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Post by Alessandra_Deux Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:02 pm

Zimmerman jury can hear Martin had marijuana in system

Reuters
4:17 p.m. CDT, July 8, 2013

SANFORD, Fla., July 8 (Reuters) - A Florida judge ruled that
defense lawyers can introduce evidence in the second-degree
murder trial of George Zimmerman that Trayvon Martin had the
active ingredient of marijuana in his system when he was shot
dead.

In a defeat for the prosecution, Seminole County Judge Debra
Nelson said her reading of case law was that "to not allow that
testimony would be reversible error."

Toxicology showed slight residue of THC in Martin's system.

Medical Examiner Shiping Bao initially reported the level
was too slight to affect Martin, but Bao testified outside the
jury's hearing last week that his further research in
preparation for the trial indicated the drug might have had a
slight but unknown effect.


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http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-usa-floridashooting-marijuana-urgent-20130708,0,4207128.story[/font]
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Post by Freckles Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:05 pm

Not like Trayvon had enough in his system to even nudge those munchies.George, on the other hand, was LOADED on his life-long diest6 of LIBRIUM, ADDERAL and was seeing a shrink!

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Post by Freckles Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:10 pm

Undoing the Zimmerman twist:
Here is LOVE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8zu5Qn2XYs
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Post by auman58 Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:16 pm

carlakay wrote:
auman58 wrote:Trayvon Martin Texts Reveal Fighting, Drug Use

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/trayvon-martin-texts-reveal-fighting-drug-19249306

Probably homeless guys again.

as I have stated several times I do not watch speculation about this on the tv or read online much except what is shared here.. I also stated in a ciomment above that it is my opinion ALL males fight at some point in their lives. Don't believe I have ever said it was absolutely impossible TM started the altercation.

I also want to make it CRYSTAL clear that I do not believe anything TM may of texted  or said to his friends AT ANY TIME is even relevent to what happened that night. In the same vein I do not believe anything GZ may of texted or posted online or said to any of his friends is relevant to what happened that night.
My interest in this case is based upon what happened that night between two human beings..I don't know nor ever have known either one of em so my opinions about them both are based upon my own knowledge of how people in general behave.
Also while I do not feel GZ's social networking history is relevent I do believe any criminal history he had is and I also feel his behaviour AFTER the shooting is relevant as well.
George Zimmerman was as adult Auman..Trayvon Martin was not but it is my opinion that if he was half the worthless hood some seem to believe he was then by 17 he should of already had a rap sheet.

I have not seen any evidence to tell me TM had any sort of history with fighting.......


I was merely responding to your post by providing evidence you haven't seen.
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Post by carlakay Mon Jul 08, 2013 6:34 pm

yes and directly beneath yours was further evidence that quiet frankly ticked me off..not at you tho..at the way this case is being spun..I find it sad
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Post by Alessandra_Deux Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:45 pm

July 8, 2013



George Zimmerman Trial - Day 10 - Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8_OY_ldIMk




George Zimmerman Trial - Day 10 - Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hz4BY5Rl3vk




George Zimmerman Trial - Day 10 - Part 3 (SPD Bill Lee)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQTuxhWtwRY


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Post by Mari 68 Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:45 pm

Freckles wrote:Not like Trayvon had enough in his system to even nudge those munchies.George, on the other hand, was LOADED on his life-long diest6 of LIBRIUM, ADDERAL and was seeing a shrink!  



This really is so odd to me. George is the one with an arrest record - THREE arrests. TWO were for violence. He was court ordered to attend ANGER MANAGEMENT.

And people are talking about Trayvon having some sort of violent history???? huh????


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Post by Mari 68 Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:49 pm

So Librium is used to calm people down.


hhhmmm - much like marijuana, no?
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Post by Alessandra_Deux Mon Jul 08, 2013 7:59 pm

July 8, 2013



George Zimmerman Trial - Day 10 - Hearing Part 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwjRvMGRw3Q




George Zimmerman Trial - Day 10 - Hearing Part 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HamFcT15IW8
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Post by Alessandra_Deux Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:51 pm

Trayvon Martin's Father Recalls 'Listening to His Life Being Taken'





By SENI TIENABESO and MATT GUTMAN
SANFORD, Fla., July 8, 2013


Trayvon Martin's father took the stand today and challenged the testimony of two police officers who had testified that he said it was not his son screaming for help on 911 tapes.

Two police officers described today how Tracy Martin, the slain teenager's father, listened to the tapes of the 911 calls two days after his son was killed. The screams for help could be heard in the background.

~Snipped~

The father said , however, that he did not deny it was his son's voice.

"[I] shook my head and said I can't tell," Tracy Martin told the Florida court. "I never said that no, it was not my son's voice."

~Snipped~

Tracy Martin later concluded that it was his son, he said, after listening to the tape about 20 times.

"I was listening to my son's last cry for help. I was listening to his life being taken. I was coming to grips with Trayvon was here no more. It was tough," he said.

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Post by Freckles Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:20 pm

A couple of comments:

1. GZ possibly have gun drawn PRIOR to any "confrontation" with Trayvon:
--- Pollack, the gym owner/instructor, was one who confirmed GZ was "soft". Almost all the def witnesses have stated how soft GZ was. GZ indicating apprehension, at best, prior to following Trayvon.
IF we are to believe GZ' concerns re "these punks always get away" and the other words he stated to NEN, yes, he would have LOGICALLY have drawn the gun before Trayvon even met him. IMO, GZ wanted that notch on his gun belt. Now, following the pattern of his life, he is wanting a free pass on his actions. Just like with the assault on the ATF officer... get the charges dropped from a felony to a misdemeanor. Well, Daddy isn't always going be there, GZ. At some point, you WILL have to take responsibility for your actions. (I spose you can blame it on the drugs YOU are taking, right?)

2. GZ "Screaming like a little girl" ....
---In the JA trial, the dteam tried to make this sound like horrors of horrors! How would Travis have known how a little girl screams? He must be a pedophile! So what does that say about GZ' sposedly screaming like a little girl? IMO, the voice was of a much younger male. That would make it Trayvon. And, the screams stopped abruptly when the gun shot was heard. Whoever was screaming was NOT holding that gun~ if it had been GZ, he would have continued to scream, "Call 911! I just shot someone!!!" And he did not.

3. Trayvon's father not immediately recognizing the screams as those of his son, Trayvon:
-- I can see this. IF I had been informed my child had been killed feet away from the residence I had taken him to, I would be in denial trying to accept just the death of my child, making funeral arrangements, overwhelmed with guilt for taking my son to where he ultimately met his death. I, too, would have been shaking my head and saying no just because I would NOT have been capable of clearly recognizing and ADMITTING this was my son's last communication--- he screamed for help so many times and I was NOT there to assist him.
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Post by Alessandra_Deux Mon Jul 08, 2013 11:50 pm

That was then:

George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013 - Page 4 GEORGE-ZIMMERMAN-BODY-0517

George Zimmerman on the day of the shooting at the police station - February 26, 2012

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George Zimmerman two days after the shooting - Still frame from the re-enactment video

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George Zimmerman - Picture taken shortly after he was arrested - April 11, 2012.

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Booking Picture - April 11, 2012


This is now:

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Post by Alessandra_Deux Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:29 am

"Pollock described Zimmerman as generally pleasant, but noted that he was “ physically soft” and “fat".

"Pollock said that Zimmerman was grossly obese when he began training."

"Pollock said Zimmerman was "grossly obese," and not athletic at all."

Zimmerman didn't look "obese and out of shape" when he killed Trayvon. He is certainly obese and out of shape now. How did he manage to gain over 120/125 pounds in less than a year?

Is Zimmerman's weight gain part of the defense strategy?

George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013 - Page 4 Zimmerman

This is a still frame from the video of his interview with Hannity.
- July 18, 2012
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Post by sitemama Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:32 am

This reminds me of something we used to hear in school from the bullies, picking on the fat kid. Just change a few words and it will apply to GZ.

Fatty, fatty, 2 x 4
can't get in courtroom door.

I'm sorry, that wasn't nice, but had to let it out. I think it everytime I see him in the courtroom.
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Post by sitemama Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:36 am

Just looked at the pictures again, more closely. The first one after he gained weight, in the navy blazer and yellow stripe tie, his shirt is not buttoned just above his pants. Maybe it wouldn't meet around his gut.
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Post by Freckles Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:42 am

Dteam will be allowed to introduce a toxicology specialist re the THC ME BAO reported was found in Trayvon's system. This is sposedly to show how Trayvon would have been able to defend himself... right.
(Then let's bring in the drugs, hard core RXs GZ has been using... for years. It helps to explain WHY GZ may have been feeling a bit "paranoid" the night he killed Trayvon...)

Dteam wants to bring in their "reconstructive maps" of the crime scene...

And. Donnelly. His testimony will stand despite his lying on the stand re WHEN he FIRST heard the 911 tapes played... Dteam FAILED to share this info with the State....

Dteam wants a witness on the stand who is former PD; wants that officer to explain how it impacts an officer when they shoot someone, the psychological damage that is done.... Like, GZ can't take the stand and tell us because "the trauma of the event" is too great? MOM states to the judge HE doesn't believe the jury can't make that determination on their own...Same with the toxicologist being able to explain the impact upon a person using pot; that GZ acted upon a great amount of fear; Allowing this witness (Rue) would be bolstering the credibility of the defendant; Would introduce self serving statements to the defendant; Can't testify GZ used restraint in using deadly force against Trayvon; Can't testify GZ was reasonable in his use of deadly force; Can't testify GZ did NOT violate any Florida statues in use of deadly force.


Animation of crime scene: SEE part 2 of hearing



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwjRvMGRw3Q
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Post by Freckles Tue Jul 09, 2013 2:43 am

sitemama wrote:Just looked at the pictures again, more closely.  The first one after he gained weight, in the navy blazer and yellow stripe tie, his shirt is not buttoned just above his pants.  Maybe it wouldn't meet around his gut.

"Georgie Porgie
Puddin' pie..."
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Post by Freckles Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:05 am

HEARING, Part 2
Jury not present

Someone called Mr. shoemaker will be testifying tomorrow.
State is to meet with Shoemaker prior to court;
state said they made changes to a time-line of phone calls;
wants the handwriting cleaned up; agreed by judge.


State points out the current version of the info in question was JUST provided to the State minutes before; State said they had just found out for the revision Dteam offers is a few days ago, the witness had spoken with another dteam witness and changed animation based upon what the OTHER witness had told him; NONE of this was disclosed to State by Dteam; State says they are once again being given new info without time to prepare.

State needs more time to re-interview TWO witnesses due to the Dteam's failure to disclose. Judge asks WHY do we need to question witnesses IF animation is acceptable to BOTH parties?

State is going to take time to open up the deposition with Shoemaker prior to court in AM. Judge wants the early recess so the deposition is taken...

Dteam states they have a second hearing they need first thing in AM.
Wants the jury notified. The second proffer is sposed to be 45 minutes or longer; Judge asks if the proffer could be AFTER court is dismissed; Richard Conner ? State just found out the second witness had spoken to Shoemaker BUT FAILED to mention it last Saturday when deposition was taken;

Animation:
Debate on angle when gunshot was fired; distance to clothing;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HamFcT15IW8
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Post by LottieM Tue Jul 09, 2013 6:01 am

Good Lord! All this making fun of George's weight sounds like a bunch of bullies to me. It's making me a tad sick really. Anyone here of perfect weight? I know I'm not. Sad
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Post by carlakay Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:43 am

Lottie I dont care for it either BUT it is actually an acceptted form of discriminatory behaviour here in America.Discrimination of overweight people happens all the time..which btw America has the most numbers of..is done all the time..in schools..at work..on tv..in resteraunts..in airports..etc etc..it is done and nobody but those who are the target ever seem to mind. My sister is grossly obese..my husband is as well and yet they both are guilty of doing the very same thing.
Now do I believe the posters above HATE every single overweight person they come across because they poked a lil fun at GZ up there?..NO..I do not believe that because as I said it is acceptable diatribe towards someone they dont particular care for here..much like when TM told DiDI there was a "Creepy Ass cracker "staring at him.
DiDi stated that term is used by people in her neighborhood all the time to describe unsavory white people..(my words not hers cuz I cant member exactly at the moment) That makes perfect sense to me and I dont feel the fact that certain word made TM a racist anymore than I feel Paula Deen using the n-word while descibing the man who held a gun to her head makes her one.. It makes them ALL human beings IMO.


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Post by carlakay Tue Jul 09, 2013 7:45 am

Having said all that I now also believe GZ gained over 100 pounds in a years time precisely for the purpose of using it as part of his defense..that got made clear yesterday.
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George Zimmerman Trial Day 21: Live Updates

Last Updated: Tuesday, July 09, 2013, 9:53 AM

Evidence hearing

9:52 a.m.

He has never testified in civil court.

Schumaker says he first became involved with a conversation in August 2012, but the first meeting was in April.

He says he was to do a reconstruction of the scene with the information and create an animated timeline.

He says there is not a lot of opportunity to have audio in the creation, which he says helped with the timeline.

Schumaker says the discovery was used, including photos, witness statements and Total Station data.

He made to visits to the scene, he says.

He used the motion capture suit during the second week of May.

He says there were seven points that were labeled as windows, but weren’t in the right position.

He says a measurement of a second story window actually measured some tree branches instead.

He says he used Matterport scanner at the scene to take photos and infrared photos for distance purposes.

He says it helped capture slope and positioning.

9:44 a.m.

He lists the California counties where his reports have been used.

He has never testified out of California.

He says sometimes another expert will testify about what he creates. He just speaks to the accuracy of the creation.

He says all the trials he has testified in have been criminal.

Four months ago, he says he testified about a shooting reconstruction.

He describes another case where he was able to determine the position of someone shot three times in a car.

He says he testified in one case about a person inside a house threatening suicide and he had to determine which responding officer fired a shot and the position of the person.

He describes what he was able to show.

He says he has never failed to be qualified as an expert.

9:35 a.m.

Schumaker says there was more “total station data” from the district attorney’s office. Total Station is the equipment used.

He says is certified by the software company.

He describes 3-D software which uses Total Station data.

Schumaker explains how he determined movement for a man shot in his car.

He says bullet trajectory and physical characteristics of inside of truck are looked at to make the animation.

Schumaker explains how he can determine measurements relative to other distances.

He says the motion suit was also used in the movies “Avatar,” “Ironman,” and “X-Men” and other video games.

He acquired the suit in 2008 and has used if for most cases since, which he says is about 20.

He says he has worked in 59 criminal cases, plus 21 civil cases, and testified in 20 of them.

He has worked with the Dept. of Justice in police officer-involved shootings.

He has always worked for the defense, but says some it has to do with the defense of police officers in officer-involved shootings.

9:10 a.m.

Schumaker says he has a motion capture suit that can help determine movements at a crime scene.

He says his suit can measures with accelerometers as he moves, which gives a log of all movements.

Schumaker describes how he used the suit to do a recreation of a man being pulled from a car.

He shows an example animation on his laptop at the judge’s bench.

8:53 a.m.

Mr. Schumaker describes his work and education background.

8:48 a.m.

O’Mara begins questioning Mr. Daniel Schumaker, who works for Contrast Forensics.

8:46 a.m.

O’Mara responds.

He says the medical examiner says the gunshot was a 90 degree angle. He says he is withdrawing a still the state seems to have a concern over.

O’Mara says that leaves the underlying fact and the concern of the position of the bodies.

He says what’s known is the angle of the gunshot, but what isn’t known is the position of the bodies.

O’Mara demonstrates with his hands how the angles could change and mentions Jon Good’s testimony as the only eye witness.

O’Mara says he doesn’t understand the concern when it is known animations are often used in criminal cases based on facts of the trial.

He says it is specifically in line with the facts of the evidence and supports their theory of what happened.

O’Mara says he’s not certain about the true objection. He says the animation is based on the 90 degree angle.

He says it is more than an animation, but is a series of stills.

O’Mara says movement of the arms was removed.

Judge Nelson says the defense should call their first witness.

8:36 a.m.

Mantei says he has supplemented his motion this morning. He says the reason is the animation is to fit the witness’s theory and the state now believes there is a Daubert issue.

He says it is an animated depiction of the theory Dr. Di Maio discussed with the witness Saturday.

He says the hearing needs to be expanded to include Daubert issues and they need to fleshed out based on the changes.

Mantei says during last night’s deposition the witness indicated he had additional materials prepared.

O’Mara speaks to Mantei.

8:15 a.m.

Judge Nelson will hear arguments from the prosecution and defense over a new animation being submitted as evidence.

http://www.cfnews13.com/content/news/cfnews13/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2013/7/9/zimmerman_day_21.html
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carlakay wrote:Having said all that I now also believe GZ gained over 100 pounds in a years time precisely for the purpose of using it as part of his defense..that got made clear yesterday.

The only reason why I posted the 'before and after" pictures of Zimmerman was because of Pollock's testimony yesterday.

George does look like a total different person now, and Pollock's testimony can create the illusion in the mind of the jurors that that is how he looked when he killed Trayvon.
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Post by Alessandra_Deux Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:28 am

Evidence hearing

10:17 a.m.

He says he didn’t try to reconstruct the lighting because it is more important to show the information.

Schumaker confirms he has been doing this type of work for 13 years.

He says he is the only one with a wireless motion capture suit.

ARAS 360 is one of two standard software programs used in law enforcement, Schumaker says.

O’Mara finishes questioning.

Judge Nelson grants a five minute recess.

10:07 a.m.

O'Mara has Schumaker go over the still images at the bench.

10:00 a.m.

Schumaker says volunteers from O’Mara’s law office put the suits on.

He says he used audio from the 911 call to time them with the shot of the gun.

Jon Good and Selma Mora’s testimony was used, also.

He says Jenna Lauer’s police report statement was also used.

The still posters have been adjusted to match trial testimony, he confirms.

He says he had everything needed to create the scene.

Schumaker shows the animation at the bench.

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Alessandra_Deux wrote:
carlakay wrote:Having said all that I now also believe GZ gained over 100 pounds in a years time precisely for the purpose of using it as part of his defense..that got made clear yesterday.

The only reason why I posted the 'before and after" pictures of Zimmerman was because of Pollock's testimony yesterday.  

George does look like a total different person now, and Pollock's testimony can create the illusion in the mind of the jurors that that is how he looked when he killed Trayvon.

Yeah I know..what I am wondering is why hasn't the prosecution done the same damn thing though? Every single time a witness was asked to identify him I was waiting with baited breath for one to say.."Well he doesn't look the same but..."
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Evidence hearing

10:28 a.m.

Mantei says he needs 45 minutes to question Schumaker.

Judge Nelson says the hearing will continue later.

She asks for the defense’s next witness. The defense asks for a moment at the bench.

O'Mara begins talking with Zimmermand at the defense table.

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Dr. Vincent Di Maio is now testifying for the defense, he is a pathologist and an expert on gunshot wounds.


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I also want to know why the former police chief was not asked during cross wether it was really true he retired..we ALL know he was fired and why..don't they?
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Post by Alessandra_Deux Tue Jul 09, 2013 10:51 am

Vincent Di Maio testified in the O.J. Simpson trial and the Phil Spector trial.


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carlakay wrote:I also want to know why the former police chief was not asked during cross wether it was really true he retired..we ALL know he was fired and why..don't they?

Or, why they didn't ask Chief Lee why he was not allowed to be present in the meeting that took place at the Sanford Mayor's office where Tracy Martin, Sabrina Fulton and Javaris Fulton listened to the 911 tapes.
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Witness: Dr. Vincent Di Maio - Expert on gunshot wounds

10:58 a.m.

West asks Dr. Di Maio how wet materials should be packaged.

Dr. Di Maio says it must be dried out and packaged in paper. He says the bacteria begins multiplying in plastic and leads to mold.

“That’s standard practice,” he says.

He says most lab problems are reported by the lab itself.

Dr. Di Maio describes his academic positions.

He has published four books, multiple articles and book chapters.

His first book was “Gunshot Wounds: Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques.

A third edition is due at the publishers in a week.

He says the book instructs about firearms and wound.

Range and nature of the weapon can be determined by the wound, he says.

Dr. Di Maio says he was solicited to write chapters in the other books.

10:42 a.m.

Dr. Di Maio takes the stand and describes his work and education history.

10:40 a.m.

The jury is seated. Judge Nelson checks to make sure they have not seen reports about the case or researched. it.

The defense calls Vincent Di Maio.

10:38 a.m.

Judge Nelson checks with George Zimmerman about the testimony of Dr. Di Maio.

Defense attorney asks for the physical exhibits to be brought into the courtroom.

Judge Nelson asks for the jury to be brought in.

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Alessandra_Deux wrote:
carlakay wrote:I also want to know why the former police chief was not asked during cross wether it was really true he retired..we ALL know he was fired and why..don't they?

Or, why they didn't ask Chief Lee why he was not allowed to be present in the meeting that took place at the Sanford Mayor's office where Tracy Martin, Sabrina Fulton and Javaris Fulton listened to the 911 tapes.

EXACTLY! Don't you think the jury was wondering the same? Don't ya think they may wonder why he "retired" immedietly after this shooting? Don't ya think they may wonder why the lead detective is now a beat cop on 3rd shift? Do ya think maybe they will just ignore all these oddly unanswered questions or just remember Georgie's uncle and know?


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Wonder if Georgie's daddy will take the stand too?
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Witness: Dr. Vincent Di Maio - Expert on gunshot wounds

11:07 a.m.

Dr. Di Maio describes his work doing autopsies.

He worked as a consultant outside the medical examiner’s office he worked for in mostly civil cases.

He has been in private practice since January 2007.

He says he started his firearms research while in the military.

Dr. Di Maio explains microflash as something very quick to capture fast moving objects.

He explains what happens when a gun is fired.

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carlakay wrote:
Alessandra_Deux wrote:

Or, why they didn't ask Chief Lee why he was not allowed to be present in the meeting that took place at the Sanford Mayor's office where Tracy Martin, Sabrina Fulton and Javaris Fulton listened to the 911 tapes.

EXACTLY! Don't you think the jury was wondering the same? Don't ya think they may wonder why he "retired" immedietly after this shooting? Don't ya think they may wonder why the lead detective is now a beat cop on 3rd shift? Do ya think maybe they will just ignore all these oddly unanswered questions or just remember Georgie's uncle and know?

This is a highly publicized case, the marches and protests against the Sanford Police Department for allowing to walk the killer of an unarmed black teenager garnered international attention. I suspect that more than one juror know why Zimmerman was not initially arrested and why a special prosecutor was assigned to the case.
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Witness: Dr. Vincent Di Maio - Expert on gunshot wounds

11:31 a.m.

Dr. Di Maio says the photographs show a contact discharge of a weapon against the clothing. At the time of discharge the gun was against the clothing, the gas tore the clothing, soot deposited all around it, he says.

He says the wound in the chest shows a different picture.

He describes the area of powder tattooing, or marks on the skin from powder rings of the gun.

He says the powder tattoo marks indicate powder hit the skin and the person was alive at the time.

He says it indicated the gun was not against the skin by more than an inch. He says the muzzle of the gun was two to four inches away from the skin, based on the marks.

“The clothing itself had to be two to four inches away from the body at the time Mr. Martin was shot,” Dr. Di Maio says.

Dr. Di Maio shows a photo of the gunshot wound to the jury and points out the marks showing the powder tattoo marks.

The first time powder tattoo marks are seen when the muzzle is a half inch away. He says the area of tattooing gets bigger the farther away the gun is.

11:25 a.m.

Dr. Di Maio lists evidence in the case he reviewed.

He says he did have the opportunity of Zimmerman reenacting the shooting for police.

Dr. Di Maio says the nature of the case is more about determining if the physical evidence is consistent with Zimmerman’s account.

He says witness statements vary greatly and the easiest way is to evaluated the physical evidence and compare it with Zimmerman’s statements.

He says the most important things are the autopsy report, including the photos of the wound, and the reports by the firearms examiner.

Secondary are the photos of the scene.

He calls the firearms examiner’s report excellent.

West asks Dr. Di Maio’s opinion on how long Martin might’ve been alive and conscious.

Dr. Di Maio says they would be different for alive and for conscious.

He says he had access to photos taken by the Sanford Police Department.

West asks about the gunshot and the mechanics involved.

11:16 a.m.

West hands him a copy of his curriculum vitae.

De la Rionda objects to the submission of the exhibit.

The attorneys approach for a sidebar.

11:14 a.m.

West asks about the gas that comes out of the gun first.

Dr. Di Maio says it is like a column of gas and air being pushed straight ahead that tears a hole in the clothing, and then the bullet gets to the clothing, and then the soot follows.

Dr. Di Maio says a gun with a blank cartridge could still kill someone in a contact wound.

He has written about head trauma. He is a chief editor for a journal.

He testified for the U.S. Attorney’s Office about a police shooting in New Orleans.

He also testified for the Marine Corps in the prosecution of someone charged with war crimes.

He says he also testified for the British Government and United Nations.

He says he has testified in most states, along with Canada, South Africa, Israel, and more.

He has also received multiple awards.

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Witness: Dr. Vincent Di Maio - Expert on gunshot wounds

11:41 a.m.

He says he has done a lot of research on powder tattooing.

He says it is similar to the spraying of a hose and the water spreading out from it.

Dr. Di Maio says the clothing didn’t filter out the powder because there was a hole there.

West asks if the muzzle was pressed against Martin what would be different.

Dr. Di Maio says the wound would have a halo of black soot.

“This is basic 101,” he says about the difficulty in his conclusion.

West asks about the path of the bullet.

Dr. Di Maio says the autopsy describes a bullet hole in the left chest, then went through the ribs, hit the sac surrounding the heart, and went through the right ventricle of the heart and the right lung.

He says the lead core of the bullet and jacket fragments can be seen.

There’s some left-to-right trajectory, he confirms.

The shot doesn’t appear to be straight-on, he says.

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Witness: Dr. Vincent Di Maio - Expert on gunshot wounds

11:46 a.m.

Dr. Di Maio says he is aware Zimmerman said Martin was straddling him and he had his gun in his right hand.

He says the medical evidence is consistent with Zimmerman’s statement because the simplest thing is the gun being in his right hand.

“The most important point is the nature of the defect in the clothing and the powder tattooing,” he says, adding that when someone leans over the clothing sits away from the chest.

He says it is consistent with someone leaning over and their clothes being two to four inches away.

Dr. Di Maio says wet clothing is heavier and something in the front would pull it away from the body.

He says the wound’s gap and powder tattooing indicates consistency with Zimmerman’s account that Martin was over him leaning forward at the time he was shot.

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Witness: Dr. Vincent Di Maio - Expert on gunshot wounds

11:53 a.m.

Dr. Di Maio says the ability to move is determined by the amount of oxygen in the brain in reserve, which is 10 to 15 seconds at minimum.

He says some people immediately collapse and others don’t know they’ve been shot.

With a through-and-through hole of the ventricle of the heart and a hole in the lung, he says blood is being lost.

He says the heart rate increases when involved in a struggle. He says if Martin lost a tablespoon of blood every time the heart beats, it would be about a quarter of his blood supply in one minute.

Assuming those conditions, he would be dead in one to three minutes after being shot, Dr. Di Maio says.

Dr. Di Maio says he has seen cases where someone with similar injuries could talk and move, describing one man that ran 65 feet before collapsing.

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Post by Mari 68 Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:05 pm

The prosecution simply hasn't emphasized that George confronted Trayvon.


This whole case is a joke. George will walk. Riots will ensue this week. And Trayvon is forever gone.

George will get to live out his life and continue the schitt he's been doing for years. Dealing with anger issues, taking meds, seeing a therapist, flunking school, terrorizing his mother, hitting women, getting fired from jobs, be an all-around snoop and judgmental prick, etc.

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Witness: Dr. Vincent Di Maio - Expert on gunshot wounds

12:03 p.m.

Dr. Di Maio says Martin could have moved his arms.

He says he agrees with Dr. Bao’s conclusion of an abrasion on Martin’s fingers.

He says it is consistent with contact with a hard surface.

Dr. Di Maio says bruising depends on what part of the body is punched.

He says there may or may not have been bruising, but it wouldn’t make much difference.

Once the blood pressure goes, he says bruising is not possible.

Dr. Di Maio says proper examination would have been to cut the area to look for damage.

West asks about the injuries Zimmerman had.

Dr. Di Maio confirms he was provided the photographs.

He says when the head is impacted, the brain, which is like gelatin, shifts. He says that creates bruising or bleeding.

The other type of brain injury is called axonal. He says when the brain moves, the axons stretch. If the movement is violent, they stretch causing injury to the wall. Mild movement is repaired by the axon, he says.

He says the force in an automobile accident is so great the axons cannot be repaired. He says impacts of the head on a hard surface can create intracranial bleeding.

He says concrete doesn’t yield.

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Post by Freckles Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:14 pm

Once the blood pressure goes there is no bruising?
Well, there is, according to him, great opportunity for MOBILITY of the arms, legs, and even ability to THINK of speaking!  

He is NOT to be believed, IMO.

According to DM, IF the head is "like gelatin" AND can be damaged with NO reversible error in a traffic accident, we would find most of our society in a vegetative state.

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Witness: Dr. Vincent Di Maio - Expert on gunshot wounds

12:11 p.m.

He says it’s not a medical term, but the best word to describe it is stunned when the head is hit.

West asks him about lacerations to the scalp.

West shows photographs taken of Zimmerman’s head.

Dr. Di Maio points out injuries and swelling on the head.

“You know there are two separate impacts,” he says, pointing out the two lacerations.

He says a laceration can be cause by perpendicular impact causing a tear or a hit at an angle that slides against the surface causing a tear.

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If there is no GZ blood on Trayvon's clothes (sleeves and cuffs) after he punched GZ on the nose, how can this expert explain that. GZ said he was on the ground being "smothered" by Trayvon. How did Trayvon escape getting blood stains on his clothes from the nose bleed?

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I just wonder how the head could have been in so many different positions to create "all" of these injuries. It seem as though the neck would have been broken to do all of those injuries while sitting on top Of Zimmerman

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Bill Sheaffer:
JLS; the jury will be instructed to decide if they have a "reasonable doubt" on the question on whether GZ was justified in using self defense and if they have a "reasonable doubt" that he was justified.. they must find him *NOT guilty. Hope that helps-- those are from the jury instructions

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So many people say to put yourself in GM's situation, but what about putting yourself in TM's situation. I mean really think about it from his perspective of being followed, actually pursued and then confronted by some strange man. People say race has nothing to do with this case but being a black male, TM probably had more fear being followed by GM, than your average white person might feel. I think that TM had a right to defend himself against GM, not the other way around. You don't get to put someone else in fear for their life, for no reason other than you think they look like they are up to no good, and then kill them when they defend themselves against you.

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Post by Alessandra_Deux Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:34 pm

Freckles wrote:Once the blood pressure goes there is no bruising?
Well, there is, according to him, great opportunity for MOBILITY of the arms, legs, and even ability to THINK of speaking!  

He is NOT to be believed, IMO.

According to DM, IF the head is "like gelatin" AND can be damaged with NO reversible error in a traffic accident, we would find most of our society in a vegetative state.

(Oh. Wait. Most of society IS!!! Very Happy )

Freckles,

West asked Di Maio if he was aware that the police found an unopened beverage can inside the front pocket of Trayvon's shirt, and if it could have contributed to the separation of the fabric from the skin, Di Maio said that it could have and that it confirms that Trayvon was leaning over Zimmerman when he fired the shot.

In my opinion, the can of Arizona Iced Tea inside the pocket of Trayvon's hoodie was what contributed to the separation of the fabric from the skin, it does not confirm Zimmerman's story that Trayvon was leaning over him when he fired the shot.
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Post by Freckles Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:34 pm

Dr. DM was hired by Scott DREW Peterson and Phil Spector's dteams....


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12:33 p.m.

Judge Nelson dismisses the jury for lunch until 1:30 p.m.

Witness: Dr. Vincent Di Maio - Expert on gunshot wounds

12:31 p.m.

Dr. Di Maio points out red marks on Zimmerman’s forehead he says are more consistent with a punch.

“I think you have six identifiable injuries,” he says, listing the two lacerations, nose, marks on the forehead, and two areas of swelling on the head.

West asks if a person resisting a fight situation might try to sit up. West asks if other injuries might be possible but not show because of the resisting.

“All I can say is there was definite evidence of six impacts,” Dr. Di Maio says.

West finishes questioning.

De la Rionda asks to approach. The attorneys enter a sidebar.

12:26 p.m.

Dr. Di Maio says the laceration is a marker of force. “It indicates you’ve had severe force, it’s not like you just bumped your head,” he says.

He says severe trauma to the head is possible without external injury.

He says stunning is not incapacitating.

West asks about punctate abrasions.

Dr. Di Maio says a surface with an edge to it would be required to create those injuries.

He points out a “knot” on Zimmerman’s head, which he says is associated with the punctate abrasions.

He points out more injuries on different photos.

West asks about the photo showing Zimmerman with a bloody nose.

Dr. Di Maio points out the injuries to the nose on a enlarged print photo.

He says the nose is consistent with a possible displace fracture.

He says it’s consistent with being punched in the nose.

West shows the photo taken of Zimmerman at the police station.

Dr. Di Maio says the swelling appears to be gone, suggesting that he had a displaced fracture and they pushed it back in.

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Post by Freckles Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:45 pm

Naw. IMO, GZ grabbed the front of the hoody and pulled Trayvon into him. This means, Trayvon was backing up or attempting to flee. As he pulled Trayvon in, GZ said, "You are going to die tonight, " or something like that. Trayvon tried to pull away and when he could not, Trayvon began screaming.

The holes in the clothing were perfectly aligned with the chest wound EXCEPT they were off by two inches. No amount of soda or tea would have caused that much of a sag in the garments. Let alone BOTH garments.

The injuries to GZ' head are the attempts to justify the killing of Trayvon. Dteam is making too much ado over nothing--- I had worse injuries as a child when I fell roller skating on the sidewalk!

As for the nose: I will accept the PD pics. Dr DM wants to put down ANY and ALL pics that do not support his version hence he calls them "poor quality"... Well, the medical doctor for GZ, called by the State, pointed out GZ' injuries were superficial. End of subject. And that grotesques pic of the one side of GZ' nose twisted appears to be be overlay to create the HUGE bulbous nose injury NOT seen at the PD.... nor in ANY other picture. It is ridiculous the amount of photo-shop done by some amateur.

IMO, part of jury instructions should read:
When this trial is over, would you be amiable to the defendant moving into the house next to yours, joining your work force team, attending your church, etc. ?
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Post by Freckles Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:47 pm

GZ's head is NOT perfectly smooth.
It is irregular with bumps and twists.
Even my kids had bumpy spots on their heads;
look at balding men and find the bumps on THEIR heads!!!

I am not buying this Dr. DM's testimony.

BTW, there has been NO testimony ANYONE "pushed" GZ's nose back into place!!!
Can you imagine having a real nose injury or broken nose and letting someone "push it back into place" for you?

Hello! I would be screaming for... A DOCTOR. ER. PAIN MED. ANESTHETIC.

The following morning, when GZ took the voice analysis test he really did not SHOW any indication the nose was troublesome for him. He made a COMMENT he needed to drink water... hmmm. Didn't say it was tender. Didn't reach up at any time to gently touch the outside of it... That would have been natural.
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