Kyron Horman -- Missing 6/4/10 #1

scootching over for Estee........ hello friend! kh

Justice4all wrote:

JAG wrote:J4A? Any idea who the gentleman is who is saying Terri is creepy? I probably should know, but am at a loss.

Tish, could not agree more with you. Not to mention what is going on with the baby and how she must be missing her mom.

I put it out on our board last night, anybody think Mike Cook was a plant? His timing has me nervous.

C. W. Jensen is the person who made that comment JAG. According to Wikipedia, he "is a retired Captain of the Portland Police Bureau in the U.S. state of Oregon. Jensen was also a regular commentator on the FOX television series World's Wildest Police Videos. He also appeared on other police-related programs including American Detective and World's Scariest Police Chases, which first aired in 1991 and 1997 respectively."

I don't think Mike Cook was a plant. He could be, but I can't imagine why he would agree to have his name dragged through the mud as the person who was having an affair with Terri Horman.

Thank you. I knew he was familiar, just could not place him.

I don't think if he was a plant, that was part of the deal (the affair part). He may have befriended her just to keep tabs on her and maybe he believed she was being railroaded after he got inside, felt sorry for her....who knows. I do not trust Kaine. I think he is pushing way too hard for everybody to believe Terri hurt Kyron.

Geeze, I just had a thought about those "pictures". What if they are her bodybuilding pictures? She would be mostly undressed.....are they twisting things?

I'm still on the fence since virtually no evidence has been released. I wonder how Jaycee Dugard's disappearence would have played out on the blogs if we had the internet when she was abducted. Even though a few of Jaycee's classmates also witnessed her abduction, her stepfather was often treated like a suspect even after passing several polygraph tests. I'm sure the blogosphere would have been all over him.

In this case, Tanner's account of seeing Kyron headed back to the science fair seems to have been discounted too easily. Many bloggers seem to be all over Terri because rumors combined with police questionnaires and search locations suggest that Terri's cell phone pings put her near Sauvie Island in contrast to wherever she told police she was. If this turns out to be true it will increase my suspicions, but it is possible that she lied about her location to cover up an affair.

I don't know how much I can come down on Kaine or Desiree either. If I was in their shoes and was pretty certain that Terri was involved, I would probably do anything I could to put pressure on her.

It's really hard to know what to think in this case. I just hope nothing has been overlooked because of LE's focus on Terri. Kyron needs to be found.

I'm having a hard time with this one...puts a lump in my throat and I'm trying not to get too vested in this case...The reality of this is frightening...I'm so glad my kids are grown now so I dont have to worry about them disappearing...I think if it was gonna happen to one of mine it would have been Brian...There were NO strangers to him...He'd talk to a telephone pole and tell you it was his BEST FRIEND....He was a trip and a half...

kh - that was the first I had heard of her having post partum - but good info to know as well. if she "snapped" and did do something with Kyron- she might not even know that she did anything - or it may be foggy - I had post partum, and most of my memory (I would say upwards of 90%) of that time in my life - i have NO memory of whatsoever - which would include my second childs first words, first steps, etc - i have absolutely no recollection of - even pictures don't jog my memory of her first birthday, or her 2nd Christmas, although I remember her first Christmas and I do recall her first easter. The memories are sporadic to say the least. I hate it when my family says "remember when Shelby did this" and I cannot remember! It's so frustrating. Even though the Yates case brought much needed publicity to the condition, I still don't think it is taken seriously enough - it can be helped, it can be prevented, and if it wasn't for the watchful eyes of my parents - i don't even want to think of what could have happened - my thoughts were never to harm my children, but rather to help them by killing myself -thankfully I received the much needed help in time and completely and fully recovered, and didn't experience it again with my 3rd child, but it was very rough, and I can't imagine going thru that time in my life without the support i had with my parents... One thing I do know about post partum, it effects everyone differently...

http://www1.cw56.com/news/articles/national/12001636091724/

Before Kyron Horman's disappearance on June 4, Kaine Horman said his relationship with his wife was "a nice clean slate, as far as I can tell."

Does that mean everyone wore white and pretended they were all virgins? kh

Tish~ I cannot agree more. The fact that it is a serious condition which is often overlooked (like any kind of depression really)...... with family members telling you to "buck up" "Get a grip" "get on with life" etc and ignoring serious warning signs, signs that the disease is progressing..... and it can take a nose dive from a treatable depression to a dangerous psychotic state. Plus, there's the guilt. "Why don't I feel better? Why don't I want to get up and get dressed? Why do I feel like I'm drowning and everyone else is telling me I'm okay?" I am not at all convinced that Kaine took this seriously at all....... or that he was any support to her. But that's just me.

Thanks for sharing.
kh

Another thing that Kaine said in one of those not-exactly-a-press-conference things (Hard as I have tried, I cannot find a link, so I'm paraphrasing) was that when asked about what Terri's relationship was with Kyron, Kaine said something to the effect that "I can't speculate on that."

Speculate on what? You were married to her for over 6 years! You lived in the same home. You were a family. Don't speculate, just tell us! Does he feel he can only "speculate" about it because he was so absent from his own home and family life that he doesn't know what their relationship was? That has always bothered me.
kh

Estee wrote:I'm having a hard time with this one...puts a lump in my throat and I'm trying not to get too vested in this case...The reality of this is frightening...I'm so glad my kids are grown now so I dont have to worry about them disappearing...I think if it was gonna happen to one of mine it would have been Brian...There were NO strangers to him...He'd talk to a telephone pole and tell you it was his BEST FRIEND....He was a trip and a half...

Estee, I completely agree with you about being glad your kids are grown.... it's a particularly frightening world out there when you have little children....

I also have tried not to let this case get to my heart too much, but without fail. After Caylee, I just couldn't dive right into HaLeigh's case..... and there's always another one. We can't get one resolved before another child disappears. It is just heartbreaking.

I pray Kyron is found safe... I am truly worried about the fate of this little boy.

Tish, thanks for sharing your story. That must have been so hard... and you were very blessed to have had the support you had. Maybe Terri has, indeed, experienced postpartum depression.

Snipped from: http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Desiree-Young-on-Terri-Moulton-I-know-shes-lying-98075814.html

On Sunday, the parents of missing Portland boy Kyron Horman put off all media contact for the week in anticipation of what they called "heavy" obligations by investigators on the case.

"Our focus continues to be fully on the investigation and finding Kyron," a statement from father Kaine Horman read. "All indications are that law enforcement obligations will be heavy in the coming week. As a result, we are sorry that we cannot schedule any media meetings. We really apologize for the change but, as always, our priority is keeping our energy and available time focused on the search and both of those things will be in short supply next week."

Terri now wants money from Kaine

By Thom Jensen KATU News and KATU.com Staff
Story Published: Jul 13, 2010 at 3:42 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jul 13, 2010 at 3:53 PM PDT

PORTLAND, Ore. - In the ongoing saga surrounding the disappearance of 7-year-old Kyron Horman, the boy's stepmother is now wanting money from her estranged husband, Kaine Horman, to move out of the family home.

Kaine was asked to cough up the cash Tuesday afternoon as attorneys for both parties appeared before a judge.

Kaine's attorney, Laura Rackner, said her client is not willing to hand over money to Terri.

"He would like some cooperation from her first," she said. "He would like to know where his son is."

Terri's attorney, Stephen Houze, did not give any information to the media on Tuesday, saying it would be unethical to comment on any aspects of his client's case.

The two sides will be back in court next week for a hearing on the eviction and custody case filed by Kaine.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/98369319.html

Micheal Cook: "I'm a pretty straight shooter," said Cook. "I didn't have sex with her."

George Anthony: "I'm gonna be completely honest with you guys now."

Cindy Anthony: As for Oprah - I canceled do to integrity!”

Bill Clinton: "I did not have sex with that woman."

Good one, kh!

I'm just about done with this case. The whole bunch of them are nuts! And after the whole bunch of the Anthony's being nuts, and the Cummings/Croslin crowd all being nuts...not to mention the Holloway and Flores cases where Joran and his mother are nuts, I'm really sick of innocent people suffering because people are nuts! ....I think it's time for ice cream with Nestle's Quick and then some Rock Band! :)

Searchers Return To Area Near Skyline School
Crews Seen Focusing On People With Pickup Trucks, Neighbors Say

POSTED: 4:17 pm PDT July 13, 2010
UPDATED: 4:57 pm PDT July 13, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Searchers returned to the area where a second-grade boy vanished from his northwest Portland school, neighbors said.

The massive effort to find Kyron Horman was called off last month, but since then, Multnomah County crews have been spotted near the Horman family's home and around Sauvie Island.

More recently, people living near Skyline Elementary School said detectives have scoured previously-searched properties over the past 10 days. They said the investigators appeared to focus on people who own pickup trucks.

One man, who wished to be identified only as Roger, said investigators came to his home within the past week on a tip.

"A big SUV showed up with a couple of people in it; they wanted to know if I was this certain family," he said. "They had a tip why they wanted to talk to this family. That's all they told me."

Roger said he was surprised to see searchers again because he was told they wouldn't be back.

Other people living in the area said their homes and properties have been searched as many as three times.

Hundreds of people joined in the search effort immediately following Kyron's June 4 disappearance. Deputies haven't named any suspects or persons of interest in the ongoing criminal investigation.

http://www.kptv.com/news/24248542/detail.html


Maybe LE isn't having tunnel vision? Well, we can hope anyway!

But before I take a break awaiting any real news on Kyron...I'm going to say I am thinking Desirae did something to Kyron and she's brainwashing Kaine into helping her scapegoat Terri.

Waving at Lottie!

JAG wrote: Maybe LE isn't having tunnel vision? Well, we can hope anyway!

Let's hope so, JAG.

kh

I hear ya, Lottie. kh

LottieM wrote:But before I take a break awaiting any real news on Kyron...I'm going to say I am thinking Desirae did something to Kyron and she's brainwashing Kaine into helping her scapegoat Terri.

LOL Lottie, you are going the opposite direction than LE and the media. Way to go, let's put someone else out there for the LE and media to crucify. I like your way of thinking.

I can say I am glad to hear they are going back to where this started...the school.

sitemama wrote:

LottieM wrote:But before I take a break awaiting any real news on Kyron...I'm going to say I am thinking Desirae did something to Kyron and she's brainwashing Kaine into helping her scapegoat Terri.

LOL Lottie, you are going the opposite direction than LE and the media. Way to go, let's put someone else out there for the LE and media to crucify. I like your way of thinking.

:) mama! I have to admit at first I was thinking Terri, but as soon as Desirae started talking I just got a bad feeling with her. The more I learn of her and watch her hanging Terri out to dry when LE hasn't even done that, the more suspicious of her I get. And I think Kaine is an asshole and a stupidass....

and Desirae is the one who didn't have her kid from very early on anyway and can't even drive to pick him up for weekends and makes Terri do it....I don't know....she could have gone in that school and taken Kyron - who would have gone without a fuss. I'll bet no one there knew what she looked like before her face was all over the pressers, and if she had another of her many haridos we haven't seen yet, who'd have put it together as an afterthought? She could have waited for Terri to leave, and then moved in for the abduction. She could have lured Kyron outside with the promise of some gift for doing such a good job on his project she didn't get there in time to see.

I know she passed her poly...she's made sure the world knows it was with flying colors too, as she also makes sure the world knows Terri flunked hers. But you know Terri would have been nervous taking those polys since she was the last known person to be with Kyron...it could have been all nerves! At least she didn't refuse to take it...and no one agrees to take one if they're guilty and aren't sure they're so good at lying they can pass it. Now you take Desirae...she could have passed it with flying colors just because she had time to practice acting innocent. But if she did do something with Kyron, it was premeditated IMO, because she'd have needed time to get herself into the role of the innocent one. Polys don't hold up in court for a reason!

Desirae just can't stop pushing the media and the world toward Terri! Why does she keep on repeating it? She's trying to keep everyone's mind on Terri as the guilty one....yet she has no proof or any clues, just her opinions.

I know, the question is then...why would Desirae want to get rid of Kyron? I think that latest remark of Kaine's....that Kyron loved Skyline....could be the key. Maybe Terri was wanting Kyron to move back with Desirae (and change schools) and Desirae STILL didn't want him and didn't want anyone to think she was awful. She offs the kid and frames Terri. My mother would have done such a thing! ...in fact, she has many times! O.O

(My break didn't last long! LOL)

She offs the kid and frames Terri. My mother would have done such a thing! ...in fact, she has many times! O.O

How many kids has she offed?

Did you see GMA this morning? Tony and Desiree were on, I only caught part of it but she was telling how sad Kyron was lately at his dads house, crying about wanting to live with her and such. Tony flat out said he thinks Terri hurt Kyron and it was planned. I'm wondering how much of this is Tony and not Kaine and Desiree. Hes kept a low profile on all of this, but I'll bet he is in the background saying this and that to them.

I'm not pointing fingers at any of the family.....unlike Lottie, I don't think they are involved, but I don't think Terri is either.

JAG wrote:Did you see GMA this morning? Tony and Desiree were on, I only caught part of it but she was telling how sad Kyron was lately at his dads house, crying about wanting to live with her and such. Tony flat out said he thinks Terri hurt Kyron and it was planned. I'm wondering how much of this is Tony and not Kaine and Desiree. Hes kept a low profile on all of this, but I'll bet he is in the background saying this and that to them.

I'm not pointing fingers at any of the family.....unlike Lottie, I don't think they are involved, but I don't think Terri is either.

Well, gee....I posted this last night...I know, the question is then...why would Desirae want to get rid of Kyron? I think that latest remark of Kaine's....that Kyron loved Skyline....could be the key. Maybe Terri was wanting Kyron to move back with Desirae (and change schools) and Desirae STILL didn't want him and didn't want anyone to think she was awful. She offs the kid and frames Terri.

LMAO! She must be taking notes from you Lottie:)

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I love mysteries...better when they are fiction rather than when a real person is the victim of a crime...but just the same, I do love mysteries! When I read mystery novels I love to try to figure out whodunnit and why before the author has to reveal it. So yeah....when real life cases that are shrouded in obscure mystery happen, I do the same thing...try to figure out whodunnit and why they dunnit. Testing my sleuthing skills in combination with my observed people behaviors, I just like to see if I'm anywhere near right by the time the case is solved by LE. Toward that end, I do adjust my thoughts and suspects along the way....that said...

I had Desirae pegged from the first presser as the ONE! However, I was mistaken in that the woman at the presser I thought was Desirae was actually Terri and vice versa so I thought Terri was the one with the glasses dabbing her face...so I went on record as saying I'd pegged Terri...when really it was Desirae with the glasses on dabbing her face.

From there, I went on to find particulars as to why Terri might have done something to Kyron....and with no reason to believe anyone else would have/could have done it, I was all about Terri being guilty.

But then Desirae opened her mouth! And tried too hard to be understanding of the investigation taking forever as well as blaming Terri in what was basically slander! She smiled inappropriately, snickered at times....this was clearly was not serious for her! It was simply, matter-of-fact/just how-it-is with her as if she were too much aware of how investigations go and not enough concerned for Kyron or any sense of urgency.
AND showed up on TV with a new hairdo every single time, AND half the time she doesn't wear her Kyron Missing Tee-shirt and the other times she does wear it she has to make it fashionable by rolling up her sleeves or covering it with something else. Clearly, this woman is all about appearance! Does that make her guilty of something to do with Kyron being gone? Of course not! But what it does show is that she's likely not that much interested in kids full time dragging her down....and when you combine that with the fact that she hasn't been Kyron's full time mom for 6 years and has basically been a free woman....IF she were threatened that Kyron may be coming to live with her full time and she would have to get him off to school, take care of him when he's sick and put up with his 'noise' daily...she might try to find another way of keeping Kyron out of her life...snuff him out...but only if she could frame Terri for it.

So my Prime Suspect became Desirae once again....and I looked at that first presser again with her dabbing her face and not returning Terri's attempts to comfort her...and what I saw this time, instead of seeing Terri as faking her offers of sympathy, I saw Desirae deliberately from Day One, shunning Terri because she knew she was going to be framing her and Terri is looking at Desirae like she doesn't get it...Terri doesn't understand why Desirae is behaving as she is....so she probably just figures Desirae is mad with her for 'letting this happen' to Kyron. Terri probably didn't suspect Desirae had anything to do with it...but she may have felt something was off with Desirae's behavior so Terri stayed off the Television so as not to feed the frenzy and gave Desirae enough rope to hang herself.

And I think that is what's happening how...the more Desirae talks, the more she looks like she's out to get Terri no matter what! Regardless of any evidence or anything else, Desirae is growing impatient with Terri not being arrested! And she's afraid because the longer it goes without Terri being arrested the more likely it is that the real culprit will be found out....and since I think now that Desirae is the real culprit, she'll panic and become even more overzealous about Terri....and she'll screw up big time the harder she tries to get Terri arrested.

So that's how I'm reading this mystery today....and I'm sure Kyron is dead. Desirae would want Terri to face the harshest charges ever! She wouldn't hide Kyron to be found later. This entire thing IMO is about Desirae hating Terri, being resentful of her and not wanting Kyron in her life full time. I had a feeling that (Kyron being her in life full time) might be an issue because Terri had that new baby and was up to her ears in time-consuming responsibility and may have wanted Desirae to raise her own child. And then now with the GMA show where she actually did say something about Kyron wanting to be with her full time....I'm going with my theory.

But I'll add that I don't think it was Kyron who wanted to be with Desirae and Tony full time...it was Terri who wanted that. And once again, we have Desirae trying to make Terri look bad...when in reality it was likely Desirae who didn't want to look bad by refusing her own child living with her full time.

JAG wrote:LMAO! She must be taking notes from you Lottie:)

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Ha ha! Or else she's playing this just like a guilty person would when they were trying to frame someone else.

If Desirae isn't guilty, I'll eat my keyboard!

Rolling her eyes at Terri sexting...pffft...she even had to work up her eye roll by fluttering her eyelids first!

Well, if Desirae is trying to frame Terri, she's going to have to find a way to lead LE to the body. Wonder how she'll do that?

Interesting theory Lottie. I'll give it some more thought.

Desiree said she feels guilty at not being at Kyrons science fair. I'd be interested in knowing how many school events she has attended for him, since nobody seemed to know Kyron wasn't Terri's natural son. And when the school called her, it was simply as an "emergency contact".

I don't seem to think she played a big role in his day to day life.

It sure doesn't seem like she played a big role.

When she said she felt guilty not being there....because she had to work....that was such BS, IMO. It's ridiculous to think anyone would make a 4 hour drive that early in the morning for the science fair whether she had to work or not! She'd have had to leave at 4AM!

But that begs the question, would she leave that early just to go kidnap Kyron? Theory snag!

I wonder where Desirae was Thursday night?

What's her job anyway?

In a previous interview, Desiree said that the story Terri was telling didn't add up because she, Desiree, knew the school well and it was not making sense.

From that, I gather she had been to the school for other events.

How many parents that live in the area didn't make it to the school that morning for the Science Fair? Does that make them not want their children?

Where was it stated that people didn't know that Desiree was Kyron's mother or that Terri wasn't his birth mother? I haven't come across those articles yet.

MissMonkey wrote:In a previous interview, Desiree said that the story Terri was telling didn't add up because she, Desiree, knew the school well and it was not making sense.

From that, I gather she had been to the school for other events.

How many parents that live in the area didn't make it to the school that morning for the Science Fair? Does that make them not want their children?

Where was it stated that people didn't know that Desiree was Kyron's mother or that Terri wasn't his birth mother? I haven't come across those articles yet.

I'm not going to assume Desirae went to school events as the reason she might know the school well. Just going to an event or 2 doesn't necessarily mean you know the school (layout etc) well. And she could be lying......or maybe she went there as a kid herself?

Where are Kaine/Desirae/Terry from, anyhow?

About Desirae knowing the school so well.....if she's talking about the layout etc, I hope she did go to school there or else I'd have to wonder why she was so familiar with the 'layout etc' - if that's what she's referring to. Like had she scoped the place out in advance and knew how to escape with Kyron unnoticed? You know, there's always a door that might be locked from the outside, but still able to be opened from the inside (fire regs).

All guilty people eventually rat themselves out by talking too much about things that connect to the crime. They have to tell someone, even if it's just in clues because, especially in premeditated crimes, they want people to realize how smart they are to have 'gotten away with it'. They don't necessarily want to get caught, they just want everyone to talk about how smart the crime was that LE was so baffled by it.

Desirae is saying some odd things lately! :)

Weirdly enough, I haven't heard Desiree say anything that I consider remotely odd.

I found this link on another site, that is very interesting. There is a person named 'awaitingjustice' posting in the comments that most of the other posters think is Terri. There are so many pages of comments I have not read them all, but I just wonder if this is maybe our AJ???????

C'mon AJ, fess up if it is you. And if it is our AJ, I will go back and read all the comments. LOL

http://www.kgw.com/news/Court-doc-Kaine-Terri-Horman-kyron-horman-contempt-sexting-98270654.html

If they think AJ is Terri, they are way off base lol. Imagine who they would think I was if I went there using RDSQRL and posted that Terri is totally innocent.

sitemama wrote:I found this link on another site, that is very interesting. There is a person named 'awaitingjustice' posting in the comments that most of the other posters think is Terri..........C'mon AJ, fess up if it is you. And if it is our AJ, I will go back and read all the comments. LOL

They do that periodically.......... they'll decide they're really talkin to Kim Picazzo, Cindy Anthony, Teresa Neves, whoever brings a little excitement to the board.... My suggestion is that they step away from the keyboard, take a deep breath, and recalculate! kh

OMG Site... Its me.. I am away today and didnt expect to get access to a puter... So I got access and poor me cant remember my password to login so I created another account...lol

Once this new account got activitated (very quick) I wanted to pm J4A and to get my password... Guess what? It said i cudnt pm cuz i didnt do a post limit yet/....Too funny So here I am ... AJ..

And yes that sure was me.... and Site, you know personally that I am not Terri, and that i dont know Terri and sure dont know anyone involved.....

It made me sick to see that the only comebaks I was getting all said I was Terri... of course the newspaper /webpage new i wasnt terri and cud tell by my ip that i wasnt even in the darn state..... So you will see that they got what they wanted.. they got me to stop as i starting wondering if it was a bad thing for Terri.. like I said I knew the paper new it wasnt terri but I started wondering if asking ppl to be impartial was actually hurting more than then helping..... it really made me sick..so maybe with some support, it will help????
BTW.. i cant remember that password either...??? and here I thought my memory was pretty good lol..go figure

aj1- I sent that on to J4A. Help is on the way!!!!! xxoo kh

thnks sunshine!!.. i just got a pm from him and he is reseting for me...I forgot that they dont have our passwords.... lol reseting is good enough for me!
thanks for the help.. also the site i was posting is is


http://www.kgw.com/home/Second-grade-student-missing-from-Skyline-Elementary-95670454.html?commentPage=12

O.M.G. AJ...... Can't believe you are dealing with that crap. Everyone is so anti-Terri that if you stick up for her or say you are withholding judgment, you get blasted...

Hang in there.... WE know who you are... and where your heart and passion is....

You know, that's true, Snaz. It is becoming clearing evident on other boards that if you question the evidence (what evidence?) against Terri or try to discuss the unsubstantiated nature of many allegations....... the sides are closing in and things are gettin nasty (kinda like with the Haleigh Case).

On a high note, that has never ever happened here and I am so glad for that. I am so glad we can all have conversations and express our differing thoughts and opinions without the 'angry villager' mentality that seems to be the soup-de-jour on so many other crime boards these days.

kh

Justice4all wrote:If they think AJ is Terri, they are way off base lol. Imagine who they would think I was if I went there using RDSQRL and posted that Terri is totally innocent.

lol J4A... someone beat you too it..lol if you can believe it someone has that in their user name...

that's almost laughable, except, I think most of you know that Nick McGuffin's gf was posting at several different crime blogs in his defense, and then there were of course rumors that GA and CA were doing the same... who knows?? so, those kinds of situations do make ppl leery - and AJ's been accused of worse I know in the haleigh cummings case lol. Poor AJ

LOL tish, you are so right. I had forgotten about AJ's 'questionable' behavior in the haleigh case. Way to go AJ, you sure do get around don't you?