Kyron Horman -- Missing 6/4/10 #1

I just can't understand how seemingly intelligent ppl cannot listen to a voice of reason - just a voice asking ppl to look at FACTS and base their opinion upon solid EVIDENCE rather than hearsay and sloppy journalism who rely on bloggers of all ppl to report "factual" information...
AJ - I admire you so much - and I think you know that - we all know that you always have one goal - and that is to help seek justice for these victims. I think you're second goal is to open ppl's blinded eyes to our reliance on second-hand journalism - to encourage ppl to SEARCH THEMSELVES for the truth. And NO ONE does that better than you!! You are the model warrior for justice and integrity - and I for one sincerely appreciate all that you and all that you bring to this board and others. Keep on doing what you're doing, I know it ain't easy - but I have to believe you're making progress. You certainly opened my eyes to what really happens in the court of public opinion (and even inside LE) when there is shoddy journalism involved and you have encouraged me to look at facts before jumping to conclusions. I know you go above and beyond the typical arm chair detectives by making phone calls to LE, victims family, landfill operators, bondsmen, and who knows who else - all in the name of justice! Your work really does not go unnoticed, and I know many of you others do the same (this isn't just an aj love fest lol) but there are MANY other hard workers - and to me, all of your input is valuable - I enjoy reading your theories and opinions because it helps me to expand my way of thinking and open my eyes to ideas not previously considered. And thank ya'll for helping me to find a new home :0)

Very well said, tish! My thoughts exactly.

Good job, AJ!

ummm - desiree says here that she saw warning signs... then WHY didn't she DO something? now, if one day we find out that this was a stranger abduction, what's going to be her story then??
There is still no EVIDENCE presented by LE that terri was involved, and if they have evidence, my next question is why hasn't she been arrested? SO, based on that, I presume there is NO evidence linking them to Terri - and she's not a seasoned criminal, so I don't believe that she can do this "very planned" abduction and not leave a trail...

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y_1.html#modg_smoref_face

As I said before, I really wish Desiree and Kaine would STOP trashing Terri and focus completely on finding Kyron and bringing him home.......

IMO, they aren't doing themselves, OR KYRON, any favors every time they open their mouths.

Article tish referenced above:

Kyron Horman's mother Desiree Young says boy's disappearance was 'very planned'

Published: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 6:03 AM Updated: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:38 PM


Desiree Young talked with the "Today" show about her suspicions that Terri Moulton Horman is responsible for Kyron's disappearance.

Kyron Horman's mother and stepfather are convinced the boy's stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, is responsible for his disappearance, according to an interview that aired on this morning's "Today" show.

"Without a doubt," Desiree Young said, Terri Horman plotted the boy's disappearance.

"I think it was very planned," she said, sitting next to her husband, Medford police detective Tony Young.

Tony Young agreed.

"I absolutely believe that Terri Horman is responsible for Kyron's disappearance," he said.

Desiree Young said she overlooked warning signs from her son before he vanished.

She described "red flags," such as Kyron's increasing unhappiness with returning to his father and stepmother's Portland home after visiting his mother.

"He wanted to come live with us," she said. "Several times he would just break down and sob because he wanted to stay."

She said she's guilt-stricken that she wasn't there to protect him and that she missed the science fair – the last time anyone saw the Skyline second-grader.

Desiree Young also responded to new allegations that Terri Horman sent explicit texts to a high school friend of Kyron's father, Kaine. "It's disgusting," she said.

Desiree Young issued a plea for her son's safe return: "To the person or persons that have Kyron, I miss my son so much that I can't breathe at times. Please let him go. Just take him to a remote pay phone or somewhere out of the way and tell him to call 9-1-1."

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/kyron_hormans_mother_desiree_y_1.html#modg_smoref_face

"Desiree Young issued a plea for her son's safe return: "To the person or persons that have Kyron, I miss my son so much that I can't breathe at times. Please let him go. Just take him to a remote pay phone or somewhere out of the way and tell him to call 9-1-1."

There she goes again! Me, me, me...."I can't breathe", yada yada blah blah blah...WHERE IS THE PLEA TO NOT HURT KYRON!???? I'll bet you she can't say it!

Snaz wrote:As I said before, I really wish Desiree and Kaine would STOP trashing Terri and focus completely on finding Kyron and bringing him home.......

IMO, they aren't doing themselves, OR KYRON, any favors every time they open their mouths.

Her script says "I want to keep this about Kyron" but her lips say "Terri, Terri, Terri!"

PS: Lottie~ Glad to see you're still sittin on that fence with me. kh

khintx wrote:

Her script says "I want to keep this about Kyron" but her lips say "Terri, Terri, Terri!"

Glad to join you on the fence, kh! Love the above quote!

Dez is absolutely out to get Terri as is Tony....Kaine seems to be too, but I think he's being led by Dez and Tony-the-cop.

I foresee Kaine changing his tune shortly. He's going to see through Dez because she's getting way out of hand with her desperation to get Terri arrested.

MissMonkey wrote:In a previous interview, Desiree said that the story Terri was telling didn't add up because she, Desiree, knew the school well and it was not making sense.

From that, I gather she had been to the school for other events.

How many parents that live in the area didn't make it to the school that morning for the Science Fair? Does that make them not want their children?

Where was it stated that people didn't know that Desiree was Kyron's mother or that Terri wasn't his birth mother? I haven't come across those articles yet.

You are correct, I do remember her saying that! I thought at the time it was because she had lived there with Kaine and HER oldest child. I believe her child would have been school age when she was married to Kaine.

And I do agree with you that not attending the science fair does not make a person a bad parent. I don't believe Desiree is involved in Kyron's disappearance, but I don't believe Terri is either. I DO think Desiree is embellishing her role as Kyron's mother. I think she was content to allow Terri to do all the day to day drudgery of motherhood....either by choice or because of her illness, neither I of which I hold against her. She made the best choice for her child, and herself, at that time in her life, she should not second guess herself now.

Took me a few minutes to find the rest of your request, but here it is:

Terri volunteered at Skyline School, where Kyron was in second grade, and she took him to swimming lessons with James and with Kiara.

"They're very nice people," said Adam Farber, who runs a swimming school and taught Kyron to swim and worked on strokes with James. Farber had no idea until he went missing that Kyron was Terri's stepchild. "They all fit in really well."

From this link:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

I heard on the news just now that the story about Terri intending to abduct Kiara from the gym goes like this....

She called and asked if Kaine was there and if they would tell her if he came in. The part about Kiara was an assumption that the baby would be there too if Kaine was.

Hearing that, here's what I think...

Terri had a RO to stay away from Kaine, so she probably only wanted to make sure he wasn't there (and the baby wasn't there too) so she wouldn't be violating her RO when she went there.

I know the RO said she had to stay away from the gym as a whole...but she probably was going to ignore that part.

The guy from the gym who called this in to LE....I think he just panicked because he thought Terri was up to something without even knowing about the RO in particular. And maybe Terri didn't blurt it out as a reason why she wanted to find out if and when Kaine was there.

Lottie, I think the news has it incorrect. According to the court documents, Terri went into the gym and spoke one on one with the clerk asking them to call her WHEN Kaine was there with the baby.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf

Page 11
Paragraph 16

It doesn't change the fact this was before she was served the papers. I don't think that accusation will hold water.

Lottie, It was already stated that Terri questions at the gym re: Kiara..were made b4 the RO.....

On account of Kyron having gone missing and Terri's questions to the caregiver at the gym d/c of Kiara, it was assumed that she must be " creating another abduction plan".....as opposed to a violation.. If this happened after the RO was issued, it wud have been a violation and there is no way she wudnt have been picked up

If this is the case, clearly she isnt a very good " premeditator" ..and surely she wudnt have beeen lucky enough to keeep LE at bay thios long....

Also, although it is sad that Kaine and Desiree have chosen to deal with Kyrons disappearnce by attacking and blaming... I do believe it is human nature... When we have to deal with something so unimagineable, I think it wud be easy to be drawn towards finding someone to distract us... By these 2 spending all their time going bak in time and reevaluating Kyrons life, it wud be easy for them to be plagued by now looking at situations and circumstances where they now feel were signs about Terri....

I believe this type of thinking is an escape. It allows Kaine and D to spin th epain of acknowledging their son is really gone in real life, by compensating and softening the blow to be;llieveing that Kyron is really alive somewhere that Terri has hid him.

By blaming her, lets them continue to hold on to believeing Kyron isnt with a stranger, and that he is alive.

If they were to believe she didnt have him, and that she wasnt involved, wud mean that they wud have to look at the reality that a stranger took him and have to consider that he may be gone forever....

I dont blame them as much as the ppl around them who enable them to think this way. LE is a very strong influence and so is the media. It wud be easy to become poisoned, and corrupt, and it wud also serve as a bit of comfort for them in terms of not having to think the absolute worse of Kyrons whereabouts.

If we think of any situation in our own life, it is easy to draw parallels..

When a young person dies, I have seen where ppl become enraged with a doctor and blame him, when in reality, the death was prolly non preventable. Its easy to become obsessed with someone to blame because in reality, the behavior allows us to not deal with the reality that the person is gone.

We see this is in cases like where a young person dies we cant accept that it was natural so it become easy to believe someone else was responsible so we can be made and hate them and not spend ou\r time grieving. A good example is the Widmer case, where the young wifes parents love the son in law, and agree that he loved her so much and wudnt hurt a fly... He gets charged with her murder in 24 hours and these inlaws insist that he make bond and that he is innocent.. It is only a matter of time befoire the mother has done a complete 180 and now sees her son in law as a murderer, when she had alsways loved him and no one cud fiund a bad thing to say about the guy.. It is influenvial agencies and media and public opinion that help sway us..Once we start hating/blaming we are almost totally void of what ever the loss is...

I wush more ppl in that community wud consider that the 3 od them are not rational.. How can any of them be thinking clearly. There are 3 adults who have no clue where theur little boy is ..and one of them is being blamed for it... I cant see that any of them are in their right mind....

JAG and aj....You're both right! Terri did go to the gym before the RO was served. I even posted that a while back....and forgot! Lame! haha

What do you all think of this Mike Cook guy? They've been showing clips of him helping hand out flyers etc...and he's pretty darn jolly!

*IF* I were going to "kidnap" my child, I sure as heck would not ask a clerk who knows me to call me! I really believe it was simply she wanted to see her baby, nothing more and nothing less.

That was taped before all this came out Lottie, bet he isn't so jolly now.

JAG wrote:*IF* I were going to "kidnap" my child, I sure as heck would not ask a clerk who knows me to call me! I really believe it was simply she wanted to see her baby, nothing more and nothing less.

That was taped before all this came out Lottie, bet he isn't so jolly now.

Why was he so jolly then?

I agree with you about the 'kidnap'. You know that little girl is missing her mommy. So sad!

Exactly Lottie, I think it is horrible! I acknowledge that there is a DUI 6 yrs ago that I dont condone at all and I dont know the circumstances either... thats said a person shudnt drink and drive period let alone with child...

Aside from that event 6 yrs ago, I have only heard good things about Terri as a mother.. If there were questiionable situations/circumstances... we wud have heard by now..

For D to say that she is now convinced Kyron was unhappy at home because he didnt want to leave is absurd.. The pic of Kyron in front of his project doesnt look like an unhappy child to me... Any pic I have seen of him, shows me he felt loved and returned the love in every pic... I know that pics dont say everything but they say lots.. Also we never heard from and nweighbors, classmates parents about anything but very positive things...

As far as jolly Mike, I guess I wonder if therer has been money in it for him.. I also wonder if he intentionally set out to exploit Terri knowing how vulnerable she might be... He throw out the bait and she took it...

To me, this speaks volumes about his character.. I think he led her believe he had her bak, and he put a knife in it as soon as she was turned around...

Her poor baby must be sick.. I cant imagine the thought that both mom and child are going thru..and to top it off, especially if she is innocent and I havent seen any reason to think anyone in his family is involved...

If we look at the timeline we are now hearing that LE want to know where Terri was between 9 and 1... I suspect she was either at home and has no one to confirm this (like Misty) so LE have sent out flyers asking if anyone saw the truck or Terri that day... or Terii was out somewhere and told them exactly where she was and they wont believe her..(like Misty)..yet if there was one drop of evidence she wud have been arrested along time ago...

If Tanner is correct in his account, it seems pretty obviouzs that a S.O took him.. maybe a relative of a student, neighbor or someone off the street that saw a sigh and thought he wud try his luck in a high risk crime ( Like Alisa Maier) who put all his chips on the table and took a chance and actually walked away.. If this is the case Kyron cud still be his hostage like many we have heard about over the yrs, of he is gone....

If Terri took him, the only thing I can think of is that he is dead..... If she did take him, I cant believe that she wud have taken such a high risk gazmble (like a high rsisk SO wud take) as she hasnt shown that type of person..to think that theyt say she planned it out,.,why take such a risk??? it wud have been so easy for someone to have seen him with her as well as her truck....

I have maintained all along that on account he hasnt been found in searches fields ditches etc.. it seems like the next besty though is the dump,... If he is there everyday that goes by is justice slipping for Kyron..If he is in there, who ever did it will be caught whether it is Terri, D K or a perp... If they dont look there, it is a miscarriage of justice.. Kyron like any child deserves to be looked for.. even if it far fetched..

The more tyhere are so many ppl, accepting LE shoddy investigation along with the media.. they will not be forced into exploring this... I cant believe the likes of NG has never even mentioned it either.. SHe has many times influeneced investigations by drumming up publicity.. I wish for once she wud work for the justice of a child instead of money made from a missing child.... She has a lot of power and abuses it ...

Kyron's mother claims Terri planned disappearance

Story Updated: Jul 14, 2010 at 6:23 PM PDT

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) - The birth mother of an Oregon boy missing for over a month said she believes the boy's stepmother planned his disappearance just as the boy was asking to move out of the stepmother's home.

In a Tuesday interview with NBC's "Today" show, the birth mother, Desiree Young, reiterated her accusation that Kyron Horman's stepmother was involved in his June 4 disappearance.

"Without a doubt, I think it was very planned," Young said.

Terri Horman, Kyron's stepmother, has not been named as a suspect in the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman. Before he disappeared, Kyron lived with his stepmother and his birth father in Portland. Desiree Young lives in Medford.

"I absolutely believe that Terri Horman is responsible for Kyron's disappearance," said Tony Young, Desiree's husband and a detective with the Medford Police Department.

Terri Horman's attorney, Portland defense lawyer Stephen Houze, did not immediately return calls seeking comment on Wednesday.

Terri Horman has become isolated from the family since Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, filed for divorce and requested a restraining order against her, claiming that he believes she was involved with Kyron's disappearance.

Kaine Horman also said in his request for a restraining order that investigators told him that he had been the target of a murder plot by his wife in late 2009.

On Tuesday, a judge consolidated the restraining order and divorce into one case.

Young has said Terri Horman was supposed to drive Kyron to Eugene on the day he disappeared to turn him over to her and Tony Young to spend the weekend in Medford.

On Tuesday, Young told "Today" she had to work the day of the science fair, and is racked by guilt that she wasn't there.

"To know that I was four and a half hours away when he needed me to protect him," Desiree Young said, "the fact that I had to work that day instead of going to the science fair like I wanted to, that I feel guilty for, too."

She said Kyron was unhappy in his father and stepmother's house, and resisted being returned there.

"Kyron became increasingly unhappy about not spending time with me," Young said. "He wanted to come and live with us. Several times he would just break down and just sob because he wanted to stay."

Investigators re-interviewing people who saw Kyron

Meanwhile, investigators are re-interviewing people who say they saw Kyron at Skyline School the day he disappeared.

One person who has been asked again about what he saw is Skyline seventh-grader Tyler Kessinger, whose science fair project was on antimatter. He said investigators came back to interview him last week at his home.

“I just saw him (Kyron) in the gym, and I saw the truck out in the parking lot,” he said Wednesday. Kessinger said Kyron was looking at other students’ science fair projects, seemed happy and was with friends.

Kessinger said he hopes it’s all cleared up soon because it’s a frightening situation for him.

“Just knowing someone took him and not coming out and confessing, and that he’s probably in some other random place,” he said.

He said when he saw Kyron in the gym he didn’t see Terri Horman with him. He and his family have turned over pictures they took at the science fair to investigators, but they’ve been asked not to disclose the timeframe in which he saw Kyron.

Additionally, Kessinger said that investigators didn’t ask him anything new.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98434609.html

Why don't they want the time frame out? And just what truck did he see in the parking lot? Terri's truck? LE is back in that area searching trucks, so was it NOT Terri's truck in the lot? Was Terri already gone when this happened? Why are they now looking at different trucks?

"To know that I was four and a half hours away when he needed me to protect him," Desiree Young said, "the fact that I had to work that day instead of going to the science fair like I wanted to, that I feel guilty for, too."

This is the biggest pile of BS ever! Let's do the math...the science fair was from 8-8:45...minus out the 4 1/2 hour drive + at least an hour for Dez to do her hair and makeup etc = 5 1/2 hours....she would have to get up by 3AM and leave by 4AM just to get there by 8:30. I and NOT seeing that happening even if she didn't have to work!

I might believe it more if Dez ( and didn't have to work) had been planning to hang around the school all day, like for the talent show later...and then pick Kyron up after school to take him to her place for the weekend. But just for a few minutes at the science fair? Nope! I don't buy it no matter if she didn't have to work.

And I could believe it more that she felt guilty because she had to work and missed, not only the science fair but the talent show as well....but she claims she didn't know about the talent show...just that science fair! The one thing she'd have gotten up at 3AM and driven 4 1/2 hours to go see IF she hadn't had to work.

I'd like to know what time Dez was seen at work that day.

Being as how this was a Friday and Terri was going to have to drive Kyron to Dez anyway, I can imagine Terri trying to get Dez to come on down for the day and see her kid's exhibit and then drive him to her place that afternoon...save Terri a trip.

aj, I can't stand NG! I did watch her a bit last night, but I had to turn her off because all she was doing was demanding everyone crucify Terri!

I too wonder if Cook wasn't put up to help make Terri look bad. He is, after all, Kaine's high school buddy. And I do think Terri is naive and depressed and would do about anything to have someone pay her a little bit of attention.

JAG wrote:Why don't they want the time frame out? And just what truck did he see in the parking lot? Terri's truck? LE is back in that area searching trucks, so was it NOT Terri's truck in the lot? Was Terri already gone when this happened? Why are they now looking at different trucks?

I don't know why they don't give a description of the truck they are now looking for....they might should even put out an amber alert for it if they really think there's something to this other truck. It might not be too late for an amber alert if they have a suspicious vehicle.

Furthermore, are all these trucks they're looking at the same color even? I just don't get the randomness of checking trucks without a specific description of a truck. It's like they got some anonymous tip saying it was a truck without any further description given.

http://newsblaze.com/story/20100714095724kays.nb/topstory.html

Suddenly a long lost friend, Michael Cook, gets on the merry-go-round of tabloid absurdity. How does Michael Cook fit into this Horman familial dysfunction that just won't go away? Even though he was a high school classmate of Kaine Horman, he magically appears out of the woodwork in late June, helps organize a vigil for missing Kyron, then colludes with Terri, taking cell phone pics of a sealed court order.


Why does Michael Cook believe that Terri Horman is innocent? Does he have an inside line on what may have happened to Kyron Horman? Cook appears to be an ordinary, nice guy, with no agenda to burn. What's up here?
Why did Cook turn on his old buddy, Kaine, and cavort with Terri? Maybe he thinks that Terri is innocent. Michael has a sympathetic position towards Terri, but why? Maybe it's because he is communicating with a real person, and not the Wicked Witch of the West, such as is the image of Terri projected by the media.

Apparently, the police have confiscated his cell phone, and have seen the inappropriate photos of Terri on there, as well as erotic texting exchanges, which we call sexting. So Cook has admitted to inappropriate behavior, but he denies having sex with Terri. And true, Cook did go over the line by Googling Kaine's secret address. He should have known better than this.

Yet when you see him on TV, he seems like a nice guy. He must have had good reason to side with Terri, to lend his sympathetic ear to a woe-begotten Moll besought by troubles galore, a world of hurt, a modern day witch burned at the stake in a public square of opinion, Salem, Massachusetts. Cook is going against the grain of common thought here. But why?

It must be because he believes in Terri's innocence. In saying this, we must admit that he doesn't side with Kaine and Desiree. With this in mind, does he have some insight into flaws in the estranged couple's position? Did he notice something afoul, something unsavory, upon showing up at a Portland Horman doorstep?

I suspect he did. And I don't buy the notion that Cook suddenly assumed a romantic passion for Terri. I prefer the idea that he merely took on a position of sympathy for Terri, when he observed how unfairly she was being treated by the police, the media and especially the biological parents. Michael Cook does not look like an rapscallion of a character when you see him talking into the news camera.

Rather he appears wholesome and above the fray. It's the public and the media who are irrational, who are the cruel vigilantes of injustice here. Cook can transcend this madness. And Terri's silence speaks volumes; she is listening to her attorney and keeping her mouth shut. The footage of Dan Tilkin stalking poor Terri was uncouth and unethical. Dan comes off as a paparazzi hassling Princess Diana. Poor Terri keeps a Gaga Poker Face though.


A still of Terri Horman when newsman, Dan Tilkin, tried to question her. Was Dan inappropriately stalking Terri? Does Terri not have a right to privacy? Is it ethical or is it harassment by media? Did the newsman cross the line here?
Let me play the devil's advocate for just a moment. Black is white, and day is night in such fancies. If Terri is utterly guilty of Kyron's abduction and possible elimination, then I would expect her to stay much lower to the ground. Maybe she is acting out in a public drama, by sending erotic pics to Cook that she knows will hit the public eye? In other words, this is reverse psychology in play. Terri is just giving the public what they expect.

Since the public already assumes that she is guilty, and sees her as the Wicked Witch of the West, why not just create a scene that shocks and flabbergasts the public to ecstatic extremes. Terri is the Bad News Disco Queen, the opposite of the Abba Dancing Queen. But consider for a moment, that if she were truly guilty, her behavior would more resemble a subdued and undercover characteristic, so as to not shine a bright spotlight of suspicion on her.

There's an element missing here. I'm not fully convinced that the police believe she did it. I don't think that Terri is capable of murder. True, she has some behavioral oddities. I would brand her as an exhibitionist, but I don't believe she has violence in her system. Terri is self-centered and is in need of attention, maybe even thrills.

Her behavior bespeaks just the opposite of the perpetrator. The perpetrator's not going to do anything to raise eyebrows, or do anything to cause the authorities to be suspicious. Terri's acting out oddly (like sending nude pics on a cell phone) rather reflects a person that is trapped. She's a condemned witch screaming in a pile of wood as the constable lights the twigs with scorching flame.

There was a photo of Terri in the hospital after giving birth to Kiara....Kyron is beside her on the bed, Kiara is in her arms....Terri is lovingly hugging Kyron as she cuddles him close to her and his new sister. One look at that picture of her face and Kyron's face and how motherly and NATURALLY she held Kyron close to her and you'd never believe she could premeditate killing anyone, must less Kyron.

And I don't believe she did. If Terri had done anything to Kyron, IMO, it would have been in a moment of extreme frustration or something, but never planned and executed. So to me, that rules out Terri offing Kyron.

So who took him?

Jag, where did you find a newspaper that is not crucifying Terri? This is the only media that actually thinks Terri did not all these bad things LE, Desiree and Kaine are saying about her. Is this paper from the OR area?

I found the link on another site Mama. After I read it, it rang true to me, so I decided to share it. I think the view shows a very real alternative to whats being said.

I don't know where the paper is from. To be honest I didn't look, lol. I do go back and find this:

Founder Alan Gray
Newsblaze LLC
Folsom, CA, 95630
USA
916 608 4271 (phone) - Pacific Timezone
alan@loopbiz.com
NewsBlaze.com

I watched NG last night
I know...

I just sat there and did this all night...

sitemama wrote:Jag, where did you find a newspaper that is not crucifying Terri? This is the only media that actually thinks Terri did not all these bad things LE, Desiree and Kaine are saying about her. Is this paper from the OR area?

OMG, Im surprised you could find one on this planet... Thanks for bringing it here... I wonder if many think that this Alan guy at News Blaze is really Terri in cognito????

Alo, I just want to add that the it seems almost ludicrous to think Des or Kaine (and Terri) wud have had a hand in Kyrons disappearance.. Dez clearly loves her boy, and had no reason to want him gone.. Even ppl who are absent parents, and unfortunatley there are many.. dont mean that they wud ever want harm done to their child... There is just no way, Dez wud have had any reason to do this.. We wud have known by now...

Doesnt this case seem like it was so random where it was committed by someone whos motives were impulsive like a ped??? I really think that too mnay ppl are trying to read between the lilnes.. It seems like the fact that it cud have been anyone other than family is rarely discussed by lE or the media along with a large part of society.. I cant figutre that one out??

Regardless of the actions of the family up to this point, I don't see a murderer or kidnapper among them....

I do have a question after seeing Desiree's last media briefing...
what exactly is "flying colors" and have any of you ever seen these "flying colors"?
And why are "flying colors" always associated w/ poly's?

Like with Misty - she said she passed with "flying colors" - i believe because LE either told her she did or maybe they didnt' say anything at all, so she assumed that she did... either way, if any of you see this anamoly, please let me know...

tish wrote:Regardless of the actions of the family up to this point, I don't see a murderer or kidnapper among them....

Totally agree.

AJ, I agree...this is so random it most certainly could have been a SO. Last minute, spur of the moment, whatever you want to call it...I feel Kyron was taken, by a stranger, simply because they could.

I so agree...

the poly is such a joke... Ed Smarts brother was told he passed too.. The next thing he knew it was put out there, that not only did he fail, but he lied about it too...

Polys are nothing more than a tool. The tool is used in many different angles.. We have seen where ppl are told they pass, when it is later said they failed.. We see where innnocent ppl have a poly, and they are told they failed to see what reaction LE will get.. I am not knocking the tool or the ploys they have behgind them, but I am knocking where the ploy isused to sway and distort public opinion... behind closed doors i fuully agree with them.

In this case, we havent heard any results from LE about TH D and K's polys.. All the 3 of them came out and said they were told they passed.....

We have heard K and D say that Terri fialed, but I wonder on whos accord?

I wonder if K and D read an article where it was written that a " source" said Terri failed..

Are we to assume D and K were told this information by LE??

Why shud we give them the benefit and not Terri... ?

When I read about polys in cases, it is clear to me that too many ppl put reliability on them...

Reminds me of Misty.. we were all told by " sources" that she failed, after her telling on camera that they told her she passed... I suspect she told the public exaclty what she was told ...

tish wrote:I just can't understand how seemingly intelligent ppl cannot listen to a voice of reason - just a voice asking ppl to look at FACTS and base their opinion upon solid EVIDENCE rather than hearsay and sloppy journalism who rely on bloggers of all ppl to report "factual" information...
AJ - I admire you so much - and I think you know that - we all know that you always have one goal - and that is to help seek justice for these victims. I think you're second goal is to open ppl's blinded eyes to our reliance on second-hand journalism - to encourage ppl to SEARCH THEMSELVES for the truth. And NO ONE does that better than you!! You are the model warrior for justice and integrity - and I for one sincerely appreciate all that you and all that you bring to this board and others. Keep on doing what you're doing, I know it ain't easy - but I have to believe you're making progress. You certainly opened my eyes to what really happens in the court of public opinion (and even inside LE) when there is shoddy journalism involved and you have encouraged me to look at facts before jumping to conclusions. I know you go above and beyond the typical arm chair detectives by making phone calls to LE, victims family, landfill operators, bondsmen, and who knows who else - all in the name of justice! Your work really does not go unnoticed, and I know many of you others do the same (this isn't just an aj love fest lol) but there are MANY other hard workers - and to me, all of your input is valuable - I enjoy reading your theories and opinions because it helps me to expand my way of thinking and open my eyes to ideas not previously considered. And thank ya'll for helping me to find a new home :0)

Tish ~ thank you for putting into words how I feel about AJ as well. I greatly admire her determination to look for the truth, and not just follow what we can be fed from the media as the truth and only the truth.

I'm so glad you feel this is home, it's so wonderful to have you here. I so enjoy reading your posts and thoughts, it means a lot. I learn so much from all of you to turn and take a look at another prospective or theory.

AJ...didn't Jessica Lunford's grandparents also fail a LDT? IIRC, the grandmother was hiding an unrelated secret from Mark which caused her to show deception. The grandfather was also accused of downloading child porn....when in reality it was simply a pop-up that he just clicked on but never deleted.

Yes, Jag....I believe you are correct. Her grandma was suspect....

I admit I have been out of the loop for a day or so.......... AND, I have not read all the comments to catch up.

That being said: As a mom in a "blended family" ( funny, in the olden days we just used to call em broken family)... I have had to switch off with a 7-ish year old child. She was happy with us, and the fact was she could only be with us because her mom was a drug addict/(expletive deleted).

Now, HSE* loved it here with her dad and me, and she had plenty of dissappointments when her "real" mom would call, make a date to come pick her up and "no show." But when she got the chance to see her real mom with all her adherent probs, HSE would want to stay with her. Her biomom encouraged that kind of thinking. It was better to have HSE think that we were the bad guys "keeping her away from her real mom" than the truth which was that her real mom dint give one gawd danged about providing for or raising a child.

When you have a broken family it hurts.... especially the kids. THey always wish mom and dad were together again (no matter how good a terms you are with one another or how old the child is).......... they always wish they were together....... they always wish it was never broken.

But grownups do that... and the kids pay.

For Desiree to say that Kyron was 'cryin cuz he dint want to go home' just makes me think how unattainble their goals were as parents........... that everyone would "blend" and the kids would "adjust"............... and everyone would be happy campers.

Divorce is not happy. Broken families exist. When you take a kid out of even an unhappy/unsafe family situation...... they miss it. The circle is broken and there is no substitute.

The kids see other kids at school who have whole families. Not families with an "addendum" This is hard for me to say because my family is full of a whole lot of addendums..... But that's what I've got to work with and that's what they've got to work with. I wish it was different. But it isn't.

So............. I don't believe that Kyron was crying because 'there was something wrong there.'......... There was something wrong everywhere. And as parents, we try to make it right. But it will never really be right.

And we make do. (this was really hard to write)

xxoo kh


* HSE = Herself The Elf- I don't want to use real names. kh

kh...I can attest to exactly what you just wrote. My first husband had custody of his two children, they were very young. I started them both in kindergarten. Their "mom" never saw a school play, a report card, drawings, nothing. But the minute they came back from visiting their maternal grandma (bio mom did not have visitation rights) all "mommy" had to say was negative things about me. She would tell them I was a bad person and that their "mommy" loved them more than me. This loving "mommy" had given up a third child for adoption, then at that time was married to another man. Had another son, and guess what...left that man and her then 9 year old son to move to Nashville to be a karoake star.......I'll never forget the hurtful words those children would repeat to us. We never said a bad word about their mother. But she always reminded them...she was their "mother", not me. I tended them and loved them from before pre K thru high school and beyond, this "mother" missed every single thing in their life except for the opportunity to exclaim...I am your mother..........yeah right....

That was probably too much information than anyone wants to know, but it is just an example of what happens and what adults can do to innocent children. If Desiree felt Kyron wanted to be with her, and she wanted him to be with her fulltime, I hope she was acting on that and starting the process to gain custody of him.

Kyron needs to be found and my heart goes out to everyone that loves this child. He has stolen my heart and I search every moment of every day for an update that he has been found safe and alive.

Piper, I'm sure you were a great mom to these kids, and today, I know they really appreciate you and all you did for them when they were small. You know, it doesn't matter what lies you fill kids heads with, when they are older, they know the truth.

Just read where Ava is having her adnoids removed in the morning. Hope she does good and goes home after only one night in the hospital. Prayers for precious little Miss Ava.

I'm just sayin (right or wrong) that families are fractured... and we like to tell ourselves that kids are resilient (sp?) ....... but no matter what kind of frosting we put on the cake..... it's still broken. kh

Kyron Horman's Stepmother, Terri Horman, Getting Death Threats, Lawyer Says
Judge Expected Today to Decide How Long Terri Horman Has to Move Out of Family's Home

Post a Comment By MIKE von FREMD and SARAH NETTER
July 16, 2010

Kyron Horman 's stepmother, who has reportedly received three death threats, will go before a judge today who is expected to decide how soon she will be forced out of the family's Oregon home.

In the six weeks since 7-year-old Kyron Horman disappeared from his elementary school science fair, Terri Horman has gone from devoted mother to despicable villain in the eyes of her family, which has accused her of withholding infomation about her last moments with Kyron and allegedly attempting to hire the landscaper to kill her husband.

But Horman's lawyer, Stephen Houze, is now saying that the media frenzy surrounding the case has morphed into a "witch hunt."

ABC Portland affiliate KATU reported that Terri Horman has requested money from Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, to move out of the house they once shared, but her now-estranged husband has refused. Houze said Terri Horman has had a hard time finding a new place to live. He has said he'll ask the judge to give her until Monday to leave.

Kaine Horman moved out of the famiy's home with the couple's 20-month-old daughter after learning of the alleged murder-for-hire plot.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-kyron-terri-horman-death-threats-facing-eviction/story?id=11178014

Link has video entitled: Former FBI agent says Terri Horman's behavior is "detached and narcissistic."

It's hard to explain why people do the things they do....I'm talking about Terri and her sexting and sending those pictures of herself....is there another explanation other than the ones being tossed about as in the video J4a posted above? (the FBI dude said she's moving on or trying to hurt Kaine)

I can see her moving on with her life, but that doesn't have to be read in a negative way, as if she got rid of Kyron and now a new more fun life is ready for her....I can see her moving on because she has to because she's being targeted, ostracized etc, and she's lonely! But if that's true, then she's also a person who makes poor choices in her life....but that's doesn't make her a murderer, but it does suggest she's a vulnerable type person. (vulnerable people are easily exploited)

I just don't know, but since these cell records are about Terri and sex and How Could She when her stepson is missing.... I do wonder if Dez and Tony have had sex since Kyron went missing....

Perhaps being sexual is an outlet for Terri's frustrations.

But whatever, I think LE has a heck of a nerve letting that out to the public. It's just wrong the way they seem to be trying to force something out of Terri...whether she is guilty of getting rid of Kyron or not, it's just wrong to push anyone into a corner like they're doing Terri. It's kind of like entrapment! What if she's not guilty? They are tearing her life apart and exposing her intimately so badly that they leave themselves no choice but to arrest her and try to convict her or else they could have a major law suit on their hands. Are they creating a suspect? Are they digging themselves a hole they can't get out of?

And about the alleged MFH....if they had that in writing as proof she tried to hire a hitman to kill Kaine, they'd have arrested her already! So that tells me it's just the landscaper's word and he could be lying!

Yet, Kaine uses it to file for divorce, take the baby and put a RO on Terri. Without any proof?

What I see in this case more than anything else is an extreme hatred for Terri coming from Kaine and Dez and Tony....I see Terri as having been a slave to Dez and Kaine, and at some point she may have decided to stand up for herself and her Users didn't like it. They liked having their little slave around....and if she won't be a slave to them she's of no use, so they hate her. And whether or not any of them did something with Kyron, the Big 3 want Terri to take the fall no matter what...because they hate her and I'd bet it didn't just start on June 4.

Perhaps Terri is guilty of doing something with Kyron...but as it stands right now, I think she's being dogged wrongly and I hope she has the strength to withstand it all until the real perp is discovered.

Kh and piper, I can completely relate - we have a "blended" family and just like you said kh (and said so well at that) regardless, there is ALWAYS pain there... for the parents and for the children.
I don't think any of us entered into a marriage with the intent to bring heartache upon ourselves, much less our children. But it happens, and even though the situations are bad, I have to say in our "blended" family - I full well believe that my children are better off now than I had tried to stay in a mentally abusive and unfaithful relationship - i didn't want my kids to think that was "normal" and I told my ex so. Also, I believe my husband and my stepchildren are better off than him staying with an unfaithful wife - at least now they have a refuge to run to where they can escape the instability, even if it is for a night or a weekend or a month...
I still hurt for all of my children - I hate for them to have to go thru this - I bear the responsibility of causing my children this pain. It hurts when my stepson asks my hubby when he's going to ditch me and get back w/ his mom. It hurts when my son goes to stay w/ his deadbeat dad trying to forge a relationship where there is none... it hurts me when I realize that my son has figured out who his dad really is, by his own experience....
And that's where Kyron was - every day - that's where so many of these victims are - Haleigh and Somer and Lindsey Baum comes to mind also - children who are no doubt hurting, but functioning - resilient? probably not as much as we like to think...

Kyron Horman Update: Ore. Police Seek Video of People Who Saw Missing 7-Year-Old the Day He Vanished

July 16, 2010 12:10 PM
Posted by Edecio Martinez



PORTLAND, Ore. (CBS/KOIN/AP) In the days following the disappearance of Kyron Horman local and national media outlets interviewed his classmates, their parents and some of his teachers about the last time they saw the 7-year-old the day he vanished - now the Multnomah County Sheriff is asking to see those tapes, hoping they might provide some clues as to Kyron's whereabouts.

PICTURES: Kyron Horman Missing

The Multnomah County Sheriff's Office asked local and national news organizations on Thursday to send in copies of any video interviews with students, parents, school officials or community members who reported seeing Kyron Horman after 8:45 a.m. on June 4.

Sgt. Travis Gullberg says the sheriff's office won't issue subpoenas and says release of the material is voluntary.

Kyron vanished after a science fair at Skyline Elementary School, outside Portland, on June 4. His stepmother, Terri Horman, was the last person known to have seen him.

Kyron's biological mother, Desiree Young, said she believes the 7-year-old's stepmother planned the disappearance just as the boy was asking to move out of the stepmother's home.

"Without a doubt, I think it was very planned," Young said in a Tuesday interview with NBC's "The Today Show."

Young reiterated on the morning show her accusation that Kyron's stepmother, Terri Horman, was involved in his June 4 disappearance, though police have not named her a suspect in the case.

Anyone with information on the whereabouts of Kyron Horman is asked to call the Multnomah County Sheriff's tip line at 503-261-2847.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20010758-504083.html

kh,

I always love your words "As a mom in a "blended family" ( funny, in the olden days we just used to call em broken family)... "

hahahahha ... You are so right..turn that negative into a positive...

Piper, I am glad you had the oppurtunity to be in those kids lives when it sounds like it musyt have been hell for them. Maybe in some aspects of their life, you taught them something positive, that they can look back on...They may realize how lucky they were to have you...

Jag,

Oh yes! You are absolutleyl right. I will never forget the clip of gramma Lunsford getting out of a car, returning from another useless interrogastion where grief, defeat, and exhaustion were written all over her lovely face.

Thje reporters, armed with their cameras confronted her on national TV asking her to comment on the LDT that she had failed... She started weeping and shook her head and I thought she would fall over. They were abusive imo. To iumagine what she went thru is impossible unless one has been in her shoes.. There had been no evidence other than what Piper brought up, about her hubby and porn from a pop up. Of course the porn allegations did not say that the porn was from pop ups...

So mnay ppl were in her shoes... During a plea in keeping Elizabeths name and face out in the media (he had no choice but to go on shows like NG) even though she was hostile. In one clip, Ed referred to Elizabeth as his "ANGEL" and I thought NG was gonna make a citizens arrest via webcamn..It was sick..again no evidence.. hjust empty allegations..

Then we look at Riley Fox's dad who also failed his polys, and wud have been stoned to death on the spot if it was legal.. Again no evidence other than the only person who cud attest to his being home in bed while Riley slept was his son. Again, LE wanted to know where he was that eveing, and put out broadcasts of rthe same nature as to anyone having seen him....

The problem with narrowminded LE isa that they go off stats that say that these type of kidnappings (high risk) are very infrequent and dont happen often.

I see part of the problem is that many crimes like these ones (incl poor little beautiful Haleigh's) are INCORRECTLY put under the stat of being a non stranger abduction, plus having the label of being family involved...

I honestly wonder how many ppl are sitting in jail as convicted felons, who took the wrap of a child who went missing... where they were totally innconet. We know these crimes wud not be listed under high risk ..

The problem is as long as we automatically assume family involvement, we are helping stats continue to show this type of crime as very isolated and infrequent.

If we use the many examples that we know of as fact Smart, Vandam, Klaas, Lunsford) we are foolish to think they are so randomn and infequent.. How are we fighting back against peds who do these high risk abductions? We arent..in fact on the contrary we are feeding our children to them, becasue the message we keep sending out is that the parent will automatically be blamed and there will be no criminal investagion for months where any evidence of the perp is long gone...

A great example of this made the headlines yesterday...
Little Amber Nicklas was just found after being abducted at a Chuck Cheese 7 years ago...

Here is another case where the family was accused. AUnts were arrested and the thrid is on the lam.....

It was never any family involvement that took this child or enabled it..yet that is all LE could focus on.... this high risk abduction was accomplished easily. The perp got away for 7 yrs. It is said that AMber appeared to be cared for, and there was no mention of her being abused. This goes to show that these types of crimes have been going on for years and the common thread is that the family is blamed. When are we going to stop fooling ourselves that these high risk crimes dont happen?????

The crime in Kyron disappearing from his school where there has been no evidence or any motive of why any of the family wud have done this, is a prime example of one that should be looked at where the family probably want involved. Yet the media ppl and LE havd their witchfest where Terri is holding the bag.

Maybe she will end up like Kevin Fox where she will be convicted after they plant evidence against her ..... becasue they couldnt find any.... but they are so hellbent, in the menatime a perp cud be watching this unfold.....laughing at society...preparing for his next victim or waiting for the urge to present itself where he will strike again.. Strength comes in number and we are the ones who have to change to encourage change within LE....

Oh, so LE is asking for this now??????????????????????
How many weeks later, is appropriate to start working an investigation? Are the tapes still around? They wont be issuing supoena's though. Lets just take our time and see if anyone conmplies...

This suggests to me that the ppl who have confirmed that they saw Kyron after Terri left, offered proof to LE to back up what they told them. Like poor little Tanner who has been made out to look like some mistaken little boy.

We have let this happen.. There are very few sites who have even acknmowledged Tanner... if they have, they have discounted anything he said, yet not many wanted more from LE... Happy to sit bak and wait for the next person to come forward about Terri...maybe next time it wud be some store clerk who Terri confided in.... It is so riiculous.. Im glad this board is so impartial and demands the truth and investigation....

LottieM wrote:It's hard to explain why people do the things they do....I'm talking about Terri and her sexting and sending those pictures of herself....is there another explanation other than the ones being tossed about as in the video J4a posted above? (the FBI dude said she's moving on or trying to hurt Kaine)

I can see her moving on with her life, but that doesn't have to be read in a negative way, as if she got rid of Kyron and now a new more fun life is ready for her....I can see her moving on because she has to because she's being targeted, ostracized etc, and she's lonely! But if that's true, then she's also a person who makes poor choices in her life....but that's doesn't make her a murderer, but it does suggest she's a vulnerable type person. (vulnerable people are easily exploited)

I just don't know, but since these cell records are about Terri and sex and How Could She when her stepson is missing.... I do wonder if Dez and Tony have had sex since Kyron went missing....

Perhaps being sexual is an outlet for Terri's frustrations.

But whatever, I think LE has a heck of a nerve letting that out to the public. It's just wrong the way they seem to be trying to force something out of Terri...whether she is guilty of getting rid of Kyron or not, it's just wrong to push anyone into a corner like they're doing Terri. It's kind of like entrapment! What if she's not guilty? They are tearing her life apart and exposing her intimately so badly that they leave themselves no choice but to arrest her and try to convict her or else they could have a major law suit on their hands. Are they creating a suspect? Are they digging themselves a hole they can't get out of?

And about the alleged MFH....if they had that in writing as proof she tried to hire a hitman to kill Kaine, they'd have arrested her already! So that tells me it's just the landscaper's word and he could be lying!

Yet, Kaine uses it to file for divorce, take the baby and put a RO on Terri. Without any proof?

What I see in this case more than anything else is an extreme hatred for Terri coming from Kaine and Dez and Tony....I see Terri as having been a slave to Dez and Kaine, and at some point she may have decided to stand up for herself and her Users didn't like it. They liked having their little slave around....and if she won't be a slave to them she's of no use, so they hate her. And whether or not any of them did something with Kyron, the Big 3 want Terri to take the fall no matter what...because they hate her and I'd bet it didn't just start on June 4.

Perhaps Terri is guilty of doing something with Kyron...but as it stands right now, I think she's being dogged wrongly and I hope she has the strength to withstand it all until the real perp is discovered.

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Lottie, well put!

I guess the only thing I want to add is about the hatred in the case.... you said

" What I see in this case more than anything else is an extreme hatred for Terri coming from Kaine and Dez and Tony"

I cudnt agree more, but I dont know that I hold them responsible.. I cant imagine that any parent who's child is missing can be " reliable" in their judgments and doubts..I will include Terri in that...

These ppl have to be vulnerable. Being in turmoil and being led by investgators who want to assume Trrie guilt, wud be an easy task. We have seen it many times where le poison and influence false beliefs ... If K and D have been led by the same LE and media as we have, it doesnt seem hard to believe that they wud turn on Terri..They cant be in their right mind. They wud be easily manipulated.

Its we the public who shudnt be so easily led... and many have been. That only causes a snowball effect where everyone is against Terri, and continues to justify to D and K that they made the right choice.. We need to speak for them. They are weak and broken. We need to ddemand answers. We shud not be bought so easily.. We may be contributing to an innconet person holding the bag, where a perp is laughing.

Kaine Horman: "Terri was a good person when we first met"

by Frank Mungeam
July 16, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- In response to questions from KGW NewsChannel 8, Kaine Horman admitted he still wears his wedding ring, and says he and others who knew Terri Horman "did not see this coming."

Asked about his wedding ring, Kaine replied: "Yes I am still wearing it. I’m not sure why I have not removed it. The magnitude of Kyron being gone and our efforts to bring him home are of such higher priority in comparison I honestly have not even thought about it."

Kaine's 7-year-old son Kyron has been missing since June 4. Police have not named Terri Horman a suspect or person of interest but in court documents Kaine Horman stated that police provided him with probable cause to believe Terri had knowledge of Kyron's disappearance. In recent interviews, both of Kyron's parents have stated they are certain Terri was responsible for Kyron's disappearance.

In his response to questions from KGW, Kaine acknowledged that people have commented about 'how could he marry a woman like this' and how could he 'not see this coming.'

In response, he write: "Terri was a good person when we first met and for several years (I’d say up until 2008). She was always about children (teaching) and helping them grow and develop. Her attitude was always about those types of things first, her own self not even being a priority close to that.I believe that this is the Terri that everyone else saw and got to know as I did"

"Honestly everyone, including myself, that knew her or knows her did not see this coming. She was not the type of person we are seeing right now," added Kaine Horman.

"There were some signs of emotional distress here and there over the past year and a half but not enough of that directed at any one person to conclude she would be capable of anything even remotely close to events of the severity we have all seen"

"She recently got her teaching license re-instated and has been applying for teaching positions so even the state of Oregon didn’t see this coming," wrote Kaine Horman.

A hearing was set for 3 p.m. Friday to decide whether Terri Horman should be forced to immediately vacate the family's home in Northwest Portland.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kaine-Horman-Terri-was-a-good-person-when-we-first-met-98620944.html

I think he has been fooled.. THe landscaper is prolly a liar.. the thought that she was really serious enough to have tried to hire a perfect stranger to do the deed then dont act on it for 9 months is crazy...

K succumbed to the pressure and influence and bought in...hearing him say how out of character this is and that she was never like this even in the last yr and half, tells me that she had nothing to do with this or they wud have found more evidence... A person who wud be sloppy enough to ask a perfect stranger to kill their spouse is clearly not smart enough to plan this abduction and get away with it..if it was K that she wanted gone why take kyron???