Sex Offender/Stranger Abduction

Stranger Abduction

lose ends we're following up on
significant progress
following up on tips

In other words, they still have no clue what happened to Kyron. Since nothing has panned out, they are back at square one, Skyline.

It appears whoever took Kyron, extracted him with percision and left no witnesses, no evidence. (Like he slipped into the void)

STRANGER ABDUCTION:

Hypothetically, if you wanted to rob a bank on A side of town, would it not make sense to make a 9-1-1 emergency call for police to respond to B side of town?

So, then logically, all the attention of parents, students, staff was on the science fair, which served as the diversion.

Insert Tanner Pumala. He stated Kyron told him he was going to look at a cool electric exhibit.

So, while everyone had their heads turned, Kyron walked away from the group (which has been stated he's done before-Ms Porter stated, according to Tanner, "He probably went for a drink, bathroom", but, even if we toss out Tanner's statement, Terri had a pic on her Facebook of Kyron's class with no Kyron, cuz he left and went to bathroom without telling anyone, according to Terri)

Someone who was present at the science fair, only had to arouse the curiousity of a 7 year old boy to isolate him from the group.

The old adage "curiosity killed the cat" comes to mind.

Seeing an adult, presumably, walking around with a box or garbage bag wouldn't stand out as unusual as this could have been part of a science exhibit. (A lot of times people leave an extra garbage bag in the bottom of a trash can)

Would the circumstances of this day afford someone the ability to pull off a crime of opportunity?

Sadly, it seems so.

Any opinions?

Oregon Sexual Predator Site

For your information (FYI),

http://sexoffenders.oregon.gov/SorPublic/Web.dll/main

Again, you must agree to the terms of use for this site.
I did a search putting in the letter A in the last name window, then B, the C, etc.., to open up the files.

These individuals are convicted Sexual Predators.

In my state, Georgia, sex offenders have to register for 10 years, every year, with the Sheriff's Dept. Sexual Predators, have to register yearly for the rest of their lives.

Oregon Sex Offender Facts

http://www.oregon.gov/OSP/SOR/faqs.shtml

Sex Offender Registration FAQs

Sex Offender Facts

Is there an Oregon State Sex Offender web site to access offender information?

The public web site contains information on those registered sex offenders designated as “Predatory” or as sexually violent dangerous offenders who are subject to community notification, by law. Public access may be made at sexoffenders.oregon.gov or by accessing the Oregon State Police home page at www.oregon.gov/OSP. The public web site is located under Most Popular Sites – Sex Offender Public Site. Oregon predatory sex offender information can also be accessed through the National Sex Offender Public Registry at www.nsopr.org. Some counties maintain a public web site which lists high risk, predatory offenders currently under supervision by Community Corrections. Contact your local Community Corrections office for additional information.

How can I get a list of sex offenders in my neighborhood?

Predatory offender information may be obtained through the public web site. A list of offenders, both on and off supervision, including those posted to the public website and those who are not, can be obtained by calling the Oregon State Police at 503-378-3725 Extension 44429 or by emailing a request to Sexoffender.Questions@state.or.us. In both instances you will need to leave your name, mailing address, and the city or zip code information for which you are interested. Most requests are processed within 1 week, however, circumstances may require a longer response time.

Why doesn’t the list give me the addresses for all the registered sex offenders?

Offenders currently under parole, post-prison supervision, probation or under the jurisdiction of a juvenile court fall under the authority of their supervising agency. Information on these offenders through the registry is limited by law. Questions regarding conditions, restrictions and address information should be directed to the supervising agency.

Can I get the address of adult sex offenders on supervision from the county corrections agency?

This varies from county to county. Generally they will provide you the address of those offenders determined predatory. If the sex offender has not been determined predatory, they may not release address information but can provide you with information about their crime of conviction and conditions of supervision.

What does “Predatory Sex Offender” mean?

Oregon law defines it as an individual who exhibits characteristics showing a tendency to victimize or injure others and who has been convicted of certain sex crimes. Offenders are assessed on an individual basis to determine whether they will be designated predatory. The “predatory” designation allows law enforcement, or the supervising agency, to notify the community about a particular sex offender.

Are all sex offenders considered “Predatory”?

No. The Board of Parole and Post-Prison Supervision (for persons housed in state correctional facilities), Community Corrections (for persons on probation) and Oregon State Police (for persons convicted of certain sex crimes in other states moving into Oregon and persons who have never been on supervision) must make a finding of predatory, based on an assessment of the offender’s crimes and history. This assessment is based, in part, on previous history and the facts surrounding the sex offense conviction.

Are all sex offenders required to register?

No. The list of sex offenses required to register can be found in ORS 181.594. The first registration laws went into effect in Oregon in 1989. Since that time, additional crimes have been added to the list. There are a number of people living in Oregon whose sex offense convictions predate the registration requirements. Others have convictions which allow for relief from registration 10 years after their supervision ends.

How long are sex offenders required to register?

Oregon is a lifetime registration state for convictions of Class A or B felony. This also includes persons determined to be predatory and those with multiple sex crime convictions and adjudications. If the sex offender has only one sex offense conviction of Class C felony or less (misdemeanor) with no further sex offense convictions or adjudications, they can apply for relief from the registration obligation 10 years after their supervision end date. Youth adjudicated of a sex crime in juvenile court can apply for relief from registration 2 years after their supervision end date. Application is made to the district attorney or juvenile court in the county in which they are residing and a court hearing is scheduled. For more information about relief from reporting requirements, see ORS 181.600 (adults) and ORS 181.607-181.608 (juveniles).

Where can I find the descriptions for Oregon sex crimes?

The descriptions for sexual offenses in Oregon can be found in ORS 163.305 to 163.467 on our Related Statute page.

Where can I find information about sex offender residence requirements?

Residence requirements are conditions placed on sex offenders currently under supervision by the Board of Parole and Post-Prison Supervision (for parolees) and Community Corrections (for probationers). These requirements can be found in ORS 144.641. For sex offenders off of supervision, no residential requirements apply under current Oregon state law.

Can registered sex offenders have contact with or be around children?

Offenders under supervision may have restrictions on whether they can be around minors. If you believe an offender under supervision has been contacting minors, please contact your local Community Corrections office. Offenders who have been determined predatory and are posted to the Oregon Predatory Sex Offender website cannot be around minors if:
(ORS 163.476) They are where minors regularly congregate; defined as schools, parks, day care centers, skate parks, etc. where minors would normally meet for educational or recreational purposes; and
(ORS 163.479) Contact is made with minors for the purpose of committing a crime for the sexual arousal or gratification of the offender or another person.

What should I do if I see a known sex offender talking with children in the neighborhood?

Contact your local law enforcement agency. Report as much detail as possible. Confidentiality will be respected if requested.

Who should I contact if I want to report a suspicious incident or person?

Contact your local law enforcement agency. Offenders use secrecy as a method to continue their sexual abuse. Community involvement greatly enhances the successful monitoring of offenders in your community.

How do victims of sex offenses get information on their convicted sex offenders?

ORS 181.601 outlines what information is available to victims. Oregon Department of Corrections also provides information on incarcerated and supervised sex offenders under their jurisdiction through the VINE Program. Additional information may be obtained by calling 1-877-OR4-VINE. Contact with the Oregon Sex Offender Registry can be made at any time by calling (503) 378-3725 Extension 44429.


Community Notification

What is community notification?

Community notification is advising the community where a predatory sex offender resides of that individual’s presence. This can be made in a variety of ways depending on the offender and the circumstances. Notifying only the offender’s family and employer is a minimal form of community notification. Community notification is made by local law enforcement (i.e., police department, sheriff’s office, state police) for persons not on supervision. Community notification is made by Community Corrections for persons under supervision by the Board of Parole and Post-Prison Supervision and Community Corrections.

Other examples of notification include:

Community/neighborhood meetings
Distribution of flyers door-to-door (i.e., schools, daycare centers, etc.)
Newspaper articles and ads
Internet notices
Posting offender residences

To find out your area’s policy regarding community notification, you can contact your local Police Department, County Sheriff’s office, State Police office or Community Corrections department.

Is community notification made on all sex offenders?
No. Notification is made only on those persons deemed predatory by the Oregon State Police, the Board of Parole and Post-Prison Supervision and Community Corrections. Notification may be made for sex offenders off of supervision by local law enforcement. For persons on supervision, notification may be made by their supervising agency.

How does the Adam Walsh Act, passed by the federal government in July 2006, affect Oregon registration law?
Until the Oregon Legislative body adopts the components of the Adam Walsh Act, Oregon registration law remains unchanged.

I totally agree Calypso..

I wud be very surprised if it was Terri.. The type of crime seems to be more of an arrogant pig,. who took his chances of getting caught, and got away with it...

Look at the arrogance of these pigs who go into ppls homes and take kids right out of their beds with mom and dad just feet away...

It seems like they are almost hoping to get caught... but in many cases they didnt.. We know that for a fact .Therer have been many crimes like this yet LE doesnt even want to consider it..

This is the part that makes me sick.. They are basically telling not to worry, as they have dont feel it is a stranger abductyion.. How cud they say that so early on? How cud they say that on day 2? They cudnt have known anything about Terri yet (alibis etc) as they have only started checking them now...

How did they know this so early on... ? Clearly it is all suspicion and they are orchestrating the evidence to fit their suspicions.. PPl in that community must be pretty easily led..Hearing all the money talk etc, tells me this case is only political to them. I saw tears from an investigator early on... Crocodile tears I say! He doesnt care.. They havent even looked in the DUMP JUST MINUTES AWAY FOR THE SCHOOL..
How much does he really care?

IMO, it's always gone back to the school. The focus of the investigation was switched way too early on the fact that a 7 year old child was taken from the school, somehow...some way. The school still needs to provide some answers that make sense, their timeline needs to jive as well. Again, just my opinion.

Perverts are always on the look out for an opportunity, planned or not.

Sex Offender Supervision
http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/dcj/acjsoffendersup.shtml

Sex Offender Supervision

Alison Kinsey
Community Justice Manager
503.988.4422

•Sex Offender Notification Webpage

•List of Sex Offender Supervision Program The central focus and primary goal of the sex offender supervision program is to enhance community safety, protect existing victims, prevent further victimization, preclude new criminal activities and enforce strict compliance with the conditions of supervision established by the Court or Parole Board in conformance with Oregon Statute.

Multnomah County supervises approximately 900 SEXUAL OFFENDERS of which approximately 200 HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS PREDATORY . The sex offender team consists of a District Manager, a Program Manager, two clinical coordinators, one specific to sexual offending and the other to psychopathy, five supervisors, a Day Reporting Corrections Counselor, 17 parole/probation officers representing five field offices, and six additional parole/probation officers representing the Transition, Mental Health, Gang, and Special Supervision Team units. All of these sex offender team members have received specialized training and certification.

The mission is achieved by bringing to bear the full compliment of resources, which have been shown to be effective, to contain and reintegrate persons convicted of sex crimes and who have been released to the community.

The tools utilized to achieve these goals include:

◦A thorough assessment of the risk to the community based on actuarial risk assessments and a review of the specific details of the crime of conviction, prior criminal activity including convictions and admissions, attitudes and actions taken by the offender which reflect an understanding of the impact of the crime on the victim and the community, and a willingness to change behavior and accept accountability for prior actions.

◦The development of a plan for notification of appropriate persons in the community in which the offender will be residing. Such notification may, depending on the unique circumstances of each case, include the individuals with whom the offender plans to live, persons residing in close proximity to the offender, neighborhood organizations, schools, churches and police precincts.

◦Surveillance and visits to the offender’s home to assure compliance with the conditions of supervision. Such home contacts may include searches for evidence of new criminal activities and activities which are known to increase the likelihood of sexual crimes.

◦Contact with the offender’s neighbors, acquaintances, family members, victims, and employers to assess compliance with the conditions of supervision and evidence of progress or regression in the offender's attitude towards positive change. A primary focus is the offender's compliance with the "no contact" provisions (minors, victims or specified others) included in the conditions of supervision.

◦Reporting by the offender to the parole/probation office to assess compliance with the conditions of supervision and progress toward completion of specific activities mandated by the Court or Parole Board.

◦The imposition of appropriate sanctions for any failure to comply with the conditions of supervision or evidence of inappropriate sexual arousal behaviors. These sanctions can include but are not limited to increased reporting, community service, short-term jail sentences, and when appropriate, revocation of community supervision.

◦An assessment by an approved sex offender treatment provider of an appropriate course of sex offender treatment and full and active participation in the prescribed course of treatment until all treatment goals are achieved. These goals are specific to the offender's sexual arousal and knowledge, emotional regulation, social relationships, personal risk factors/re-offense prevention and life skills.

◦The development of detailed risk and relapse prevention plans through the collaborative efforts of the treatment provider, parole/probation officer, and individuals approved to monitor the offender's behaviors in the community. Such plans provide strict guidelines for any interaction between the offender and victims or potential victims with the priority centered on protecting the community and ensuring the safety of the victim.

◦Polygraph examinations to verify compliance with supervision conditions and to verify the offender's sexual history for treatment purposes.

◦Monitor compliance with imposed condition to be financially responsible for counseling, therapy and medical costs of the victim/family when so ordered.

◦Where appropriate and at the sole discretion of the victim(s) of the offender, facilitate clarification. (Facilitate clarification of what and for whom? This bullet doesn't make sense to me.)

◦Monitor sex offender registration through Oregon State Police.

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/dcj/acjsoffendersup.shtml

Who MUST Register?

Adults and juveniles convicted or adjudicated of the following crimes:

a.Rape in any degree

b.Sodomy in any degree

c.Unlawful sexual penetration in any degree

d.Sexual abuse in any degree

e.Incest with a child victim

f.Using a child in a display of sexually explicit conduct

g.Encouraging child sexual abuse in any degree

h.Transporting child pornography into the state

i.Paying for viewing a child’s sexually explicit conduct

j.Compelling prostitution

k.Promoting prostitution

l.Kidnapping in the first degree if the victim was under 18 years of age

m.Contributing to the sexual delinquency of a minor

n.Sexual misconduct if the offender is at least 18 years of age

o.Possession of materials depicting sexually explicit conduct of a child in the first degree

p.Kidnapping in the second degree if the victim was under 18 years of age, except by a parent or by a person found to be within the jurisdiction of the juvenile court

q.Any attempt to commit any of the above crimes (a) to (p)

r.Burglary, when committed with the intent to commit any of the offenses listed in paragraphs (a) to (p) or (s); or

s.Public indecency or private indecency if the person has a prior conviction for a crime listed in (a) to (r)

t.A person convicted in another state of a crime comparable
to those listed above.

awaiting justice wrote:I totally agree Calypso..

I wud be very surprised if it was Terri.. The type of crime seems to be more of an arrogant pig,. who took his chances of getting caught, and got away with it...

Look at the arrogance of these pigs who go into ppls homes and take kids right out of their beds with mom and dad just feet away...

It seems like they are almost hoping to get caught... but in many cases they didnt.. We know that for a fact .Therer have been many crimes like this yet LE doesnt even want to consider it..

This is the part that makes me sick.. They are basically telling not to worry, as they have dont feel it is a stranger abductyion.. How cud they say that so early on? How cud they say that on day 2? They cudnt have known anything about Terri yet (alibis etc) as they have only started checking them now...

How did they know this so early on... ? Clearly it is all suspicion and they are orchestrating the evidence to fit their suspicions.. PPl in that community must be pretty easily led..Hearing all the money talk etc, tells me this case is only political to them. I saw tears from an investigator early on... Crocodile tears I say! He doesnt care.. They havent even looked in the DUMP JUST MINUTES AWAY FOR THE SCHOOL..
How much does he really care?

Sneaking into someones home to steal their children, for sexual purposes, should carry the death penalty as far as I'm concerned. And they should have public executions to make them think twice about it. These violent sexual predators need to stop. Parents should be able to feel secure in their homes knowing their children are tucked away safe in slumberland.

As far as wanting to get caught, no they don't. They are brazen, have no morals and no concious, no remorse. They don't give a shit who they hurt, they are in it for the thrill and breaking into a home while the occupants sleep adds to their thrill. It's the same thing as kidnapping kids from day care, schools, etc. They are a danger to society.

Focusing in on Terri and stating this was an "isolated incident" is sickening. Especially, as you stated AW, 2 days after Kyron was missing. Multnomah County, according to the above article I posted, had documented 900 SEX OFFENDERS with 200 IDENTIFIED as PREDATORY.

WTF??????!!!!!

I'm confused as to why a sex offender designated as predatory ever sees the outside of a prison. There is no cure for such a person.

Disciplined Teachers

Published: Tuesday, February 12, 2008, 8:05 PM
Updated: Wednesday, July 07, 2010, 8:09 PM

Read more here...many other interesting links in this report:
http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2008/02/disciplined_teachers.html


Schools let sex abuse cases slide
Records show a pattern of missed red flags and ignored complaints from students

Sunday, Feb. 17, 2008
By AMY HSUAN, MELISSA NAVAS and BILL GRAVES

Background checks
Not all Oregon school jobs require licenses or deep background checks.

The state does not require an estimated 20,000 people in Oregon’s public schools, and about 2,000 teachers who work in private schools, to have licenses from the state’s teacher licensing agency.

This group of school employees, which includes coaches, instructional assistants and janitors, are not overseen by the Teacher Standards and Practices Commission and are subsequently not monitored by any state or independent agency.

Read more info here, more interesting links:
http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2008/02/schools_let_sex_abuse_cases_sl.html

Above is the article I was talking about in chat Friday night...interesting stuff.

Justice4all wrote:I'm confused as to why a sex offender designated as predatory ever sees the outside of a prison. There is no cure for such a person.

Me too J4A!

Im even more confused how LE cud be so arrogant in telling the community that they dont think this kidnapping was a stranger abduction...

How dare they influence the community like that.. They had no idea if this was a strnager abduction.... We all know they "suspected" differently and still do but why????

They hoped the investigation wud be solved early on where one of the family members confess, or leave evidence behind of what happened..

Clearly, that hasnt happened.. They shud never be allowed to ease anyones mind ... The sad reality, is that the more time goes on the more this looks like the doing of a sick ped pig.

Its easy for the community to want to believe LE's "hunches" becuz it gives them comfort that their children are safe... Is this false comfort?? If LE had anything concrete on TErri surly she wud have been arrested along time ago..

This is not the type of LE that I weud want in my community/... I hope ppl will wake up there and start demanding more..

Piper wrote:Disciplined Teachers

Published: Tuesday, February 12, 2008, 8:05 PM
Updated: Wednesday, July 07, 2010, 8:09 PM

Read more here...many other interesting links in this report:
http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2008/02/disciplined_teachers.html


Schools let sex abuse cases slide
Records show a pattern of missed red flags and ignored complaints from students

Sunday, Feb. 17, 2008
By AMY HSUAN, MELISSA NAVAS and BILL GRAVES

Background checks
Not all Oregon school jobs require licenses or deep background checks.

The state does not require an estimated 20,000 people in Oregon’s public schools, and about 2,000 teachers who work in private schools, to have licenses from the state’s teacher licensing agency.

This group of school employees, which includes coaches, instructional assistants and janitors, are not overseen by the Teacher Standards and Practices Commission and are subsequently not monitored by any state or independent agency.

Read more info here, more interesting links:
http://www.oregonlive.com/special/index.ssf/2008/02/schools_let_sex_abuse_cases_sl.html

Informative post, Piper. Everyone should read these.

Clipped from Calypso's OP....So, while everyone had their heads turned, Kyron walked away from the group (which has been stated he's done before-Ms Porter stated, according to Tanner, "He probably went for a drink, bathroom", but, even if we toss out Tanner's statement, Terri had a pic on her Facebook of Kyron's class with no Kyron, cuz he left and went to bathroom without telling anyone, according to Terri)

Was the pic of Kyron's class or his classroom? Or was it that pic of Kyron's exhibit without Kyron standing in front of it? I've only seen the latter.

.....it wasn't Terri who said Kyron went to the bathroom etc, it was Ms Porter...according to Tanner.

I wonder why we haven't heard the chaperon's take on the morning? I would think her account might give more insight into when Kyron disappeared, like.....it's still not clear if she missed Kyron before or after the 9-10 tour. Couple that with the school/LE not wanting to publicly nail down when roll was taken (prior to 9 or after 10) and that they just don't want Tanner's recollection out there at all....and we have a potential huge window of opportunity for someone other than Terri to have taken Kyron off.

Let's put it this way...

if the chaperon missed Kyron before she went off with her group at 9, it's possible she never saw Kyron that morning at all...then Terri could still be suspect IF she sneaked Kyron off somehow after Tanner saw her leave the school without Kyron.

If the chaperon missed Kyron after she returned to the classroom with her group at 10, then she certainly knew he was with her group earlier at 9...and poofed the face of the earth between 9 and 10...which would get Terri slam off the hook with her alibi of being at the grocery store she says she can prove (with receipts probably and maybe even a store security tape?), in which case a stranger abduction should have been a primary focus!

but a stranger abduction seemingly wasn't considered early on. Why not? Well, they did claim to check the sex predators out, but who says it had to be a known sex offender? It could have a been a noobie! Or not even a sex offender, but just a person with a grudge against someone in the family.

Why won't LE release the school's actual timeline of when roll was taken and the account of the chaperon?

http://www.katu.com/news/local/86688377.html

Police seek sex offender in kidnapping case

By KATU.com Staff


Story Published: Mar 5, 2010 at 6:35 PM PDT
Story Updated: Mar 6, 2010 at 3:23 AM PDT


PORTLAND, Ore. - Portland police are looking for 42-year-old Paul Evans Winklebleck who they say impersonated a police officer and kidnapped two women who had just left a concert at the Roseland Theatre late Thursday night.

According to a Portland Police Bureau press release, Winklebleck approached the two women near Southwest 2nd and Ash as they were walking to their car and told them he worked for the Portland Police Bureau. He said he was there to help them because he said they might be drunk.

Winklebleck said he was a “spotter” for the bureau and was there to get the women safely home so they would not be stopped and arrested for drunken driving.

**READ MORE AT LINK

awaiting justice wrote:

Justice4all wrote:I'm confused as to why a sex offender designated as predatory ever sees the outside of a prison. There is no cure for such a person.

Me too J4A!

Im even more confused how LE cud be so arrogant in telling the community that they dont think this kidnapping was a stranger abduction...

How dare they influence the community like that.. They had no idea if this was a strnager abduction.... We all know they "suspected" differently and still do but why????

They hoped the investigation wud be solved early on where one of the family members confess, or leave evidence behind of what happened..

Clearly, that hasnt happened.. They shud never be allowed to ease anyones mind ... The sad reality, is that the more time goes on the more this looks like the doing of a sick ped pig.

Its easy for the community to want to believe LE's "hunches" becuz it gives them comfort that their children are safe... Is this false comfort?? If LE had anything concrete on TErri surly she wud have been arrested along time ago..

This is not the type of LE that I weud want in my community/... I hope ppl will wake up there and start demanding more..

I'm pretty sure that LE has never said that they don't think it was a stranger or an abduction.

What they said was that they have no evidence to suggest it was. They also dont' have any evidence to suggest it was a family member either.

I think the isolated incident comes from this:
It's either someone that knows/targeted him, or
It's a person on the fringes, or
It's a stranger

Now,
If he was targeted, then no one else is in danger
If it was either a person on the fringes...then this person took great risk at going into the school & luring him out. This means that this person was likely looking for a 'specific type' perhaps even Kyron himself...he had either targeted Kyron or he was 'shopping'...meaning he was not looking for any cheap thrill to use & toss...meaning he wouldn't need to shop again anytime soon...isolated.
If it was a stranger, much of what is above is true too because of the riskiness, but since this person is a stranger, he will likley not show up at the school again.

Conclusion...skyline parents do not need to be concerned for the safety of thier children.

Notice that in CA a girl was grabbed, raped murdered & dumped in plain site w/i a short window...this caused LE to issue a warning for parents to keep track of their childen.

That is because the guy sees children as disposable...since Kyron hasn't been found, it's probably the case that he is hidden, either alive or dead...meaning whoever did this did not just dump him on the side of the road, like a take-out order...ya know?

Sorry to be so blunt...

*KJ* wrote:

awaiting justice wrote:

Justice4all wrote:I'm confused as to why a sex offender designated as predatory ever sees the outside of a prison. There is no cure for such a person.

Me too J4A!

Im even more confused how LE cud be so arrogant in telling the community that they dont think this kidnapping was a stranger abduction...

How dare they influence the community like that.. They had no idea if this was a strnager abduction.... We all know they "suspected" differently and still do but why????

They hoped the investigation wud be solved early on where one of the family members confess, or leave evidence behind of what happened..

Clearly, that hasnt happened.. They shud never be allowed to ease anyones mind ... The sad reality, is that the more time goes on the more this looks like the doing of a sick ped pig.

Its easy for the community to want to believe LE's "hunches" becuz it gives them comfort that their children are safe... Is this false comfort?? If LE had anything concrete on TErri surly she wud have been arrested along time ago..

This is not the type of LE that I weud want in my community/... I hope ppl will wake up there and start demanding more..

I'm pretty sure that LE has never said that they don't think it was a stranger or an abduction.

What they said was that they have no evidence to suggest it was. They also dont' have any evidence to suggest it was a family member either.

I think the isolated incident comes from this:
It's either someone that knows/targeted him, or
It's a person on the fringes, or
It's a stranger

Now,
If he was targeted, then no one else is in danger
If it was either a person on the fringes...then this person took great risk at going into the school & luring him out. This means that this person was likely looking for a 'specific type' perhaps even Kyron himself...he had either targeted Kyron or he was 'shopping'...meaning he was not looking for any cheap thrill to use & toss...meaning he wouldn't need to shop again anytime soon...isolated.
If it was a stranger, much of what is above is true too because of the riskiness, but since this person is a stranger, he will likley not show up at the school again.

Conclusion...skyline parents do not need to be concerned for the safety of thier children.

Notice that in CA a girl was grabbed, raped murdered & dumped in plain site w/i a short window...this caused LE to issue a warning for parents to keep track of their childen.

That is because the guy sees children as disposable...since Kyron hasn't been found, it's probably the case that he is hidden, either alive or dead...meaning whoever did this did not just dump him on the side of the road, like a take-out order...ya know?

Sorry to be so blunt...

I have to agree with J4a and aj....LE has no idea what happened to Kyron, hence they have no idea if the public is safe.

I'm sure cop lingo for 'this is the first kid missing in our area' is 'isolated incident'.....but all serial criminals' FIRST incident is isolated....So I think LE is misleading the public by encouraging them to feel safe at this point and time.

LottieM wrote:

*KJ* wrote:

awaiting justice wrote:

Justice4all wrote:I'm confused as to why a sex offender designated as predatory ever sees the outside of a prison. There is no cure for such a person.

Me too J4A!

Im even more confused how LE cud be so arrogant in telling the community that they dont think this kidnapping was a stranger abduction...

How dare they influence the community like that.. They had no idea if this was a strnager abduction.... We all know they "suspected" differently and still do but why????

They hoped the investigation wud be solved early on where one of the family members confess, or leave evidence behind of what happened..

Clearly, that hasnt happened.. They shud never be allowed to ease anyones mind ... The sad reality, is that the more time goes on the more this looks like the doing of a sick ped pig.

Its easy for the community to want to believe LE's "hunches" becuz it gives them comfort that their children are safe... Is this false comfort?? If LE had anything concrete on TErri surly she wud have been arrested along time ago..

This is not the type of LE that I weud want in my community/... I hope ppl will wake up there and start demanding more..

I'm pretty sure that LE has never said that they don't think it was a stranger or an abduction.

What they said was that they have no evidence to suggest it was. They also dont' have any evidence to suggest it was a family member either.

I think the isolated incident comes from this:
It's either someone that knows/targeted him, or
It's a person on the fringes, or
It's a stranger

Now,
If he was targeted, then no one else is in danger
If it was either a person on the fringes...then this person took great risk at going into the school & luring him out. This means that this person was likely looking for a 'specific type' perhaps even Kyron himself...he had either targeted Kyron or he was 'shopping'...meaning he was not looking for any cheap thrill to use & toss...meaning he wouldn't need to shop again anytime soon...isolated.
If it was a stranger, much of what is above is true too because of the riskiness, but since this person is a stranger, he will likley not show up at the school again.

Conclusion...skyline parents do not need to be concerned for the safety of thier children.

Notice that in CA a girl was grabbed, raped murdered & dumped in plain site w/i a short window...this caused LE to issue a warning for parents to keep track of their childen.

That is because the guy sees children as disposable...since Kyron hasn't been found, it's probably the case that he is hidden, either alive or dead...meaning whoever did this did not just dump him on the side of the road, like a take-out order...ya know?

Sorry to be so blunt...

I have to agree with J4a and aj....LE has no idea what happened to Kyron, hence they have no idea if the public is safe.

I'm sure cop lingo for 'this is the first kid missing in our area' is 'isolated incident'.....but all serial criminals' FIRST incident is isolated....So I think LE is misleading the public by encouraging them to feel safe at this point and time.

I see your point, and agree that they are taking a large risk at making a statement like this without knowing for sure...but they also have a duty to maintain order...so just using thier stats, and knowing that 90-some-odd percent of abductions are family related...well they have that on their side.

The 'other' site that I mentioned before discussed this quite a bit too...and one thing that they mentioned is that just 'reassuring' the community is part of their responsibility and there have been cases where they have done that and been wrong.

The bottom line is, at this time they have no evidence to suggest that it's NOT isolated...and this is pretty much the message that they delivered...to be just as cautious as usual.

Just in case...I am of the belief that Kyron was taken by a non-family member...and I think Kaine's statement about a possible Terri motive in the presser today actually supports this...it appears that neither he nor D could fathom a motive...even after all they have learned lately, and all the opinions they have...they apparently have no idea.

Possible Kyron sighting:

http://psychicforthemissing.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=cases&action=display&thread=3&page=16


Today at 1:33am, amarareign wrote:
Simoni
Do I know you?
10:40pmMe
I dont think so
i have befriended you cuz you help to look for kyron
this is very sad
10:41pmSimoni
O okay
Yes it is
10:41pmMe
your daughter is cute with her cat
my 12 year old boy has 2 cats
10:41pmSimoni
I have seen the man before and talked with him but this is the first time he had a kid with him
Yes that us tilly
And my dawty savannah
10:42pmMe
do you think the boy was kyron
10:42pmSimoni
He looked just like him that's forure
10:43pmMe
we live on sauvie island
10:43pmSimoni
I had my glasses off while talking too him when i put them on I was like omg
10:43pmMe
how far away do you live
10:43pmSimoni
I hav seen this kid somewere
N portland
By pcc cascade
Lived here only a year
10:44pmMe
do the homless people hang out there
10:44pmSimoni
And my husband and u are hermits so do not no anyone
Yes
10:44pmMe
what is this schools address
please
10:44pmSimoni
Always it's a. House that used o be a glove shop so I am told.
N Montana 97217
10:45pmMe
please can you get the address
10:45pmSimoni
Yeah hang on
6031 N Montana Ave, Portland, OR 97217
My kids are going there this year well one of them.

http://psychicforthemissing.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=cases&action=display&thread=3&page=15

6031 N Montana Ave, Portland, OR 97217 Is the exact address where she saw him. I befriended her on facebook. Does anyone live close to this address. I also called it in to the tipline.

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showthread.php?t=51491&page=4

Hat tip: Literaleigh, post # 92

Was just reading and the original poster, a woman named Simoni, says that the homeless boy she has seen that resembles Kyron is with an older African-American man. See now, that just made me sit up and go, whoa. I figured that the people the boy was seen with were also white and they were probably all related and it was NOT Kyron...but apparently not...the man is AA and so this seems a lot more random that these two would be together and makes me wonder how that came to be...and I think it gives a tiny bit more credence to the idea that this MIGHT be our little man...

McQueen Norma Simoni, does this man live in the abandoned house behind the school, is that where he is keeping the boy?
21 minutes ago · Like ·
Simoni Helena Rodriguez-Usher He is African american scruff gray go tee gray hat last I saw yellow shopping cart. The boy didn't seem scared at all he was just standing there staring at me all creepy like. I figured maybe he was afraid of my dog so that's why I startled talking to him. then realized why he looked like someone I'd seen. The man came very quickly after he saw me talking to him. I new the man because i have given him cans and talked with him before. I said his son was cute and asked how old he was and thats when the guy said he had to go. And no the garden is no trespassing so it's always locked but sometimes it's left open.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?v=wall&story_fbid=138775982819908

Read comments by Simoni Helena Rodriguez-Usher.

She is the woman making claims she saw a could be a "replica" of Kyron with an older black man behind Ockley Green- Calypso.

Posts were from this site, page #13.

http://psychicforthemissing.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=cases&action=display&thread=3&page=13

There is a place called "Swan Garden" behind the school.
6200 N Interstate is the address of the house, the windows are boarded up.

(These posts are allegedly from this Facebook link-Calypso)

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=138775982819908&id=125336750831264

These posts were posted yesterday:

She posted:
I live in n Portland in Oregon there is a boy who could be kyrons exact replica. Just no glasses he is homeless and lives in a vacant school garden. Every time I see him makes me wonder where kyron is. If you have kyron his parents need closure at least let him call. If you know something its time you speak up no more I don't want to be involved."

Simoni posted this:

"And I did stay with the child he would not tell me his name and no one ever showed so I went home. I gave him and the people he was with some water and then had to go home. I still am 100 that kyron will be home just have to stay positive and strong little guy."

imoni Helena Rodriguez-Usher And I never said I wouldn't be involved I said whoever has him needs to be involved and just let him go no more hissing I wish did know were he was no parent should go thru this come home kyron and to th parents stay strong people just don't disappear there out there somewhere

She posted again:
Simoni Helena Rodriguez-Usher "Ockely Green there is an abandoned house behind the schools field. There is a garden supposed to be for the school but homeless people use it for the water that's hooked up. He was with one man who had cats. The man said they were evicted and looking for a shelter. I asked how old his son was he would not tell me. I was by myself so I didn't stay long to keep asking. I called. Like I said nothing. Then my phone died so I went home."

One more final note on this -- she mentions
"No although we do have a sex offender across the street from peninsula. but no the garden is in the field of the school it belongs to the school. And the house is behind the back fence."

This probably doesn't have anything to do with Kyron's disappearance, but you never know!

This guy, David Karan, is said to have abducted a 16 year old girl he met playing ONLINE GAMES. He has an OREGON license plate. He had been talking with this girl from a MOTEL ROOM in Texas for the last MONTH or so! They don't know were he was prior to being in that motel. He is being sought for LURING the girl away. And they think he might be on his way back to OREGON now.

So let's say, what if this predator lured Kyron away, then drove him to toward Texas and did something to him, hung out in a motel in Texas for the last month working on his plan for his next abduction? I don't know....I just thought it was interesting especially with the ONLINE GAMING connection since Terri played online games. Could she possibly have known this guy (if only his gaming persona) and he then knew of Kyron and the science fair through gaming chat? And since he's got an Oregon plate? And seemingly is a drifter, albeit one who can stay in motels where he can use his laptop to play online games and meet people with the intention of doing harm?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20011904-504083.html

Lottie,

ANYTHING is possible in this case that's why it's so damn frustrating! It could be the simplest explanation or it could be very complicated!

This scenario would depend if Kyron was permitted to use the computer to play on-line games.

There's a good possibility that when the house was searched, the computer was taken in and those possibilities were eliminated.

I think they've honed in on Terri because they couldn't find anything else.

This is a good article, everyone should read it.

Are Child Molesters Mentally Ill?
Pedophiles and other predators

PAMELA KULBARSH, RN
Posted: Monday, August 21, 2006
Updated: July 8th, 2008 05:27 PM GMT-05:00

Are all sex offenders who victimize children pedophiles? A raging debate abounds in the psychiatric world. Pedophilia is a mental health diagnosis. Some members of the American Psychiatric Association want to exclude the diagnosis of pedophilia from the books. Others believe doing so would imply that sexual urges towards and acts against children would no longer considered as "abnormal." Normalizing sexual contact with children could have profound legal consequences; if it is normal, then how can it be illegal?

Do all offenders have a mental illness? Not necessarily. For a clinical diagnosis of pedophilia, a person will have had recurrent, intense, sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children, for a period of at least 6 months. Moreover, the person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children. The criterion suggests that for a diagnosis of pedophilia, the perpetrator must suffer internal conflict or social consequences. Nepiophilia, also called infantophilia, is the attraction to toddlers and infants (ages 0-3).

**Read more at link.
http://www.officer.com/web/online/Investigation/Are-Child-Molesters-Mentally-Ill/18$31904

Calypso wrote:Lottie,

ANYTHING is possible in this case that's why it's so damn frustrating! It could be the simplest explanation or it could be very complicated!

This scenario would depend if Kyron was permitted to use the computer to play on-line games.

There's a good possibility that when the house was searched, the computer was taken in and those possibilities were eliminated.

I think they've honed in on Terri because they couldn't find anything else.

I don't know if you know, but Terri played online games, specifically World of Warcraft. She could be a link to other online gamers, doesn't have to be Kryon playing. I'd bet James played too, but I haven't heard that. Anyway, World of Warcraft players are like 'family' to each other and when they're not "in game" they chat with each other often about real private life on the game server.....so that's why I was thinking there could be a connection with this guy, David Karan, via Terri. Sounds like a longshot, but you never know.

Here's some "for your information" (FYI) definitions per Oregon:

http://www.oregon.gov/DHS/children/abuse/abuse_neglect.shtml

What is child abuse and neglect?

Oregon law defines physical abuse as an injury to a child that is not accidental. Most parents do not intend to hurt their children, but abuse is defined by the effect on the child, not the motivation of the parents.

Physical abuse includes:

Bruises or cuts
Head injuries
Poisoning
Fractures, sprains
Burns or scalds
Internal injuries
Electrical shocks
Death

Although not recommended, spanking is not abuse. However, a spanking which leaves marks or bruises on a child might be abuse. Bruises anywhere on a baby are serious.

Other types of abuse are at link.

Interesting site to read around on.

http://www.oregonlive.com/beaverton/index.ssf/2010/08/beaverton_police_release_sketch_of_suspect_in_sexual_assault_at_fanno_creek_park.html#comments

Beaverton police release sketch of suspect in sexual assault at Fanno Creek Park
Published: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 5:22 PM Updated: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 5:25 PM

BEAVERTON -- Police today released a composite sketch of a suspect in a sexual assault case against a 13-year-old boy in Fanno Creek Park Monday afternoon.

At about 2:35 p.m. Monday, police received a report that while the boy was picking blackberries in the park, he was approached by a 50- to 60-year-old man and sexually assaulted about 150 yards south of Denney Road, said Pam Yazzolino, Beaverton policespokeswoman. Police Tuesday had said the assault occurred in Greenway Park, but today corrected the location to Fanno Creek Park.

Immediately after the assault, the boy ran from the park and told his mother, who reported the incident to police.

OMG! That is TERRI! It must be! After all, she is evil incarnate, isn't she? They have no sex offenders who would take a child anywhere near Portland. The only bad person in the state is Terri Horman!

Maat wrote:OMG! That is TERRI! It must be! After all, she is evil incarnate, isn't she? They have no sex offenders who would take a child anywhere near Portland. The only bad person in the state is Terri Horman!

Good Eye, Maat! That IS definitely Terri! You can tell by the hair that has been hacked off during the time she's been hiding out at her parents' home so no one could see her!

I knew that red mane was a wig! She must have gotten it at the party store!

Calypso wrote:I knew that red mane was a wig! She must have gotten it at the party store!

Hi, guys!

I'm new...first post here...look forward to discussing the Kyron case with all of you.

Welcome, jigsaw!!! We are so happy to have you here!

Snaz wrote:Welcome, jigsaw!!! We are so happy to have you here!

Snaz: thanks for the "welcome"...I'm still learning how to navigate...won't take long, I'm sure. Glad to be on board with you guys. I'm currently following Kyron, but have a strong interest in Caylee, too.

Calypso wrote:https://www.facebook.com/pages/Missing-Kyron-Horman/125336750831264?v=wall&story_fbid=138775982819908

Read comments by Simoni Helena Rodriguez-Usher.

She is the woman making claims she saw a could be a "replica" of Kyron with an older black man behind Ockley Green- Calypso.

Posts were from this site, page #13.

http://psychicforthemissing.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=cases&action=display&thread=3&page=13

There is a place called "Swan Garden" behind the school.
6200 N Interstate is the address of the house, the windows are boarded up.

(These posts are allegedly from this Facebook link-Calypso)

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=138775982819908&id=125336750831264

These posts were posted yesterday:

She posted:
I live in n Portland in Oregon there is a boy who could be kyrons exact replica. Just no glasses he is homeless and lives in a vacant school garden. Every time I see him makes me wonder where kyron is. If you have kyron his parents need closure at least let him call. If you know something its time you speak up no more I don't want to be involved."

Simoni posted this:

"And I did stay with the child he would not tell me his name and no one ever showed so I went home. I gave him and the people he was with some water and then had to go home. I still am 100 that kyron will be home just have to stay positive and strong little guy."

imoni Helena Rodriguez-Usher And I never said I wouldn't be involved I said whoever has him needs to be involved and just let him go no more hissing I wish did know were he was no parent should go thru this come home kyron and to th parents stay strong people just don't disappear there out there somewhere

She posted again:
Simoni Helena Rodriguez-Usher "Ockely Green there is an abandoned house behind the schools field. There is a garden supposed to be for the school but homeless people use it for the water that's hooked up. He was with one man who had cats. The man said they were evicted and looking for a shelter. I asked how old his son was he would not tell me. I was by myself so I didn't stay long to keep asking. I called. Like I said nothing. Then my phone died so I went home."

One more final note on this -- she mentions
"No although we do have a sex offender across the street from peninsula. but no the garden is in the field of the school it belongs to the school. And the house is behind the back fence."

Calypso, I think its important we point out that this happened some time ago - some people reading this might think this sighting was yesterday! Did you ever get back in touch with Simoni? I gave you a contact who knows her - did she put you in touch? This was all just before the sighting of the Turquoise Plymouth Sunrise / Green Dodge car with Kyron sightings wasnt it? I always feel that those sightings could be REAL and that I hope someone in LE checked up on that tag for that car - I still have the tag if anyone wants to look into that.. It seems too coincidential to me that Simoni that night was taking the cops to see the Kyron lookalike and at almost the same time, there is a sighting of a Kyron lookalike by TWO DIFFERENT people completely unconnected in what seems to have been the same car a little distance apart (some people would describe a turquoise plymouth sunrise as a Green Dodge) speeding away.. And then we find a car of that exact description on Terri's facebook photo (an odd one at that!) see http://www.tinyurl.com/terrihormancar
TOO many coincidences..

Just realized I didnt mention that the plymouth sunrise was spotted just a few miles away from where the Kyron lookalike hung out the day before.. it ended up on the Interstate 5 heading North I believe.. Warren Or is where the tag was registered so they could have been driving to the home of whoever registered that tag.. if the cops didnt check that tag out I will never forgive them!

Simoni is no longer on facebook- at least not under that name anymore. Other than my chat conversation with her that night, I've not spoken to her since. I did pass on my information.

And no, no one contacted me.