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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
https://twitter.com/#!/karinanews
Karina Rusk @karinanews
There is now a possible link between Antolin Garcia Torres and two Gilroy cases last year where suspect tried to lure children.
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hate these twitter teases...hoping for a news report at 6pm
Karina Rusk @karinanews
There is now a possible link between Antolin Garcia Torres and two Gilroy cases last year where suspect tried to lure children.
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hate these twitter teases...hoping for a news report at 6pm
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
Found it!
"First Name: GENARO PFN: BLG820 Last Name: GARCIA CEN: 11031064 Middle Name: FERNANDEZ Housing Facility: MAIN JAIL NORTH Sex: M Bail Amount: No Bail Allowed Release Date: Booking Date: 07/01/2011
Court Appearances SNO COURT CODE COURT DEPT DATE TIME 1 43635 90 06/01/2012 09:00
Pretty sure this is him. He has a court appearance on 6/1 and was arrested on 7/1/2011.
Search here and enter DOB of 07/22/1961
http://eservices.sccgov.org/ovr/find_inmate.do
Also here
http://www.scscourt.org/court_divisi...dex_search.asp
"
from Knox / BeginnersLuck @ WS (since our THM archive isn't available yet)
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7970807&postcount=417
"First Name: GENARO PFN: BLG820 Last Name: GARCIA CEN: 11031064 Middle Name: FERNANDEZ Housing Facility: MAIN JAIL NORTH Sex: M Bail Amount: No Bail Allowed Release Date: Booking Date: 07/01/2011
Court Appearances SNO COURT CODE COURT DEPT DATE TIME 1 43635 90 06/01/2012 09:00
Pretty sure this is him. He has a court appearance on 6/1 and was arrested on 7/1/2011.
Search here and enter DOB of 07/22/1961
http://eservices.sccgov.org/ovr/find_inmate.do
Also here
http://www.scscourt.org/court_divisi...dex_search.asp
"
from Knox / BeginnersLuck @ WS (since our THM archive isn't available yet)
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7970807&postcount=417
Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
kimi_SFC wrote:Found it!
"First Name: GENARO PFN: BLG820 Last Name: GARCIA CEN: 11031064 Middle Name: FERNANDEZ Housing Facility: MAIN JAIL NORTH Sex: M Bail Amount: No Bail Allowed Release Date: Booking Date: 07/01/2011
Court Appearances SNO COURT CODE COURT DEPT DATE TIME 1 43635 90 06/01/2012 09:00
Pretty sure this is him. He has a court appearance on 6/1 and was arrested on 7/1/2011.
Search here and enter DOB of 07/22/1961
http://eservices.sccgov.org/ovr/find_inmate.do
Also here
http://www.scscourt.org/court_divisi...dex_search.asp
"
from Knox / BeginnersLuck @ WS (since our THM archive isn't available yet)
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7970807&postcount=417
awesome, thank you and WS so much! been in jail since July 2011, so that means AGT is most likely the perp in the Gilroy child annoyances. busy little perv isn't he? with all these failed abductions, how did he succeed so easily with Sierra?
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=8692857
Attorney removed from Sierra LaMar case
The conflict may very well be Antolin Garcia-Torres' father. In addition to the father's criminal history which includes DUIs, domestic violence, and vehicular manslaughter, he currently faces some disturbing allegations of repeated sexual assault on a child.
The now adult woman came forward last year and outlined for detectives 10 years of abuse between 1990 and 2000 beginning when she was just 5 years old.
___________________________________________________
-more details at link, UGH! this man is a monster who bred a monster-
Attorney removed from Sierra LaMar case
The conflict may very well be Antolin Garcia-Torres' father. In addition to the father's criminal history which includes DUIs, domestic violence, and vehicular manslaughter, he currently faces some disturbing allegations of repeated sexual assault on a child.
The now adult woman came forward last year and outlined for detectives 10 years of abuse between 1990 and 2000 beginning when she was just 5 years old.
___________________________________________________
-more details at link, UGH! this man is a monster who bred a monster-
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
Honeysage wrote:http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=8692857
Attorney removed from Sierra LaMar case
The conflict may very well be Antolin Garcia-Torres' father. In addition to the father's criminal history which includes DUIs, domestic violence, and vehicular manslaughter, he currently faces some disturbing allegations of repeated sexual assault on a child.
The now adult woman came forward last year and outlined for detectives 10 years of abuse between 1990 and 2000 beginning when she was just 5 years old.
___________________________________________________
-more details at link, UGH! this man is a monster who bred a monster-
Can you imagine either one of these DNA donors as a father?
FFS!
Why did it take losing Sierra to break the cycle?
I am beyond DISGUSTED!
Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
Send a PM to Snaz of the above info: July 10 plea date for Antolin Gracia Torres has been moved to July 31 after change in attorney for Sierra LaMar murder suspect.[/Honeysage wrote:Freckles wrote:Honey-Honeysage wrote:https://twitter.com/#!/karinanews
Karina Rusk @karinanews
Murder suspect in Sierra LaMar has new attorney from Alternative Defender's Office after his appointed public defender declared conflict.
Karina Rusk @karinanews
July 10 plea date for Antolin Gracia Torres has been moved to July 31 after change in attorney for Sierra LaMar murder suspect.
Send this info to Snaz so it can be put up on the calendar.
how do i do that?
She will put that on the calendar you see at the top of this page.
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
done-thank you!Freckles wrote:Send a PM to Snaz of the above info: July 10 plea date for Antolin Gracia Torres has been moved to July 31 after change in attorney for Sierra LaMar murder suspect.[/Honeysage wrote:Freckles wrote:Honey-Honeysage wrote:https://twitter.com/#!/karinanews
Karina Rusk @karinanews
Murder suspect in Sierra LaMar has new attorney from Alternative Defender's Office after his appointed public defender declared conflict.
Karina Rusk @karinanews
July 10 plea date for Antolin Gracia Torres has been moved to July 31 after change in attorney for Sierra LaMar murder suspect.
Send this info to Snaz so it can be put up on the calendar.
how do i do that?
She will put that on the calendar you see at the top of this page.
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
Sierra LaMar Suspect Lawyer Steps Down
Following a court hearing Thursday morning, Ken Mandel will no longer be representing Antolin Garcia-Torres, who has not yet entered a plea in answering to charges that he took Sierra on March 16. She was on her way to Sobrato High, but never made it there. Prosecutors say that she was killed at some point, though her body has still not been found.
Garcia-Torres' case has now been referred to the alternate public defender's office, which is similar to a public defender and is a routine alternative when the public defender can no longer represent someone.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sierra-LaMar-Suspect-157859145.html
Following a court hearing Thursday morning, Ken Mandel will no longer be representing Antolin Garcia-Torres, who has not yet entered a plea in answering to charges that he took Sierra on March 16. She was on her way to Sobrato High, but never made it there. Prosecutors say that she was killed at some point, though her body has still not been found.
Garcia-Torres' case has now been referred to the alternate public defender's office, which is similar to a public defender and is a routine alternative when the public defender can no longer represent someone.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sierra-LaMar-Suspect-157859145.html
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
Mandel was not in court Thursday morning when Judge Jerome Nadler signed off on the change of attorneys. A court document Mandel filed did not specify the nature of the conflict.
http://www.mercurynews.com/sierra-lamar/ci_20804601/suspect-sierra-lamar-case-get-new-attorney
http://www.mercurynews.com/sierra-lamar/ci_20804601/suspect-sierra-lamar-case-get-new-attorney
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
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-Public Defender Ken Mandel asked to be taken off the Sierra LaMar murder case because of a conflict of interest. The court did not make public what the conflict might be.
-The change in defense attorneys comes as the KlaasKids Foundation expanded the terms to qualify for a $25,000 reward being offered in the case.
Initially the reward was offered for information leading to the safe return of LaMar.
Now those terms are being expanded to information leading to the successful prosecution of the person responsible for LaMar’s disappearance.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/06/07/sierra-lamar-murder-suspects-attorney-removed-from-case/
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-Public Defender Ken Mandel asked to be taken off the Sierra LaMar murder case because of a conflict of interest. The court did not make public what the conflict might be.
-The change in defense attorneys comes as the KlaasKids Foundation expanded the terms to qualify for a $25,000 reward being offered in the case.
Initially the reward was offered for information leading to the safe return of LaMar.
Now those terms are being expanded to information leading to the successful prosecution of the person responsible for LaMar’s disappearance.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/06/07/sierra-lamar-murder-suspects-attorney-removed-from-case/
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Re: Sierra LaMar Missing 03/16/12
Honeysage wrote:http://newark.patch.com/articles/gilroy-child-annoyance-cases-raising-possible-link-to-lamar-murder#photo-10207258
Gilroy Child 'Annoyance' Cases Raising Possible Link to LaMar Murder
A suspect who police say attempted to lure four children into his vehicle on July 26 and August 3 has been identified. But Gilroy police won't say whether the suspect is Antolin Garcia-Torres, accused in the Sierra LaMar murder-kidnapping.
That's the other sketch that I thought was being used to link to the woman in one of the Safeway incidents!
So now it's trotted out again to link to some other cases!
Here's where I call foul on the sketch. There are obvious glare highlights drawn in on the sketch.
Why?
It's like the sketch was drawn from a photograph and not from a
witness statement. They would not have told him where to place glare on his face!
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UPDATE: LaMar Murder Suspect to Get New Attorney
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-I’ll have to find someone [to represent Garcia-Torres],” Epps said. “But I just don't have enough information to make this call because the court just appointed our office to represent Garcia-Torres this morning.”
-Epps did not know what the conflict of interest was regarding, and said Mandel does not need to disclose that information.
-Nadler pushed back Garcia Torres' next court appearance from July 10 to July 31 after approving the Office of the Public Defender’s request Thursday morning.
http://milpitas.patch.com/articles/update-lamar-murder-suspect-to-get-new-attorney
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-I’ll have to find someone [to represent Garcia-Torres],” Epps said. “But I just don't have enough information to make this call because the court just appointed our office to represent Garcia-Torres this morning.”
-Epps did not know what the conflict of interest was regarding, and said Mandel does not need to disclose that information.
-Nadler pushed back Garcia Torres' next court appearance from July 10 to July 31 after approving the Office of the Public Defender’s request Thursday morning.
http://milpitas.patch.com/articles/update-lamar-murder-suspect-to-get-new-attorney
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
New criteria for reward
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-The reward is now on the table for anyone who provides information leading to Sierra’s safe return, or to the prosecution of the person or people responsible for her disappearance, according to a press release from the KlaasKids Foundation.
-Jose Guzman, assistant public defender, declined to specify the conflict. News reports published Thursday said the office is also representing Garcia Torres’ father, who is in custody on allegations of sexual abuse.
“The client has a right to a conflict-free counsel,” Guzman said.
http://www.gilroydispatch.com/articles_from_morgan_hill/new-criteria-for-reward/article_e5f7e7b6-36e1-5830-af04-1f0bfe0c84e1.html
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-The reward is now on the table for anyone who provides information leading to Sierra’s safe return, or to the prosecution of the person or people responsible for her disappearance, according to a press release from the KlaasKids Foundation.
-Jose Guzman, assistant public defender, declined to specify the conflict. News reports published Thursday said the office is also representing Garcia Torres’ father, who is in custody on allegations of sexual abuse.
“The client has a right to a conflict-free counsel,” Guzman said.
http://www.gilroydispatch.com/articles_from_morgan_hill/new-criteria-for-reward/article_e5f7e7b6-36e1-5830-af04-1f0bfe0c84e1.html
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Re: Sierra LaMar Missing 03/16/12
kimi_SFC wrote:Honeysage wrote:http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=8692857
Attorney removed from Sierra LaMar case
The conflict may very well be Antolin Garcia-Torres' father. In addition to the father's criminal history which includes DUIs, domestic violence, and vehicular manslaughter, he currently faces some disturbing allegations of repeated sexual assault on a child.
The now adult woman came forward last year and outlined for detectives 10 years of abuse between 1990 and 2000 beginning when she was just 5 years old.
___________________________________________________
-more details at link, UGH! this man is a monster who bred a monster-
Can you imagine either one of these DNA donors as a father?
FFS!
Why did it take losing Sierra to break the cycle?
I am beyond DISGUSTED!
What about Sierra's Dad?
Does he get a pass?
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
Typo Positive wrote:Honeysage wrote:http://newark.patch.com/articles/gilroy-child-annoyance-cases-raising-possible-link-to-lamar-murder#photo-10207258
Gilroy Child 'Annoyance' Cases Raising Possible Link to LaMar Murder
A suspect who police say attempted to lure four children into his vehicle on July 26 and August 3 has been identified. But Gilroy police won't say whether the suspect is Antolin Garcia-Torres, accused in the Sierra LaMar murder-kidnapping.
That's the other sketch that I thought was being used to link to the woman in one of the Safeway incidents!
So now it's trotted out again to link to some other cases!
Here's where I call foul on the sketch. There are obvious glare highlights drawn in on the sketch.
Why?
It's like the sketch was drawn from a photograph and not from a
witness statement. They would not have told him where to place glare on his face!
I am not even going to comment on this new "development".
But I think you are right about this sketch.
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
Typo Positive wrote:kimi_SFC wrote:Honeysage wrote:http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=8692857
Attorney removed from Sierra LaMar case
The conflict may very well be Antolin Garcia-Torres' father. In addition to the father's criminal history which includes DUIs, domestic violence, and vehicular manslaughter, he currently faces some disturbing allegations of repeated sexual assault on a child.
The now adult woman came forward last year and outlined for detectives 10 years of abuse between 1990 and 2000 beginning when she was just 5 years old.
___________________________________________________
-more details at link, UGH! this man is a monster who bred a monster-
Can you imagine either one of these DNA donors as a father?
FFS!
Why did it take losing Sierra to break the cycle?
I am beyond DISGUSTED!
What about Sierra's Dad?
Does he get a pass?
No, I'm not saying that. My comment is in reaction to the totality of the charges against GG (AGT's father) and the ramifications of the lineage befallen on the son, playing out in his choices (violence towards young girls/women).
I don't see that same pattern of destructive VIOLENCE in her actions in anything Sierra ever did. Perhaps her SM feeds were a cry for help or an acting out of a different sort, but I still see her as a victim. I have no doubt Sierra was damaged by her father's RSO status. And she's a child.
So, no Steve LaMar doesn't get a pass by any means. But the Garcia-Torres clan have taken this to a whole other level.
MOO...
Re: Sierra LaMar Missing 03/16/12
Tamta wrote:Typo Positive wrote:Honeysage wrote:http://newark.patch.com/articles/gilroy-child-annoyance-cases-raising-possible-link-to-lamar-murder#photo-10207258
Gilroy Child 'Annoyance' Cases Raising Possible Link to LaMar Murder
A suspect who police say attempted to lure four children into his vehicle on July 26 and August 3 has been identified. But Gilroy police won't say whether the suspect is Antolin Garcia-Torres, accused in the Sierra LaMar murder-kidnapping.
That's the other sketch that I thought was being used to link to the woman in one of the Safeway incidents!
So now it's trotted out again to link to some other cases!
Here's where I call foul on the sketch. There are obvious glare highlights drawn in on the sketch.
Why?
It's like the sketch was drawn from a photograph and not from a
witness statement. They would not have told him where to place glare on his face!
I am not even going to comment on this new "development".
But I think you are right about this sketch.
We were discussing this sketch when it first surfaced in the Safeway case on another forum and how the other sketch was clean shaven and how that might prove to be a bit problematic.
And about how the sketch looked like it was drawn from looking directly at Antolin's current mugshot pic.
I wondered why it wasn't being circulated anymore and fell down the memory hole. To keep it from looking EXACTLY like his mugshot, they have him with a different style beard area.
Now, his defense atty has suddenly remembered he has a conflict of interest?
How convenient.
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
http://gilroy.patch.com/articles/attempted-child-kidnapping-wednesday-second-in-under-two-weeks-in-gilroy#photo-7267693
this was the original article with the sketch dated August 4, 2011 that was sleuthed by a WS member...are you trying to say this article and photo was completely doctored and predated to help convict AGT? i'm confused with the whole sketch conspiracy.
this was the original article with the sketch dated August 4, 2011 that was sleuthed by a WS member...are you trying to say this article and photo was completely doctored and predated to help convict AGT? i'm confused with the whole sketch conspiracy.
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Police Investigate Old Gilroy Child Annoyance Cases
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Gilroy Police wouldn't confirm if they think Garcia Torres is linked to the luring attempts but admit it's something they are investigating. Now parents like Rex don't know if they should be relieved the possible suspect is already behind bars or worried the man is still out there. "
http://www.kionrightnow.com/story/18733583/police-investigate-old-gilroy-child-annoyance-cases
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Gilroy Police wouldn't confirm if they think Garcia Torres is linked to the luring attempts but admit it's something they are investigating. Now parents like Rex don't know if they should be relieved the possible suspect is already behind bars or worried the man is still out there. "
http://www.kionrightnow.com/story/18733583/police-investigate-old-gilroy-child-annoyance-cases
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
Honey,Honeysage wrote:http://gilroy.patch.com/articles/attempted-child-kidnapping-wednesday-second-in-under-two-weeks-in-gilroy#photo-7267693
this was the original article with the sketch dated August 4, 2011 that was sleuthed by a WS member...are you trying to say this article and photo was completely doctored and predated to help convict AGT? i'm confused with the whole sketch conspiracy.
Can you blow that up to see the date it was sketched on the bottom R/side?
Also, the notations down the left side?
I lack computer skills.
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
Honeysage wrote:http://gilroy.patch.com/articles/attempted-child-kidnapping-wednesday-second-in-under-two-weeks-in-gilroy#photo-7267693
this was the original article with the sketch dated August 4, 2011 that was sleuthed by a WS member...are you trying to say this article and photo was completely doctored and predated to help convict AGT? i'm confused with the whole sketch conspiracy.
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The two attempted kidnapping incidents in this article do not sound related to one another, at least from a behavioral standpoint.
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
Freckles wrote:Honey,Honeysage wrote:http://gilroy.patch.com/articles/attempted-child-kidnapping-wednesday-second-in-under-two-weeks-in-gilroy#photo-7267693
this was the original article with the sketch dated August 4, 2011 that was sleuthed by a WS member...are you trying to say this article and photo was completely doctored and predated to help convict AGT? i'm confused with the whole sketch conspiracy.
Can you blow that up to see the date it was sketched on the bottom R/side?
Also, the notations down the left side?
I lack computer skills.
i tried-it's really blurry, though date on end looks more like 11 than 12...notes on side may be from artist in regards to descriptions/features?
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Re: Sierra LaMar Missing 03/16/12
Honeysage wrote:http://gilroy.patch.com/articles/attempted-child-kidnapping-wednesday-second-in-under-two-weeks-in-gilroy#photo-7267693
this was the original article with the sketch dated August 4, 2011 that was sleuthed by a WS member...are you trying to say this article and photo was completely doctored and predated to help convict AGT? i'm confused with the whole sketch conspiracy.
I'm saying I saw this sketch already released with a story that had the woman at the Safeway describing a man in his 30s driving a white Honda with a black roof or hood.
I'll see if I can find the link.
Am I supposed to believe that two different witnesses in two different cases have caused an identical sketch to be generated?
We need a local to go to the Gilroy Patch archives and look for the original articles cause something seems awfully fishy.
I asked about this sketch last week.
Do you remember?
That was before I heard about these child cases.
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
Tamta wrote:Honeysage wrote:http://gilroy.patch.com/articles/attempted-child-kidnapping-wednesday-second-in-under-two-weeks-in-gilroy#photo-7267693
this was the original article with the sketch dated August 4, 2011 that was sleuthed by a WS member...are you trying to say this article and photo was completely doctored and predated to help convict AGT? i'm confused with the whole sketch conspiracy.
OT
The two attempted kidnapping incidents in this article do not sound related to one another, at least from a behavioral standpoint.
it seems that sketch was from 2nd incident with just the girl-i'm guessing since it came right after her story in the paragraph...i blew it off when i first saw it because car description was not same, seems he's had same red Jetta for a while. who knows-but i'm glad they are investigating it, if not him maybe it will send in a tip of whoever it really is.
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http://gilroy.patch.com/articles/sierra-lamar-murder-suspect-linked-to-one-assault-case-in-morgan-hill
this is the only sketch i'm aware of regarding Safeway attacks
this is the only sketch i'm aware of regarding Safeway attacks
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
Honeysage wrote:Tamta wrote:Honeysage wrote:http://gilroy.patch.com/articles/attempted-child-kidnapping-wednesday-second-in-under-two-weeks-in-gilroy#photo-7267693
this was the original article with the sketch dated August 4, 2011 that was sleuthed by a WS member...are you trying to say this article and photo was completely doctored and predated to help convict AGT? i'm confused with the whole sketch conspiracy.
OT
The two attempted kidnapping incidents in this article do not sound related to one another, at least from a behavioral standpoint.
it seems that sketch was from 2nd incident with just the girl-i'm guessing since it came right after her story in the paragraph...i blew it off when i first saw it because car description was not same, seems he's had same red Jetta for a while. who knows-but i'm glad they are investigating it, if not him maybe it will send in a tip of whoever it really is.
If it brings new info to light and re-opens some cases that is wonderful.
I just do not want to see his name next to every potential assault in SC County because the DA's case may be a little too circumstantial.
Meanwhile CA (at least LA county) can start putting some fences around their *$%&* playgrounds to keep wackos out of areas specifically meant for children!
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Re: Sierra LaMar Missing 03/16/12
Honeysage wrote:Tamta wrote:Honeysage wrote:http://gilroy.patch.com/articles/attempted-child-kidnapping-wednesday-second-in-under-two-weeks-in-gilroy#photo-7267693
this was the original article with the sketch dated August 4, 2011 that was sleuthed by a WS member...are you trying to say this article and photo was completely doctored and predated to help convict AGT? i'm confused with the whole sketch conspiracy.
OT
The two attempted kidnapping incidents in this article do not sound related to one another, at least from a behavioral standpoint.
it seems that sketch was from 2nd incident with just the girl-i'm guessing since it came right after her story in the paragraph...i blew it off when i first saw it because car description was not same, seems he's had same red Jetta for a while. who knows-but i'm glad they are investigating it, if not him maybe it will send in a tip of whoever it really is.
Wow. That kid has a PHOTOgraphic memory then. So she's the
one who described him with glare on his face in spots like from flash or light kits.
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Re: Sierra Lamar -- Missing 3/16/12 #2
Typo Positive wrote:Honeysage wrote:Tamta wrote:Honeysage wrote:http://gilroy.patch.com/articles/attempted-child-kidnapping-wednesday-second-in-under-two-weeks-in-gilroy#photo-7267693
this was the original article with the sketch dated August 4, 2011 that was sleuthed by a WS member...are you trying to say this article and photo was completely doctored and predated to help convict AGT? i'm confused with the whole sketch conspiracy.
OT
The two attempted kidnapping incidents in this article do not sound related to one another, at least from a behavioral standpoint.
it seems that sketch was from 2nd incident with just the girl-i'm guessing since it came right after her story in the paragraph...i blew it off when i first saw it because car description was not same, seems he's had same red Jetta for a while. who knows-but i'm glad they are investigating it, if not him maybe it will send in a tip of whoever it really is.
Wow. That kid has a PHOTOgraphic memory then. So she's the
one who described him with glare on his face in spots like from flash or light kits.
i've been looking at examples of sketches-the glare itself doesn't bother me (depends on artist) but it is definitely too bright, it's like someone photographed it under glass...where are our photography experts??? crap-another photo mystery, just what this case needs between this and the Sharks photo i will lose my mind before trial ever gets here. it shouldn't be blurry if it's a sketch either...maybe it got faxed over and got distorted.
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This sketch looks so much like the ones of him in the hoodie on the myspace page he had back when. I was stunned at how much they looked alike.Honeysage wrote:http://gilroy.patch.com/articles/sierra-lamar-murder-suspect-linked-to-one-assault-case-in-morgan-hill
this is the only sketch i'm aware of regarding Safeway attacks
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Was this shared? Came fromt he above link:
http://gilroy.patch.com/articles/police-identify-suspect-in-july-and-aug-attempted-kidnappings
The "glare" may have been an attempt to highlight certain areas of the face.
Edited: This vehicle was reported by the witness to have a black "roof". No color was given for the car. Also stated it was an older--- maybe 1990--- Honda.
http://gilroy.patch.com/articles/police-identify-suspect-in-july-and-aug-attempted-kidnappings
The "glare" may have been an attempt to highlight certain areas of the face.
Edited: This vehicle was reported by the witness to have a black "roof". No color was given for the car. Also stated it was an older--- maybe 1990--- Honda.
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Went looking on old thread.
The current vehicle is a Red Jetta with a black hood.
Older car.
Wonder if the child reported correctly the make of the car?
The current vehicle is a Red Jetta with a black hood.
Older car.
Wonder if the child reported correctly the make of the car?
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Unless his real target was the 15 yr old that was in the group...Tamta wrote:Honeysage wrote:But in the Gilroy attempts on the children they described him as 20-25, and then another incident described him as 30...and noone said anything about grey hair. i'm sure the kids (ranging from 9-15) would have been asked "does he look more like your dad or grandpa?" in regards to figuring out age. they do look similar-need to see dad with his mouth open and look for the teeth thing, slight gap or crossing over of front teeth is very identifiable in photos.
ETA: also, how long has daddy been in jail? these incidents took place last Summer...says July-August but no year so i guess it means last year.
I am not sure about how long his dad has been in jail but I definitely think that Antolin would not go after kids, even if he's guilty of Sierras disappearance.
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Honeysage wrote:http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/south_bay&id=8692857
Attorney removed from Sierra LaMar case
The conflict may very well be Antolin Garcia-Torres' father. In addition to the father's criminal history which includes DUIs, domestic violence, and vehicular manslaughter, he currently faces some disturbing allegations of repeated sexual assault on a child.
The now adult woman came forward last year and outlined for detectives 10 years of abuse between 1990 and 2000 beginning when she was just 5 years old.
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-more details at link, UGH! this man is a monster who bred a monster-
Yes Honeysage - we determined this yesterday and that is the exact reason:
"A source said that Mandel's conflict of interest arose because his office is representing Garcia-Torres' father, who is in Santa Clara County Jail on allegations he sexually abused a relative."
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Sierra-LaMar-Suspect-157859145.html
Here's my original post on it
http://www.realitychatter.com/t3881p350-sierra-lamar-missing-3-16-12-2#150663
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Typo Positive wrote:Honeysage wrote:http://gilroy.patch.com/articles/attempted-child-kidnapping-wednesday-second-in-under-two-weeks-in-gilroy#photo-7267693
this was the original article with the sketch dated August 4, 2011 that was sleuthed by a WS member...are you trying to say this article and photo was completely doctored and predated to help convict AGT? i'm confused with the whole sketch conspiracy.
I'm saying I saw this sketch already released with a story that had the woman at the Safeway describing a man in his 30s driving a white Honda with a black roof or hood.
I'll see if I can find the link.
Am I supposed to believe that two different witnesses in two different cases have caused an identical sketch to be generated?
We need a local to go to the Gilroy Patch archives and look for the original articles cause something seems awfully fishy.
I asked about this sketch last week.
Do you remember?
That was before I heard about these child cases.
I might be coming in late to this, so I apologize, but I'm confused. There are two distinctly different sketches that have been released. The first sketch to be released was the one with the hoodie that had been published in a 2009 article from Fugitive Watch website after the Safeway incidents, so it could not be considered staged since it was released right after that happened and it was rendered by the woman who had been able to get to her car and lock the doors (the only victim that did not involve a weapon).
The second sketch is the more recent one related to Gilroy and it's the one where the perp has a goatee and a close cut shaved head.
Is there some confusion that there is only one sketch out there? There's one for Safeway for 2009 and then there's a different one for Gilroy for 2011.
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AGT's teacher from Central were joking about the black hood on their cars. Assuming AGT went to school around 15-18 years of age, then that means he's had that Jetta for a while.
I believe in the interview with the mom, it showed her car. I don't think it was a white car and I don't think it was a Honda.
Does FS have a car? Make/model?
I believe in the interview with the mom, it showed her car. I don't think it was a white car and I don't think it was a Honda.
Does FS have a car? Make/model?
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I am searching the Gilroy Archives and originally it was two suspects, two incidents unrelated? ETA - a clearer picture of the sketch dated 8-3-2011.
Two suspects sought in separate alleged kidnapping attempts
Snip- Police are also searching for a second suspect from what is believed to be an unrelated incident July 26, when a man driving a "dirty" black and white Honda vehicle in the 7600 block of Miller Avenue told a 10-year-old girl to get into his car.
In both incidents, the children refused the suspects' advances and were not harmed, police said. The reported locations are a half-mile from each another and are each roughly a five-minute walk to El Roble Elementary School.
The Gilroy Police Department believes there are two suspects in the two incidents, and they have not made any arrests in either attempted child abduction. They have released a sketch of the Miller Avenue suspect, who is described as a Hispanic male approximately 30 years old with a goatee and short, balding hair or a possible crew cut.
Police do not have a sketch of the suspect from Wednesday's incident, who is believed to be a Hispanic male, 20 to 25 years old, 5-feet-8 to 5-feet-9 inches tall and approximately 160 pounds. He is described as having shaved dark brown hair, a mustache and brown eyes.
http://www.gilroydispatch.com/news/crime_fire_courts/two-suspects-sought-in-separate-alleged-kidnapping-attempts/article_d22ecc1d-b238-50fc-8ccb-758bef4ae37e.html
Two suspects sought in separate alleged kidnapping attempts
Snip- Police are also searching for a second suspect from what is believed to be an unrelated incident July 26, when a man driving a "dirty" black and white Honda vehicle in the 7600 block of Miller Avenue told a 10-year-old girl to get into his car.
In both incidents, the children refused the suspects' advances and were not harmed, police said. The reported locations are a half-mile from each another and are each roughly a five-minute walk to El Roble Elementary School.
The Gilroy Police Department believes there are two suspects in the two incidents, and they have not made any arrests in either attempted child abduction. They have released a sketch of the Miller Avenue suspect, who is described as a Hispanic male approximately 30 years old with a goatee and short, balding hair or a possible crew cut.
Police do not have a sketch of the suspect from Wednesday's incident, who is believed to be a Hispanic male, 20 to 25 years old, 5-feet-8 to 5-feet-9 inches tall and approximately 160 pounds. He is described as having shaved dark brown hair, a mustache and brown eyes.
http://www.gilroydispatch.com/news/crime_fire_courts/two-suspects-sought-in-separate-alleged-kidnapping-attempts/article_d22ecc1d-b238-50fc-8ccb-758bef4ae37e.html
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senseigurl wrote:AGT's teacher from Central were joking about the black hood on their cars. Assuming AGT went to school around 15-18 years of age, then that means he's had that Jetta for a while.
I believe in the interview with the mom, it showed her car. I don't think it was a white car and I don't think it was a Honda.
Does FS have a car? Make/model?
Apparently AGT has another car (or has had another car) in the past in addition to the red jetta. It is a blue sedan (Buick?) and it is pictured in his MySpace account several photos. Also, he posted on his MySpace (2008?) that he "rollded" his Jeep. So he's had a few other cars since his Jetta.
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https://www.facebook.com/pages/Marc-Klaas/183358825065798
At midnight I will be the premiere guest on Crime Time with Candace DeLong on KGO 810 radio. Sierra laMar is definitely on the agenda.
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At midnight I will be the premiere guest on Crime Time with Candace DeLong on KGO 810 radio. Sierra laMar is definitely on the agenda.
Crime Time with Candice DeLong
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Police: Sierra Lamar suspect shot woman in head with Taser
"Morgan Hill police now believe the man accused of murdering Sierra Lamar also shot a woman with a Taser in 2009 before she escaped."
Video @ link: http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/hollister-gilroy/Police-Sierra-Lamar-suspect-shot-woman-in-head-with-Taser/-/5738758/14740686/-/vml47i/-/index.html#ixzz1xEBck4VO
"Morgan Hill police now believe the man accused of murdering Sierra Lamar also shot a woman with a Taser in 2009 before she escaped."
Video @ link: http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/hollister-gilroy/Police-Sierra-Lamar-suspect-shot-woman-in-head-with-Taser/-/5738758/14740686/-/vml47i/-/index.html#ixzz1xEBck4VO
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Lash wrote:Police: Sierra Lamar suspect shot woman in head with Taser
"Morgan Hill police now believe the man accused of murdering Sierra Lamar also shot a woman with a Taser in 2009 before she escaped."
Video @ link: http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/hollister-gilroy/Police-Sierra-Lamar-suspect-shot-woman-in-head-with-Taser/-/5738758/14740686/-/vml47i/-/index.html#ixzz1xEBck4VO
" He is responsible."
How about some due process and "He is guilty".
I'm not impressed with strategy.
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Tamta wrote:Lash wrote:Police: Sierra Lamar suspect shot woman in head with Taser
"Morgan Hill police now believe the man accused of murdering Sierra Lamar also shot a woman with a Taser in 2009 before she escaped."
Video @ link: http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/hollister-gilroy/Police-Sierra-Lamar-suspect-shot-woman-in-head-with-Taser/-/5738758/14740686/-/vml47i/-/index.html#ixzz1xEBck4VO
" He is responsible."
How about some due process and "He is guilty".
I'm not impressed with strategy.
My observation is that police usually refrain from stating any connections until the linking facts are rubbed up into their faces (or at least it was the case with my personal experience where our entire neighborhood knew our string of robberies on the same night were related but cops refused to say they were related - until finally the credit card reports were all compared and they shopped at the same store on all the cards). So for them to jump all the way to - He did it -- I wonder what it is they have and not reporting? Or are they just totally reckless?
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Honeysage wrote:https://www.facebook.com/pages/Marc-Klaas/183358825065798
At midnight I will be the premiere guest on Crime Time with Candace DeLong on KGO 810 radio. Sierra laMar is definitely on the agenda.
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Thank you Honeysage!
I will definitely do my best to listen in & relay info to the thread. You rock!
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Public Wonders if Gilroy Sketch is Linked to Sierra LaMar
By Lisa Fernandez | Friday, Jun 8, 2012 | Updated 2:23 PM PDT
Gilroy police have re-released a sketch of a man with a goatee who they believe "annoyed" three girls and one boy last summer, which is raising questions if the suspect is the man now charged with kidnapping and murdering 15-year-old Sierra LaMar.
According to Gilroy police Sgt. Chad Gallacinao, one of the child victims has potentially identified a suspect. But Gallacinao wouldn't say whether that suspect was Antolin Garcia-Torres, the 21-year-old Morgan Hill man charged with killing Sierra.
Snip- http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Public-Wonders-if-Gilroy-Sketch-is-Linked-to-Sierra-LaMar-158201885.html
By Lisa Fernandez | Friday, Jun 8, 2012 | Updated 2:23 PM PDT
Gilroy police have re-released a sketch of a man with a goatee who they believe "annoyed" three girls and one boy last summer, which is raising questions if the suspect is the man now charged with kidnapping and murdering 15-year-old Sierra LaMar.
According to Gilroy police Sgt. Chad Gallacinao, one of the child victims has potentially identified a suspect. But Gallacinao wouldn't say whether that suspect was Antolin Garcia-Torres, the 21-year-old Morgan Hill man charged with killing Sierra.
Snip- http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Public-Wonders-if-Gilroy-Sketch-is-Linked-to-Sierra-LaMar-158201885.html
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Child annoyance suspect unrelated to Sierra case, police say
Posted: Friday, June 8, 2012 1:28 pm
An incident involving a Hispanic male who allegedly attempted to lure a 10-year-old girl into his car July 26, 2011 has drawn recent attention from the community, as some have cited that the sketch released of the suspect looks similar to Antolin Garcia Torres, the murder suspect tied to Sierra LaMar’s disappearance.
The suspect approached a girl outside her home on the 7600 block of Miller Avenue in west Gilroy and ordered her to enter his white Honda. The girl did not comply, but ran into her house and told her family members.
The suspect was described as a Hispanic male adult with a goatee with short balding hair or a crew cut.
Some media outlets have connected the sketch of this suspect to Garcia Torres’ booking photo, but Gilroy Police have not identified the suspect yet or announced any possible link to Sierra LaMar.
“Those are other people drawing those conclusions,” Gallacinao said.
The GPD completed their investigation into this incident, and has submitted it to the District Attorney for review.
Snip- http://www.morganhilltimes.com/articles_from_gilroy/child-annoyance-suspect-unrelated-to-sierra-case-police-say/article_1ed91cfb-9df8-5ef2-a810-e46fca51c56d.html
Posted: Friday, June 8, 2012 1:28 pm
An incident involving a Hispanic male who allegedly attempted to lure a 10-year-old girl into his car July 26, 2011 has drawn recent attention from the community, as some have cited that the sketch released of the suspect looks similar to Antolin Garcia Torres, the murder suspect tied to Sierra LaMar’s disappearance.
The suspect approached a girl outside her home on the 7600 block of Miller Avenue in west Gilroy and ordered her to enter his white Honda. The girl did not comply, but ran into her house and told her family members.
The suspect was described as a Hispanic male adult with a goatee with short balding hair or a crew cut.
Some media outlets have connected the sketch of this suspect to Garcia Torres’ booking photo, but Gilroy Police have not identified the suspect yet or announced any possible link to Sierra LaMar.
“Those are other people drawing those conclusions,” Gallacinao said.
The GPD completed their investigation into this incident, and has submitted it to the District Attorney for review.
Snip- http://www.morganhilltimes.com/articles_from_gilroy/child-annoyance-suspect-unrelated-to-sierra-case-police-say/article_1ed91cfb-9df8-5ef2-a810-e46fca51c56d.html
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Public Wonders if Gilroy Sketch is Linked to Sierra LaMar
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-The child annoyances stems from two cases between July 26 and Aug. 3 involving four children between the ages of 9 and 15.
-In August, police said a man invited a boy, 11, and two girls, 9 and 15, away from their home about 3 p.m. in the 900 block of Ortega Circle to a restaurant. The children declined and told their parents, who then called police. In the July case, police said a man tried to lure a 10-year-old girl into his car in front of her home in the 7600 block of Miller Avenue about 5:30 p.m. The girl refused, and ran in and told her parents, who then called police.
-In the August case, the suspect was described as a 20- to 25-year-old Latino man standing between 5 feet 8 inches and 5 feet 9 inches tall and weighing about 160 pounds. In the July case, the suspect was described as a Latino man about 30 years old with short, balding hair or a possible crew cut.
-Garcia-Torres(Latino) is 21 years old, stands 6 feet tall and weighs between 165 to 200 pounds. Detectives said he drove a red Jetta with a black hood. In the July case, the girl described the suspect's car as a "dirty" white 1990s Honda with a black roof. In the August case, the suspect walked away on foot.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Public-Wonders-if-Gilroy-Sketch-is-Linked-to-Sierra-LaMar-158201885.html
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-The child annoyances stems from two cases between July 26 and Aug. 3 involving four children between the ages of 9 and 15.
-In August, police said a man invited a boy, 11, and two girls, 9 and 15, away from their home about 3 p.m. in the 900 block of Ortega Circle to a restaurant. The children declined and told their parents, who then called police. In the July case, police said a man tried to lure a 10-year-old girl into his car in front of her home in the 7600 block of Miller Avenue about 5:30 p.m. The girl refused, and ran in and told her parents, who then called police.
-In the August case, the suspect was described as a 20- to 25-year-old Latino man standing between 5 feet 8 inches and 5 feet 9 inches tall and weighing about 160 pounds. In the July case, the suspect was described as a Latino man about 30 years old with short, balding hair or a possible crew cut.
-Garcia-Torres(Latino) is 21 years old, stands 6 feet tall and weighs between 165 to 200 pounds. Detectives said he drove a red Jetta with a black hood. In the July case, the girl described the suspect's car as a "dirty" white 1990s Honda with a black roof. In the August case, the suspect walked away on foot.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Public-Wonders-if-Gilroy-Sketch-is-Linked-to-Sierra-LaMar-158201885.html
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Pics:
Watching Cold Case. Meta-data is also on Microsoft office.
Her pics, IF not taken by cell camera, which also has meta-data, but if taken on on computer webcam, would have a date/time stamp.
The PD would KNOW which were the last known pics AND the source of the pics whether cell phone or web cam based upon the meta data they both utilize.
Watching Cold Case. Meta-data is also on Microsoft office.
Her pics, IF not taken by cell camera, which also has meta-data, but if taken on on computer webcam, would have a date/time stamp.
The PD would KNOW which were the last known pics AND the source of the pics whether cell phone or web cam based upon the meta data they both utilize.
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I missed this! How did it go?Honeysage wrote:https://www.facebook.com/pages/Marc-Klaas/183358825065798
At midnight I will be the premiere guest on Crime Time with Candace DeLong on KGO 810 radio. Sierra laMar is definitely on the agenda.
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Freckles wrote:I missed this! How did it go?Honeysage wrote:https://www.facebook.com/pages/Marc-Klaas/183358825065798
At midnight I will be the premiere guest on Crime Time with Candace DeLong on KGO 810 radio. Sierra laMar is definitely on the agenda.
Crime Time with Candice DeLong
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This is the raw podcast with Mark. His interview starts before the 5 minute mark.
http://vaca.bayradio.com/kgo_archives/kgo_player.php?day=6&hour=01
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CA Lady wrote:Freckles wrote:I missed this! How did it go?Honeysage wrote:https://www.facebook.com/pages/Marc-Klaas/183358825065798
At midnight I will be the premiere guest on Crime Time with Candace DeLong on KGO 810 radio. Sierra laMar is definitely on the agenda.
Crime Time with Candice DeLong
The show airs/streams live Fridays and Saturdays Midnight - 2 am on San Francisco's KGO Radio 810 am. Archives/podcast at kgoradio.com.
This is the raw podcast with Mark. His interview starts before the 5 minute mark.
http://vaca.bayradio.com/kgo_archives/kgo_player.php?day=6&hour=01
Thank you CA LADY!
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I found postnet92's YouTube video of Sierra's segment on AMW (starts at about 1:45):
Haven't been able to access the podcast of Mark Klaas on Crime Time with Candice DeLong. iPhone resets on that segment midway through his intro. I need uninterrupted time on my laptop to transcribe (it's on my to do list!).
Haven't been able to access the podcast of Mark Klaas on Crime Time with Candice DeLong. iPhone resets on that segment midway through his intro. I need uninterrupted time on my laptop to transcribe (it's on my to do list!).
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