


[quote="Alessandra_Deux"]WKMG Local 6 News ‏@clickorlando
Ex-fiancee: GZ's mother never liked her because she was hispanic and wanted GZ to marry a 'white woman' ‪#TrayvonMartin‬ ‪#Zimmerman

Page 80:

Friend states GZ' mother was very strict with GZ and would hit him all the time; until this incident GZ was estranged from his family!!! Sister has a different mother and is treated differently. Father did not discipline nor stick up for his kids.

Wow. So GZ is now brought back into the fold, gets to manipulate his father into seeing/recognizing GZ, and gets his "just rewards" or attention he has been craving!

This is getting heavier. Sounds to me like, "What do I have to do to get some attention from you, Dad? You owe me. Now I hold your name hostage."

Oh my back to the ex fiance......after the above....she and Gz are at her place talking and she tells him he cannot stay the night...he asks to be allowed to just sleep on the couch....she refuses...he grabs her cell phone and says he's staying.....she attempted to remove the phone from his pocket...he shoved her...

Her dog jumped at Gz and bit him near his face and she was able to get the phone and call police.....Gz was gone when police arrived......

Police next day advised her to get an injunction......she did and Gz said she accused him of being a womanizer and scratched him in the face when he refused to stay....happened in 2005.

This chit's too weird to make up lol

Freckles Im only assumeing he is or was the Air Marxhal because of his milatary L E background ...seems the type with extensive firearm traing who would get an air marshals job..Yes think he is the sameone whom got George job with loan company could be wrong though..

I need a breather! Be back later. This is intense.
GZ has a lot of mental problems. Like WOW.

I fast forwarded - around page 208, stains on Trayvon's clothing indicate "contact shot" on all pages. Someone in the know - what is a contact shot? I thought the shot was determined to be from some distance like 6 inches or so.

Can everyone please indicate page #s for info - too many pages to sift through looking for stuff. Thnx

GZ, from what I have and am reading:
--No respect for females (incident/arrest records)
--No respect for laws (arrest record)
--No respect for minorities (witness SM statements he has made)
--No bonding with family only 1/2 sister
--No respect for father or father's occupation

Now do you think this guy is going to tell the truth?
I got a few pretty baubles to trade ya...

New Trayvon Martin crime scene and evidence photos released in George Zimmerman case

On July 12, 2012, prosecutors released these crime scene and evidence photographs in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin.

WTSP.com Photo Gallery

Evidence photographs show closeup of the shirt Trayvon Martin wore the night he was killed. A bullet hole and blood stains are clearly visible.
3 of 67 Pictures

http://www.wtsp.com/news/photo-gallery.aspx?storyid=263512

angela_nw wrote:I fast forwarded - around page 208, stains on Trayvon's clothing indicate "contact shot" on all pages. Someone in the know - what is a contact shot? I thought the shot was determined to be from some distance like 6 inches or so.

Can everyone please indicate page #s for info - too many pages to sift through looking for stuff. Thnx

I am posting page number first. Then general idea of what is on the page. Every few posts, I include the doc link.

Waiting for a call back re what a contact shot is.

I could be wrong but I believe that the distance is determined by the way the gunpowder that fires the bullet is dispersed. Therefore a contact shot would be that the barrel was pressed at least against the shirt and depending on position of the person against the body if the shirt was touching the skin.

FBI Reports (PDF)

Released July 12, 2012

32 Pages:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/07/12/zimmerman.fdle.lab.reports.pdf

Alessandra_Deux wrote:WKMG Local 6 News ‏@clickorlando
George ‪#Zimmerman‬ had handgun and three magazines of ammo when he was booked into Seminole Co Jail. ‪#TrayvonMartin

I find this odd. Why would you leave your home with a handgun in the evening with 3 magazines... was he going to a gunfight at the OK corral... someone please tell GZ that the old west is gone!

Whew...been reading docs. Had to take a break and come here to read the general take on things. Hard to keep it all straight. I'm getting a headache....
Gonna relax for a bit, get coffee then go back to it.

Hinky Refugee wrote:When Officer Ayala arrived he saw one officer holding 2 people @ gunpoint and another person lying on the ground with his hands UNDER NEATH him...yelled for him to remove his hands...then felt for pulse and their was not one...

I thought Gz said he spread Trayvon's arms out?

you remember correctly from the re-enactment

justanopinion wrote:

Alessandra_Deux wrote:WKMG Local 6 News ‏@clickorlando
George ‪#Zimmerman‬ had handgun and three magazines of ammo when he was booked into Seminole Co Jail. ‪#TrayvonMartin

I find this odd. Why would you leave your home with a handgun in the evening with 3 magazines... was he going to a gunfight at the OK corral... someone please tell GZ that the old west is gone!

I agree, odd, unstable even. Who carries that amount of ammo? GZ was a ticking time bomb. Interesting that he was estranged from his family, also interesting that they immediately jumped to his defense. I understand supporting your loved ones but might there be another reason? Guilt? Fear? We will never know, they are liars, just like the A-hole Anthonys.

Dis wrote:

justanopinion wrote:



I find this odd. Why would you leave your home with a handgun in the evening with 3 magazines... was he going to a gunfight at the OK corral... someone please tell GZ that the old west is gone!

I agree, odd, unstable even. Who carries that amount of ammo? GZ was a ticking time bomb. Interesting that he was estranged from his family, also interesting that they immediately jumped to his defense. I understand supporting your loved ones but might there be another reason? Guilt? Fear? We will never know, they are liars, just like the A-hole Anthonys.

Wasn't he supposed to be going for groceries... scary with 3 magazines... I am thinking that the ticking was loud clanging...
Then reading some of the other stuff posted .... he went to the gun store to buy more guns??

No much wonder the Judge wants him in by 6pm and no alcohol and no access to a bank account!

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/07/12/zimmerman.fdle.lab.reports.pdf

Worth noting the clothing worn by GZ had only one particle of lead on the back of the right sleeve.

justanopinion wrote:

Dis wrote:

I agree, odd, unstable even. Who carries that amount of ammo? GZ was a ticking time bomb. Interesting that he was estranged from his family, also interesting that they immediately jumped to his defense. I understand supporting your loved ones but might there be another reason? Guilt? Fear? We will never know, they are liars, just like the A-hole Anthonys.

Wasn't he supposed to be going for groceries... scary with 3 magazines... I am thinking that the ticking was loud clanging...
Then reading some of the other stuff posted .... he went to the gun store to buy more guns??

No much wonder the Judge wants him in by 6pm and no alcohol and no access to a bank account!

I think the 3 magazines is from when he was arrested, not the night of the shooting. Still seems to be a lot of ammo, but I'm not a gun person. I'm still pissed they didn't impound his vehicle that night, would like to have known what ammo, if any, was in the car.

justanopinion wrote:http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/07/12/zimmerman.fdle.lab.reports.pdf

Worth noting the clothing worn by GZ had only one particle of lead on the back of the right sleeve.

I'd forgotten about that, seems very strange to me if they were in such close proximity to each other.

serenaz1 wrote:

justanopinion wrote:http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/07/12/zimmerman.fdle.lab.reports.pdf

Worth noting the clothing worn by GZ had only one particle of lead on the back of the right sleeve.

I'd forgotten about that, seems very strange to me if they were in such close proximity to each other.

Or if GZ was the one on the bottom... but a contact shot might have prevented more... but I would have thought there would be more... speculation at best as I am not an expert!

Evidence in Trayvon Martin death released in case against George Zimmerman

12:07 PM, Jul 12, 2012

Newscast:



Article:

http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/263508/19/Evidence-in-Trayvon-Martin-death-released-in-case-against-George-Zimmerman

serenaz1~I considered maybe he had those mags when he was booked but the tweet said gun & mags. They took his gun the night of the shooting so either he had those mags on him or he had another gun & brought it with him when he was booked for M2?? Either way, it's odd, we don't have hand guns but I would imagine unless you do a lot (and maybe he does, he IS a straight shooter) of target practicing, you would keep extra ammo in the boxes they come in. Hubby has an ammo budget, he can only spend so much, that crap is expensive. He can tell you exactly how much each bullet cost.

Anywho, GZ was loaded for bear, too bad he got a cub.

I had to take a break, wow, reading through all this gave me a headache. Has all the dump doc for today appeared or is it still being put up?

GZ Feels hard done by thinks events are conspireing agin him....If you expect the world to be fair with you because you are fair, you’re fooling yourself. That’s like expecting the lion not to eat you because you didn’t eat him

Dis wrote:serenaz1~I considered maybe he had those mags when he was booked but the tweet said gun & mags. They took his gun the night of the shooting so either he had those mags on him or he had another gun & brought it with him when he was booked for M2?? Either way, it's odd, we don't have hand guns but I would imagine unless you do a lot (and maybe he does, he IS a straight shooter) of target practicing, you would keep extra ammo in the boxes they come in. Hubby has an ammo budget, he can only spend so much, that crap is expensive. He can tell you exactly how much each bullet cost.

Anywho, GZ was loaded for bear, too bad he got a cub.

Yes, he had another gun by the time he was arrested. A little bit ago, while reading the pdf file, I ran across the items they cataloged when he was arrested. But of course, I can't find it now...grrr! I also need to open it in the real PDF reader instead of my browser, because I'm not getting any page numbers this way.

AUDIO: Transmissions in Trayvon Martin case

Click on the link to play the audio:

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/audio-transmissions-in-trayvon-martin-case/vcmDH/

Hinky Refugee wrote:I skipped down to FBI reports. There are gangs in the area calling themself Goons......in cold weather (these gangs of which there are at least 3 different Goon gangs...wear hoodies.....

this is per GISU...gang intelligience suppression unit

just typing not doing spell checks...too hard to do

BBM.
Wow. That is awfully interesting. Remember the early controversy over whether GZ said "fxxxing coons", and a bunch of people enhanced the call and heard "fxxxing GOONS", then GEORGE (or was it the FBI analyst?) says he said "fxxxing PUNKS?".

Hmmmm. I'm thinking there is a really good chance he DID say "Goons"....as in, the local gangs by that name that wear hoodies. That is just too much of a coincidence.

GZ thought TM was one of the "Goons."

serenaz1 wrote:

Dis wrote:
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Yes, he had another gun by the time he was arrested. A little bit ago, while reading the pdf file, I ran across the items they cataloged when he was arrested. But of course, I can't find it now...grrr! I also need to open it in the real PDF reader instead of my browser, because I'm not getting any page numbers this way.

I do not have page numbers either, but it definitely reads from Officer Smith's statement about what happened after he brought Gz from the scene to the police station...he allowed Gz to go to the bathroom and clean up AND removed the GUN from his holster/side......and placed it in a gun box there in the police station!

Remember the video of them getting George out of the patrol car at the entrance to the station and (sort of as an afterthought patting him down)......THIS is EVIDENCE in a killing! AND the killer was allowed to wear it in a patrol car all the way down to police HQ'er's????? This is way to hinky for me....help someone....

Zimmerman Documents Paint Troubled Picture

July 12, 2012 3:17 PM

~Snipped~

One FDLE report said that Zimmerman had sought to buy a new gun in mid-March. According to a gun store owner, Zimmerman said his life is in danger and he needs more guns, the report stated.

The FBI, as part of a civil rights investigation, interviewed Sgt. Arthur Barns of the Sanford Police Department who said he “believes the African-American Community would be in an ‘uproar’ if Zimmerman is not charged.” Barnes continued saying that he “felt the shooting was not racially motivated, but it was a man shooting an un-armed kid.”

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/07/12/more-documents-to-be-released-in-zimmerman-case/

KZ If it were the case he said goons or Frakin Goons under his breath....When chalenged by L E dureing intrveiw ,,,,What was that you said under your breath....George said Frakin Punks..If it was goons he would have simply said oh we have a street gang opperates in sandford they wear hoodies an calll themselfs GOONS...The F B I was given an agenda .IMO Go iinvestigate this an make sure you diffuse any racial element in this case,,,Find no evidence of GZ being a raceist an sweep under the carpet anything that could prove otherwise...Promote anyone whom says GZ not raceist...An disscredit anyone whom says he was,,,,Powers that be are terrified of civil unrest caused by race issues so they will say there was none.......

Hinky Refugee wrote:

serenaz1 wrote:

Yes, he had another gun by the time he was arrested. A little bit ago, while reading the pdf file, I ran across the items they cataloged when he was arrested. But of course, I can't find it now...grrr! I also need to open it in the real PDF reader instead of my browser, because I'm not getting any page numbers this way.

I do not have page numbers either, but it definitely reads from Officer Smith's statement about what happened after he brought Gz from the scene to the police station...he allowed Gz to go to the bathroom and clean up AND removed the GUN from his holster/side......and placed it in a gun box there in the police station!

Remember the video of them getting George out of the patrol car at the entrance to the station and (sort of as an afterthought patting him down)......THIS is EVIDENCE in a killing! AND the killer was allowed to wear it in a patrol car all the way down to police HQ'er's????? This is way to hinky for me....help someone....

Hmmm, I'm getting confused now, but the part I was talking about is on page 90, regarding his arrest on 4/11. Some of the property listed is the 3 loaded magazines, a 'Herstal'(sp?) pistol & a folding knife, among other things and he'd also rented a Dodge Avenger (appropo since he sees himself as some hero figure).

So George and his 'ex-ho' met a few times during 2010-2011, wonder if Shellie knew about that? George complained that SZ didn't want kids, but he did. (page 143)

KZ wrote:

Hinky Refugee wrote:I skipped down to FBI reports. There are gangs in the area calling themself Goons......in cold weather (these gangs of which there are at least 3 different Goon gangs...wear hoodies.....

this is per GISU...gang intelligience suppression unit

just typing not doing spell checks...too hard to do

BBM.
Wow. That is awfully interesting. Remember the early controversy over whether GZ said "fxxxing coons", and a bunch of people enhanced the call and heard "fxxxing GOONS", then GEORGE (or was it the FBI analyst?) says he said "fxxxing PUNKS?".

Hmmmm. I'm thinking there is a really good chance he DID say "Goons"....as in, the local gangs by that name that wear hoodies. That is just too much of a coincidence.

GZ thought TM was one of the "Goons."

-My personal opinion was that GZ was saying 'Goons', after hearing a stripped MP3 of that portion of the NEN audio.

-right after barn's statement to fbi, 2-3 pages, wendy dorival's, a neighborhood watch volunteer, mentions gang activity but not as a concern for that particular community, but she says the concern in the neighbor was:

"burglaries and kids using a non-gated portion of the community as a walk through".

-She names the gang investigator for Sanford, so there is a gang presence.

ecossie possie wrote:KZ If it were the case he said goons or Frakin Goons under his breath....When chalenged by L E dureing intrveiw ,,,,What was that you said under your breath....George said Frakin Punks..If it was goons he would have simply said oh we have a street gang opperates in sandford they wear hoodies an calll themselfs GOONS...The F B I was given an agenda .IMO Go iinvestigate this an make sure you diffuse any racial element in this case,,,Find no evidence of GZ being a raceist an sweep under the carpet anything that could prove otherwise...Promote anyone whom says GZ not raceist...An disscredit anyone whom says he was,,,,Powers that be are terrified of civil unrest caused by race issues so they will say there was none.......

Great point Ecossie! I breathed a small sigh of relief while reading KZ's post although in my heart I know what I heard, I was whispering f*cking Goons to compare when I saw your comment. It is possible in the moment he was busy mentally covering other areas of the event and missed the opportunity to clarify. Unfortunately for him, it makes him look extremely racist. Also, I don't know how much information he would be privy to involving agencies tracking gang movement. LE usually don't involve civilians in investigations but then again I could see them asking for him to be on the lookout for certain behavior. Everyone wears hoodies though, that information is a little generic. IMO

serenaz1 wrote:

Hinky Refugee wrote:

I do not have page numbers either, but it definitely reads from Officer Smith's statement about what happened after he brought Gz from the scene to the police station...he allowed Gz to go to the bathroom and clean up AND removed the GUN from his holster/side......and placed it in a gun box there in the police station!

Remember the video of them getting George out of the patrol car at the entrance to the station and (sort of as an afterthought patting him down)......THIS is EVIDENCE in a killing! AND the killer was allowed to wear it in a patrol car all the way down to police HQ'er's????? This is way to hinky for me....help someone....

Hmmm, I'm getting confused now, but the part I was talking about is on page 90, regarding his arrest on 4/11. Some of the property listed is the 3 loaded magazines, a 'Herstal'(sp?) pistol & a folding knife, among other things and he'd also rented a Dodge Avenger (appropo since he sees himself as some hero figure). :D

Try page 21 of 284 maybe..of a PDF form. http://www.scribd.com/doc/99916379/Documents-Given-to-the-Defendant-R-1

I am not too good at this pdf stuff.

Hinky Refugee wrote:
Try page 21 of 284 maybe..of a PDF form. http://www.scribd.com/doc/99916379/Documents-Given-to-the-Defendant-R-1

I am not too good at this pdf stuff.

Ok, I see what you're reading, but I think it's just worded weirdly and that they mean that happened out at the scene, as Rescue is mentioned too. I can't imagine that they would've given him his gun back & let him have it on his person in the car & police station.

justanopinion wrote:

Alessandra_Deux wrote:WKMG Local 6 News ‏@clickorlando
George ‪#Zimmerman‬ had handgun and three magazines of ammo when he was booked into Seminole Co Jail. ‪#TrayvonMartin

I find this odd. Why would you leave your home with a handgun in the evening with 3 magazines... was he going to a gunfight at the OK corral... someone please tell GZ that the old west is gone!

George was going to the Target store or target practice??? The guy is such a liar.

New tweet from Jeff Weiner:

State just released a 2nd page of Serino's statement to FBI. Said he thought #GeorgeZimmerman's story seemed "scripted."

Ya think? "he emerged from the darkness..."


more JW tweets:
Serino tells FBI he felt others in SPD were "pressuring" him to charge ‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬. He didn't think he had enough evidence.

Serino says one SPD Sgt. "pressuring" him, Sgt. Barnes, was "friendly" with ‪#TrayvonMartin‬'s father. ‪

Serino also says he talked to sources in white supremacist community. None had heard of ‪#GeorgeZimmerman‬. {they have now and are probably some of the freaks throwing $$$ at him}

alabama52 wrote:

justanopinion wrote:



I find this odd. Why would you leave your home with a handgun in the evening with 3 magazines... was he going to a gunfight at the OK corral... someone please tell GZ that the old west is gone!

George was going to the Target store or target practice??? The guy is such a liar.

LOL, well he is a big old liar, but the handgun w/3 magazines is what he had on him when *arrested*, not the night he killed Trayvon.

Since the police didn't impound his vehicle that night, we'll never know what he had with him, dammit.

serenaz1 wrote:

Hinky Refugee wrote:
Try page 21 of 284 maybe..of a PDF form. http://www.scribd.com/doc/99916379/Documents-Given-to-the-Defendant-R-1

I am not too good at this pdf stuff.

Ok, I see what you're reading, but I think it's just worded weirdly and that they mean that happened out at the scene, as Rescue is mentioned too. I can't imagine that they would've given him his gun back & let him have it on his person in the car & police station.

It's on page 24 from Officer Smith and it is definitely at the police HQ'er's that they are saying Officer Smith took the gun from Gz...unless I am just totally whacky....look @ page 24 lol...it's about Officer Smith bringing him to HQ'er's and its in 2/2 paragraphs. Tell me I ain't crazy :)

Serino's FBI Interview:

https://www.scribd.com/doc/99942204/Serino-s-FBI-Interview-2-Pges-1

Hinky Refugee wrote:

serenaz1 wrote:

Ok, I see what you're reading, but I think it's just worded weirdly and that they mean that happened out at the scene, as Rescue is mentioned too. I can't imagine that they would've given him his gun back & let him have it on his person in the car & police station.

It's on page 24 from Officer Smith and it is definitely at the police HQ'er's that they are saying Officer Smith took the gun from Gz...unless I am just totally whacky....look @ page 24 lol...it's about Officer Smith bringing him to HQ'er's and its in 2/2 paragraphs. Tell me I ain't crazy :)

You're not crazy, but I thought I remembered reading that they took the gun from him at the scene, even though this statement is worded weirdly.

I just noticed this is also the part where his wallet with the concealed carry permit is mentioned...

You know how sometimes your brain just leaves town and goes on vacation without you....well, I was reading about the gun and 3 magazines.....I'm thinking playboy, maxim etic. then I read further and realized it was ammo. I really do need a vacation.