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Post by ishi Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:01 pm

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David and Nicole's condo had 2 bedrooms and 2 baths, 924 sq ft with an attached garage according to Zillow.

The condo located at 15415 35th Ave W c105 which I would assume is next door to the Pietz condo is for sale.

http://www.redfin.com/WA/Lynnwood/15415-35th-Ave-W-98087/unit-C105/home/39820003
http://search.allegrorealtygroup.com/flyer.html?id=11007971&ln=299869

There are pictures of all the rooms at these sites and more information on the condo unit.

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I can not figure out where the garage is supposed to be....the picture shown with the listing for c105 doesn't even look like the same style of architecture for the front of the building but all the listings say attached garage for those units. The patio picture also appears to be part of a different style of architecture.

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Post by ishi Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:02 pm

Nan, thank you so much for teaching me how to do pictures with the tutorial you posted on Ayla's thread!!! Razz
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Post by ishi Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:53 pm

http://www.ziprealty.com/property/15415-35TH-AVE-W-_UNIT_C306-LYNNWOOD-WA-98087/82505891/detail

This site has a bird's eye view of the condo complex.

The garages for the first floor condos such as the Pietz' condo appear to be to the right side of each of the condo buildings. C306 which is the top floor of the Pietz condo building is also listed for sale and that condo only gets a covered parking spot as does the second floor units.

Another picture of the Pietz condo building:
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Pictures of the top floor condo in the Pietz building C306 are shown on this site:
http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/15415-35th-Ave-W-APT-C306-Lynnwood-WA-98087/68484611_zpid/

C205 which is next door but on the second floor is also for sale and there are pictures of it here:
http://www.redfin.com/WA/Lynnwood/15415-35th-Ave-W-98087/unit-C205/home/11881990

There is a good picture of the first floor condo owner's backyard on that site. I couldn't get the picture to show up here.
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Post by Nan11 Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:17 pm

ishi wrote:Nan, thank you so much for teaching me how to do pictures with the tutorial you posted on Ayla's thread!!! Razz
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Post by ishi Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:26 pm

Despite the listings that say attached garage I don't see that it's possible. So no matter what he would have had to get her body across an open space....that suitcase is looking likely.
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Post by Nan11 Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:33 pm

@ Ishi - Thank you, also, for all those great pics and links.

I've been looking at them, and I can't tell you how much I appreciate them.

I did a partial transcript of Mr. Pickel's testimony talking about the distances from the condo to the parking space--but it is confusing.

From the pictures, it looks like they did not have a carport 15, 20, or 25 feet from their front door.  Nicole Pietz--Found Deceased On Feb. 6, 2006 - Page 2 2c06

Anyway, here is the transcript, but I'll make an additional comment about this, too. (I enclosed some of the transcript in the spoiler, just because it was so long.)

https://youtu.be/t7p2-hpHlno?t=33m58s  |  @ About 33:58

Defense:  I want to talk to you a little bit about the layout at the Brio Condos where Nicole and David lived and where you were employed as the construction superintendent.

These were condos where there was a single building—or they were composed of single buildings, and there were multiply units in each building.  Is that right?

Pickel:  Correct.

Defense:  And some of the condo owners had garages where they could park their cars.  Is that correct?

Pickel:  Correct.

Defense:  The garages, though, were not in the actual condo unit buildings, were they?

Pickel:  They were separate.

Defense:  They were a separate garage that was out in kind of a common parking area.

Pickel:  Yes.

Defense:  Some of the condo owners also had carports which they could park their cars in as well.  Is that correct?

Pickel:  Correct.

Defense:  Those also were not in the condo unit buildings themselves.  They were out in a common parking lot driveway, type area.

Pickel:  Correct.

Defense:  And are you familiar, or do you remember, whether David and Nicole Pietz had either a garage unit or a carport unit?

Pickel:  My memory says they had a car garage, and I don’t recall them having a carport unit.  It was an outside parking—noncovered parking.

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Post by Nan11 Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:37 pm

ishi wrote:Despite the listings that say attached garage I don't see that it's possible. So no matter what he would have had to get her body across an open space....that suitcase is looking likely.
Yep, we totally agree.

If that map showing the actual location of the condo is correct--and I believe it is--Pickel was correct when he said their parking space was uncovered.  That is all i'm seeing in the front of the condo--if I'm seeing things correctly.


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Post by Nan11 Fri Oct 04, 2013 11:48 pm

Nicole Pietz--Found Deceased On Feb. 6, 2006 - Page 2 2zoylwh http://www.ziprealty.com/property/15415-35TH-AVE-W-_UNIT_C306-LYNNWOOD-WA-98087/82505891/detail

The little red house marks the location of their condo; so the carports are clearly across the street.  (Much thanks to Ishi for finding this great bird's eye view of the Brio Condos.)

Now, the prosecutor made the point that the landscaping wasn't done at the time; so, it's possible he could have backed the Jetta up within 15 feet of the front door.

Another interesting thing mentioned by the prosecution is that the outside lights may not have been working.

It would have been risky, but he may have been brazen enough to do it.  (With her in a suitcase, or even a large duffel bag.)
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Post by Nan11 Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:26 am

Below is a YouTube video showing some of the grounds and amenities of the Brio condo.   (Also from one of Ishi's links.)

At approximately the 00:41 minute mark of the video, it shows a vehicle backing out of one of the garages and also pans to that particular person's uncovered parking spot.  I believe this is for sale of condo C105.  (The Pietz' condo was C106.)



Following is a screen shot from that video.  I thought it gives a pretty good idea of the distance between the condos and the carports.  Even though they most likely did not have a carport, the uncovered parking spaces are probably just as close to the condos.

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Post by CuriousPortlander Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:03 am

Great job on the pictures!  Thanks!
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Post by CuriousPortlander Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:11 am


Murdering Husbands, Wade Robson and Michael Jackson

Published on Oct 1, 2013

David Pietz and Martin MacNeill are on trial for murdering their wives, and we look at the court footage of the trial along with discussion of child abuse and the trial of Wade Robson against Michael Jackson's estate alleging sexual abuse on Crime Time with guest Jim Clemente of Criminal Minds, who shares his experience as a retired FBI Supervisory Special Agent in the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit in Quantico:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Sc1oAAq1_M
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Post by One Wonders Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:07 pm

I'm in chat if anyone wants to join me.
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Post by Nan11 Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:18 pm

One Wonders wrote:I'm in chat if anyone wants to join me.
I'm late, but I'm on my way.

Live stream:
http://www.kirotv.com/s/news/live-event/

Link for chat:
http://www.realitychatter.com/h10-chat

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Post by Alessandra_Deux Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:00 am

PUBLISHED OCTOBER 7, 2013



DAVID PIETZ MURDER TRIAL 10/07/2013 MORNING SESSION PART 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmu2FQuMmtQ




DAVID PIETZ MURDER TRIAL 10/07/2013 MORNING SESSION PART 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UldqYHVAMY




DAVID PIETZ MURDER TRIAL 10/07/2013 AFTERNOON SESSION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdMR3B6b19g

___________________


There is better sound quality on these videos:

Martin Pietz Trial, Oct 7, 2013

Part 1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41KfRPTIb3s

Part 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_cpm11O81I

Part 3:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljPsOXsSCWw

Part 4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2G5Tq_lPAs


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Post by Alessandra_Deux Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:11 am

Timeline: Nicole Pietz Murder Case

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1 of 22 - Jan. 28, 2006 Nicole Pietz of Lynnwood is reported missing by her husband. She had an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting in Renton the morning she disappeared, KIRO 7 Eyewitness News reported. She never made it to the meeting.

Photo Gallery:

http://www.kirotv.com/gallery/news/timeline-nicole-pietz-murder-case/gDR3/#271071
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Post by Nan11 Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:02 pm

Live link for Nicole's trial:
http://www.kirotv.com/s/news/live-event/

Chat -- if you want to drop in:  Nicole Pietz--Found Deceased On Feb. 6, 2006 - Page 2 2d0x4iv
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Post by Alessandra_Deux Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:27 pm



Martin Pietz Trial. Oct 8. Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xq6Q7LxTliw




Martin Pietz Trial. Oct 8. Part 2. Lunch Until 1:30pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgcWXLQoCeQ




Martin Pietz Trial. Oct 8. Part 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWSVOsDAaw
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Post by Nan11 Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:46 am

Link for the live stream to Nicole's trial.   Closing arguments today!  Nicole Pietz--Found Deceased On Feb. 6, 2006 - Page 2 Woohoo
http://www.kirotv.com/s/news/live-event/

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Post by CuriousPortlander Wed Oct 09, 2013 9:30 pm


Jury now has Pietz case

Posted on October 9, 2013 at 5:27 PM  Updated today at 5:40 PM

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To prosecutors, David Pietz's story is completely unbelievable. Several times during closing arguments on Wednesday they summed it up in one word.

“Really?” asked prosecutor Kristin Richardson. Richardson told jurors that Pietz wanted out of his marriage, and in a fit of rage strangled his wife Nicole in January of 2006.

“We know he is an extraordinarily cold and callous man,” she said. “The kind of man who does something just like this.”
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Read more:  http://www.king5.com/news/Jury-now-has-Pietz-case-227152571.html
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Post by Nan11 Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:00 am

https://youtu.be/GUV82IhGMqw  The TawniDilly | Martin Pietz Trial. Oct 9. Prosecution Closing Arguments. Part 1
► Judge Reads Jury Instructions @ About 49:38
► State’s Closing Arguments Begin:   @ About 1:05 minutes.


https://youtu.be/PXYWwbeVtjs  The TawniDilly | Martin Pietz Trial. Oct 9. Closing Arguments. Part 2
► State’s Closing Arguments Continue for Full Length of Tape.


https://youtu.be/bANr4t5RLqc  The TawniDilly | Martin Pietz Trial. Oct 9. Defense Closing Arguments. Part 3
► Defense Closing Arguments @ About 9:10 minutes.
► State’s Rebuttal Portion of the Closing Arguments:  @ About 2:08:07
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Post by Nan11 Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:52 am

This is a link from yesterday's Good Morning America show.  Sometimes I really feel that news people watch a different trial than I do.  Nicole Pietz--Found Deceased On Feb. 6, 2006 - Page 2 Dont-no-smiley  

Here is a short transcription of a statement Dan Abrams makes near the end of the video.

@ About 3:43 minutes
Dan Abrams:  "But they are going to have to piece together this puzzle.  And I think that their concern is going to be that the jurors will think, “Yeah.  He definitely could have done this; yeah, I definitely have suspicions that he did this—but, do we have proof beyond a reasonable doubt.”"

ABC News | David Pietz Murder Trial: Prosecutors Point to Failed Lie-Detector Test

Oct. 8, 2013 | By NEAL KARLINSKY, Reporter | via Good Morning America


Monday was among the most difficult days in court for Nicole Pietz' family, when pictures of her battered body were shown to the jury.

Prosecutors tried to prove the injuries to her body show that she wasn't just strangled by a stranger on the street, as has been suggested by a witness, but by someone lying on top of her, as they believe her husband David was.

"That scenario could be consistent with the type of bruising that we're seeing," Medical Examiner Dr. Brian Mazrian told the court.


Read more:  http://abcnews.go.com/US/david-pietz-murder-trial-prosecutors-point-failed-lie/story?id=20504960
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Post by ishi Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:09 am

You know I just watched the prosecution closing remarks again and watched the jury leave and what we see when they leave is just the front row of the jury apparently so the second row of jurors must come in behind the camera man and have their own set of steps up to the jury box.
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Post by ishi Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:17 pm

No feed on kiro? Holy cow how are we supposed to know when the jury comes back?
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Post by One Wonders Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:38 pm

First thank you Nan and Curious Portlander for all the great links.
Yes, Ishi how will we know?
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Post by Nan11 Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:41 pm

Good question, One and Ishi!

http://www.kirotv.com/s/news/live/

I can hear voices on the feed right now. I don't know if the jury is coming back with a question or what is up.
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Post by Nan11 Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:49 pm

It's all gone quite now, and the feed has gone black.

I'm hoping HLN might announce when they come back with a verdict.

Following is a link to a KIRO reporters tweet.  This lady covered the trial everyday.

https://twitter.com/Amy_Clancy

She just posted this link for us, saying we could watch the verdict live:

http://www.kirotv.com/s/news/live/

If you scroll down a ways, you should see a tweet where she said that the judge had decided that the jury will not deliberate on Friday.

It might be a coincidence, but I think we are going to have a verdict soon.

Maybe before their lunch.  I think it's about ten minutes to ten, their time, right now.

I'm pretty nervous about this.


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Post by ishi Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:50 pm

I couldn't get the feed up! Will try again. Thank you Nan!
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Post by ishi Thu Oct 10, 2013 12:52 pm

Ok so if something happens then the feed should come alive again. I am also watching her twitter page. I hope you are right Nan and we get a verdict of guilty today!
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Post by Nan11 Thu Oct 10, 2013 1:04 pm

I'm going to try to leave the stream up.  Right now it is showing a picture of the city, but that is good because it means the feed is active.

As soon as there is any activity in the courtroom it should switch to the courtroom.  Once the sound comes on, I should be able to hear it if I'm away from my computer.

That's my hope, anyway.   Nicole Pietz--Found Deceased On Feb. 6, 2006 - Page 2 Mini-graphics-smileys-822023

My biggest worry is that my feed will freeze and I won't know it, but I plan to check often.
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Post by Nan11 Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:00 pm

Well, I was wrong about a verdict before lunch.  Nicole Pietz--Found Deceased On Feb. 6, 2006 - Page 2 T2677    

They should be back any minute now, and start their deliberations again.  Nicole Pietz--Found Deceased On Feb. 6, 2006 - Page 2 86439924.zW5LpjjQ.crossedfingers  


AMY CLANCY‏@Amy_Clancy 49m
Jurors in the #davidpietz murder trial taking an hour lunch break. Deliberations begin again at 1pm PDT. @KIRO7Seattle

Source for above:  https://twitter.com/Amy_Clancy
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Post by Freckles Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:15 pm

Nothing yet. I was checking.
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Post by Summertime Thu Oct 10, 2013 4:54 pm

And Monday is a holiday, ya know.
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Post by Nan11 Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:35 pm

Summertime wrote:And Monday is a holiday, ya know.  
Nicole Pietz--Found Deceased On Feb. 6, 2006 - Page 2 Banana-waving-goodbye-smiley-emoticon  I'm starting to get very worried, now.  I believe they will be done for the day at about 4:00 pm, no later than 4:30 pm.

That leaves us with an hour and a half to two hours, before the jury will leave for a long weekend.
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Post by Summertime Thu Oct 10, 2013 5:53 pm

Please please let it be over tonight, maybe they are stuck on those jury instructions !
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Post by CuriousPortlander Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:10 pm

I'm really surprised we haven't heard a verdict yet.  I keep hoping for good news.
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Post by Nan11 Thu Oct 10, 2013 6:37 pm

It looks like we are going to have to wait for the verdict--but they are saying the jury will be back Monday at 9AM.

AMY CLANCY‏@Amy_Clancy11m
No verdict in the #DavidPietz murder trial today. http://www.kirotv.com/s/news/live/  @KIRO7Seattle Jurors off tomorrow, back to deliberate Monday at 9AM

AMY CLANCY‏@Amy_Clancy25m
No verdict in the #davidpietz murder trial today! Judge just announced. @kiro7seattle

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Post by Nan11 Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:27 pm

CuriousPortlander wrote:I'm really surprised we haven't heard a verdict yet.  I keep hoping for good news.
Same here, CP.  I kept the live stream link up long enough that I caught the local news at 6 pm.  Amy Clancy did a good piece on it, but I don't believe they have it posted.

She said in her video, and she also tweeted it earlier that Nicole's mom and sister were surprised, too; and now they are a little concerned.

I don't know how to take this, really.  I have so much faith in the state's case that I'm staying positive, but I'm uneasy, too.

Justice for Nicole!    Nicole Pietz--Found Deceased On Feb. 6, 2006 - Page 2 2enc5rd
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Post by Nan11 Fri Oct 11, 2013 9:04 am

I finally found the video from last nights newscast.  (They had it tucked in with an article linked above.)

I'll add just the video down here.
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Post by ishi Fri Oct 11, 2013 1:06 pm

Thank you for the update, Nan! I thought the courts would be closed for Columbus Day on Monday but apparently not since they keep saying the jury will be back in deliberations Monday.
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Post by Nan11 Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:01 am

ishi wrote:Thank you for the update, Nan!  I thought the courts would be closed for Columbus Day on Monday but apparently not since they keep saying the jury will be back in deliberations Monday.
I even saw in a Twitter conversation where someone specifically asked that question, but it received no response.  Nicole Pietz--Found Deceased On Feb. 6, 2006 - Page 2 Dont-no-smiley

I came across the following on Nicole's Facebook page.

Nicole Pietz--Found Deceased On Feb. 6, 2006 - Page 2 2l8gtxe
https://www.facebook.com/NicoleZurcher
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Post by sitemama Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:05 pm

Don't you think the Judge left it up to the jury if they wanted to continue deliberations on Monday, and not wait till Tuesday? I'm sure they want to get to the end of this trial. I know I would have picked to work on Monday.

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Post by Nan11 Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:10 pm

sitemama wrote:Don't you think the Judge left it up to the jury if they wanted to continue deliberations on Monday, and not wait till Tuesday?  I'm sure they want to get to the end of this trial.  I know I would have picked to work on Monday.
Hi, Sitemama!  Nicole Pietz--Found Deceased On Feb. 6, 2006 - Page 2 Hi-skype-smiley

Yes, I agree.  Apparently it is a holiday, though.  (Columbus Day)   I read at W/S that it is mostly a holiday for the banks in WA, so they don't think it is a particularly big deal for the courthouse to be open.
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Post by sitemama Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:39 pm

Our courts are open Monday, even traffic court. As backed up as the courts are, it would have to be a really big Holiday to close them here. I don't know why they bother though, they seem to just give a slap on the wrist, and let them go, to continue to do the same things.
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Post by Nan11 Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:05 pm

This could be the live link, although it is showing only to check back later as of now..
http://www.kirotv.com/s/news/live-event/
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I have this one open, too.  Right now it is just gray, but I noticed on Thursday that when they went live for a few minutes it did come through here.  I think as long as they are not broadcasting live news, this one may work.

I like it a little better because it will stay live.
http://www.kirotv.com/s/news/live/
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Post by Nan11 Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:06 pm

It's live now.
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Post by Nan11 Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:17 pm

The jury heard the voice mail messages left on Nicole's phone on the 28th, plus the interview that the defendant gave to law enforcement.

Now they are back to deliberations, and are allowed coffee!  Nicole Pietz--Found Deceased On Feb. 6, 2006 - Page 2 8-coffeepotB

Nicole Pietz--Found Deceased On Feb. 6, 2006 - Page 2 33uv7v8 Worried?  I hope.
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Post by Nan11 Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:16 pm

We will have a verdict in 15 minutes.
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Post by Nan11 Mon Oct 14, 2013 4:18 pm

Sorry, here is the link.  It is live in the courtroom, but nothing is happening.  Nicole Pietz--Found Deceased On Feb. 6, 2006 - Page 2 Smiley21

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