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I just discovered that a new document was filed with Orange County today by the State.
It has to do with certification of documents from Henkel. It appears the duct tape in question was manufactured in Ohio and was only sold after 2004 for about a year or so in a couple of select stores - Lowe's being one of them. The Certification was filed 9-3-09.
http://www.filedropper.com/henkeldocscertification
Very interesting information........
It has to do with certification of documents from Henkel. It appears the duct tape in question was manufactured in Ohio and was only sold after 2004 for about a year or so in a couple of select stores - Lowe's being one of them. The Certification was filed 9-3-09.
http://www.filedropper.com/henkeldocscertification
Very interesting information........
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Here's the real goods!!!!!!!!
State: Duct Tape In Anthony Case 'Rare'
Prosecution Plans To Link Tape Found On Caylee's Body To Gas Can
Tony Pipitone
POSTED: Thursday, September 3, 2009
UPDATED: 7:35 pm EDT September 3, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Duct tape found both on Caylee Anthony’s body and a gas can found in the Anthony family home is a rare, industrial fire-resistant tape, according to a court filing Thursday by the Orange-Osceola State Attorney’s Office.
And prosecutors said they intend to use the evidence at trial, where they will claim Casey Anthony murdered her daughter and dumped the body -- the rare duct tape still attached to her skull nearly six months later.
Investigators believe both the gas can and the body were at one time in the trunk of Casey Anthony’s car.
The industrial fire-resistant tape, marketed as “Fire Guard DUCK,” was manufactured by Henkel Consumer Adhesives, of Avon, Ohio.
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State: Duct Tape In Anthony Case 'Rare'
Prosecution Plans To Link Tape Found On Caylee's Body To Gas Can
Tony Pipitone
POSTED: Thursday, September 3, 2009
UPDATED: 7:35 pm EDT September 3, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Duct tape found both on Caylee Anthony’s body and a gas can found in the Anthony family home is a rare, industrial fire-resistant tape, according to a court filing Thursday by the Orange-Osceola State Attorney’s Office.
And prosecutors said they intend to use the evidence at trial, where they will claim Casey Anthony murdered her daughter and dumped the body -- the rare duct tape still attached to her skull nearly six months later.
Investigators believe both the gas can and the body were at one time in the trunk of Casey Anthony’s car.
The industrial fire-resistant tape, marketed as “Fire Guard DUCK,” was manufactured by Henkel Consumer Adhesives, of Avon, Ohio.
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This finding pretty much erases any doubts about the duct tape link. This will be one of the many things that helps nail KC. The article states that this duct tape is so rare that there would be about 250,000 to 1 odds of two randomly discovered pieces of duct tape being this same, rare type.
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Oh, my my....... This is the best news for the State in a long time..... and the WORST news for the defense!!
Now I'm really banking on this industrial strength duct tape holding one of more of KC's fingerprints!!!
Now I'm really banking on this industrial strength duct tape holding one of more of KC's fingerprints!!!
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There is also speculation that this tape may have come from the car dealership where George worked at one time. Is George a thief as well? Given the rarity of this duct tape, there is no way it's just a coincidence of the tape found on Caylee being the same as on the gas can. I'd say no doubt about it, KC's prints are there.
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Piper wrote:There is also speculation that this tape may have come from the car dealership where George worked at one time. Is George a thief as well? Given the rarity of this duct tape, there is no way it's just a coincidence of the tape found on Caylee being the same as on the gas can. I'd say no doubt about it, KC's prints are there.
Piper, I agree about the fingerprints..... the duct tape found on both the gas cans from the A's house and on Caylee's skull was industrial strength. Until I hear at trial, or see documentation, that says KC's prints (specifically KC) were NOT on the tape, I will continue to believe there is no way KC could have touched that tape, placing several pieces over the mouth and nose, and NOT left fingerprints. The mere fact that the pieces were overlapped would protect the prints, IMO.
There is a discussion on just this topic in the 'Case Against KC' thread.......
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If anyone is having a problem opening the file dropper file I posted above, here is another link:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10725800/Henkel-Tape-Specs
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/10725800/Henkel-Tape-Specs
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Fantastic find, Snaz! You would make an excellent Prosecutor, in my opinion. This is just one more blow for the Defense. I'd sure love to hear what Jose Baez thinks about this finding. I'm sure it must be something like this I'd also love to hear what George & Cindy have to say about this latest piece of evidence.Snaz wrote:Here's the real goods!!!!!!!!
State: Duct Tape In Anthony Case 'Rare'
Prosecution Plans To Link Tape Found On Caylee's Body To Gas Can
Tony Pipitone
POSTED: Thursday, September 3, 2009
UPDATED: 7:35 pm EDT September 3, 2009
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Duct tape found both on Caylee Anthony’s body and a gas can found in the Anthony family home is a rare, industrial fire-resistant tape, according to a court filing Thursday by the Orange-Osceola State Attorney’s Office.
And prosecutors said they intend to use the evidence at trial, where they will claim Casey Anthony murdered her daughter and dumped the body -- the rare duct tape still attached to her skull nearly six months later.
Investigators believe both the gas can and the body were at one time in the trunk of Casey Anthony’s car.
The industrial fire-resistant tape, marketed as “Fire Guard DUCK,” was manufactured by Henkel Consumer Adhesives, of Avon, Ohio.
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I think it's amazing how LE can find out exactly where & when the tape is made & sold. This is exceptional. I don't think there is any way that the Anthony's can get out outof this one, though I do believe that CA will come up with some lie and/or excuse. The closer it gets to the trial, the more excited I get to watch them all sqirm!
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From what I've read about pathological liars, they will never admit that they have lied. Not ever! Even when they are caught red handed, and their lies are proven to be just that, lies. Their main goal is to always deny in any given situation. Isn't that just what Casey does, and has always done from the beginning? How about George & Cindy? Same deal here. It runs in the family.
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Discovery released 9-29-09:
Henkel Product Specification (.pdf document)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147538/detail.html
Henkel Product Specification (.pdf document)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147538/detail.html
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Discovery released 9-29-09:
Henkel Product Specification (.pdf document)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147538/detail.html
Henkel Product Specification (.pdf document)
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21147538/detail.html
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WFTV Discovers Possible Duct Tape Link In Casey Case
Posted: 5:06 pm EDT October 2, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm EDT October 2, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- It's the duct tape that could strengthen the link between Casey Anthony and her daughter's body and it was discovered only by Eyewitness News.
Eyewitness News found the same rare type of tape that was found on Caylee's skull being used by the Anthony family on a Caylee Anthony poster.
You can't buy the tape from Home Depot. It is industrial-grade duct tape that hasn't been sold in years.
With the debate over the duct tape evidence intensifying this week, Eyewitness News re-analyzed video that was taken in the months before Caylee's body was found.
The discovery could make it even more difficult for the defense to argue that Casey didn't put the tape over Caylee's mouth. The defense has really been trying to shoot down the duct tape evidence recently.
"If the defense tries to advance that, that it was one of the volunteers that took that tape, killed the child, put the tape over the child's face to frame Casey, that strains credibility and it will turn the jury off," WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said.
However, the video taken by Eyewitness News on July 20, 2008 just days after Casey's arrest and one month after Caylee Anthony disappeared, shows that the duct tape on the Anthonys' Caylee posters has the same unique markings as the duct tape on the Anthonys' gas can and the tape found over Caylee's mouth.
A photo of the duct tape on the Anthonys' gas can, which is the one Casey is accused of stealing from her parents in June of 2008, shows distinct markings that it's made by the Henkel Company and shows some of the specifications.
In July of 2008, the Anthonys had set up a command post and put up posters with Caylee's photo on them. They used what appeared to be the same duct tape with Henkel logo.
Both pieces, which apparently came from the Anthonys' home, appear to be the same kind of rare duct tape according to page number 3378 in the state's case file, (read document) that investigators found over Caylee's mouth when her remains were found in the woods near the Anthonys' home.
Page number 3378, shows that the FBI says the duct tape found over Caylee's skull showed the same black oval Henkel logo and the "spec max temp 200 degrees Fahrenheit"
The FBI says it's an industrial tape that hasn't been made for years.
Eyewitness News received a response from the defense team's public relations representative Marti McKenzie.
"The defense team won't respond to anything that hasn’t been entered as evidence in the case," McKenzie said.
Court documents show the defense has had the FBI photos of the duct tape that was over Caylee's mouth, showing the Henkel logo which matches the Anthonys' duct tape, since March.
Article:
http://www.wftv.com/news/21185313/detail.html
Document:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21184243/detail.html
Video:
http://www.wftv.com/video/21186456/index.html
Posted: 5:06 pm EDT October 2, 2009
Updated: 6:37 pm EDT October 2, 2009
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- It's the duct tape that could strengthen the link between Casey Anthony and her daughter's body and it was discovered only by Eyewitness News.
Eyewitness News found the same rare type of tape that was found on Caylee's skull being used by the Anthony family on a Caylee Anthony poster.
You can't buy the tape from Home Depot. It is industrial-grade duct tape that hasn't been sold in years.
With the debate over the duct tape evidence intensifying this week, Eyewitness News re-analyzed video that was taken in the months before Caylee's body was found.
The discovery could make it even more difficult for the defense to argue that Casey didn't put the tape over Caylee's mouth. The defense has really been trying to shoot down the duct tape evidence recently.
"If the defense tries to advance that, that it was one of the volunteers that took that tape, killed the child, put the tape over the child's face to frame Casey, that strains credibility and it will turn the jury off," WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said.
However, the video taken by Eyewitness News on July 20, 2008 just days after Casey's arrest and one month after Caylee Anthony disappeared, shows that the duct tape on the Anthonys' Caylee posters has the same unique markings as the duct tape on the Anthonys' gas can and the tape found over Caylee's mouth.
A photo of the duct tape on the Anthonys' gas can, which is the one Casey is accused of stealing from her parents in June of 2008, shows distinct markings that it's made by the Henkel Company and shows some of the specifications.
In July of 2008, the Anthonys had set up a command post and put up posters with Caylee's photo on them. They used what appeared to be the same duct tape with Henkel logo.
Both pieces, which apparently came from the Anthonys' home, appear to be the same kind of rare duct tape according to page number 3378 in the state's case file, (read document) that investigators found over Caylee's mouth when her remains were found in the woods near the Anthonys' home.
Page number 3378, shows that the FBI says the duct tape found over Caylee's skull showed the same black oval Henkel logo and the "spec max temp 200 degrees Fahrenheit"
The FBI says it's an industrial tape that hasn't been made for years.
Eyewitness News received a response from the defense team's public relations representative Marti McKenzie.
"The defense team won't respond to anything that hasn’t been entered as evidence in the case," McKenzie said.
Court documents show the defense has had the FBI photos of the duct tape that was over Caylee's mouth, showing the Henkel logo which matches the Anthonys' duct tape, since March.
Article:
http://www.wftv.com/news/21185313/detail.html
Document:
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21184243/detail.html
Video:
http://www.wftv.com/video/21186456/index.html
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Could this be more pieces of the duct tape in question????? What do you think? I've been reading lots of discussion about this.
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Here's another poster that appears to have been put up with duct tape. IIRC, this is the front door of JB's office, but I am not positive. Maybe one of you knows for sure....
Edited: Yes, that is indeed JB's office door.
From the Orlando Sentinel website:
Orange County Sheriff detective Sgt. John Allen talks on his cell phone after meeting with Jose Baez, Casey Anthony's attorney and Cindy Anthony, grandmother of missing child Cayllee Anthony.
Edited: Yes, that is indeed JB's office door.
From the Orlando Sentinel website:
Orange County Sheriff detective Sgt. John Allen talks on his cell phone after meeting with Jose Baez, Casey Anthony's attorney and Cindy Anthony, grandmother of missing child Cayllee Anthony.
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It is hard to get a clear view, but it does look like duct tape holding up the posters in both pictures based on the color of the tape. Wouldn't it be creepy if that was the same duct tape used on Caylee?
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Here is a close-up pic of the gas can with the duct tape on it.
Here is a picture from further away. Note the two brackets laying on the floor next to the can. The discovery documents stated LE obtained two brackets from the Anthony home that had pieces of duct tape on them. If you look carefully, it does appear there is duct tape on one end of each bracket. Don't think we have heard anything about the results of any testing yet... assuming any was done (i.e. depending on whether or not it included the 'Henkel' branch logo on it...)
Here is a picture from further away. Note the two brackets laying on the floor next to the can. The discovery documents stated LE obtained two brackets from the Anthony home that had pieces of duct tape on them. If you look carefully, it does appear there is duct tape on one end of each bracket. Don't think we have heard anything about the results of any testing yet... assuming any was done (i.e. depending on whether or not it included the 'Henkel' branch logo on it...)
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For your help on determining more about the duct tape, here are some other pics of that particular branch of Henkel tape.
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This is kind of small, but here is a picture of the duct tape in three different scenarios.... the first one is the tape from the Caylee poster..... as you can see, it DOES, indeed, have the 'Henkel' logo on it..... This could explain what happened to the roll of tape they didn't find at the A's house. It's possible GA used it up taping up fliers. No reason to hang onto an empty roll......
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This is a video that shows GA putting up the Caylee poster on the front door of their house.... it is at about :12 into the video.... IMO, you can clearly see it is duct tape he is using.....
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Snaz, you are the BOMB! Thank you so much for all of this informatin and detail!
I think the discovery of the poster tape is an awesome find. I wonder if the Anthony's knew that they were using the exact tape that probably killed the little angel? Or if they at least realize it NOW?
I think the discovery of the poster tape is an awesome find. I wonder if the Anthony's knew that they were using the exact tape that probably killed the little angel? Or if they at least realize it NOW?
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awaiting justice wrote:OMG... this is big... If that tape has the Henkel logo along with the temp stamp, its going to be better for the state. We have already heard that this particular ductape is very rare. 1 out of 250,000 ...it will prove that the source of the tape, was in the Anthony possession. This wud be a direct link along with the winnie the pooh blnket (that ca failed to tell LE about) and it will be another nail... Also, do we know if WFTV has the actual tape that was used to hang the posters, or just pics.. sorry if that info has already been released....
AJ, I have not yet heard whether or not any of the tape used on any of the posters has been recovered... hard to believe there wouldn't be one little poster SOMEWHERE..... Should be VERY interesting!
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FystyAngel wrote:Snaz, you are the BOMB! Thank you so much for all of this informatin and detail!
I think the discovery of the poster tape is an awesome find. I wonder if the Anthony's knew that they were using the exact tape that probably killed the little angel? Or if they at least realize it NOW?
Fysty, you're welcome.
It IS kind of creepy to think GA might have taped up 'Help Find Caylee' posters with the very tape the daughter he is so proud of may have used to murder his granddaughter.....
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Here's a blown up version of the tape holding the poster....
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Here is the reason I think the find of this rare Henkel duct tape on the posters is so important.
The defense can grumble about whether or not the duct tape on Caylee's skull and the gas cans from the A's home match, but they cannot deny (nor will it escape the jury) that the chances of this same rare duct tape found in a minimum of THREE (count them, THREE!!) locations tied to the Anthony family are pretty low if this crime was committed by SOD. And it doesn't even really matter whether or not LE is able to recover any pieces of tape that were used on the posters..... We have VIDEO of GA putting up the poster on his front door and the same tape on their gas cans AND on Caylee's skull.... The impact of the jury seeing that video and seeing it is the same kind of rare tape speaks for itself..... IMO
I wonder how the defense team will talk their way out of this one???
In case you missed the video, here is is again. GA is at about the :12 mark.
The defense can grumble about whether or not the duct tape on Caylee's skull and the gas cans from the A's home match, but they cannot deny (nor will it escape the jury) that the chances of this same rare duct tape found in a minimum of THREE (count them, THREE!!) locations tied to the Anthony family are pretty low if this crime was committed by SOD. And it doesn't even really matter whether or not LE is able to recover any pieces of tape that were used on the posters..... We have VIDEO of GA putting up the poster on his front door and the same tape on their gas cans AND on Caylee's skull.... The impact of the jury seeing that video and seeing it is the same kind of rare tape speaks for itself..... IMO
I wonder how the defense team will talk their way out of this one???
In case you missed the video, here is is again. GA is at about the :12 mark.
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Interesting, I just came across this article. Seems as though it is pretty obvious to everyone who ALL the pieces of that duct tape belonged to!!!
WFTV, WESH rebut defense team on evidence
posted by halboedeker on Oct 2, 2009 6:14:58 PM
Casey Anthony's defense team told viewers via national television today that nothing ties their client to evidence at the crime scene where her daughter's remains were found. Attorneys turned up on NBC's "Today," ABC's "Good Morning America" and CBS' "Early Show."
This afternoon, WESH-Channel 2 and WFTV-Channel 9 answered the defense's claims.
WFTV re-examined its video from months before and found a possible connection: The same brand of rare duct tape on Caylee's skull was being used by the Anthony family to post a Caylee poster.
"You can't buy that stuff from Home Depot. It's industrial grade duct tape, and they haven't sold it in years," anchor Bob Opsahl said.
Last month, WKMG-Channel 6's Tony Pipitone reported that the Henkel tape attached to the toddler is a special make and not the best seller that the defense claimed it to be.
"This specific, industrial, fire-resistant tape is a tiny fraction of all the tape sold by Henkel," Pipitone said.
The WFTV report was timely, impressive and attention-getting. Reporter Kathi Belich noted that the defense had tried to dismiss the duct-tape evidence. But she reported that the Henkel duct tape on a Caylee poster had the same distinctive markings -- a black oval logo, temperature specifications -- as tape found on the child's remains and on a gas can at the Anthony home.
WFTV legal analyst Bill Scheaffer asked: "What are the statistical chances that those three pieces of duct tape did not come from the same source roll, that roll belonging to the Anthonys?"
Sheaffer said those similarities will be obvious to a jury. This evening, Belich reported that the defense "would not respond to anything that hasn't been entered as evidence in the case."
WESH turned to Orlando attorney Richard Hornsby, who has offered legal analysis for the station.
"Hornsby said evidence from her car alone suggests Casey knows how Caylee died and what happened to her body," reporter Bob Kealing said.
Hornsby said: "Casey had the car. She never said it was stolen or anything like that. She abandoned it." And he added that Anthony's parents recognized "the smell of death" in the car.
In another report, Hornsby described Casey's "incriminating, bizarre" behavior that makes "it obvious she knows something about the post-death issue."
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-wftv-wesh-rebut-defense-team-on-evidence.html
WFTV, WESH rebut defense team on evidence
posted by halboedeker on Oct 2, 2009 6:14:58 PM
Casey Anthony's defense team told viewers via national television today that nothing ties their client to evidence at the crime scene where her daughter's remains were found. Attorneys turned up on NBC's "Today," ABC's "Good Morning America" and CBS' "Early Show."
This afternoon, WESH-Channel 2 and WFTV-Channel 9 answered the defense's claims.
WFTV re-examined its video from months before and found a possible connection: The same brand of rare duct tape on Caylee's skull was being used by the Anthony family to post a Caylee poster.
"You can't buy that stuff from Home Depot. It's industrial grade duct tape, and they haven't sold it in years," anchor Bob Opsahl said.
Last month, WKMG-Channel 6's Tony Pipitone reported that the Henkel tape attached to the toddler is a special make and not the best seller that the defense claimed it to be.
"This specific, industrial, fire-resistant tape is a tiny fraction of all the tape sold by Henkel," Pipitone said.
The WFTV report was timely, impressive and attention-getting. Reporter Kathi Belich noted that the defense had tried to dismiss the duct-tape evidence. But she reported that the Henkel duct tape on a Caylee poster had the same distinctive markings -- a black oval logo, temperature specifications -- as tape found on the child's remains and on a gas can at the Anthony home.
WFTV legal analyst Bill Scheaffer asked: "What are the statistical chances that those three pieces of duct tape did not come from the same source roll, that roll belonging to the Anthonys?"
Sheaffer said those similarities will be obvious to a jury. This evening, Belich reported that the defense "would not respond to anything that hasn't been entered as evidence in the case."
WESH turned to Orlando attorney Richard Hornsby, who has offered legal analysis for the station.
"Hornsby said evidence from her car alone suggests Casey knows how Caylee died and what happened to her body," reporter Bob Kealing said.
Hornsby said: "Casey had the car. She never said it was stolen or anything like that. She abandoned it." And he added that Anthony's parents recognized "the smell of death" in the car.
In another report, Hornsby described Casey's "incriminating, bizarre" behavior that makes "it obvious she knows something about the post-death issue."
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-wftv-wesh-rebut-defense-team-on-evidence.html
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This is a VERY interesting article at Blink on Crime. Since Part I deals with the duct tape (prints and fibers), I will post it here.
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/10/02/cayleecasey-anthony-case-brad-baez-and-baden-cant-read/#more-2535
The one thing that obviously caught my attention (since I have stated all along that I believe prints to have been found on the duct tape) is that, according to Blink, there ARE prints on the tape.... I guess only the trial will tell us for sure.....
Happy reading!!!!
http://blinkoncrime.com/2009/10/02/cayleecasey-anthony-case-brad-baez-and-baden-cant-read/#more-2535
The one thing that obviously caught my attention (since I have stated all along that I believe prints to have been found on the duct tape) is that, according to Blink, there ARE prints on the tape.... I guess only the trial will tell us for sure.....
Happy reading!!!!
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Here is the second part of the Blink on Crime article:
http://blinkoncrime.com/category/caylee-anthony-case/
Good article.
http://blinkoncrime.com/category/caylee-anthony-case/
Good article.
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Another picture of the Henkel duct tape on a different poster. Go to picture #7.
http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/19724912/detail.html
http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/caseyanthony/19724912/detail.html
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I think I can actually make out the heart shape in the tape. I put the red arrow to show where.
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You know, I was just thinking that maybe there was more than one roll of tape. I mean, considering the tape is so rare and we know that the Anthony's had tape just like it, when they were putting up posters, it's possible that the Anthony's had more than one roll. It sucks that we'll never know for sure. I would think it was more likely that they would have more than one roll, than a completely different person had the exact same kind of tape that the Anthony's had.
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wow.. manufactured in ohio, huh... is that the same ohio that the ants moved to fla from??
just making sure i wasnt making up a state, i am sure that is what the defense is going to say.. "there is no ohio, there never was, only one person claims to have seen it,"
sorry, i think the ship has sunk...
just making sure i wasnt making up a state, i am sure that is what the defense is going to say.. "there is no ohio, there never was, only one person claims to have seen it,"
sorry, i think the ship has sunk...
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I also see pinholes, does anyone else?
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The pictures also freaked me out at first, I thought the fibers were hair at first glance. I do see what appears to be the imprint of a heart.
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There has been lots of discussion all over the internet today about the heart sticker.... many people have claimed to see it... however, they aren't all seeing it in the same place, so I just don't know if it can be seen or not.
There has even been discussion that you can see imprints of where the tape would have been over Caylee's mouth, nose, and even ears.....
Seeing that tape was beyond heartwrenching......
There has even been discussion that you can see imprints of where the tape would have been over Caylee's mouth, nose, and even ears.....
Seeing that tape was beyond heartwrenching......
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The pictures of the tape relates the grisly reality....here's what was placed on this baby, very sobering. I was really taken aback by it. Stop and think, who placed it and where it was placed. On an innocent child, it's horrific to imagine. The cold reality is there. There's no way for the defense to explain away any of this.
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randilynn wrote:wow.. manufactured in ohio, huh... is that the same ohio that the ants moved to fla from??
just making sure i wasnt making up a state, i am sure that is what the defense is going to say.. "there is no ohio, there never was, only one person claims to have seen it,"
sorry, i think the ship has sunk...
Randilynn,
You are exactly right. The Anthony's DID move from Ohio to FL. That is where GA was on the police force. I was wondering a few things about this. Does anyone remember when the A's moved from OH to FL? Was the tape sold more in OH, seeing that is where the HQ's of Henkel are located? Was this tape even sold IN FL? I'm just wondering if we have a breakdown of the tape and what states it was sold and how much. Because if this tape was sold more commonly in OH, yet not in FL, that is huge too. What are the chances of the A's coming from OH and the exact tape not having even been sold in FL? I haven't read that. But I'm wondering.
Also, Piper, I saw those pin pricks too and am wondering what they are. Anyone have ANY ideas? Theories? At first, I thought maybe it was just tiny tears due to the tape being rubbed and thrown around by animals, water, etc. But I don't think so. They are too perfect, uniform of pin pricks to be from that.
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Snaz wrote:This is a video that shows GA putting up the Caylee poster on the front door of their house.... it is at about :12 into the video.... IMO, you can clearly see it is duct tape he is using.....
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Snaz,
an you tell me where this video is located? Copying and pasting these links don't work for me. It appears it's on youtube. I'll go and search there. I don't know why these kind of urls don't work for me. The ones that are long like this and I have to copy and paste and aren't regular blue link things. How about my computer savvy lingo there, huh? LOL!
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Here Tracey
https://www.youtube.com/v/ZzxDnIcdbaA
https://www.youtube.com/v/ZzxDnIcdbaA
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Tracey, it looks like you don't have HTML turned on. That would explain why some of the videos just show as a bunch of code and links. You can turn HTML on by going to your profile, clicking preferences, and choosing yes for always allow HTML. Click the following link for more detailed instructions. http://www.realitychatter.com/site-help-suggestions-f5/please-enable-html-in-your-profile-t518.htm
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Thanks JAG. I also think somewhere that tape on the poster was blown up and the logo is seen very clearly.
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to me, the small holes in the tape appear to be teeth marks from a small animal. i know that they said there was a lot of scattering of the bones, and that was what came to mind when i first saw the pics..
if you have had a puppy, go find your shoes, and look at the marks, they are very similar to the ones on my FAV shoes...
if you have had a puppy, go find your shoes, and look at the marks, they are very similar to the ones on my FAV shoes...
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Justice4all wrote:Tracey, it looks like you don't have HTML turned on. That would explain why some of the videos just show as a bunch of code and links. You can turn HTML on by going to your profile, clicking preferences, and choosing yes for always allow HTML. Click the following link for more detailed instructions. http://www.realitychatter.com/site-help-suggestions-f5/please-enable-html-in-your-profile-t518.htm
Thanks J4A. I didn't even know that was there. LOL! I don't think I had ever made any of those selections on my profile. I learn something new every day. Thanks!
RandiLynn, I thought that too about the animal teeth marks. I just wasn't sure because they seemed so consistent in size. I'm going to go back and look at them though. I have a feeling you are right. That's such a horrible image in my mind.
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Tracey6434 wrote:randilynn wrote:wow.. manufactured in ohio, huh... is that the same ohio that the ants moved to fla from??
just making sure i wasnt making up a state, i am sure that is what the defense is going to say.. "there is no ohio, there never was, only one person claims to have seen it,"
sorry, i think the ship has sunk...
Randilynn,
You are exactly right. The Anthony's DID move from Ohio to FL. That is where GA was on the police force. I was wondering a few things about this. Does anyone remember when the A's moved from OH to FL? Was the tape sold more in OH, seeing that is where the HQ's of Henkel are located? Was this tape even sold IN FL? I'm just wondering if we have a breakdown of the tape and what states it was sold and how much. Because if this tape was sold more commonly in OH, yet not in FL, that is huge too. What are the chances of the A's coming from OH and the exact tape not having even been sold in FL? I haven't read that. But I'm wondering.
Also, Piper, I saw those pin pricks too and am wondering what they are. Anyone have ANY ideas? Theories? At first, I thought maybe it was just tiny tears due to the tape being rubbed and thrown around by animals, water, etc. But I don't think so. They are too perfect, uniform of pin pricks to be from that.
Tracey, to answer of couple of your questions...... The A's moved from Ohio to Florida when KC was only 3, so the chance they brought that tape from Ohio with them is probably pretty slim.... and yes, the tape WAS sold in Florida..... it was sold in Lowe's throughout the country, as well as Ace Hardware and a few other places. But it hasn't been manufactured in several years, since 2006, IIRC.
I think the little holes look like little teeth marks, too..... the only other thing I can think of is something they used when testing left them... but I'm going with teeth marks.
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The state has subpoenaed footage from a WESH-Channel 2 video taken in August 2008. The video shows the rare Henkel duct tape holding up a poster of Caylee.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-wesh-says-state-subpoenas-footage-of-duct-tape.html
The state is establishing an irrefutable link between the Henkel duct tape and the Anthony family. Bozo should be begging for a plea deal at this point. Of course, I hope the state refuses if Bozo does ask for a plea deal.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2009/10/casey-anthony-wesh-says-state-subpoenas-footage-of-duct-tape.html
The state is establishing an irrefutable link between the Henkel duct tape and the Anthony family. Bozo should be begging for a plea deal at this point. Of course, I hope the state refuses if Bozo does ask for a plea deal.
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Could LE have pinned the tape down on something to do their testing on it?
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awaiting justice wrote:I wish we cud see more of the tape.... I wud like to see if there is a pattern in the punctures...
Whan you look at the tape, you see that there is the first hole and then about an half an inch below there is another one... then about 3/4 of inch to the left we see another one... If we could see the entire piece blown up, it wud be easier to tell if there is any consistenccy in the holes... like where they put there manually for a reason ....air holes ?? If the tape was overlapped first and puctured, there wud be one hole facing out and the other hole facing in....
I agree it looks like they cud from bite marks, also as we know the tape had worn and broken down from the elements, cud roots have grown thru ???
One ther question... As far as I remember, the warrant on Dec 11, 09 included ductape... do we know if they retrieved ductape. I know they took the gascan which had ductape, but was there a roll taken....
If there was no roll of ductape found..that wud help lead me to believe that the Ants knew fullwell that Caylees remains have ductape on them, before she was even found...Why wd the roll have disappeared form the Ants, ansd did they help get it rid of it....
I for one believe KC killed Caylee right in her very own bed, in a tshirt and pull up while she slept on Jun 15... If this is the case, she cud have easily taped her to show that she was a kidnapped victim (stupid as it wud seem) and then put her in a garbage bag in her closet, and then the garbage bag in the laundry bag and then out to the trunk.... In other words i think the tape wud have been at home and had no reason to be taken out into the car... Just thinking out loud but I think its strange that the ants didnt have any ductape to seize on dec 11..... Glad they never though to look at the gascan tape... Oversight on CA's part....
IIRC, LE did not recover any duct tape from the A's on Dec. 11. I, personally, don't think this proves the A's knew Caylee had been duct taped.... otherwise, GA would not have been so stupid to use the tape from his own home to put up the posters of a missing Caylee. I think they just used it all up putting up the posters.
JMO
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