Kyron Horman -- Missing 6/4/10 #3

I feel the same way, kh. What happened to this child? I don't have a clue, but feel all other avenues need to be explored and ruled out. They won't call Terri a suspect, but she obviously is the only direction they are going.

It is terrifying to think how it could be anyone in the community, or anyone passing through, no one was watching the children that day. In some sad way, we should be thankful more children didn't disappear that day.

Some points to keep in mind:
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-news/701034/posts

Edward Smart, the father of missing Salt Lake City teen Elizabeth Smart, submitted to a polygraph test and came out clean, a well-placed law-enforcement source tells Newsweek.

But polygraph results for other members of the prominent Mormon family -- including Elizabeth's uncle, Tom Smart -- were "inconclusive," Newsweek reports in the current issue...

The polygraph didn't clear her uncle. And he was the main suspect. Then LE decided it was, in fact, Richard Ricci had kidnapped her following a botched burglary. They refused to consider any other suspects at that point, even after he died. Then the family stopped waiting on LE to follow up on the information about another suspect, and went public themselves. Interestingly, neither the polygraph-failing uncle, or the burglar LE focused on, had the child. It was the sick Brian David Mitchell and his wife. But, that isn't who the focus was on!!!

Don't fall for the hype. Keep looking for Kyron instead of writing it off to the evil stepmother storyline.

Danger: If you have a video baby monitor, Watch this.

Danger of Video Baby Monitor's

Video

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/video/danger-of-baby-monitors-11984972

I wonder if Terri had one of these for Kiara?

Wow, johnabelle! How scary is that to be able to drive around and pick up video of babies in their cribs. I knew a girl that was told later on that her neighbor was picking up her frequency on her baby monitor (before video was available) and that couple would have another neighbor come over and they'd just sit and listen to what went on in her house everyday, guess they had a field day with it. She was horrified, to say the least. The video is even more dangerous. Thanks for sharing.

I don't think any of us have a need for these monitors, but we certainly should pass this info on to our children and grandchildren. Nicole has a video monitor for Chase when he was a baby, but since he is now 6 years old, I hope our babies have ceased for many years.

Terri Moulton Horman drops motion seeking parenting time with Kiara

Updated: Wednesday, November 03, 2010, 1:11 PM



Terri Moulton Horman's attorneys have suddenly withdrawn their motion seeking parenting time for their client with her daughter after her estranged husband's lawyer informed them that they would face extensive discovery, "multiple depositions" and subpoenas for their client's medical records.

"Respondent's decision to defer this matter is in no way an agreement to maintain the status quo with Kiara," wrote Peter Bunch, Terri Horman's divorce attorney, in a motion filed Tuesday. "Respondent wishes only to act in Kiara's best interest. Respondent does not, and will not, give up her right to seek legal custody and unfettered contact with Kiara. Petitioner's efforts to withhold all parenting time is completely contrary to Kiara's healthy development. However, under all of the circumstances, issues regarding parenting time will need to wait for another day, when additional facts can be obtained and presented."

Read more: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/terri_moulton_horman_withdraws.html

~Snipped~
Terri Horman's lawyers also noted they have presented a full offer of compromise, essentially what they described as "a very reasonable proposal to resolve every issue in the divorce proceeding." But they have not received a response from Kaine Horman's attorney, who has until Friday.

Her lawyers said that they'd continue to try to draft an agreement suitable to both parties without the need for further litigation.

This speaks volumes to me. I think Kaine's accusations filed in court are going to backfire on him. Terri knows something about KH he doesn't want presented in court, JMO.

Now, where is Kyron???

'Dateline' to air new Kyron Horman program

by David Krough and Colin Miner, KGW.com Staff
Posted on November 5, 2010 at 1:21 PM

PORTLAND, Ore. -- A new Dateline NBC will explore the latest developments in the Kyron Horman case.

The show airs November 12 and will feature interviews with parents and kids from Skyline Elementary, where the 7-year-old was last seen on June 4.

Read more: http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Dateline-to-air-new-Kyron-Horman-program-106785808.html

Lots of good food for thought in the theories and opinions of posters on this site. Nothing would surprise me at this point.

There is a disturbing trend in the high profile missing child cases of late. A controlling father who has a history of possibly abusing or neglecting the bio mom and his children; a long distance bio mom; a messed up stepmom. This was the situation for Kyron, Haleigh, and Zara Baker. Regardless of who is directly responsible for their disappearances, these parents are to some degree indirectly responsible for not protecting their children, imo. Haleigh and Zara were definitely in high risk living situations created by the adults in their lives. I believe Kyron was too - but we've only heard about Terri's lifestyle dysfunction thus far - somehow Kaine and Desiree have been able to stymie the release of details regarding their lifestyle indiscretions. Let's hope if there are parts of their lives that contributed to Kyron's disappearance that they are known to LE and are being considered. Remember when many thought Ronald Cummings was the father of the year at the beginning of the Haleigh investigation? Even though he had multiple drug arrests, had committed statuatory rape repeatedly, and had visits from CPS on multiple occasions? Perhaps the parents in some/all of these cases did not directly cause the disappearance, but their choices made their children highly vulnerable. Wouldn't be surprised to find out there are yet unknown illegal or high risk lifestyles involved in Kyron's case too. Hope not, but things just seem hinky here. Of course, a child from a highly dysfunctional family can be the victim of a stranger abduction too, it's just easier to believe that when the parents aren't turning on each other and behaving in ways that seem to distract from the effort to find their children...

Hoping for Kyron's safety (but not necessarily for his return to his family until we know more about how safe he was in the first place...)

Welcome!!! And I couldn't agree with you more!!!

Welcom to RC, truthbtold. I think a lot more poo will be flung and then I guess we'll see what sticks. It works both ways, two sides to every story. So far, it's been a one–sided interpretation of the family dynamics. JMO.

The focus is definitely not on finding Kyron at this point.

That's for sure!

It's SO sad!

Thanks so much for the welcome KJ and Piper. Before I found this site earlier today, I believed that everyone was convinced that Terri was certainly guilty and no other avenues need be explored. Good to see that many others aren't believing everything they read without questioning the sources, the motives, and the lack of information regarding other possible scenarios. Maybe Terri is responsible, it's a good possibility. But, there are certainly other good possibilities and Terri has not been arrested; so there is not strong evidence to support her guilt at this point. I hope this isn't a case of LE tunnel vision, like with Jon Benet's disappearance and murder investigation. If Terri's guilt has not been established and LE is working other possibilities (and playing it close to the vest), could be that they're pandering to the other known possible suspects' rules to keep them talking... Hope this gets solved soon and Kyron is found alive.
Looking forward to more of your posts!

I can only hope that LE is working other possibilities. I don't know if Terri is guilty or not, but they haven't arrested her. I just don't want this case going cold and Kyron never being found because other avenues haven't been explored. There is so much of the investigation that hasn't been released. Desiree stated in one of their conferences that Kyron was seen getting into a white truck, then Kaine quickly said that hadn't been confirmed. And with this type of information only being released from the parents, not LE...what are you to believe?

The truth will surface my bet is LE is watching all of them and all the dirty secrets from each one. One is slipping up and playing right into their hands. They would have to be blind not to see this. He is standing alone now why is that? Where are the other two sidekicks?

I agree Piper and chatter2 - there are so very many unverified pieces of information in this case, along with seeming changes in alliances. Maat made good points about the possibility of an abduction of opportunity (given the school had advertised the science fair and didn't seem very security-driven before this incident). A non-familial abduction is still a possibility, but the behavior of the adults in this case leads me to wonder what the heck is going on here.

Appears as though Kaine is going all out to try and convict Terri in the court of public opinion. Maybe because he has very good reason to believe she has taken or hurt Kyron, or maybe because he is involved and/or a crazy vindictive soon-to-be ex-spouse. Desiree, who filed a RO against Kaine for fear he would try to abduct Kyron and his stepson during their divorce, came on the scene seeming to be aligned with Kaine and Terri, until Terri very publicly became Kaine's target. Now, both Kaine and Desiree have directly stated and insinuated that Terri is unstable and a drunk, despite the fact that they both entrusted Kyron to her primary care, driving him to school, driving him to Desiree's for visits... Seems like the behavior and the words coming from them are contradictory and it does't bode well for Kyron. Was he an inconvenience? Was Desiree afraid of Kaine and thus didn't try to get primary custody of Kyron when she became well enough?

I'm becoming more convinced that Kaine has a lot to hide and he's trying very hard to divert attention from himself and control the release of information and avenues of investigation. When I saw Terri hugging Desiree at the first press conference, I didn't get a malicious vibe from Terri - I got a vibe that she was seeking shelter from perhaps the only other person who knows what she's been going through. Terri looked like a scared child. One or more of the parents and step-parents could be involved, Terri included. Or it could be that Kyron got lost in the shuffle of these adults' dramas and games and his safety was compromised in the process. I just don't think there is enough LE-confirmed information to pin this on Terri at this time, despite the media lynching (spurred by Kaine and Desiree). We don't know that Terri hasn't cooperated with LE, they haven't directly made that claim (Kaine and Desiree have). Terri did not fail a polygraph, the results were inconclusive. If Terri was involved in illicit sexual activities (which I personally find irrelevant), I don't believe for a second that Kaine, being a controlling personality, wasn't supremely aware of what was going on in his own household, especially since he worked from home much of the time. If Terri's involved in Kyron's disappearance, she was not the only family member involved, imo. Maybe none of the parents are involved, but are so afraid of what the others might tell about illegal or incriminating personal activity that they are more worried about covering themselves than finding Kyron.
My head and heart hurt, but something tells me that LE is giving all parties enough rope.... Based only on gut instinct, this isn't a case of LE being in the dark or tunnel-visioned. This time it's an intentional LE strategy (maybe I'm just too optimistic)..

I agree with you once again!!! So glad you found us!

The one thing I wonder, and perhaps it's just from watching too many TV dramas & mysteries...

With the addition of all the 'pornland' and child ring stories lately...coupled with some of the statements about 'surprise' and wishing they didn't know things...I wonder if there aren't some people in LE or in politics that are looking to divert the investigation as well. So I haven't quite decided whether LE has tunnel vision or not.

I do believe, whatever the case, that they are more interested in trying someone successfully than actually bringing Kyron home.

I can't believe that they actually think he's alive right now...if so they would have to feel he is safe - and if they had that type of information, then he'd be home by now.

So he is either being tortured on a daily basis or he's dead.

They keep saying that they have no evidence to believe that he is, or that they are working on the premise that he is alive.

Then why the heck such a long-term expectation, why not more urgency? Why not organize a lynch party and storm every house in portland?

Nobody's statements make sense in this case, none!

The onlly person I trust right now, which seems ridiculous, is Terri because she isn't spinning anything.

I just don't trust LE and I don't trust K & D.

And when I think of that, I think my head is screwed on way wrong...I've got to have it flipped around...but I can pick apart so many things that both camps have said that either directly contradict something else that was said, that contradict their behavior, or that outright make no sense whatsoever! I can't say that about Terri...course I might, if she'd speak though.

Even MC is a total weirdo...and what to make of school personell...

and somewhere in the shuffle is a little boy...it makes me SO sad!

Well said, truthbtold (welcome to RC) and KJ!

I like what you said, KJ, about Terri being the only trustworthy one in this because she isn't out there spinning things. How true...

And I've been wondering about LE and their strategy-is this it? Just let the players play until one of them trips up...

I agree with chatter2 also-the truth will come out eventually. And, like everyone has expressed, where is Kyron? All this diversionary stuff isn't helping to find him, I''m sure.

I concur KJ. Nothing about recent events in this case seems to support the idea that LE is still looking to bring Kyron home safely. I believe they have reason to consider him deceased; reason that we are not yet privy to. This would explain why they aren't in a big rush or doing ongoing searches and interrogations here - they're giving the suspects time and opportunity to incriminate themselves in the aftermath so they'll have a stronger circumstantial case. Without a crime scene or a body, they won't be able to rely on forensic evidence. I hope with all of my heart that they find Kyron alive, but if he's gone, they might not ever get a confession and details from this cast of characters, just pointing at each other - creating reasonable doubt for any one of them specifically (like the Croslins/Cummings). LE may be keenly aware of this and won't try to force the truth out of liar(s), but will let them hang themselves in time. If it drags on too long, LE may build a case to put the responsible and complicit parties away on unrelated charges, again like Haleigh's messed up family. We already know that LE publicly emphasized (cryptically) that there is some crap involved in the Kyron case that they wish they didn't know about. We also know that they aren't considering a random abduction; they stated such. So, the terrible crap is happening somewhere within the Homan/Young/Moulton circles. If it's terrible crap that happens to be illegal, I'd expect some key players to wind up in jail in the next 6 months if there's no break in the case before then (so LE can have 24/7 access to them when they're vulnerable and threaten them with long convictions on unrelated charges if they don't come clean on Kyron). Poor Kyron, so sad indeed... (I'm so glad I found you too!)

truthbtold wrote:I believe they have reason to consider him deceased; reason that we are not yet privy to.

FBI usually provides profile analysis in abduction cases, so it might be related to how they profiled the possible suspects. Control freaks like Kaine, when the walls start closing in, have a tendency to commit suicide, which would leave everyone stuck without Kyron's body.

truthbtold wrote: This would explain why they aren't in a big rush or doing ongoing searches and interrogations here - they're giving the suspects time and opportunity to incriminate themselves in the aftermath so they'll have a stronger circumstantial case. Without a crime scene or a body, they won't be able to rely on forensic evidence.

Oregon has the death penalty, so if they had a strong circumstantial case, they could drop the death penalty in exchange for giving up Kyron's body.

truthbtold wrote: We already know that LE publicly emphasized (cryptically) that there is some crap involved in the Kyron case that they wish they didn't know about.

That usually hints at molestation, but it's difficult to say for certain in this instance.

truthbtold wrote:
We already know that LE publicly emphasized (cryptically) that there is some crap involved in the Kyron case that they wish they didn't know about.

Yep, that was a real humdinger of an admission from LE.

Watched 48 Hours Mystery on Saturday night; they covered the Amber DuBois missing person and murder. The documentary crew was with the family from early on until after the confession by Gardner. It made me think about Kyron's case and how differently the family reacted. Amber's mother, father and stepfather (who she lived with) were all devasted and cooperated with LE and stayed on them non-stop. They had no suspect and no clues to this random abduction; they named the stepfather the main POI. They gave him a lie detector test 8 times. His wife left him within 6 weeks of Amber's disappearance (and took their young daughter) because she grew to suspect him. He deviated from his normal daily routine the day of the abduction and he and Amber had not always gotten along. You could tell it crushed him to be suspected by his wife; but he felt so bad for his wife's pain and worried about Amber. The wife never slung mud at him in the press, never for a second focused more on their separation than on finding Amber... Of course, he ended up having nothing to do with it and the couple is trying to rebuild and working as a team in raising their surviving daughter. I also don't remember Jaycee's mom or Natalie's mom ever taking media time away from their daughters to discuss the painful divorces that occured during (and probably resulted from) their daughters being missing.

Though having a child disappear is thankfully an experience that very few have to live through and there probably is no "normal" reaction for the families, it still seems like Kaine's behavior and focus is very odd. Maybe because he has proof that Terri did something, but you still have to question why he'd feel the need to do the character assassination so very publicly, rather than work with LE to make a strong legitimate case to put her away. There are more local, state and Federal agencies involved in this missing persons case than any other local one, including the DEA. Most families have to beg for ongoing LE support from even their own counties. Sure does make you wonder if it's not really a missing persons case anymore, but a much bigger far-reaching criminal investigation.

I think the comments here today make good sense; if there is a parallel investigation it may involve molestation or child exploitation and Kaine does seem to be the type for a suicide watch if he's involved and feels the walls closing in. I'm so curious as to whether he and Terri are suspected, or if it's she that's actually part of a reverse sting. This case is consuming me too much! It's such a sad mystery. Even started wondering if the the doctor's appointment for Kyron has much more meaning than originally thought. If he was abused, the abuser might want to keep him from being physically examined at all costs. In my current fantasy, Kyron is alive and under LE protection until they put away the people who hurt him. Dare to dream... (These are just speculations and ponderings; moo)

It's funny how Kaine seems to convinced that Kyron will be coming home, and will leap right back into his routine...

On one hand I find that SO odd...on the other, I cling to that very same fantasy!

My current one is that he has been removed by some underground protection group and by Terri.

Alrighty...can we start a thread on MC?

Things that make you go hmmmmm:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8479.0

And so much that make you say...what more can I find on THAT?!

*KJ* wrote:Alrighty...can we start a thread on MC?

Things that make you go hmmmmm:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8479.0

And so much that make you say...what more can I find on THAT?!

Sure...feel free to start any threads you would like.

truthbtold wrote:Watched 48 Hours Mystery on Saturday night; they covered the Amber DuBois missing person and murder. The documentary crew was with the family from early on until after the confession by Gardner. It made me think about Kyron's case and how differently the family reacted. Amber's mother, father and stepfather (who she lived with) were all devasted and cooperated with LE and stayed on them non-stop. They had no suspect and no clues to this random abduction; they named the stepfather the main POI. They gave him a lie detector test 8 times. His wife left him within 6 weeks of Amber's disappearance (and took their young daughter) because she grew to suspect him. He deviated from his normal daily routine the day of the abduction and he and Amber had not always gotten along. You could tell it crushed him to be suspected by his wife; but he felt so bad for his wife's pain and worried about Amber. The wife never slung mud at him in the press, never for a second focused more on their separation than on finding Amber... Of course, he ended up having nothing to do with it and the couple is trying to rebuild and working as a team in raising their surviving daughter. I also don't remember Jaycee's mom or Natalie's mom ever taking media time away from their daughters to discuss the painful divorces that occured during (and probably resulted from) their daughters being missing.

Though having a child disappear is thankfully an experience that very few have to live through and there probably is no "normal" reaction for the families, it still seems like Kaine's behavior and focus is very odd. Maybe because he has proof that Terri did something, but you still have to question why he'd feel the need to do the character assassination so very publicly, rather than work with LE to make a strong legitimate case to put her away. There are more local, state and Federal agencies involved in this missing persons case than any other local one, including the DEA. Most families have to beg for ongoing LE support from even their own counties. Sure does make you wonder if it's not really a missing persons case anymore, but a much bigger far-reaching criminal investigation.

I think the comments here today make good sense; if there is a parallel investigation it may involve molestation or child exploitation and Kaine does seem to be the type for a suicide watch if he's involved and feels the walls closing in. I'm so curious as to whether he and Terri are suspected, or if it's she that's actually part of a reverse sting. This case is consuming me too much! It's such a sad mystery. Even started wondering if the the doctor's appointment for Kyron has much more meaning than originally thought. If he was abused, the abuser might want to keep him from being physically examined at all costs. In my current fantasy, Kyron is alive and under LE protection until they put away the people who hurt him. Dare to dream... (These are just speculations and ponderings; moo)

Great post

*KJ* wrote:Alrighty...can we start a thread on MC?

Things that make you go hmmmmm:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8479.0

And so much that make you say...what more can I find on THAT?!

Very interesting! Could you imagine the shame of being kicked out of a bondage club and just what do you suppose you'd have to do to get booted?

Piper-I love your new avatar.

All to often this happens in missing persons cases. Familys are destroyed and when its all said and done the real perp is caught who helps this family thats been torn apart? The stigma remains look at jaycees famiily i could name numerous other familys and they were innocent. That why always always never ever take a lie detecter get a lawyer in the end u will need one anyways reguardless of the outcome. I give the smart family alot of credit they endured so much and still are but their faith held them through it all. Everytime a child goes missing or afamily member there is always that risk they will be drawn apart just when they need each other the most. If it makes you look guilty not to take one so be it at least the lawyer can stop some of this. Lie detectors are not admissable in court because of the failure rate. Lie detectors tests are often given by someone who is inexpereinced not trained nor certified in that area.

chatter2:
Good point; the statistics regarding polygraph accuracy are troubling. Sorry to go a little off-topic here, but it does relate to identifying suspects in missing persons cases, so hope nobody minds. Did some research on lie detectors years ago and was surpised to learn (at least back then) that certified bartenders and barbers go through more training time than polygraphers (about 8 weeks). Interpreting the subject's physcial responses to test questions is a big part of the job; operating the machine is just a component. Yet, 2 years of any college studies (psychology nor physiology is required) was the only pre-requisite. Proponents of the polygraph often cited "correct guilty detections": the high percentage of guilty subjects who are caught by the polygraph. The handful of studies that used a truly random selection of cases and scored them blind found that 83% of guilty subjects were diagnosed as "deceptive," as were 43% of innocent subjects. The corresponding errors of deceptive persons "passing the test," or false negatives, were as high as 36%.

The machine test itself does not consider how different personalities react to taking tests, feeling accused, or how comfortable they are with lying in the course of everyday life. Some people's personalities lend themselves to having stronger physical reactions, and thus misleading test results, than others when being questioned.

I understand that lie detector tests are said to be just an "investigative tool" by LE, and thus they are not admissable in court. But, it sure does seem like people are considered suspicious when they refuse to take one, despite these unimpressive accuracy results. Worse, while not admissable in court, the media does a good job of using polygraph results to cast a cloud over people that fail, are found to have inconclusive results, or refuse to take the test. I don't know what I'd do if I was suspected of a serious high profile crime and I was innocent. I'd want to refuse for all of the reasons above, but I'd also be afraid of being presumed guilty for not taking it and would probably cave and do it - praying that the results would be accurate so LE wouldn't waste time pursuing me instead of the real perpetrator. Really don't envy any innocent person suspected of a major crime where LE is relying heavily on the lie detector as an investigative tool... But, I can see it possibly being useful as one of many indicators to be considered once evidence has been obtained, a psychological profile has been completed by an expert..(but don't think the results should be released in or outside of a courtroom).

Great info TBT!

Remember, regarding Kyron's case, LE did NOT release the polygraph information...Kaine did...after Terri said she flunked it...and we still do not even know if that is true.

It very well could be that she passed but LE was lying to 'break' her. Or they could have misled her, as in she failed part, or came up inconclusive on part or all.

We really don't know what to believe.

Although, in the latest documents to the court from Terri's attorney's it does not deny her failure...I'm not sure whether they should know or not...has this infomation been released to her attorneys or not? It's part of an ongoing investigation, right? At what point does LE release that info to the attorneys, when a person is charged???? Or as it happens?

I don't know.

Either way, at this moment, Terri is being targeted by the public according to Kaine's reiteration of Terri's impression of LE's accusations.

*KJ* wrote:..has this infomation been released to her attorneys or not?

No, and they aren't obligated to release that information. The polygraph is a double-edged sword. If Terri would actually be charged, then her attorney could obtain the results of the polygraph through discovery. If Terri "passed" then her attorney can introduce that fact at trial, since it is effectively exculpatory evidence. If she didn't "pass" then her attorney need not do anything. Neither the fact that she took a polygraph nor the results of the polygraph can be introduced at trial by the prosecution. To do so would result in an automatic mistrial.

Even if Terri did "fail" the polygraph, her attorney might introduce it as evidence. Why?

Did you leave the school with Kyron in your vehicle? No [no deception]

Did you harm Kyron? No [no deception]

Did you kill Kryon? No [no deception]

Do you know who abducted Kryon? No [no deception]

Where you at Suave Island? No [data indicates deception]

Where you at (this location)? Yes [data indiactes deception]

Clearly from that line of questioning the results of the polygraph are favorable to her, because they do not implicate her in Kyron's death, but most likely she'd have to take the witness stand to explain why she was deceptive (I was embarrassed, I was confused, I was doing something I shouldn't have been doing but it didn't involve Kyron etc etc).

I fear this case is going to go on for ever and ever...... and still no Kyron. kh

Mircea wrote:

*KJ* wrote:..has this infomation been released to her attorneys or not?

No, and they aren't obligated to release that information. The polygraph is a double-edged sword. If Terri would actually be charged, then her attorney could obtain the results of the polygraph through discovery. If Terri "passed" then her attorney can introduce that fact at trial, since it is effectively exculpatory evidence. If she didn't "pass" then her attorney need not do anything. Neither the fact that she took a polygraph nor the results of the polygraph can be introduced at trial by the prosecution. To do so would result in an automatic mistrial.

Even if Terri did "fail" the polygraph, her attorney might introduce it as evidence. Why?

Did you leave the school with Kyron in your vehicle? No [no deception]

Did you harm Kyron? No [no deception]

Did you kill Kryon? No [no deception]

Do you know who abducted Kryon? No [no deception]

Where you at Suave Island? No [data indicates deception]

Where you at (this location)? Yes [data indiactes deception]

Clearly from that line of questioning the results of the polygraph are favorable to her, because they do not implicate her in Kyron's death, but most likely she'd have to take the witness stand to explain why she was deceptive (I was embarrassed, I was confused, I was doing something I shouldn't have been doing but it didn't involve Kyron etc etc).

That's what I thought...so it very well could be that she passed it.

Is everybody watching Dateline tonight? I will, but I'm sure it will be the same-old, same-old.

I will be, lc. Just to see what they have.

Exactly, Piper.

Kyron case goes national, yet local hope fading

November 12, 2010
By Evergreen, Oregon writer

The Kyron Horman story will go national again with NBC Dateline doing a segment on the missing Oregon boy. The shows will air today on Friday November 12th. Expect to be interviewed will be Kyron’s step-mom Terri Moulton-Horman. In related news, Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton is asking for a more than a quarter million dollars to help with the cost of the investigation.

http://oregonwomensreport.com/2010/11/kyron/

And there is this...
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kaine-Horman-Terris-silence--107562544-kyron-missing-portland.html

Kaine Horman court filing: Terri's silence implies guilt
PORTLAND, Ore. -- The legal war of attrition in the divorce of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman's father and stepmother continued as more documents were filed in court Friday.

Attorney's for Kaine Horman filed a response to his estranged wife Terri Moulton Horman's withdrawal of a request to seek visitation with the couple's young child last week. In it, they argue that Terri's attachment of a "declaration" was only an attempt to "blame Father and his lawyer for Mother's situation," and that there was no legal need for such statements. Read: Kaine's latest filing

Under a restraining order filed by Kaine Horman, Terri was denied visitation with their young daughter. Kaine alleges that Terri has knowledge of what happened to Kyron. She is the last person to report seeing him alive.

In the papers filed Friday, Kaine asked the court to consider Terri's "silence as an admission regarding Father's factual allegations."

Kyron Horman was 7 when he disappeared from Skyline elementary on June 4. The largest missing person search in Oregon's history has so far turned up no suspects.

In court papers, Kaine Horman characterized Terri as an 'emotionally unstable' and 'unfit' mother -- claims she refuted in her initial plea for visitation. The estranged couple has filed a series of inflammatory motions.

"The fact that Mother's own attorney has told the Court that Mother intends to plead the Fifth speaks volumes about what mother has to hide," attorneys said.

"One can only infer that Mother will not speak because her testimony will lead to criminal liability for Kyron's disappearance."

Kaine and his attorneys said until Terri denies the accusations, no other conclusion can be made.

Kaine and Terri Horman have a divorce hearing set for January. The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is setting up a task force on the case.

A Dateline special on the case airs Friday at 9 p.m. on KGW NewsChannel 8.

In the papers filed Friday, Kaine asked the court to consider Terri's "silence as an admission regarding Father's factual allegations."

I am so sick of idiot control freak manipulators like Kaine! You'd think he'd have a more 'factual' argument.

He's an idiot! He's an idiot! He's an idiot! I can't stand Kaine!

I know!

Next argument he'll have --
"I know you are, but what am I?"

You know what Kaine is, don't you?

argggggggggg!!!!! He is an arrogant idiot!!!!!!! I cant wait untill the chess peice corners the king!

"One can only infer that Mother will not speak because her testimony will lead to criminal liability for Kyron's disappearance."

Actually what I infer is that anything she says will be twisted, distorted and perverted into something else by Kaine.

Did anyone see the news magazine show? I don't have a TV. He's got to be close to breaking. It's eating him away.

Dateline NBC' revisits Kyron Horman disappearance, turns up little new information

Updated: Friday, November 12, 2010, 10:31 PM

"Dateline NBC" returned to the case of missing Kyron Horman with fresh interviews but little new information Friday evening.

On the weekly national news program, father Kaine Horman, mother Desiree Young and stepfather Tony Young reiterated their belief that stepmother Terri Moulton Horman had something to do with the boy's disappearance more than five months ago.

Read more: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/11/dateline_nbc_revisits_kyron_ho.html

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Terri Horman Dateline


From the Dateline show, no new information was revealed, though promised..................


Interesting article............ kh

I saw the show....couldn't stand Dez's 'story telling face' she kept putting on. What is she, an actress? Come on!

And Kaine, is FUGLY! I'm so sorry, but how did he ever manage to get ONE wife, much less TWO? Ok, I know that was rude....it's not about a person's looks, but Kaine's unattractiveness is exaggerated by his blankness and the assholicness behind his cold eyes and his hatefulness toward Terri.

I really hated that part of the show where they showed pics of Kaine and Dez playing with Kyron and commenting on how they did all this and that with their son! Um...Terri? Hello! What about Terri? Dez has probably traveled more to pressers and TV shows than she ever did to go Visit Kryon in Portland even to pick him up for HER TURN - however often that really was.

But my favorite part was when Kaine said he didn't know if Kryon would show up in 10 months or 2 years.....where did he draw those numbers from? What's he been gone now like 5 1/2 months? 10 months, Kaine? Really? Where is he?

OK here's the thing I want to know now...if Kaine and Dez and Tony think Terri knows more, then shouldn't they have some idea what MORE they think she knows? And if so, then why not tell LE what they think Terri knows?

They can toss out that generic 'more' wildness all they want to, but come on...what sort of 'more' do THEY know that they are so sure Terri also knows? They could even speculate and I'd be happy...but they don't even do that. It's just Terri knows MORE and come on Terri and tell us.

Bizarro NUTS!

Is Kaine shaving his eyebrows AND his head? What's up with that?!

And Michael Cook too?

What the heck?

Isn't it true that one of the ways to recognize when someone has committed a crime is behaviorial changes and altered appearance? Kaine is wierd. I do not understand how so many refuse to consider that there is something wrong with how he is acting. He is not expressing anger--he is vindictive, cunning and manipulative. I don't understand how so many women can support him. If someone did to them what Kaine is doing to Terri I bet they'd see things a whole lot differently. He is using this divorce as another means in which to control Terri's actions IMO. I'm not even convinced that LE even told him there was a murder-for-hire plot. Could be they said something like, someone told us blah, blah, blah, and we are wondering if you think she could do something like that? and he saw an opportunity to get the upper hand in a failing marriage.