Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #22

Ann - Tx wrote:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/05/20/tricias-true-crime-radio-sunday-night-8-pm-eastern
Blog Talk Radio - Tricia's True Crime Radio -- Sun, May 19, 2013

Travis Alexander's friends Skye and Chris Hughes along with Katiecoolady will discuss the the end of the Jodie Arias trial. Sunday May 19th 8 pm Eastern.

8 pm EDT/ 7 pm CDT

Ann-
You did it to me again! By now, you would think I would learn. I don't...
Spent over half an hour trying to get the link to load before I realized... it was still Saturday!

It is hard being me sometimes. Most times...

Mylife101 wrote:Just wondering...

Seems to me that Jodi might really want to receive the DP. Not because she actually wants the "ultimate freedom" as she stated. No, I don't think she wants to die. Jodi doesn't believe a DP sentence will ever result in her death. She wants an all expense paid appeal process and a new defense team that is appointed and forced to do her bidding. JA still believes she can beat this rap if given a second try. Low self-esteem...yeah, right!

Her motivation... automatic taxpayer paid appeals process, lots and lots of paid for appeals.

JA knows the donations from the JAII wacko's will dry up and will never be enough $$ to pay for her own appeal process if she gets LWOP, dontchaknow. Her family can't/wont pay big bucks for attorneys to appeal a LWOP outcome. Heck, if she gets LWOP and has to find and pay her own attorney to appeal the verdict, she will be hard pressed to find an attorney that will take her case at any price. Yes, in Jodi's mind, LWOP is quite possibly the worst outcome for her... but, not for the reasons she stated in her interview.

Just sharing my thoughts...

I agree. From a financial point of view, I would choose LWOP because DP means 1 or 2m$ more to reach LWOP in 10 or 20 years or even less.

JA is keenly aware of every body move, every gesture she makes. When she "innocently" runs her finger across he throat after listening to Martinez, the judge, or witnesses testify, she is FULLY aware of her body posturing. That is one thing JA is in full and knowing control of, IMO.

Morning to you, Olivier!

"Freedom is just another word..."

Excellent listen.
Julie & Eric Christopher, Attorney Mark Eiglarsh

70 minutes
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/nwcave/2013/05/18/jodi-arias

Freckles wrote:Morning to you, Olivier!

"Freedom is just another word..."

Hello Freckles !

Quote for JA...
“Better to die fighting for freedom then be a prisoner all the days of your life.”
― Bob Marley

Freckles wrote:JA is keenly aware of every body move, every gesture she makes. When she "innocently" runs her finger across he throat after listening to Martinez, the judge, or witnesses testify, she is FULLY aware of her body posturing. That is one thing JA is in full and knowing control of, IMO.

Yes, since the very beginning, I think she is quite smart and, of course, she has nothing else to do to think about her and how to twist the Law. That gives her much time !

A new post from the EggTreeNews Blog

Call Off That Execution. Stabby Can Paint by Numbers
Posted May 18, 2013 by eggtreenews

http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2013/05/18/call-off-that-execution-stabby-can-paint-by-numbers/

Freckles wrote:

Ann - Tx wrote:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/05/20/tricias-true-crime-radio-sunday-night-8-pm-eastern
Blog Talk Radio - Tricia's True Crime Radio -- Sun, May 19, 2013

Travis Alexander's friends Skye and Chris Hughes along with Katiecoolady will discuss the the end of the Jodie Arias trial. Sunday May 19th 8 pm Eastern.

8 pm EDT/ 7 pm CDT

Ann-
You did it to me again! By now, you would think I would learn. I don't...
Spent over half an hour trying to get the link to load before I realized... it was still Saturday!

It is hard being me sometimes. Most times...

Aahhh, Freckles . . . I am sorry. I even put the date in bold red.

I've done what you did before though. . . tried to load a Sunday show on Saturday. lol

Mylife101 wrote:A new post from the EggTreeNews Blog

Call Off That Execution. Stabby Can Paint by Numbers
Posted May 18, 2013 by eggtreenews

http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2013/05/18/call-off-that-execution-stabby-can-paint-by-numbers/

I am going to put her link in the smoking room. She is good, very good, with the humor and use of words...

lol at the part where Nurmi puts gift bags filled with tootsie pops and pop rocks on the juror's seats. hahahahah

Well, folks, tomorrow is Monday. JA has had lots of time to screw up the works; she won't go down quietly, that's for sure. Every delay for her is good news, however, like eggtree said, it's just gonna tick off the jury!

Let's get this done. You are done, JAA.

Ann - Tx wrote:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/websleuths/2013/05/20/tricias-true-crime-radio-sunday-night-8-pm-eastern
Blog Talk Radio - Tricia's True Crime Radio -- Sun, May 19, 2013

Travis Alexander's friends Skye and Chris Hughes along with Katiecoolady will discuss the the end of the Jodie Arias trial. Sunday May 19th 8 pm Eastern.

8 pm EDT/ 7 pm CDT

Bumping! Show time about an hour from now!

Exclusive: Kirk Nurmi visits Jodi in jail

By AJ Willingham
updated 5:43 PM EDT, Fri May 17, 2013

•Defense attorney Kirk Nurmi leaves the Estrella Jail
•Arias will address the jury when the penalty phase of her trial continues Monday. Watch it live on HLN.



Jodi Arias defense attorney Kirk Nurmi was seen leaving the Estrella Jail on Friday after visiting his client.

After being found guilty of first-degree murder in the death of her ex-boyfriend Travis Alexander, Arias is expected to speak when the death penalty phase of the trial resumes on Monday.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/05/17/nurmi-visit-jodi-jail?clusterId=1303#videoplayer

Freckles wrote:

Mylife101 wrote:A new post from the EggTreeNews Blog

Call Off That Execution. Stabby Can Paint by Numbers
Posted May 18, 2013 by eggtreenews

http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2013/05/18/call-off-that-execution-stabby-can-paint-by-numbers/

I am going to put her link in the smoking room. She is good, very good, with the humor and use of words...

Thanks Freckles! That Eggtree is B-R-I-L-L-I-A-N-T! Always reminding us how genuinely absurd this demon and her antics are! Woo-hoo!

Much love to you Freck! Thanks for all you do- givin' us sooo much juicy nougat to chew on

Mylife101 wrote:Just wondering...

Seems to me that Jodi might really want to receive the DP. Not because she actually wants the "ultimate freedom" as she stated. No, I don't think she wants to die. Jodi doesn't believe a DP sentence will ever result in her death. She wants an all expense paid appeal process and a new defense team that is appointed and forced to do her bidding. JA still believes she can beat this rap if given a second try. Low self-esteem...yeah, right!

Her motivation... automatic taxpayer paid appeals process, lots and lots of paid for appeals.

JA knows the donations from the JAII wacko's will dry up and will never be enough $$ to pay for her own appeal process if she gets LWOP, dontchaknow. Her family can't/wont pay big bucks for attorneys to appeal a LWOP outcome. Heck, if she gets LWOP and has to find and pay her own attorney to appeal the verdict, she will be hard pressed to find an attorney that will take her case at any price. Yes, in Jodi's mind, LWOP is quite possibly the worst outcome for her... but, not for the reasons she stated in her interview.

Just sharing my thoughts...

Mylife: you are blowing my mind

I can't stop thinkin' 'bout this; I've always wished someone could break down the real-life consequences of the lwop vs. dp. The focus of the debate always seems to center 'round the right/wrong morality of imposing dp, not all the practical concerns about all the intended and unintended consequences of the punishments.

So THANK YOU MyLife!!! My brain is spinning (okok, like always ) but your thoughts here give us another interesting aspect to consider. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...Interesting...Very interesting....

Just want the sick-o to live with the just consequences of her savage choices. And keep her away from other humans- mentally and emotionally, as well as physically. She just seems to live to jerk the world around. Aiyiyi...

Justice for Travis and the Alexander family...

If we get news of a verdict it will be death. Death or a hung jury. No way all 12 will agree to give her life.


See you all in the morning.

Dont they just need 7 out 5 for death or LWOP? Or do they need 12 out of 12?

Look at DB's hands and fingers here @35:00!
Tell me those are not the fingers in the peen pics!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk5QUH9Dmuo&feature=player_embedded

Wish I had the peen pics to post with this video.

*** @40:35
DB said the Mormon missionaries started "showing up" BEFORE the Las Vegas PPL convention. Sex w/ JA had already been put on hold PRIOR to the LV convention; actually, it was put on hold as soon as DB announced he was moving back to Monterrey to be close to his son (and his ex- wife...) . IMO, JA took sex out of the equation as soon as DB announced he was NOT going to be marrying JA, was moving to be closer to his his son and his ex- ... So it was NOT because of Travis JA ended the sex with DB; it was NOT because of Travis JA had an interest in the Mormon faith; it was NOT because of Travis JA joined PPL.... in the SPRING of 2006! After all, JA met Travis in the FALL of 2006. Missionaries had been coming to the home in the SPRING of 2006; JA joined PPL in SPRING of 2006--- NOT because Travis had encouraged her!!! (JA stopped making payments on the home she and DB bought together when DB moved DESPITE DB continuing to pay his half of the mortgage. She threw it all away so she would be a helpless feline in need of a room and board, readying to move in with the next smuck. )

Wow. The lies are thicker than flies on a cow dung heap.
JA is the orchestra conductor of the lies and Nurma only brings them forth on her behalf!!!

The question has come up as to why JA had sex with Travis:
IMO, Travis was NOT expecting JA. Nothing in phone text or emails or even phone calls to suggest he was aware and monitoring her very long drive. She let herself in using the garage security code according to testimony she gave. Travis was a night owl. I dunno if he was awake at that time or not. IMO, JA "discovered" Travis roomie was at home so she had to delay murdering Travis. She could not have sex with him due to the roomie being there and she could not murder him. So she talked with Travis trying to convince him to take her back in a bf/gf relationship. He would not budge. They went to sleep. Travis DID answer the phone shortly after noon re a phone conference scheduled for that evening. JA, however, said they BOTH slept until shortly after one PM when they had this sposed sex.

With the roomies gone, JA proceeded to murder Travis. The delay in waiting for the roomies to be gone made her trip to Utah run much later than she had anticipated; JA created the lies of getting lost as people started calling to see if she was "safe" on her trip.


The ninja story:
To keep her lies straight, JA has to have her pattern, her "matrix". The ninja story : JA said there was a male and a female (this would be Travis and JA); she said the two ninjas argued (this would be Travis and JA); she said the one had the knife and the other the gun (she is telling you in advance she plans to put the gun in Travis' hand/control while she, the female, has the knife); she said the gun was held to her head and failed to fire (she is telling of SHE putting the gun to Travis' head and the gun only firing the once); JA said Travis fell in the hallway (this would be the blood smear indicating Travis had fallen and slid off the wall); JA said Travis said he couldn't feel his legs (IMO, this is when JA kicked his legs to make sure he could not ambulate); JA said Travis told her to run and get help from a neighbor (IMO, Travis indicated he was trying to get to a telephone for help).

JA has repeatedly stated Travis called her names and threatened to kill her. Well, someone pointing a knife/gun at you,YOU don't usually threaten to kill THEM.
IMO, everything JA is saying here is what SHE actually said to Travis. SHE called him names and told him SHE was going to kill HIM.

And she did.

JMO in trying to work her stories thru.

WHY did JA kill Travis?

Look at the last email exchanges and incorporate the taped words of Julie Christy (?), the intuitive who said she had met BOTH JA and Travis JUST 14 days BEFORE Travis was murdered. This person said she told Travis there was an ugliness about the persona of JA; she told Travis to "watch his back"; and she told Travis that it would soon be over for she saw angels all about Travis.

IF this is correct: then JA WAS in Mesa @ the 20th of May. WHY?

JA DID state she was in Mesa first of June PRIOR to June 4--- sometime before the 1st and the 4th. Huh?

Travis told JA he was going to expose her; JA had done something to hurt Travis EVEN more than the death of his father (from a motorcycle accident on Travis' 20th birthday). Travis was going to expose JA to EVERYONE--- in Mesa, PPL, the Freemans, HER parents, etc.

JA did NOT kill Travis because of Cancun.
JA did NOT kill Travis because of Mimi or any jealousy.
JA did NOT kill Travis because of reported child porn.
JA DID kill Travis to shut him up for ever!!!

What did she do that was SO severe SHE did NOT want others to know? Slashing tires and stalking and home invasions had NOT upset Travis so much as this. And JA said SHE was going to hire "her attorney" at this point.

No. Travis was NOT expecting JA to arrive that fateful morning.

So. What was it Travis knew and JA did not, could not let others share it that knowledge? I have two opinions of my own but I would really like to hear what others think...

Freckles wrote:WHY did JA kill Travis?

Look at the last email exchanges and incorporate the taped words of Julie Christy (?), the intuitive who said she had met BOTH JA and Travis JUST 14 days BEFORE Travis was murdered. This person said she told Travis there was an ugliness about the persona of JA; she told Travis to "watch his back"; and she told Travis that it would soon be over for she saw angels all about Travis.

IF this is correct: then JA WAS in Mesa @ the 20th of May. WHY?

JA DID state she was in Mesa first of June PRIOR to June 4--- sometime before the 1st and the 4th. Huh?

Travis told JA he was going to expose her; JA had done something to hurt Travis EVEN more than the death of his father (from a motorcycle accident on Travis' 20th birthday). Travis was going to expose JA to EVERYONE--- in Mesa, PPL, the Freemans, HER parents, etc.

JA did NOT kill Travis because of Cancun.
JA did NOT kill Travis because of Mimi or any jealousy.
JA did NOT kill Travis because of reported child porn.
JA DID kill Travis to shut him up for ever!!!

What did she do that was SO severe SHE did NOT want others to know? Slashing tires and stalking and home invasions had NOT upset Travis so much as this. And JA said SHE was going to hire "her attorney" at this point.

No. Travis was NOT expecting JA to arrive that fateful morning.

So. What was it Travis knew and JA did not, could not let others share it that knowledge? I have two opinions of my own but I would really like to hear what others think...

Theories:
The "sex tape" was scripted by JA just for "funsies". She was prob trying to blackmail him with it as truth. It's strange that she kept making him repeat his answers.
He found out she was invading his bank acct, emails, etc.....his LIFE.

We DO know that JA is all about what people think of her so, yes, exposing her would out her from his circles and that was unacceptable.
I'm sure she was also upset that she had such bad luck with men, she may have been stabbing all of them.

We'll never know, of course, that's why it's so frustrating.

Freckles wrote:Look at DB's hands and fingers here @35:00!
Tell me those are not the fingers in the peen pics!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk5QUH9Dmuo&feature=player_embedded

Wish I had the peen pics to post with this video.

*** @40:35
DB said the Mormon missionaries started "showing up" BEFORE the Las Vegas PPL convention. Sex w/ JA had already been put on hold PRIOR to the LV convention; actually, it was put on hold as soon as DB announced he was moving back to Monterrey to be close to his son (and his ex- wife...) . IMO, JA took sex out of the equation as soon as DB announced he was NOT going to be marrying JA, was moving to be closer to his his son and his ex- ... So it was NOT because of Travis JA ended the sex with DB; it was NOT because of Travis JA had an interest in the Mormon faith; it was NOT because of Travis JA joined PPL.... in the SPRING of 2006! After all, JA met Travis in the FALL of 2006. Missionaries had been coming to the home in the SPRING of 2006; JA joined PPL in SPRING of 2006--- NOT because Travis had encouraged her!!! (JA stopped making payments on the home she and DB bought together when DB moved DESPITE DB continuing to pay his half of the mortgage. She threw it all away so she would be a helpless feline in need of a room and board, readying to move in with the next smuck. )

Wow. The lies are thicker than flies on a cow dung heap.
JA is the orchestra conductor of the lies and Nurma only brings them forth on her behalf!!!

I thought you all knew this. At least a YEAR before she met Travis, Jodi was complaining to her co worker at somewhere she worked that SHE WAS NOT HAPPY IN HER RELATIONSHIP WITH DARRYL. I heard this lady months and months ago say that on NG one night. Can't remember the lady's name, but she is older and worked with JA for quite a time. She had a LOT of VERY INTERESTING tidbits about Jodi!
She also said later, after meeting T., that JA was "absolutely obsessed", but she made it clear that JA's relationship with Darryl was on the skids before T. ever came into the picture.
IMO, both DB and JA have lied about many things re their relationship. I also think DB is deluded.

Mari 68 wrote:If we get news of a verdict it will be death. Death or a hung jury. No way all 12 will agree to give her life.


See you all in the morning.

Hi Mari~
Raining here, and I am going to watch the trial, hoping this is the LAST day! (C'mon people, a sentencing already!!!)
I totally agree with you; I don't think everyone will agree to life, and maybe not death, but I would think it will be death or a hung jury. I just don't think EVERYONE who is for death will cave and compromise for life...

Freckles wrote:The question has come up as to why JA had sex with Travis:
IMO, Travis was NOT expecting JA. Nothing in phone text or emails or even phone calls to suggest he was aware and monitoring her very long drive. She let herself in using the garage security code according to testimony she gave. Travis was a night owl. I dunno if he was awake at that time or not. IMO, JA "discovered" Travis roomie was at home so she had to delay murdering Travis. She could not have sex with him due to the roomie being there and she could not murder him. So she talked with Travis trying to convince him to take her back in a bf/gf relationship. He would not budge. They went to sleep. Travis DID answer the phone shortly after noon re a phone conference scheduled for that evening. JA, however, said they BOTH slept until shortly after one PM when they had this sposed sex.

With the roomies gone, JA proceeded to murder Travis. The delay in waiting for the roomies to be gone made her trip to Utah run much later than she had anticipated; JA created the lies of getting lost as people started calling to see if she was "safe" on her trip.


The ninja story:
To keep her lies straight, JA has to have her pattern, her "matrix". The ninja story : JA said there was a male and a female (this would be Travis and JA); she said the two ninjas argued (this would be Travis and JA); she said the one had the knife and the other the gun (she is telling you in advance she plans to put the gun in Travis' hand/control while she, the female, has the knife); she said the gun was held to her head and failed to fire (she is telling of SHE putting the gun to Travis' head and the gun only firing the once); JA said Travis fell in the hallway (this would be the blood smear indicating Travis had fallen and slid off the wall); JA said Travis said he couldn't feel his legs (IMO, this is when JA kicked his legs to make sure he could not ambulate); JA said Travis told her to run and get help from a neighbor (IMO, Travis indicated he was trying to get to a telephone for help).

JA has repeatedly stated Travis called her names and threatened to kill her. Well, someone pointing a knife/gun at you,YOU don't usually threaten to kill THEM.
IMO, everything JA is saying here is what SHE actually said to Travis. SHE called him names and told him SHE was going to kill HIM.

And she did.

JMO in trying to work her stories thru.

I agree that Jodi's plans were probably 'adjusted' due to roommate issues, but I am one who believes she did NOT let herself in that morning. I am also convinced Travis did NOT know she was coming. She showed up, but I do believe T. let her in. He was plenty pissed as per his email on May 26. NO way would she have angered him further or possibly gotten herself summarily booted out of the house by sneaking in and suprising him.
I feel she had a very CAREFULLY REHEARSED AND CONTRIVED STORY FOR HIM---She did some bigtime fast talking to gain access. Maybe appealing to his desire to 'see the best in and forgive people'. She may have said things like she had come all that way to make right whatever she had done, and wanted his forgiveness, and that she wanted to 'see him face to face and part on good terms'.

Freckles wrote:WHY did JA kill Travis?

Look at the last email exchanges and incorporate the taped words of Julie Christy (?), the intuitive who said she had met BOTH JA and Travis JUST 14 days BEFORE Travis was murdered. This person said she told Travis there was an ugliness about the persona of JA; she told Travis to "watch his back"; and she told Travis that it would soon be over for she saw angels all about Travis.

IF this is correct: then JA WAS in Mesa @ the 20th of May. WHY?

JA DID state she was in Mesa first of June PRIOR to June 4--- sometime before the 1st and the 4th. Huh?

Travis told JA he was going to expose her; JA had done something to hurt Travis EVEN more than the death of his father (from a motorcycle accident on Travis' 20th birthday). Travis was going to expose JA to EVERYONE--- in Mesa, PPL, the Freemans, HER parents, etc.

JA did NOT kill Travis because of Cancun.
JA did NOT kill Travis because of Mimi or any jealousy.
JA did NOT kill Travis because of reported child porn.
JA DID kill Travis to shut him up for ever!!!

What did she do that was SO severe SHE did NOT want others to know? Slashing tires and stalking and home invasions had NOT upset Travis so much as this. And JA said SHE was going to hire "her attorney" at this point.

No. Travis was NOT expecting JA to arrive that fateful morning.

So. What was it Travis knew and JA did not, could not let others share it that knowledge? I have two opinions of my own but I would really like to hear what others think...

I am not sure what it was, but I have always DISAGREED with those who said it was the sex tape. Piffle!!!!! If Travis was being blackmailed with that by Jodi why would he be saying HE was going to TELL EVERYONE THEY KNEW ABOUT HER???
I think

1. Travis did not know about the sex tape at the time of his death. (I have many reasons for that but won't go into them here now).

2. Even if Travis at some point learned of the sex tape, it would not be something that would HURT HIM WORSE THAN HIS FATHER'S DEATH!

3. If Travis someday had learned of the existence of the sex tape, he would have been shamed and embarrassed, but I firmly believe he would have 'taken his lumps', fessed up to his friends, confessed to his bishop, and moved on.


4. What ever Jodi had done, if people found out, IT WOULD HURT JODI'S REPUTATION, NOT TRAVIS'.

5. Whatever terrible thing Jodi had done, I believe it was crucial as to HOW she gained access to Travis' home on June 4th, and to HOW SHE WAS ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH HIM THAT DAY.
This terrible, awful thing had to have been really bad. We see that it took a lot before Travis really lost it like that. Jodi HAD to have told Travis on June 4th that she had come all that way in person to speak to him about whatever the issue was!

We may never know all that transpired on the day of the murder, or what was said between them. I do think Jodi did hope that Travis would take her back, when she went to see him, but I agree the murder was not mainly about that or Cancun. To a great degree, Jodi lives in a very immature fantasy world, and I do think that she may have entertained the notion that she could manipulate/seduce him into becoming a couple. This murder plot was hatched immediately after the email Travis sent her on May 26th., and it has it's roots there.
I think Juan MAY know something about what it was that Jodi had done to Travis that was so 'terrible'. For some reason, it couldn't come out at the trial.

18thcenturylady wrote:

Freckles wrote:WHY did JA kill Travis?

Look at the last email exchanges and incorporate the taped words of Julie Christy (?), the intuitive who said she had met BOTH JA and Travis JUST 14 days BEFORE Travis was murdered. This person said she told Travis there was an ugliness about the persona of JA; she told Travis to "watch his back"; and she told Travis that it would soon be over for she saw angels all about Travis.

IF this is correct: then JA WAS in Mesa @ the 20th of May. WHY?

JA DID state she was in Mesa first of June PRIOR to June 4--- sometime before the 1st and the 4th. Huh?

Travis told JA he was going to expose her; JA had done something to hurt Travis EVEN more than the death of his father (from a motorcycle accident on Travis' 20th birthday). Travis was going to expose JA to EVERYONE--- in Mesa, PPL, the Freemans, HER parents, etc.

JA did NOT kill Travis because of Cancun.
JA did NOT kill Travis because of Mimi or any jealousy.
JA did NOT kill Travis because of reported child porn.
JA DID kill Travis to shut him up for ever!!!

What did she do that was SO severe SHE did NOT want others to know? Slashing tires and stalking and home invasions had NOT upset Travis so much as this. And JA said SHE was going to hire "her attorney" at this point.

No. Travis was NOT expecting JA to arrive that fateful morning.

So. What was it Travis knew and JA did not, could not let others share it that knowledge? I have two opinions of my own but I would really like to hear what others think...

I am not sure what it was, but I have always DISAGREED with those who said it was the sex tape. Piffle!!!!! If Travis was being blackmailed with that by Jodi why would he be saying HE was going to TELL EVERYONE THEY KNEW ABOUT HER???
I think

1. Travis did not know about the sex tape at the time of his death. (I have many reasons for that but won't go into them here now).

2. Even if Travis at some point learned of the sex tape, it would not be something that would HURT HIM WORSE THAN HIS FATHER'S DEATH!

3. If Travis someday had learned of the existence of the sex tape, he would have been shamed and embarrassed, but I firmly believe he would have 'taken his lumps', fessed up to his friends, confessed to his bishop, and moved on.


4. What ever Jodi had done, if people found out, IT WOULD HURT JODI'S REPUTATION, NOT TRAVIS'.

5. Whatever terrible thing Jodi had done, I believe it was crucial as to HOW she gained access to Travis' home on June 4th, and to HOW SHE WAS ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH HIM THAT DAY.
This terrible, awful thing had to have been really bad. We see that it took a lot before Travis really lost it like that. Jodi HAD to have told Travis on June 4th that she had come all that way in person to speak to him about whatever the issue was!

We may never know all that transpired on the day of the murder, or what was said between them. I do think Jodi did hope that Travis would take her back, when she went to see him, but I agree the murder was not about Cancun. This murder plot was hatched immediately after the email Travis sent her on May 26th., and it has it's roots there.
I think Juan MAY know something about what it was that Jodi had done to Travis that was so 'terrible'. For some reason, it couldn't come out at the trial.

Yep, anything is possible.

After listening to Skye Hughes on the talkradio show, I am even more upset that she and Chris were not called as prosecution witnesses, and disgusted at our system that fostered the coverup of what REALLY happened between Travis and Jodi. The jury did not get the true and real story of this crime, and it was because of the issues being deemed too prejudicial in favor of the murderer. I will never accept or understand this thinking.
I hope the jurors find out all that we know after this is over, and I hope they are angry and disgusted as well.
Something HAS GOT to change in our trial system someday...

auman58 wrote:
Theories:
The "sex tape" was scripted by JA just for "funsies". She was prob trying to blackmail him with it as truth. It's strange that she kept making him repeat his answers.
He found out she was invading his bank acct, emails, etc.....his LIFE.

We DO know that JA is all about what people think of her so, yes, exposing her would out her from his circles and that was unacceptable.
I'm sure she was also upset that she had such bad luck with men, she may have been stabbing all of them.

We'll never know, of course, that's why it's so frustrating.

I agree that bank account could be a possible answer. And I do agree that "she may have been stabbing all of them", in other words, she killed all of them thru Travis.

http://news.yahoo.com/arias-returns-court-penalty-phase-trial-071617572.html
Yahoo News - Associated Press -- 5/20/13

Arias returns to court for penalty phase of trial



Associated Press/The Arizona Republic, Rob Schumacher, File -
FILE - Jodi Arias cries as Steven Alexander, brother of murder
victim Travis Alexander, makes his "victim impact statement"
to the jury in this …more Thursday, May 16, 2013 file photo,
during the penalty phase of the Jodi Arias trial at Maricopa
County Superior Court in Phoenix. Arias returns to court
Monday May 20, 2013 for the continuation of her trial after
being convicted of murder in her lover's killing as jurors
consider a life sentence or execution.
(AP Photo/The Arizona Republic, Rob Schumacher, File)

I was on the Internet this morning trying to see what is the latest on Alyce. I was shocked at one article. It was saying that Tanisha was leading an effort to discredit Alyce. As I started to read it was alarming. It was against Tanisha with claims that she has a criminal record and listed all her supposed crimes. It was sickening. Now the Jodi lovers are trashing Travis' family. I am sick a out it. They do not deserve this.

Mylife101 wrote:A new post from the EggTreeNews Blog

Call Off That Execution. Stabby Can Paint by Numbers
Posted May 18, 2013 by eggtreenews

http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2013/05/18/call-off-that-execution-stabby-can-paint-by-numbers/

That is a riot!! Love it!

Snipped @ 18th
4. What ever Jodi had done, if people found out, IT WOULD HURT JODI'S REPUTATION, NOT TRAVIS'.

5. Whatever terrible thing Jodi had done, I believe it was crucial as to HOW she gained access to Travis' home on June 4th, and to HOW SHE WAS ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH HIM THAT DAY.
This terrible, awful thing had to have been really bad. We see that it took a lot before Travis really lost it like that. Jodi HAD to have told Travis on June 4th that she had come all that way in person to speak to him about whatever the issue was!

We may never know all that transpired on the day of the murder, or what was said between them. I do think Jodi did hope that Travis would take her back, when she went to see him, but I agree the murder was not about Cancun. This murder plot was hatched immediately after the email Travis sent her on May 26th., and it has it's roots there.

Snipped @ Freckles
JA did NOT kill Travis because of Cancun.
JA did NOT kill Travis because of Mimi or any jealousy.
JA did NOT kill Travis because of reported child porn.
JA DID kill Travis to shut him up for ever!!!

I definitely agree with these thoughts. The "thing" that triggered the May 26th email threatened Jodi's very existence/reputation. He wasn't going to back down. Not. Ever. So she did what she did. Silenced him forever.

I'd love to hear your thoughts Freckles as to the "thing"...

18thcenturylady wrote:After listening to Skye Hughes on the talkradio show, I am even more upset that she and Chris were not called as prosecution witnesses, and disgusted at our system that fostered the coverup of what REALLY happened between Travis and Jodi. The jury did not get the true and real story of this crime, and it was because of the issues being deemed too prejudicial in favor of the murderer. I will never accept or understand this thinking.I hope the jurors find out all that we know after this is over, and I hope they are angry and disgusted as well.
Something HAS GOT to change in our trial system someday...

With you a 1000% on this!! I will never accept it either 18! Our trial system is more concerned & worried about the rights of the criminal, then the rights of the victim! It is just not fair! The way I see it, it should be more about the victim then the killer! If it is known for a fact that a person killed someone else, they would lose all their rights! They took away every right their victim ever had so, they get no rights either! That is the way I wish it were! Victim put 1st, NOT the killer!

On fb they're saying that Patty backed out of being a witness for JA. I don't know how true it is but that would be damn funny if all she had was DB and herself after saying they'd have a childhood friend to speak about her abuse... lol...

Bmore wrote:On fb they're saying that Patty backed out of being a witness for JA. I don't know how true it is but that would be damn funny if all she had was DB and herself after saying they'd have a childhood friend to speak about her abuse... lol...

I don't do Facebook, and would never believe even half of what is on there. (No reflection on anyone here). I would need confirmation of this, but that being said, Patty is now a married woman. I don't know if she has any children, but I would not be at all suprised if her hubby or family sat her down and said 'Look, you knew a girl years and years ago. That was then and this is now. Your teenage memories are not significant or relevant in this case, and why are you injuring your reputation to defend someone with whom your experiences were very limited in the scope of who they really are?' 'Patty' does not look or sound very mature, but maybe someone is helping her to 'wise up'. JAO.

Discussion @ WS says that Good Morning America also announced that Patty backed out. JMO, but I think the reason has more to do with the fact that she could/would be cross examined by Juan and she apparently has a credibility issue from things in her past. Maybe the defense felt the lesser of 2 evils was to pull her testimony to avoid that fall out. But the funny is that she was announced as the childhood friend who would testify to the "abuse"....so yeah, that's funny.

I listened to that radio show with the host 'Michelle' VERY UNimpressive when compared to Trish's Websleuth's show. Michelle is tedious and hard to listen to, is all over the place, and has a hard time formulating questions. (She should not be hosting a radio show, IMO). Julie and Eric Christopher are unbelievably misinformed for supposedly having followed this trial and being friends of Travis. They categorically state that Travis was SHOT first, and that the murder happened as soon as Jodi got there---That she "suprised" him and immediately killed him at 4AM! HUH???! I was disgusted, rolling my eyes. You can discount most of what those 2 have to say. Mark Eiglarsh was the other guest, and the ONLY one with any good or valid points IMO. Overall the show was poor to mediocre, and Mark the only saving grace. On the other hand, Trish's interview with Skye Hughes was clear and very enlightening.

Weeziethm wrote:Discussion @ WS says that Good Morning America also announced that Patty backed out. JMO, but I think the reason has more to do with the fact that she could/would be cross examined by Juan and she apparently has a credibility issue from things in her past. Maybe the defense felt the lesser of 2 evils was to pull her testimony to avoid that fall out. But the funny is that she was announced as the childhood friend who would testify to the "abuse"....so yeah, that's funny.

I actually SAW a clip of Patty speaking on HLN long before this, and she stated there was NO abuse and that Jodi came from a 'terrific' family! All Juan would have had to do was show the clip. She KNEW she said that and then did a complete about face and changed her story to help Jodi NOW. No doubt that someone reminded this rather ignorant chica of her words on national TV only months ago...

FROM 'MIXEDBAGBLOG'~ "Donovan Can’t Contact Jodi From Monica Magnes: “As confirmed by KPHO Channel 5 news, Phoenix, this evening, May 17th 2013, the Maricopa County Adult Probation Department has launched an investigation into convicted felon Donovan Bering’s association with convicted felon Jodi Arias. Donovan Bering is on Supervised Probation for a class 2 Felony Conviction, Arson of an Occupied Structure. She is forbidden from having contact with any convicted felon as stipulated in her Supervised Probation agreement.” And another interesting tidbit: From Ace Hunter who commented on the above: “She is also not supposed to go to any bars but I just saw him/her on TV in a bar giving an interview and playing darts. So byebye Jodi’s twitter, website, art sale, t-shirt sale, fund raising crap.”

Here is where Jodi STOLE the 'lip' picture from! http://www.harpersbazaar.com/beauty/health-wellness-articles/the-new-youth-pills-1011 FROM HARPER'S~ " September 21, 2011 The New Youth Pills Can two much-hyped supplements really slow aging? Wendy Schmid investigates. Also read her article on storing your fat cells. By Wendy Schmid You exercise and eat right, but your body is getting older each year. You just have to accept it, right? Maybe not. "Aging is typically seen as inevitable, but it's actually a condition that's treatable," says Harvard geneticist David Sinclair. "Our bodies have an extraordinary ability to repair themselves." Two increasingly popular supplements, resveratrol and TA-65, seem to tap into those healing mechanisms. In separate studies, these plant-derived compounds have been shown to activate enzymes in mice that trigger their bodies' DNA repair process. Those enzymes exist in our bodies too, and now...." "Read more: Anti Aging Pills - Youth Supplements that Slow Aging - Harper's BAZAAR (Photo by Richard Burbridge)

18thcenturylady wrote:

Bmore wrote:On fb they're saying that Patty backed out of being a witness for JA. I don't know how true it is but that would be damn funny if all she had was DB and herself after saying they'd have a childhood friend to speak about her abuse... lol...

I don't do Facebook, and would never believe even half of what is on there. I would need confirmation of this, but that being said, Patty is now a married woman. I don't know if she has any children, but I would not be at all suprised if her hubby or family sat her down and said 'Look, you knew a girl years and years ago. That was then and this is now. Your teenage memories are not significant or relevant in this case, and why are you injuring your reputation to defend someone with whom your experiences were very limited in the scope of who they really are?' 'Patty' does not look or sound very mature, but maybe someone is helping her to 'wise up'. JAO.

18th whenever Bmore talks about stuff on FB it is the Justice FOR Travis group she is referring to..there is another group supporting the chica on fb too or there was..not sure but it may of shut down the day she got guilty of murder one. If Patty already got on tv and yapped about the truth of Jodi's homelife then most likely she wont be testifying today and I do think it will be quiet telling that once again the only one to speak on Jodi's behalf aside from herself is the poor old smuck she was diddling prior to Travis.

Arias witness withdraws because of death threats
Defense attorneys for Jodi Arias filed a motion for mistrial Sunday after a witness who was supposed to testify as to Arias’ character withdrew because she was being threatened.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/articles/20130520jodi-arias-witness-withdraws-because-death-threats.html

18thcenturylady wrote:

Mari 68 wrote:If we get news of a verdict it will be death. Death or a hung jury. No way all 12 will agree to give her life.


See you all in the morning.

Hi Mari~
Raining here, and I am going to watch the trial, hoping this is the LAST day! (C'mon people, a sentencing already!!!)
I totally agree with you; I don't think everyone will agree to life, and maybe not death, but I would think it will be death or a hung jury. I just don't think EVERYONE who is for death will cave and compromise for life...

How things have changed, huh? Couple months ago I felt SURE she'd never get death. Even after cross by Juan - I just couldn't see the jurors doing it.

I feel "firmly convinced" this woman will get death.

Weeziethm wrote:Arias witness withdraws because of death threats
Defense attorneys for Jodi Arias filed a motion for mistrial Sunday after a witness who was supposed to testify as to Arias’ character withdrew because she was being threatened.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/mesa/articles/20130520jodi-arias-witness-withdraws-because-death-threats.html

You know what, there are just way too many crazy people in this world. Really??? Why threaten this girl? Travis' family/friends are not threatening her! Why would complete total strangers do this????

Weeziethm wrote:Discussion @ WS says that Good Morning America also announced that Patty backed out. JMO, but I think the reason has more to do with the fact that she could/would be cross examined by Juan and she apparently has a credibility issue from things in her past. Maybe the defense felt the lesser of 2 evils was to pull her testimony to avoid that fall out. But the funny is that she was announced as the childhood friend who would testify to the "abuse"....so yeah, that's funny.

I feel kinda bad for this Patty girl. She knew Jodi LONG LONG ago. Hadn't seen her in over 10 years. She finally sees her again for the wedding - then BAM! Jodi is arrested and then she doesn't Jodi til trial.

Patty now hears all this evidence - she's now convinced Jodi did this murder in a premeditated way. She's conflicted - feels bad. Is there to support Jodi's mother - and then she's asked to talk about Jodi on HLN. She's nothing derogatory about Jodi - and that's because she doesn't KNOW anything derogatory about Jodi.

She never said "I know for sure Jodi didn't do this. Jodi was abused by Travis" She never said shitty things about Travis or his family.

Yes, she acted odd - but I think that's because of years of drug abuse. And what the hell does that have to do with anything????

Jodi is desperate here. She's got to try and lay the guilt on to someone, anyone, to come up and say nice things about her. So she grabs the drug abuser she knew in high school. THAT is where the bullshit is! Not with Patty.

By Michael Kiefer The Republic | azcentral.com Mon May 20, 2013 7:52 AM

Defense attorneys for Jodi Arias filed a motion for mistrial Sunday after a witness who was supposed to testify as to Arias’ character withdrew because she was being threatened.

Patricia Womack, a friend of Arias, was supposed to testify Friday in Maricopa County Superior Court, but could not because the defense attorneys and the prosecutor spent the afternoon behind closed doors, ostensibly arguing over the defense case.

“However, after returning home Ms. Womack began receiving threats, threats that included threats on her life if she were to testify on Ms. Arias’ behalf,” attorney Kirk Nurmi wrote in the motion. “On May 19, 2013, Ms. Womack contacted counsel for Ms. Arias that she is no longer willing to testify due to these threats. It should also be noted that these threats follow those made to Alyce LaViolette, a record of which was made ex-parte and under seal.”

LaViolette, an expert on domestic violence, testified during Arias’ trial and was subsequently harrassed and threatened by trial watchers who staged a massive defamation campaign against her.

On May 8, Arias, 32, was found guilty of first-degree murder for the 2008 slaying of Travis Alexander, 30, who was found dead in his Mesa home. He had been shot in the head, stabbed nearly 30 times, and his throat was slit. Arias said she killed Alexander, her secret lover, in self-defense, but the jury did not buy that story.

Last week, the jury determined that the murder was committed in an “especially cruel manner,” making Arias eligible for the death penalty.

Now the jury is to consider “mitigating factors,” that is, evidence about Arias’ character and background that may sway them not to impose a death sentence. Womack was to be one such witness.

Whether a defense attorney presents mitigation evidence becomes an issue on appeal, especially at a stage called “post-conviction relief,” which is the first appeal after the case is reviewed by the state Supreme Court and possibly by the U.S. Supreme Court.

That is the first opportunity for a defendant to question whether his or her defense attorney provided effective assistance, and it has recently been the subject of several U.S. Supreme Court decisions.

Nurmi has requested mistrials on several issues during the course of the 4 1/2 month proceeding.




Another motion for mistrial filed yesterday by Kurt Nurmi.
In my opinion the reason for Ms. Womack deciding not to testify for Jodi is NOT because of any death threats from wackos.
I think it has everything to do with cowardice---She's afraid of Juan's cross, as well she should be!
Obviously no 'threats' are stopping Darryl from taking the stand for his fair damsel in distress!
In any case I can't see a mistrial. Judge and lawyers have no control over any weirdos in the public.

I believe that Jodi is very limited in what she can say to the jury because she has claimed self defense, any statements that she might make can affect her appeal process.

Some defense lawyers are saying (on HLN) that she shouldn't plead with the jury to spare her life, that her mother should do it instead, if she does take the stand to speak on her own behalf, she has to pick her words very carefully because she doesn't want to jeopardize her chances at the appeal level.

Sarainbc wrote:Dont they just need 7 out 5 for death or LWOP? Or do they need 12 out of 12?

Must be unanimous in Arizona. Florida is where its a majority vote.

"USE NOTE: Regarding hung juries at the penalty phase, the proper procedure is specified in
A.R.S. § 13-752(K): “[I]f . . . the jury is unable to reach a verdict, the court shall dismiss the
jury and shall impanel a new jury. The new jury shall not retry the issue of the defendant’s
guilt or the issue regarding any of the aggravating circumstances that the first jury found by
unanimous verdict to be proved or not proved. If the new jury is unable to reach a
unanimous verdict, the court shall impose a sentence of life or natural life on the defendant.”
http://www.azbar.org/media/58847/4-capital_case_instructions_revised_2011.pdf

In my opinion, there are few chances that they all choose death, so they will call a new jury (seems a strange solution) which will reach the same result and Judge Stephens will select LWOP. Then with appeal and other tricks she will get parole later.

olivier57 wrote:"USE NOTE: Regarding hung juries at the penalty phase, the proper procedure is specified in
A.R.S. § 13-752(K): “[I]f . . . the jury is unable to reach a verdict, the court shall dismiss the
jury and shall impanel a new jury. The new jury shall not retry the issue of the defendant’s
guilt or the issue regarding any of the aggravating circumstances that the first jury found by
unanimous verdict to be proved or not proved. If the new jury is unable to reach a
unanimous verdict, the court shall impose a sentence of life or natural life on the defendant.”
http://www.azbar.org/media/58847/4-capital_case_instructions_revised_2011.pdf

In my opinion, there are few chances that they all choose death, so they will call a new jury (seems a strange solution) which will reach the same result and Judge Stephens will select LWOP. Then with appeal and other tricks she will get parole later.

I have a problem with a second jury coming and actually giving her death. Seems more unlikely - plus the Supreme Court of the US doesn't like it. Could get over-turned (commuted to a life sentence)

Olivier, Jodi Arias will never get parole in the state of Arizona. VERY conservative state - just won't happen.