Isabel Celis -- Missing 4/20/12

When the parents act like they couldnt be bothered, why should the public want to help them?

IF they have a hard time speaking, why don't they have a spokes person? Did the Horman's do that with Desiree's husband speaking for the family?

I can say if my child was missing I would leave no stone unturned looking for them... If I had to dance in flowered dresses on my head to get attention I would and then beg plead and scream and cry whatever it took..

I am not absolving anyone yet! But was only saying that no matter what any of them do at this point it is going to be able to be perceived as the wrong thing.

Maybe the family felt that if they dragged the situation with the boys into court it would take the focus off finding Isa.. who knows...

I do believe that someone in the family knows more than what they are saying at this point/ or at least more than what is being released yet!

There is a problem with the whole family dynamic. Sergio is a strange one and his vocal mannerisms are bizarre at best.
Becky was hysterical on 911 call and is remote and passively hostile at this point.

justanopinion wrote:I can say if my child was missing I would leave no stone unturned looking for them... If I had to dance in flowered dresses on my head to get attention I would and then beg plead and scream and cry whatever it took..

I am not absolving anyone yet! But was only saying that no matter what any of them do at this point it is going to be able to be perceived as the wrong thing.

Maybe the family felt that if they dragged the situation with the boys into court it would take the focus off finding Isa.. who knows...

I do believe that someone in the family knows more than what they are saying at this point/ or at least more than what is being released yet!

There is a problem with the whole family dynamic. Sergio is a strange one and his vocal mannerisms are bizarre at best.
ecky was hysterical on 911 call and is remote and passively hostile at this point.

Absolutely!!

Even if it is perceived as the wrong thing, as a parent, you would care less what anyone else thought, you would be out there doing EVERYTHING you could to get the word out your child is missing.

Who knows what the issue is with Sergio. Whatever it is, it's his problem to work out with CPS.

Rebeca appears to be very co-dependant of Sergio. She needs to put on her big girl panties and get out there and get her daughter's cause out in the public's eye and keep it there.

Tamta wrote:

snowbird wrote:

Calypso wrote:@ Art Tart~

IF Becky were to relentlessly stay in the spotlight of the National Media, the attention and focus would stay on Isabel and not her family, Sergio specifically.

The flyers are a good thing, but National Media coverage, that would help so much especially in addition to the flyers.

I agree with everyone who is stating mother needs to get in front of the media. I don't think she will because she will have to answer question about her husband. The last time she was in the media she talked more about how great the husband was and he loves the boy, more than she talk about Isabel. The statement that all question will be answer when Isabel come home, was very strange to me.
The father not fighting to see the boys is strange to me. I have seen in another case Kyron, that the sep mother did not fight to keep her little girl. She doesn't want to answer any question under oath because it may incriminate her. If I did nothing wrong I would fight tooth and nail for my child.

This is interesting to me.

The agreement was voluntary and it did not have to be.

If it had been court ordered, he could have gotten counsel and had it overturned or at leas put up a good argument for doing so.

Action to seek the dismissal of the order in turn would have led to increased disclosure as to the nature of the CPS contact, whether or not that would have been sealed who knows.

Do these shed any light on to what possibly could be the reason for the CPS involvement, at least as of April?

Ooooh - you're dead on. If he fought it - surely more details would be exposed about what the nature of the origianal CPS call was about. I don't know of many dads who know they are innocent of their daughter's disappearance and would ALSO let their remaining kids be taken away from him -- if anything a father who had nothing to hide would be fighting tooth and nail to be close to his surviving children from the sheer psychological fear of losing them as well. "Voluntarily" cutting off all contact seems like he's going WAY overboard to cooperate. As in "watch what the left hand is doing, not what the right hand is doing."

So perhaps this is not as innocuous as has been suggested.

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:

snowbird wrote:

Calypso wrote:@ Art Tart~

IF Becky were to relentlessly stay in the spotlight of the National Media, the attention and focus would stay on Isabel and not her family, Sergio specifically.

The flyers are a good thing, but National Media coverage, that would help so much especially in addition to the flyers.

I agree with everyone who is stating mother needs to get in front of the media. I don't think she will because she will have to answer question about her husband. The last time she was in the media she talked more about how great the husband was and he loves the boy, more than she talk about Isabel. The statement that all question will be answer when Isabel come home, was very strange to me.
The father not fighting to see the boys is strange to me. I have seen in another case Kyron, that the sep mother did not fight to keep her little girl. She doesn't want to answer any question under oath because it may incriminate her. If I did nothing wrong I would fight tooth and nail for my child.

This is interesting to me.

The agreement was voluntary and it did not have to be.

If it had been court ordered, he could have gotten counsel and had it overturned or at leas put up a good argument for doing so.

Action to seek the dismissal of the order in turn would have led to increased disclosure as to the nature of the CPS contact, whether or not that would have been sealed who knows.

Do these shed any light on to what possibly could be the reason for the CPS involvement, at least as of April?

Ooooh - you're dead on. If he fought it - surely more details would be exposed about what the nature of the origianal CPS call was about. I don't know of many dads who know they are innocent of their daughter's disappearance and would ALSO let their remaining kids be taken away from him -- if anything a father who had nothing to hide would be fighting tooth and nail to be close to his surviving children from the sheer psychological fear of losing them as well. "Voluntarily" cutting off all contact seems like he's going WAY overboard to cooperate. As in "watch what the left hand is doing, not what the right hand is doing."

So perhaps this is not as innocuous as has been suggested.

BBM

This may be an MO of Sergio.

Calypso wrote:When the parents act like they couldnt be bothered, why should the public want to help them?

IF they have a hard time speaking, why don't they have a spokes person? Did the Horman's do that with Desiree's husband speaking for the family?

Calypso, to answer your question, in Kyron's case, Tony, Desiree's husband spoke ONLY a few times for the family & he is LE. Besides the Susan Powell case, Kyron's case is the other case that I have been most passionate about. BOTH Kaine & Desiree have spoken tirelessly for Kyron & still do, they didn't & don't need a spokesperson. Desiree still has a hard time composing herself & her pain is palpable, but imo, NO ONE can speak better for her child that Desiree or Kaine, they do a great job imo. I have seen all the interviews in that case, Tony hasn't spoken in over a year & a half & did less than a handful of interviews in Kyron's case. NO ONE waited for 10 days in Kyron's case to even speak to the Media, Desiree & Kaine were both at Tony's side the few times he did speak.

NO one can represent Isabella better than her mother, imo, she should do every possible interview she possibly can, but hey, she chooses not to for whatever reason, it doesn't make sense to me & LE continues to state the same. It's completely their choice, but sooner rather than later, imo, this case is going to totally fall from the media, just like Alya's & Baby Lisa's.

Calypso, as much as attorneys IRK ME TO DEATH, maybe an attorney could actually help Becky, helping her do interviews & explaining to the family that maybe their behavior is keeping them under a cloud of suspicion.

I DON'T think the family is responsible for Isa's disappearance, but maybe LE thinks Sergio may know more than he is sharing. This case needs to move forward, at any cost, ISABELLA is all, imo, that matters.

The ridiculous appearance by Baby Lisa's family appearing this week or last on the TODAY Show to complain about LE & mostly for Jeremy to state someone stole his debit card seemed ridiculous imo, the case isn't advanced at all, LE is clearly still looking at the family. Once this happens in cases, as we too have seen in Alya's case where Le is looking at the family, the cases grow cold. I would be sickened to see that happen in this case but if something doesn't give, it may be the way the case goes, cold.

I just caught up on all the comments, ALL the comments are right, ALL very good points! YEP! The disclosure of the CPS info could be a cluster for the family but couldn't an attorney representing the family have this information confidentially? I didn't think of that.Or maybe not, CPS doesn't protect those they suspect of anything.

But maybe an attorney could help Becky navigate the MEDIA & GOD knows how they love the cameras.

art tart wrote:

Calypso wrote:When the parents act like they couldnt be bothered, why should the public want to help them?

IF they have a hard time speaking, why don't they have a spokes person? Did the Horman's do that with Desiree's husband speaking for the family?

Calypso, to answer your question, in Kyron's case, Tony, Desiree's husband spoke ONLY a few times for the family & he is LE. Besides the Susan Powell case, Kyron's case is the other case that I have been most passionate about. BOTH Kaine & Desiree have spoken tirelessly for Kyron & still do, they didn't & don't need a spokesperson. Desiree still has a hard time composing herself & her pain is palpable, but imo, NO ONE can speak better for her child that Desiree or Kaine, they do a great job imo. I have seen all the interviews in that case, Tony hasn't spoken in over a year & a half & did less than a handful of interviews in Kyron's case. NO ONE waited for 10 days in Kyron's case to even speak to the Media, Desiree & Kaine were both at Tony's side the few times he did speak.

NO one can represent Isabella better than her mother, imo, she should do every possible interview she possibly can, but hey, she chooses not to for whatever reason, it doesn't make sense to me & LE continues to state the same. It's completely their choice, but sooner rather than later, imo, this case is going to totally fall from the media, just like Alya's & Baby Lisa's.

Calypso, as much as attorneys IRK ME TO DEATH, maybe an attorney could actually help Becky, helping her do interviews & explaining to the family that maybe their behavior is keeping them under a cloud of suspicion.

I DON'T think the family is responsible for Isa's disappearance, but maybe LE thinks Sergio may know more than he is sharing. This case needs to move forward, at any cost, ISABELLA is all, imo, that matters.

The ridiculous appearance by Baby Lisa's family appearing this week or last on the TODAY Show to complain about LE & mostly for Jeremy to state someone stole his debit card seemed ridiculous imo, the case isn't advanced at all, LE is clearly still looking at the family. Once this happens in cases, as we too have seen in Alya's case where Le is looking at the family, the cases grow cold. I would be sickened to see that happen in this case but if something doesn't give, it may be the way the case goes, cold.

I know Tony only spoke a few times, all I was suggesting was even those few times, al least, the family had someone speaking out- they went ahead with the pressers- even tho they didn't talk, and they kept the case in the media for as long as the media was interested in it.

Granted, to date, it hasn't brought Kyron home, But~ it did keep the case and Kyron's face in the spotlight, which it needed to be.

Calypso wrote:When the parents act like they couldnt be bothered, why should the public want to help them?

IF they have a hard time speaking, why don't they have a spokes person? Did the Horman's do that with Desiree's husband speaking for the family?

Boy did you say I mouth full. I have been thinking the same thing and I am afraid this little girls story is going to be lost and coverage is going to stop.

What also concerns me is that the police are very tight lip. I think they have some idea of what happen to Isabel and don't want to tip there hat. It also concerns me that they have not clear the parents as suspects. You would think with all this time that they would be able to clear them.
When they brought Mom, Dad and Brother to the house, they brought out some kind of evidence with Mom and Dad.

Police to revisit, interview people near Celis home


He added that court documents filed in the case will remain sealed at the request of investigators.


http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/police-to-revisit-interview-people-near-celis-home/article_5e28ec48-8720-580b-b1bd-efe0cedebbb2.html

Why does Sergio have to leave home and have no contact with his sons?

The agreement doesn’t mean that Sergio Celis is considered to have done something wrong or hurt his daughter. It is a precaution.

If there was grave concern, there would be court action (through the Pima County Juvenile Court) initiated by CPS and not a voluntary contract.

More @ link

http://tucsoncitizen.com/pats-bits-and-bytes/?p=135

For Honeysage,


Balloon Release for Isabel

video @ link


http://www.kvoa.com/news/students-release-dozens-of-balloons-for-isabel-celis/

Tamta wrote:
For Honeysage,


Balloon Release for Isabel

video @ link


http://www.kvoa.com/news/students-release-dozens-of-balloons-for-isabel-celis/

I am glad they did this with the children from her school. They also need away of dealing with her missing.

I just saw on Rebecca Celis facebook this morning a flyer of little Isabel and Rebecca wrote at the top, "Bring my baby home please...continue to pray for her quick return". I am sad, I havent heard to much on the news about it the last 2 days, it didnt even make it on HLN news at all yesterday. I feel like if the police dont give alittle something, people are going to give up and assume this case is going cold. I know they have said over and over they dont want to compromise the case either, I understand that to, but this case still needs attention to keep it in the public eye, I feel the Celis need to get out there and do something, even if its just granting interviews.

color77 wrote:I just saw on Rebecca Celis facebook this morning a flyer of little Isabel and Rebecca wrote at the top, "Bring my baby home please...continue to pray for her quick return". I am sad, I havent heard to much on the news about it the last 2 days, it didnt even make it on HLN news at all yesterday. I feel like if the police dont give alittle something, people are going to give up and assume this case is going cold. I know they have said over and over they dont want to compromise the case either, I understand that to, but this case still needs attention to keep it in the public eye, I feel the Celis need to get out there and do something, even if its just granting interviews.

Well BC is in a tough spot right now in this way:

Public appearances are going to inevitably have to comment on her husband on depending on if she does or not the media and public will make their inferences and conclusions on Sergio's responsibility in Isa's disappearance or Becky not calling out to her daughter.

Quite honestly the woman is screwed.

Tamta wrote:
For Honeysage,


Balloon Release for Isabel

video @ link


http://www.kvoa.com/news/students-release-dozens-of-balloons-for-isabel-celis/

no comment...

Tamta wrote:

color77 wrote:I just saw on Rebecca Celis facebook this morning a flyer of little Isabel and Rebecca wrote at the top, "Bring my baby home please...continue to pray for her quick return". I am sad, I havent heard to much on the news about it the last 2 days, it didnt even make it on HLN news at all yesterday. I feel like if the police dont give alittle something, people are going to give up and assume this case is going cold. I know they have said over and over they dont want to compromise the case either, I understand that to, but this case still needs attention to keep it in the public eye, I feel the Celis need to get out there and do something, even if its just granting interviews.

Well BC is in a tough spot right now in this way:

Public appearances are going to inevitably have to comment on her husband on depending on if she does or not the media and public will make their inferences and conclusions on Sergio's responsibility in Isa's disappearance or Becky not calling out to her daughter.

Quite honestly the woman is screwed.

keep praying Becky...i'm sure Isa will just float back down to you on a purple balloon. so annoyed with the defensive and apathetic attitude. ARE THESE PARENTS GOING TO LOOK FOR ISA?

Honeysage wrote:

Tamta wrote:

color77 wrote:I just saw on Rebecca Celis facebook this morning a flyer of little Isabel and Rebecca wrote at the top, "Bring my baby home please...continue to pray for her quick return". I am sad, I havent heard to much on the news about it the last 2 days, it didnt even make it on HLN news at all yesterday. I feel like if the police dont give alittle something, people are going to give up and assume this case is going cold. I know they have said over and over they dont want to compromise the case either, I understand that to, but this case still needs attention to keep it in the public eye, I feel the Celis need to get out there and do something, even if its just granting interviews.

Well BC is in a tough spot right now in this way:

Public appearances are going to inevitably have to comment on her husband on depending on if she does or not the media and public will make their inferences and conclusions on Sergio's responsibility in Isa's disappearance or Becky not calling out to her daughter.

Quite honestly the woman is screwed.

keep praying Becky...i'm sure Isa will just float back down to you on a purple balloon. so annoyed with the defensive and apathetic attitude. ARE THESE PARENTS GOING TO LOOK FOR ISA?

She really could say "I'm not going to comment on my husband at this time" and continue to speak out for Isa.

Marlene Lamar did it about Steve (an RSO) and her bf.

Absolutely, Tamta.

Rebeca needs to remind the public the issue for her speaking is for her daughter, whatever issues are with Sergio, he needs to resolve them, or they will resolve them as a family down the road.

In the meantime, they are there for Isabel.

There are no media updates that I can post for Isabel.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18616989/isabels-parents-help-move-volunteer-command-post

Isabel's parents help move volunteer command post

This is the first time we've seen Rebecca and Sergio Celis together since Tucson News Now learned early last week that Child Protective Services forbid Sergio to see his two boys.

Becky appears to be in a defensive pose in the photo on the right~

Calypso wrote:http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18616989/isabels-parents-help-move-volunteer-command-post

Isabel's parents help move volunteer command post

This is the first time we've seen Rebecca and Sergio Celis together since Tucson News Now learned early last week that Child Protective Services forbid Sergio to see his two boys.

Becky appears to be in a defensive pose in the photo on the right~

from your article:

Volunteers say their goal is to keep Isabel in the public eye more than a month after her disappearance.

should be the parents' goal...if it wasn't for the volunteers we wouldn't even be hearing about Isa.

Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but why are there no SEARCHES for Isabel? The command center looks like it just handles flyers, vigils, and donations, no actual searches.

Calypso wrote:http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18616989/isabels-parents-help-move-volunteer-command-post

Isabel's parents help move volunteer command post

This is the first time we've seen Rebecca and Sergio Celis together since Tucson News Now learned early last week that Child Protective Services forbid Sergio to see his two boys.

Becky appears to be in a defensive pose in the photo on the right~

"The parents would not speak in camera today."

Honeysage wrote:

Calypso wrote:http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18616989/isabels-parents-help-move-volunteer-command-post

Isabel's parents help move volunteer command post

This is the first time we've seen Rebecca and Sergio Celis together since Tucson News Now learned early last week that Child Protective Services forbid Sergio to see his two boys.

Becky appears to be in a defensive pose in the photo on the right~

from your article:

Volunteers say their goal is to keep Isabel in the public eye more than a month after her disappearance.

should be the parents' goal... if it wasn't for the volunteers we wouldn't even be hearing about Isa

Sadly, I agree.

JustWinnie wrote:Forgive me if this has already been discussed, but why are there no SEARCHES for Isabel? The command center looks like it just handles flyers, vigils, and donations, no actual searches.

i don't understand this either...i know from other cases the family must call in re: KlaasKids and TES, but i don't know whether LE has any say whatsoever...i would think they would welcome any help at all. but if we're waiting on family then it ain't gonna happen in my opinion...they are not showing signs of desperation to find this poor child. one of our dogs was lost for a few days and i had her up on every missing pet website i could find within a few hours (we got her back-she was hanging with new tenants at our old house). i'd be calling every missing child search team available if it was my child.

Breaking News:
More than 550 pages released in Celis case

Tuson News Now
No story yet or docs...keep a look out. Typically who every paid for the docs go through first then release.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18503202/live-stream-tpd-update-on-isabel-celis-case-at-2-pm

Verogal wrote:Breaking News:
More than 550 pages released in Celis case

Tuson News Now
No story yet or docs...keep a look out. Typically who every paid for the docs go through first then release.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18503202/live-stream-tpd-update-on-isabel-celis-case-at-2-pm

woo-hoo...doc dump! better make some coffee, seems like i will be up late reading...thanks for this info.

https://www.facebook.com/TucsonNewsNow

Tucson News Now
46 minutes ago
Taken from the documents--A man informed a detective, while at a Bruegger's Bagels near the Celis home, that he coached baseball with Sergio Celis and that he 'knows him well.'
The detective's write up continues: "(The man) went on to say that something didn't seem right about what was going on and alluded that he believed that the father was involved in some way."

Honeysage wrote:

Verogal wrote:Breaking News:
More than 550 pages released in Celis case

Tuson News Now
No story yet or docs...keep a look out. Typically who every paid for the docs go through first then release.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18503202/live-stream-tpd-update-on-isabel-celis-case-at-2-pm

woo-hoo...doc dump! better make some coffee, seems like i will be up late reading...thanks for this info.

Doc dump at the end of term?

Cruel world.

Honeysage wrote:https://www.facebook.com/TucsonNewsNow

Tucson News Now
46 minutes ago
Taken from the documents--A man informed a detective, while at a Bruegger's Bagels near the Celis home, that he coached baseball with Sergio Celis and that he 'knows him well.'
The detective's write up continues: "(The man) went on to say that something didn't seem right about what was going on and alluded that he believed that the father was involved in some way."

Joe Vega again???

Tamta wrote:

Honeysage wrote:

Verogal wrote:Breaking News:
More than 550 pages released in Celis case

Tuson News Now
No story yet or docs...keep a look out. Typically who every paid for the docs go through first then release.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18503202/live-stream-tpd-update-on-isabel-celis-case-at-2-pm

woo-hoo...doc dump! better make some coffee, seems like i will be up late reading...thanks for this info.

Doc dump at the end of term?

Cruel world.

lol Tamta..it is a conspiracy against all the people who can't be waiting at the computer all day for docs (like me)

Chickenbutt wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Honeysage wrote:

Verogal wrote:Breaking News:
More than 550 pages released in Celis case

Tuson News Now
No story yet or docs...keep a look out. Typically who every paid for the docs go through first then release.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18503202/live-stream-tpd-update-on-isabel-celis-case-at-2-pm

woo-hoo...doc dump! better make some coffee, seems like i will be up late reading...thanks for this info.

Doc dump at the end of term?

Cruel world.

lol Tamta..it is a conspiracy against all the people who can't be waiting at the computer all day for docs (like me)

But I have an iPhone and no self control!

I hope the links don't work !!!

Bad, bad combination Tamta. And I will bet you some chocolate that ALL the links will work and you will not, work that is.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18621086/550-pages-released-in-celis-case
550+ pages released in Celis case

The documents include write-ups from detectives as they responded to these tips as well as evidence collected and locations searched throughout the course of the investigation.

Chickenbutt wrote:Bad, bad combination Tamta. And I will bet you some chocolate that ALL the links will work and you will not, work that is.

I will not sleep.
I will not sleep.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18621086/550-pages-released-in-celis-case
550+ pages reveal details in extensive Celis investigation

One detective reported on April 26 that he responded to "3314 E. Benson Highway regarding the report of a phone call at a payphone claiming to have the missing little girl and if police did not respond in ten minutes he would kill her." The officer responded and did not see anyone near the payphone or in the immediate area.
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seems like it's going to be 500 pages of crazy

New reports detail Tucson police's intense search for Isabel Celis

Tucson police conducted an intensive search — both in the number of people questioned and areas checked — in the hours and days following the disappearance of Isabel Celis, newly released reports show.

Tucson police on Thursday made public more than 500 pages of reports filed by officers who were involved in the search for 6-year-old Isabel, who was reported missing from her midtown home April 21.

The investigation has cost Tucson police more than $1 million and involved hundreds of officers.

Most of the police reports were similar in detail, briefly spelling out each officer’s involvement in the case. Most of the reports were from officers who conducted searches, canvassed neighborhoods or followed up on tips reported by the community.

More at LInk

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/new-reports-detail-tucson-police-s-instense-search-for-isabel/article_b5e5f172-a612-11e1-84ee-001a4bcf887a.html

Command Centre Moved

The command post for volunteers who have spent numerous hours helping with the search for 6-year-old Isabel Celis has moved.

The new volunteer center is located at the Abbie Loveland Tuller School, 5870 E. 14th St., just south of Park Place Mall.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/volunteer-post-in-search-for-isabel-at-new-location/article_1e2b1996-a5f6-11e1-9a39-001a4bcf887a.html

Boy during all those searches by LE, I bet the normal, everyday criminals were very nervous.

Chickenbutt wrote:Boy during all those searches by LE, I bet the normal, everyday criminals were very nervous.

i wonder what statistics looked like for those weeks.

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18621086/550-pages-released-in-celis-case
550+ pages reveal details in extensive Celis investigation

One detective wrote, "I used a forensic light source to search the middle east bedroom of the residence for any bodily fluids." The official also photographed footprints in the alleyway south of the Celis home and "several shoe impressions on top of an electrical box located directly behind the residence."

UPDATE:
-overall views of the middle east bedroom including views of apparent blood on the floor."
-Taken from a car at the residence was a white hat and a vinyl shower curtain. The items had "dark red-brown or brown stains."
-One detective reported a positive Luminol reason on the "driver's seat of the Toyota Corolla


The full PDF of the documents will be available by Friday afternoon.

http://www.kgun9.com/news/local/153931355.html
Police reports shed new light on Celis investigation

Sergio tells police he fell asleep on the couch in the family room until 5 a.m. That's when he woke up to join Rebecca in bed the morning Isabel disappeared. He tells police the window was closed the last time he saw Isabel.

Key parts of these reports were redacted to protect the investigation.

New reports detail Tucson police's intense search for Isabel Celis

Arizona Daily Star
Tucson, AZ

May 24, 2012


Tucson police conducted an intensive search — both in the number of people questioned and areas checked — in the hours and days following the disappearance of Isabel Celis, newly released reports show.

Tucson police on Thursday made public more than 500 pages of reports filed by officers who were involved in the search for 6-year-old Isabel, who was reported missing from her midtown home April 21.

The investigation has cost Tucson police more than $1 million and involved hundreds of officers.

Most of the police reports were similar in detail, briefly spelling out each officer’s involvement in the case. Most of the reports were from officers who conducted searches, canvassed neighborhoods or followed up on tips reported by the community.

Some details from the reports include:

Read more:

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/crime/new-reports-detail-tucson-police-s-intense-search-for-isabel/article_b5e5f172-a612-11e1-84ee-001a4bcf887a.html

Honeysage wrote:http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/18621086/550-pages-released-in-celis-case
550+ pages reveal details in extensive Celis investigation

One detective wrote, "I used a forensic light source to search the middle east bedroom of the residence for any bodily fluids." The official also photographed footprints in the alleyway south of the Celis home and "several shoe impressions on top of an electrical box located directly behind the residence."

UPDATE:
-overall views of the middle east bedroom including views of apparent blood on the floor."
-Taken from a car at the residence was a white hat and a vinyl shower curtain. The items had "dark red-brown or brown stains."
-One detective reported a positive Luminol reason on the "driver's seat of the Toyota Corolla


The full PDF of the documents will be available by Friday afternoon.

Now, understanding that we all react differently to different things (because we do), I would really be interested to know what Becky's reaction to these specific statements is. I know that she may react to them in an unexpected way (but, most of us really can't truly put ourselves in the shoes of a woman who may be faced with evidence that her own husband and her own child's father, may have been the one to harm her child), so that's not so much what I would want to see. Faced with these statements that you highlight above, I wonder if it would make her angry at Sergio and compel her to start talking about possible unresolved instances that her mind didn't quite get, but that she passed off as nothing for the moment.

It's easy to believe someone you love, and the reason she defends Sergio so forcefully, I think, is because she absolutely sees him as a fellow victim of a horrible crime. She IS thinking about her child first, and to defend her child's father when she truly believes that the police should look elsewhere, to a woman who believes that, she is convinced that is the best way to get her child home safely. THAT is precisely why I would really be interested in her reaction to statements like this. It's probably a reaction that we won't see publicly, but for her to learn of the specific things found in their home could very well be the point at which she decides to proceed without Sergio and start revisiting those little hinky things from early on that she may have just passed off as nothing.

So wait a minute here. The docs released say we've got footprints on top of the electrical box, footprints on the south side of the residence, blood in the bedroom, blood in the car, stained shower curtains and were supposed to believe no one in this house heard anything at all? They all went to bed at 11, except Sergio claimed he was up watching the game, right next to Isa's bedroom where she was sleeping? Were supposed to believe some stranger was just all over this house, then in the car all undetected with 3 dogs in the home to boot? Sorry, IMO now something really stinks in suburbia, more then ever. I was really hoping in my own defensive skewed but safe oppinion that the kid was placed in hiding intentionally and thats why the parents werent acting how we wanted them to. I felt that may have been the most reasonable angle, and why random statements like, "we thought she would be home now, and it wouldnt take this long"(BC- at candle vigil) and the lack of urgency surrounding her disaperance would be very explainable if we believed she was hidden intentionaly. I know there is no evidence to support feeling like that way, just listening over and over to her parents talk, and the way I have percieved thier actions, but now I dont know what the heck to believe. Based on the info released in those docs I defitnaly now think something way more sinister has taken place, cant wait to see what the rest reveals!

color77 wrote:So wait a minute here. The docs released say we've got footprints on top of the electrical box, footprints on the south side of the residence, blood in the bedroom, blood in the car, stained shower curtains and were supposed to believe no one in this house heard anything at all? They all went to bed at 11, except Sergio claimed he was up watching the game, right next to Isa's bedroom where she was sleeping? Were supposed to believe some stranger was just all over this house, then in the car all undetected with 3 dogs in the home to boot? Sorry, IMO now something really stinks in suburbia, more then ever. I was really hoping in my own defensive skewed but safe oppinion that the kid was placed in hiding intentionally and thats why the parents werent acting how we wanted them to. I felt that may have been the most reasonable angle, and why random statements like, "we thought she would be home now, and it wouldnt take this long"(BC- at candle vigil) and the lack of urgency surrounding her disaperance would be very explainable if we believed she was hidden intentionaly. I know there is no evidence to support feeling like that way, just listening over and over to her parents talk, and the way I have percieved thier actions, but now I dont know what the heck to believe. Based on the info released in those docs I defitnaly now think something way more sinister has taken place, cant wait to see what the rest reveals!

Still wanting to know more about:

- whether or not anyone else was in the house the night prior or early that morning.

-Who put Isabel to bed?

Tamta wrote:

Chickenbutt wrote:Boy during all those searches by LE, I bet the normal, everyday criminals were very nervous.

i wonder what statistics looked like for those weeks.

Now THAT piqued my interest!! I DO wonder what the crime stats look like when heightened police activity scours the area like that. There must be a strong correlation between decreased activity (for that related type of crime) and heightened police scrutiny & investigation.

For one thing, we have learned that as a result of interviewing RSO's they already found several in violation of their registration.

Stolat wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Chickenbutt wrote:Boy during all those searches by LE, I bet the normal, everyday criminals were very nervous.

i wonder what statistics looked like for those weeks.

Now THAT piqued my interest!! I DO wonder what the crime stats look like when heightened police activity scours the area like that. There must be a strong correlation between decreased activity (for that related type of crime) and heightened police scrutiny & investigation.

For one thing, we have learned that as a result of interviewing RSO's they already found several in violation of their registration.

The Tucson PD has crime stats on their web page http://cms3.tucsonaz.gov/police/stats. You can also look up crime stats for any city/state at https://www.crimereports.com/ This site lets you put in any address or city/state and it will display a map of all crimes in the area for the date range you specify. Click on the Incident Layers button for a legend that explains what each of the crime letters mean.