Kyron Horman -- Missing 6/4/10 #1

hmmm - is kaine starting to believe that he's been duped?? IDK - i just wonder if there is still something there in his head/heart that is telling him this is not in Terris' character, maybe he is questioning her alleged involvement? I sure hope he takes a step back and looks at EVIDENCE (or better put, the lack thereof) She is no seasoned criminal - so how could she plan an abduction so thoroughly that she evades arrest? and leaves NO evidence?

And that leads me back to LE - it was just about 2 wks ago that LE AND kaine and desiree were distancing themselves from certain media outlets (I still haven't figured out why) but now they call on them to help in their investigation - and guess what they're going back to?? - yep, that's right - THE VERY BEGINNING - the point when they started NOT doing their job - and why is it that LE doesn't have their own videos of all of these ppl? or maybe they do (crosses fingers that they at least got that part right) and they are trying to compare notes to local/national media... HOW LONG do we have to wait for LE to do some work?? they have wasted valuable time tracking down Terri (and they should look carefully at each family member) but they haven't been able to run 2 parallel investigations as most LE do in this set of circumstances - one team checks out family/friends/acquaintances, etc while the other team runs a stranger abduction theory... I would like to know at what point in the investigation did they hit a brick wall with Terri - meaning WHEN did LE realize there is NO hard evidence? and yet they kept spinning their wheels there, digging themselves a bigger hole instead of moving on.... For me, I would say it's been about 3 wks ago since NEW leads have come out indicating Terri has even had a less than stellar reputation, and that's when the lawn guy came out of the woodwork and we still know NOTHING about this guy or his credibility - (which I believe is nil since she called 911 when he showed up on her porch) every day I wake up thinking "can this still be happening?" and I can't imagine what his parents and family think every day - i just wish that they would start asking LE the hard questions instead of taking their word for it... we're getting no where...

Interesting that Terri was applying to go back to work. Was Kaine worried she was leaving him and taking the baby? Maybe she also threatened to help Desiree get Kyron back, away from his dad??

NOT saying any of this is true....just wondering out loud.

Thanks AJ...I can recall Jessica's grandma so clearly to this day in my mind....I connected with her and it just broke my heart to watch what they were put through. But you are correct, all those families went through this and just like Terri, their life was ruined. And it all turned out to be wrong...You'd think as a society, we'd know enough to slow down and look at whats real and whats put out there.

I just want this young man returned. I'm not sure I want him returned to his family just yet, but I do want him returned. I just think there is a ton more we don't know yet.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?ref=share

We need to watch what we say about KH. One of his co-workers/friends has been sending out warnings (I got one as well) I was able to confirm this with his attorney's office so it's serious. He is actually suing some fan pages for slanderous/libelous statements against him. We aren't allowed to make ANY statements against him... not even opinion.

Are you kidding me??

Attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman alerted the court about 1:30 p.m. today that they have settled out of court when Terri will move out of their home.

She has agreed to vacate the house on Northwest Sheltered Nook Road by 3 p.m. Saturday.


A hearing to address the timing of her move that was scheduled for 3 p.m. has been canceled.


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terry_and_kaine_horman_reach_s.html

Article referenced by JAG above:

Terri and Kaine Horman reach settlement; she will move out Saturday

Published: Friday, July 16, 2010, 1:51 PM
Updated: Friday, July 16, 2010, 2:34 PM

Attorneys for Kaine Horman and Terri Horman alerted the court about 1:30 p.m. today that they have settled out of court the question of when Terri will move out of their home.

She has agreed to vacate the house on Northwest Sheltered Nook Road by 3 p.m. Saturday.

A hearing to address the timing of her move that was scheduled this afternoon has been canceled.

A day earlier, Kaine's lawyer, Laura Rackner, told the court her client needed to get back into their rural Northwest Portland immediately so he can return their daughter, 20-month-old Kiara, "back where she belongs," and so he can prepare to return to his job at Intel to support his family.

"He's the mother and father now," Rackner said.

Rackner also cited her client's safety concerns, noting that Kaine Horman is not sure with whom Terri Horman shared his temporary address. She argued that he needs to get back in his home, recode the electric entrance gate, change locks, check mail, buy groceries, and find childcare for Kiara, Rackner said.

Houze had urged the court to give his client until Monday afternoon. He said his client had agreed to leave the home, and was working with attorneys to make sure Kiara and Kaine had the necessary possessions they needed.

"It is simply a matter of logistics," Houze said. "It is not a simple matter to pick up everything and simply be gone."

He also said Terri Horman has been the subject of threats, considering what he called the "media frenzy" and "witchhunt" aimed at his client. He said there's been "threats of harm routinely directed towards my client, which I take very seriously."

In typical restraining order cases, Multnomah County Circuit Court Judge Keith Meisenheimer said the child normally stays in the home with the parent who retains custody. In this case, Terri Horman is not contesting the restraining order, which prevents her from any parenting time with her daughter.

Kaine Horman left the house with their daughter on June 26 after investigators told him that Terri Horman had solicited her landscaper to kill him in an alleged murder-for-hire plot six to seven months before his 7-year-old son Kyron disappeared from Skyline School after a school science fair on June 4.

In court papers seeking a restraining order against his wife, Kaine Horman said he believes his wife is involved in the disappearance of his son.

Terri Horman, 40, has not been charged with any crime.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/terry_and_kaine_horman_reach_s.html

JAG wrote:https://www.facebook.com/pages/Terri-Horman-Support-Page/131975590176118?ref=share

We need to watch what we say about KH. One of his co-workers/friends has been sending out warnings (I got one as well) I was able to confirm this with his attorney's office so it's serious. He is actually suing some fan pages for slanderous/libelous statements against him. We aren't allowed to make ANY statements against him... not even opinion.

Are you kidding me??

Excuse me? If this is true, then you heard it from me first that K is a control freak! IMO of course. haha

I wonder who Kaine is going to get to sit his daughter now that he hasn't got a woman around the house. Is he going to need a new 'Terri'?

Kyron Horman has gone from tragic missing-boy case to tabloid sideshow

Published: Friday, July 16, 2010, 5:28 PM
Updated: Friday, July 16, 2010, 5:31 PM

Six weeks after Kyron Horman disappeared, we still have no clue where the little boy went or whether he's alive.

Certain things have become clear, though. The fact, for example, that there is only one truly innocent victim in this mess.

Two if you count Kyron's baby sister.

This began as a sad, terrifying story about a boy who vanished. It has devolved into a domestic dispute, admittedly one with enough juicy detail to attract People magazine and the major TV networks.

Despite almost a half-million dollars spent on the search by Multnomah County taxpayers, we know only the barest details of Kyron's last morning at home. Despite countless hours of TV time and newsprint pages, we know little about the boy, beyond that he's allergic to bees, has a birthmark on his forehead and loves sushi.

We know plenty, however, about Terri and Kaine Horman's failed marriage, their gym habits, his claims she suffered from severe postpartum depression. We know biological mother Desiree Young says she suspected the worst of her former husband's new wife even before Kyron disappeared.

We've heard there's a landscaper who says Terri asked him to kill Kaine -- yet waited six months to tell police -- and from the high school classmate of Kaine Horman's who showed up to lend support and wound up in what he calls "inappropriate communications" with Horman's wife.

"I'm a pretty straight shooter," Michael Cook told a TV crew this week. "I didn't have sex with her."

Red-eyed tree frogs have been trumped by randy text messages. This is no longer just sad. Now it's also disgusting.

Those of us in the mass media certainly share the blame for the way this tragedy has morphed into the stuff of made-for-TV-movie tabloid dreams. The push to compete, to report even the most innocuous detail faster than everybody else, can be all-consuming. The search for answers, an explanation for something as fundamentally inexplicable as an endangered child, can lead in unpleasant directions. We lose perspective.

(Things got really meta last week when one Portland TV station grew so desperate to fill airtime that they interviewed author Ann Rule, the 74-year-old queen of true crime books. She compared the attention being paid Kyron's disappearance to the media flurry that surrounded Diane Downs, the Oregon woman who shot three of her children in 1983, killing one, and tried to blame a "shaggy-haired stranger." Well, sure. Rule wrote a book about Downs. Anybody doubt she'll wind up writing a book on this one?)

Then again, sanctimoniousness aside, this is a car wreck of the human condition. Who can resist rubbernecking? Or judging?

There's a reason the national crews are still here, even though investigators keep saying there's no reason for anyone else to worry about their kid: Other people's misery can be fun to watch, and weirdly satisfying. The internal monologue goes something like this: "I may yell at my kid and my house is a mess, but at least I'm not that screwed up. Those people were horrible to begin with, so of course something horrible happened to them."

The problem is that all this talk about who lives where and who took pictures of what distracts from another central fact:

Kyron is still out there. He's at the bottom of a river or screaming for help in a basement or, let's dream a little, eating ice cream, watching SpongeBob and enjoying a respite from the messed-up world we adults made for him.

That boy -- getting him home or getting justice in his name -- is really the only thing that matters. Everything else is white noise, not news.

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/anna_griffin/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_horman_has_gone_from_tra.html

This sums it up perfectly KH....from your link~

Red-eyed tree frogs have been trumped by randy text messages. This is no longer just sad. Now it's also disgusting.

Those 'randy' text messages.....notice how the media is all over Terri for it, but what about Mike? They're treating him like it fine that he participated.

TIMELINE OF EVENTS IN KYRON'S DISAPPEARANCE

June 4, 2010 - Police issue an alert saying 7-year-old Kyron Horman has disappeared.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/95669809.html

June 6, 2010 - "The reported disappearance from one of our schools is unprecedented," Portland School Superintendent Carol Smith says during a news conference, "and deeply troubling."
http://www.katu.com/news/local/95734359.html

June 6, 2010 - The Federal Bureau of Investigation brings in members of its Child Abduction Rapid Deployment team as searchers move into the third day without a sign of Kyron.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/95725809.html

June 7, 2010 - Police hold a news conference to provide an update on the search efforts.
http://www.katu.com/home/video/95822899.html


June 8, 2010 - Police hold a news conference to provide an update on the search efforts.
http://www.katu.com/home/video/96105094.html

June 10, 2010 - Two former detective supervisors say the lack of information investigators have released in the search for Kyron Horman points to potential criminal involvement.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/96115734.html

June 10, 2010 - Police hold a news conference to provide an update on the search efforts.
http://www.katu.com/home/video/96110834.html

June 10, 2010 - Officials display the type of clothes Kyron was last seen wearing.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/96088894.html

June 11, 2010 - Three possible sightings in Yreka, Calif., turn out to be someone else who closely resembled Kyron.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/96186709.html

June 11, 2010 - Family members speak at a news conference. It is the first time they have come forward in the public eye.
http://www.katu.com/home/video/96172864.html

June 14, 2010 - As the search for Kyron intensifies, searchers defend their efforts.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/96341619.html

June 14, 2010 - An 8-year-old boy who looks like Kyron Horman starts drawing attention.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/96338424.html

June 14, 2010 - Police release a photo showing the type of glasses Kyron wears.
http://www.katu.com/news/photos/96353964.html

June 15, 2010 - Family and friends hold a vigil for Kyron as the school year ends
http://www.katu.com/news/local/96450854.html
http://www.katu.com/news/local/96435449.html

June 18, 2010 - Police release a flier to the public, one that specifically asks for information about Terri.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/96675419.html

June 24, 2010 - For the first time we see video of Kyron.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97112729.html

June 25, 2010 - Desiree and Kaine go on national TV.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97152014.html

June 27, 2010 - Terri's father talks to 'People' magazine and is quoted as saying "she's trying to be as cooperative as she can ... I guess they think she's going to break."
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97276254.html

June 28, 2010 - Kaine files for divorce from Terri and is granted a restraining order against her.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97360254.html

June 29, 2010 - Friends of Terri urge the woman to speak and tell her side of the story.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97449789.html

June 30, 2010 - Terri hires criminal defense attorney Stephen Houze.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97546039.html

June 30, 2010 - We learn more about the two 911 calls that were placed from the Horman family home.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97533749.html

July 1, 2010 - Desiree reads a short statement asking Terri to cooperate with the investigation.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97614744.html

July 2, 2010 - Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton says during a news conference that Terri Horman is being cooperative.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97705124.html

July 4, 2010 - Reports arise that Terri allegedly tried to hire a man to kill her husband.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97767249.html

July 4, 2010 - A source confirms that the Oregon Department of Human Services opened a case on Terri Horman following a 2005 arrest and charge of driving under the influence.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97777564.html

July 6, 2010 - Desiree calls on Terri once again to cooperate with authorities.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/97904344.html

July 8, 2010 - Kaine and Desiree put the pressure on Terri during a news conference.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98077834.html

July 8, 2010 - In a restraining order filed against Terri, Kaine writes “I believe the respondent is involved in the disappearance of my son Kyron who has been missing since June 4th."
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98051309.html

July 9, 2010 - Sources reveal that investigators have collected surveillance videos from local grocery stores in the disappearance of Kyron Horman.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98150609.html

July 9, 2010 -KATU News reporter Dan Tilkin attempts to ask Kyron’s stepmother, Terri Horman, about her polygraph tests and if she knows where Kyron is.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98146889.html

July 10, 2010 - In an interview with ABC, Kaine Horman suggests Terri Horman may have suffered from some form of post-partum depression.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98176764.html

July 12, 2010 - Kaine Horman files a motion accusing Terri Horman of violating a restraining order against her by carrying on a sexual relationship with one of his childhood friends, sharing sealed legal information and trying to kidnap their daughter.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98272674.html

July 13, 2010 - Terri now wants money from her estranged husband, Kaine Horman, to move out of the family home.
http://www.katu.com/news/local/98369319.html?abc=L19yRBXf

From the oregonlive.com article above:

Red-eyed tree frogs have been trumped by randy text messages. This is no longer just sad. Now it's also disgusting.

BBM

Part of what has made this so disgusting is all the media appearances by Desiree and Kaine. It seems to me as though Terri's attorney is doing a good job... he most likely is advising her to stay out of the media...... not even to defend herself..... if she is innocent, all will come out in good time. Desiree and Kaine should take notes.... If they weren't feeding the media/public fodder for speculation, maybe people wouldn't be spending their time trashing Terri instead of focusing this case on where Kyron is and how to bring him home.

All I want to know is this: If Terri was such an awful step-mother... and they suspected the worst before this ever happened with Kyron.... why the hell didn't THEY do something about it? I suspect if the media would dig into Desiree's and Kaine's lives, they would find some pretty questionable things that could be trashed, as well..... why are so many just taking as gospel everything these two say????

I'm done.... for now....

Snaz...very well said. My personal opinion is it was easier to let Terri handle everything about being the parent, they could go on and have their own lives without being a fulltime parent. The only reason they now see "things" is not only hindsight, but also because the public is asking questions. I don't think there was anything that caused a red flag as far as Terri's parenting skills were concerned, until after Kryon went missing and LE zero'd in on Terri and convinced K & D there MUST have been signs.

Public Condemnation: Desiree Young portrays Terri Horman as an Evil, Conniving Actress!

By John G. Kays
Published:July 10th, 2010 13:30 EST

Since June 4th all our lives have been pre-occupied by the missing second-grader case of Kyron Horman. This case has a dimensional depth that taxes our reasoning capabilities and demands our utmost inspection of every detail that comes into view.

Our search for answers requires an understanding of psychology and family relationships, as well as a canny eye for any twists and turns that might signal a derailing. There were enough twists and turns this week to make it resemble a roller coaster ride at the Texas State Fair.

The biological parents` (Kaine Horman and Desiree Young) intimate Thursday interview on Good Morning America was both graphic and revelatory. A fragment of one statement (this comes from the restraining order that has since been made public) made by Kaine was profound and telling.

The police have provided me with probable cause to believe the above two statements are true. "

To capsulate, those statements are, one: Kaine`s strong belief that Terri Horman, his estranged wife, was involved in his son Kyron`s disappearance. And two: that Terri also tried to hire a hit-man to murder him (Kaine).

Implied in Kaine`s "probable cause` statement, is that he received enough information from the Multnomah County Sheriff`s Office to recognize they have a solid case against Terri. This is what I glean from this newly released document.

But is this a stretch? What possible physical evidence do they have on Terri? Do they have enough to arrest her? I doubt it. The cops are using the media and the parents to apply emotional and psychological pressure on Terri, hoping she will confess.

This gal seems to have anti-freeze in her veins. " Terri is tough and will not crack. Even the parents don`t believe that Terri will ever break. They must be in the know about her leathery hide that just won`t crack up.

The tactic is to put the biological parents on TV and to get them ranting and raving against Terri until she freaks out and confesses to the "horrible deed.` This is a precedent in terms of using the full force of the traditional media and the newer social media to smoke out the culprit. This is an ultimate "public condemnation.`

The first thing I thought of when watching Kaine and Desiree on Thursday, was the FBI broadcasting on loudspeakers of Nancy Sinatra`s These Boots Are Made for Walking-in the middle of the night at Mount Karmel. Kaine and Desiree are tossing lethal teargas canisters (figuratively) into the remote Portland household of Terri Moulton Horman.

But the estranged couple are rewinding the tape and magnifying events in the past; then they are recasting events in a sinister light. Now Terri is seen as role-playing, a very cunning actress who had malice in her heart all along for both Kaine and Desiree. The bit about the "post-partum depression` was but a blip on the radar screen.

The primary framing of Terri`s deviant character came from the lips of Desiree. A reporter pointed out that it`s hard for the public to understand the notion that you could be a happy family, but that someone inside of the family would want to harm you. Desiree`s reply is most telling.

Have you ever been with someone that can disguise and put on that face that you can`t see what they`re thinking or feeling? That`s what it`s like. "

In other words, Terri completely tricked Desiree. Terri must be the greatest actress ever since Betty Davis ruled the silver screen! But no joking, it`s vastly odd to me that Terri would take over Desiree`s old husband, and they would still be the best of friends. What`s even weirder is the fact that she`d let Terri bring up her precious little boy, Kyron.

I don`t mean to be cruel. It sounds like it just didn`t dawn on Desiree that Terri was up to something nefarious. And yet she also said that she was immediately suspicious of Terri when she called her on June 4th with the news that Kyron went missing from Skyline Elementary. Desiree said in this regard:

There was just certain details that just didn`t make any sense that gave me that sick to my stomach feeling. " D. Young says further: She hasn`t told the truth for seven and a half years that I have known her. " That tells me that Desiree was "on to Terri` earlier on. Not to make her feel any guiltier than she already feels, but perhaps she should have acted on her suspicions sooner.

And Kaine says that Terri`s behavior had been erratic after the birth of their daughter, but he never acted either on these apprehensions held about her behavior. These two are being "Monday Morning Quarterbacks` in this regard. These two are playing back the song on a better stereo.

They`re seeing and hearing things they never did before. Is this Terri the "Real Terri,` or has a reconstruction occurred, with the police and the media making contributions as script writers? Good writers too, Terri`s beginning to look like the Jealous Queen in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs!

A turning point of epiphany in the Thursday "skull session` was when D and K expressed their belief that Terri had help in the kidnapping of their seven-year-old son, Kyron. A reporter asked them Do you think she did it alone? " Desiree`s response was:

I don`t think so, because honestly she didn`t take out a contract on her husband alone, so I think she would probably need help. " Right when Desiree says this, the dynamic, the furtive glance, between the misbegotten parents is nothing short of a revelation. It`s as if the two have thought through this theory of Terri conspiring with another party in Kyron`s disappearance.



A fabric of guilt is woven right in the public eye. But nothing solid is provided. True, Terri did leave right in the middle of her first polygraph test. Yes, this is suspicious. But no actual facts have been put forth yet, by either the police or the parents, that would prove definitively that Terri is guilty of Kyron`s kidnapping.

Instead, what we are left with, is that this lady was an incredible actress who completely fooled K and D for more than seven years, leading them to believe that she had their best interests at heart. The portrait that now emerges is one of consummate evil. Cunning and forethought to cut them up.

Terri is portrayed as a "pathological narcissist,` who once she lost the center of gravity, once she failed to be an object of everyone`s attention and affection, strikes out like a deadly cobra and bites her prey. I need something more concrete than this.

http://thesop.org/story/opinion/2010/07/10/public-condemnation-desiree-young-portrays-terri-horman-as-an-evil-conniving-actress.php

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/unusual_events_nature_of_disap.html


This is actually a very informative and thoughtful piece- it's long but well worth the read. Honest, read it! kh

Nice articles KH and Piper!

Anybody else notice the shift in media focus?

Thanks kh, that was very well written and definitely worth the read.

Hi Jag - I certainly agree, it's good to see some of these reporters calling off the hounds so to speak. Bring forth the facts, not all of the finger pointing and accusations.

Article kh referenced above:

Unusual events, nature of disappearance keep Kyron Horman saga in national spotlight

Published: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 9:30 AM
Lynne Terry, The Oregonian

More than a dozen journalists turned up even for a routine closed-door meeting outside a judge's chambers. A People magazine reporter has camped out in Portland for weeks. Websites devoted to the case have popped up all over the Internet. And reader comments to online stories have soared into the thousands.

All this for Kyron Horman, who disappeared from Skyline School on June 4.

Thousands of children vanish every year. But there are many reasons why the saga of this 7-year-old boy has fueled seemingly insatiable curiosity coast-to-coast.

For months, Americans have faced a steady drumbeat of bad news that has been both overwhelming and impersonal. Then comes the image of the innocent, bespectacled face with a gap-toothed grim that tugs on hearts nationwide. The fractured family dynamics and sensational twists in this story also have captivated the public -- just as television soap operas reel in viewers day after day.

But perhaps the biggest factor feeding interest in the Kyron story has to do with the nature of his disappearance. Although hundreds of thousands of children are reported missing every year, about 115 are serious cases in which a child is abducted by a stranger and killed, held for ransom or taken for another reason. Kyron's case, though still unsolved, falls in this category, according to Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.

About a third of those 115 kids are taken off the street or from a vehicle. The rest are mostly snatched from their home, yard, park or wooded area or from a store. Only two -- less than 2 percent -- vanish from a school or day care.

"This is something that captures the attention of millions of moms and dads across the country," Allen said. "If your children aren't safe at school, where are they safe? That's one of the reasons why this case has resonated well beyond Portland and well beyond Oregon."

The image of Kyron's cute, smiling face that has been splashed on billboards, television screens, in newspapers and magazines and on websites has gripped the national psyche as well.

"He is absolutely the portrait of vulnerability -- a small, fragile, utterly defenseless 7-year-old child," said Alan Lipman, a clinical psychologist and head of the Center for the Study of Violence in Washington D.C. "To look at him is to see a small child who is utterly unprotected against the threats that the world has to offer."

Stories of other children who have vanished in the Northwest have captured national attention -- but they haven't stayed in the spotlight the way the Kyron saga has.

A year ago in the small town of McCleary west of Tacoma, 10-year-old Lindsey Baum disappeared during a short walk home from a friend's house about 9:30 p.m. on a Friday night. When she didn't come home, her mom called police. The next day investigators launched a massive search, employing dogs, horses and aircraft. The FBI was called in. Dozens of officers were assigned to the case. National television stations swooped in, broadcasting the image of the brown-eyed, smiling brunette on nightly newscasts.

The story was picked up by America's Most Wanted and her image appeared in a story about missing children on People magazine.

But national media outlets didn't stick with the story the way they're hanging on to developments in the Kyron case.

So, why the difference? Both disappeared in June at the start of a normally slow news period when media are hungry for stories. Both involve blended families. Lindsey's mother is divorced and Kyron has a mom, stepmom and dad and stepdad. Both involve cute kids and have generated an outpouring of leads.

But Lindsey did not vanish from a school and Rick Scott, undersheriff for the Grays Harbor County Sheriff's Office, which is handling Lindsey's disappearance, said a "there are a lot of differences in the dynamics of how those children disappeared."

In the past year, investigators have looked into 4,000 tips about Lindsey Baum. The Kyron case has generated 3,000 tips in five weeks alone.

Unlike Lindsey's mom, the parents and stepparents of Kyron largely stayed out of the public eye until recently. That -- and the tight-lipped investigation -- has fueled an outpouring of speculation and opinion on relatively new venues, from personal blogs to social media sites like Facebook.

A Twitter account has been set up in Terri Moulton Horman's name and the stepmom now has her own eponymous website -- run by other people.

She's not said anything publicly. She's not been named a suspect or even a person of interest. But the 40-year-old woman with a mane of curly, red hair is clearly a focus of the investigation -- and the media.

But take away the distressing reality that Kyron is still missing, and you've got the makings of summertime beach reading:

A timid 7-year-old boy vanishes from school, prompting a massive search. The investigation stalls. The parents and step-parents appear together but say little in two news conferences. Then Kyron's dad, Kaine Horman, slips out of the family home with his little half-sister Kiara. Terri calls 9-1-1. Two days later Kaine files for divorce, and in a restraining order alleges a murder-for-hire plot revealed two weeks ago by The Oregonian. He demands that she leave the house they have lived in that he owns.

Then allegations surface, accusing Terri of sharing sexual cell phone messages and engaging in an intimate relationship with one of Kaine's high school buddies.

That allegation pumped up public outrage and more interest in Kyron, Lipman said.

"The story of marital conflict creates further sympathy for Kyron and is something that people understand," he said.

The story has a compelling human element that the public needs to cling to right now after months of bad economic news and frustrating stories from the oil-soiled Gulf, he said.

"There's been a continuous stream of broadly based, difficult, depressing news about the state of the nation, and an incident like this about a beautiful young child suddenly disappearing can be a catalyst for the nation to care about," Lipman said.

All the media attention has not brought Kyron home but it could help, experts say.

"The media generate awareness," said Allen, head of the missing child group. "They generate leads."

But stories also fuel wild speculation, comments and rumors on the Internet.

"There's good and bad," said Scott, the undersheriff for the Grays Harbor County. "It creates a lot of false leads and rumors in the community that have to be sorted through. But the good outweighs the bad by keeping the case alive for the public."

And yet the intense spotlight can be difficult for the family, with stakeouts and their every move captured by the media.

"It's both a blessing and a curse on the family," said Al Tompkins, a faculty member at the Poynter Institute for Media Studies. "But it seems to me you get resolution in cases that might not otherwise get resolution on because there's a lot more pressure on police to act because there are more people watching."

It's not clear when investigators might crack this case, but the national media are not likely to go away anytime soon, Lipman said.

"I've never seen a case that once it's started that they don't stay with the story until they know the conclusion," he said.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/unusual_events_nature_of_disap.html

Kaine Horman describes how Terri Moulton Horman 'vented' after flunking her polygraph

Published: Friday, July 16, 2010, 9:48 PM
Updated: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 12:47 AM

Kaine Horman said Terri Moulton Horman came home from taking her first polygraph examination after Kyron's disappearance and "vented her failed results to all family, friends, and law enforcement at the house."

As the search for Kyron enters its sixth week, Kaine and Kyron's mother and stepfather, Desiree and Tony Young, invited The Oregonian and other media to submit written questions.

In his responses sent late Friday, Kaine Horman touches on the strife in his marriage, his belief that a third party was involved in his son's disappearance and how he is now coping with being a single father.

"Kiara and I have not discussed any of this yet," he wrote. "She can't quite talk just yet and would not be able to understand verbally what is happening yet. I am providing her with as much love, routine, and support that I possibly can."

Kaine Horman moved out of his family home June 26 with his 20-month-old daughter and has since gone to court to force Terri to leave. She has gone to Roseburg, where her family live.

The following are Kaine Horman's written responses:

Q. Kaine, did you know the landscaper who was involved in the alleged murder-for-hire plot? Did you ever meet him?

A: No, I did not know we had a landscaper and have never met him

Q: What are you reactions to this week's developments in court documents, which said Terri Horman had struck up a relationship with Kaine's high school friend, Michael Cook, and was sexting him days after you moved out and filed for divorce?

A: We will deal with the issue as part of the legal matters in front of us, it does not even approach the priority of finding Kyron so we will deal with it then. I have only seen Michael Cook recently since high school, which was during the week after Kyron when missing, so I cannot really comment on any relationship we had. We had just gotten reconnected and were trying to figure all that out.

I am not aware that Terri had met Michael prior to Kyron's disappearance.

Also Friday
Terri and Kaine Horman reach settlement; she moves out and leaves for Roseburg, where her parents live
Q: What were the "red flags" or warning signs that Desiree Young thought she may have missed prior to Kyron's disappearance? Desiree told the Today Show that Kyron seemed increasingly unhappy when he left their home after his visits with the Youngs. Kaine, did you see any warning signs and if so what?

A: Desiree's quote was not taken in its entirety. As a younger boy, Kyron can express distress when going from one household to the other if he has been having a great time and is looking forward to upcoming activities with that particular household. There was no abnormal amount of this happening after he left Desiree's household or when he left ours to go visit Desiree. He has been unhappy several times when he has had to leave our house to go visit Desiree, nothing Desiree or I would deem out of the ordinary.

Q: While you have said your marriage suffered after Kiara's birth and Terri's post-partum depression, was there any talk of separating or divorce before Kyron disappeared?

A: Yes there was but we worked through them in a positive manner (at least that was my impression.)

Q: Can you describe how Terri Horman handled the polygraph requests? I believe you have said to others that Terri walked out of a second polygraph, and then waited about 10 days before taking a third? Can you clarify this for us?

A: She fully cooperated and took the first polygraph then subsequently vented her failed results to all family, friends, and law enforcement at the house. A few days later she cooperated and went to take a second polygraph test but got up and walked out before the machine portion of the test could be administered... again by her own statement to family, friends, and law enforcement at the house ...She continually pushed back and refused to repeat the second test for several days (approx. 8-10) before going to take the test and then once again coming back to the house and venting to all listeners.

Q: Kaine, when are you planning to return to work?

A: The investigation is still our top priority, we drop anything, anytime, anywhere to do what is needed. In between those moments Desiree, Tony, and I have all been trying to get back to work to some degree. We will need to continue to be able to provide a home for Kyron when he returns so working even part time will be essential...Because of both cases (criminal and divorce) and becoming a single parent I have not had much time to work but I have been getting some hours in each week for the past few weeks working remotely.

Q: How is Kiara doing? What have you told Kiara about why she can't see her mom? Have Terri's parents seen Kiara or will they be able to and if so under what circumstances?

A: Kiara is doing as well as can be expected given the circumstance. Kiara and I have not discussed any of this yet, she can't quite talk just yet and would not be able to understand verbally what is happening yet. I am providing her with as much love, routine, and support that I possibly can.

Q:Kaine, how is the rest of your family handling the situation?

A: Not going to comment on behalf of others and how they feel.

Q: What is your reaction to Terri's attorney's characterization of the "witchhunt" aimed at his client?

A: I think Terri's past (since Kyron went missing) and continued actions are fanning the flames. All we have asked for is the truth. Until she comes forward with that truth and Kyron is found then I doubt that things will turn down in intensity.

Q: You have said in the past that you believe someone else may have been involved , aside from Terri, in Kyron's disappearance? What leads you to believe this and do you still hold those feelings?

A: I can't comment as to all of the reasons why based on the investigation but based upon briefings I firmly believe that someone else is involved.

Q: Do you expect to open your home, once you're back in it, for a more thorough search of it by law enforcement? Do you know if they've combed through the house carefully, with a dog?

A: We have fully cooperated with law enforcement since Day One in any and all searches of the house they have requested. They have done several thorough searches and I will continue to provide them full access to the house as they need it.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kaine_horman_describes_how_ter.html

Snipped from the article above:

Q: What were the "red flags" or warning signs that Desiree Young thought she may have missed prior to Kyron's disappearance? Desiree told the Today Show that Kyron seemed increasingly unhappy when he left their home after his visits with the Youngs. Kaine, did you see any warning signs and if so what?

A: Desiree's quote was not taken in its entirety. As a younger boy, Kyron can express distress when going from one household to the other if he has been having a great time and is looking forward to upcoming activities with that particular household. There was no abnormal amount of this happening after he left Desiree's household or when he left ours to go visit Desiree. He has been unhappy several times when he has had to leave our house to go visit Desiree, nothing Desiree or I would deem out of the ordinary.

I believe there is a reason Kaine answered this question this way. If Kyron was unhappy to have to leave Desiree's go back to Kaine's and Terri's home, then there could be some question as to whether or not Kyron was unhappy because he was going back to KAINE or to Terri.... I believe Desiree meant to imply TERRI, but in doing so, phrased it so that KAINE could be blamed at some point down the road.

I do not believe Desiree's comment was taken out of context. Kaine only wanted to make sure there was no opening for anyone to blame him IF Kyron was unhappy to go back to his home......

JMO

Exactly!

I just do not see an unhappy kid in any of the pictures. On the very day he went missing, he was a smiling fool....lol. So happy with himself and his project.

Q: While you have said your marriage suffered after Kiara's birth and Terri's post-partum depression, was there any talk of separating or divorce before Kyron disappeared?

A: Yes there was but we worked through them in a positive manner (at least that was my impression.)

So Kaine and Terri had been talking about divorce before Kyron went missing?

I wonder whose idea it was, or if it was a joint thought?

I read where Terri had just gotten her teaching certificate and had submitted to some schools for a full time teaching job.

I'm thinking Terri wanted out of the marriage and Kaine would probably want Desirae to take Kyron. My radar is still zoned in on Dez the Diva....I don't think she wants a full time 7 year old child. And since her troubles were all Terri's fault (for wanting to go to work and leave Kaine) Dez snuffed Kyron out and is actively engaged in trying to get Terri arrested and convicted.

LOL Lottie, I just can't see Desiree 'snuffing out' Kyron any more than I think Terrie killed him.

I still feel this is a 'stranger' abduction. I don't mean someone Kyron did not know, but just that it was not family. It could have been someone he knew but we don't know who it is.

You could certainly be right, mama! It's just that I have so much experience with a person like Dez seems to be (to me)....growing up with a mother who would calmly bold faced lie to my face about me as if she were telling the truth and I was crazy for not believing it about my own self....I just don't fall for Dez's calm when she really should be very upset. And with also my experiences with my mother who could turn on the drama of an apparent upset and turn it off just as abruptly...I see that in Dez as well. So I'm sticking to my guns...for now...:)

It all goes back to the school, Kyron didn't walk away and according to staff.....they all knew each other, a close knit community. Probably not as close knit as they think.

Tanner's account of events does not even seem to be coming into play here. Are they not listening to what this child said the day Kyron went missing... Something happened to Kyron inside that school, he did not wander off... Kyron was seen, then...marked as absent, no questions asked. Is LE not wanting to admit the school failed? Even in the event Terri came back in to get him, to do something to him, it shouldn't have taken until the end of the school day to figure out that Kyron was not in class or that something was amiss....it's a small school. A teacher would know if they saw their young student, then suddenly they are not present.

This was posted at Portland Craigslist. Not sure just what to make of it....

http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/pol/1842114093.html

The New Number One Suspect in Disappearance of Kyron Horman see photo (Skyline School Eagle Activities)

go to: http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/259.htm click on activities more than once and look at the photographs in the embedded slideshow for clues and a very good suspect....plus a big fat bonus lead!

This wicked evil step mother looks more and more like the mother of Jon Bene Ramsey. She is really getting the shaft and all the pressure in an investigation that seems to be public or just pretends to be. The problem with everything now being presented about the step mother makes her out to be a real manic depressive. Her apparent inappropriate hyper sexuality makes her much less a suspect than she is being made out to be. Her whereabouts and deceptions seem to be a normal part of her every day mania upswing cycle days. She is probably still very much overly attached to Kyron. At the time of the disappearance it does not seem like she had to worry about losing Kyron that she should need to abduct him. The bit about abducting her daughter would be a natural reaction of most mothers with a restraining order removing the child from them. The post partum depression sounds like the down swings of normal manic depressive disease behavior. Kyron disappeared in what seems to be the mania upswing and not the depressive phase so that just makes her less a suspect. She was out to find sex when her husband was at work. It makes sense she would want to drop him off at school early and be rid of him so she could run around exercising her mania. The bit about her having a third grade criminal mind sounds like total nonsense and it is questionable if the story about the proposed landscaper hit on her husband was something concocted by someone enjoying the media circus atmosphere that is developing around the case.

Here is an interchanging photo slideshow gif. It load differently after the eagle seen below under "activities" on the site. Some Internet arm chair crime sleuths with semi psychic powers saw something distrubing in these photos immediately.. This photo holds al real interesting clue . Actually more than one clue. This guy needs to be investigated and needs a sequence of lie detector tests. The photo comes from the skyline school staff web page on the Internet/ pps. you can find it and more subtle clues. This photo is showing you something, besides that the police seem to be protecting the reputation of the school and the school district instead of investigating them. Something in this photograph is right there in front of your face. I did not see it initially until someone showed it to me. Now i can't help but see it and it is disturbing. Very disturbing. This guy needs to be investigated. See if you can see what is wrong in the picture. Do you know who this person is?

And for a clue notice whose photos occurr frequently among male children. Children with glasses similar to Kyron. Lots of kids to choose from and girls who don't make much eye contact with the camera and boys wearing glasses like kyron's. study these photos and you too will have a new top suspect in this case. Not the photographer. we don't know who that is in the one photo? Maybe the photographer? The school should be a major target of the investigation . Look at the boys who get top billing in this slide show gif!

Oh and there are even more people on real probation at this little school house that you are not supposed to know about.,,,

And a new news flash. There is a big discrepency in the school's story about when they noticed Kyron was missing. Did you read this yet in the various timelines and compare the statement of Susan Hall , the school secretary , and her telephone record? She is calling the mother in Medford at 4:25 and the KGW time line says it is 3:45 that the step mother alerted the school that kyron was not on the bus. Is there a transcript that says she thinks he is lost or does she believe he might be getting a ride from someone or might just be back at school? The original time line says the school told the step mother that kyron was checked in "absent". I recall the school called 911? The biggest search for a missing person in state history by some reports begins. When did the call to 911 go out? 3:45? why does the secretary call a long distance phone number as an emergency contact when she does? The school originally does not have kyron listed as absent and witnesses had seen him at the school before classes began. The school secretary knows that students can find alternative means of transportation home with friends or their parents, teachers from this little remote school and not be on the regular school bus? There is something really fishy about the school and how fast it went into self protection mode that day. Who else might this secretary called between 3:45 and 4:25 maybe the whole school office phone record should be made public? It is curious how fast this became a missing person case if the school was not checking other possiblities first. Medford? The father's work number is not listed as a contact number for emergencies?

Don't forget to look at the photo fixation of children with glasses like kyron wears on the school website....

Location: Skyline School Eagle Activities
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On the Skyline website they have the Talent Show of June 4 as being at 4PM.

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools/skyline/ and click on calendar on right side of page.

I had assumed it was during the school day.

I don't get it. If Kyron was supposed to be in that Talent Show then why were Terri and Kaine expecting him to be on the bus at 3:45PM?

I can see Kaine maybe not being aware of Kyron being in a talent show....busy dad's are like that sometimes.....but I can't see Terri not knowing.

Kaine and Dez have said they didn't know anything about any Talent Show. And they have both said they haven't verified if Kryon was supposed to be in the talent show. Why not? Doesn't it matter? It's not like they couldn't find out because the year before the information about the talent show http://skylineelementary.org/files/5_26_09issue.pdf talks about how the acts had to be approved in advance, so the school would know if Kyron's act was approved. So what's the big deal secret about if Kyron was going to be in it or not?

Is there something about this show/Kyron's act that LE is holding back? Is there a potential clue in there as to what became of Kyron?

I really don't get it! Assuming Terri would have to know if Kyron was in it, she'd NOT expect him home on the bus. IF she did something with Kyron earlier, then why not pretend all was well and go TO the school for the Talent Show that afternoon (and find him missing) as opposed to pretending he was going to be on the bus? That's a Major Faux Pas IF Terri is guilty! And it's one I don't believe she'd make!

I have to assume Kyron wasn't supposed to be in the Talent show IF the 4PM time is correct.

But no matter what time the show was, I think it's imperative that it be confirmed if Kyron was to participate because it could go to Terri's innocence in that, if he was going to be in it Terri likely would have gone to watch him in it no matter if she'd gotten rid of him earlier or not. She wouldn't have ignored it because it's pretty close to being an admittance of guilt.

Right now the suggestion Kyron was supposed to be in the talent show is rumor! But it's one that easily squelched! If he wasn't supposed to be in it, then why not just say so? And if he was supposed to be in it and Terri didn't show up for it, I think that's bigger than her sexting messages so why hasn't LE released that damning hanger on Terri?

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/still_no_trace_of_kyron_horman.html

Nora Schreiber, a Skyline parent and volunteer, said the school has three main entrances and one secure exit. Two of the doorways are near the main office and are monitored, while a third on the north side of the school is not. Kyron's classroom is adjacent to that door, which opens onto a rear parking lot.

Schreiber said she and her son, Jacob, 9, were interviewed Sunday by a federal agent. She said she told the agent that Friday was an especially hectic day at Skyline.

"On a normal day, seeing a stranger will make you go, 'Hmm. I wonder who that is?' On such a hectic day as Friday, there was such a lot going on. To tell you the truth, I was focused on looking at the (science) project and helping Jacob fill out his (evaluation) form and not on the faces around me."

Schreiber said Kyron was supposed to perform in the school's talent show at 1 p.m. but she didn't see him there.

I think it was a mistake on the schools website Lottie. They normally hold those events during school hours. At 1pm it is very possible the baby would have been napping and Terri may have been one of those mom's who felt naps were important. I used to just throw the baby in to the stroller and they'd nap there, but I've known plenty of mom's who would not stray from a routine for anything less then an emergency.

I've got to gripe! LOL

I think if anyone in the family should have kept their mouth shut it should have been Tony. He's a cop! And running his mouth about his suspicions about Terri not only promotes undue influence about Terri's 'guilt', it also seems a tad unethical for a cop - even from another jurisdiction- to go about blaming someone and in effect interfering with an ongoing investigation.

I can see Tony making that first presser for the family. But all the rest of his air time (except saying he loved Kyron) is out of line, IMO, especially his accusations that Terri 'knows more' and/or 'is guilty'.

JAG wrote:Exactly!

I just do not see an unhappy kid in any of the pictures. On the very day he went missing, he was a smiling fool....lol. So happy with himself and his project.

Agreed, JAG! Every picture we have seen, presumably from when he was with Kaine and Terri, he appears to be a very happy child..... seems to me he loved Terri..... otherwise, I believe unhappiness would have shown in his face when he was around her.

JMO

JAG wrote:http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/still_no_trace_of_kyron_horman.html

Nora Schreiber, a Skyline parent and volunteer, said the school has three main entrances and one secure exit. Two of the doorways are near the main office and are monitored, while a third on the north side of the school is not. Kyron's classroom is adjacent to that door, which opens onto a rear parking lot.

Schreiber said she and her son, Jacob, 9, were interviewed Sunday by a federal agent. She said she told the agent that Friday was an especially hectic day at Skyline.

"On a normal day, seeing a stranger will make you go, 'Hmm. I wonder who that is?' On such a hectic day as Friday, there was such a lot going on. To tell you the truth, I was focused on looking at the (science) project and helping Jacob fill out his (evaluation) form and not on the faces around me."

Schreiber said Kyron was supposed to perform in the school's talent show at 1 p.m. but she didn't see him there.

Thanks JAG! So the Skyline page is wrong. Still, I hold that Terri should have known about the show and I can't believe she wouldn't go watch him in it. IF she'd done anything with Kyron, common sense dictates she'd have gone to the talent show and played her 'where's Kyron' card then. So is it possible Terri didn't know about the talent show...and that Kyron's act was supported by another of his parents without Terri's knowledge?

I'd be interested to know what his talent act was supposed to be. Wonder if it had anything to do with CSI? It was said Kyron wanted to be a cop....like his stepdaddy. Did stepdaddy help Kyron with his act (speculation of course that his act was a cop/CSI thing).

I find that info about the door being adjacent to Kyron's classroom interesting. I wonder what door Terri used to exit the building since she was already right there by that door. Or who could have motioned to Kyron from that doorway that Kyron might have gone to them? Anyone could have!

It would be a horrible miscarriage of justice if a stranger had taken Kyron from that doorway! And it is entirely possible! And Tony the Cop should know that! So why all the harassment and slander toward Terri and ONLY Terri? One would think Tony would be able to keep an open mind and at least try to impart that there might be some unknown perp out there. But no....there is no 'might be someone else'...it's just Terri!

It makes no sense for the FAMILY to not want LE to look at the possibility of a stranger abduction...with that door RIGHT THERE BY HIS ROOM! It's like they know it wasn't a stranger abduction! How could they be so sure? Just because Terri is a liar?

I still think Terri is being framed! By Dez, and possibly with the help of Tony the Cop. I think Kaine is naive and vulnerable and is being used as a pawn by Dez and Tony to direct him to believe Terri would do something to Kyron. But as I've said before, I think Kaine will come to his senses and begin to take a second look at Terri and he will eventually turn on Dez. His most recent remarks seem to be moving in that direction.

Piper wrote:It all goes back to the school, Kyron didn't walk away and according to staff.....they all knew each other, a close knit community. Probably not as close knit as they think.

Tanner's account of events does not even seem to be coming into play here. Are they not listening to what this child said the day Kyron went missing... Something happened to Kyron inside that school, he did not wander off... Kyron was seen, then...marked as absent, no questions asked. Is LE not wanting to admit the school failed? Even in the event Terri came back in to get him, to do something to him, it shouldn't have taken until the end of the school day to figure out that Kyron was not in class or that something was amiss....it's a small school. A teacher would know if they saw their young student, then suddenly they are not present.

They do seem to be completely disregarding anything any child has to say..... just because Tanner is a child doesn't mean he doesn't know what he saw...... and they tend to tell the truth at that age (unless they are going to grow up to be a sociopath.... I guess hose kids can easily lie).

JAG wrote:http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/still_no_trace_of_kyron_horman.html

Nora Schreiber, a Skyline parent and volunteer, said the school has three main entrances and one secure exit. Two of the doorways are near the main office and are monitored, while a third on the north side of the school is not. Kyron's classroom is adjacent to that door, which opens onto a rear parking lot.

Schreiber said she and her son, Jacob, 9, were interviewed Sunday by a federal agent. She said she told the agent that Friday was an especially hectic day at Skyline.

"On a normal day, seeing a stranger will make you go, 'Hmm. I wonder who that is?' On such a hectic day as Friday, there was such a lot going on. To tell you the truth, I was focused on looking at the (science) project and helping Jacob fill out his (evaluation) form and not on the faces around me."

Schreiber said Kyron was supposed to perform in the school's talent show at 1 p.m. but she didn't see him there.

I think it was a mistake on the schools website Lottie. They normally hold those events during school hours. At 1pm it is very possible the baby would have been napping and Terri may have been one of those mom's who felt naps were important. I used to just throw the baby in to the stroller and they'd nap there, but I've known plenty of mom's who would not stray from a routine for anything less then an emergency.

Do you think maybe Kaine was supposed to come home from work and watch the baby while Terri went? Is that why he was working from home that day? Didn't he say he got home about 1:45? He'd be late though....so maybe Terri was planning on going until Kaine showed up late?


ETA: didn't Terri email about 1PM about if she needed to pick up Kyron's exhibit?

Were you guys able to find the embedded slideshow on the school website? I can't find it....
That poster's words intrigued me and I want to see those pics...

The talent show is an issue that should be easily cleared up, was Kyron really to participate or not. When Kaine said goodbye to Kyron that morning he mentioned the science fair but nothing about a talent show. I agree Lottie, if Terri did something to Kyron and he was supposed to be in the show, you think she would have showed her face to cover her a$$.

July 06--The last time Kaine Horman saw his little boy was 7:45 a.m. on June 4. Kyron had just come back to the house after feeding the family cat, Bootsie, and his Dad was heading into work.

"I walked over to him, told him I was extremely proud of him for the effort he put into his red-eyed tree frog project, and for him to have a great and fun day at the science fair," his dad recalled this evening.

"We talked about maybe going for a special treat and playing the Wii after school, and then I said. 'I love you.'"

"I love you, too, Dad," Kaine heard his son say.

They were the last words he has heard from Kyron.

http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewiStockNews/articleid/4280195

Kaine Horman recalled leaving his office at Intel at about 1:45 the day his son disappeared, reaching home about 15 minutes later. Terri Horman was already in the house, on her laptop, he said.

The dad kissed Kiara, grabbed some food and worked from his home office until about 3:30 p.m. Then he put shoes on his daughter and they started walking toward the bus stop.

LottieM wrote:I've got to gripe! LOL

I think if anyone in the family should have kept their mouth shut it should have been Tony. He's a cop! And running his mouth about his suspicions about Terri not only promotes undue influence about Terri's 'guilt', it also seems a tad unethical for a cop - even from another jurisdiction- to go about blaming someone and in effect interfering with an ongoing investigation.

I can see Tony making that first presser for the family. But all the rest of his air time (except saying he loved Kyron) is out of line, IMO, especially his accusations that Terri 'knows more' and/or 'is guilty'.

I'm bringing this over from the other page so it doesn't get lost. :)

I'm really on Tony's case today! But only because I'm in a mood to dissect everyone!

I was thinking when the first family presser came out and Tony did the talking that it was weird. That was my first impression when it happened because Tony is the furthest removed from Kyron. So he'd be the likeliest one to remain unemotional....but wouldn't it have been better for a family member TO BE emotional at that point?

If I'm not mistaken, Kaine spoke a bit after Tony, but both mothers were left off the agenda. Why?

I don't know...I thought it was weird that Tony took charge from the start....is he still in charge?

Piper, the photos are embedded in the banner at the top of the page. Just keep clicking activities and it changes the photos.

I *think* they are talking about a photo with the adult male and kids holding a downed tree. Nothing jumped out at me.

Ok, got it ....it was right in front of me..

There are about 3 to 4 boys that have glasses, but also pictures of girls. Nothing jumps out at me either.

Lottie~ I don't think Terri is directly involved in Kyron's disappearance. I also don't think the other family members are either.

My personal opinion on all of this, given what we have seen to date, is that Kryon was taken by somebody with a personal vendetta against Terri. The wife of a person who had an affair with Terri..... a man who had an affair with her who wanted Terri to leave Kaine and she wouldn't. Somebody along those lines. I also believe this to be the reason Terri is not putting up a fight and remaining silent. I believe Terri has to lose everything for this person to feel content and satisfied that Terri has been paid back for whatever hurt they feel she inflicted on them and Terri is doing what she has to do to get Kyron back safely....she is allowing herself to be stripped of everything she holds near and dear. She knows once Kyron is found, she can go back and work on getting all of this stuff reversed, with the exception of the divorce.

This opinion is subject to change as true facts emerge.

I had thought in the beginning Terri was hiding Kyron. Especially after it came out that Desiree had gotten an RO on Kaine. Terri would have no legal rights to Kyron should they divorce and I thought she may have felt like she was protecting Kyron from being left alone with his father if that were to happen. That theory changed for me when Kaine took the baby and filed the RO. *IF* Kaine was abusing the family, she would not sacrifice the baby for Kyrons safety. I think at that point, she would have told what she knew and why she did what she did, if only to protect her daughter.

Piper wrote:Ok, got it ....it was right in front of me..

There are about 3 to 4 boys that have glasses, but also pictures of girls. Nothing jumps out at me either.

If we go by this statement:

And for a clue notice whose photos occurr frequently among male children. Children with glasses similar to Kyron. Lots of kids to choose from and girls who don't make much eye contact with the camera and boys wearing glasses like kyron's. study these photos and you too will have a new top suspect in this case. Not the photographer. we don't know who that is in the one photo? Maybe the photographer? The school should be a major target of the investigation . Look at the boys who get top billing in this slide show gif!

Oh and there are even more people on real probation at this little school house that you are not supposed to know about.,,,

I *think* this person is implying the person who designed the banner should be looked at because of his choices of photo's. Or possibly the adult male in the one photo?

Snipped Kaine's email answers to KATU:

KATU: Kaine, why did you and Terri switch cars the day Kyron disappeared? Did you typically drive the white truck, and Terri the red mustang? Did she request to have the truck that day?

Kaine: I typically drive the truck and Terri drives the car. She wanted to use the truck to bring Kyron’s science fair project home, easier done with the truck than the car, although she did not stay for the duration of the science fair - per her statements that the media has reported.

So Kaine is stating Terri didn't stay for the duration of the science fair. It appears Terri expected to bring the project home because she drove the truck for that reason. But all visitors were to be out of the school at 8:45, correct? Then the science fair continued for students only, the projects stayed at the school. So she did not leave the science fair early....

I agree Jag, hopefully LE has identified that person in the photo. He may be a teacher. It is an angle to look at though, the photographer and all. You never know.

The poster also stated other school employees were on probation, I wonder if there's any truth to that and how they know.

It does seem more likely to me this was done to destroy Terri, a pretty brazen payback to say the least.

JAG...what's this about Desirae getting a RO against Kaine?

Details please! TIA

Piper wrote:Snipped Kaine's email answers to KATU:

KATU: Kaine, why did you and Terri switch cars the day Kyron disappeared? Did you typically drive the white truck, and Terri the red mustang? Did she request to have the truck that day?

Kaine: I typically drive the truck and Terri drives the car. She wanted to use the truck to bring Kyron’s science fair project home, easier done with the truck than the car, although she did not stay for the duration of the science fair - per her statements that the media has reported.

So Kaine is stating Terri didn't stay for the duration of the science fair. It appears Terri expected to bring the project home because she drove the truck for that reason. But all visitors were to be out of the school at 8:45, correct? Then the science fair continued for students only, the projects stayed at the school. So she did not leave the science fair early....

Interesting Piper...does Kaine not know anything about his son's school day?

Where was Kiara that morning anyway that Kaine assumed Terri was going to stay longer than 8:45?

I don't see why the truck was necessary to carry that tiny exhibit. Except for convertibles, don't the backseats of Mustangs fold down to expand the trunk space?

It came out earlier that at the time Kaine and Desiree got divorced, a month after she left she filed a RO against him. So we know she left when she was 8 months pregnant, which leads me to conclude she would have been due for Kyron or shortly after his birth. Which would also conclude that Daddy dearest was not present at Kyron's birth....unless it was after he was already born.

Let me try and find the link....

Kaine Horman had been married once before, to Kyron’s biological mother, who now goes by the name Desiree Young. Washington County Circuit Court records show Young was pregnant with Kyron, the couple’s only child, when she filed for divorce from Kaine in August 2002. She cited irreconcilable differences.

What hasn’t been made public is the fact that, a month after filing for divorce, Young sought a restraining order against Kaine Horman, Kyron’s dad.

At the time, she had a 7-year-old son from a previous marriage. In court documents, Young said she feared Kaine Horman would “remove our children from their residence.” It’s unclear whether the couple was living together at the time. Washington County Circuit Judge Donald Letourneau granted Young’s request, forbidding either her or Kaine Horman from taking the children without the other’s consent.

http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3633/14183/?SOURCE=RSS

JAG wrote:It came out earlier that at the time Kaine and Desiree got divorced, a month after she left she filed a RO against him. So we know she left when she was 8 months pregnant, which leads me to conclude she would have been due for Kyron or shortly after his birth. Which would also conclude that Daddy dearest was not present at Kyron's birth....unless it was after he was already born.

Let me try and find the link....

aine Horman had been married once before, to Kyron’s biological mother, who now goes by the name Desiree Young. Washington County Circuit Court records show Young was pregnant with Kyron, the couple’s only child, when she filed for divorce from Kaine in August 2002. She cited irreconcilable differences.

What hasn’t been made public is the fact that, a month after filing for divorce, Young sought a restraining order against Kaine Horman, Kyron’s dad.

At the time, she had a 7-year-old son from a previous marriage. In court documents, Young said she feared Kaine Horman would “remove our children from their residence.” It’s unclear whether the couple was living together at the time. Washington County Circuit Judge Donald Letourneau granted Young’s request, forbidding either her or Kaine Horman from taking the children without the other’s consent.

http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3633/14183/?SOURCE=RSS

Thanks JAG! Very interesting....

LottieM wrote:

JAG wrote:It came out earlier that at the time Kaine and Desiree got divorced, a month after she left she filed a RO against him. So we know she left when she was 8 months pregnant, which leads me to conclude she would have been due for Kyron or shortly after his birth. Which would also conclude that Daddy dearest was not present at Kyron's birth....unless it was after he was already born.

Let me try and find the link....

aine Horman had been married once before, to Kyron’s biological mother, who now goes by the name Desiree Young. Washington County Circuit Court records show Young was pregnant with Kyron, the couple’s only child, when she filed for divorce from Kaine in August 2002. She cited irreconcilable differences.

What hasn’t been made public is the fact that, a month after filing for divorce, Young sought a restraining order against Kaine Horman, Kyron’s dad.

At the time, she had a 7-year-old son from a previous marriage. In court documents, Young said she feared Kaine Horman would “remove our children from their residence.” It’s unclear whether the couple was living together at the time. Washington County Circuit Judge Donald Letourneau granted Young’s request, forbidding either her or Kaine Horman from taking the children without the other’s consent.

http://www.wweek.com/editorial/3633/14183/?SOURCE=RSS

Thanks JAG! Very interesting....

I thought so as well. But how in the world did he think he could take both kids?? Desiree's oldest wasn't his child.

I don't think Kaine was planning to take both kids, I think Desiree just thought he was going to. She left Kaine a month before Kyron was born, but not sure when she took out the RO. Then her oldest son went to live with either his dad or grandparents, and she sent Kyron to live with Kaine when he was 18 months old because of an 'illness' that was being treated in Canada???????

Could her illness have been mental? Could she have also been suffering from PPD? But, what ever, she never did get any of her kids back. WHY???????????????

mama, they said Dez's illness was a kidney issue.

I find it weird that Dez would take out a RO on Kaine and then let him have the baby.

And it's too much that Dez filed an RO on Kaine, Kaine files an RO on Terri....do they just play 'threat' games with ROs?

JAG, I don't know what to think as to why Dez would think Kaine would take James...but I have a suspicion...wait, where's my crystalball? ...that Kaine may have threatened Dez when she filed for divorce before Kyron was born that he was going to take the kid from her after it was born and take James too....just to be a jerk because she had the nerve to file divorce from him.