George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #4

Freckles wrote:This came from out of the blue and I am just tossing it around. Someone made a comment GZ may have been stalking Trayvon for sometime. Is there any possibility GZ was aware Trayvon had left the area (perhaps he saw him leave?) and decided to stake out the area for his return ? Perhaps he was even at the store area and saw Trayvon walking back to the housing area so he sat in his truck and waited?

GZ is the only one who says when he saw Trayvon and what he, GZ, was aiming to do at that time. There are no collaborating witnesses. Should we believe him in this?

Just tossing out the possibility.

--according to robZ sr. george sent a text to his sister about going shopping that night.....it will be interesting to see the time that he sent it as far as it being corroboration....if he sent it at say 4 p.m...then it obviously means nothing as far as what time george actually left home...( or as george would probably say, "exited his residence"..with his "firearm"..)

--sean hannity show , april 4th 2012.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2012/04/05/exclusive-george-zimmermans-father-defends-son-trayvon-martin-shooting
Exclusive: George Zimmerman's father defends son in Trayvon Martin shooting

HANNITY: Yes. Why don't you walk us through because you obviously have spoken to your son. Tell us his side of this story on this night. Tell us what happened.

ZIMMERMAN: Well, it's customary on Sunday night for George to go and do grocery shopping. He had been texting his sister and told her that he was going to go and do grocery shopping. He got in his vehicle to leave the community. He saw somebody that did not live in the community walking behind some townhomes. That small gated community has had a lot of problems with burglaries and people coming into that community to commit crimes. So he thought that it was suspicious.

Freckles wrote:http://thisruthlessworld.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/do-medical-records-exonerate-george-zimmerman-not-so-fast/

Solid and thorough commentary on GZ' head injuries.
Well done!

That is interesting. I hadn't seen/heard about that part in the report where the doctor mentions him being lawfully armed, etc., is that another piece I've missed?

Wonder if that was written since he was supposedly requesting a work release? Which is also puzzling since I thought I'd read that his employer said he hadn't been in the building since the shooting. Didn't Oliver(?) say he(they?) went into the office and were told he needed a release first?

I'm not fully awake yet, so I might be scrambling things more than usual, sorry. :)

ellejay wrote:

Freckles wrote:This came from out of the blue and I am just tossing it around. Someone made a comment GZ may have been stalking Trayvon for sometime. Is there any possibility GZ was aware Trayvon had left the area (perhaps he saw him leave?) and decided to stake out the area for his return ? Perhaps he was even at the store area and saw Trayvon walking back to the housing area so he sat in his truck and waited?

GZ is the only one who says when he saw Trayvon and what he, GZ, was aiming to do at that time. There are no collaborating witnesses. Should we believe him in this?

Just tossing out the possibility.

--according to robZ sr. george sent a text to his sister about going shopping that night.....it will be interesting to see the time that he sent it as far as it being corroboration....if he sent it at say 4 p.m...then it obviously means nothing as far as what time george actually left home...( or as george would probably say, "exited his residence"..with his "firearm"..)

--sean hannity show , april 4th 2012.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2012/04/05/exclusive-george-zimmermans-father-defends-son-trayvon-martin-shooting
Exclusive: George Zimmerman's father defends son in Trayvon Martin shooting

HANNITY: Yes. Why don't you walk us through because you obviously have spoken to your son. Tell us his side of this story on this night. Tell us what happened.

ZIMMERMAN: Well, it's customary on Sunday night for George to go and do grocery shopping. He had been texting his sister and told her that he was going to go and do grocery shopping. He got in his vehicle to leave the community. He saw somebody that did not live in the community walking behind some townhomes. That small gated community has had a lot of problems with burglaries and people coming into that community to commit crimes. So he thought that it was suspicious.

I wonder if this is the text that was brought out in court while he was on the stand.

If the work place wanted a work release, I am sure they wanted to know if he was stable since he just shot someone.

snowbird wrote:

ellejay wrote:

--according to robZ sr. george sent a text to his sister about going shopping that night.....it will be interesting to see the time that he sent it as far as it being corroboration....if he sent it at say 4 p.m...then it obviously means nothing as far as what time george actually left home...( or as george would probably say, "exited his residence"..with his "firearm"..)

--sean hannity show , april 4th 2012.

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/2012/04/05/exclusive-george-zimmermans-father-defends-son-trayvon-martin-shooting
Exclusive: George Zimmerman's father defends son in Trayvon Martin shooting

HANNITY: Yes. Why don't you walk us through because you obviously have spoken to your son. Tell us his side of this story on this night. Tell us what happened.

ZIMMERMAN: Well, it's customary on Sunday night for George to go and do grocery shopping. He had been texting his sister and told her that he was going to go and do grocery shopping. He got in his vehicle to leave the community. He saw somebody that did not live in the community walking behind some townhomes. That small gated community has had a lot of problems with burglaries and people coming into that community to commit crimes. So he thought that it was suspicious.

I wonder if this is the text that was brought out in court while he was on the stand.

IIRC, the text that was brought up by De La Rionda at the bond hearing was about Trayvon's father and "a certain Reverend".

snowbird wrote:
I wonder if this is the text that was brought out in court while he was on the stand.

--in court, de la rionda is asking him about messages referencing "a reverend", or trayvon's father...( i'm very interested in seeing those messages!)

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1204/20/cnr.02.html
--bond hearing--april 20/2012.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE--de la rionda: Ok. Now, sir, you had a phone at some point and you agreed to turn over that phone to the police so they could make a copy of what was in there, right?

ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in that phone did you receive or send text messages sir.

ZIMMERMAN: Yes, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever make any reference to a reverend?

O'MARA: Objection, your honor. Outside the scope.

JUDGE LESTER: Sustained.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever make any reference to Mr. Martin, the father of the victim?

JUDGE LESTER: Sustained. You're getting a little bit far away.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I apologize your honor. My question is he was asked in terms of apology to the family and I'd like to be able to address that if I could.

JUDGE LESTER: I think you can classify that whether or not he asked the apology. I don't want to get into other areas.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.

JUDGE LESTER: Thank you.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My question is, Mr. Zimmerman, do you recall sending a message to someone, an e-mail, about referring to the victim's father?

ZIMMERMAN: No, sir. I don't.

Now, I really can't wait to read the email.

Since the defense released all the tapes of George with police, why did they not release his doctors report. I the release of tapes they wanted people to think he was in fear of his life.

One thing I can say about the press in this case, it would seem if they are saying what george says show he was in fear of his life. They are taking the cause of the defendant unlike the Anthony case. In a way I believe this is good because I don't think they will be able to get a change of venue. This should be tried where the incident occurred.

Freckles wrote:CN at 11:01 said:
Clipped-
"1. I believe he had his gun unholstered and in hand when the two went to the ground - if Trayvon did throw a punch at him, which I do not believe, it had to be because he saw the gun; this would also explain why GZ had no defensive injuries to his hands as he was busy holding onto his gun; or"

I agree. Totally. And that explains the lack of defensive injuries to GZ' hands/arms. Regarding the back of the head: I still have to wonder if he did not back into a stationary object such as an AC unit. (Due to the type of "scratches" located on the back of the head, I would have considered the markings to have been made by Trayvon's fingernails except there is no DNA evidence under the nails of Trayvon. )

What DNA evidence is found on Trayvon's phone? Is there anything from GZ indicating it had been used as a "weapon"?

In the video reenactment, GZ uses one of his own arms to show where Trayvon’s arm was. Supposedly reaching for a gun in a waistband holster. Then watch his arm, the movement of how he “drew it and fired” from a LOT LOWER. That gun was not in the holster. It was in his hand or in his pocket. And in the pocket Trayvon would not have seen it. Placing the gun INTO the holster after the shooting was a smart bit of misdirection, to make everyone believe that is where it started out. Not that he explains when he got the time to do that, between everyone coming out. And no witness recalls him asking for help to restrain Trayvon. And nobody shot through the heart at close range with a hollow point proceeds to say 3 sentences, falls back, then falls forward, then is still STRUGGLING 15 seconds later enough to need being restrained.

In officer Smith’s report he says that while the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, he overheard him say, I was yelling for help, but no-one would help me. What is odd about that is that the Investigators make it a point to ask all the SFD paramedic witnesses if Zimmerman made any statements to them and they all say NO, in their interviews. So what is up with Officer Smith’s report ?

Also the SFD paramedics are asked by the investigators if they recall what Zimmerman was wearing when they treated him. Well, from the interviews they say that his hands are cuffed behind his back and he was wearing a shirt(polo) and pants(jeans). My question is …where was his JACKET ? Remember, one witness said the guy on top was wearing a white shirt - GZ was wearing a white shirt under his red jacket. Something is hinky here.

ETA: One of the paramedics said that Zimmerman complained when she was cleaning the wound say “ow, ow” as she was scraping away at the DRIED BLOOD TO GET TO SEE THE ACTUAL WOUND. To me, the wound sounds more like a scabbed over cut that got reopened. I think it’s really, really odd that 15 minutes after an injury on a night where the air is filled with moisture, the paramedic still had to pry off dried blood from Zimmerman’s head.
The paramedics also claim to have cleaned off BLOOD FROM ZIMMERMAN’S HANDS AND ARMS. If he had blood on his arms, then he didn't have the jacket on.

I just hope the truth comes out in this case. At the very least GZ should be held for manslaughter. TM was standing his ground and paid with his life, not cool.

CherokeeNative wrote:In officer Smith’s report he says that while the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, he overheard him say, I was yelling for help, ...
Also the SFD paramedics are asked by the investigators if they recall what Zimmerman was wearing when they treated him. ...
ETA: ... If he had blood on his arms, then he didn't have the jacket on.

CN - do you recall where you read these reports (links) please?
I am confused about GZ shirt - in photos he is wearing a gray long-sleeved shirt under his red jacket, not a white t- or polo- shirt. ??
Very interesting about blood on arms - if you have links for any of these, plz post.

I agree and think MOM is a master at playing the PR game in a very low key way.
Initially he was giving Fox some minor scoops, but it seems like he was going to get favorable press from them no matter what. Now he's giving ABC first crack and their coverage put GZ in a fairly favorable light.

CherokeeNative wrote:Witnesses 6, 12, and 18 saw two men on the ground, one atop of the other - but only 6 appears to be able to tell who was on top and he has since changed his statement... All of the other witnesses only saw what occurred after the shooting, or only saw one person on the ground. So as far as testimony goes from lay witnesses, it will come down to witness 6 and DeeDee's statement and then, of course, GZ.

http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/Media%20Motions%20to%20Intervene.pdf
--June 22/2012---media motion to intervene (additional jail calls, witness #9 stmt...etc.)

page 10:

---P/P---the defendant says that the 2nd stmt by witness #9 will taint the jury pool. in the order revoking bond, the Court mentions that shellie is a liar, george didn't alert the Court to the blatant lies, the Court says george "doesn't properly respect the law or the judicial process"---shellie's been charged----all of the above is OUT THERE in the media, and the defendent is seriously trying to get us to believe it's witness #9's stmt that is the big problem???? c'mon on....let's be realistic.

CherokeeNative wrote:In officer Smith’s report he says that while the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, he overheard him say, I was yelling for help, but no-one would help me. What is odd about that is that the Investigators make it a point to ask all the SFD paramedic witnesses if Zimmerman made any statements to them and they all say NO, in their interviews. So what is up with Officer Smith’s report ?

Also the SFD paramedics are asked by the investigators if they recall what Zimmerman was wearing when they treated him. Well, from the interviews they say that his hands are cuffed behind his back and he was wearing a shirt(polo) and pants(jeans). My question is …where was his JACKET ? Remember, one witness said the guy on top was wearing a white shirt - GZ was wearing a white shirt under his red jacket. Something is hinky here.

ETA: One of the paramedics said that Zimmerman complained when she was cleaning the wound say “ow, ow” as she was scraping away at the DRIED BLOOD TO GET TO SEE THE ACTUAL WOUND. To me, the wound sounds more like a scabbed over cut that got reopened. I think it’s really, really odd that 15 minutes after an injury on a night where the air is filled with moisture, the paramedic still had to pry off dried blood from Zimmerman’s head.
The paramedics also claim to have cleaned off BLOOD FROM ZIMMERMAN’S HANDS AND ARMS. If he had blood on his arms, then he didn't have the jacket on.

I said it once as a joke, but maybe he did have a fight with Shellie and that's why he was lout lurking around. His father first said that George had cooked dinner for his wife and after putting it on the table went to taget to get something. Now he is saying that he was going food shopping? I don't know too many women that don't like to do the food shopping themselves, but who knows who did tall the cooking in that house.

However, maybe Shellie knocked George upside his head and that's why he went out.

Giz..my hubby does all the grocery shopping. He thinks I spend too much money as I am an impusive buyer.
I do all the cooking tho, except when I can talk him into grilling.

AugustWA wrote:I just hope the truth comes out in this case. At the very least GZ should be held for manslaughter. TM was standing his ground and paid with his life, not cool.

Exactly, just because Trayvon lost his life, that doesn't mean he wasn't fighting for his life, but the one wielding the gun won and now wants to claim self defense. What about Trayvon 's self defense? But the poor kid only had an ice tea and a bag of skittles, that wasn't much of a match to a 9mm....

Chickenbutt wrote:Giz..my hubby does all the grocery shopping. He thinks I spend too much money as I am an impusive buyer.
I do all the cooking tho, except when I can talk him into grilling.

I always did the shopping however my husband did cook alot. He liked his own cooking better than mine. So did I...

CherokeeNative wrote:In officer Smith’s report he says that while the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, he overheard him say, I was yelling for help, but no-one would help me. What is odd about that is that the Investigators make it a point to ask all the SFD paramedic witnesses if Zimmerman made any statements to them and they all say NO, in their interviews. So what is up with Officer Smith’s report ?

Also the SFD paramedics are asked by the investigators if they recall what Zimmerman was wearing when they treated him. Well, from the interviews they say that his hands are cuffed behind his back and he was wearing a shirt(polo) and pants(jeans). My question is …where was his JACKET ? Remember, one witness said the guy on top was wearing a white shirt - GZ was wearing a white shirt under his red jacket. Something is hinky here.

ETA: One of the paramedics said that Zimmerman complained when she was cleaning the wound say “ow, ow” as she was scraping away at the DRIED BLOOD TO GET TO SEE THE ACTUAL WOUND. To me, the wound sounds more like a scabbed over cut that got reopened. I think it’s really, really odd that 15 minutes after an injury on a night where the air is filled with moisture, the paramedic still had to pry off dried blood from Zimmerman’s head.
The paramedics also claim to have cleaned off BLOOD FROM ZIMMERMAN’S HANDS AND ARMS. If he had blood on his arms, then he didn't have the jacket on.

Excellent question!

Just in:
New motion for bail for Trayvon Martin's killer

" "Mr. Zimmerman is still entitled to a reasonable bond notwithstanding the court's finding that Mr. Zimmerman failed to disclose the existence of the donated money at his last bond hearing," said the motion signed by Zimmerman's lead attorney."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE85O11O20120625

Chickenbutt wrote:Giz..my hubby does all the grocery shopping. He thinks I spend too much money as I am an impusive buyer.
I do all the cooking tho, except when I can talk him into grilling.

I do all the shoppin in our house too and my wife does the bulk of the cooking, except for grilling. I am the better money manager and the better shopper too.

Are you secretly my hubby? If not, you are twins separated at birth.

Chickenbutt wrote:Are you secretly my hubby? If not, you are twins separated at birth.

We were going to spring the news on you at dinner. Twin brothers :)

George's father & brother have made such a big deal about George heading out to grocery shop that night that, frankly, I have some doubt there. George, after dinner, could have driven around doing his usual paranoid, wanna-be-cop neighborhood watch routine.

Chickenbutt wrote:Giz..my hubby does all the grocery shopping. He thinks I spend too much money as I am an impusive buyer.
I do all the cooking tho, except when I can talk him into grilling.

so funny - I thought I was the only one with that situation. I actually like it now though, i sit at home look thru the weekly ads & plan our meals then sit back while he goes out & brings home everything I need to enjoy my weekends and evenings cooking for the family. Grilling is the only thing I don't do, don't even know how to start the thing! Glad I'm not the only one banned from the grocery store by hubby

angela_nw wrote:

CherokeeNative wrote:In officer Smith’s report he says that while the SFD was attending to Zimmerman, he overheard him say, I was yelling for help, ...
Also the SFD paramedics are asked by the investigators if they recall what Zimmerman was wearing when they treated him. ...
ETA: ... If he had blood on his arms, then he didn't have the jacket on.

CN - do you recall where you read these reports (links) please?
I am confused about GZ shirt - in photos he is wearing a gray long-sleeved shirt under his red jacket, not a white t- or polo- shirt. ??
Very interesting about blood on arms - if you have links for any of these, plz post.

Angela - here's the link to one of the statements that I read. http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/people/fire-department/kevin-orourke-paramedic/

The paramedic says polo shirt - the witness says "white" shirt.

George was not wearing a polo shirt. It appeared to be a gray t-shirt to me. Is that correct?

alabama52 wrote:George was not wearing a polo shirt. It appeared to be a gray t-shirt to me. Is that correct?

Paramedic O'Rourke says: Zimmerman was wearing a shirt and jeans. He doesn’t remember–standard jeans and a polo shirt.

Up thread, I had this idea of listing out all of the discrepancies that we could find between the GZ's video reenactment and video statements - but lo and behold, there is already a blog that is doing this. http://bcclist.com/2012/06/22/george-zimmerman-video-reenactment-lies-and-interview-discrepancies/

Freckles wrote:Just in:
New motion for bail for Trayvon Martin's killer

" "Mr. Zimmerman is still entitled to a reasonable bond notwithstanding the court's finding that Mr. Zimmerman failed to disclose the existence of the donated money at his last bond hearing," said the motion signed by Zimmerman's lead attorney."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE85O11O20120625

I wonder when the judge is calculating a new bond is he going to take into consideration the donations. After all, it was the reason that the bond was revoked in the first place. He lied about having any money. If O"mara is going to insist that the donation money is only for defense and spending money for Zimmerman, than what was the purpose of revoking his first bond?

I honestly do not think the judge is going to listen to O'Mara and will set a bond much higher for all the deceitfulness by George and Shellie.

CherokeeNative wrote:

alabama52 wrote:George was not wearing a polo shirt. It appeared to be a gray t-shirt to me. Is that correct?

Paramedic O'Rourke says: Zimmerman was wearing a shirt and jeans. He doesn’t remember–standard jeans and a polo shirt.

I wonder why they waited almost a month to interview the paramedics? That's seems weird to me.

If this has already been posted - sorry - otherwise, it is a video where the creator is pointing out the discrepancies in GZ's reenactment video. This is only the first phase and he indicates he intends to do the remainder shortly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k07wZIU1siM&feature=youtu.be

Chickenbutt where are you? I need your help. Here is a quote from Trayvon's autopsy report. I have been reading at other blog sites that are also pro-Trayvon, and it is mentioned many times that it appears that GZ has crafted his story in such a way where he was reversing the rolls of Trayvon and himself. Tell me, does this mean that Trayvon's brain was swollen?

"The scalp is intact without contusions or lacerations. The calvarium is likewise intact without bony abnormalities or fractures. The brain weighs 1400 grams and presents moderate congestion of the leptomeninges. The overlying dura is intact and unremarkable. The cerebral hemispheres reveal a normal gyral pattern with severe global edema…."
BBM

Autopsy Report: http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/documents-2/court-documents/discovery-documents-part-1-183-pages-5152012/

TIA

ETA - I should add a disclaimer here - I am ONLY viewing other pro-Trayvon sites to see if there is any angle or thing that we have missed here on our blog. I am loyal to RC.

At first blush I would say yes....but the weight of the brain is normal. I would have to defer to KZ's expertise.......KZ, where are you?

I absolutely must share this comment that was posted at another pro-Trayvon site in response to a pro-GZ commentor - I thought it was a perfect analysis:

"Very basically, you can’t claim a few VERY MINOR injuries caused you to fear for your life, kill someone, then claim the trauma of doing a killing makes you unable to remember ANYTHING except you were in fear for your life, with no details about HOW or WHY. It’s like pleading for clemency because you’re a fatherless motherless orphan….. when charged with killing your parents."

Chickenbutt wrote:At first blush I would say yes....but the weight of the brain is normal. I would have to defer to KZ's expertise.......KZ, where are you?

Good question! One of you guys might want to PM her in case she's not checking the thread.

serenaz1 wrote:

CherokeeNative wrote:


Paramedic O'Rourke says: Zimmerman was wearing a shirt and jeans. He doesn’t remember–standard jeans and a polo shirt.

I wonder why they waited almost a month to interview the paramedics? That's seems weird to me.

Because, IMO, the SPD had all but closed their case ... and then the public uproar, the appointment of a special prosecutor, and the investigation was picked back up and handled appropriately as it should have been in the beginning, albeit way too late.

CherokeeNative wrote:I absolutely must share this comment that was posted at another pro-Trayvon site in response to a pro-GZ commentor - I thought it was a perfect analysis:

"Very basically, you can’t claim a few VERY MINOR injuries caused you to fear for your life, kill someone, then claim the trauma of doing a killing makes you unable to remember ANYTHING except you were in fear for your life, with no details about HOW or WHY. It’s like pleading for clemency because you’re a fatherless motherless orphan….. when charged with killing your parents."

That is perfect! How can he claim he's traumatized when all his vitals were NORMAL after supposedly fighting for his life?! Even seasoned cops show more emotion when involved with a shooting than he did. That's why I'd like to know how much of the tranquilizers he had in his system. Something is not right with the guy! He's either drugged to the hilt or a psychopath who sees nothing wrong with his actions, to the point he doesn't even have any remorse or fear of lying to the court and on official documents.

CherokeeNative wrote:

serenaz1 wrote:

I wonder why they waited almost a month to interview the paramedics? That's seems weird to me.

Because, IMO, the SPD had all but closed their case ... and then the public uproar, the appointment of a special prosecutor, and the investigation was picked back up and handled appropriately as it should have been in the beginning, albeit way too late.

Yeah, that's definitely proof that they weren't working the case very hard. It's not like it would have been hard to locate those people.

serenaz1 wrote:

CherokeeNative wrote:

Because, IMO, the SPD had all but closed their case ... and then the public uproar, the appointment of a special prosecutor, and the investigation was picked back up and handled appropriately as it should have been in the beginning, albeit way too late.

Yeah, that's definitely proof that they weren't working the case very hard. It's not like it would have been hard to locate those people.

Just like the SPD took DNA from GZ - he was being cooperative so they could have as easily obtained his permission to take a blood sample and done a toxocology test to see what he was on, but they didn't. I don't think the SPD is uber sophisticated in homicide investigations.

Gizmo711 wrote:

Freckles wrote:Just in:
New motion for bail for Trayvon Martin's killer

" "Mr. Zimmerman is still entitled to a reasonable bond notwithstanding the court's finding that Mr. Zimmerman failed to disclose the existence of the donated money at his last bond hearing," said the motion signed by Zimmerman's lead attorney."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/25/us-usa-florida-shooting-idUSBRE85O11O20120625

I wonder when the judge is calculating a new bond is he going to take into consideration the donations. After all, it was the reason that the bond was revoked in the first place. He lied about having any money. If O"mara is going to insist that the donation money is only for defense and spending money for Zimmerman, than what was the purpose of revoking his first bond?

I honestly do not think the judge is going to listen to O'Mara and will set a bond much higher for all the deceitfulness by George and Shellie.

I find it difficult to believe the Judge will give a hoot whether MOM wants the money to be used exclusively for litigation expenses and GZ's and Shellie's living expenses. Those living expenses can be cut down significantly by leaving his butt in jail - I mean they already paid off all of the debts - so let Shellie get a job to feed herself. No matter, I don't think the Judge will give that any consideration except that he will want to avoid making GZ indigent and reliant upon the taxpayers to pay his litigation expenses.

You all might find this interesting. I pulled this comment from the Bcc:List.com blog because it explains this commentor's explaination about the clubhouse videos and he has provided a link to show what he is describing:

tchoupi.caillou Says:

June 25, 2012 at 12:21 am
I’ve completed the analysis of the clubhouse videos. My figures are there: https://imgur.com/a/bcAII.

The main points are:
1) No vehicle stopped at the front of the clubhouse. This is a major contradiction of GZ’s statement.
2) There is a small traffic increase in front of the clubhouse between 7:06 & 7:09. The second vehicle seen during that 2min period looks like GZ’s Honda Ridgeline and it goes toward the north entrance. This would be 3min earlier than what he stated and reenacted.
3) At 7:08 a vehicle stops for 10sec by the mailboxes then proceeds toward the back entrance. It makes a U turn on TTL and stops facing west shining the pool with its headlights at about 7:09. This can only be GZ and it is another discrepancy with GZ’s reenactment/statement.

It looks like GZ drove around the gated community for about 2min passing by the clubhouse 5x before stopping at the mailboxes for 10sec and finally parking further east after a U-turn so that he could face the mailboxes right before calling SPD.

The videos are in fact very important as they prove that GZ observed TM for 3 minutes before calling SPD. Even if this is a much shorter time than what I was stating in my previous posts (up to 25min), it still remain a fact that George Zimmerman started stalking Trayvon Martin before calling 911. By stopping 10sec by the mailboxes where Trayvon was, George Zimmerman becomes the one who started the confrontation about 8min before the scuffle.

CherokeeNative wrote:

Gizmo711 wrote:

I wonder when the judge is calculating a new bond is he going to take into consideration the donations. After all, it was the reason that the bond was revoked in the first place. He lied about having any money. If O"mara is going to insist that the donation money is only for defense and spending money for Zimmerman, than what was the purpose of revoking his first bond?

I honestly do not think the judge is going to listen to O'Mara and will set a bond much higher for all the deceitfulness by George and Shellie.

I find it difficult to believe the Judge will give a hoot whether MOM wants the money to be used exclusively for litigation expenses and GZ's and Shellie's living expenses. Those living expenses can be cut down significantly by leaving his butt in jail - I mean they already paid off all of the debts - so let Shellie get a job to feed herself. No matter, I don't think the Judge will give that any consideration except that he will want to avoid making GZ indigent and reliant upon the taxpayers to pay his litigation expenses.

The court didn't give a hoot about my living expenses when I had to bond someone out. The judge set a bond and I had to pay it. Why should the court care about George's living expenses, they certainly do not take that into consideration when setting a bond on any other criminal.

Cher this is interesting! Wow.
Does this closely match the findings of the Kos poster?
He had him parked and going around with the flashlight for minutes before ever calling the police. I'm wondering if that's where the ATM footage comes in- showing he had set out much earlier than he said he did. I always thought it could show him pulling a U Turn back to his community perhaps because he had spotted Trayvon entering or under the awning. It would have to help fix the timeline I think.

CherokeeNative wrote:You all might find this interesting. I pulled this comment from the Bcc:List.com blog because it explains this commentor's explaination about the clubhouse videos and he has provided a link to show what he is describing:

tchoupi.caillou Says:

June 25, 2012 at 12:21 am
I’ve completed the analysis of the clubhouse videos. My figures are there: https://imgur.com/a/bcAII.

The main points are:
1) No vehicle stopped at the front of the clubhouse. This is a major contradiction of GZ’s statement.
2) There is a small traffic increase in front of the clubhouse between 7:06 & 7:09. The second vehicle seen during that 2min period looks like GZ’s Honda Ridgeline and it goes toward the north entrance. This would be 3min earlier than what he stated and reenacted.
3) At 7:08 a vehicle stops for 10sec by the mailboxes then proceeds toward the back entrance. It makes a U turn on TTL and stops facing west shining the pool with its headlights at about 7:09. This can only be GZ and it is another discrepancy with GZ’s reenactment/statement.

It looks like GZ drove around the gated community for about 2min passing by the clubhouse 5x before stopping at the mailboxes for 10sec and finally parking further east after a U-turn so that he could face the mailboxes right before calling SPD.

The videos are in fact very important as they prove that GZ observed TM for 3 minutes before calling SPD. Even if this is a much shorter time than what I was stating in my previous posts (up to 25min), it still remain a fact that George Zimmerman started stalking Trayvon Martin before calling 911. By stopping 10sec by the mailboxes where Trayvon was, George Zimmerman becomes the one who started the confrontation about 8min before the scuffle.

Cher this is interesting! Wow.
Does this closely match the findings of the Kos poster?
He had him parked and going around with the flashlight for minutes before ever calling the police. I'm wondering if that's where the ATM footage comes in- showing he had set out much earlier than he said he did. I always thought it could show him pulling a U Turn back to his community perhaps because he had spotted Trayvon entering or under the awning. It would have to help fix the timeline I think.

CherokeeNative wrote:You all might find this interesting. I pulled this comment from the Bcc:List.com blog because it explains this commentor's explaination about the clubhouse videos and he has provided a link to show what he is describing:

tchoupi.caillou Says:

June 25, 2012 at 12:21 am
I’ve completed the analysis of the clubhouse videos. My figures are there: https://imgur.com/a/bcAII.

The main points are:
1) No vehicle stopped at the front of the clubhouse. This is a major contradiction of GZ’s statement.
2) There is a small traffic increase in front of the clubhouse between 7:06 & 7:09. The second vehicle seen during that 2min period looks like GZ’s Honda Ridgeline and it goes toward the north entrance. This would be 3min earlier than what he stated and reenacted.
3) At 7:08 a vehicle stops for 10sec by the mailboxes then proceeds toward the back entrance. It makes a U turn on TTL and stops facing west shining the pool with its headlights at about 7:09. This can only be GZ and it is another discrepancy with GZ’s reenactment/statement.

It looks like GZ drove around the gated community for about 2min passing by the clubhouse 5x before stopping at the mailboxes for 10sec and finally parking further east after a U-turn so that he could face the mailboxes right before calling SPD.

The videos are in fact very important as they prove that GZ observed TM for 3 minutes before calling SPD. Even if this is a much shorter time than what I was stating in my previous posts (up to 25min), it still remain a fact that George Zimmerman started stalking Trayvon Martin before calling 911. By stopping 10sec by the mailboxes where Trayvon was, George Zimmerman becomes the one who started the confrontation about 8min before the scuffle.

CherokeeNative wrote:Chickenbutt where are you? I need your help. Here is a quote from Trayvon's autopsy report. I have been reading at other blog sites that are also pro-Trayvon, and it is mentioned many times that it appears that GZ has crafted his story in such a way where he was reversing the rolls of Trayvon and himself. Tell me, does this mean that Trayvon's brain was swollen?

"The scalp is intact without contusions or lacerations. The calvarium is likewise intact without bony abnormalities or fractures. The brain weighs 1400 grams and presents moderate congestion of the leptomeninges. The overlying dura is intact and unremarkable. The cerebral hemispheres reveal a normal gyral pattern with severe global edema…."
BBM

Autopsy Report: http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/documents-2/court-documents/discovery-documents-part-1-183-pages-5152012/

TIA

ETA - I should add a disclaimer here - I am ONLY viewing other pro-Trayvon sites to see if there is any angle or thing that we have missed here on our blog. I am loyal to RC.

Severe global edema, would be fluid in the area of brain. Yes, it could be from swelling. This could also be the result of the brain dieing after him being shot. He was shot thru the heart, so his brain was deprived of o2, therefore it would have taken his brain time to shut down. By time I don't mean very long. I have not read the report yet, I have not been able to go there in my mind. I really hated writing this much down.

bobkealing Prosecutors just sent out notice more #GeorgeZimmerman discovery incl audio and video out at 1pm today.

I am wondering if witness 9 relates an incident that involves others. If its an ex alone squalling I don't know how credible many would find it, so I have the feeling her second statement opens a whole can of ugly.
Does anyone know the status of the other missing witness statements?
Or what juicy bits we shld expect from he dump this week?
I should expect the prosecution to time their release to get some press. Efore Fridays hearing?

ellejay wrote:
http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_iReleases/Media%20Motions%20to%20Intervene.pdf
--June 22/2012---media motion to intervene (additional jail calls, witness #9 stmt...etc.)

page 10:

---P/P---the defendant says that the 2nd stmt by witness #9 will taint the jury pool. in the order revoking bond, the Court mentions that shellie is a liar, george didn't alert the Court to the blatant lies, the Court says george "doesn't properly respect the law or the judicial process"---shellie's been charged----all of the above is OUT THERE in the media, and the defendent is seriously trying to get us to believe it's witness #9's stmt that is the big problem???? c'mon on....let's be realistic.

Well, people can drop the Miranda issue, Georgie signed a form:



https://yfrog.com/h482jrkj

Breaking: Lead investigator Chris Serino in charge of Trayvon Martin case WAS just transferred out of investigative unit to night patrol.

http://twitter.com/#!/DaraleneJones

Daralene is with WFTV.

Nobody's found much of interest in the dump?
I'm wondering if she's saving the better stuff for later in the week. Or if MOM beat her to the punch.
Both sides are so tactical!