George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin Case -- General Discussion #8

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I'm going to puke. BDLR states passionately "to try the case before a jury!"

The MEDIA and Crump Team have already tried it in the Court of public opinion. The Crump Team can't be made to shut up, he's here to spew to any microphone put in front of him. imho.

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Denies motion to modify conditions of release.

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Tamta wrote:Denies motion to modify conditions of release.

I thought it would be denied, but, imo, it is the least important of all the MOTIONS filed.

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art tart wrote:I'm going to puke. BDLR states passionately "to try the case before a jury!"

The MEDIA and Crump Team have already tried it in the Court of public opinion. The Crump Team can't be made to shut up, he's here to spew to any microphone put in front of him. imho.

Crump is not the attorney who is prosecuting the case and does not work for the State, he is the lawyer for Trayvon Martin's family. He can speak to the media on behalf of the victim's family as much as O'Mara does on behalf of client.

There are 6 MORE MOTIONS! Get to it!

Nelson through denying motion for clarification, makes finding that LEster's order restricting contact to other witness is only limited to contact with Martin's family.

Defense appears to only seek clarification on that apparently to make sure his contact with other witnesses (like his family or associations) is lawful.

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Docket Sounding moved to 8 January.
Recess.

Alessandra_Deux wrote:

art tart wrote:I'm going to puke. BDLR states passionately "to try the case before a jury!"

The MEDIA and Crump Team have already tried it in the Court of public opinion. The Crump Team can't be made to shut up, he's here to spew to any microphone put in front of him. imho.

Crump is not the attorney who is prosecuting the case and does not work for the State, he is the lawyer for Trayvon Martin's family. He can speak to the media on behalf of the victims family as much as O'Mara does on behalf of client.

Alessandra - JUST TO CLARIFY - every single person knows this. It is insulting that you think you have to explain to me or anyone else who Crump is and who he works for. WE ALL KNOW! The FACT is: Crump Team has given non stop MEDIA Blitz tainting the jury pool. BDLR whines about trying it in front of a jury, but until the "Families Handler's" stop trying it in the Court of public opinion, nothing changes.

The information comes out due to the Sunshine Laws, as pointed out to you yesterday, West NOR MOM are responsible for that, if BDLR doesn't like it, too bad.

imo, it's ludicrous to compare MOM talking to the MEDIA to Crump continually referring to GZ as a racist murderer. Everybody gets its, The Crump Team have an agenda, they will taint the jury pool until the jury is selected. If that didn't lie it wouldn't be so bad, but they do. over and over and over. Seems just about everybody gets that but you.

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Mark NeJames joins Channel 13 news for commentary on GZ Case.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2012/12/george-zimmerman-mark-nejame-joins-news-13.html

Did anyone hear when Judge N is going to rule on the other 6 motions?

art tart wrote:

Alessandra_Deux wrote:

Crump is not the attorney who is prosecuting the case and does not work for the State, he is the lawyer for Trayvon Martin's family. He can speak to the media on behalf of the victims family as much as O'Mara does on behalf of client.

Alessandra - JUST TO CLARIFY - every single person knows this. It is insulting that you think you have to explain to me or anyone else who Crump is and who he works for. WE ALL KNOW! The FACT is: Crump Team has given non stop MEDIA Blitz tainting the jury pool. BDLR whines about trying it in front of a jury, but until the "Families Handler's" stop trying it in the Court of public opinion, nothing changes.

The information comes out due to the Sunshine Laws, as pointed out to you yesterday, West NOR MOM are responsible for that, if BDLR doesn't like it, too bad.

imo, it's ludicrous to compare MOM talking to the MEDIA to Crump continually referring to GZ as a racist murderer. Everybody gets its, The Crump Team have an agenda, they will taint the jury pool until the jury is selected. If that didn't lie it wouldn't be so bad, but they do. over and over and over. Seems just about everybody gets that but you.

"Crump Team have an agenda, they will taint the jury pool until the jury is selected".

What do you think O'Mara is doing by trying his case in the media?

Alessandra shared:

"Crump Team have an agenda, they will taint the jury pool until the jury is selected".

What do you think O'Mara is doing by trying his case in the media?

Alessandra - MOM has not tried the case in the MEDIA. If you are confusing the suit filed against NBC as MOM trying the case in the media, that is incorrect and you know that. If you are unhappy as Kimmy is that MOTIONS filed by the Defense are reported in the MEDIA, you know better than that. ALL of that information is released due to the SUNSHINE Laws.

The suit filed against NBC is to shut down the irresponsible reporting that has gone on in this case and the misrepresentation of the facts. It also put other irresponsible media outlets on notice it isn't going to be tolerated.

MOM doesn't make MEDIA Blitzs NOR does he LIE on National TV, but endless recordings of the Crump Team are all over YouTube. In fact, BDLR wanted a GAG order to include Crump Team but that would never work, Crump Team would just send out Tracy/Sabrina to do their bidding, just like Mark NeJames accused Cindy Anthony of, "doing the bidding for Casey's defense."

Alessandra_Deux wrote:

art tart wrote:

Alessandra - JUST TO CLARIFY - every single person knows this. It is insulting that you think you have to explain to me or anyone else who Crump is and who he works for. WE ALL KNOW! The FACT is: Crump Team has given non stop MEDIA Blitz tainting the jury pool. BDLR whines about trying it in front of a jury, but until the "Families Handler's" stop trying it in the Court of public opinion, nothing changes.

The information comes out due to the Sunshine Laws, as pointed out to you yesterday, West NOR MOM are responsible for that, if BDLR doesn't like it, too bad.

imo, it's ludicrous to compare MOM talking to the MEDIA to Crump continually referring to GZ as a racist murderer. Everybody gets its, The Crump Team have an agenda, they will taint the jury pool until the jury is selected. If that didn't lie it wouldn't be so bad, but they do. over and over and over. Seems just about everybody gets that but you.

"Crump Team have an agenda, they will taint the jury pool until the jury is selected".

What do you think O'Mara is doing by trying his case in the media?

Balance the prejudicial influences of the falsehoods put forth by Martin family handlers while maintaining adherence to ethics rules.

art tart wrote:

Alessandra shared:

"Crump Team have an agenda, they will taint the jury pool until the jury is selected".

What do you think O'Mara is doing by trying his case in the media?

Alessandra - MOM has not tried the case in the MEDIA. If you are confusing the suit filed against NBC as MOM trying the case in the media, that is incorrect and you know that. If you are unhappy as Kimmy is that MOTIONS filed by the Defense are reported in the MEDIA, you know better than that. ALL of that information is released due to the SUNSHINE Laws.

The suit filed against NBC is to shut down the irresponsible reporting that has gone on in this case and the misrepresentation of the facts. It also put other irresponsible media outlets it isn't going to be tolerated.

MOM doesn't make MEDIA Blitzs NOR does he LIE on National TV, but endless recordings of the Crump Team are all over YouTube. In fact, BDLR wanted a GAG order to include Crump Team but that would never work, Crump Team would just send out Tracy/Sabrina to do their bidding, just like Mark NeJames accused Cindy Anthony of, "doing the bidding for Casey's defense."

Where is the motion for a gag order filed by the prosecution that included "Crump Team"?

Crump is not a party in the trial.

I had to laugh today when MOM referred to Crump team as the "Family Handler's." I was surprised to hear BDLR CALL Trayvon, "a young man." (not a teenager!)

Alessandra_Deux wrote:

art tart wrote:

Alessandra - MOM has not tried the case in the MEDIA. If you are confusing the suit filed against NBC as MOM trying the case in the media, that is incorrect and you know that. If you are unhappy as Kimmy is that MOTIONS filed by the Defense are reported in the MEDIA, you know better than that. ALL of that information is released due to the SUNSHINE Laws.

The suit filed against NBC is to shut down the irresponsible reporting that has gone on in this case and the misrepresentation of the facts. It also put other irresponsible media outlets it isn't going to be tolerated.

MOM doesn't make MEDIA Blitzs NOR does he LIE on National TV, but endless recordings of the Crump Team are all over YouTube. In fact, BDLR wanted a GAG order to include Crump Team but that would never work, Crump Team would just send out Tracy/Sabrina to do their bidding, just like Mark NeJames accused Cindy Anthony of, "doing the bidding for Casey's defense."

Where is the motion for a gag order filed by the prosecution that included "Crump Team"?

Crump is not a party in the trial.

You can look it up yourself. BDLR wanted the GAG order to include all attorney's.

Freckles, I want to thank you for your recaps. You are the only one I know who could keep up with this. Amazing typist!

And I appreciate that you avoided adding commentary of your own. There is plenty of time to do that afterwards...and you know we will.

art tart wrote:

Alessandra_Deux wrote:


Where is the motion for a gag order filed by the prosecution that included "Crump Team"?

Crump is not a party in the trial.

You can look it up yourself. BDLR wanted the GAG order to include all attorney's.

I thought that Lester did indeed make that ruling to include all. Early on. Need a nap before work. Will look for it later.

art tart wrote:

Alessandra_Deux wrote:


Where is the motion for a gag order filed by the prosecution that included "Crump Team"?

Crump is not a party in the trial.

You can look it up yourself. BDLR wanted the GAG order to include all attorney's.

"All attorneys" as in the attorneys for the prosecution and the attorneys for the defense, both parties involved in the trial.

"A judge has refused the prosecution's request and will not issue a gag order on those involved in the George Zimmerman murder trial." (April 27) Associated Press.

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State's Memorandum in Support of 2nd Motion for Gag Order

10/26/12

http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/State's%20Memorandum%20in%20Support%20of%202nd%20Motion%20for%20Gag%20Order.pdf

Alessandra_Deux wrote:

art tart wrote:

You can look it up yourself. BDLR wanted the GAG order to include all attorney's.

"All attorneys" as in the attorneys for the prosecution and the attorneys for the defense, both parties involved in the trial.

"A judge has refused the prosecution's request and will not issue a gag order on those involved in the George Zimmerman murder trial."] (April 27) Associated Press.

Again Alessandra, every single person knows there is not likely to be a GAG order after BDLR's 2 failed attempts, unless BDLR tries for a 3rd time. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS that post comments on this thread!

You can assume Alessandra that most on this thread have the same knowledge you do.

DebFrmHell wrote:

art tart wrote:

You can look it up yourself. BDLR wanted the GAG order to include all attorney's.

I thought that Lester did indeed make that ruling to include all. Early on. Need a nap before work. Will look for it later.

April 30 Lester put ALL attorneys connected to this case on alert in regard to their
Public comments about this case.

That order has been posted here on this thread at least 3 times.

It's also filed with the court and available to view on line.

That order would extend to Crump as well, as it does not specify only attorneys representing in the case.

See item 2 to clarify the scope of who the order addresses.

http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/order%20on%20media%20requests.pdf

art tart wrote:

Alessandra_Deux wrote:

"All attorneys" as in the attorneys for the prosecution and the attorneys for the defense, both parties involved in the trial.

"A judge has refused the prosecution's request and will not issue a gag order on those involved in the George Zimmerman murder trial."] (April 27) Associated Press.

Again Alessandra, every single person knows there is not likely to be a GAG order after BDLR's 2 failed attempts, unless BDLR tries for a 3rd time. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS that post comments on this thread!

You can assume Alessandra that most on this thread have the same knowledge you do.

The argument has nothing to do with how much knowledge or how much information someone has about this case, that isn't the point of what is being discussed.

Alessandra_Deux wrote:

art tart wrote:

You can look it up yourself. BDLR wanted the GAG order to include all attorney's.

"All attorneys" as in the attorneys for the prosecution and the attorneys for the defense, both parties involved in the trial.

"A judge has refused the prosecution's request and will not issue a gag order on those involved in the George Zimmerman murder trial." (April 27) Associated Press.

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State's Memorandum in Support of 2nd Motion for Gag Order

10/26/12

http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/State's%20Memorandum%20in%20Support%20of%202nd%20Motion%20for%20Gag%20Order.pdf

You're incorrect or skewing the issue.


The gag order would have applied to ALL attorneys in the case, it was denied but Lester still put ALL attorneys on notice for conduct resulting in prejudice against the case.

That includes the families' attorneys.

Alessandra_Deux wrote:

art tart wrote:

Again Alessandra, every single person knows there is not likely to be a GAG order after BDLR's 2 failed attempts, unless BDLR tries for a 3rd time. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS that post comments on this thread!

You can assume Alessandra that most on this thread have the same knowledge you do.

The argument has nothing to do with how much knowledge or how much information someone has about this case, that isn't the point of what is being discussed.

The point is: You continue to point out information every single person on this thread knows. Every single person knows Crump works for the family, you continue to state this in your comments. Every single person that is offended by the racist name calling of Trump and Company UNDERSTAND you support the family handler's and see nothing wrong with it. We all get it. SO! If everyone knows the same as you do, I guess there is no reason to continue to point out Crump's job, everybody knows what his job is and that includes you.

Tamta wrote:

Alessandra_Deux wrote:

"All attorneys" as in the attorneys for the prosecution and the attorneys for the defense, both parties involved in the trial.

"A judge has refused the prosecution's request and will not issue a gag order on those involved in the George Zimmerman murder trial." (April 27) Associated Press.

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State's Memorandum in Support of 2nd Motion for Gag Order

10/26/12

http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/State's%20Memorandum%20in%20Support%20of%202nd%20Motion%20for%20Gag%20Order.pdf

You're incorrect or skewing the issue.


The gag order would have applied to ALL attorneys in the case, it was denied but Lester still put ALL attorneys on notice for conduct resulting in prejudice against the case.

That includes the families' attorneys.

Thank you Tamta, I wasn't going to waste my time looking for the youtube video, I saw the hearing.

DebFrmHell wrote:

art tart wrote:

You can look it up yourself. BDLR wanted the GAG order to include all attorney's.

I thought that Lester did indeed make that ruling to include all. Early on. Need a nap before work. Will look for it later.

DebFrmHell- Judge L DID issue a warning to ALL the attorney's including Crump. I too saw the hearing.

If you miss something and aren't keeping up, demanding someone provide you with the informationthat is 7 months old is a long time i UNLESS the link is readily available, that's not a problem, but asking someone to go back 7 months to provide something, imo, is too long, especially when it isn't easily available without researching countless you tube videos. imho.

art tart wrote:

Alessandra shared:

"Crump Team have an agenda, they will taint the jury pool until the jury is selected".

What do you think O'Mara is doing by trying his case in the media?

Alessandra - MOM has not tried the case in the MEDIA. If you are confusing the suit filed against NBC as MOM trying the case in the media, that is incorrect and you know that. If you are unhappy as Kimmy is that MOTIONS filed by the Defense are reported in the MEDIA, you know better than that. ALL of that information is released due to the SUNSHINE Laws.

The suit filed against NBC is to shut down the irresponsible reporting that has gone on in this case and the misrepresentation of the facts. It also put other irresponsible media outlets on notice it isn't going to be tolerated.

MOM doesn't make MEDIA Blitzs NOR does he LIE on National TV, but endless recordings of the Crump Team are all over YouTube. In fact, BDLR wanted a GAG order to include Crump Team but that would never work, Crump Team would just send out Tracy/Sabrina to do their bidding, just like Mark NeJames accused Cindy Anthony of, "doing the bidding for Casey's defense."

Just to set the record straight...
Kimmy was unhappy with the way the motion was WRITTEN.
When I first compared it with the actual 911 call transcript it appeared MOM 'EDITED' the 911 call in HIS MOTION like NBC did, which is what GZ's CIVIL lawsuit is ABOUT. I didn't know my computer was skipping pages as I was trying to scroll and compare the two.

Kimmy is quite happy about several points BDLR raised today during the hearing...
Which is WHY I have a problem giving GZ the 'benefit of the doubt' thus far.
(As some have said I have already convicted GZ, sorry, I have a problem believing GZ due to his LIES).

Some parts below respectfully snipped from Freckles above post, THANK YOU!
State addressing court:
--- lied @ ability to raise money;
--- lied about a second passport which he instructed his wife to get from a lock box;
---defendant and wife lied to court, asking bond revoked; court raised the bond and restricted movement due to credibility;

---defendant said he is scared, its unsafe, but he enters the court from the from door?

---Two judges have determined probable case; defense states they have other witnesses, info, but neglect to inform the court the witness spoke to state and the statements were DIFFERENT than what defense is now maintaining;

State:
--- where is the evidence GZ DID have a broken nose? States he "may" have a broken nose. No x-rays for evidence.
--- racist comments: Witnesses 9 stated GZ did make racist comments and his own fb states he doesn't like Mexicans;
---Court needs to be attending to what has changed; shouldn't the court be aware of where GZ if there are actual threats? Is that true? If so, why enter court through the front door? Why give all these autographs? Why all the security issues? If there are security issues, why allow defendant to wander about the state?

AND THE BEST PART (IMO) TODAY...
State:
---Recently, Jose Baez submitted info to the state re drafts of supplemental reports of Serino; first two drafts; email exchanges

--- filing charges under --- 2nd degree for GMZ
---last report states manslaughter

IMO IMO-Could this be WHY Serino Lawyered UP???
Looks like Coryey may not have been the only one to think GZ should be charged 2nd Degree...IMO

Some of ABOVE snipped from Freckles...THANK YOU!
Kimmy K now needs to go get a few things done besides spending my day arguing this case.
Have a GREAT day!

Kimmy - I got it the first time, I understood what you were saying.

Anyone that watched KC's trial and followed it, knows Baez is notorious for typos, filing things late, misrepresenting facts to the court, and LOL, saying 2 different things. Baez is a real screw up when it comes to Court Filings, hopefully they get it straightened out.

I had never heard anyone from Sanford thought the case was possibly a 2nd degree murder case, I bet BDLR prayed someone did think that. It was my impression Serino thought it might have been a "manslaughter case" but not enough evidence to charge. I guess we will see what comes out in his deposition. MURKY at best imo.

Kimmy - maybe Serino lawyered up because some legal analyst think Angela Corey is going to throw Sanford LE under the bus and he just wanted his rights protected. IDK.

art tart wrote:

Tamta wrote:

You're incorrect or skewing the issue.


The gag order would have applied to ALL attorneys in the case, it was denied but Lester still put ALL attorneys on notice for conduct resulting in prejudice against the case.

That includes the families' attorneys.

Thank you Tamta, I wasn't going to waste my time looking for the youtube video, I saw the hearing.

Welcome.

My comment came from Lester's 27 April order which specifically states ALL attorneys and he clarifies that by citing family attorneys as well.

His orders still stand as no one has moved to have any of his orders stricken and Nelson continually upholds his findings.

KimmyK wrote:

art tart wrote:

Alessandra - MOM has not tried the case in the MEDIA. If you are confusing the suit filed against NBC as MOM trying the case in the media, that is incorrect and you know that. If you are unhappy as Kimmy is that MOTIONS filed by the Defense are reported in the MEDIA, you know better than that. ALL of that information is released due to the SUNSHINE Laws.

The suit filed against NBC is to shut down the irresponsible reporting that has gone on in this case and the misrepresentation of the facts. It also put other irresponsible media outlets on notice it isn't going to be tolerated.

MOM doesn't make MEDIA Blitzs NOR does he LIE on National TV, but endless recordings of the Crump Team are all over YouTube. In fact, BDLR wanted a GAG order to include Crump Team but that would never work, Crump Team would just send out Tracy/Sabrina to do their bidding, just like Mark NeJames accused Cindy Anthony of, "doing the bidding for Casey's defense."

Just to set the record straight...
Kimmy was unhappy with the way the motion was WRITTEN.
When I first compared it with the actual 911 call transcript it appeared MOM 'EDITED' the 911 call in HIS MOTION like NBC did, which is what GZ's CIVIL lawsuit is ABOUT. I didn't know my computer was skipping pages as I was trying to scroll and compare the two.

Kimmy is quite happy about several points BDLR raised today during the hearing...
Which is WHY I have a problem giving GZ the 'benefit of the doubt' thus far.
(As some have said I have already convicted GZ, sorry, I have a problem believing GZ due to his LIES).

Some parts below respectfully snipped from Freckles above post, THANK YOU!
State addressing court:
--- lied @ ability to raise money;
--- lied about a second passport which he instructed his wife to get from a lock box;
---defendant and wife lied to court, asking bond revoked; court raised the bond and restricted movement due to credibility;

---defendant said he is scared, its unsafe, but he enters the court from the from door?

---Two judges have determined probable case; defense states they have other witnesses, info, but neglect to inform the court the witness spoke to state and the statements were DIFFERENT than what defense is now maintaining;

State:
--- where is the evidence GZ DID have a broken nose? States he "may" have a broken nose. No x-rays for evidence.
--- racist comments: Witnesses 9 stated GZ did make racist comments and his own fb states he doesn't like Mexicans;
---Court needs to be attending to what has changed; shouldn't the court be aware of where GZ if there are actual threats? Is that true? If so, why enter court through the front door? Why give all these autographs? Why all the security issues? If there are security issues, why allow defendant to wander about the state?

AND THE BEST PART (IMO) TODAY...
State:
---Recently, Jose Baez submitted info to the state re drafts of supplemental reports of Serino; first two drafts; email exchanges

--- filing charges under --- 2nd degree for GMZ
---last report states manslaughter

IMO IMO-Could this be WHY Serino Lawyered UP???
Looks like Coryey may not have been the only one to think GZ should be charged 2nd Degree...IMO

Some of ABOVE snipped from Freckles...THANK YOU!
Kimmy K now needs to go get a few things done besides spending my day arguing this case.
Have a GREAT day!

Why are you using third person limited voice when you comment?

GZ Court Docs

http://www.flcourts18.org/presspublic.html
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For fact checking and clarification

Alessandra, Just to clarify Tamta has provided the information to you!

My comment came from Lester's 27 April order which specifically states ALL attorneys and he clarifies that by citing family attorneys as well.

His orders still stand as no one has moved to have any of his orders stricken and Nelson continually upholds his findings.

Everyone should now be on the same page as far as the HANDLER'S of Sabrina and Tracey.

KimmyK wrote:

art tart wrote:

Alessandra - MOM has not tried the case in the MEDIA. If you are confusing the suit filed against NBC as MOM trying the case in the media, that is incorrect and you know that. If you are unhappy as Kimmy is that MOTIONS filed by the Defense are reported in the MEDIA, you know better than that. ALL of that information is released due to the SUNSHINE Laws.

The suit filed against NBC is to shut down the irresponsible reporting that has gone on in this case and the misrepresentation of the facts. It also put other irresponsible media outlets on notice it isn't going to be tolerated.

MOM doesn't make MEDIA Blitzs NOR does he LIE on National TV, but endless recordings of the Crump Team are all over YouTube. In fact, BDLR wanted a GAG order to include Crump Team but that would never work, Crump Team would just send out Tracy/Sabrina to do their bidding, just like Mark NeJames accused Cindy Anthony of, "doing the bidding for Casey's defense."

Just to set the record straight...
Kimmy was unhappy with the way the motion was WRITTEN.
When I first compared it with the actual 911 call transcript it appeared MOM 'EDITED' the 911 call in HIS MOTION like NBC did, which is what GZ's CIVIL lawsuit is ABOUT. I didn't know my computer was skipping pages as I was trying to scroll and compare the two.

Kimmy is quite happy about several points BDLR raised today during the hearing...
Which is WHY I have a problem giving GZ the 'benefit of the doubt' thus far.
(As some have said I have already convicted GZ, sorry, I have a problem believing GZ due to his LIES).

Some parts below respectfully snipped from Freckles above post, THANK YOU!
State addressing court:
--- lied @ ability to raise money;
--- lied about a second passport which he instructed his wife to get from a lock box;
---defendant and wife lied to court, asking bond revoked; court raised the bond and restricted movement due to credibility;

---defendant said he is scared, its unsafe, but he enters the court from the from door?

---Two judges have determined probable case; defense states they have other witnesses, info, but neglect to inform the court the witness spoke to state and the statements were DIFFERENT than what defense is now maintaining;

State:
--- where is the evidence GZ DID have a broken nose? States he "may" have a broken nose. No x-rays for evidence.
--- racist comments: Witnesses 9 stated GZ did make racist comments and his own fb states he doesn't like Mexicans;
---Court needs to be attending to what has changed; shouldn't the court be aware of where GZ if there are actual threats? Is that true? If so, why enter court through the front door? Why give all these autographs? Why all the security issues? If there are security issues, why allow defendant to wander about the state?

AND THE BEST PART (IMO) TODAY...
State:
---Recently, Jose Baez submitted info to the state re drafts of supplemental reports of Serino; first two drafts; email exchanges

--- filing charges under --- 2nd degree for GMZ
---last report states manslaughter

IMO IMO-Could this be WHY Serino Lawyered UP???
Looks like Coryey may not have been the only one to think GZ should be charged 2nd Degree...IMO

Some of ABOVE snipped from Freckles...THANK YOU!
Kimmy K now needs to go get a few things done besides spending my day arguing this case.
Have a GREAT day!

KimmyK,

Thank you for further stressing the points that were made today by the prosecution. It was quite an interesting hearing.

KimmyK wrote:

art tart wrote:

Alessandra - MOM has not tried the case in the MEDIA. If you are confusing the suit filed against NBC as MOM trying the case in the media, that is incorrect and you know that. If you are unhappy as Kimmy is that MOTIONS filed by the Defense are reported in the MEDIA, you know better than that. ALL of that information is released due to the SUNSHINE Laws.

The suit filed against NBC is to shut down the irresponsible reporting that has gone on in this case and the misrepresentation of the facts. It also put other irresponsible media outlets on notice it isn't going to be tolerated.

MOM doesn't make MEDIA Blitzs NOR does he LIE on National TV, but endless recordings of the Crump Team are all over YouTube. In fact, BDLR wanted a GAG order to include Crump Team but that would never work, Crump Team would just send out Tracy/Sabrina to do their bidding, just like Mark NeJames accused Cindy Anthony of, "doing the bidding for Casey's defense."

Just to set the record straight...
Kimmy was unhappy with the way the motion was WRITTEN.
When I first compared it with the actual 911 call transcript it appeared MOM 'EDITED' the 911 call in HIS MOTION like NBC did, which is what GZ's CIVIL lawsuit is ABOUT. I didn't know my computer was skipping pages as I was trying to scroll and compare the two.

Kimmy is quite happy about several points BDLR raised today during the hearing...
Which is WHY I have a problem giving GZ the 'benefit of the doubt' thus far.
(As some have said I have already convicted GZ, sorry, I have a problem believing GZ due to his LIES).

Some parts below respectfully snipped from Freckles above post, THANK YOU!
State addressing court:
--- lied @ ability to raise money;
--- lied about a second passport which he instructed his wife to get from a lock box;
---defendant and wife lied to court, asking bond revoked; court raised the bond and restricted movement due to credibility;

---defendant said he is scared, its unsafe, but he enters the court from the from door?

---Two judges have determined probable case; defense states they have other witnesses, info, but neglect to inform the court the witness spoke to state and the statements were DIFFERENT than what defense is now maintaining;

State:
--- where is the evidence GZ DID have a broken nose? States he "may" have a broken nose. No x-rays for evidence.
--- racist comments: Witnesses 9 stated GZ did make racist comments and his own fb states he doesn't like Mexicans;
---Court needs to be attending to what has changed; shouldn't the court be aware of where GZ if there are actual threats? Is that true? If so, why enter court through the front door? Why give all these autographs? Why all the security issues? If there are security issues, why allow defendant to wander about the state?

AND THE BEST PART (IMO) TODAY...
State:
---Recently, Jose Baez submitted info to the state re drafts of supplemental reports of Serino; first two drafts; email exchanges

--- filing charges under --- 2nd degree for GMZ
---last report states manslaughter

IMO IMO-Could this be WHY Serino Lawyered UP???
Looks like Coryey may not have been the only one to think GZ should be charged 2nd Degree...IMO

Some of ABOVE snipped from Freckles...THANK YOU!
Kimmy K now needs to go get a few things done besides spending my day arguing this case.
Have a GREAT day!

(Red Bolded By Me)

Great day for the Prosecution?
Which hearing were you watching?

A few quick points.

1. As stated above, they missed deadlines to have their pleadings considered today.

2. It is false to say that Zimmerman lied about the funds, and totally erroneous for anyone and especially BDLR, who knows that fact, to assert that he did. Zimmerman NEVER testified about those funds and you may just have to review those videos of that hearing to clarify for yourself, and send them to BDLR too.

3. Answering to the Court that Zimmerman wants to modify the conditions of his release so he can travel around to give autographs is just a ludicrous statement and clearly shows that BDLR had no credible argument to make, and Nelson was not deciding to uphold LEster's order based on that ridiculous yelling act he was putting on at that moment.

4. It seems to escape some that the fact that we learn about Manslaughter charge in a final draft of Serino's recommendation (that he said was made under pressure) was a quiet by-the-way-drop from BDLR. Disclosing this type of information in this way is a strategic move on his part- to soften it before it is released from the details of Serino's deposition by the defense. It seems that the State is waking up to the fact that they are unable to control the flow of information in a the way they have previously thought. Again, like the O'Connor-Erwin matter and several others.

5. Lastly, the new red herring put forth by BDLR about the possibility of additional voice(s) screaming for help is simply his attempt to skirt the issue of a Brady violation and also completely betrays his skewing of the issue in which action under Brady is sought:

BDLR: “If it is George’s voice on the tape, it is the state’s position that it implicates him and is therefore not Brady material?”


The issue is not about who else or what else is on the tape, it is about the witness testimony of additional individuals who were in the room who saw and heard Tracy Martin listen to the tape and say that it was not his son screaming for help. That is what Brady would apply to.

6. The State has to apprise the Defense of any additional witnesses that say it was not Trayvon screaming for help, but they do not have to share knowledge of witnesses who did identify Trayvon as screaming for help on the tape. (Setting up added road blocks around Witness 8 most likely.)

Again, I can not see any legal or rhetorical mastery on the behalf of BDLR, or that the State 'won' anything.

DebFrmHell wrote:Freckles, I want to thank you for your recaps. You are the only one I know who could keep up with this. Amazing typist!

And I appreciate that you avoided adding commentary of your own. There is plenty of time to do that afterwards...and you know we will.

You're most welcome.
I wish I could have been more complete and captured it all.
Spelling slows me down! lol
As for opinion, didn't have the time or the inclination.
In fact, I had just pulled up the link and court was in session!
It was split second to decided to try to capture some of it for later readers.

If it is of use, even temporary, good.

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I too didn't see anything special about the hearing today except BDLR now claiming or trying to promote maybe a second voice on the tape, but, he has to prove that, Diane Tennis, analyst made the same statement.

Tamta said:
Answering to the Court that Zimmerman wants to modify the conditions of his release so he can travel around to give autographs is just a ludicrous statement and clearly shows that BDLR had no credible argument to make, and Nelson was not deciding to uphold LEster's order based on that ridiculous yelling act he was putting on at that moment.

I agree, I thought that Judge N left Judge L's ruling in place, she didn't see any reason to change it, I agree about BDLR's performance, the flailing of the arms was more theatrics and his argument lite on credibility and substance. autographs? LMAO, this is someone paying for security people to protect himself and Shellie and BDLR suggests GZ wants to make an autograph blitz.

The important MOTIONS were not decided today, I really miss Judge Perry from KC's case when you could expect the MOTIONS to be ruled on and published in a week. Dragging these decisions out prevents the Defense from getting needed information, I'd be surprised if the Court Date for the Trial isn't moved.

Tampta shared:
It seems to escape some that the fact that we learn about Manslaughter charge in a final draft of Serino's recommendation (that he said was made under pressure) was a quiet by-the-way-drop from BDLR. Disclosing this type of information in this way is a strategic move on his part- to soften it before it is released from the details of Serino's deposition by the defense. It seems that the State is waking up to the fact that they are unable to control the flow of information in a the way they have previously thought. Again, like the O'Connor-Erwin matter and several others.

imo, BDLR/Corey aren't going to be able to control the flow of information and although some analyst predict they will try to throw Sanford LE under the bus, some may not cooperate. Serino is a good example.

I too don't think the State is going to be able to contain the cluster brewing w/Crump, DeeDee, and others, the edited tape, etc. after all the depositions are taken, how will they compare? The State can't control it EVEN IF they meet with DeeDee off the record st Sabrina's home, prep her, etc., then have BDLR lead her through her testimony.

Of course DeeDee may be 19 yrs. old by the time the Defense FINALLY gets the original, unedited, audio with the chain of custody documents. The lack of cooperation in this matter is highly suspicious, or why be an ass and refuse to cooperate? It's petty and unprofessional imo..

art tart wrote:I too didn't see anything special about the hearing today except BDLR now claiming or trying to promote maybe a second voice on the tape, but, he has to prove that, Diane Tennis, analyst made the same statement.

Tamta said:
Answering to the Court that Zimmerman wants to modify the conditions of his release so he can travel around to give autographs is just a ludicrous statement and clearly shows that BDLR had no credible argument to make, and Nelson was not deciding to uphold LEster's order based on that ridiculous yelling act he was putting on at that moment.

I agree, I thought that Judge N left Judge L's ruling in place, she didn't see any reason to change it, I agree about BDLR's performance, the flailing of the arms was more theatrics and his argument lite on credibility and substance. autographs? LMAO, this is someone paying for security people to protect himself and Shellie and BDLR suggests GZ wants to make an autograph blitz.

The important MOTIONS were not decided today, I really miss Judge Perry from KC's case when you could expect the MOTIONS to be ruled on and published in a week. Dragging these decisions out prevents the Defense from getting needed information, I'd be surprised if the Court Date for the Trial isn't moved.

Tampta shared:
It seems to escape some that the fact that we learn about Manslaughter charge in a final draft of Serino's recommendation (that he said was made under pressure) was a quiet by-the-way-drop from BDLR. Disclosing this type of information in this way is a strategic move on his part- to soften it before it is released from the details of Serino's deposition by the defense. It seems that the State is waking up to the fact that they are unable to control the flow of information in a the way they have previously thought. Again, like the O'Connor-Erwin matter and several others.

imo, BDLR/Corey aren't going to be able to control the flow of information and although some analyst predict they will try to throw Sanford LE under the bus, some may not cooperate. Serino is a good example.

I too don't think the State is going to be able to contain the cluster brewing w/Crump, DeeDee, and others, the edited tape, etc. after all the depositions are taken, how will they compare? The State can't control it EVEN IF they meet with DeeDee off the record st Sabrina's home, prep her, etc., then have BDLR lead her through her testimony.

Of course DeeDee may be 19 yrs. old by the time the Defense FINALLY gets the original, unedited, audio with the chain of custody documents. The lack of cooperation in this matter is highly suspicious, or why be an ass and refuse to cooperate? It's petty and unprofessional imo..

Throwing LE under the bus-

I see shades of LE headed for the bus in BDLR already, in regard to the Erwin as witness to Tracy Martin listening to the call.

First BDLR says that Erwin NEVER said that.

Snipped:
In a response Friday, Assistant State's Attorney Bernardo de la Rionda criticized the defense's arguments and said Erwin "never mentioned anything about overhearing Tracy Martin talk about the voice."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/07/justice/florida-zimmerman/

Then BDLR begins to backpedal in his filed answer saying that Erwin never documented that in a report.

Then BDLR says that he apprised the defense of that information in an informal context off the record.

Freckles - shared:
This may answer what is desired from the FBI. More docs like this, reports, etc..

Freckles - are you asking what the Defense needs from the FBI? If so, it is this MOTION:

http://184.172.211.159/~gzdocs/documents/1212/amended_demand_for_specific_discovery_fbi.pdf

Tamta - that is some of the exculpatory information I think MOM is hinting at. The Defense has knowledge merely by accident of information they should have been apprised about but weren't.

imo, I can't see that Corey/BDLR are going to be able to contain the testimony of Sanford LE, especially since MOM/West plan to call some of them at trial. What a mess, it's like a small pull in a sweater, it's little at first, then the whole damn thing slowly unravels. I can't believe Sanford LE is going to lay down for Angela Corey no matter who she threatens, they have no reason to and I don't think they are going to lie for anybody.

Tamta wrote:

art tart wrote:I too didn't see anything special about the hearing today except BDLR now claiming or trying to promote maybe a second voice on the tape, but, he has to prove that, Diane Tennis, analyst made the same statement.



I agree, I thought that Judge N left Judge L's ruling in place, she didn't see any reason to change it, I agree about BDLR's performance, the flailing of the arms was more theatrics and his argument lite on credibility and substance. autographs? LMAO, this is someone paying for security people to protect himself and Shellie and BDLR suggests GZ wants to make an autograph blitz.

The important MOTIONS were not decided today, I really miss Judge Perry from KC's case when you could expect the MOTIONS to be ruled on and published in a week. Dragging these decisions out prevents the Defense from getting needed information, I'd be surprised if the Court Date for the Trial isn't moved.



imo, BDLR/Corey aren't going to be able to control the flow of information and although some analyst predict they will try to throw Sanford LE under the bus, some may not cooperate. Serino is a good example.

I too don't think the State is going to be able to contain the cluster brewing w/Crump, DeeDee, and others, the edited tape, etc. after all the depositions are taken, how will they compare? The State can't control it EVEN IF they meet with DeeDee off the record st Sabrina's home, prep her, etc., then have BDLR lead her through her testimony.

Of course DeeDee may be 19 yrs. old by the time the Defense FINALLY gets the original, unedited, audio with the chain of custody documents. The lack of cooperation in this matter is highly suspicious, or why be an ass and refuse to cooperate? It's petty and unprofessional imo..

Throwing LE under the bus-

I see shades of LE headed for the bus in BDLR already, in regard to the Erwin as witness to Tracy Martin listening to the call.

First BDLR says that Erwin NEVER said that.

Snipped:
In a response Friday, Assistant State's Attorney Bernardo de la Rionda criticized the defense's arguments and said Erwin "never mentioned anything about overhearing Tracy Martin talk about the voice."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/07/justice/florida-zimmerman/

Then BDLR begins to backpedal in his filed answer saying that Erwin never documented that in a report.

Then BDLR says that he apprised the defense of that information in an informal context off the record.

LOL. So that means that along with the SPD, he is going to toss Corey in there as well? She was the one that publicly thanked the SPD for their hard work in their investigation and complimented them on the job well done...

Oh, the delicious irony...

Got to go to work. Called in on day off. Will catch up reading something other than the last two postings when I get home.

art tart wrote:Tampta - that is some of the exculpatory information I think MOM is hinting at. The Defense has knowledge merely by accident of information they should have been apprised about but weren't.

imo, I can't see that Corey/BDLR are going to be able to contain the testimony of Sanford LE, especially since MOM/West plan to call some of them. What a mess, it's like a small pull in a sweater, it's little at first, then the whole damn thing slowly unravels. I can't believe Sanford is going to lay down for Angela Corey no matter who she threatens.

I think we are going to see a lot more of these replays with the defense trying to get the state to admit they possessed exculpatory evidence.

It is a possible defense strategy to get Coreys Affidavit thrown out.

DebFrmHell wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Throwing LE under the bus-

I see shades of LE headed for the bus in BDLR already, in regard to the Erwin as witness to Tracy Martin listening to the call.

First BDLR says that Erwin NEVER said that.

Snipped:
In a response Friday, Assistant State's Attorney Bernardo de la Rionda criticized the defense's arguments and said Erwin "never mentioned anything about overhearing Tracy Martin talk about the voice."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/07/justice/florida-zimmerman/

Then BDLR begins to backpedal in his filed answer saying that Erwin never documented that in a report.

Then BDLR says that he apprised the defense of that information in an informal context off the record.

LOL. So that means that along with the SPD, he is going to toss Corey in there as well? She was the one that publicly thanked the SPD for their hard work in their investigation and complimented them on the job well done...

Oh, the delicious irony...

Got to go to work. Called in on day off. Will catch up reading something other than the last two postings when I get home.

We are going to hear a lot of:

"It was not in their reports".