George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #4

alabama52 wrote:I'm so sorry to interrupt, but I was reading another site & there are posters claiming George passed a polygrath & that the autopsy report stated that Trayvon had blood under his nails. Are these facts? TIA

Porky wrote:Poo. I missed an entire day of comments because I have not gotten any alerts since the morning of yesterday.

Porky wrote:Poo. I missed an entire day of comments because I have not gotten any alerts since the morning of yesterday.

ellejay wrote:-in his handwritten stmt , george says--twice-- that he's looking for a street SIGN...



--we all know there are a grand total of 3 streets in the entire place---but rather than look for the sign of the street he (apparently) doesn't know....( (red)--twin trees lane, where his truck is parked..) he goes clear over to the other side on the sidewalk-----to his OWN street, (green) retreat view circle.

--and after going over there (allegedly) does he ever come up WITH an address??---and what would be the point anyway, of getting an address over on retreat view circle, if he was then headed back to his truck --on twin trees---to wait for LE???



--george was so not "looking for an address" OR "street sign"---he was out of his truck, skulking around, looking for "his suspect".

Gizmo711 wrote:

alabama52 wrote:I'm so sorry to interrupt, but I was reading another site & there are posters claiming George passed a polygrath & that the autopsy report stated that Trayvon had blood under his nails. Are these facts? TIA

I heard that Trayvon passed the poly when asked if he feared for his life. I don't know who was administering the poly. However, He may very well fear for his life now and right after the incident, so I doubt that it actually indicates anything. As for blood under Trayvons nails, I didn't hear that, but there was some sort of fighting going on between the two, so I wouldn't doubt that there may have been blood on his hands. Zimmerman was bleeding from his head. I'm sure the defense put that out there for any potential juror's because LE very rarely gives out poly results, they use them only for an investigative tool.

CherokeeNative wrote:Here are the summaries of the witnesses statements taken from this link: http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/people/witnesses/

Witness 1
She says she was in the kitchen cooking, door closed and window half open. She heard a noise that sounded like a kid making a weird noise. She looked out and couldn’t see anything. She went to the door and saw figures and arms and couldn’t make out anything more. She saw her neighbor come out at the same time, who she says told the figures that he was going to call 911. She went back to turn the stove off, and she heard the shot go off. She said she went upstairs and told her sister that she thought someone out there was shot. She also mentions her niece who was in the home and didn’t see anything. She said they saw police a while later. She mentions that she was asked if she knew George, and she says she talked to him a couple of times. That interviewer at that time (not the one on tape) asked her if she thought Zimmerman would have done this, and she said “no.” She says he was always fine with her.… More>>>

Witness 2
Witness says she saw two guys running as she was looking out the kitchen window, but doesn’t know who was in front or behind. They were about 10 feet apart. She saw a fist fight, but doesn’t know who was hitting who. All she heard was “No, no,” and then she heard the shot. She said she is unaware of problems in neighborhood with break-ins.
In latter interviews, she reveals that she didn’t have her contacts or glasses on, and seems to be unclear on whether she actually saw two men chasing one another. In addition, she says that she heard more of the commotion than she saw.
… More>>>

Witness 3
Says she had upstairs windows open and heard someone screaming for help, but couldn’t tell who it was. She identifies the voice as a man. She peeked out of her blinds and saw a guy on top with a white t-shirt. She couldn’t make out anything other than the white top. She says she called 911 after that. She states the sound of the voice screaming sounded scared. While she was on the phone with the lady dispatcher, she heard the gun go off. She identifies the location as being behind her house. She says the only thing she saw was the white shirt–no race, no color of other clothing, nothing else, because it was too dark. She says she saw the police arrive, and they were “like 5 seconds too late.” She says she was confused, because she now knows there was, supposedly, nobody in a white shirt. She then says, “The guy in the handcuffs had on a hoodie, didn’t he?” The interviewer (male) then says, “We are only concerned with what you indicated you thought you saw that night.”… More>>>

Witness 4
Information released from neither the Florida State Attorney’s Office nor the Sanford Police Department at this time.

Witness 5
This witness is Mary Cutcher, who was home with her roommate (Witness #16 Selma Lamilla) the night of the incident. She believes that whomever she saw out there intended to kill the Trayvon Martin. She was about to take an online test and went to make coffes in the kitchen, when she heard sounds like someone in trouble or hurting. She and Selma slowly walked toward the glass door, and saw “the kid” laying on the ground.… More>>>

Witness 6
When he first walked outside, the Black guy was on top while they were wrestling. He could tell this because the guy on the bottom was a lighter color. The witness was looking out the window and yelling out the window telling them to stop. After the incident, he saw other people out there with flashlights. The guy who did the shooting said, “I shot the other guy in self defense. My gun is on the ground.”
He didn’t have his patio door open. He could only hear the helps with all doors and windows closed. He says he couldn’t tell who was yelling for help. He thought it was the person on the ground at first because his logic says that the person on the bottom would be the one yelling for help. He says he truly couldn’t tell who was yelling help. It was too dark. He didn’t see how it started or how it ended. He only saw when they were in an altercation on the ground.
… More>>>

Witness 7
Information released from neither the Florida State Attorney’s Office nor the Sanford Police Department at this time.

Witness 8
She says that Trayvon told her that a white man in a car was watching him from a car. He said that the man watching was on the phone. Trayvon said that he was going to start walking. Phone hung up and she called him back. He said the man was still watching him. He put his hoodie on because it was still raining. She told him to run to his dad’s house. He said that he would run. She heard Trayvon running and could hear the wind. Trayvon said that he lost the guy. Then, he told her the guy was coming closer to him. She heard Trayvon say “Why you following me for?” An old man said “What are you doing around here?” She called Trayvon’s name and he didn’t answer. She said someone bumped him, and she heard the phone drop. She could hear a little bit of sound. Trayvon was saying “Get off, get off.” Then, the phone hung up. She called him back two or three times. She states she has guilt about the situation.… More>>>

Witness 9
This anonymous caller to the Sanford Police Department says that she knows George Zimmerman, and he would start something that could lead to a confrontation. She claims that he is a very confrontational person. She doesn’t talk to him because of things he has done in the past, and she knows all of his family. She urges the police to check into his background and try to get people to come forward and admit the type of person George Zimmerman is. … More>>>

Witness 11
One of the 911 callers on which the screams and shot can be heard (911 Caller #2). She also gives a witness interview. During her interview, she mentions that she is a member of the Retreat at Twin Lakes Homeowner’s Association Board… More>>>

Witness 12
She heard a howling sound, then she heard “help.” She doesn’t know who was saying “help”. At first she couldn’t see anything, because it was dark. A guy was on top of another, then she heard the shot. She couldn’t see any faces or clothing. After comparing the pics on TV, she thinks it was Zimmerman who was on top because the bigger guy is the one who was on top.… More>>>

Witness 13
He said he didn’t see the actual incident. He went outside after the shooting. George Zimmerman was out of breath and “acting like he had just gotten his butt beat.” He asked Zimmerman if he needed him to call 911. He states he called Zimmerman’s wife while he was being cuffed and explained what was happening. Zimmerman blurted out, “Just tell her that I shot someone.” He says Zimmerman was very matter of fact–like it wasn’t a big deal.… More>>>

Witness 14
Austin McLendon is a 13-year-old eighth grader who was walking his dog. He is the brother of Witness #15. The witness states he saw someone lying on the ground who couldn’t get up. It looked like they had on a red shirt. He was outside while walking a dog. The person on the ground was yelling “help.” He says he only looked for a few seconds and only saw one person. He didn’t see how it happened. He didn’t see why he was yelling for help. He thought because it was wet outside that the person had fallen and broken his leg or something since it was wet outside. He only looked for a few seconds and saw only one person who was on the ground–nobody else.… More>>>

Witness 15
This is a call from a female who reports that her brother (Witness #14) ran in the house after someone was shot. The brother then reports that he saw “a man laying on the ground that needed help that was screaming.” He said he was going to help, but his dog got off the leash. He said he heard a loud sound and then the screaming stopped.… More>>>

Witness 16
She heard a kid crying (she sounds it out), and then she heard a shot, but was thinking maybe it was some kids playing. She went out to the porch. She saw a guy laying on the ground and could see another guy on top of him. She asked “what’s going on?” no answer, “what’s wrong with you, what’s going on?” The guy on top looked at her, and finally said “Call the police.” At that moment her roommate (Witness #5, Mary Cutcher) came back and told her to come inside. … More>>>

Witness 17
She said she heard some screaming outside while she an a male companion were watching TV. She heard a male definitely yelling help, but it sounded like they were running toward them yelling help. The male with her went to the patio window and opened the blinds. It was dark and he didn’t see a whole bunch. He then opened the window/door and yelled “Hey stop it” and said he was calling 911. She told him to come in and call 911. She crawled toward the stairs (she was crawling because she is on crutches). She heard the gunshot while she was crawling upstairs. She called the neighbors while calling 911, and they and they were on the phone with 911 too. The man with her said, Oh my God! Someone is lying on the grass!” Then, he told her the police were there. She says the voice calling for help was definitely male. She didn’t look out until after when they were doing CPR on Trayvon.… More>>>

Witness 18
She thought she heard loud voices outside while she was upstairs in her bedroom. She didn’t hear voices for about 10 minutes or so, and then heard them again. She couldn’t see anything at first, then saw two men on the ground and someone calling for help from her window. She remembers hearing the pop noise. She thought she heard more than one pop. She then called 911. She saw a larger man standing a couple of feet from a body. She couldn’t see any faces. She couldn’t hear what the people were yelling about. She said she saw what looked like a “larger Hispanic man” as the person who walked away from the incident.… More>>>

Witness 19
She was going to take her dog out, and she saw a guy lying on the ground moaning when she opened the door. The kid was lying on the ground. She says she saw a gentleman she’s seen before. She says she thought it was an elderly neighbor having a heart attack or something. The guy who lived there (where the body was) said he was going to call 911. She said she pulled her dog back in and put the house alarm on after hearing that her neighbor was going to call 911. She went upstairs, opened a window, she said she hear what sounded like a “pop” sound–a gunshot. She says she doesn’t remember exactly when in the sequence of events the pop sound occurred.… More>>>

Witness 20
Around 7pm, while watching TV, he heard a scuffle in the grass and he thought someone was getting jumped in the backyard. He said “they” got on the phone with 911. He went to get a knife from the kitchen and heard pops. He heard “helps” about 20 times and didn’t hear it anymore after the “pop.” They waited to hear police outside, then went outside to see what was going on… More>>>

Witness 21
Interviewer asks if the witness was aware of a homeowners meeting on 9-22-2011, specific to a neighborhood crime watch. The witness says that it was his first act as homeowner president. He said he met George Zimmerman because George was trying to get residents’ signatures to start a neighborhood watch with the Sanford Police Department. Interviewer: As a result of the meeting, what if any responsibilities were given to George? George was the committee chairman. He says George was organizing the neighborhood watch on his own. He didn’t tell the witness why he was interested in setting up a watch program. The witness emphasized that they were only supposed to watch. He said that there were no complaints about George Zimmerman. He said everyone seemed to think he was doing a good job.… More>>>

Witness 22
He knows Zimmerman as an ex-coworker. They worked together 2008/2009. Zimmerman was already employed when the witness began to work there. He says he is Middle Eastern and the work environment was unwelcoming. Zimmerman noticed that other employees didn’t like him, so Zimmerman chose him as a target of bullying to prove himself to other people to other people.
Witness stated that his mentor said that George was good at his job, and had caught on to the work quickly. As such, he told the witness to ask him or George if the witness had any questions. As a practical joke, Zimmerman made the witness perform menial tasks, then embarrassed him in front of other co-workers for complying with his instruction. He says Zimmerman referred to him as a “fucking moron,” and he did comedy skits about him on the job on multiple occasions.
Zimmerman made fun of the witness and his accent, saying lines from “Ahmed the Terrorist“. This went on for days and days. The witness submitted a letter of complaint to the company after making a verbal complaint to the manager about Zimmerman’s behavior.
The witness said that the taunting got so bad that he felt violent thoughts against Zimmerman. George Zimmerman mocked his accent and made reference to terrorism regarding his background. Zimmerman did comedy shows and jokes about Middle Easterners in reference to the witness while on the job. He constantly called the witness a moron and stupid.
The witness feels like Zimmerman was trying to fit in with the clique and targeted him for that reason. Since the witness was the “new guy,” Zimmerman found him an easy target for entertainment. The managers asked if the witness thought Zimmerman was just playing. The management had a talk with Zimmerman and it didn’t do any good.
The witness says that Zimmerman never threatened him with violence, or put his hands on the witness. It was immature behavior, with racial overtones.
The witness says that Zimmerman would have never messed with Trayvon if he was a big guy. He mentioned that their job hired a new guy who had been in the military, and George Never bothered that guy. He says that George Zimmerman was fired because he called the company hotline excessively. He had a history of filing complaints against managers and how things were run in the store. He was making these complaints to Human Resources. After Zimmerman was fired, the managers told him that HR said the guy was nothing but trouble and to get rid of him. He said that Zimmerman would be extremely professional to your face. He says that Zimmerman is a very convincing guy, and the witness said that Zimmerman’s rebuttal to the managers calling him in about the witness’ complaint made him almost doubt himself–as if to say, perhaps he had misunderstood Zimmerman.
… More>>>

Robert Zimmerman Sr. (George’s Father)
Robert Zimmerman Sr.’s stated in his interview with the FDLE that he is certain that the voice yelling for help on the 911 call is that of his son, George Zimmerman. He also discusses that the case has been hard on his family, and that they have not been able to stay at home. He also attempts to justify George’s act by saying that he wasn’t racially profiling Trayvon Martin, and that George would have done the same had the people who were accused of committing the neighborhood robberies been Asian. One of the main points that he makes is that most of what he’s heard on the media has been lies. He also recounts what injuries he claims to have seen on George Zimmerman.…

I am curious why Witnesses 4 and 7 have been withheld. Also, where the summaries mention "more", I have taken the liberty of adding the remainder of the summary so that you don't have to go look it up...so the "more" doesn't give you anything different than what is posted as far as the witness's statement is concerned.

Chickenbutt wrote:Porky my friend! How the heck are ya?

ellejay wrote:
--when serino played the 911 call for him, even george didn't think the screaming in the background sounded like him.


http://bostonherald.com/news/national/south/view.bg?&articleid=1061141042&format=&page=1&listingType=natsouth#articleFull
Statements reveal George Zimmerman’s mind-set before Trayvon Martin shooting

--snipped--

One thing is clear: To Zimmerman, it was not an isolated incident. It was the culmination of mounting concern and frustration about crime in the subdivision where he was Neighborhood Watch captain.

Prosecutors say the unarmed 17-year-old from Miami Gardens, Fla., was an innocent victim of profiling. Zimmerman, charged with second-degree murder, says he fired during a struggle for his life.

In his video re-enactment for Sanford police the day after the shooting, Zimmerman explained why he found Trayvon suspicious.

Trayvon was in the yard of Frank Taaffe, a Neighborhood Watch buddy whose townhouse had recently been burglarized.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Detectives also played a 911 call, in which cries for help are audible. The issue of who was crying - Zimmerman or Trayvon - has been hotly debated.

"That doesn’t even sound like me," Zimmerman said. It’s unclear whether he was indicating that the voice might not be his, or just that his tone was so frightened he didn’t recognize it.

ellejay wrote:
http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2012/06/george-zimmermans-written-statement.html

--"eyes for lies" analysis of george's written statement.


http://blog.eyesforlies.com/2012/06/george-zimmernans-reenactment-my.html

--"eyes for lies" analysis of george's video reenactment.

Porky wrote:

CherokeeNative wrote:Here are the summaries of the witnesses statements taken from this link: http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/people/witnesses/

Witness 1
She says she was in the kitchen cooking, door closed and window half open. She heard a noise that sounded like a kid making a weird noise. She looked out and couldn’t see anything. She went to the door and saw figures and arms and couldn’t make out anything more. She saw her neighbor come out at the same time, who she says told the figures that he was going to call 911. She went back to turn the stove off, and she heard the shot go off. She said she went upstairs and told her sister that she thought someone out there was shot. She also mentions her niece who was in the home and didn’t see anything. She said they saw police a while later. She mentions that she was asked if she knew George, and she says she talked to him a couple of times. That interviewer at that time (not the one on tape) asked her if she thought Zimmerman would have done this, and she said “no.” She says he was always fine with her.… More>>>

Witness 2
Witness says she saw two guys running as she was looking out the kitchen window, but doesn’t know who was in front or behind. They were about 10 feet apart. She saw a fist fight, but doesn’t know who was hitting who. All she heard was “No, no,” and then she heard the shot. She said she is unaware of problems in neighborhood with break-ins.
In latter interviews, she reveals that she didn’t have her contacts or glasses on, and seems to be unclear on whether she actually saw two men chasing one another. In addition, she says that she heard more of the commotion than she saw.
… More>>>

Witness 3
Says she had upstairs windows open and heard someone screaming for help, but couldn’t tell who it was. She identifies the voice as a man. She peeked out of her blinds and saw a guy on top with a white t-shirt. She couldn’t make out anything other than the white top. She says she called 911 after that. She states the sound of the voice screaming sounded scared. While she was on the phone with the lady dispatcher, she heard the gun go off. She identifies the location as being behind her house. She says the only thing she saw was the white shirt–no race, no color of other clothing, nothing else, because it was too dark. She says she saw the police arrive, and they were “like 5 seconds too late.” She says she was confused, because she now knows there was, supposedly, nobody in a white shirt. She then says, “The guy in the handcuffs had on a hoodie, didn’t he?” The interviewer (male) then says, “We are only concerned with what you indicated you thought you saw that night.”… More>>>

Witness 4
Information released from neither the Florida State Attorney’s Office nor the Sanford Police Department at this time.

Witness 5
This witness is Mary Cutcher, who was home with her roommate (Witness #16 Selma Lamilla) the night of the incident. She believes that whomever she saw out there intended to kill the Trayvon Martin. She was about to take an online test and went to make coffes in the kitchen, when she heard sounds like someone in trouble or hurting. She and Selma slowly walked toward the glass door, and saw “the kid” laying on the ground.… More>>>

Witness 6
When he first walked outside, the Black guy was on top while they were wrestling. He could tell this because the guy on the bottom was a lighter color. The witness was looking out the window and yelling out the window telling them to stop. After the incident, he saw other people out there with flashlights. The guy who did the shooting said, “I shot the other guy in self defense. My gun is on the ground.”
He didn’t have his patio door open. He could only hear the helps with all doors and windows closed. He says he couldn’t tell who was yelling for help. He thought it was the person on the ground at first because his logic says that the person on the bottom would be the one yelling for help. He says he truly couldn’t tell who was yelling help. It was too dark. He didn’t see how it started or how it ended. He only saw when they were in an altercation on the ground.
… More>>>

Witness 7
Information released from neither the Florida State Attorney’s Office nor the Sanford Police Department at this time.

Witness 8
She says that Trayvon told her that a white man in a car was watching him from a car. He said that the man watching was on the phone. Trayvon said that he was going to start walking. Phone hung up and she called him back. He said the man was still watching him. He put his hoodie on because it was still raining. She told him to run to his dad’s house. He said that he would run. She heard Trayvon running and could hear the wind. Trayvon said that he lost the guy. Then, he told her the guy was coming closer to him. She heard Trayvon say “Why you following me for?” An old man said “What are you doing around here?” She called Trayvon’s name and he didn’t answer. She said someone bumped him, and she heard the phone drop. She could hear a little bit of sound. Trayvon was saying “Get off, get off.” Then, the phone hung up. She called him back two or three times. She states she has guilt about the situation.… More>>>

Witness 9
This anonymous caller to the Sanford Police Department says that she knows George Zimmerman, and he would start something that could lead to a confrontation. She claims that he is a very confrontational person. She doesn’t talk to him because of things he has done in the past, and she knows all of his family. She urges the police to check into his background and try to get people to come forward and admit the type of person George Zimmerman is. … More>>>

Witness 11
One of the 911 callers on which the screams and shot can be heard (911 Caller #2). She also gives a witness interview. During her interview, she mentions that she is a member of the Retreat at Twin Lakes Homeowner’s Association Board… More>>>

Witness 12
She heard a howling sound, then she heard “help.” She doesn’t know who was saying “help”. At first she couldn’t see anything, because it was dark. A guy was on top of another, then she heard the shot. She couldn’t see any faces or clothing. After comparing the pics on TV, she thinks it was Zimmerman who was on top because the bigger guy is the one who was on top.… More>>>

Witness 13
He said he didn’t see the actual incident. He went outside after the shooting. George Zimmerman was out of breath and “acting like he had just gotten his butt beat.” He asked Zimmerman if he needed him to call 911. He states he called Zimmerman’s wife while he was being cuffed and explained what was happening. Zimmerman blurted out, “Just tell her that I shot someone.” He says Zimmerman was very matter of fact–like it wasn’t a big deal.… More>>>

Witness 14
Austin McLendon is a 13-year-old eighth grader who was walking his dog. He is the brother of Witness #15. The witness states he saw someone lying on the ground who couldn’t get up. It looked like they had on a red shirt. He was outside while walking a dog. The person on the ground was yelling “help.” He says he only looked for a few seconds and only saw one person. He didn’t see how it happened. He didn’t see why he was yelling for help. He thought because it was wet outside that the person had fallen and broken his leg or something since it was wet outside. He only looked for a few seconds and saw only one person who was on the ground–nobody else.… More>>>

Witness 15
This is a call from a female who reports that her brother (Witness #14) ran in the house after someone was shot. The brother then reports that he saw “a man laying on the ground that needed help that was screaming.” He said he was going to help, but his dog got off the leash. He said he heard a loud sound and then the screaming stopped.… More>>>

Witness 16
She heard a kid crying (she sounds it out), and then she heard a shot, but was thinking maybe it was some kids playing. She went out to the porch. She saw a guy laying on the ground and could see another guy on top of him. She asked “what’s going on?” no answer, “what’s wrong with you, what’s going on?” The guy on top looked at her, and finally said “Call the police.” At that moment her roommate (Witness #5, Mary Cutcher) came back and told her to come inside. … More>>>

Witness 17
She said she heard some screaming outside while she an a male companion were watching TV. She heard a male definitely yelling help, but it sounded like they were running toward them yelling help. The male with her went to the patio window and opened the blinds. It was dark and he didn’t see a whole bunch. He then opened the window/door and yelled “Hey stop it” and said he was calling 911. She told him to come in and call 911. She crawled toward the stairs (she was crawling because she is on crutches). She heard the gunshot while she was crawling upstairs. She called the neighbors while calling 911, and they and they were on the phone with 911 too. The man with her said, Oh my God! Someone is lying on the grass!” Then, he told her the police were there. She says the voice calling for help was definitely male. She didn’t look out until after when they were doing CPR on Trayvon.… More>>>

Witness 18
She thought she heard loud voices outside while she was upstairs in her bedroom. She didn’t hear voices for about 10 minutes or so, and then heard them again. She couldn’t see anything at first, then saw two men on the ground and someone calling for help from her window. She remembers hearing the pop noise. She thought she heard more than one pop. She then called 911. She saw a larger man standing a couple of feet from a body. She couldn’t see any faces. She couldn’t hear what the people were yelling about. She said she saw what looked like a “larger Hispanic man” as the person who walked away from the incident.… More>>>

Witness 19
She was going to take her dog out, and she saw a guy lying on the ground moaning when she opened the door. The kid was lying on the ground. She says she saw a gentleman she’s seen before. She says she thought it was an elderly neighbor having a heart attack or something. The guy who lived there (where the body was) said he was going to call 911. She said she pulled her dog back in and put the house alarm on after hearing that her neighbor was going to call 911. She went upstairs, opened a window, she said she hear what sounded like a “pop” sound–a gunshot. She says she doesn’t remember exactly when in the sequence of events the pop sound occurred.… More>>>

Witness 20
Around 7pm, while watching TV, he heard a scuffle in the grass and he thought someone was getting jumped in the backyard. He said “they” got on the phone with 911. He went to get a knife from the kitchen and heard pops. He heard “helps” about 20 times and didn’t hear it anymore after the “pop.” They waited to hear police outside, then went outside to see what was going on… More>>>

Witness 21
Interviewer asks if the witness was aware of a homeowners meeting on 9-22-2011, specific to a neighborhood crime watch. The witness says that it was his first act as homeowner president. He said he met George Zimmerman because George was trying to get residents’ signatures to start a neighborhood watch with the Sanford Police Department. Interviewer: As a result of the meeting, what if any responsibilities were given to George? George was the committee chairman. He says George was organizing the neighborhood watch on his own. He didn’t tell the witness why he was interested in setting up a watch program. The witness emphasized that they were only supposed to watch. He said that there were no complaints about George Zimmerman. He said everyone seemed to think he was doing a good job.… More>>>

Witness 22
He knows Zimmerman as an ex-coworker. They worked together 2008/2009. Zimmerman was already employed when the witness began to work there. He says he is Middle Eastern and the work environment was unwelcoming. Zimmerman noticed that other employees didn’t like him, so Zimmerman chose him as a target of bullying to prove himself to other people to other people.
Witness stated that his mentor said that George was good at his job, and had caught on to the work quickly. As such, he told the witness to ask him or George if the witness had any questions. As a practical joke, Zimmerman made the witness perform menial tasks, then embarrassed him in front of other co-workers for complying with his instruction. He says Zimmerman referred to him as a “fucking moron,” and he did comedy skits about him on the job on multiple occasions.
Zimmerman made fun of the witness and his accent, saying lines from “Ahmed the Terrorist“. This went on for days and days. The witness submitted a letter of complaint to the company after making a verbal complaint to the manager about Zimmerman’s behavior.
The witness said that the taunting got so bad that he felt violent thoughts against Zimmerman. George Zimmerman mocked his accent and made reference to terrorism regarding his background. Zimmerman did comedy shows and jokes about Middle Easterners in reference to the witness while on the job. He constantly called the witness a moron and stupid.
The witness feels like Zimmerman was trying to fit in with the clique and targeted him for that reason. Since the witness was the “new guy,” Zimmerman found him an easy target for entertainment. The managers asked if the witness thought Zimmerman was just playing. The management had a talk with Zimmerman and it didn’t do any good.
The witness says that Zimmerman never threatened him with violence, or put his hands on the witness. It was immature behavior, with racial overtones.
The witness says that Zimmerman would have never messed with Trayvon if he was a big guy. He mentioned that their job hired a new guy who had been in the military, and George Never bothered that guy. He says that George Zimmerman was fired because he called the company hotline excessively. He had a history of filing complaints against managers and how things were run in the store. He was making these complaints to Human Resources. After Zimmerman was fired, the managers told him that HR said the guy was nothing but trouble and to get rid of him. He said that Zimmerman would be extremely professional to your face. He says that Zimmerman is a very convincing guy, and the witness said that Zimmerman’s rebuttal to the managers calling him in about the witness’ complaint made him almost doubt himself–as if to say, perhaps he had misunderstood Zimmerman.
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Robert Zimmerman Sr. (George’s Father)
Robert Zimmerman Sr.’s stated in his interview with the FDLE that he is certain that the voice yelling for help on the 911 call is that of his son, George Zimmerman. He also discusses that the case has been hard on his family, and that they have not been able to stay at home. He also attempts to justify George’s act by saying that he wasn’t racially profiling Trayvon Martin, and that George would have done the same had the people who were accused of committing the neighborhood robberies been Asian. One of the main points that he makes is that most of what he’s heard on the media has been lies. He also recounts what injuries he claims to have seen on George Zimmerman.…

I am curious why Witnesses 4 and 7 have been withheld. Also, where the summaries mention "more", I have taken the liberty of adding the remainder of the summary so that you don't have to go look it up...so the "more" doesn't give you anything different than what is posted as far as the witness's statement is concerned.

Great summary CN. Can someone clarify if Taffe is a witness and where the fight occurred in relation to Taffe's home?

angela_nw wrote:hey folks - if you do "quick reply" at the bottom of the page then you won't be copying Cherokee's long summary each time (thanks much Cherokee for that list)
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Gizmo711 wrote:Zimmerman is lying up a storm. There is no way he got out of his car to look for a street name. The 911 tape shows that. He was persuing Trayvon and wasn't going to let him out of his site if he could help it. He wouldn't need a street address in the complex, all he had to say was by the mail boxes, by the club house, by the entrance etc. What would a street name do? Nothing. It wasn't like Zimmerman was trying to say where Trayvon lived or anything. Than he plainly tells the 911 operator to have the police call him when they get there. So what street address? It doesn't make any sense. Zimmerman didn't know where he was going to be because he was chasing after Trayvon, not looking for a street name.

Zimmerman is full of it. I just hope that after his lying about the donations that Judge Lester keeps the "no bond" status.

ellejay wrote:--JQ's "papapi" has done a few screenshots from the grainy clubhouse video , posted here:

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1598157&postcount=90

--"papapi"--"For those interested in what's on the clubhouse surveillance video, I've done you all a favor. I've picked out what the author at DailyKos found and placed the shortened version on tinypic for all to see...."

http://v6.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=30nkq42&s=6

--a close-up of someone @ the front door here:

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1598313&postcount=151

--colour and contrast enhanced in the close-up here:

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1598375&postcount=171

Porky wrote:It will be relatively easy to pierce a hole in Zimmermans claim that he did not know the street name. They have almost 50 of his 911 calls. All they have to do it sift back through all of the calls and see how he handles giving them the locations on them.

CherokeeNative wrote:Another link to enjoy:

https://imgur.com/a/bcAII

serenaz1 wrote:

CherokeeNative wrote:Another link to enjoy:

https://imgur.com/a/bcAII

Good one! I like that chart with the traffic & timeline.

CherokeeNative wrote:I've been busy today - here's another good read regarding GZ's injuries:

http://thisruthlessworld.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/do-medical-records-exonerate-george-zimmerman-not-so-fast/

Alessandra_Deux wrote:

alabama52 wrote:I'm so sorry to interrupt, but I was reading another site & there are posters claiming George passed a polygrath & that the autopsy report stated that Trayvon had blood under his nails. Are these facts? TIA

Apparently a voice stress test was performed on Zimmerman, it is considered more unreliable than a polygraph test.

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1. Fingernail scrapings from Trayvon:

Right hand: positive for presence of blood. No DNA results foreign to Trayvon Benjamin Martin found.

Left hand: STR DNA analysis performed. No DNA results were obtained.

2. Stain analysis from Trayvon’s shirt.

Five stains identified as A, B, C, D, E and general rubbings from cuff/lower sleeve regions on both arms.

Blood found on stains A, B, D and E.

No chemical indication for the presence of blood on stain C and general rubbings from cuff/lower sleeve regions of both arms.

3. DNA profile of stains:

Stain A: matches Zimmerman’s DNA and the possibility of an additional contributor to this DNA profile.

Stain B: matches Trayvon’s DNA.

Stain D: mixed DNA profiles of at least two individuals found. Major and minor contributors cannot be determined. Zimmerman and Trayvon are included as possible contributors.

Stain E: matches Trayvon’s DNA.

Right cuff/lower sleeve: no DNA results foreign to Trayvon Martin were obtained.

Left cuff/lower sleeve: demonstrated the presence of at least two individuals. “Assuming Trayvon Martin is a contributor to the mixture, foreign DNA results were obtained.

Due to the limited nature of this results, this data is insufficient for inclusion purpose.” No determination can be made regarding the possible contribution of Zimmerman.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/blogs/dolphinocean/622-analysis-lab-report-zimmermans-case-part-2.html

(Blood for Zimmerman is type A; Trayvon is type B AND type E; mix of these two is type D. There is no type C and Trayvon is listed twice.).

sitemama wrote:Freckles, how do you know that GZ has Type A and TM has type B blood?

(Blood for Zimmerman is type A; Trayvon is type B AND type E; mix of these two is type D. There is no type C and Trayvon is listed twice.).

I have never heard of type E blood. I think the A, B, C, D, & E were just the 5 markings of stains, not blood types.

serenaz1 wrote:

ellejay wrote:--JQ's "papapi" has done a few screenshots from the grainy clubhouse video , posted here:

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1598157&postcount=90

--"papapi"--"For those interested in what's on the clubhouse surveillance video, I've done you all a favor. I've picked out what the author at DailyKos found and placed the shortened version on tinypic for all to see...."

http://v6.tinypic.com/player.swf?file=30nkq42&s=6

--a close-up of someone @ the front door here:

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1598313&postcount=151

--colour and contrast enhanced in the close-up here:

http://www.justicequest.net/forums/showpost.php?p=1598375&postcount=171

Yay! I'm so happy that someone cut those down. Thanks for posting it and the Papa YT videos, those are good too!

Gizmo711 wrote:I just watched it again. As soon as the camera switches to where a door shows, at the very top hand corner just before a flashlite shows, you can see a figure go past real fast, then you see a flashlite, and the person with the flashlite seems to stop for a second and you see the flashlite again. This could be what one witness claims that they saw two people running and they saw a flashlite.

I know I see it, I looked at it a few times and you can see two figures one a few seconds behind the first figure. The second figure has a lite flashlite.

Freckles wrote:http://thisruthlessworld.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/do-medical-records-exonerate-george-zimmerman-not-so-fast/

Solid and thorough commentary on GZ' head injuries.
Well done!

Chickenbutt wrote:Angela. The GZ Injury Report (in the library) shows that at the scene GZ's vital signs were all within normal limits. No elevated respiratory rate, no shaking, no nothing that would indicate stress.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam/news/static/cfnews13/documents/george-zimmerman-injuries.pdf

snowbird wrote:

Chickenbutt wrote:Angela. The GZ Injury Report (in the library) shows that at the scene GZ's vital signs were all within normal limits. No elevated respiratory rate, no shaking, no nothing that would indicate stress.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/dam/news/static/cfnews13/documents/george-zimmerman-injuries.pdf

I wished they would have include B/P like they include respiration. If he was in fear of his life I would expect respiration would have been increased because of flight or fight. It would still be up after the shooting because he was handcuff and placed into the police car. This would also be a stressor and would increase respiration and B/P.

As so if he was in so much pain because he thought his head was going to explode then I would expect increase respiration and B/P.

This person should have been under a lot of anxiety however he appears to be cool as a cucumber.