George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #4

Sanford police: Zimmerman passed up two chances to talk to Trayvon

By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel

4:16 p.m. EST, June 26, 2012

Just-released documents show that Sanford police didn't believe everything murder defendant George Zimmerman told them about what happened the night he killed Trayvon Martin but they had no evidence to disprove his self-defense claim.

"Investigative findings show the physical injuries displayed by George Michael Zimmerman were marginally consistent with a life-threatening episode as described by him," wrote police Investigator Chris Serino.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-26/news/os-george-zimmerman-latest-evidence-20120626_1_special-prosecutor-release-statements

Sorry, been away all day. What was released?

Trayvon Ran! New Evidence Says Zimmerman Pursued Martin (DETAILS)

Posted 3 hours 29 min ago by The Decider for Global Grind Staff

Prosecutors have released more evidence in the George Zimmerman case today: video, audio recordings and written statements, including a police report that concludes Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman.

Most of the other evidence released includes a longer version of the re-enactment video made by Zimmerman, along with new paperwork: a nearly 30-page Sanford police report that was previously unreleased.

The paperwork revealed that Sanford police concluded Trayvon was running toward the townhouse where he was staying when the two confronted each other.

And it shows that they believed Zimmerman was following Trayvon, something the second-degree murder defendant initially admitted, but later denied.

http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-case-evidence-extended-version-re-enactment-video-released

George told police that he suffered from PSTD??? Wow, that could explain alot of his actions!


Uh, PTSD.....sorry!

Can someone link me the new police report.....I can't seem to find it... <-------me

Chickenbutt wrote:Can someone link me the new police report.....I can't seem to find it... <-------me

I can't either! It appears there's not a lot new here in that there are just police reports summarizing their thoughts- not anything specific.
There's also supposed to be stuff released without the redactions- but I think that was mostly names.

Thanks Wee, the only thing I saw new was the video with the stoppages to compare to the original statement and non911 call. Thought I was going crazy.

Chickenbutt wrote:Thanks Wee, the only thing I saw new was the video with the stoppages to compare to the original statement and non911 call. Thought I was going crazy.

Here you go:

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/Sections/NEWS/zimmerman_martin_evidence_20120626.pdf

Chickenbutt wrote:Can someone link me the new police report.....I can't seem to find it... <-------me

Found it- there's a link here:

http://www.news4jax.com/news/New-George-Zimmerman-evidence-released/-/475880/15284410/-/x6p5xm/-/index.html

Thank you....gonna go read

Did we know that GZ "observed (TM) entering the gated community?" as it says in the first report?

Wait, Det Serinos report says "walking in the community"

Which is it? DId he see him enter the community, or just see him walking around?

Serinos report says "able to fire one round at POINT BLANK RANGE. Thought it was intermediate range? Again, which is it?

BBM

Report says "Zimmerman stated that after he discharged the firearm, Martin ceased battering him and fell over...."

Where are TM's dying declarations of "you got me, you did it" or whatever they were?

Chickenbutt wrote:Report says "Zimmerman stated that after he discharged the firearm, Martin ceased battering him and fell over...."

Where are TM's dying declarations of "you got me, you did it" or whatever they were?

I think GZ's story grew as time elapsed. Also, if you go back a page or two on this thread, you will see where I posted a comment by one of many who believe that GZ was stalking Trayvon up to about 10 minutes before he called the non911 number. Follow the link I provided, it is pretty darn interesting and if true - GZ's goose is cooked.

I read that thread. As I read thru all these reports, there are too many inconsistencies to relate.
It would not surprise me in the least to find out GZ stalked TM. He is just the kind to do that.

Chickenbutt wrote:I read that thread. As I read thru all these reports, there are too many inconsistencies to relate.
It would not surprise me in the least to find out GZ stalked TM. He is just the kind to do that.

The fact that the prosecution had the videos makes me wonder if they are going to try and follow that theory or not.

If they can determine that GZ was following TM, that would be the route to take I would think. I think that GZ getting out of his truck was the fatal mistake. That perpetuated everything that happened after that.

The differences in the stmts is troubling to the defense to say the least.

O/T kinda

I just saw a commercial of a new comedy movie called "The Watch" with Ben Stiller and Vince Vaughn. It's all about Neighborhood Watch people. Wonder if they called GZ to ask for technical input?

Chickenbutt wrote:O/T kinda

I just saw a commercial of a new comedy movie called "The Watch" with Ben Stiller and Vince Vaughn. It's all about Neighborhood Watch people. Wonder if they called GZ to ask for technical input?

Hi Chickenbutt! The movie was originally to be released as "The Neighborhood Watch" but, due to Trayvon's death & George's case, they changed it to "The Watch."

Really? I had never seen it advertised before, but that is not unusual, I hate commercials!

Chickenbutt wrote:Really? I had never seen it advertised before, but that is not unusual, I hate commercials!

I haven't seen the ad for it but heard about the name change a month or so ago on the news.

Musta missed that....thanks for educating me

*sigh* This case just pisses me off. We'll never truly know what happened that night because GZ is a lying liar who lies and TM is dead and can't defend himself. It's just so frustrating.

b2b, you have to have faith....we haven't seen everything yet. Yes, GZ has proven himself to be a liar, but the prosecution will speak for Trayvon. I am certain his voice will be heard. Buck up!

back2back19 wrote:*sigh* This case just pisses me off. We'll never truly know what happened that night because GZ is a lying liar who lies and TM is dead and can't defend himself. It's just so frustrating.

I know. I swore that I would not get wrapped up in another case after the Anthony fiasco, yet, here I am. I can't believe I am doing this again.

I hope so, CB, but I fear GZ will get off on that whole stand your ground bs. It just appalls me.

alabama52, that's exactly why I'm trying not to get involved in this case. The CA case burned me too badly. I now go into any trial I follow believing justice will not prevail. In this case I just worry we'll never know what exactly happened and GZ will just get off scott free without it going to trial.

back2back19 wrote:I hope so, CB, but I fear GZ will get off on that whole stand your ground bs. It just appalls me.

alabama52, that's exactly why I'm trying not to get involved in this case. The CA case burned me too badly. I now go into any trial I follow believing justice will not prevail. In this case I just worry we'll never know what exactly happened and GZ will just get off scott free without it going to trial.

I know the fear you are feeling. I quit blogging for months after CA...just ruined my trust in our justice system, and I blame Bozo. What he did was the most unethical thing I have ever witnessed an attorney do. But with GZ, I really am cautious about him getting off on this SYG law... every time I start getting nervous, I go back and read the case law that says you cannot bring about the cause for the altercation and then claim self-defense - nor can you meet force with excessive force. So we have those two things going for us - and hopefully we will not get another Pinellas jury.

OMFG, Serino got demoted (some say he wanted the move). Now people are tweeting that Matt Guttman - ABC answered a tweet asking if Serino was the leaker of the video of arrival at police station, with "yes he was". Now Guttman is denying his reply was in response to that question, but people screen-capped it.

With Twitter, it is easy to respond to someone else in error, but he's now deleted the tweet.

Can this case get any crazier?!?

Oh geez, i need to proofread better, Serino got demoted to night patrol.

So folks think SPD found out he leaked info, guess we'll hear more if this plays out...

WTH?? Something is hinky about this. Not sure if this was posted earlier-- I'm just catching up on the day.

Lead police detective in Trayvon shooting reassigned to patrol

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-26/news/os-trayvon-martin-serino-transferred-20120626_1_police-investigator-shooting-death-sanford

We crossed posts, Seranaz1-- I just saw this. Something is just very odd about this. I really can't believe he wanted to "just work night shift" as a patrol officer. Yikes.

That sounds like the standard elected politician "I'm resigning/ not running/ retiring to spend more time with my family" answer. I don't buy it. Something is up with Serino. Someone is unhappy with him-- maybe related to this case, maybe not. JMO.

KZ wrote:We crossed posts, Seranaz1-- I just saw this. Something is just very odd about this. I really can't believe he wanted to "just work night shift" as a patrol officer. Yikes.

That sounds like the standard elected politician "I'm resigning/ not running/ retiring to spend more time with my family" answer. I don't buy it. Something is up with Serino. Someone is unhappy with him-- maybe related to this case, maybe not. JMO.

Well it could be that he did leak info to ABC and they found out about it. I'm going to try and post the screencap where Guttman replies "yes" when asked if Serino was source, hope it works!



Well, it's not very big, but hopefully y'all can see it. Guttman deleted the tweet and said he was replying to a different question & that he'd never reveal a source. I can't believe he'd answer a question in the affirmative like that on Twitter, but considering Serino's new status...

Seranaz--ok, I'm confused. Is it just that he shouldn't have leaked info at all that this is all about?? Who exactly would be upset about what he leaked?? If he leaked? What did he damage IF he leaked something?

And the reporter Guttman-- if he was in possession of something super secret-- why would he "out" his source? That doesn't make any sense.

None of this makes any sense to me at this point. But I do know that going from detective to patrol is pretty much a demotion, no matter how you spin it. Somebody up high is very unhappy with something Serino did or said.

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Sanford police: Zimmerman passed up two chances to talk to Trayvon

By Rene Stutzman and Jeff Weiner, Orlando Sentinel

4:16 p.m. EST, June 26, 2012

Just-released documents show that Sanford police didn't believe everything murder defendant George Zimmerman told them about what happened the night he killed Trayvon Martin but they had no evidence to disprove his self-defense claim.

"Investigative findings show the physical injuries displayed by George Michael Zimmerman were marginally consistent with a life-threatening episode as described by him," wrote police Investigator Chris Serino.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-26/news/os-george-zimmerman-latest-evidence-20120626_1_special-prosecutor-release-statements

If you click the arrow to advance to the next page, that appears to be questions from a LDT. It indicates the responses are from GZ.

Did GZ pass a LDT?
If not, were these some of the questions given to him?
EDITED:
Report is a VOICE STRESS TEST.

https://yfrog.com/ocds9iej

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Trayvon Ran! New Evidence Says Zimmerman Pursued Martin (DETAILS)

Posted 3 hours 29 min ago by The Decider for Global Grind Staff

Prosecutors have released more evidence in the George Zimmerman case today: video, audio recordings and written statements, including a police report that concludes Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman.

Most of the other evidence released includes a longer version of the re-enactment video made by Zimmerman, along with new paperwork: a nearly 30-page Sanford police report that was previously unreleased.

The paperwork revealed that Sanford police concluded Trayvon was running toward the townhouse where he was staying when the two confronted each other.

And it shows that they believed Zimmerman was following Trayvon, something the second-degree murder defendant initially admitted, but later denied.

http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-case-evidence-extended-version-re-enactment-video-released

Based on this:
Trayvon was headed S toward the family friend's home.
Trayvon was shot through the chest.
GZ shot Trayvon through the chest according to GZ.

IF Trayvon was confronted in this manner,wouldn't GZ had to have been headed NORTH?

IF GZ was headed NORTH, his earlier statements re where he went are LIES.
GZ WOULD have had to have cut through between the townhouses.

KZ wrote:Seranaz--ok, I'm confused. Is it just that he shouldn't have leaked info at all that this is all about?? Who exactly would be upset about what he leaked?? If he leaked? What did he damage IF he leaked something?

And the reporter Guttman-- if he was in possession of something super secret-- why would he "out" his source? That doesn't make any sense.

None of this makes any sense to me at this point. But I do know that going from detective to patrol is pretty much a demotion, no matter how you spin it. Somebody up high is very unhappy with something Serino did or said.

And Guttman is reassigned to Tel Aviv!

(according to the Rumor Mill)

KZ wrote:Seranaz--ok, I'm confused. Is it just that he shouldn't have leaked info at all that this is all about?? Who exactly would be upset about what he leaked?? If he leaked? What did he damage IF he leaked something?

And the reporter Guttman-- if he was in possession of something super secret-- why would he "out" his source? That doesn't make any sense.

None of this makes any sense to me at this point. But I do know that going from detective to patrol is pretty much a demotion, no matter how you spin it. Somebody up high is very unhappy with something Serino did or said.

I'm confused too and if he hadn't been demoted, I'd not think much about it either since the evidence would have come out eventually anyway. So maybe there was payment involved, given ABC's penchant for throwing money around for a story. If Serino took $, maybe they demoted rather than fire him due to the pending case? How screwed up would that be if they had to let the lead investigator go?!

The demotion could be coincidental to the Guttman thing, but you're right, something is fishy!

Freckles wrote:

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Trayvon Ran! New Evidence Says Zimmerman Pursued Martin (DETAILS)

Posted 3 hours 29 min ago by The Decider for Global Grind Staff

Prosecutors have released more evidence in the George Zimmerman case today: video, audio recordings and written statements, including a police report that concludes Trayvon was running away from Zimmerman.

Most of the other evidence released includes a longer version of the re-enactment video made by Zimmerman, along with new paperwork: a nearly 30-page Sanford police report that was previously unreleased.

The paperwork revealed that Sanford police concluded Trayvon was running toward the townhouse where he was staying when the two confronted each other.

And it shows that they believed Zimmerman was following Trayvon, something the second-degree murder defendant initially admitted, but later denied.

http://globalgrind.com/news/george-zimmerman-trayvon-martin-case-evidence-extended-version-re-enactment-video-released

Based on this:
Trayvon was headed S toward the family friend's home.
Trayvon was shot through the chest.
GZ shot Trayvon through the chest according to GZ.

IF Trayvon was confronted in this manner,wouldn't GZ had to have been headed NORTH?

IF GZ was headed NORTH, his earlier statements re where he went are LIES.
GZ WOULD have had to have cut through between the townhouses.

Yeah, his stories & re-enactment do not line up at all with where Trayvon's body was found.

I vote for LIAR LIAR, pants on fire!

DebFrmHell wrote:

And Guttman is reassigned to Tel Aviv!

(according to the Rumor Mill)

Israel?????? Really? Is that a joke??

Omg. I have to go to bed!

KZ wrote:

DebFrmHell wrote:

And Guttman is reassigned to Tel Aviv!

(according to the Rumor Mill)

Israel?????? Really? Is that a joke??

Omg. I have to go to bed!

I was just getting ready to post the same question! I think your suggestion of throwing in the towel for the night is a good one for me too, my head is spinning from all this crazy crap!

KZ wrote:

DebFrmHell wrote:

And Guttman is reassigned to Tel Aviv!

(according to the Rumor Mill)

Israel?????? Really? Is that a joke??

Omg. I have to go to bed!

I don't know if it was a joke or not but I'm trying to stifle laughter here. It WOULD NOT surprise me. It IS Florida, no offense Floridians, but you guys know you are the crazy state. Right?

Well, one thing is certain-- there will be "more" info on all this in the morning. Maybe it will all make sense then.

But "sumthin" very strange is going on. Or maybe it's nothing, and I'm just reading it all wrong.

Israel?? Was he just sent far away for some reason, or is there some connection there for the reporter? That just seems too weird.

KZ wrote:Well, one thing is certain-- there will be "more" info on all this in the morning. Maybe it will all make sense then.

But "sumthin" very strange is going on. Or maybe it's nothing, and I'm just reading it all wrong.

Israel?? Was he just sent far away for some reason, or is there some connection there for the reporter? That just seems too weird.

If Serino hadn't been demoted, I probably wouldn't have mentioned the Gutman thing as I'm not very trusting of the group that posted it. But since Gutman did delete that tweet & then posted denials, something happened.

They call her drive by Deb.....

This must be what Deb was referring to:

Matt Gutman ‏@mattgutmanABC
Bumped into @UncleRUSH in Tel Aviv airport - he's bringing Imams and Rabbis together in the Middle East. A noble yet challenging endeavor

Dis wrote:They call her drive by Deb.....

More like a lurk by! LOL! I haven't found anything to comment on lately.

First the City of Sanford helps Serino shift to patrol cop while maintaining his current Detective rate of pay.

The timing of Gutman getting transferred out of the country when he has been with the Zimmerman case for months, getting lots of exclusives for ABC, earning his keep, the rest of the scheduled Doc Dump and the Bond hearing on Friday etc. Then he outs his source errr.... answers another question from a different tweeter that just happens to have the same name... Poof! Waves hello to Tel Aviv!

Methinks that Zimmerman may not have financial problems even if the defense uses up all of his fund. ABC lawyers are going to be crawling all over this one! And I also think that the City of Sanford might have a legal issue brewing, too, and not just one that might be brought by the Fulton-Martins either.

All of this within a scant 48 hours. I find it kind of amusing. Even if it turns out not to be that much, it does add a certain twist!

Almost count down to bond hearing. I say Judge Lester will not reinstate a bond. JMO

As for the poly and Zimmerman passing it, this does not mean diddly. I also wonder who is putting this out there and is the sole purpose, to reach potential jurors? It is not admissable in court therefore it will not be brought up at trial. As for Zimmerman being in fear of his life, he may very well have been in fear (even while holding a gun), any human being would feel fear of some sort when in any altercation at all. His fear should not hold any water in a case such as this, he initiated the encounter. If Trayvon was around and given a poly he too would have passed on whether he was in fear of his life. There was no other reason to put this out on the media other than to try and reach potential juror's or get more donations.

O'Mara is anticipating a large bond, so how will he get around not paying it unless he has enough donations, but than again, how would he expalin to the judge that he has that amount of money and still wants George to have a low bond? So either way it looks to me that Zimmerman will remain in jail until the trial.

Also, one does not lie to a judge, it shows little respect, and makes a fool of the one that will be presiding over his case. Another bad, bad choice on Zimmermans part. The mere fact that Shellie has been arrested and now faces a trial herself, there is no way the Judge is going to let George off easy again. JMO

Gutman was working for ABC in Jerusalem for two years.
There's nothing odd about them choosing to cover something in Tel Aviv.
Serino is another story.

Did I post this link already?

https://youtu.be/scaaastoxl0

As I recall, in the video statements and/or reenactment, GZ indicates that he doesn't know why they did not take him to the hospital the evening of the shooting - yet the arresting officer claims that the SFD offered to take GZ to the hospital and he declined. In fact, the officer asked him again once at the station, and GZ declined again. GZ sure remembers things differently that everyone else.

The report released yesterday contains a key element to the investigative findings that "Investigative findings show the physical dimensions of Trayvon, and that of GZ coupled with the absence of any specialized training in hand to hand combat between either combatant, did not place GZ in any extraordinary or exceptional disadvantage of apparent physical ability or defensive capacity. Investigative findings show the physical injuries displayed by GZ are marginally consistent with a life-threatening violent episode as described by him, during which neither a deadly weapon nor deadly force was deployed by Trayvon Martin." This goes towards the case law that states that you can meet force with like force, but not more (i.e., you can't use a gun in a fist fight). Plus, GZ wasn't at a disadvantage as far as size and hand to hand combat - yet, GZ had no defensive wounds...meaning IMO rather than fight back, he simply pulled his gun and shot.

Lastly, the fact that GZ claims that Trayvon punched him causing him to fall and that Trayvon immediatey climbed on top of him and started beating him doesn't explain how the two ended up many feet south of the T....are we supposed to believe they rolled that far? LOL Not likely IMO.

IMO this is not a slam dunk SYG case - as Hornsbey noted many weeks ago, GZ is going to have problems explaining why he was anywhere south of the T. Given the non911 tape and the many discrepancies in GZ's stories, there is a reasonable cause to believe that GZ was pursuing Trayvon.

OK, I have something to say here. As most of you know, hubby was LE for 30+ years. He was a patrol officer, a homicide detective, undercover detective, and ended up as a commander over the detective division. In the dept where he worked, patrol officers applied to transfer into detectives for a TWO YEAR TOUR. After their two years, they were transferred back to patrol and other officers were rotated into the detective division. That way, many patrol officers were cross trained in detective work and did a better job on the street and at crime scenes. Their pay was their pay regardless of the dept, but detectives usually had bigger paychecks as they were being called out more often and worked more overtime.
So, IMO, I really don't see a big deal in Serino going back to partol. That may just be the way the dept works.