Kyron Horman -- Missing 6/4/10 #3

Freckles wrote:Do you know how long TMH had been in the home?
How long had she been married to Kaine?

Respectfully snipped due to the length of my reply.  A few months ago, I put the following together to get the background straight in my thoughts.  I'll share the whole thing, but bold the parts specific to your questions.  (I'll address the rest of your comment approximately two posts down.)  

Snipped quote:  “ ... In January 1994, James Logan was born, [Terri’s 1st child with 1st husband, Ron Tarver, Jr.] named for James Bond and Carol Moulton's maiden name, Logan. ... “
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... The couple divorced in 1995 ... “
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... In August 1998, two years after they [Terri and 2nd husband, Richard] were married, Richard Ecker adopted James. ... “
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... Terri earned a bachelor's degree from Northwest Christian University in Eugene in 2000 ... “
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... ... 2000, ... Desiree married Kaine Horman. The couple's relationship quickly soured, however, and they planned to separate, but then Desiree got pregnant. So, they gave it another shot. ... “
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

Snipped quote:   “ ... In February 2001, the couple [Terri and 2nd husband, Richard Ecker] bought a house in Aloha with help from Horman's parents. ... “
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Snipped quote:   “ ... In January 2002, Horman and Ecker were divorced. She got primary custody of James ... “
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... [Mid-June, 2002] ...she [Terri] met Kaine Horman at a restaurant when he was out with friends and the two started dating. ... “
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... But in August 2002, when Desiree was eight months pregnant, she filed for divorce, citing irreconcilable differences. ... “
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... Kyron was born Sept. 9.  [2002] ... “
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... In mid-December 2002, Terri and James moved into his house in Aloha, Kaine said.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... Court records show that Desiree had primary custody of Kyron after her divorce with Kaine in early 2003. Both Kaine and Desiree said they worked out a joint arrangement: Kyron stayed with Desiree at night, was in day care and then spent two hours every afternoon at the Aloha house where Terri, Kaine and James were living.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... a month after filing for divorce, Young sought a restraining order against Kaine Horman, Kyron's dad. ... “
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-12134-troubled_family.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... Custody agreement changed in 2004 - Desiree said Kyron lived with her full-time for two years before she became very sick and had to make changes. Desiree had developed severe kidney problems and decided to grant temporary custody to Kaine, so she could go for treatment in Canada. ... “
http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2014/07/20/11754924/

Snipped quote:  “ ... Two months after leaving for Canada, Desiree returned to the United States with $30,000 in medical bills. To get back on her feet, she moved in with her family in Medford, who helped support her.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... so she agreed to grant full custody to Kaine. ... “
http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2014/07/20/11754924/

Snipped quote:  “ ... in about 2004, she [Terri] earned a master's in education from Pacific University in Forest Grove. ... “
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... In 2005, she [Terri] started going to the gym again, transforming her body into a mass of muscle to compete in a bodybuilding championship.

Kaine said he noticed a sharp shift in her behavior, saying she became self-centered and short-tempered.

"She's not eating a lot of food, she's exercising twice a day, she's up at 4 o'clock in the morning, she's not sleeping at night so we get just general irritable behavior towards everyone around her," he said.

He said she consumed over-the-counter stimulants, such as fat burners, in high doses. In four months between January and April, she shed 62 pounds, dropping from 185 to 123 pounds, he said. ... “
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... A source confirmed late Sunday afternoon that the Oregon Department of Human Services opened a case on Terri Horman following a 2005 arrest and charge of driving under the influence. Her biological son, who was 11 at the time, was in the car when his mother was arrested. As such, Horman also was convicted of reckless endangerment of that son. ... “
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97777564.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... At the end of 2006, Kaine sold the Aloha house, and in January 2007 the family moved to rural Northwest Portland. Terri found the secluded, wooded property on Northwest Sheltered Nook Road, and Kaine bought the house. ... “
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... ...the couple [Kaine and Terri were] was married April 15, 2007 in Princeville, Kauai, Hawaii. ... “
http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2014/07/20/11744626/


Snipped quote:  “ ... court records reveal that in 2008—a year after she married Kaine Horman—Terri Moulton Horman wrote the court, saying Ecker [the 2nd husband and adoptive father of James] had ceased all contact with the family for three years. Washington County ordered him to start paying $493 a month, and the issue has since faded from the public record. ... “
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-12134-troubled_family.html

Snipped quote:  “ ... Kiara was born Nov. 12, 2008.  ... “
http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2014/07/20/11744626/

Snipped quote:  “ ... "I thought the marriage was doing pretty well," Kaine Horman said during a one-on-one interview with The Oregonian, "until we had our daughter, Kiara."

Horman said he thought his marriage to Terri Moulton Horman fractured within six months after she gave birth in November 2008, the result of postpartum depression.

Terri Horman was put on medication for the depression, and her doctor told Kaine to keep an eye on her to make sure she was OK, he said.
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_father_recalls_w.html
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Yikes!  Maybe that is too much info?  

I'll cut it there and add a few thoughts in my very next comment.

One thing I want to make note of for purposes of our discussion, is that Desiree had primary custody of Kyron until he was 18 months to two years old.  At that time Desiree became gravely ill, and left the country for a very serious operation.  Desiree voluntarily relinquished custody of both her sons to their respective fathers at that time.

I draw attention to this only because TMH is now constantly saying she was Kyron's mother from the time he was three days old. That is simply not true.  She was, indeed, never his mother.  We only each have one mother.  Kyron's mother is Desiree.  The lies of TMH can never change that fact.

All she ever was to Kyron was his step-mother.  And, imo, she doesn't deserve that title, either.

Freckles wrote:Kyron appears to be suffering tremendous stress.
Often, the causes of stress are physical/emotional abuse or sexual abuse.
It is related to the child's perception (real or not) of a sense of loss of autonomy.

Yes, I do agree with these very sobering thoughts.  You know, it is TMH, herself and no-one else, that is pushing the sexual abuse theory.  Suppose by some fat chance she is telling the truth--statistics show that in the majority of child sexual abuse cases, the child is molested by someone in the home, or a close family member.  Let us not name them, but let us take a moment to consider everyone who ever lived under the Horman roof until Kyron went missing.  Everyone, adult and non-adult.

And then, of course, there are the close family members to consider.  These links provide public knowledge but I find posting them distasteful because I feel it is exactly what TMH would want.  I do not forget that TMH once said that "it was all going to come out." And I sense she intends to make that happen, no matter what the cost to anyone.

I'm not going to quote from these links, but here they are:

http://www.examiner.com/article/kyron-horman-update-details-emerge-about-kyron-s-uncle-charged-child-molestation-case

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_paternal_uncle_s.html

Freckles wrote:Due to TMH's penchant for porn and an "alternative" sexual lifestyle, I am guessing she was the person directly responsible for Kyron's stress.

TMH may have been playing Kyron up in public but laying guilt trips on him in private for the loss of her older son. (Like to hear from that person!)

Well, I agree with the overall theme here.  I suspect that her taste for porn and the "swingers" lifestyle may have been shared with her then husband.  I wholeheartedly believe that she has the personality capability to be beyond cruel to a sweet, tender, artistic little boy who liked to joke and smile.

Regarding her biological son who is older than Kyron, TMH has been successful in preventing law enforcement from hearing from him.  I'm sure she feels that is never going to happen, but I hope she is wrong on that count.

TMH told a lot of stories about why that child was sent away, and probably all of them are lies.  Here is a version from Kaine, which is not so well known:

Snipped quote:  “ ...  In February, [2010] Terri sent James to Roseburg to live with his maternal grandparents.

"I was on a business trip when she made that decision," Kaine said. "She called me on my first day (in California) and said they had gotten into a fight. She couldn't handle it anymore. She was going to call his dad to talk about other options."

Kaine said he didn't want James to move out, but it wasn't his decision. ... “
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/terri_horman.html

We know this child also appeared to be having behavioral problems, as well.  He is purportedly very bright, but was failing at all his classes; skipping school; resentful of household chores; probably much, much more.  After only a few months of living with TMH's parents in Roseburg, and regular visits with his biological father, he managed to turn his life around and become a straight "A" student according to TMH.  Interesting, huh?

Freckles wrote:Kaine, IMO, knows more about what went on in the home...and he has yet to offer up a valid explanation as to the home life, TMH's interactions with others, TMH's concerns, etc.. I do believe Kaine and TMH had to be having some terrific rows...and she may have been yelling out her resentment of Kyron where he heard the accusations...and he was powerless as he was just a kid.

Oh, totally.  Kaine could explain so much.  He is a very private person, and I can't say I blame him; although, I pray that he has come clean with law enforcement.  That is what really matters.

Just as an example of one small area I wish he would elaborate on:  June 4, 2010.  He gets home from work around 2:00 pm.  I'm cool with that--I get he; his job allows him to work from home.  Lucky him.  So, it is about two o'clock and he is home.  Maybe not exactly in the following order, but he says that he noted TMH was on her computer; he kissed his daughter hello; grabbed something to eat; and went in his study/office to get some work done until around three o'clock, or so.  He then finishes up his work, helps his daughter put on her shoes, and leaves to walk to the bus stop to meet Kyron.  TMH follows behind.

This explanation causes me to have many, many questions.  Why did he not speak to his wife?  Possibly this is an oversight in his story.  Note he has denied the huge fight the night before.  (In which they were up until 3:00 am.)

As TMH was suppose to be at the talent show with Kyron, why was he not surprised to find her home?  I'm quite sure the talent show was scheduled to last until 2:00 pm.  Maybe she offered an explanation, an email even, and for some reason he doesn't want to share it with the public.  Kaine says the reason she drove the F250 that day was to bring Kyron's science fair project home;  but at what time was she suppose to bring it home?  The science fair went on until 10:00 am.  Had she thought about bringing it home shortly after 10:00 am and then scooting back to the school for the talent show at 1:00 pm?  Had she decided to leave it at the school until after the 1:00 pm talent show ended, when her, her toddler, and Kyron all could have came home together?  Why did Kaine think Kyron was taking the bus home that day?  Surely the school would have released the children if a parent or step-parent were there to bring them home.

I know some of these questions can be easily explained by the baby being sick, but this is something else that Kaine has denied. What were TMH's original plans for June 4/10, and when and why did they change?  Surely Kaine had/has some idea.

And maybe the strangest of all--TMH walked behind Kaine and their daughter to the bus stop!  Now, TMH is not the kind of woman to walk behind her husband and daughter.  Nope, nope.  She is not the type of woman who would normally stand for that.

Freckles wrote:Since there was no report of Kyron having these problems prior to the arrival of TMH, I must conclude the problems that started with her ARE directly related to her....and that stinking attitude of hers plus her weirdness. Dede should come clean. And since she hasn't, I have to wonder just how deep those two females are involved in the "mental torture" and disappearance of the child.

While I will always believe that TMH could never replace Desiree in Kyron's eyes, that she was in his life from the beginning--at least for short periods of time--is evident.  We know Desiree moved out because of the affair between Kaine and Terri when she was eight months pregnant with Kyron.  TMH supposedly did wonderful things like teach Kyron sign language when he was a baby so she could communicate with him; apparently she was the first person to notice he needed glasses.  I'm trying to be honest, even though I am gagging.

I personally would point to the dramatic body building and alcohol abuse, which began around 2005 and to the personality change noted by Kaine.  That is when I suspect at least the verbal abuse began.  Kyron would only have been around three years old--too little to tell his mother.  Desiree was not even aware of the 2005 DUI and child endangerment charges against TMH until after Kyron went missing.

Yes, Spicher should come clean.  But she won't because her self-esteem is so low that she is desperate for the affection and approval of TMH.  They pretend there is no contact between them.  Perhaps there is no physical contact, but my money is on the fact that these two communicate regularly.  Private messages sent through friends of friends; old fashioned mail; the dark net--I don't know, but I do know where there is a will there is a way; and there is a will.  
 

Freckles wrote:This makes me as angry as when Susan Powell disappeared and then her boys were murdered...

Yes, I'm there, too.  

I watched the public part of the funeral service for Susan's little boys.  Before the anger, I cried my eyes out.  Then I pounded my desk; and shook my fist at the heavens.  There were no answers that day, either.

I admit I see a tiny, tiny crack of light suggesting that Kyron may be alive.  I'm currently believing he was passed to someone else that day.  What happened to him after that is the question.  Five and a half years is a long time.

James:
JMO, he was sent from the home. Why? Did he know something was going on and that threatened TMH? Did he inform Kaine of irregularities between TMH and Kyron? Was he the perp acting out against Kyron because of his upbringing?

Re the failure of TMH to attend the school's afternoon events:
She couldn't without disclosing Kyron was NOT with her.
She would have had to come up with an alibi as to where Kyron was and that would mean naming some other person...who might discount her story.

Excellent point re the school WOULD release the child to the parent in attendance.
Logical!

Also, I had read Kaine was going to treat Kyron to ice cream treat after school.
Why would they not have gone directly to the school to pick up Kyron, said good-byes to other teachers, students, parents, and then gone off for the ice cream? In fact, IF the baby was sick, Kaine could have done this WITHOUT TMH being present!
(BTW, IF the baby was that sick, why was TMH hauling the child all around town...for hours???)

All the way back to the beginning.
Why did TMH need the truck that day?
Kaine could have picked Kyron (and school items) up when school was dismissed IF he had kept the truck. TMH still had use of her car...(and I suspect the science display board WOULD have fit in the trunk of the car or on edge in the back seat... Was it ever claimed?)

Terri Horman talks to People Magazine about missing Kyron Horman

People Magazine got an interview with Terri Horman, the stepmom of Kyron Horman. The purpose according to the reporter is so that Terri can clear the suspicion around her, because she has been trying to restart her life.

Byron (sic) went missing on June 4, 2010 from Skyline School in Oregon. Early on, Terri Horman was thought to be suspicious by many, although she has never been charged with a crime.

“He had not been at school that day and had been unaccounted for six hours and nobody called me,” Terri said...You go back again and again, what if.” ..."

(Not at school that day??? Was the picture taken on a different date, uploaded to reflect a date change, and Kyron HAD disappeared PRIOR to school that morning???)

"...Surprisingly, Terri stated that there was someone else that was the last time to see him, but it was not stated who that was. I don't know if that will come out on the Friday interview or not...."

The full interview with Terry will be on Friday, Jan. 22. Tune in to ABC's GMA and Nightline on Friday for a PEOPLE/ABC News exclusive sit down interview with Terri Horman.

http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2016/01/terry-horman-talks-to-people-magazine.html

Freckles wrote:James:
JMO, he was sent from the home. Why? Did he know something was going on and that threatened TMH? Did he inform Kaine of irregularities between TMH and Kyron? Was he the perp acting out against Kyron because of his upbringing?

These are all good questions.  He spoke well about Kaine; and Kaine spoke well about him.  I believe Kaine even reached out to him, but TMH put a stop to that.  LE missed an opportunity if they didn't interview him.

Freckles wrote:Re the failure of TMH to attend the school's afternoon events:
She couldn't without disclosing Kyron was NOT with her.
She would have had to come up with an alibi as to where Kyron was and that would mean naming some other person...who might discount her story.

And I feel it really shows guilty knowledge on her part.  If she had truly dropped Kyron off at school and believed everything was fine, then why wouldn't she have shown up for the talent show at 1:00 pm?  Besides telling Desiree she was going to be there with Kyron, she told the witness at the Fred Meyer that she was just "taking a break".  How strange is that?  If between 9:30 am to 10:00 am, (when she spoke with the witness) she was planning to go back to Skyline; did something go wrong with her plan shortly thereafter and she needed more time?  This alone would have easily given all who may have been involved about three more hours.

Freckles wrote:Excellent point re the school WOULD release the child to the parent in attendance.
Logical!

It's kind of shocking when I read it just like this--it is exactly for this reason that she was allowed to walk him out of that school to never be seen again.

Freckles wrote:Also, I had read Kaine was going to treat Kyron to ice cream treat after school.
Why would they not have gone directly to the school to pick up Kyron, said good-byes to other teachers, students, parents, and then gone off for the ice cream? In fact, IF the baby was sick, Kaine could have done this WITHOUT TMH being present!
(BTW, IF the baby was that sick, why was TMH hauling the child all around town...for hours???)

Oooh, you make a good point here.  Kaine must have expected to pick them up home, or he probably would have gone to the school. So, I wonder when he knew she didn't intend to go to the talent show, and what excuse she gave him.  Maybe the baby not feeling well; but he didn't seem to think twice about putting her shoes on and taking her, too.  So strange, even the simple things are incomprehensible.

My understanding is that the baby wasn't really terribly sick, maybe just cranky and getting over something she had needed antibiotics for.

Freckles wrote:All the way back to the beginning.
Why did TMH need the truck that day?
Kaine could have picked Kyron (and school items) up when school was dismissed IF he had kept the truck. TMH still had use of her car...(and I suspect the science display board WOULD have fit in the trunk of the car or on edge in the back seat...  Was it ever claimed?)

Kaine did say that the display board would have fit in the car, but everyone was worried about the diorama getting damaged--not really that it wouldn't fit.  I think Kaine didn't mind driving the red Mustang at all--he was more than willing to cooperate.  Just to note, TMH had used the truck the day before, too.  She took the project to the school on the 3rd.

If I'm recalling this correctly, law enforcement seized Kyron's science project as evidence.  For some reason, though, they released his coat and backpack to Kaine and he took them home.  This was in an interview.  If I find the link, I promise I will post it.

Another thing I'll mention here is that TMH bizarrely says that she sent the teacher an email asking when she could pick up the science project.  I think the story goes that she sent it around 1:00 pm--once she got home from the gym.  According to TMH, the fact that the teacher never replied is somehow further evidence that the school is responsible for Kyron's disappearance.

I think it shows that she deliberately waited until 1:00 pm when she knew the teacher would be too busy with the little ones to even check her email.

^^^
"..If I'm recalling this correctly, law enforcement seized Kyron's science project as evidence. For some reason, though, they released his coat and backpack to Kaine and he took them home. This was in an interview. ...."

This would indicate Kyron was NOT in possession of the coat or the backpack at the time he disappeared. So TMH reportedly took Kyron to school that AM BUT she kept the coat AND the school backpack??? Knowing the day was full with assemblies and goodbyes, why even send the backpack??? And why did she have them rather than Kyron?

^^^

"....Another thing I'll mention here is that TMH bizarrely says that she sent the teacher an email asking when she could pick up the science project. I think the story goes that she sent it around 1:00 pm--once she got home from the gym. According to TMH, the fact that the teacher never replied is somehow further evidence that the school is responsible for Kyron's disappearance.

I think it shows that she deliberately waited until 1:00 pm when she knew the teacher would be too busy with the little ones to even check her email...."

Yep! Probably in the middle of bringing kids in from lunch and lining them up for the school's afternoon program.

Freckles wrote:Terri Horman talks to People Magazine about missing Kyron Horman

People Magazine got an interview with Terri Horman, the stepmom of Kyron Horman. The purpose according to the reporter is so that Terri can clear the suspicion around her, because she has been trying to restart her life.

Byron (sic) went missing on June 4, 2010 from Skyline School in Oregon.  Early on, Terri Horman was thought to be suspicious by many, although she has never been charged with a crime.

“He had not been at school that day and had been unaccounted for six hours and nobody called me,”  Terri said...You go back again and again, what if.” ..."

(Not at school that day??? Was the picture taken on a different date, uploaded to reflect a date change, and Kyron HAD disappeared PRIOR to school that morning???)

"...Surprisingly, Terri stated that there was someone else that was the last time to see him, but it was not stated who that was.  I don't know if that will come out on the Friday interview or not...."

The full interview with Terry will be on Friday, Jan. 22. Tune in to ABC's GMA and Nightline on Friday for a PEOPLE/ABC News exclusive sit down interview with Terri Horman.

http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2016/01/terry-horman-talks-to-people-magazine.html

Regarding your first bolding:  Welp, I can't find another article that quoted her making that statement.  I'm thinking it may have come from a video transcription, and is possibly in error.

I don't think she denies that Kyron was at school that day.  She sticks pretty much to the story that she walked him partway to his classroom and then watched from the hallway until Kyron was right at the very doorway to his classroom; then she turned and walked toward the door that leads to the parking lot.  She exited through that door.  That's her story.

Law enforcement has confirmed that Kyron was at school that morning until 8:45 am.  He was seen there.  So were TMH and Kiara.

The picture, too, has been verified by law enforcement.  They know the time and date that picture was taken.  There is even a witness who saw TMH taking that picture.  She also took a picture of Kyron's friend, Kurtis, standing beside his own project.  Law enforcement is sure those pictures were taken that morning.

Possibly we can't be sure of the version we have from the Web, but law enforcement has an authentic, verified version.  No photo shopping.  The actual time it was taken was never confirmed for us bloggers, but law enforcement knows.  (I believe it was 8:15 am.)

I'm going to post the picture below.  I know we have all seen it, but it never hurts to see his little face.  You can see plaid shirt guy and little dark haired girl that everyone discusses.  I believe law enforcement knows the identity of both man and child, and has confirmed they have nothing to do with Kyron's disappearance.

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kyron_Horman.jpg

Regarding the second bolding:  Friday, Jan. 22.  I believe it is this video and article to which they are referring:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/terri-horman-investigators-made-life-hell-stepson-kyrons/story?id=36437200

The video was embedded on the previous page, but I neglected to link the article.

Freckles wrote:^^^
"..If I'm recalling this correctly, law enforcement seized Kyron's science project as evidence. For some reason, though, they released his coat and backpack to Kaine and he took them home. This was in an interview.  ...."

This would indicate Kyron was NOT in possession of the coat or the backpack at the time he disappeared. So TMH reportedly took Kyron to school that AM BUT she kept the coat AND the school backpack??? Knowing the day was full with assemblies and goodbyes, why even send the backpack??? And why did she have them rather than Kyron?

Well, I'm not sure you could say she kept them.  My understanding is that she left them both in Kyron's classroom.  I'm not sure what Kyron would have carried in his backpack--maybe his lunch?  I guess she would have known he wouldn't need that; but, she could have put his coat on him!  It was cold and rainy that day.  I don't understand why she wouldn't have at least put his coat on him. Was it something about that darn CSI t-shirt?

The theory goes, though, that she left them to indicate that he had been there and would be coming back (or had never left)--more effort on behalf of TMH to point towards the school as being at fault for Kyron's disappearance, imo.

Freckles wrote:^^^

"....Another thing I'll mention here is that TMH bizarrely says that she sent the teacher an email asking when she could pick up the science project.  I think the story goes that she sent it around 1:00 pm--once she got home from the gym.  According to TMH, the fact that the teacher never replied is somehow further evidence that the school is responsible for Kyron's disappearance.

I think it shows that she deliberately waited until 1:00 pm when she knew the teacher would be too busy with the little ones to even check her email...."

Yep! Probably in the middle of bringing kids in from lunch and lining them up for the school's afternoon program.

Exactly.  Kyron had a "partner" that he had spent time rehearsing with.  That's all I know, I don't know if it was a song, or what they had rehearsed.  But, that possibly means there were other children in small groups all doing their various performances at different times.  That would take a lot of work on behalf of the teachers.

Well, that threw a screw into the school's program when TMH announced she had to take Kyron to the doctor on THAT day...knowing very well how much the children had prepared for the day's activities. (In the midst of so much excitement, TMH ripped away all the happiness and joy Kyron was anticipating. That is evil.) The horror his classmates must have felt knowing they would not see Kyron ever again... The stress has to be intense.

She is such an evil, wicked person.

Has anyone seen the following?  I don't think it is good news for progress in Kyron's case.  There is probably no one at the helm--they are all embroiled in their own battle.

Write up and video at first link below:
Snipped quote:  A chief deputy in the Multnomah County sheriff's office has filed a tort claim accusing Sheriff Dan Staton of workplace misconduct and sexual harassment.
http://www.kgw.com/news/local/multnomah-county-sheriff-accused-of-workplace-misconduct/31433883

Staton welcomed the opportunity for an outside inquiry, and it looks like he will have his opportunity:
Snipped quote:  Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum has agreed to investigate Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton, according to a letter sent to the state by County Chairwoman Deborah Kafoury.
http://www.wweek.com/2016/02/05/the-oregon-department-of-justice-agrees-to-investigate-multnomah-county-sheriff-dan-staton/

Snipped and quoted from the tort claim:    

 


...On one occasion, Sheriff Staton described Multnomah County’s District Attorney Rod Underhill’s excitement about an issue using the metaphor, “Rod was ejaculating all over the table.”  The Sheriff went on to describe County Commissioner Diane McKeel’s excitement using the metaphor, “she wet herself.”  Sheriff Staton also referred to County Chair Deborah Kafoury’s Chief of Staff as a “Blonde Bimbo.”  In January of 2015, during a Sheriff Office Executive Team meeting, Sheriff Staton informed another member of the Executive Staff he could stop “being googly eyed" over Deputy County Attorney Jenny Madkour.  The Sheriff went on to state, “Have you seen her lately?  She gained her weight back.”  In early February of 2015 Sheriff Staton began to refer to Assistant County Attorney Carlo Calandriello as the “bald Fucker.”  The Sheriff also began mocking the Multnomah County Presiding Judge Nan Waller’s facial mole, by referring to the facial mole as Judge Waller’s “sister.”  The above mentioned incidents are only a few examples of the sexist and inappropriate comments Chief Deputy Yankee found offensive and created a hostile work environment for the only female Chief Duputy on the Sheriff’s staff.  Unfortunately, this is not the only tortuous behavior Chief Deputy Yankee was forced to endure.  The Sheriff frequently touched Chief Deputy Yankee inappropriately and insisted on hugging Chief Deputy Yankee, while it was his custom to shake hands with her male peers.




…The Sheriff answered by calling Chief Deputy Yankee “stupid” and informing her that his plan was too complicated for her to understand.  …  During that meeting with the Sheriff, he raised his voice and berated Chief Deputy Yankee to the point she broke down in tears.




…After the briefing, Sheriff Staton and Chief Deputy Yankee returned to the Sheriff’s office where the Sheriff repeatedly referred to County Budget Director Karyne Kieta as “stupid.”  He then informed Chief Deputy Yankee that he convened a meeting of the Planning & Research Unit and informed them that if they told Chief Deputy Yankee or anyone of the matters they discussed he would “slit their throats.”  The Sheriff then went on an unexplained rant where he threatened most of the executive staff and specifically threatened to fire Chief Deputy Yankee if the Sheriff’s Office did not stay within budget restraints.  …
https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/297791206?access_key=key-NdhqCu8zBiHs4UGtFX8v&allow_share=true&escape=false&view_mode=scroll

^^^
".... The above mentioned incidents are only a few examples of the sexist and inappropriate comments Chief Deputy Yankee found offensive and created a hostile work environment for the only female Chief Duputy on the Sheriff’s staff. Unfortunately, this is not the only tortuous behavior Chief Deputy Yankee was forced to endure. The Sheriff frequently touched Chief Deputy Yankee inappropriately and insisted on hugging Chief Deputy Yankee, while it was his custom to shake hands with her male peers...."

Having lived through decades of inappropriate sexual comments, I can only say these are NOT original and are very boring. The sheriff, however, needs replacing due to his sexism, bias, and ineffective leadership. Thankfully, I was brought up in a more intellectual home where profanity and coarseness where regarded as marks of the uneducated. Simply put, he is a low-life.

Thanks for the timeline of Jan. 31. It is MOST informative.

Freckles wrote:^^^
".... The above mentioned incidents are only a few examples of the sexist and inappropriate comments Chief Deputy Yankee found offensive and created a hostile work environment for the only female Chief Duputy on the Sheriff’s staff.  Unfortunately, this is not the only tortuous behavior Chief Deputy Yankee was forced to endure.  The Sheriff frequently touched Chief Deputy Yankee inappropriately and insisted on hugging Chief Deputy Yankee, while it was his custom to shake hands with her male peers...."

Having lived through decades of inappropriate sexual comments, I can only say these are NOT original and are very boring.

BBM, I got my best morning smile from this.  How true.  

Freckles wrote:The sheriff, however, needs replacing due to his sexism, bias, and ineffective leadership.

And the sooner the better.  Lawsuits like this can drag on for years.  Kyron has already been missing for years.  They need to get past this fast, and remember the night they looked into the camera and promised a little seven year old boy they would bring him home. Kyron is still waiting.

Freckles wrote:Thankfully, I was brought up in a more intellectual home where profanity and coarseness where regarded as marks of the uneducated.  Simply put, he is a low-life.

BBM - I couldn't agree more.  They need to "file 13" the low-life, and move on.

Freckles wrote:Thanks for the timeline of Jan. 31. It is MOST informative.

You're most welcome.  

That was one of the easiest timelines to do for this case.

A timeline for the movements of TMH on June 4/10 is almost impossible.  Nearly every point has a questionable, or arguable aspect to it.

I haven't actually seen the interview in People magazine, but I heard that TMH added a stop at a craft store to her timeline; as well as saying that she actually pulled over on the side of a road for half an hour to rock Kiara to sleep, maybe on Highway 30 near Logie Road.  Yep, this time she says that her daughter actually went to sleep and she drove for the remaining missing time to keep her sleeping.

It looks to me like what she has done is sat down in front of the internet with Google Maps opened and calculated her time.  "A" on the map below is Walker Road Fred Meyers, where a witness places her leaving around 10:00 am.  "B" is the corner of Logie Road and Highway 30 which is across from Sauvie Island and could account for her pinging; and "C" is the gym where her 11:39 am arrival time is well known.  All this--adding in the half hour stop for the baby--would take about 70 minutes.

Assuming she stopped at the Cornelius Pass Fred Meyer, Magic Cleaners, and Starbucks prior to 10:00 am; she has about 29 minutes left before arriving at the gym for 11:39 am.  So, throw in a quick stop at a craft store, allow for the driving time of Google maps to be a little off or maybe for taking a slower route to soothe Kiara, and--voila--her timeline works.  There is no missing time. No time for a rendezvous with Spicher or anyone else.  

^^^
AND! TMH did not ever take either of the children to the doctor despite stating they were each so very ill... Right.
BTW, Wasn't the child sleeping at @ 2 PM when Kaine returned to the home???

Where was the child  during the time TMH was at the gym?
Anyone  there vouch for TMH, TMH and child at gym????
What time was that?

Any possibility TMH removed her cell phone from the vehicle and intentionally left it somewhere while she drove off in order to make it look like she had stayed in one location for a period of time? Is this what TMH may have been referring to when she said she pulled off to spend time putting her child to sleep?

Freckles wrote:^^^AND! TMH did not ever take either of the children to the doctor despite stating they were each so very ill... Right.

I believe you are correct on this point. We can say for a certainty that Kyron did not appear at any doctor on June 4, 2010. Kyron was last seen on the morning of June 4, 2010 at Skyline School. TMH, herself, says that the appointment was for the 11th. TMH says the teacher--who was hard of hearing in one ear, {hehehe}--misunderstood her, and believed the appointment was for the 4th.

This whole business about the doctor's appointment served two purposes for TMH:  1) it allowed her to walk out of that school with 7 year old Kyron, who would never be seen again. And 2) it continues to allow her to blame the school for his disappearance.

It has never been confirmed, not even by Desiree, if there was, or was not, a doctor's appointment for Kyron on June 11, 2010.    

Freckles wrote:BTW, Wasn't the child sleeping at @ 2 PM when Kaine returned to the home???

Well. I never actually read that anywhere; so I don't know for sure. I know that Kaine said in more than one interview that he checked on his daughter and gave her a little kiss when he got home around 2:00 pm.  I suppose she could have been sleeping. Sometime around 3:00 pm is when he helped her put her shoes on to go to the bus stop to meet Kyron. Maybe she had been walking around the house in her bare feet, but she could have been just waking up, too.

Freckles wrote:Where was the child  during the time TMH was at the gym?
Anyone  there vouch for TMH, TMH and child at gym????
What time was that?

Kaine and Desiree have always said TMH had Kiara with her all that day. TMH has confirmed that in her recent interviews, too. The gym she always went to had a child care area where members could drop their children off while they worked out. Kiara was most likely there. It was between 11:39 am and 12:40 pm.

The witness who saw TMH between 9:30 am and 10:30 am, stated that TMH was holding Kiara.  This witness actually knew TMH and Kiara from the gym.  She said that she had hardly ever seen Kyron there with TMH; but had often seen Kiara.

Now, the woman from Magic Cleaners said that TMH was alone. But, unfortunately, we don't know what time that was. I personally do not think that TMH would have left her then 18 month old daughter alone in the vehicle. I think it is quite likely that someone else was with TMH at whatever time that was, and that person waited in the car with the baby.

Okay, now I'll get back to the topic--we can't officially confirm that Kiara was at the gym daycare on June 4, 2010. These facts have never been confirmed by law enforcement.

Freckles wrote:Any  possibility TMH removed her cell phone from the vehicle and intentionally left it somewhere while she drove off in order to make it look like she had stayed in one location for a period of time? Is this what TMH may have been referring to when she said she pulled off to spend time putting her child to sleep?

At the very least, there is something strange with that cell phone.

I don't believe it was ever said that she lost or misplaced it at any time; and, eventually, I think law enforcement got around to examining it.  So, if she left it somewhere, or with someone, she met up with them or went back and picked up her phone.

Another thing that has never actually been said is what time her cell phone pinged the Sauvie Island/Highway 30 area.  If it was only after 10:10 am, then that jives very well with the new and improved TMH timeline.

I need to go back and check the dates on some of the old articles, but right now I'm fairly sure that TMH never mentioned driving on Highway 30 until the Sauvie Island searches started.  I think she only added that convenient stop to justify the Sauvie Island pings, even though--according to her--she was never on Sauvie Island that day.

But that still leaves all those strange witness sightings:  one of a red haired woman driving a white truck on Highway 30 around 9:15 am;  another of a woman driving a white truck around 3:00 pm, near the Highway 30 area; plus one at 2:00 am on June 5/10 in the same area as the 3:00 pm sighting.

I wonder if there were any pings or gps tracking or anything around those times.  I wonder what really, really justified those searches.  Surely they had something.  Right?

I just get so confused sometimes.

Nan:
You are doing an excellent job keeping things straight. With so much info (correct and then again, deceitful) I don't know how you can process all the "reports" from the different sources and keep them so well aligned. You have shared info I was not even aware of! Like, WOW!

Freckles wrote:Nan:
You are doing an excellent job keeping things straight. With so much info (correct and then again, deceitful) I don't know how you can process all the "reports" from the different sources and keep them so well aligned. You have shared info I was not even aware of! Like, WOW!

Thank you, Freckles!      

When Kyron first went missing, I followed this case devotedly.  At some point, I slipped away from it.  I found the warring sides nasty and I didn't know what to make of it.  I thought I would wait until Kyron was found and then look at it again.

Needless to say, I'm still waiting for Kyron; however, recently I decided I would review what we have.  The most telling thing for me, though, is that almost six years have passed.  TMH is desperate to see her daughter, yet she has not taken one step to make that happen.  She is afraid of something.

Kaine once said in an old interview that since she failed three polygraphs with the reason for her failure of each centering around the questions concerning the last time she saw Kyron, that we all know the implication.  That isn't a direct quote, but I hope I have captured his meaning correctly.

Interesting to note, it was TMH, herself, that stormed home to explained to Kaine, Desiree, and Tony all about the failed polys, each time trying to justify why she failed with ever changing stories.  Now she has settled on being deaf in one ear--which was never mentioned before.  So, a new story.  I think we all know what the changing stories indicate, too.

There is a rumor that TMH is going to give an interview to "Blink;" as did her good friend DeDe.  If I understand correctly, Blink hopes to clear up a few points in TMH's latest story which may appear confusing, due to media "cutting."

We wait.

Just an update on that tort claim business--a settlement has been reached but the Department of Justice intends to continue with their investigation.
 
Snipped quote:  PORTLAND, OR (KPTV) -
Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton has reached a settlement with a chief deputy who filed a tort claim alleging inappropriate behavior that led to a "hostile work environment" by the sheriff.
http://www.kptv.com/story/31201231/multnomah-co-sheriff-settles-with-chief-deputy-claiming-hostile-work-environment

I wonder how many weeks he worked in 2010?

Snipped quote:  Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton is a relatively infrequent visitor to his office at 501 SE Hawthorne Blvd.

Parking records and calendars show he came to the office just 114 days in 2015 and 122 days the year before. That's just 47 weeks in two years.
http://www.wweek.com/2016/02/17/records-show-multnomah-county-sheriff-dan-staton-rarely-goes-to-his-office/

This sheriff is really a disgrace to his office.  As I read articles of this nature, I can't help but feel I begin to understand not only why Kyron was never found, but why no arrests were ever made--in spite of reports of probable cause existing.  

Snipped quote:  Last August, Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton laid off an analyst in his office. At the time, Staton said he made the decision for financial reasons.

But two former employees of the sheriff's office now tell WW they believe analyst Amanda Lamb actually lost her job because she had, only days earlier, produced a report showing that Staton's corrections deputies used force disproportionately against black inmates in Multnomah County's jails.
http://www.wweek.com/2016/02/19/multnomah-county-sheriff-dan-staton-laid-off-analyst-who-wrote-report-showing-higher-use-of-force-against-black-inmates/

So the sheriff is showing up to work 2-3 days a week, right?
(365 days a year and he is there 141 days...about 1/3 days.)
Not defending him (because I think he has done a poor job on this case running hot and cold) but I am wondering if they work 10-12 hour schedules?

EDITED:
Helps if I read the provided links...
http://www.wweek.com/2016/02/17/records-show-multnomah-county-sheriff-dan-staton-rarely-goes-to-his-office/

".... The parking records do show he didn't enter the parking garage in October or November of that year. (Staton's calendar shows he came to the office 19 days in those two months, which is included in the total cited in this story.)..."

There is an average of 22 working days per month.
Showing up 19 days of 44 possible days? Bit slim...

Freckles wrote:So the sheriff is showing up to work 2-3 days a week, right?
(365 days a year and he is there 141 days...about 1/3 days.)
Not defending him (because I think he has done a poor job on this case running hot and cold) but I am wondering if they work 10-12 hour schedules?

EDITED:
Helps if I read the provided links...
http://www.wweek.com/2016/02/17/records-show-multnomah-county-sheriff-dan-staton-rarely-goes-to-his-office/

".... The parking records do show he didn't enter the parking garage in October or November of that year. (Staton's calendar shows he came to the office 19 days in those two months, which is included in the total cited in this story.)..."

There is an average of 22 working days per month.
Showing up 19 days of 44 possible days? Bit slim...

Yep, I find it a bit slim, indeed.

Here is an article that came out a few days later which offers some defense.  I dunno--maybe he is spread too thin.  Now he has two more tort claims filed against him.  I'm going to post links in my next comment.  

Beginning snipped quote:  Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton is adamantly denying a recent news report that accused him of not working full time.


Staton says he spends much of his time on duty outside the headquarters building. For example, the Multnomah County Sheriffs Office has employees in eight other locations in the county that Staton says he visits regularly. They include the downtown Justice Center Jail and Inverness Jail in Northeast Portland, the downtown Multnomah County Courthouse and East County Courthouse, the Hansen Building in East Portland, the Troutdale Police Community Center, and two locations for the River Patrol.

“An important part of the job is visiting each location, talking to the people there, and seeing that their needs are being met,” Staton says.

The sheriff also serves in a number of organizations that meet in other locations. For example, he serves on several committees of the Oregon State Sheriffs Association, which is based in Salem. One is the Legislative Committee, which meets regularly during legislative sessions to take stands on bills and coordinate testimony, Staton says.

Staton also attends training sessions throughout the year at locations outside the county headquarters to maintain his certification to be sheriff. Some are held at the MCSO Training Facility at Northeast 172nd Avenue and Sandy Boulevard.

He also meets with partner law enforcement agencies at their offices from time to time to discuss mutual issues, including the FBI and U.S. Marshal.

The detailed calendar shows such meetings outside the county headquarters over the past two years. It also shows that Staton attended other events at different locations. They started with a town hall hosted by Oregon U.S. Sen. Jeff Merkley at the Multnomah Arts Center on Jan. 3, 2014, and ended with a party for the Community Transitional School at Inverness Jail on Dec. 17, 2015.  End quote


http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/294460-171410-embattled-multnomah-county-sheriff-defends-work-record

So, it looks like the "Sheriff" on Kyron's case has crossed some boundaries that should never have been crossed, and is in a heaping amount of trouble.  What this will ultimately mean to Kyron's case--I'm not sure.


Updated February 23 at 11:53 AM
Published February 23 at 11:42 AM

Snipped quote:  The notice, filed with the county on Feb. 22, says that Barbara Elizabeth Trojan, one of 15 members of the committee, is seeking damages arising from Staton's comments at a Jan. 11, 2016 meeting he called with county union leaders.

At that meeting, according to notes taken by American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees Local 88 Jason Heilbrun, Staton said that in order to find out more about the charter review committee members, he'd "had a full profile done of them"—i.e., on each of the 15 citizen volunteers on the committee  End
http://www.wweek.com/2016/02/23/member-of-multnomah-countys-charter-review-commission-files-notice-of-intent-to-sue-sheriff-dan-staton/

______________________________

Updated 12:10 AM
Published February 26 at 9:55 AM

Snipped quote:  Former Multnomah County Sheriff's Lt. Brent Ritchie has filed a tort claim notice with the county, notifying it that he intends to sue Sheriff Dan Staton.

"It is our assertion that Sheriff Staton ostracized Mr. Ritchie, created a hostile work environment environment and/or threatened to demote Mr. Ritchie in whole or in part due to his participation in the use of force audit," wrote Ritchie's attorney, Sean Riddell, on Feb. 25.  End
http://www.wweek.com/2016/02/26/sheriff-dan-statons-former-executive-assistant-files-notice-of-intent-to-sue-staton/

I find the below "list of suggestions" very well put together.  These are the elements that are pulled out again and again and again in defense of TMH.  The comments by the poster "Don't Blink" also offer some enlightenment--at least from the side of those who support Kyron's biological parents and sincerely locating Kyron.

 https://www.facebook.com/161645780592018/photos/pb.161645780592018.-2207520000.1456601595./955143501242238/?type=3&theater

As I applaud the Zahau family in their efforts to bring justice for Rebecca, my thoughts turn to Kyron.

Why, oh why, did Desiree drop the civil suit?

I had hoped it was to refile... dunno.
It bothers me.

I just read an interview given by that Terri woman -
the odd thing that I was not aware of is that Kyron's
coat was found on his hanger at school -
a very strange case.

NAN,
I might be confused here but isn't the SO (who is in charge of this case) on the hot seat with illegal/improper activities? Is this the SO who has had to step down pending court trial? Of so, might be why things are so messed up....

I didn't know his coat was left hanging, either.

Freckles wrote:I had hoped it was to refile... dunno.
It bothers me.

I never had the impression that she ever intended to refile--but your comment cheers me up.  Maybe someday {soon} she will!

I wonder if there is a statute of limitation on this?  There was in Dylan Redwine's case.  His mom just missed it by a few days.

Jersey wrote:I just read an interview given by that Terri woman -
the odd thing that I was not aware of is that Kyron's
coat was found on his hanger at school -
a very strange case.

Yep, Kyron's coat and his backpack were both left at the school.  I think Terri left both items purposefully, as extra "proof" that Kyron was at the school that morning.  Two more pieces of evidence indicating she had "left" him at the school; and, therefore, the school should have noticed he was missing. Thus an attempt to "plant" evidence placing blame on the school.

Strangely enough, I believe it was Kaine who said in a media interview that law enforcement has released both Kyron's coat and his backpack, but have kept his science project.

I find that interesting.

Freckles wrote:NAN,
I might be confused here but isn't the SO (who is in charge of this case) on the hot seat with illegal/improper activities? Is this the SO who has had to step down pending court trial? Of so, might be why things are so messed up....

I didn't know his coat was left hanging, either.

LOL!!  I'm having a duh moment!

SO -- Does that stand for Sheriff's Office?  If I have that correct, I'll name him as Sheriff Staton.  If we are both thinking about the same person--I want to be very careful, here.  I don't think the word illegal applies, but improper, definitely.  There have been three or four "tort" cases filed against him, but he has already settled at least one.  Something else to note--Rod Underhill, the district attorney, has ordered an investigation into the sheriff's office.  And he is the district attorney on Kyron's case.

I absolutely agree with your thought that all this "trouble" could be contributing to "no action" in Kyron's case.

And just WHAT was his science project??

It's a sad fact that this Terri woman meandered and drove
around that day, wasting time while doing nothing -
It's not like this woman went visiting, grocery shopping, etc -
all the usual things women do.
Her actions themselves are more than suspicious,
and I'm surprised she has remained free for so long,
she was admittedly the LAST person to see little Kyron.
She did it.

Jersey wrote:And just WHAT was his science project??

Welcome to Reality Chatter, Jersey!



Here's picture of Kyron and his science project on the red-eyed tree frog.



Source for image:  http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_search_may_have_s.html

Nan11 wrote:

Freckles wrote:NAN,
I might be confused here but isn't the SO (who is in charge of this case) on the hot seat with illegal/improper activities? Is this the SO who has had to step down pending court trial? Of so, might be why things are so messed up....

I didn't know his coat was left hanging, either.

LOL!!  I'm having a duh moment!

SO -- Does that stand for Sheriff's Office?  If I have that correct, I'll name him as Sheriff Staton.  If we are both thinking about the same person--I want to be very careful, here.  I don't think the word illegal applies, but improper, definitely.  There have been three or four "tort" cases filed against him, but he has already settled at least one.  Something else to note--Rod Underhill, the district attorney, has ordered an investigation into the sheriff's office.  And he is the district attorney on Kyron's case.

I absolutely agree with your thought that all this "trouble" could be contributing to "no action" in Kyron's case.

SO is sheriff's office or officer..I could not recall his name or the situation or even if this was the same SO....
That is why I was speculating on the details... Just recall hearing the courts bringing charges against him....and he was forced into a leave of absence pending court review/trial or something like that. But I figgered, what ever the details, it impacted this case heavily and that was a possibility for the dropping of charges at this time. (I would imagine the charges will be reconfigured AFTER the investigation/court trial is over...)

Sorry for being so vague but I just don't recall the details. Feel free to weigh in!

Jersey wrote:It's a sad fact that this Terri woman meandered and drove
around that day, wasting time while doing nothing -
It's not like this woman went visiting, grocery shopping, etc -
all the usual things women do.
Her actions themselves are more than suspicious,
and I'm surprised she has remained free for so long,
she was admittedly the LAST person to see little Kyron.
She did it.

IIRC, Terri DID a fair share of gallivanting about that morning.
Went to store, went to gym, etc..
Problem is: Her GPS on cell phone did NOT match where she said she was when she was....

Jersey wrote:It's a sad fact that this Terri woman meandered and drove
around that day, wasting time while doing nothing -
It's not like this woman went visiting, grocery shopping, etc -
all the usual things women do.
Her actions themselves are more than suspicious,
and I'm surprised she has remained free for so long,
she was admittedly the LAST person to see little Kyron.
She did it.

I'm really pressed for time tonight, but this jumped out at me.

Regarding the bold by me:  nope--Moulton Horman's story is that she last saw Kyron at the doorway to his classroom.  She and her daughter, who was 18 months old at the time, then turned and exited the school via the side door overlooking the parking lot. Moulton Horman says Kyron was last seen with a "male" chaperone.

No one else seems to have seen this male chaperone, but that's her story and she is sticking to it.

She is probably in Argentina right now--or somewhere else where there is no extradition treaty.

Freckles wrote:SO is sheriff's office or officer..I could not recall his name or the situation or even if this was the same SO....
That is why I was speculating on the details... Just recall hearing the courts bringing charges against him....and he was forced into a leave of absence pending court review/trial or something like that.  But I figgered, what ever the details, it impacted this case heavily and that was a possibility for the dropping of charges at this time.  (I would imagine the charges will be reconfigured AFTER the investigation/court trial is over...)

Sorry for being so vague but I just don't recall the details. Feel free to weigh in!

We may be getting the various sheriffs offices confused.  It appears there is more than one under review.  

The following link gives a little summary of three individual cases.  I'll only quote the discussion regarding Sheriff Staton as he is the current sheriff relating to Kyron's case.

Begin Snip  The Justice Department recently opened an investigation into Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton for alleged misconduct involving office employees.  End Snip
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/03/oregon_justice_department_open.html

I'm not sure how many readers will appreciate the following; however, I remember when some of us followed the Amanda Blackburn case we enjoyed reading Peter Hyatt's blog.

Below is a link to a new entry on March 18, 2016, in which he discusses an angry blog post that some followers believe was written by TMH.

http://statement-analysis.blogspot.ca/2016/03/101-profiling-author-terri-horman.html

As a little warning, we should be aware that the blog post discussed by Mr. Hyatt is rife with errors.  Two that stuck with me are:

1)  Kyron is not Desiree's only child.

2)  On the day Kyron went missing, TMH needed the truck to bring Kyron's science project home.  It had been taken to the school the day before.

I'm sure there are many more mistakes.

Even ignoring all the errors, I don't feel TMH is the author, or at least not the single author.  If so, she was seriously sipping something from those pop cans Kaine told us about.  :)

In my opinion, it could be written by someone who knows TMH and believes her lies without question.

There are many angrily worded sentences.  Following is an example.  I am reminded of the many hate-filled emails purportedly written by TMH, which law enforcement showed to Desiree.

Quote:  It doesn’t matter that perhaps the step-kid is a spoiled, malicious, unbearable brat who is allowed, by their bio parents, to make our household, our lives, our marriage, our own children, and our family absolutely miserable. It doesn’t matter if one or both of the bio parents are negligent and lazy when it comes to taking responsibility for and disciplining their own child. It doesn’t matter if the step-kid is allowed to behave in all manners disgusting and atrocious by their bio parents…

If something goes wrong in the family, the step mother is always the most convenient and used scapegoat. If something is wrong in the family, it is always, the step mothers fault.  End

The abused, misunderstood, always giving, never taking stepmother approach also reminds me of how TMH likes to portray herself.

So really, I'm not sure what to make of it.

If you want to click on the link below, the very first comment is a comment actually written by TMH.  There is no sipping going on in this one--she is appearing as the refined, well-educated lady she likes to portray herself to be.

Warning, the comment is on Blinkie's blog!!

It is the very first comment:  http://blinkoncrime.com/2016/01/21/kyron-horman-missing-case-terri-horman-breaks-her-silence-in-people-magazine-interview/comment-page-30/#comment-2252519

As it's been so many years, and if memory serves me correctly, Terry Horman was reportedly NOT the LAST person to see Kyron. A classmate, a male child, had see Kyron AFTER Terry left the building. I want to say the family came forward and went to the media with their story.

Could Terry have done something to Kyron, sure. Could Kaine have set Terry up? Sure.
Could someone else in the community taken Kyron? Sure. There was much speculation and suspicions to go around to a lot of people.

What we do know as fact is: Kyron disappeared, and the school needed to cover their ass, and no arrests were ever made.

We did a lot of research of this case back when this was in the news. Unfortunately, it's gone cold like so many other cases.

Factually, this school needed to cover their asses.

Calypso wrote:As it's been so many years, and if memory serves me correctly, Terry Horman was reportedly NOT the LAST person to see Kyron.  A classmate, a male child, had see Kyron AFTER Terry left the building.  I want to say the family came forward and went to the media with their story.

Could Terry have done something to Kyron, sure.  Could Kaine have set Terry up? Sure.
Could someone else in the community taken Kyron? Sure.  There was much speculation and suspicions to go around to a lot of people.  

What we do know as fact is: Kyron disappeared, and the school needed to cover their ass, and no arrests were ever made.  

We did a lot of research of this case back when this was in the news.  Unfortunately, it's gone cold like so many other cases.

Factually, this school needed to cover their asses.  

Originally, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office (MCSO) said there was a boy that had seen Kyron, but they later redacted that after having checked it out.  The only one saying that since has been Terri's lawyer.

The other day on the news, they said that Sheriff Dan Staton will be retiring soon (after several reports of misappropriate actions), and that Portland Police Chief Mike Reese will be taking over as MCSO's Sheriff.  He is currently being referred to as the UnderSheriff of MCSO.  The hope is he will rekindle the investigation and hopefully move it forward.

Nan11 wrote:

Jersey wrote:It's a sad fact that this Terri woman meandered and drove
around that day, wasting time while doing nothing -
It's not like this woman went visiting, grocery shopping, etc -
all the usual things women do.
Her actions themselves are more than suspicious,
and I'm surprised she has remained free for so long,
she was admittedly the LAST person to see little Kyron.
She did it.

I'm really pressed for time tonight, but this jumped out at me.

Regarding the bold by me:  nope--Moulton Horman's story is that she last saw Kyron at the doorway to his classroom.  She and her daughter, who was 18 months old at the time, then turned and exited the school via the side door overlooking the parking lot. Moulton Horman says Kyron was last seen with a "male" chaperone.

No one else seems to have seen this male chaperone, but that's her story and she is sticking to it.

She is probably in Argentina right now--or somewhere else where there is no extradition treaty.

Just rethinking the events of the day.
Was it customary for Kyron to be walked to his class?
Why not just see him inside the school from her own vehicle?
Having to remove the baby from the car seat, load everything up, ie, purse, coats, keys, etc., just seems so improbable UNLESS she had a reason for being inside the school.And then, having to rebuckle the baby, etc..
Did TMH have a reason for being inside the school?
Was she looking for someone inside the school???

Freckles wrote:

Nan11 wrote:

Jersey wrote:It's a sad fact that this Terri woman meandered and drove
around that day, wasting time while doing nothing -
It's not like this woman went visiting, grocery shopping, etc -
all the usual things women do.
Her actions themselves are more than suspicious,
and I'm surprised she has remained free for so long,
she was admittedly the LAST person to see little Kyron.
She did it.

I'm really pressed for time tonight, but this jumped out at me.

Regarding the bold by me:  nope--Moulton Horman's story is that she last saw Kyron at the doorway to his classroom.  She and her daughter, who was 18 months old at the time, then turned and exited the school via the side door overlooking the parking lot. Moulton Horman says Kyron was last seen with a "male" chaperone.

No one else seems to have seen this male chaperone, but that's her story and she is sticking to it.

She is probably in Argentina right now--or somewhere else where there is no extradition treaty.

Just rethinking the events of the day.
Was it customary for Kyron to be walked to his class?
Why not just see him inside the school from her own vehicle?
Having to remove the baby from the car seat, load everything up, ie, purse, coats, keys, etc., just seems so improbable UNLESS she had a reason for being inside the school.And then, having to rebuckle the baby, etc..
Did TMH have a reason for being inside the school?
Was she looking for someone inside the school???

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your comment, but I think the reason she was in the school was because of the science fair.  I don't know that there's ever been confirmation that Terri had taken Kiara into the school with her.  She might have left Kiara in the car (it was very cool and rainy that day).

Regarding the comment about where Terri is now, last I heard, Terri had moved to California.  Since she tried to change her name twice here in Oregon, but was refused, my guess is that she would file in CA for another name change.  I sure hope she's on someone's radar.

Mother of Kyron Horman upset after items removed from 'Wall of Hope'
Kyle Iboshi, KGW 6:17 PM. PDT July 27, 2016


BEAVERTON, Ore. -- The mother of Kyron Horman is disappointed that most items have been removed from the “Wall of Hope” honoring her missing son.

“I am really upset by this and wonder what kind of a person could do something like that without consulting the family,” said Desiree Young.

...“We were not given the opportunity to save the items that have been placed on his Wall,” said the missing boy’s mother.

...The gym manager said he has been in communication with Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman. They both agreed it was time to clean up the Wall of Hope.

Read more:  http://www.kgw.com/news/local/kyron-hormans-wall-of-hope-taken-down-but-will-return/282718674

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I'm just heartbroken for Desiree for not being consulted about this.

Freckles wrote:Just rethinking the events of the day.
Was it customary for Kyron to be walked to his class?
Why not just see him inside the school from her own vehicle?
Having to remove the baby from the car seat, load everything up, ie, purse, coats, keys, etc., just seems so improbable UNLESS she had a reason for being inside the school.And then, having to rebuckle the baby, etc..
Did TMH have a reason for being inside the school?
Was she looking for someone inside the school???

I don't think it was the "usual" practice for TMH to take Kyron to school and walk him to his class.  Kyron mostly took the bus to and from school, with at least one of his parents accompanying him to and from the bus stop.

That particular Friday, as well as the Thursday before, TMH had made specific arrangements with Kaine to use his truck to take Kyron and his science project to school on Thursday; and to bring Kyron and his science project home on Friday.  (Kyron was also scheduled to be in the talent show Friday afternoon.)  Kaine used her vehicle, the red mustang, to travel to work, etc. on both Thursday and Friday.

He said there was nothing unusual about them switching vehicles occasionally.

TMH painted a picture of herself as a very "hands-on" step-mom, though.  She and Kiara were both well-known faces at the school. While not on the 3rd or 4th, I believe she volunteered there and often took Kiara with her.  There is more than one picture of her and Kiara at the school, and in Kyron's classroom.

Your very last question may always remain unanswered.  It has certainly been suggested that more than one person was involved in Kyron's disappearance--possibly even three.  So it wouldn't be out of the realm of possibility that TMH was looking for someone inside the school.  Perhaps someone she had arranged to meet.

CuriousPortlander wrote:

Nan11 wrote:Regarding the bold by me:  nope--Moulton Horman's story is that she last saw Kyron at the doorway to his classroom.  She and her daughter, who was 18 months old at the time, then turned and exited the school via the side door overlooking the parking lot. Moulton Horman says Kyron was last seen with a "male" chaperone.

No one else seems to have seen this male chaperone, but that's her story and she is sticking to it.

She is probably in Argentina right now--or somewhere else where there is no extradition treaty.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your comment, but I think the reason she was in the school was because of the science fair.  I don't know that there's ever been confirmation that Terri had taken Kiara into the school with her.

Regarding the bold by me:  Would the following not qualify for confirmation?  If not, could you explain why?

Reporter:  Kaine, I have to ask you—Kiara, on the morning that Kyron went missing, was she at home or was she at daycare, or where was she?

Kaine:  She was with Terri.

Reporter:  With Terri?  Was she with Terri at the school, or do you know?

Kaine:  Yes.
http://videos.oregonlive.com/oregonian/2010/07/kyron_hormans_parents_share_de.html

Also, I believe, in her interview with People Magazine, TMH also mentioned Kiara being specifically inside the school that morning.

CuriousPortlander wrote:She might have left Kiara in the car (it was very cool and rainy that day).  

 Where is this coming from?  Kiara was 18 months old at the time.  Could you provide a link, please?

CuriousPortlander wrote:Regarding the comment about where Terri is now, last I heard, Terri had moved to California.  Since she tried to change her name twice here in Oregon, but was refused, my guess is that she would file in CA for another name change.  I sure hope she's on someone's radar.

She is not on anyone's radar.

It was reported around January 9/16, that on Sept. 21/15, TMH had filed an address change with the DMV for Sacramento, California.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/01/terri_horman_stepmom_of_missin.html

Around January 20, 2016, out comes the People interview and the spin-offs, and then nothing.

She has never been spotted anywhere in Sacramento.

She gets her money and runs???  imo

CuriousPortlander wrote:
Mother of Kyron Horman upset after items removed from 'Wall of Hope'
Kyle Iboshi, KGW 6:17 PM. PDT July 27, 2016


BEAVERTON, Ore. -- The mother of Kyron Horman is disappointed that most items have been removed from the “Wall of Hope” honoring her missing son.

“I am really upset by this and wonder what kind of a person could do something like that without consulting the family,” said Desiree Young.

...“We were not given the opportunity to save the items that have been placed on his Wall,” said the missing boy’s mother.

...The gym manager said he has been in communication with Kyron’s father, Kaine Horman. They both agreed it was time to clean up the Wall of Hope.

Read more:  http://www.kgw.com/news/local/kyron-hormans-wall-of-hope-taken-down-but-will-return/282718674

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I'm just heartbroken for Desiree for not being consulted about this.

Kaine is such a nice guy, huh?  {sarcasm}