Re: George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #5

by Gizmo711 Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:22 am

ellejay wrote:--excellent video today from 'LLMPapa'---love the part where george pretty much reenacts pulling his gun and shooting-------w/ it upside down...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIi3YlWBw7w
Zimmerman's R/H Tale In A L/H World

Published on Jun 30, 2012 by LLMPapa

Ellejay, you are a genious. Of course, he reinacted a gun being shot upside down. Can this video be sent to the prosecution? (just incase they don't figure it out).

by Gizmo711 Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:33 am

ecossie possie wrote:Couldnt GZ get his version off events over and avoid the danger of cross examination by the other side.Im assumeing his Father an Wife Sister Is his Mother alive?Havent heard anymention of his real Mom...Anyway couldnt he simply re tell his story time after time to Family on visits.After a crash course crib an learn kesson from his defence team..Eventually as in the CAYLEES case we know thease videos are recorded an can be requested by either defence or prosecution an entered into evidence.This way they could get hours of GZ simply repeating final version /get out of jail free version ./7?An he never needs take the stand an I doubt the prosecution will want thoses tAPES PLAYED FOR THE jURY TO HEAR.But if they defence use this tactic an enter them then they will have no way to block them I M O..Didnt Baez despretely try to get the visit vt ruled inadmissable in court,,,,They had no recourse but to close the visits down.So if the prosecution doesnt use the visit tapes in evidence at least the ones with the scripted court version of tell the Jury what realy happened..He may say things damageing in other visits or covert tapes .He has been sitting in jail now for weeks probaly made hundredss of calls last time he was seven 8 times per day on phone.Mind you they had fraud an code talk hideing moneu biz going on..But they have proved they are not thesmartess tacks in a box.Who knows what may have been said .I imagine his wife was none to pleased to be charged with perjury an embroiled with possable jail time now.The moneys gone an the breif bubble of giddyness when the money started rolling in are gone...Even if she passes her tests ect gets qualifications as an Nurse.Wouldnt a fellony conviction barr you from position.George is in Jail the 5 bedroom 4 week house lease is gone off the early weeks following his first arrest an breif incarseration.Therealgzsite seemed like there very own magic golden egg laying blood money disspencein machine.Not only did they know about this money they pled poverty to the court an claimed indegent status to procure a low bond.Gz claimed to be broke up untill M O M said he had his first proper meeting with him 3 days after the bond hearing.I M O GZ thought revealing this info to his attorney was protected uder client council privalage rule.He was more than likely shocked an pizzed when informed he had to reveal this new info an relinquish his golden goose to turn it over to M O M To prosper from while he an his family get nowt,

I think that not only was the Zimmermans trying to get a low bond but they wanted the state to pay for all expert witnesses etc. They wanted to keep all that money for themselves, they were hoping that more and more would pour in. That is why Zimmerman did not want to give up his passport. Zimmerman was not going to go to jail and make his wife have all that money. He was going to be in control just like he was in control that night when he shot Trayvon.

by Gizmo711 Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:34 am

alabama52 wrote:Gizmo, the bond hearing will resume on Monday??? I wonder what's up. I think InSession reported that Judge Lester would announce his decision through an e-mail. Yeah, that's weird but that is what was said.

That's what the news stated, but they can be wrong as they sometimes are....

by Gizmo711 Sun Jul 01, 2012 5:54 am

CherokeeNative wrote:http://my.firedoglake.com/mason/tag/forensic-science/

I too believe that the call with Trayvon and his GF are going to be very important. It was the only object that Trayvon had at his disposal. I was thinking along the lines of the can of tea. But this shows that Trayvon didn't even have the time to reach for a better object then the cell phone. The confrontation had to be instantainiously, which is why the screaming was Trayvon without a doubt.

by Gizmo711 Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:10 am

ellejay wrote:
Porky wrote:

If found not guilty, he will get rich. He will turn iconic for the gun toters and make a killing on the talk show circuits. Sadly enough.

--well, that's what everyone (or most everyone) was saying about kc anothony.

--and look at how "rich" she is.....broke, owes tons of money to the IRS and the Court...STILL "in hiding"...she was such a pariah when she got off, any reputable entity wanted ZERO to do w/ her.

--i personally don't think george will get off..

I do not think he is going to get off either. There are many more people out here tat are appauld at what Zimmerman did, than those of a Taaffe nature. I too think he will end up a CA, broke and in hiding (if he is found NG)

by Gizmo711 Sun Jul 01, 2012 6:22 am

CherokeeNative wrote:

Instead of duplicating your entire post (because I don't know how to shorten it) It makes so much sense. It is virtually impossible for it to have happened the way that Zimmerman (the only witness and shooter) claims. This along with the video with George explaining how he went for his gun on the right side of him and being left handed but using his right hand to bring up the gun, could not have happened.

I believe the prosecution (as Bernie stated) was not going to be the trial at the bond hearing. The prosecution is holding on tight to what they have and it all is going to hang this lying killer.

As for O'Mara, he is giving it his best shot, but I think it's more so for the donations that are coming in. This case has become a big money maker for an attorny that started "pro bono".

by alabama52 Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:29 am

Wow, Gizmo, you stated exactly what I have been thinking and feeling about O'Mara. It seems to me that he is speaking to the donors more & more. Does he feel his case may be a lost cause but he is going to milk it all the way for the bucks?

by alabama52 Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:21 am

My morning thoughts take me to Shellie. Is she furious with George because he is letting her take the fall? Will she turn on him at some point? Afterall, I bet she is privy to exactly what happened. I know she referred to him as 'everyone's' hero in the jail tape but she may be reconsidering not keeping that farce up. If I were Shellie's mother, would I be using every breath I have to try to talk some sense into her? I most definitely would!!!
If I were O'Mara, I would be bending over backwards for Shellie & keep one eye open at all times. She might just want to strike some kind of deal with the state to get herself off the hook.
Is that only wishful thinking???

by Marica Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:37 am

I am having a hard time understanding what is meant by GZ
having the weapon upside down. Could someone please explain?

Don't most LEO holster their weapon opposite
of the hand they use to draw it with?
If so, then the weapon is holstered with the
butt facing froward.. right?

Sorry I am just not making sense of this.

by WeeBonnie Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:51 am

BDLR's "Firey closing at bond hearing.

This is where Cher picked up that the defense is NOT going to enter GZs statements into evidence, forcing GZ to testify or have no testimony. Also, he clearly states there are witnesses - plural- to a chase occurring. Some GZ believers are stating it must be a bluff- bit they have a boatload of excuses.

So... Is this one of the witness statements we haven't seen yet?
Perhaps the FBI talked with people that the SPD missed?

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/bernie_de_la_rionda_george_zimmerman_bond_hearing_trayvon_martin.php?m=1

by ellejay Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:30 am

WeeBonnie wrote:BDLR's "Firey" closing at bond hearing.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/bernie_de_la_rionda_george_zimmerman_bond_hearing_trayvon_martin.php?m=1

--thanks for this "bonnie"..

--it amazes me that george just sits there w/ no reaction whatsoever while bernie calls him out as a liar, both in his inconsistant stmts to LE as well as the hide and seek of the $$$$$'s.

by alabama52 Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:36 am

Yeah, do you know what George's mannerism reminds me of? I kept thinking of the interrogation of a soldier...looking erect & straight ahead and not reacting to any questioning. I guess George really does consider himself a hero......ridding the world of another thug.

by WeeBonnie Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:48 am

No... Thank YOU Ellejay for all the links you share. I know we all appreciate it.
I didn't have the patience to wade through the whole hearing so it was great to get a few encouraging highlights in a short clip like that!

ellejay wrote:
WeeBonnie wrote:BDLR's "Firey" closing at bond hearing.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/06/bernie_de_la_rionda_george_zimmerman_bond_hearing_trayvon_martin.php?m=1

--thanks for this "bonnie"..

--it amazes me that george just sits there w/ no reaction whatsoever while bernie calls him out as a liar, both in his inconsistant stmts to LE as well as the hide and seek of the $$$$$'s.

by Gizmo711 Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:17 am

Marica wrote:I am having a hard time understanding what is meant by GZ
having the weapon upside down. Could someone please explain?

Don't most LEO holster their weapon opposite
of the hand they use to draw it with?
If so, then the weapon is holstered with the
butt facing froward.. right?

Sorry I am just not making sense of this.

You will have to watch the video that Ellejay posted. The gun holster is for a left handed person, if Zimmerman were to draw his gun under normal circumstances he would reach over to the right side with his left hand and pull the gun out. However, on Zimmerman's reinactment of the incident he claims that Trayvon reached for his gun and that he squeezes Trayvons hand with his right arm, while bringing up his right hand to get his gun. Doing it that way would have brought the gun drawn in an upsidedown position.

It could not have possibly happened the way that Zimmerman is saying. Zimmerman would have had to have had the gun already in his hand or drew it while he was on the ground.

by ellejay Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:28 am

CherokeeNative wrote:I want one of the pro-GZ commenters (donors), someone, anyone, to explain to me how Trayvon managed to punch GZ in the face or nose multiple times, bash his head on concrete edge until it felt like it was going to explode, and yet, Trayvon's hands were immaculate with the exception of a 1/8" abrasion to a finger on his left hand. Trayvon is right handed by the way. There is no blood, no bruises, scratches or other damage to his hands, or the right hand specifically. Nor is the any mucus, saliva, or other DNA on Trayvon's hands from putting his hands over GZ's mouth and nose…even though that same nose was broken and supposedly bleeding. The photos show GZ's bleeding head, yet Trayvon had no blood or DNA on him. How does someone beat you in the face at least 12 times and hold your head and bash it into concrete at least 35 times, and you have no damage to your face and no concussion? How does your assailant not have any of your blood or DNA on them?

From looking at the forensic evidence, there is no evidence that a fist-fight or anything close to the beating such as described by GZ ever occurred. Does anyone have a logical reason on how that could occur? It leads me to believe that the entire scenario is fabricated. There is no evidence to substantiate that GZ's injuries were caused by Trayvon. It is without doubt that Zimmerman had injuries to the back of his head and his face. The questions are still to be answered as to how he actually received the injuries. The condition of Trayvon's hands is not consistent with applying even one punch to the nose that would cause the injury. The lack of any DNA from skin cells or blood from contact with GZ's face is very powerful evidence.

GZ claims his face was bloody and he had blood in his eyes. I still hold to the theory that Zimmerman incurred injuries to the back of head in the tussle on the ground or the sidewalk and received the injuries to his face and nose when he held the gun with one hand too close to his face and pulled the trigger. I think the undisputed blood evidence, the lack of defensive wounds on Zimmerman, the lack of offense wounds to Trayvon, the timing of what was heard on the 911 tapes and the autopsy of the direct shot into the body will be the evidence that proves Zimmerman's account of what occurred that evening is contrived.

GZ claims in his reenactment that after he shot Trayvon, he jumped on top of Trayvon and moved Trayvon's arms apart from his sides because he believed he had something in his hands. These are the same hands that GZ claims Trayvon was beating him with, the same hands that was trying to smother him by covering his mouth and nose, and pounding his head into the ground and was reaching for his gun. How did Trayvon managed to do all of that if he had something in his hands? And if he spread his hands out, how did his hands end up under his body when the first responder arrived? And how does someone bashed someone's shaved, rain slick bald head into the concrete without grabbing his ears or reaching under his head with his hands and fingers? How could there be something in Trayvon's hands, and how could there be no DNA at all on TM's hands or arms? This is just way beyond the bounds of credibility.

Another thing, how could Trayvon see GZ's gun in his waist holster while he was sitting on top of GZ, choking and smothering him? And what in the hell was GZ doing the whole time that Trayvon was punching, bashing, and smothering? Was he being a potted plant? Why wasn't he trying to defend himself? In fact, it is obvious that GZ made no attempt to defend himself other than to immediately start reaching for his gun - but GZ does not claim that - he claims he forgot he had the gun until Trayvon noticed it with his x-ray eyes.

There are so many discrepancies between the evidence and GZ's multiple stories. But most importantly, if Trayvon attacked GZ at the T, how in the heck does Trayvon's body end up some 60' south of the T? Are we to believe that Trayvon punched GZ so hard as to catapult GZ 60' whereupon Trayvon pounced upon him? Because that is how GZ describes it. He states that Trayvon punched him, he fell, and Trayvon got on top of him and began punching him in the face.

In the video reenactment, you see GZ hesitate when retelling what happened and he looks farther down the walk/grass area - at this point he appears to realize at that point that the actual shooting wasn't near the T and he pretends to stumble about 10'. This realization throws off his momentum in telling his story and he becomes a little flustered. But he keeps on with his story anyway hoping no one has noticed apparently. Yet, he never explains why Trayvon's body is still some 50' further down where the shooting occurred. Oh, by the way - where are the bushes that Trayvon jumped out of? And, when the hell did walking in the rain become a suspicious activity?

GZ thought he was a hero on February 26th. He was big man on campus who had finally managed to make sure that one more "asshole didn't get away." So proud of himself was he that he waived his right to an attorney when being questioned by LE - heck, he was practically one of them, what did he need and attorney for? He gladly gave his written statement telling how he had no choice but to shoot the "suspect." And having studied the SYG statute inside and out and misinterpreted it...which is why he uttered those words, "I was in fear of my life" - which got the self-defense angle started.

So here we are, numerous GZ statements later, a reenactment video starring none other than GZ himself, comparison of the 911 call, ME report, and autopsy, the investigators have been able to determine that nothing about GZ's story jives…. Trayvon's body lay in the direction towards home and all of the physical evidence points to the fact that Trayvon was trying to get away from GZ, but GZ pursued him, angry and filled with rage that this punk teen was going to get away - and he point-blank killed Trayvon because he never believed he would be arrested once he invoked the term "I was in fear for my life."

We may never know exactly what type of exchange really occurred. As I have always maintained, I believe GZ had his gun in hand, and went about "clearing the scene" looking for his "perp", determined that his "suspect" was not going to get away this time.

This is only a small description of the many discrepancies in GZ's stories and there is nothing close to selling the idea that it was ever in self-defense except on behalf of Trayvon.

--brilliant post Cher!

"There are so many discrepancies between the evidence and GZ's multiple stories."

--yep.

--it's george's OWN words that are going to do him in, he couldn't even keep his own 'story' straight for a couple of days in the initial interviews/and reenactment. i can't imagine what he came up w/ when bernieDL interviewed him, hopefully we get to see that one sometime soon.

by Puzzler Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:29 am

If as it appears that GZ has the holster to the back of his right side - could GZ's arm reach that far across and aroud to his back?

by Chickenbutt Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:41 am

Been sitting here thinking about the gun/holster position. If I were the pros, during the trial, I would get one of the hard plastic, orange gun simulators that cadets use at the police academy, and GZ's holster, have him put it on and show how he drew the gun. That would be a slam dunk and funny as hell to watch.

by Chickenbutt Sun Jul 01, 2012 10:44 am

Prosecutors, please be reading here! Maybe someone here can find a left handed holster and a gun simulation device and make a video reminiscent (sp?) of Val's "t shirt video" in the Zahau case. Remember that?

by WeeBonnie Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:02 am

I was looking at the least disturbing pro Zim site and boy do they edit or delete comments to suit their narrative.

But they leave comments up like GZ couldn't "tug on MOMs sleeve" to stop Shellie lying because he was wearing shackles!
And on the no blood on Trayvons hands - there was some on the sleeve- and kids wear their sleeves down over their hands.
Wow sleeves are the new Zanny!

by ellejay Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:03 am

--some exceptional work done here on various aspects of the case.

http://www.evidencetrail.net/3-the-shell-casing-and-the-body.html
The Crime Scene Evidence Trail

by ellejay Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:07 am

--another blog w/ a ton of info and analysis!

http://zimmermanscall.blogspot.ca/
--Intro--The Call--The Walk--The Struggle--Spec--Problems--Maps--Etc.

--i almost want to print off the pages and send them to george for some excellent light reading at bedtime!

by CherokeeNative Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:38 am

George waived his right to an attorney during the LE interrogations and reenactment because he was enjoying the attention. It put him right in the mix of the investigation as if he was one of them. The only thing he was lacking was the lanyard with a badge hanging from it. Based upon his earlier dealings with LE, he was sure he had them on his side - in fact Serino kept telling him he was the good guy. Besides cooperating with LE gave the impression that he was telling the truth and had nothing to hide. What truly amazes me is GZ apparent naivety in LE investigations to such an extent that he doesn't contemplate that LE will compare his numerous stories and reenactment with the 911 tape and forensic evidence. Just the example of how he drew his gun with his right arm as Trayvon was supposedly going for it, demonstrates his stupidity. That he would not have the sophistication to consider the extent of Trayvon's injuries caused by a hollow-point bullet ripping through his chest so he proceeds to tell a grandiose story of how Trayvon continues to talk, sit up, and still talk more makes me believe that he has been watching way too much t.v. Obviously, GZ's continued elaboration as to the what occurred that night on matters that would bolster his self-defense claim, but completely unable to remember instances that might show he was pursuing GZ are going to be GZ's demise before a jury. George never carried the progress of the altercation between him and Trayvon to its final location. He knew at that point in time that to do so would reveal the fact that he pursued Trayvon at least fifty feet beyond that "T" intersection. He offered no explanation whatsoever for why Trayvon's body was so far south and in the direction of where he was staying.

I also have to object to the assertion made by some that is perfectly reasonable for GZ not to remember the names of the three streets that make up his community after living there for three years and being the NW Captain where he made nightly patrols with his Rottweiler. In fact, every time GZ entered and exited the development, he was met with a stop sign that clearly showed the names of those streets. And just how did GZ direct LE into the community during all of those other calls to report "suspicious" people within the development? Nope, this is another B.S. excuse made up by GZ for having exited his vehicle that night to pursue Trayvon. Here's a question to ponder: During one of his video interviews, he is trying to make it sound as if the only reason he got out of his truck was to give dispatch an exact address because they were insisting on him giving them an exact address, he repeats this a few times. But then when he is specifically asked, are you following him, he answers, "yes." Now, if you were only getting out of your truck to look for an address and you were asked if you were following someone and you really weren't, wouldn't you respond by saying, "no, I'm looking for an exact address to give to you"?

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I don't believe any of us expected it to be as clear as it is, and we still have much more evidence to see. IMO, there is no way for anyone to "explain it away" as MOM likes to say he intends to do. We have videos, audio recordings, and written statements from George that eliminate any doubt. He is a liar and he has no respect for the legal system. In his demented mind, he was acting out his fantasy of being part of law enforcement - "Did YOU ever HAVE to shoot someone," GZ said to Singleton as if they were just two cops chatting. There is no doubt in my mind that Murder2 was the correct charge - none whatsoever.

by serenaz1 Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:39 am

G'morning all! :)

I posted this earlier with pictures of both sides of the holster, does seeing the other side change it? I like Papa's method of super-imposing it to help visualize it, good idea.

Also, another thought I just had; why didn't George inform the dispatcher that he was armed? He wanted to meet the officers and I would think they'd like to know that. He's sitting in his truck, supposedly afraid, then chases after TM because he has his balls strapped on his hip. If the dispatcher had been aware, I think he would have given Barney Fife an order to keep his ass in his truck.

I'm still bugged he wasn't asked for ID either, if his wallet wasn't in his truck, that would blow his Target story out of the water.

eta: THANKS CN for your excellent post!

serenaz1 wrote:
ellejay wrote:--excellent video today from 'LLMPapa'---love the part where george pretty much reenacts pulling his gun and shooting-------w/ it upside down...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIi3YlWBw7w
Zimmerman's R/H Tale In A L/H World

Published on Jun 30, 2012 by LLMPapa

That was a good idea by Papa, I'm not good at visualizing things at all. But, the belt clip is on the other side of the holster, would that then change it to put the gun in the right position?

by serenaz1 Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:48 am

alabama52 wrote:My morning thoughts take me to Shellie. Is she furious with George because he is letting her take the fall? Will she turn on him at some point? Afterall, I bet she is privy to exactly what happened. I know she referred to him as 'everyone's' hero in the jail tape but she may be reconsidering not keeping that farce up. If I were Shellie's mother, would I be using every breath I have to try to talk some sense into her? I most definitely would!!!
If I were O'Mara, I would be bending over backwards for Shellie & keep one eye open at all times. She might just want to strike some kind of deal with the state to get herself off the hook.
Is that only wishful thinking???

OMG, I would be doing the Snoopy happy dance forever more if she flipped to save her own ass!

by Chickenbutt Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:49 am

OK...I am officially crazy (hush Porky!). I made a "left holster" out of a piece of paper, taped it to my right side and added an ice cream scoop as a gun...lol
In front of hubby (who btw agrees with Porky) I "drew" the ice cream scoop a bunch of times. No way did that scoop come out right side up. And no, I will not, under any circumstances, post my re enactments. Laughing

I may be crazy, but I am not that crazy.

by CherokeeNative Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:55 am

ellejay wrote:--some exceptional work done here on various aspects of the case.

http://www.evidencetrail.net/3-the-shell-casing-and-the-body.html
The Crime Scene Evidence Trail

Wow Ellejay - thank you - that is some compelling work. I have not taken into consideration that Trayvon may have been standing when shot by GZ. It makes complete sense. The ME's report that the bullet when straight "front to back" with no angle certainly makes it hard to believe that GZ was in a prone position with Trayvon on top of him when he pulled the trigger. Do you have any idea how this changes everything as far as working out how this occurred? OMG - I will be spending hours delving over this new concept...yikes. LOL

by CherokeeNative Sun Jul 01, 2012 11:59 am

Chickenbutt wrote:OK...I am officially crazy (hush Porky!). I made a "left holster" out of a piece of paper, taped it to my right side and added an ice cream scoop as a gun...lol
In front of hubby (who btw agrees with Porky) I "drew" the ice cream scoop a bunch of times. No way did that scoop come out right side up. And no, I will not, under any circumstances, post my re enactments. I may be crazy, but I am not that crazy.

Cb - I can't resist - May I ask WHY an ice cream scoop of all tools? roflao

by CherokeeNative Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:14 pm

Okay, just a quick scenario using the shot while standing theory - that goes with where GZ says he went to get his cell phone and Trayvon punched him...actually, GZ was going for his gun and Trayvon saw that and punched him...GZ chases him down and shoots him..pretty simple...but it's not. My point being that I truly believe every lying defendant uses parts of what actually occurred mixed in with his/her fabrication - so I believe the part where GZ says he was going for his cell phone is really him going for his gun...and not by the T...but actually further down.

by serenaz1 Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:32 pm

Didn't someone post awhile back that most left-handed people draw a gun with their right hand, rather than 'cross drawing'?

The issue of the gun causing Z's injuries is also interesting, especially since it appears there's a straight kind of cut near the bridge of his nose. That would fit with the shape of the part of the gun that moves (can't think of the dang name!). There would also be some 'kick-back' to consider too.

Now I'm off to read those other links, thanks for posting them!

by Alessandra_Deux Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:41 pm

"In Zimmerman’s account, Martin was sitting on top of him, punching him and suddenly Martin saw the gun and reached for it and the two struggled over it. How would Martin have seen the gun if it was in the holster on Zimmerman’s waist. Wouldn’t he have been sitting at or above the waist in order to punch Zimmerman’s face? "And how would Zimmerman have pulled his gun out in this position?

Another problem with this story is that the autopsy showed that the trajectory bullet went front to back in a straight line. How would Zimmerman have been able to do this with Martin sitting on top of him like this?

George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #5 - Page 4 Tmbody3

George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #5 - Page 4 Tmbody3

How would the man on the bottom manage a straight, front-to-back shot from that angle? Wouldn’t it make more sense if they had been standing at the time of the gunshot?"

http://skydancingblog.com/2012/05/22/tuesday-reads-61/

by serenaz1 Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:43 pm

This is the phone of a thug?

George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #5 - Page 4 Trayvo10

by serenaz1 Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:51 pm

I wish the cops would've made him do his re-enactment at the scene while playing his 911 call, rather than just an interview about the call.

I'd also have brought someone of TM's height and made him show how TM was on him; immobilizing his arms & legs, smothering him, bashing his head numerous times, beating him about the face and then how they both went for the gun, how Z was able to get it & show me what position T was in when he was killed.

by ellejay Sun Jul 01, 2012 12:59 pm

--omara and bernieDL closing arguments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf450_v2Rxw&feature=player_embedded#
George Zimmerman's Bail Hearing Closing Arguments 06/29/12

by ellejay Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:07 pm

Alessandra_Deux wrote:"In Zimmerman’s account, Martin was sitting on top of him, punching him and suddenly Martin saw the gun and reached for it and the two struggled over it. How would Martin have seen the gun if it was in the holster on Zimmerman’s waist. Wouldn’t he have been sitting at or above the waist in order to punch Zimmerman’s face? "And how would Zimmerman have pulled his gun out in this position?

Another problem with this story is that the autopsy showed that the trajectory bullet went front to back in a straight line. How would Zimmerman have been able to do this with Martin sitting on top of him like this?

How would the man on the bottom manage a straight, front-to-back shot from that angle? Wouldn’t it make more sense if they had been standing at the time of the gunshot?"

http://skydancingblog.com/2012/05/22/tuesday-reads-61/

--and how would the guy who just had his heart blown away then 'sit up', say "you got me, or you got it.."then say "oww, oww, or ohh, ohh"---and then proceed to "cuss at george"...??

--give your head a shake george---seriously.

by CherokeeNative Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:09 pm

ellejay wrote:
--omara and bernieDL closing arguments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf450_v2Rxw&feature=player_embedded#
George Zimmerman's Bail Hearing Closing Arguments 06/29/12

Thank you Ellejay - I was just getting ready to provide this link. Go to 2:40 and that is where BDLR states that none of the Defendant's inconsistent statements or video reenactment is admissible at trial or SYG motion unless the prosecution submits it.

by serenaz1 Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:27 pm

Dang, that article showing the angles is really interesting! Even with the witnesses that saw them together on the ground, they saw a moment, then a lot of them moved to change their view or call. Wasn't there one who said they only saw one person on the ground at some point? Since some of their stories have changed, I'm getting them mixed up.

I want to see this ALL mapped out in a timeline, with all call times from phone recs, where witnesses were when they saw things compared to the forensics, physics & logic.

I'm ready for the trial to start NOW! How in the hell are we going to wait for months & months on this thing?!?

by ellejay Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:34 pm

CherokeeNative wrote:---snipped--

I don't believe any of us expected it to be as clear as it is, and we still have much more evidence to see. IMO, there is no way for anyone to "explain it away" as MOM likes to say he intends to do. We have videos, audio recordings, and written statements from George that eliminate any doubt. He is a liar and he has no respect for the legal system. In his demented mind, he was acting out his fantasy of being part of law enforcement - "Did YOU ever HAVE to shoot someone," GZ said to Singleton as if they were just two cops chatting. There is no doubt in my mind that Murder2 was the correct charge - none whatsoever.

--i was at one time wavering between M2 and manslaughter----however, when the evidence began to come out (and we have more! to come..) i am completely on board w/ the state's decision to charge george w/ M2.

--george was not "going to get an address" for LE, he was not "going back to his truck" to wait for LE----he "WAS" LE and he, as serino put it, he "wanted to catch the bad guy".

--he followed him, he tracked him, he pursued him and he found him----and then he SHOT him.

by ellejay Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:39 pm

serenaz1 wrote:
I'm ready for the trial to start NOW! How in the hell are we going to wait for months & months on this thing?!?

---it'll be a little easier to wait it out, if judgeL denies bond!and george has to wait out those months and months in his teeny jail cell.

by Chickenbutt Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:56 pm

CherokeeNative wrote:
Chickenbutt wrote:OK...I am officially crazy (hush Porky!). I made a "left holster" out of a piece of paper, taped it to my right side and added an ice cream scoop as a gun...lol
In front of hubby (who btw agrees with Porky) I "drew" the ice cream scoop a bunch of times. No way did that scoop come out right side up. And no, I will not, under any circumstances, post my re enactments. I may be crazy, but I am not that crazy.

Cb - I can't resist - May I ask WHY an ice cream scoop of all tools?

Cuz the scoop even has a "trigger".....lol

by ellejay Sun Jul 01, 2012 1:58 pm

--full bond hearing June 29/2012
--media motions (witness #9 and jail phone calls..) up 1st
--bond motion begins @ approx. 11:20
--closing arguments begin @ approx. 2:00:00.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjX0bQR5INg&feature=youtu.be
6/29 Bond Hearing, Audio Only, Missed a bit at the beginning
posted by DiwataMan2

by alabama52 Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:01 pm

ellejay wrote:
serenaz1 wrote:
I'm ready for the trial to start NOW! How in the hell are we going to wait for months & months on this thing?!?

---it'll be a little easier to wait it out, if judgeL denies bond!and george has to wait out those months and months in his teeny jail cell.

With Shellie, George's bride, in a cell in another area. If Shellie is reading here, she may want to consider spilling her guts. Jail is no place to spend any amount of time, I'm sure.

by serenaz1 Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:06 pm

ellejay wrote:
serenaz1 wrote:
I'm ready for the trial to start NOW! How in the hell are we going to wait for months & months on this thing?!?

---it'll be a little easier to wait it out, if judgeL denies bond!and george has to wait out those months and months in his teeny jail cell.

I will be so happy if he stays incarcerated!

by serenaz1 Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:08 pm

Chickenbutt wrote:
CherokeeNative wrote:

Cb - I can't resist - May I ask WHY an ice cream scoop of all tools?

Cuz the scoop even has a "trigger".....lol

George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #5 - Page 4 88030

that's so funny!

by alabama52 Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:28 pm

Chickenbutt, tooo funny!

I asked my husband if he would let me slam his bald head against the pavement 2-3 times but it was a no.

by ellejay Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:39 pm

--as judgeL wades through all that was presented at the hearing in making his decision----( the financial guy, george's injuries, probation officer ("george has been a good boy") his dad alledging that yep, the screams for help! sound just like george (back in the day when he was a kid/teen in virginia..)..

--the main deal when the state filed their motion to revoke bond, was the LIES told about the $$$$'s. they have them on tape plotting ( in sneaky "code" no less) the switcharoos w/ the $$$'s, shellie flat out lied about their finances, and george just sat there saying nothing.

--so, who cares-- (not i!)-- if "the money has all been accounted for"? or that george told omara about it days LATER, and it's now in the safety of the defense fund trust account?

--judgeL has to remember the LYING part --to the point where shellie has been charged w/ perjury--and factor that "he does not properly respect the law or the judicial process" IN once again when ruling on whether to grant bond.

--and not just gloss over that "mis-step" , like omara would like us to.

by Calypso Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:41 pm

Alessandra_Deux wrote:"In Zimmerman’s account, Martin was sitting on top of him, punching him and suddenly Martin saw the gun and reached for it and the two struggled over it. How would Martin have seen the gun if it was in the holster on Zimmerman’s waist. Wouldn’t he have been sitting at or above the waist in order to punch Zimmerman’s face? "And how would Zimmerman have pulled his gun out in this position?

Another problem with this story is that the autopsy showed that the trajectory bullet went front to back in a straight line. How would Zimmerman have been able to do this with Martin sitting on top of him like this?

How would the man on the bottom manage a straight, front-to-back shot from that angle? Wouldn’t it make more sense if they had been standing at the time of the gunshot?"

http://skydancingblog.com/2012/05/22/tuesday-reads-61/

Wouldn't the trajectory angle of the bullet move more in a straight line if the person on top (A) was leaning in closer to bottom person (B) as in the position of grabbing (B's) head and slamming it into the ground?

Also, looking at the holster and belt clip, there is velcro facing the actual clip. Do we know what kind of belt GZ was wearing, as some of these holsters are designed to not slide/move if worn with a velcro belt.

by Chickenbutt Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:45 pm

Alabama...now you are making me laugh.....almost spit coffee all over the floor. After your post I ask hubby if he would let me..he declined. But I did get him to lie on the ground when he found out I was going to sit on top of him! I was looking at gunshot trajectory....he was looking at....well lets just say it wasn't trajectory..... Shocked

by Alessandra_Deux Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:48 pm

Calypso wrote:
Alessandra_Deux wrote:"In Zimmerman’s account, Martin was sitting on top of him, punching him and suddenly Martin saw the gun and reached for it and the two struggled over it. How would Martin have seen the gun if it was in the holster on Zimmerman’s waist. Wouldn’t he have been sitting at or above the waist in order to punch Zimmerman’s face? "And how would Zimmerman have pulled his gun out in this position?

Another problem with this story is that the autopsy showed that the trajectory bullet went front to back in a straight line. How would Zimmerman have been able to do this with Martin sitting on top of him like this?

How would the man on the bottom manage a straight, front-to-back shot from that angle? Wouldn’t it make more sense if they had been standing at the time of the gunshot?"

http://skydancingblog.com/2012/05/22/tuesday-reads-61/

Wouldn't the trajectory angle of the bullet move more in a straight line if the person on top (A) was leaning in closer to bottom person (B) as in the position of grabbing (B's) head and slamming it into the ground?

Also, looking at the holster and belt clip, there is velcro facing the actual clip. Do we know what kind of belt GZ was wearing, as some of these holsters are designed to not slide/move if worn with a velcro belt.

The person would have to be in an horizontal position on top of the other for the trayectory of the bullet to be straight from front to back.

by ellejay Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:51 pm

--i hadn't checked in on "GZLegalCase" before the hearing friday-----i see they were giving a little shout out to their supporters, getting them pumped up the day prior.

George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #5 - Page 4 Gzshowsupport

George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #5 - Page 4 Gzshowsupport

--"show your support for george"----$$$$$how it in what way may i ask?

by Calypso Sun Jul 01, 2012 2:53 pm

Is there an autopsy picture that shows the trajectory?

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