The trial of Oscar Pistorius for the Valentine's Day killing of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp -- Pretoria, South Africa
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Re: The trial of Oscar Pistorius for the Valentine's Day killing of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp -- Pretoria, South Africa
OP states Taylor and Fresco BOTH lied to the courts when they said he had fired thru the sunroof!!! Nel points out to the court the two do not/did not have ANY communication with each other. Their friendship is only thru OP....
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Putting on the legs: Time spent
"Chuck Tucker · Santa Fe College
You asked what amount of time it takes to put prosthetic legs on, I'm a double below knee amputee also... You first have a liner that rolls up your leg with a pin at the bottom so your bnleg hooks to it. then your legs snap in to that pin ( that locks into it) Total time about 3 - 4 minutes
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IMO: IF OP had taken the time to put his legs on AFTER he had shot Reeva, would the rest of his story had fit together as he said it happened?
"Chuck Tucker · Santa Fe College
You asked what amount of time it takes to put prosthetic legs on, I'm a double below knee amputee also... You first have a liner that rolls up your leg with a pin at the bottom so your bnleg hooks to it. then your legs snap in to that pin ( that locks into it) Total time about 3 - 4 minutes
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· 1 · April 7 at 11:08am "
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IMO: IF OP had taken the time to put his legs on AFTER he had shot Reeva, would the rest of his story had fit together as he said it happened?
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Oscar Pistorius trial: Prosecution tells Olympian 'your version is a lie'
April 11, 2014
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Pistorius accused of altering story
RAW VISION: it's the second day of taxing cross-examination of South African track star Oscar Pistorius, accused of intentionally gunning down his model-girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp on Valentine's Day last year.
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/oscar-pistorius-trial-prosecution-tells-olympian-your-version-is-a-lie-20140411-36gik.html
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April 11, 2014
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Pistorius accused of altering story
RAW VISION: it's the second day of taxing cross-examination of South African track star Oscar Pistorius, accused of intentionally gunning down his model-girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp on Valentine's Day last year.
Read more:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/oscar-pistorius-trial-prosecution-tells-olympian-your-version-is-a-lie-20140411-36gik.html
(Very informative article)
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Oscar Pistorius admits he had no reason to fire shots that killed girlfriend
Paralympian questioned about another incident in which gun went off in his possession and is accused of lying
David Smith in Pretoria
theguardian.com, Thursday 10 April 2014
Oscar Pistorius has admitted he had "no reason" to fire the shots that killed his girlfriend as a prosecutor grilled him about another incident in which a gun went off in his possession.
The Paralympic sprinter insisted he killed Reeva Steenkamp by accident at his home on Valentine's Day last year, but could not explain why he pulled the trigger.
Pistorius, 27, spent a full day under gruelling cross-examination by prosecutor Gerrie Nel at the high court in Pretoria, South Africa. Pistorius claimed he thought he had heard an intruder, but repeatedly refused to say he intended to shoot anyone.
Nel challenged him: "We know for a fact there were no intruders in your house that night, we know for a fact there was no ladder against the wall. We know for a fact that you had no reason to shoot, objectively speaking."
Pistorius told the judge: "That's correct, my lady."
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Paralympian questioned about another incident in which gun went off in his possession and is accused of lying
David Smith in Pretoria
theguardian.com, Thursday 10 April 2014
Oscar Pistorius has admitted he had "no reason" to fire the shots that killed his girlfriend as a prosecutor grilled him about another incident in which a gun went off in his possession.
The Paralympic sprinter insisted he killed Reeva Steenkamp by accident at his home on Valentine's Day last year, but could not explain why he pulled the trigger.
Pistorius, 27, spent a full day under gruelling cross-examination by prosecutor Gerrie Nel at the high court in Pretoria, South Africa. Pistorius claimed he thought he had heard an intruder, but repeatedly refused to say he intended to shoot anyone.
Nel challenged him: "We know for a fact there were no intruders in your house that night, we know for a fact there was no ladder against the wall. We know for a fact that you had no reason to shoot, objectively speaking."
Pistorius told the judge: "That's correct, my lady."
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/10/oscar-pistorius-admits-no-reason-fire-shots-killed-girlfriend
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Oscar Pistorius' Version of Shooting 'So Improbable,' Prosecutor Says
PRETORIA, South Africa April 10, 2014
By DAN GOOD and LIEZL THOM via GOOD MORNING AMERICA
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Pistorius Prosecutor Blasts Apology as 'Spectacle in Court'
The prosecutor grilling Oscar Pistorius scoffed today at his explanations for what happened the night he killed girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, saying it was "so improbable" that no one could believe it was true.
During a day of questioning that was at times testy and sarcastic, prosecutor Gerrie Nel got Pistorius to repeatedly deny blame for killing Steenkamp or having a gun discharge in a restaurant and denying an accusation that he once fired a gun out the sunroof of a car.
After recounting how Pistorius did not think it was "negligent" to have left his gun wrapped in a towel on a boat while he went swimming, Nel exclaimed, “It’s the strangest day today. You just don’t take responsibility for anything. You just don’t do anything wrong.”
Earlier, Nel ridiculed Pistorius for opening his defense with an apology to Steenkamp's family, saying he had no regard for the feelings of Steenkamp’s relatives and could have apologized in private -- but instead he waited more than a year, wanting to create a spectacle at court.
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PRETORIA, South Africa April 10, 2014
By DAN GOOD and LIEZL THOM via GOOD MORNING AMERICA
ABC US News | ABC Business News
Pistorius Prosecutor Blasts Apology as 'Spectacle in Court'
The prosecutor grilling Oscar Pistorius scoffed today at his explanations for what happened the night he killed girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp, saying it was "so improbable" that no one could believe it was true.
During a day of questioning that was at times testy and sarcastic, prosecutor Gerrie Nel got Pistorius to repeatedly deny blame for killing Steenkamp or having a gun discharge in a restaurant and denying an accusation that he once fired a gun out the sunroof of a car.
After recounting how Pistorius did not think it was "negligent" to have left his gun wrapped in a towel on a boat while he went swimming, Nel exclaimed, “It’s the strangest day today. You just don’t take responsibility for anything. You just don’t do anything wrong.”
Earlier, Nel ridiculed Pistorius for opening his defense with an apology to Steenkamp's family, saying he had no regard for the feelings of Steenkamp’s relatives and could have apologized in private -- but instead he waited more than a year, wanting to create a spectacle at court.
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http://abcnews.go.com/International/oscar-pistorius-version-shooting-improbable-prosecutor/story?id=23268895
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Pistorius cross examination gets combative
Anderson Cooper 360|Added on April 10, 2014Oscar Pistorius faced a new round of tough questions from prosecutors during cross examination. Robyn Curnow reports
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Moment of Truth for Oscar Pistorius
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Published on Apr 10, 2014
Prosecutor known as "Bull Terrier" grills blade runner over the word accidentally and his love for Steenkamp.
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TODAY | April 10, 2014
Oscar Pistorius: ‘I never told Reeva I loved her’
As the Pistorius trial continues, prosecutors called the athlete an egomaniac who tried to control his late girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp. Pistorius said he never got the chance to tell her he loved her. NBC national investigative correspondent Jeff Rossen reports from South Africa.
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Oscar Pistorius Trial: Thursday 10 April 2014, Session 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_o_S84TzGY
Oscar Pistorius Trial: Thursday 10 April 2014, Session 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSCFD2hp90k
Oscar Pistorius Trial: Thursday 10 April 2014, Session 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwzV3uB9UrI
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Pistorious says he did not see Reeva get out of bed: Patricia Visagie reports
Published on Apr 10, 2014
Murder-accused paralympian Oscar Pistorius conceded under cross-examination in the High Court in Pretoria on Thursday that he was negligent with the magazines of his guns. However, he denied that he fired a shot out of a sunroof of a car on September 30, 2012. He accused his ex-girlfriend and a friend of lying under oath,
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Prosecutor accuses Oscar Pistorius of repeatedly lying at trial
By Robyn Dixon
April 10, 2014, 2:43 p.m.
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The prosecution alleges that the couple had fought and that Steenkamp ran screaming to the toilet and locked herself in before Pistorius shot her.
Nel relentlessly painted a portrait of a self-absorbed man who wouldn't take responsibility for wrongdoing, was negligent with firearms and ammunition and didn't recognize a police officer's right to confiscate a loaded gun that Pistorius had left unattended on a car seat.
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"Pistorius said his gun safe "possessed items that belonged to me and my father," including .38-caliber ammunition for which he had no license. At another point he said a Glock pistol in his hand fired by itself at a restaurant, and he repeatedly insisted he had never pulled the trigger. A ballistics expert has testified that the gun cannot fire unless the trigger is pulled.
When the prosecutor told him it was illegal to keep the ammunition in his safe without a license, Pistorius responded, "It's not my understanding of the law."
"This is the second time today," Nel mockingly replied, referring to the possession of the ammunition. "First we had the miraculous discharge of a gun. Now when I say it's illegal, you won't accept it."
Pistorius has pleaded not guilty to the murder of Steenkamp; to unlicensed possession of .38-caliber ammunition; and to two counts of recklessly discharging the firearm, at a restaurant and from a car.
Pistorius said his late girlfriend "exaggerated" in a WhatsApp message to him complaining that he threw public tantrums, frightened her and picked on her incessantly.
"I didn't pick on her in any way. I was good to Reeva," the athlete said. "Reeva was never scared of me."
Nel also suggested that after a disagreement at a function with Steenkamp, the athlete asked a friend in the car to put on an album by musician Kendrick Lamar, with the track "Bitch, Don't Kill My Vibe," upsetting Steenkamp. She mentioned in a WhatsApp message to Pistorius after the row that "I am not some other bitch you may know trying to kill your vibe." Pistorius said he couldn't remember what song upset his girlfriend.
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http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-pistorius-denials-20140411,0,2360509.story#ixzz2yXeZ5KFB
By Robyn Dixon
April 10, 2014, 2:43 p.m.
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The prosecution alleges that the couple had fought and that Steenkamp ran screaming to the toilet and locked herself in before Pistorius shot her.
Nel relentlessly painted a portrait of a self-absorbed man who wouldn't take responsibility for wrongdoing, was negligent with firearms and ammunition and didn't recognize a police officer's right to confiscate a loaded gun that Pistorius had left unattended on a car seat.
~Snipped~
"Pistorius said his gun safe "possessed items that belonged to me and my father," including .38-caliber ammunition for which he had no license. At another point he said a Glock pistol in his hand fired by itself at a restaurant, and he repeatedly insisted he had never pulled the trigger. A ballistics expert has testified that the gun cannot fire unless the trigger is pulled.
When the prosecutor told him it was illegal to keep the ammunition in his safe without a license, Pistorius responded, "It's not my understanding of the law."
"This is the second time today," Nel mockingly replied, referring to the possession of the ammunition. "First we had the miraculous discharge of a gun. Now when I say it's illegal, you won't accept it."
Pistorius has pleaded not guilty to the murder of Steenkamp; to unlicensed possession of .38-caliber ammunition; and to two counts of recklessly discharging the firearm, at a restaurant and from a car.
Pistorius said his late girlfriend "exaggerated" in a WhatsApp message to him complaining that he threw public tantrums, frightened her and picked on her incessantly.
"I didn't pick on her in any way. I was good to Reeva," the athlete said. "Reeva was never scared of me."
Nel also suggested that after a disagreement at a function with Steenkamp, the athlete asked a friend in the car to put on an album by musician Kendrick Lamar, with the track "Bitch, Don't Kill My Vibe," upsetting Steenkamp. She mentioned in a WhatsApp message to Pistorius after the row that "I am not some other bitch you may know trying to kill your vibe." Pistorius said he couldn't remember what song upset his girlfriend.
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http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-pistorius-denials-20140411,0,2360509.story#ixzz2yXeZ5KFB
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Chilling: The paintings were presented by Reeva Steenkamp's grieving parents in a documentary which is set to air tonight, a day before Pistorius appears in the dock for a pre-trial hearing
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Past: A gunman can be seen in the canvas that the model put together in her youth
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Oscar Pistorius Trial: Friday 11 April 2014, Session 1
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'Pistorius is lying his head off... he shot my sister in a fit of rage': Reeva's family reveal horror at 'smirking' Bladerunner they face in court
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Oscar Pistorius’s Trigger
Posted by Amy Davidson
April 11, 2014
What does it mean to fire a gun “accidentally”? If you point a gun at the door to a tiny cubicle, believing, you say, that a person is behind it, and fire four shots, can you also say, “I didn’t shoot at anyone. I didn’t intend to shoot at someone.… I didn’t shoot or intend to kill anyone”? That is the testimony of Oscar Pistorius, who is on trial for murdering his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp. In a remarkable few days of cross-examination, Pistorius, an Olympian and a Paralympic sprinter, has, according to press accounts, placed the blame for his legal predicament on the police, his friends, his father, an ex-girlfriend, his own lawyers, and Steenkamp herself, who was behind the door when he shot. His defense is that he thought she was a burglar. Addressing the judge, he said, “My lady, I wish she had let me know she was there.”
But, then, guns behave strangely in Pistorius’s hands. As he tells it, they have an eerie autonomy. “I didn’t have time to think,” he has said, over and over again—only to pull the trigger, and pull it three more times again—as if the absence of thought attached to that act, the power of the gun, was an absolution. And sometimes, the trigger even pulls itself. Pistorius is being tried for Steenkamp’s murder, and for two other incidents in which he allegedly fired a gun. One was in a restaurant, when he asked to see a friend’s gun and took it from him under the table. While it was in his hands, and no one else’s, a bullet was fired. On the stand, he said that his friend was “stupid” to give him a loaded gun—and that, anyway, he, Oscar Pistorius, didn’t fire it. “I physically didn’t discharge it. It went off when it was in my possession, but I did not have my finger on the trigger,” he said.
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Posted by Amy Davidson
April 11, 2014
What does it mean to fire a gun “accidentally”? If you point a gun at the door to a tiny cubicle, believing, you say, that a person is behind it, and fire four shots, can you also say, “I didn’t shoot at anyone. I didn’t intend to shoot at someone.… I didn’t shoot or intend to kill anyone”? That is the testimony of Oscar Pistorius, who is on trial for murdering his girlfriend, Reeva Steenkamp. In a remarkable few days of cross-examination, Pistorius, an Olympian and a Paralympic sprinter, has, according to press accounts, placed the blame for his legal predicament on the police, his friends, his father, an ex-girlfriend, his own lawyers, and Steenkamp herself, who was behind the door when he shot. His defense is that he thought she was a burglar. Addressing the judge, he said, “My lady, I wish she had let me know she was there.”
But, then, guns behave strangely in Pistorius’s hands. As he tells it, they have an eerie autonomy. “I didn’t have time to think,” he has said, over and over again—only to pull the trigger, and pull it three more times again—as if the absence of thought attached to that act, the power of the gun, was an absolution. And sometimes, the trigger even pulls itself. Pistorius is being tried for Steenkamp’s murder, and for two other incidents in which he allegedly fired a gun. One was in a restaurant, when he asked to see a friend’s gun and took it from him under the table. While it was in his hands, and no one else’s, a bullet was fired. On the stand, he said that his friend was “stupid” to give him a loaded gun—and that, anyway, he, Oscar Pistorius, didn’t fire it. “I physically didn’t discharge it. It went off when it was in my possession, but I did not have my finger on the trigger,” he said.
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Nel: Pistorius rushed to danger
PRETORIA - Prosecutor Gerrie Nel on Friday asked Oscar Pistorius why Reeva Steenkamp did not scream out that she was in the bathroom after he shouted there was an intruder in the house.
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Speaking in the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria, the prosecutor, known as the ‘bull terrier’, asked the athlete whether Steenkamp screamed when he opened fire.
“How can you say that nobody screamed during the shots,” Nel asked.
“I cannot say no-one screamed during the shots. I can say no-one screamed. There weren’t women screaming. There wasn’t a woman screaming or shouting,” Pistorius said.
Pistorius testified Steenkamp never screamed when he fired the four shots through the door.
The athlete said he screamed very loudly while in the bathroom for the intruder to get out and again for Steenkamp to call for help.
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PRETORIA - Prosecutor Gerrie Nel on Friday asked Oscar Pistorius why Reeva Steenkamp did not scream out that she was in the bathroom after he shouted there was an intruder in the house.
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Speaking in the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria, the prosecutor, known as the ‘bull terrier’, asked the athlete whether Steenkamp screamed when he opened fire.
“How can you say that nobody screamed during the shots,” Nel asked.
“I cannot say no-one screamed during the shots. I can say no-one screamed. There weren’t women screaming. There wasn’t a woman screaming or shouting,” Pistorius said.
Pistorius testified Steenkamp never screamed when he fired the four shots through the door.
The athlete said he screamed very loudly while in the bathroom for the intruder to get out and again for Steenkamp to call for help.
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Oscar: I didn't look at Reeva before shooting
2014-04-11 19:22
Pretoria - Oscar Pistorius on Friday told his murder trial he never looked at Reeva Steenkamp before he rushed to confront a suspected intruder and fired the shots that killed her.
Pistorius testified that he "whispered" to his girlfriend to ring the police, in the belief that she was still in bed, but kept his gaze away from her to the passage door.
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Prosecutor Gerrie Nel, cross-examining Pistorius for a third day, said it was hard to understand why the paralympian sprinter failed to make sure that his lover was safe.
"You were right next to her in a situation of danger but you did not take the time to talk to her," Nel said incredulously.
"A reasonable person would have looked where Reeva was to see if she was safe ... but you just grabbed a gun."
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2014-04-11 19:22
Pretoria - Oscar Pistorius on Friday told his murder trial he never looked at Reeva Steenkamp before he rushed to confront a suspected intruder and fired the shots that killed her.
Pistorius testified that he "whispered" to his girlfriend to ring the police, in the belief that she was still in bed, but kept his gaze away from her to the passage door.
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Prosecutor Gerrie Nel, cross-examining Pistorius for a third day, said it was hard to understand why the paralympian sprinter failed to make sure that his lover was safe.
"You were right next to her in a situation of danger but you did not take the time to talk to her," Nel said incredulously.
"A reasonable person would have looked where Reeva was to see if she was safe ... but you just grabbed a gun."
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Oscar Pistorius flounders under grilling on 'improbable' testimony
Prosecutor asks why, if Pistorius shouted to Reeva Steenkamp to call police, she did not respond from inside toilet cubicle
David Smith in Pretoria
theguardian.com, Friday 11 April 2014 11.05
Oscar Pistorius has denied that his girlfriend was standing behind a door talking to him when he shot and killed her, during a floundering performance under cross-examination at his trial in Pretoria.
In a rare intervention that is likely to worry the defence, at one point the judge, Thokozile Masipa, asked Pistorius why he was making mistakes on the stand.
The prosecutor, Gerrie Nel, gradually zeroed in on the critical moment when the athlete crept into his bathroom with a 9mm pistol and shot four times. Forensic experts have testified that Reeva Steenkamp was probably standing behind the locked toilet cubicle door when she was hit by the first bullet, then fell backwards.
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Pistorius asserted that when he entered the bathroom he shouted to Steenkamp to call the police, so Nel demanded to know why she did not respond, describing it as the "most improbable" part of his story.The prosecutor said: "At that stage when you shouted at Reeva to phone the police, she was three metres away from you in the toilet, but she didn't say anything. Why would she not say anything?" Pistorius said he did not know.
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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/11/oscar-pistorius-flounders-improbable-testimony?CMP=twt_gu
Prosecutor asks why, if Pistorius shouted to Reeva Steenkamp to call police, she did not respond from inside toilet cubicle
David Smith in Pretoria
theguardian.com, Friday 11 April 2014 11.05
Oscar Pistorius has denied that his girlfriend was standing behind a door talking to him when he shot and killed her, during a floundering performance under cross-examination at his trial in Pretoria.
In a rare intervention that is likely to worry the defence, at one point the judge, Thokozile Masipa, asked Pistorius why he was making mistakes on the stand.
The prosecutor, Gerrie Nel, gradually zeroed in on the critical moment when the athlete crept into his bathroom with a 9mm pistol and shot four times. Forensic experts have testified that Reeva Steenkamp was probably standing behind the locked toilet cubicle door when she was hit by the first bullet, then fell backwards.
~Snipped~
Pistorius asserted that when he entered the bathroom he shouted to Steenkamp to call the police, so Nel demanded to know why she did not respond, describing it as the "most improbable" part of his story.The prosecutor said: "At that stage when you shouted at Reeva to phone the police, she was three metres away from you in the toilet, but she didn't say anything. Why would she not say anything?" Pistorius said he did not know.
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ABC US News | ABC Business News
More High Drama at the Oscar Pistorius Trial
After three days of intense grilling by the prosecution, the blade runner is showing signs of strain.
02:44 | 04/11/2014
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/high-drama-oscar-pistorius-trial-23298064
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Criminal Law of South Africa
- Prof James Grant PhD (Criminal Law), Associate Professor of Law, University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, SA
Pistorius’s New Defence?
Posted: April 13, 2014
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- Prof James Grant PhD (Criminal Law), Associate Professor of Law, University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, SA
Pistorius’s New Defence?
Posted: April 13, 2014
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Oscar’s 31 seconds of silence
Charl du Plessis
13 April 2014 15:00
Thirty-one seconds – that’s how long Oscar Pistorius was silent for when asked by Prosecutor Gerrie Nel if he heard Reeva Steenkamp scream after he fired the first of four shots that killed her.
Late on the second day of what has been a sustained and brutal cross-examination, Nel said: “Are you sure, Mr Pistorius, that Reeva didn’t scream after you fired the first shot?”
Oscar slumped back in his chair and kept quiet for 31 seconds. Court GD in Pretoria was utterly silent.
On the audio recording, all that can be heard is Nel again asking “Are you sure?” after five seconds of silence had passed.
Eleven seconds later, a man can be heard taking a deep breath and slowly exhaling. Surprisingly, it is Nel who breaks the silence to come to Pistorius’ rescue, saying: “My Lady, I’m giving the witness time to console himself, he is distressed”.
“I wouldn’t have done that,” said an experienced former prosecutor.
“I would have kept quiet and counted and then when he finally said something, I would have said: ‘That took you four and a half minutes. What were you thinking about?’’’
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http://www.citypress.co.za/news/oscars-31-seconds-silence/
Charl du Plessis
13 April 2014 15:00
Thirty-one seconds – that’s how long Oscar Pistorius was silent for when asked by Prosecutor Gerrie Nel if he heard Reeva Steenkamp scream after he fired the first of four shots that killed her.
Late on the second day of what has been a sustained and brutal cross-examination, Nel said: “Are you sure, Mr Pistorius, that Reeva didn’t scream after you fired the first shot?”
Oscar slumped back in his chair and kept quiet for 31 seconds. Court GD in Pretoria was utterly silent.
On the audio recording, all that can be heard is Nel again asking “Are you sure?” after five seconds of silence had passed.
Eleven seconds later, a man can be heard taking a deep breath and slowly exhaling. Surprisingly, it is Nel who breaks the silence to come to Pistorius’ rescue, saying: “My Lady, I’m giving the witness time to console himself, he is distressed”.
“I wouldn’t have done that,” said an experienced former prosecutor.
“I would have kept quiet and counted and then when he finally said something, I would have said: ‘That took you four and a half minutes. What were you thinking about?’’’
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http://www.citypress.co.za/news/oscars-31-seconds-silence/
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Chief prosecutor in Oscar Pistorius murder trial makes mark with dogged cross-examination
Christopher Torchia, The Associated Press Apr 13, 2014 10:51:07 AM
PRETORIA, South Africa – Prosecutor Gerrie Nel fired another tough question at murder suspect Oscar Pistorius.
“Are you sure, Mr Pistorius, that Reeva did not scream after you fired the first shot?” asked Nel.
The athlete, who earlier said he was tired and struggling under the relentless interrogation, leaned back in the witness box and remained silent. The wood-lined courtroom in South Africa was hushed and expectant on Friday. Was Pistorius thinking through an answer, or was he on the verge of an emotional outburst, or was he reflecting on his predicament and Reeva Steenkamp, the girlfriend he killed in his home last year?
After a tense pause, the Olympic athlete said he wished Steenkamp had let him know she was in the toilet cubicle where he shot her — by mistake, according to his account. He said she did not scream, but also that his ears were ringing with the gunshot and he would not have heard screams.
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http://www.680news.com/2014/04/13/chief-prosecutor-in-oscar-pistorius-murder-trial-makes-mark-with-dogged-cross-examination/
Christopher Torchia, The Associated Press Apr 13, 2014 10:51:07 AM
PRETORIA, South Africa – Prosecutor Gerrie Nel fired another tough question at murder suspect Oscar Pistorius.
“Are you sure, Mr Pistorius, that Reeva did not scream after you fired the first shot?” asked Nel.
The athlete, who earlier said he was tired and struggling under the relentless interrogation, leaned back in the witness box and remained silent. The wood-lined courtroom in South Africa was hushed and expectant on Friday. Was Pistorius thinking through an answer, or was he on the verge of an emotional outburst, or was he reflecting on his predicament and Reeva Steenkamp, the girlfriend he killed in his home last year?
After a tense pause, the Olympic athlete said he wished Steenkamp had let him know she was in the toilet cubicle where he shot her — by mistake, according to his account. He said she did not scream, but also that his ears were ringing with the gunshot and he would not have heard screams.
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#OscarPistorius SA Sunday papers largely v negative towards the country's former 'hero' pic.twitter.com/9pN6mH15Wm
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#OscarPistorius SA Sunday papers largely v negative towards the country's former 'hero' pic.twitter.com/9pN6mH15Wm
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Thank you to Freckles and AD for keeping this thread updated. I read here as much as possible but with working and taking care of family it's hard to post much. So, again, a big thank you to all who have kept this thread going. It's much appreciated!!!
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Reeva Steenkamp's sister Simone tells of the morning she woke up in her Cambridgeshire home to hear her sister had been shot dead by Oscar Pistorius
Written by DEBRA FOX
The sister of Reeva Steenkamp has told how her quiet life in a Cambridgeshire village was shattered after finding out her “baby sister” had been shot dead by her boyfriend Oscar Pistorius.
Simone Steenkamp – who, up until Reeva’s death, lived in Cambridgeshire – was woken in the early morning of Valentine’s Day last year with the news.
She said: “It was 6am and I was hearing that my little sister had been shot dead. I just froze, I was dazed. I got up and went outside in my pyjamas, shivering from the cold and the shock.
“A neighbour called to ask if I was all right and I said I didn’t think so. I couldn’t stop shivering, then I phoned my mother and began to realise this terrible nightmare was really true.”
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Written by DEBRA FOX
The sister of Reeva Steenkamp has told how her quiet life in a Cambridgeshire village was shattered after finding out her “baby sister” had been shot dead by her boyfriend Oscar Pistorius.
Simone Steenkamp – who, up until Reeva’s death, lived in Cambridgeshire – was woken in the early morning of Valentine’s Day last year with the news.
She said: “It was 6am and I was hearing that my little sister had been shot dead. I just froze, I was dazed. I got up and went outside in my pyjamas, shivering from the cold and the shock.
“A neighbour called to ask if I was all right and I said I didn’t think so. I couldn’t stop shivering, then I phoned my mother and began to realise this terrible nightmare was really true.”
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Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · Apr 11
#OscarPistorius Nel: There's no way you can convince a court that she just stood there and said nothing
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · Apr 11
#OscarPistorius Nel suggests he is tripping over himself and making mistakes because he is trying to stick to a version which is made up
https://twitter.com/AlexCrawfordSky
#OscarPistorius Nel: There's no way you can convince a court that she just stood there and said nothing
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · Apr 11
#OscarPistorius Nel suggests he is tripping over himself and making mistakes because he is trying to stick to a version which is made up
https://twitter.com/AlexCrawfordSky
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Pistorius lied to the media: Report
2014-04-13 07:41
Cape Town - After a harrowing week in court and being cross-examined in the dock, Oscar Pistorius has now also been accused of lying to the public by the Sunday Times newspaper.
According to the newspaper, Pistorius, who was desperate to protect his public image and his lucrative sponsorship deals, lied to cover up an assault in December 2012 and also lied about his relationship in January last year with Reeva Steenkamp.
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http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Oscar_Pistorius/Pistorius-lied-to-the-media-Report-20140413
2014-04-13 07:41
Cape Town - After a harrowing week in court and being cross-examined in the dock, Oscar Pistorius has now also been accused of lying to the public by the Sunday Times newspaper.
According to the newspaper, Pistorius, who was desperate to protect his public image and his lucrative sponsorship deals, lied to cover up an assault in December 2012 and also lied about his relationship in January last year with Reeva Steenkamp.
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http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Oscar_Pistorius/Pistorius-lied-to-the-media-Report-20140413
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Oscar Pistorius Told Court No Need to Report Criminal Incidents to Police
Added by Penny Swift on April 13, 2014.
South Africa, World
World-famous murder-accused Paralympian athlete, Oscar Pistorius admitted in the Pretoria High Court on Friday he has never reported a crime at a police station. This was in spite of evidence previously given in court that he has been a frequent victim of crime. He told the court he believed there was no need to report the numerous criminal incidents to the police because they would not have been able to do anything about the crimes.
State prosecutor Advocate Gerrie Nel (above), asked why he had never “complained about a crime” since he has consistently maintained he has been exposed to so much crime. Pistorius replied that when his house was broken into he did not have insurance and so there was not reason to go and report the crime. When he was shot at on a busy highway he did not report the matter to the police because he did not think they would be able to do anything about it. When he was assaulted in December 2012, he said he did not want to go to the police because he had been told the assailant “had connections at the police station.” On this occasion he reported the incident to the Hawks, South Africa’s special investigating unit set up to get rid of corruption and organized crime. When someone kicked his dog in the yard of a previous house he owned, he called the police but did not open a case because there had not been a break in.
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http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/oscar-pistorius-told-court-no-need-to-report-criminal-incidents-to-police/
Added by Penny Swift on April 13, 2014.
South Africa, World
World-famous murder-accused Paralympian athlete, Oscar Pistorius admitted in the Pretoria High Court on Friday he has never reported a crime at a police station. This was in spite of evidence previously given in court that he has been a frequent victim of crime. He told the court he believed there was no need to report the numerous criminal incidents to the police because they would not have been able to do anything about the crimes.
State prosecutor Advocate Gerrie Nel (above), asked why he had never “complained about a crime” since he has consistently maintained he has been exposed to so much crime. Pistorius replied that when his house was broken into he did not have insurance and so there was not reason to go and report the crime. When he was shot at on a busy highway he did not report the matter to the police because he did not think they would be able to do anything about it. When he was assaulted in December 2012, he said he did not want to go to the police because he had been told the assailant “had connections at the police station.” On this occasion he reported the incident to the Hawks, South Africa’s special investigating unit set up to get rid of corruption and organized crime. When someone kicked his dog in the yard of a previous house he owned, he called the police but did not open a case because there had not been a break in.
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Full document – Oscar Pistorius indictment
http://www.scribd.com/doc/185695401/Full-document-%E2%80%93-Oscar-Pistorius-indictment
Oscar Pistorius affidavit
http://www.scribd.com/doc/126352744/Oscar-Pistorius-affidavit
http://www.scribd.com/doc/185695401/Full-document-%E2%80%93-Oscar-Pistorius-indictment
Oscar Pistorius affidavit
http://www.scribd.com/doc/126352744/Oscar-Pistorius-affidavit
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Oscar Pistorius Goes Under Grueling Cross Examination
Matt Gutman reports from South Africa.
ABCNews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIWYMbZ7C2I&feature=youtu.be
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Thank you to Freckles and AD for keeping this thread updated. I read here as much as possible but with working and taking care of family it's hard to post much. So, again, a big thank you to all who have kept this thread going. It's much appreciated!!!
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Alessandra_Deux wrote:Oscar Pistorius Told Court No Need to Report Criminal Incidents to Police
Added by Penny Swift on April 13, 2014.
South Africa, World
World-famous murder-accused Paralympian athlete, Oscar Pistorius admitted in the Pretoria High Court on Friday he has never reported a crime at a police station. This was in spite of evidence previously given in court that he has been a frequent victim of crime. He told the court he believed there was no need to report the numerous criminal incidents to the police because they would not have been able to do anything about the crimes.
State prosecutor Advocate Gerrie Nel (above), asked why he had never “complained about a crime” since he has consistently maintained he has been exposed to so much crime. Pistorius replied that when his house was broken into he did not have insurance and so there was not reason to go and report the crime. When he was shot at on a busy highway he did not report the matter to the police because he did not think they would be able to do anything about it. When he was assaulted in December 2012, he said he did not want to go to the police because he had been told the assailant “had connections at the police station.” On this occasion he reported the incident to the Hawks, South Africa’s special investigating unit set up to get rid of corruption and organized crime. When someone kicked his dog in the yard of a previous house he owned, he called the police but did not open a case because there had not been a break in.
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http://guardianlv.com/2014/04/oscar-pistorius-told-court-no-need-to-report-criminal-incidents-to-police/
He is too full of himself! I see a person who believes he is self entitled to everything including his own emotions and his anger.
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Alessandra_Deux wrote:Criminal Law of South Africa
- Prof James Grant PhD (Criminal Law), Associate Professor of Law, University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg, SA
Pistorius’s New Defence?
Posted: April 13, 2014
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Excellent find! Thank you for posting, AD.
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" .... For Pistorius, this means that, having conceded that he acted unlawfully, if the state can show that he foresaw the possibility (and reconciled himself to the risk) that he was not under attack, that any supposed attack had not actually commenced and was not imminent, or that no legally protected interest was truly under threat, he may be regarded as having intended to act unlawfully and can be convicted of murder. Alternatively, even if Pistorius was genuinely mistaken in respect of all of the requirements of the attack, he may also be convicted of murder if he foresaw the possibility that one of the requirements of the response may not have been satisfied. He can be convicted of murder if the state can show that he foresaw the possibility (and reconciled himself to that risk) that he was not acting against the supposed attacker, that force was not necessary, or that the extent of force used was not necessary and reasonable......"
From sister link given above:
http://criminallawza.net/2014/03/03/the-pistorius-defence/
This explains WHY advocate/atty Nels, prosecutor, keeps drilling home the fact OP was NOT in any danger as it was Reeva in the toilet area. There were NO intruders in the home at that time.
From sister link given above:
http://criminallawza.net/2014/03/03/the-pistorius-defence/
This explains WHY advocate/atty Nels, prosecutor, keeps drilling home the fact OP was NOT in any danger as it was Reeva in the toilet area. There were NO intruders in the home at that time.
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Item 6:
" ... Control of a potentially dangerous thing or animal: Where an individual assumes such control, s/he is obliged to guard that that the dangerous thing/animal causes no harm: this legal duty arises independently of any prior conduct....."
http://criminallawza.net/lecture-5-conduct/
Did OP NOT have a legal duty to report to PD, gun manufacturer, etc., a gun supposedly discharging without the trigger being pulled?
When OP was supposedly stalked, etc., did he NOT have a legal duty to report the activities to PD authorities in order to protect others from similar behavior?
" ... Control of a potentially dangerous thing or animal: Where an individual assumes such control, s/he is obliged to guard that that the dangerous thing/animal causes no harm: this legal duty arises independently of any prior conduct....."
http://criminallawza.net/lecture-5-conduct/
Did OP NOT have a legal duty to report to PD, gun manufacturer, etc., a gun supposedly discharging without the trigger being pulled?
When OP was supposedly stalked, etc., did he NOT have a legal duty to report the activities to PD authorities in order to protect others from similar behavior?
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Interesting pic with commentary:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/217845818/Oscar-Bedroom-Photo-Graphic
Shows why/why not of the OP statements....
http://www.scribd.com/doc/217845818/Oscar-Bedroom-Photo-Graphic
Shows why/why not of the OP statements....
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Excerpts from the book: Pieces of the Puzzle
http://www.scribd.com/doc/187254618/Pieces-of-the-Puzzle-Oscar-Pistorius-and-Reeva-Steenkamp-Part-I-The-Killing
Provides additional info..
Some of the info presented appears to be contradictory to the testimony heard in court. You be the judge.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/187254618/Pieces-of-the-Puzzle-Oscar-Pistorius-and-Reeva-Steenkamp-Part-I-The-Killing
Provides additional info..
Some of the info presented appears to be contradictory to the testimony heard in court. You be the judge.
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I got here late but apparently the court has just adjourned.
OP started crying.
Again...
Hope AD can round up the youtube on this session?
Comments are somewhat helpful.
http://www.enca.com/oscartrial/
OP started crying.
Again...
Hope AD can round up the youtube on this session?
Comments are somewhat helpful.
http://www.enca.com/oscartrial/
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Court back up at 11:30 their time...
I found this gem from earlier this am:
" ... Karyn Maughan @karynmaughan
Nel: if someone said you were whispering, they'd be lying. #OscarPistorius: yes.
Nel: it was you, you said it. ..."
http://www.enca.com/oscartrial/
Apparently, OP looks medicated, tired, and is rubbing his eyes a whole lot this morning. Then he started crying....
I found this gem from earlier this am:
" ... Karyn Maughan @karynmaughan
Nel: if someone said you were whispering, they'd be lying. #OscarPistorius: yes.
Nel: it was you, you said it. ..."
http://www.enca.com/oscartrial/
Apparently, OP looks medicated, tired, and is rubbing his eyes a whole lot this morning. Then he started crying....
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They are back!
Reading the comments, advocate Nel has really pounded on OP this morning pointing out ALL the problems with OP's statements.
Right down to when the security alarm was turned off, when Reeva last ate, etc..
http://www.enca.com/oscartrial/
Reading the comments, advocate Nel has really pounded on OP this morning pointing out ALL the problems with OP's statements.
Right down to when the security alarm was turned off, when Reeva last ate, etc..
http://www.enca.com/oscartrial/
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Comment:
" ... Kaisama09
if he screamed at the imagined intruder to get out while hearing the door being slammed close then he would have seen Reeva in the bathroom entering the toilet room..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvA32TBcCt0#t=2489713
****ANOTHER CRYING BREAK AS OP STATES HE DID NOT FIRE AT REEVA.
Advocate Nel has shot down much of OP's defense...
He got OP to state he did NOT fire because he was being attacked, etc..
OP admitted he fired at the door....
From the link above:
" ... Oscar control the whole world and everyone because of his crying he must just answer
Rian Van Wyk
Rian Van Wyk
see in the SA justice system the accused has the leverage.....does the diseased have leverge.....fuck no so why treat a person killing another person with this shit
Dottie S.
Dottie S.
Dimitri, Nel is a wrestling coach and he is always nice with childres
001razz
001razz
how long ?
Monty zoomer
Monty zoomer
lol, nel caused another adjurnment to try and annoy the judge.
Murial z
Murial z
his upset because his lies are catching up to him!!
Sloane Woodford
Sloane Woodford
haha Kitkinek
FHATUWANI DANIEL
FHATUWANI DANIEL
this case will take more two yrs bcz of this boy who alwys crying
FallenPixel
FallenPixel
caught in a lie again he cries
destiny6666
destiny6666
for self defense he had to be shooting at the attacker ... he now says he didn't fire at anybody ...
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" ... Kaisama09
if he screamed at the imagined intruder to get out while hearing the door being slammed close then he would have seen Reeva in the bathroom entering the toilet room..."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvA32TBcCt0#t=2489713
****ANOTHER CRYING BREAK AS OP STATES HE DID NOT FIRE AT REEVA.
Advocate Nel has shot down much of OP's defense...
He got OP to state he did NOT fire because he was being attacked, etc..
OP admitted he fired at the door....
From the link above:
" ... Oscar control the whole world and everyone because of his crying he must just answer
Rian Van Wyk
Rian Van Wyk
see in the SA justice system the accused has the leverage.....does the diseased have leverge.....fuck no so why treat a person killing another person with this shit
Dottie S.
Dottie S.
Dimitri, Nel is a wrestling coach and he is always nice with childres
001razz
001razz
how long ?
Monty zoomer
Monty zoomer
lol, nel caused another adjurnment to try and annoy the judge.
Murial z
Murial z
his upset because his lies are catching up to him!!
Sloane Woodford
Sloane Woodford
haha Kitkinek
FHATUWANI DANIEL
FHATUWANI DANIEL
this case will take more two yrs bcz of this boy who alwys crying
FallenPixel
FallenPixel
caught in a lie again he cries
destiny6666
destiny6666
for self defense he had to be shooting at the attacker ... he now says he didn't fire at anybody ...
..."
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Re: The trial of Oscar Pistorius for the Valentine's Day killing of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp -- Pretoria, South Africa
Thank you ladies for keeping us updated! He is a whiny little murderer that's for sure.
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Re: The trial of Oscar Pistorius for the Valentine's Day killing of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp -- Pretoria, South Africa
Oscar Pistorius Trial: Monday 14 April 2014, Session 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxZYtDsMhIE
Oscar Pistorius Trial: Monday 14 April 2014, Session 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMsUK8mhGFw
Oscar Pistorius Trial: Monday 14 April 2014, Session 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_hle5shsDY
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Re: The trial of Oscar Pistorius for the Valentine's Day killing of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp -- Pretoria, South Africa
Oscar Pistorius appears to change his defense under questioning
BY ROBYN DIXON,
This post has been updated. See the notes below for details.
April 14, 2014, 10:28 a.m.
PRETORIA, South Africa -- Reeva Steenkamp, the 29-year-old model and girlfriend of South African Olympic athlete Oscar Pistorius, had a sports bag packed with her clothes, ready to leave his house, the night he fatally shot her, prosecutor Gerrie Nel told Pretoria’s high court Monday.
The only items not yet packed were a pair of jeans and a pair of flip-flops. Pistorius, on trial for murder, denied there had been a quarrel and she was about to leave.
Pistorius, who contends he shot at the enclosed toilet in which Steenkamp had locked herself because he believed an intruder was there, told the court he screamed at the imagined stranger to get out of his house.
As he recounted the words, Pistorius broke down, weeping in a high-pitched tone. Nel suggested that Pistorius screamed at Steenkamp to get out of his house, a claim the athlete denied.
Read more:
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79912192/
BY ROBYN DIXON,
This post has been updated. See the notes below for details.
April 14, 2014, 10:28 a.m.
PRETORIA, South Africa -- Reeva Steenkamp, the 29-year-old model and girlfriend of South African Olympic athlete Oscar Pistorius, had a sports bag packed with her clothes, ready to leave his house, the night he fatally shot her, prosecutor Gerrie Nel told Pretoria’s high court Monday.
The only items not yet packed were a pair of jeans and a pair of flip-flops. Pistorius, on trial for murder, denied there had been a quarrel and she was about to leave.
Pistorius, who contends he shot at the enclosed toilet in which Steenkamp had locked herself because he believed an intruder was there, told the court he screamed at the imagined stranger to get out of his house.
As he recounted the words, Pistorius broke down, weeping in a high-pitched tone. Nel suggested that Pistorius screamed at Steenkamp to get out of his house, a claim the athlete denied.
Read more:
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79912192/
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Pistorius breaks down when pressed by prosecutor
1:42
April 14, 2014 1:50 PM EDT — Intense questioning from the prosecution led Oscar Pistorius to twice break down on the fourth day of cross-examination at the athlete's murder trial. (AP)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posttv/world/africa/pistorius-breaks-down-when-pressed-by-prosecutor/2014/04/14/a506f6a0-b0bc-4fc8-adba-953b515f59a4_video.html
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Re: The trial of Oscar Pistorius for the Valentine's Day killing of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp -- Pretoria, South Africa
More tears for Oscar Pistorius: Patricia Visagie reports
Published on Apr 14, 2014
The North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria was interrupted for the second time on Monday to allow Oscar Pistorius to compose himself. This came after state prosecutor Gerrie Nel persisted with his tough line of cross-examination while the athlete repeatedly contradicted himself ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8OLHtiQDEI
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Re: The trial of Oscar Pistorius for the Valentine's Day killing of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp -- Pretoria, South Africa
Oscar Pistorius Trial Day 22 Summary
News24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5vYwJPeB2U
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Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius Nel wants to centre on OP's actions around toilet but wants to leave until tomorrow. Court rises for the day
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius Nel asks why he took his gun back with him after putting legs on in bedroom. 'Why wd you do that? It doesnt make sense
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius Nel timed how long he took to put on his prosthetics last week. It took 20 secs. How long did you take that night, he asks
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius 'I wasnt thinking abt this firearm' - OP trying to explain how he ran, gun cocked, opened doors with gun, ran back with gun
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius Nel: You're not using your emotional state as an escape, are you?'
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius Nel suggesting - again - that he's getting emotional because of the questions NOT the event
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius But as he says he frantically rushed to fling open sliding doors, Nel asks how possible with gun in his hand. 'I'm not sure'
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius says he still had gun in hand, cocked, as he ran towards balcony to shout for help
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius 'I dont remember opening doors, or curtains. I remember screaming for help and feeling helpless'
More ...
https://twitter.com/AlexCrawfordSky
#OscarPistorius Nel wants to centre on OP's actions around toilet but wants to leave until tomorrow. Court rises for the day
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius Nel asks why he took his gun back with him after putting legs on in bedroom. 'Why wd you do that? It doesnt make sense
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius Nel timed how long he took to put on his prosthetics last week. It took 20 secs. How long did you take that night, he asks
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius 'I wasnt thinking abt this firearm' - OP trying to explain how he ran, gun cocked, opened doors with gun, ran back with gun
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius Nel: You're not using your emotional state as an escape, are you?'
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius Nel suggesting - again - that he's getting emotional because of the questions NOT the event
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius But as he says he frantically rushed to fling open sliding doors, Nel asks how possible with gun in his hand. 'I'm not sure'
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius says he still had gun in hand, cocked, as he ran towards balcony to shout for help
Alex Crawford @AlexCrawfordSky · 15h
#OscarPistorius 'I dont remember opening doors, or curtains. I remember screaming for help and feeling helpless'
More ...
https://twitter.com/AlexCrawfordSky
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Re: The trial of Oscar Pistorius for the Valentine's Day killing of his girlfriend Reeva Steenkamp -- Pretoria, South Africa
Alessandra_Deux wrote:Oscar Pistorius appears to change his defense under questioning
BY ROBYN DIXON,
This post has been updated. See the notes below for details.
April 14, 2014, 10:28 a.m.
PRETORIA, South Africa -- Reeva Steenkamp, the 29-year-old model and girlfriend of South African Olympic athlete Oscar Pistorius, had a sports bag packed with her clothes, ready to leave his house, the night he fatally shot her, prosecutor Gerrie Nel told Pretoria’s high court Monday.
The only items not yet packed were a pair of jeans and a pair of flip-flops. Pistorius, on trial for murder, denied there had been a quarrel and she was about to leave.
Pistorius, who contends he shot at the enclosed toilet in which Steenkamp had locked herself because he believed an intruder was there, told the court he screamed at the imagined stranger to get out of his house.
As he recounted the words, Pistorius broke down, weeping in a high-pitched tone. Nel suggested that Pistorius screamed at Steenkamp to get out of his house, a claim the athlete denied.
Read more:
http://touch.latimes.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-79912192/
BBM
Wow! I missed this today!!!
I had speculated this, ".... he screamed at the imagined stranger to get out of his house....." and he had, in fact, yelled at REEVA to get out of his house! Once the witnesses started coming forth, however, he might have been concerned they heard his words to Reeva so he quickly backtracked.
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