Rebecca Zahau Found Dead at Historic Mansion 7/13/11 #2

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Kamala-Harris-accused-of-withholding-vital-info-3186525.php

Kamala Harris accused of withholding vital info
Jaxon Van Derbeken, Chronicle Staff Writer

Published 4:00 a.m., Thursday, June 3, 2010

Puzzler wrote:

The "voice" part is what is only kept a short time and that female detective said she knew it was too late to recover the "voice" message.

She was in charge of the phones.

Female detective...Angelia something? Wasn't this female detective also charged with witnessing Rebecca's autopsy? And was a no show?

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/S-F-panel-Kamala-Harris-violated-sunshine-law-3247865.php

S.F. panel: Kamala Harris violated sunshine law

Marisa Lagos, Chronicle Staff Writer
Published 4:00 a.m., Saturday, October 30, 2010

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Ethics issues Harris?

What are we to expect from her?

vegret wrote:

Puzzler wrote:

The "voice" part is what is only kept a short time and that female detective said she knew it was too late to recover the "voice" message.

She was in charge of the phones.

Female detective...Angelia something? Wasn't this female detective also charged with witnessing Rebecca's autopsy? And was a no show?

One in the same......she was also not present at the Sept, 2011 dog-and-pony show put on by Gore!

Inparadise wrote:

vegret wrote:

Female detective...Angelia something? Wasn't this female detective also charged with witnessing Rebecca's autopsy? And was a no show?

One in the same......she was also not present at the Sept, 2011 dog-and-pony show put on by Gore!

Lol.

Could it get any more predictable!!

[quote="Tamta"][quote="Puzzler"]It's my understanding that the telephone and text information is recoverable; but that the "voice" message isn't.

The "voice" part is what is only kept a short time and that female detective said she knew it was too late to recover the "voice" message.

She was in charge of the phones.
Gore made decision that there was a suicide based on "hearsay" of what the voice message said.
No one ever heard the voice message.
No one can prove anything was "ever said" in a voice mail.

[quote="vegret"][quote="Tamta"]
I'm curious what date the female detective was put in place to investigate the phones?

Tamta wrote:

Inparadise wrote:

One in the same......she was also not present at the Sept, 2011 dog-and-pony show put on by Gore!

Lol.

Could it get any more predictable!!

I had heard that she was not "buying" the suicide theory, and because of that, Gore didn't want her at the PC. But who knows???????

[quote="vegret"][quote="Tamta"]

LOL I screwed this up majorly! Anyways, I'm curious what date the female detective was put in place to investigate the phones?

[quote="vegret"][quote="vegret"]

According to Gore it was looked at twice.

I thought Angelina was charged with looking at it the 'first' time.
Someone else the 'second' time.

All of my bookmarks are on my laptop at Apple right now!

Lash???

Inparadise wrote:

Tamta wrote:

Lol.

Could it get any more predictable!!

I had heard that she was not "buying" the suicide theory, and because of that, Gore didn't want her at the PC. But who knows???????

Maybe she's a witness to the apparent abuse of justice...

"Kamala Harris complies with open-government laws about as well as she has handled the San Francisco crime lab scandal,"

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/S-F-panel-Kamala-Harris-violated-sunshine-law-3247865.php#ixzz25pLO3LSo

Soooo it seems AG Kamala Harris has the same thought process as Sheriff Gore. How are they connected?

Oh, the web of corruption is ever widening.

Boo

That detective was, detective of the year, or some such thing the year before???

Inparadise wrote:Jonah and Dina were building a much more lavish home on Mummy Mountain, but Jonah moved out of the house on East Caballo Drive on Christmas Eve while Dina was out of town with Max......their divorce wasn't final until late 2010 or early 2011.

Reminds me of an old song. Oh, the Games People Play now....every night and every day now....

vegret wrote:

Puzzler wrote:

The "voice" part is what is only kept a short time and that female detective said she knew it was too late to recover the "voice" message.

She was in charge of the phones.

Female detective...Angelia something? Wasn't this female detective also charged with witnessing Rebecca's autopsy? And was a no show?

Yes. I "believe" it's noted in the A/R who was supposed to attend and who did/didn't.

Edit for addition: Detective Angela Tsuida

KZ wrote:
My typo. SOL is 2 years for wrongful death in California. That will bring us to July 2013.

http://www.edgarsnyder.com/statute-limitations/california-statute-limitations.html

Of course, she could file anytime, as her supporters often mention. But with Max's death ruled an accident related to a fall (child's play gone wrong), I think it would be a much harder sell to a jury than if the death was ruled undetermined or a homicide. That's why I think it is Dina's mission to villainize Rebecca in the media as much as possible. She wants the manner of death reclassified to a homicide ruling so she can "get" Jonah financially in a civil suit, IMO. That's why the release of her paid reports blatantly naming Rebecca (very unprofessional on the part of Melinek, IMO) coincided so nicely with the roll out of her nonprofit. The memorial nonprofit based on her completely unfounded and unsupported concept that Max was unsafe in his home with Jonah and Rebecca. (While imploring the public to ignore her own history with Jonah of domestic violence.) All of that spin and misinformation campaign is building toward her civil wrongful death $uit. $$$$$, IMO.

No wonder she sounds so desperate with all her recent media appearances. I wonder how many times she keeps calling Coronado PD.

• 7/13/2011 - Rebecca's cell phone taken into evidence.

• 8/15/2011 - LE powers Rebecca's phone for the first time.

• 8/24/2011 - Search Warrant 11-164 - Detective Angela Tsuida requested phone records.

• 9/22/2011 - Sgt. Nesbit announces new forensic exam of phone.

Snip - News 8 has learned Sheriff's detectives never attempted to recover a deleted voicemail message, which Nesbit confirmed was left for Zahau by her boyfriend Jonah Shacknai, 54, hours before she died.

Snip - In the early days of the investigation, Jonah Shacknai told detectives he had left the voicemail message, Lt. Nesbit recalled.

"If we could have gotten it (the voicemail), yes, it would have been helpful but it was not critical to the case," said Lt. Nesbit.

Snip - "Once we found out that the technology did not exist to forensically examine the phone, the detective manually opened the phone and learned that the message had been deleted; and she knew from prior case experience that if the message had been deleted from the phone, it would not have been stored on an AT&T server," Nesbit said.

Nesbit explained further that the voicemail "is not stored on the phone itself but once it's deleted from the phone, after a certain number of days it's also deleted from the AT&T server; and at that point it had been at least a week and she (the detective) knew that it was no longer on the server."

Snip - To date, sheriff investigators have served no search warrants or subpoenas on AT&T seeking to obtain either the deleted voicemail or call logs related to Rebecca Zahau's phone, according to Lt. Nesbit.

Nesbit said because they had possession of the phone itself, there was no need to subpoena Rebecca's call logs.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15520745/sheriff-launches-forensic-exam-of-zahaus-cell-phone-new-witnesses-accounts-reported

Thanks Lash

Lash wrote:• 7/13/2011 - Rebecca's cell phone taken into evidence.

• 8/15/2011 - LE powers Rebecca's phone for the first time.

• 8/24/2011 - Search Warrant 11-164 - Detective Angela Tsuida requested phone records.

• 9/22/2011 - Sgt. Nesbit announces new forensic exam of phone.

Snip - News 8 has learned Sheriff's detectives never attempted to recover a deleted voicemail message, which Nesbit confirmed was left for Zahau by her boyfriend Jonah Shacknai, 54, hours before she died.

Snip - In the early days of the investigation, Jonah Shacknai told detectives he had left the voicemail message, Lt. Nesbit recalled.

"If we could have gotten it (the voicemail), yes, it would have been helpful but it was not critical to the case," said Lt. Nesbit.

Snip - "Once we found out that the technology did not exist to forensically examine the phone, the detective manually opened the phone and learned that the message had been deleted; and she knew from prior case experience that if the message had been deleted from the phone, it would not have been stored on an AT&T server," Nesbit said.

Nesbit explained further that the voicemail "is not stored on the phone itself but once it's deleted from the phone, after a certain number of days it's also deleted from the AT&T server; and at that point it had been at least a week and she (the detective) knew that it was no longer on the server."

Snip - To date, sheriff investigators have served no search warrants or subpoenas on AT&T seeking to obtain either the deleted voicemail or call logs related to Rebecca Zahau's phone, according to Lt. Nesbit.

Nesbit said because they had possession of the phone itself, there was no need to subpoena Rebecca's call logs.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15520745/sheriff-launches-forensic-exam-of-zahaus-cell-phone-new-witnesses-accounts-reported

Shut up!

UNBELIEVABLE.
RIDICULOUS.

FLAT OUT STUPID.

LIES.

Lash wrote:• 7/13/2011 - Rebecca's cell phone taken into evidence.

• 8/15/2011 - LE powers Rebecca's phone for the first time.

• 8/24/2011 - Search Warrant 11-164 - Detective Angela Tsuida requested phone records.

• 9/22/2011 - Sgt. Nesbit announces new forensic exam of phone.

Snip - News 8 has learned Sheriff's detectives never attempted to recover a deleted voicemail message, which Nesbit confirmed was left for Zahau by her boyfriend Jonah Shacknai, 54, hours before she died.

Snip - In the early days of the investigation, Jonah Shacknai told detectives he had left the voicemail message, Lt. Nesbit recalled.

"If we could have gotten it (the voicemail), yes, it would have been helpful but it was not critical to the case," said Lt. Nesbit.

Snip - "Once we found out that the technology did not exist to forensically examine the phone, the detective manually opened the phone and learned that the message had been deleted; and she knew from prior case experience that if the message had been deleted from the phone, it would not have been stored on an AT&T server," Nesbit said.

Nesbit explained further that the voicemail "is not stored on the phone itself but once it's deleted from the phone, after a certain number of days it's also deleted from the AT&T server; and at that point it had been at least a week and she (the detective) knew that it was no longer on the server."

Snip - To date, sheriff investigators have served no search warrants or subpoenas on AT&T seeking to obtain either the deleted voicemail or call logs related to Rebecca Zahau's phone, according to Lt. Nesbit.

Nesbit said because they had possession of the phone itself, there was no need to subpoena Rebecca's call logs.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15520745/sheriff-launches-forensic-exam-of-zahaus-cell-phone-new-witnesses-accounts-reported

"If we could have gotten it (the voicemail), yes, it would have been helpful but it was not critical to the case," said Lt. Nesbit.


It wasn't critical to the case? The entire theory about Rebecca's suicide was based on a voicemail where Jonah allegedly had told Rebecca that Max's death was imminent. Gore said in a press conference, where he announced the findings of the investigation into Rebecca's death, that Rebecca listened to the message just minutes after it was left, and that Jonah's voicemail was what prompted her to concoct the plan to hang herself. The voice mail was a crucial piece of evidence that Gore needed to back up his theory that Rebecca killed herself after she found out that Max was going to die.

Lash wrote:• 7/13/2011 - Rebecca's cell phone taken into evidence.

• 8/15/2011 - LE powers Rebecca's phone for the first time.

• 8/24/2011 - Search Warrant 11-164 - Detective Angela Tsuida requested phone records.

• 9/22/2011 - Sgt. Nesbit announces new forensic exam of phone.

Snip - News 8 has learned Sheriff's detectives never attempted to recover a deleted voicemail message, which Nesbit confirmed was left for Zahau by her boyfriend Jonah Shacknai, 54, hours before she died.

Snip - In the early days of the investigation, Jonah Shacknai told detectives he had left the voicemail message, Lt. Nesbit recalled.

"If we could have gotten it (the voicemail), yes, it would have been helpful but it was not critical to the case," said Lt. Nesbit.

Snip - "Once we found out that the technology did not exist to forensically examine the phone, the detective manually opened the phone and learned that the message had been deleted; and she knew from prior case experience that if the message had been deleted from the phone, it would not have been stored on an AT&T server," Nesbit said.

Nesbit explained further that the voicemail "is not stored on the phone itself but once it's deleted from the phone, after a certain number of days it's also deleted from the AT&T server; and at that point it had been at least a week and she (the detective) knew that it was no longer on the server."

Snip - To date, sheriff investigators have served no search warrants or subpoenas on AT&T seeking to obtain either the deleted voicemail or call logs related to Rebecca Zahau's phone, according to Lt. Nesbit.

Nesbit said because they had possession of the phone itself, there was no need to subpoena Rebecca's call logs.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15520745/sheriff-launches-forensic-exam-of-zahaus-cell-phone-new-witnesses-accounts-reported

Hmmm...sounds like the SDSO is blaming her for SDSO's ineptness. All of it.

Wishing she'd write a book!

Ok. I don't have a cell phone. My kids and friends do.
I thought messages were stored directly on the cell phone itself. Am I in error? Does the cell phone company/server have it stored there? Could it be stored in two or more locations?

Alessandra_Deux wrote:

Lash wrote:• 7/13/2011 - Rebecca's cell phone taken into evidence.

• 8/15/2011 - LE powers Rebecca's phone for the first time.

• 8/24/2011 - Search Warrant 11-164 - Detective Angela Tsuida requested phone records.

• 9/22/2011 - Sgt. Nesbit announces new forensic exam of phone.

Snip - News 8 has learned Sheriff's detectives never attempted to recover a deleted voicemail message, which Nesbit confirmed was left for Zahau by her boyfriend Jonah Shacknai, 54, hours before she died.

Snip - In the early days of the investigation, Jonah Shacknai told detectives he had left the voicemail message, Lt. Nesbit recalled.

"If we could have gotten it (the voicemail), yes, it would have been helpful but it was not critical to the case," said Lt. Nesbit.

Snip - "Once we found out that the technology did not exist to forensically examine the phone, the detective manually opened the phone and learned that the message had been deleted; and she knew from prior case experience that if the message had been deleted from the phone, it would not have been stored on an AT&T server," Nesbit said.

Nesbit explained further that the voicemail "is not stored on the phone itself but once it's deleted from the phone, after a certain number of days it's also deleted from the AT&T server; and at that point it had been at least a week and she (the detective) knew that it was no longer on the server."

Snip - To date, sheriff investigators have served no search warrants or subpoenas on AT&T seeking to obtain either the deleted voicemail or call logs related to Rebecca Zahau's phone, according to Lt. Nesbit.

Nesbit said because they had possession of the phone itself, there was no need to subpoena Rebecca's call logs.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15520745/sheriff-launches-forensic-exam-of-zahaus-cell-phone-new-witnesses-accounts-reported

"If we could have gotten it (the voicemail), yes, it would have been helpful but it was not critical to the case," said Lt. Nesbit.


It wasn't critical to the case? The entire theory about Rebecca's suicide was based on a voicemail where Jonah allegedly had told Rebecca that Max's death was imminent. Gore said in a press conference, where he announced the findings of the investigation into Rebecca's death, that Rebecca listened to the message just minutes after it was left, and that Jonah's voicemail was what prompted her to concoct the plan to hang herself. The voice mail was a crucial piece of evidence that Gore needed to back up his theory that Rebecca killed herself after she found out that Max was going to die.

Hear! Hear! Gore has NO way of knowing that Rebecca listened to a voice mail.

Freckles wrote:Ok. I don't have a cell phone. My kids and friends do.
I thought messages were stored directly on the cell phone itself. Am I in error? Does the cell phone company/server have it stored there? Could it be stored in two or more locations?

"Voice" messages are stored a very "short time" and Detective Tsuida acknowledges she "knew that amount" of time in one of the documents made public. She knew it was too late to retrieve the "voice" message - even though she had had custody of RZ's phone the entire time.

Puzzler wrote:

Freckles wrote:Ok. I don't have a cell phone. My kids and friends do.
I thought messages were stored directly on the cell phone itself. Am I in error? Does the cell phone company/server have it stored there? Could it be stored in two or more locations?

"Voice" messages are stored a very "short time" and Detective Tsuida acknowledges she "knew that amount" of time in one of the documents made public. She knew it was too late to retrieve the "voice" message - even though she had had custody of RZ's phone the entire time.

Nesbit speaking for Tsuida.


http://www.760kfmb.com/story/15538406/family-releases-200-pages-of-zahau-phone-records?config=H264

I find it very strange Detective Angela Tsuida has others 'speaking' for her. Is it because the powers to be won't/wouldn't allow her to speak for herself?

"The smart phone is a relatively new model and detectives initially were unable to obtain software to forensically examine the phone, Lt. Nesbit said."

Alrighty. Unable to obtain software? So SEND it out to an agency who has the software. Jeeeez

Isn't the supposed voice mail the basic premise for the supposed suicide?

"Once we found out that the technology did not exist to forensically examine the phone, the detective manually opened the phone and learned that the message had been deleted; and she knew from prior case experience that if the message had been deleted from the phone, it would not have been stored on an AT&T server," Nesbit said.

Then shortly later it came into existence. Sure it did.

"The Sheriff's department recently acquired new software to forensically examine Zahau's cell phone."

It's a shame the Sheriff's department hasn't acquired a sense of professional ethics and up to date training in evidence collection and testing.

Dina Shacknai: "this can happen to anyone!" (from the dr drew show)

It doesn't feel good when it is happening to YOU!!

Dina should ask herself: Why are they not interested in finding the truth of what happened to Max? Maybe they are protecting the same person in that case as they are in the Rebecca Zahau case.

Its okay when he's screwing shareholders, employees or "the babysitter" but when its you, not so much.

http://www.heraldonline.com/2012/09/06/4241669/law-office-of-brodsky-smith-llc.html

http://www.hlntv.com/shows/dr-drew

updated 10:22 PM EDT, Mon September 10, 2012
Dina on Dr. Drew today.

CPD will not reopen Max's death investigation.

Click thru to 4:30 video-- edited to add, the video is embedded in a post below this one for ease of watching.

Re the supposed voice message left on the RZ' phone:
I still am not convinced NR did not have something to do with the phone.

Was there ANY evidence found on RZ' phone of a map search "for directions" to the hospital as NR stated she had done on RZ' phone when RZ picked NR and her son up from the airport? Wouldn't that have shown in the records? Either on the telephone or if linked to a computer, on the home computer? Perhaps, RZ had a lap top where it would have registered?

Something smells real fishy here. And why would JS need to make sure a message had been deleted?

http://coronado.patch.com/articles/dr-phil-re-visits-spreckels-case-zahau-shacknai

The Spreckels case soon will have a second go-round on the Dr. Phil show, after Monday's taping, in which the host conducted interviews with Rebecca Zahau's family and the mother of Max Shacknai, the boy who suffered fatal injuries at the home.

Dr. Phil McGraw hosted Zahau's sister for a two-part show in November that included the results of a second autopsy on Zahau's remains.

This time Zahau's loved ones will be joined by Dina Shacknai, according to CBS8, which airs Dr. Phil's show

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/sep/10/no-new-shacknai-probe-mom-wants-zahau-files/

Coronado police have rejected a request by the mother of Max Shacknai to reopen the investigation into the death of her son last year at the historic Spreckels mansion, representatives for Dina Shacknai said Monday.

Dina Shacknai’s representatives released a copy of a letter dated Aug. 30 signed by Coronado Police Chief Louis Scanlon and Dr. Glenn Wagner, the county’s chief medical examiner. The two-paragraph letter said that police and the Medical Examiner’s Office reviewed the independent information and concluded the medical examiner’s finding that Max’s death was an accident “remains unchanged.”

Dina Shacknai’s representatives released a six-page letter she sent to Chief Scanlon that criticized the decision not to reopen the case. She also requested that she be given the “entire investigatory file” on Zahau’s death.

BBM.

KZ wrote:http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/sep/10/no-new-shacknai-probe-mom-wants-zahau-files/

Coronado police have rejected a request by the mother of Max Shacknai to reopen the investigation into the death of her son last year at the historic Spreckels mansion, representatives for Dina Shacknai said Monday.

Dina Shacknai’s representatives released a copy of a letter dated Aug. 30 signed by Coronado Police Chief Louis Scanlon and Dr. Glenn Wagner, the county’s chief medical examiner. The two-paragraph letter said that police and the Medical Examiner’s Office reviewed the independent information and concluded the medical examiner’s finding that Max’s death was an accident “remains unchanged.”

Dina Shacknai’s representatives released a six-page letter she sent to Chief Scanlon that criticized the decision not to reopen the case. She also requested that she be given the “entire investigatory file” on Zahau’s death.

BBM.

Also requesting Rebecca's phone and laptop too...insert sarcasm.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/19504593/zahau-family-and-dina-shacknai-to-appear-on-dr-phil?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=7707764

1:53 video at link

http://10newsblogs.com/pdf/shacknai_response_release_091012.pdf

Link to today's press release from Dina Shacknai.

Dina Shacknai has formally expressed her disappointment and dismay with the COPD's decision to keep the case closed in a letter to the Chief of the Coronado Police Department, Louis Scanlon. Media interested in receiving a copy of this communication should contact the Martz Agency.

The public is invited to go to www.maxshacknai.com to find out more information regarding Max's case, to participate in an online petition to reopen the case and to find out who to contact in Coronado and San Diego County to help justice be served.

BBM

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/despite-new-expert-reports-brought-forth-by-boys-mother-coronado-police-department-will-not-reopen-investigation-into-max-shacknais-death-2012-09-10

KZ wrote:http://10newsblogs.com/pdf/shacknai_response_release_091012.pdf

Link to today's press release from Dina Shacknai.

“In light of the evidence we provided, it is shocking that the Coronado Police Department has refused to reopen the case,” said Dina Shacknai. “As a mother, I will leave no stone unturned and I am prepared to do whatever it takes to pursue justice and find the truth behind my son’s death, however long that may take. We presented scientific evidence and legitimate science does not lie. It is more than disappointing that despite the depth and detail of the evidence we presented, the system has failed us and it has failed Max. I just hope we can make a meaningful difference in many other children’s lives through our experience and through the recent creation of Maxie’s H.O.U.S.E.”

Maxie’s H.O.U.S.E. (maxieshouse.org) is a nonprofit organization with the mission of upholding and promoting the physical and emotional safety of children in blended families living in more than one home.

(Excerpts from the above link)


I am wondering if this is a response to the Coronado Police Department's decision not to reopen the investigation into Max's death, or an add for the non profit organization.

Well, Alessandra, she managed to get a plug in for the nonprofit in the press release, the unsupported premise of which is that Max was somehow unsafe in his father and girlfriend's home.

But we must not forget that it is Rebecca Dina is upset with. Dead Rebecca. Not Jonah. Dina is curiously silent in all of her public comments about either criticism or praise of Jonah in his parenting, judgement, and relationship with Rebecca.

Almost like she has displaced all of her anger at Jonah onto Rebecca, IMO.

And Jonah is just all together.....silent.

Max Shacknai Death Investigation Will Not Be Reopened, Despite Differing Opinions on Cause

By Matthew Hendley Tue., Sep. 11 2012 at 7:15 AM

~Snipped~

Dr. Robert T. Bove Jr., an "expert in injury biomechanics," theorized that Max was assaulted, and either hit his back on the second-floor railing or on the landing in-between floors. Then, he either moved or was moved over the railing, as he sustained skull and back injuries.

Based on Max's center of gravity, Bove said it was really unlikely that Max fell over the railing on accident, given its height.

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2012/09/max_shacknai_death_investigati.php

The Coronado Police Department said this morning...

'Just say NO to HOs!!!'


Bye, bye es!

Snipped for relevance -

Alessandra_Deux wrote:
“In light of the evidence we provided, it is shocking that the Coronado Police Department has refused to reopen the case,” said Dina Shacknai. “As a mother, I will leave no stone unturned and I am prepared to do whatever it takes to pursue justice and find the truth behind my son’s death, however long that may take. We presented scientific evidence and legitimate science does not lie. It is more than disappointing that despite the depth and detail of the evidence we presented, the system has failed us and it has failed Max. I just hope we can make a meaningful difference in many other children’s lives through our experience and through the recent creation of Maxie’s H.O.U.S.E.”

RBM - In my opinion, a blog website used as a source in a forensic pathologist report would not be considered scientific and legitimate evidence. This was obviously not the only resource Dr. Melinek used. However, I think citing this source several times in a professional report created credibility questions.

This part is rather interesting...just another misconception put forth by SDSO and CPD.

Snip - Additionally, Shacknai said, “It was disclosed by Commander Lawton of the COPD, that the diagram presented at the multi-agency press conference led by Sheriff William Gore on September 2, 2011, illustrating an inaccurate scaling of Max’s frame to that of the staircase railing was not prepared by Dr. Gomez, but by the San Diego County District Attorney’s Office.”

http://10newsblogs.com/pdf/shacknai_response_release_091012.pdf

Lash wrote:This part is rather interesting...just another misconception put forth by SDSO and CPD.

Snip - Additionally, Shacknai said, “It was disclosed by Commander Lawton of the COPD, that the diagram presented at the multi-agency press conference led by Sheriff William Gore on September 2, 2011, illustrating an inaccurate scaling of Max’s frame to that of the staircase railing was not prepared by Dr. Gomez, but by the San Diego County District Attorney’s Office.”

http://10newsblogs.com/pdf/shacknai_response_release_091012.pdf

The graphic illustration that Gore presented at the press conference to depict the manner in which Max allegedly fell from the guard rail on the second floor was a total joke, the scale was wrong, the center of gravity was wrong, everything was wrong!

Zahau family and Dina Shacknai to appear on 'Dr. Phil'


http://www.cbs8.com/story/19504593/zahau-family-and-dina-shacknai-to-appear-on-dr-phil

(CBS 8) - Family members on both sides of the tragic deaths at the Spreckels Mansion in Coronado are in L.A. speaking with Dr. Phil.

Alessandra_Deux wrote:

Lash wrote:This part is rather interesting...just another misconception put forth by SDSO and CPD.

Snip - Additionally, Shacknai said, “It was disclosed by Commander Lawton of the COPD, that the diagram presented at the multi-agency press conference led by Sheriff William Gore on September 2, 2011, illustrating an inaccurate scaling of Max’s frame to that of the staircase railing was not prepared by Dr. Gomez, but by the San Diego County District Attorney’s Office.”

http://10newsblogs.com/pdf/shacknai_response_release_091012.pdf

The graphic illustration that Gore presented at the press conference to depict the manner in which Max allegedly fell from the guard rail on the second floor was a total joke, the scale was wrong, the center of gravity was wrong, everything was wrong!

I agree. I also think that it is possible for Gomez to be wrong about "how" Max fell, but the fall to be still accidental. It was unwitnessed, so we will never know for sure how he fell.

But what Dina seems to be wrestling with, is that Gomez CAN be wrong, but that does not equal assault or homicide.

I also agree, Lash, that there was an awful lot of NON-scientific inferences and gigantic leaps of logic in Melinek's report. That would have been verbally shredded by attorneys if it had been submitted as evidence in court. For Dina to insist that all was "scientifically based", while paying an expert to look at People Magazine articles, a hate-filled, low class, internet comment board, and Wikipedia articles, is..... disingenuous at best. I hope someone comments about these sources in the Dr. Phil interview (but I doubt they will).

I think Dina's own expert, Melinek, actually hindered her case for reopening Max's death investigation. Dina and Melinek were so fixated on making it Rebecca's fault, and an assault, that they veered away from actual scientific analysis, imo. Melinek never should have even mentioned Rebecca's name in her report-- that was foolish, imo. Bove was far more ethical and professional, but he was only running the numbers for the scenarios presented to him by Dina and Melinek. IMO, he wasn't permitted/ encouraged/ paid to look at any other scenarios, from the tone and language of his report. IMO. He was directed to look at only specific things in his analysis, so it was far from unbiased.

It's time for journalists to start asking some hard questions about what Dina espouses publicly, imo.

Alessandra_Deux wrote:

Lash wrote:This part is rather interesting...just another misconception put forth by SDSO and CPD.

Snip - Additionally, Shacknai said, “It was disclosed by Commander Lawton of the COPD, that the diagram presented at the multi-agency press conference led by Sheriff William Gore on September 2, 2011, illustrating an inaccurate scaling of Max’s frame to that of the staircase railing was not prepared by Dr. Gomez, but by the San Diego County District Attorney’s Office.”

http://10newsblogs.com/pdf/shacknai_response_release_091012.pdf

The graphic illustration that Gore presented at the press conference to depict the manner in which Max allegedly fell from the guard rail on the second floor was a total joke, the scale was wrong, the center of gravity was wrong, everything was wrong!

Just like the Gore presentation of the rope-tying to reenact the tied ropes on Rebecca - the type rope was wrong, the size rope was wrong, etc.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1209/10/ddhln.01.html

DR. DREW - Show transcript

Aired September 10, 2012

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.


(Snip)
Now, you`ve seen Dina Shacknai on our show pleading for police to reinvestigate the death of her six-year-old son Max. He died at his father`s Coronado mansion. Dina is back with an exclusive update after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

DR. DREW: Dina Shacknai`s son Max died tragically after a fall at his father`s Coronado mansion. Dina is back with us with her attorney with an exclusive update. Before you say so, I would say you seem emotionally spent today. So do the best you can. Whatever you`ve got to tell us, we`re here to support you.

DINA SHACKNAI, SON DIED AT CORONADO MANSION: Thank you. Well, we`ve heard from the Coronado police department. They have elected not to reopen Max`s investigation.

DR. DREW: Did they acknowledge all the investigation and the forensic work you guys had done? Did they look at it even? Angela`s shaking her head no.

ANGELA HALLIER, ATTORNEY FOR DINA SHACKNAI: What we learned was as you know we had a biomechanical engineer and a medical examiner --

DR. DREW: Last time they were here they reviewed for us all this tremendous forensic work that suggested that this was not an accident or there were lots of missing pieces. And I`d hoped they`d look at that.

HALLIER: They did not have their biomechanical expert they contracted with when they did their initial investigation even look at our biomechanical engineer`s report, which played a critical part in the analysis. So they had no biomechanical expert on their team review our biomechanical work.

DR. DREW: I watched this one`s body react to that statement. She was literally like --

HALLIER: Right.

DR. DREW: You`re pissed.

SHACKNAI: I was shocked.

DR. DREW: Shocked, yes.

SHACKNAI: I couldn`t imagine that -- when we were debriefed by Dr. Jonathan Lucas about Max`s death, he cited Dr. Gomez`s report as the linchpin for his report on death. So for them not to even -- so for me not to -- for them not to include their own expert in a re-evaluation didn`t make any sense. They said that Dr. Lucas and the medical examiners round tabled this but there`s no one who is an expert.

DR. DREW: I`m going to ask you to dig deep. Mom, what have they done to you?

SHACKNAI: Well, I think that they made a commitment to -- I feel a disingenuous act and they really encourage us to present our information, fly our experts in and they would listen. There was nothing. We got a three line letter without even an explanation. With me they dismissed the importance of a life and their own accountability to citizens.

DR. DREW: As Max`s mom did you expect a phone call or something? I mean, they`re not heartless, I`m not accusing them of anything. But it`s like they`re saying move along.

SHACKNAI: That`s what it is. Saying thank you very much but we`re sticking with what we think in the first place. After nine months and after Max`s death and going through this every day to find out what happened to him, it was a three-line letter and a phone call from the commander --

DR. DREW: You did get a phone call?

SHACKNAI: I called him. I called him.

DR. DREW: And how`d that go?

SHACKNAI: Well, it was a long phone call. Because I was pretty upset about it. I learned on the phone call Dr. Gomez was not included. I also learned that the diagram -- I think you`ve seen that -- of that figure, that tall figure was prepared by somebody at the San Diego district attorney`s office. Prepared the independent expert`s work. Why? and the inaccuracies of the diagram are striking. The person is eight inches taller than Max.

DR. DREW: What do you want people viewing out there to know about what you`re going through?

SHACKNAI: I want people to know to please -- I want them to please contact their -- the sheriff`s department. Think about it in terms of this can happen to anyone.

DR. DREW: So this is as a mom you`re appealing to other moms.

SHACKNAI: To other moms, other dads. I`m saying this can happen to anyone. And none of us are immune. And we cannot ignore it.

DR. DREW: And you`re squeezing my hand very firmly, which I`m encouraging but is that anger or is that holding back emotion? What is that?

SHACKNAI: It`s frustration. And it`s incredulous they would dismiss it.

DR. DREW: It`s anger.

SHACKNAI: I`m angry and I`m frustrated and demoralized. I believed in a system, a system that failed me and failed max.

DR. DREW: Okay. Listen, I have to take a quick break. We`re going to take calls on this and we`ll hear more on this story. And how -- the topic today has been about kids and divorces and this is part of that story. I mean, your story is that too. And how to move on when there`s been a tragedy and you`re sharing custody of a child that things go poorly for. We`ll talk more about that after the break.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

DR. DREW: We have been discussing all show divorces and children caught in the crossfire. Now we`ve got Dina Shacknai`s tragic story. Joining us, TV`s divorce court judge Lynn Toler and Ramani Durvasula.

I`m so story about your loss. It`s nothing we can get our heads around. You have to remourn these losses. Does this get in the process of moving forward? Getting lost in the forensic data and details, how do you move forward from this? How do you move on? How are you going to do that?

SHACKNAI: That`s a great question. I think that it`s so important because Max will never come back.

DR. DREW: Right.

SHACKNAI: But through this, other children can be saved. And so with Maxy`s House, we are creating safety programs for children not only in Arizona but throughout the United States. So parents can proactively consider a safety plan for their child that can go along with a joint custody agreement. So we are creating some web interactive programs that it will be applicable in each state so parents don`t have to wait until after the fact. So that`s one of the things. And I know that Max would want -- if he were here he`d say mommy make sure you do the best you can to make sure this doesn`t happen to other kids.

DR. DREW: The other question is you`re doing so much for Max`s memory and you`re doing with so many difficult institutions. My concern is you taking care of you and being able to move forward. Again, you`re having to mourn multiple losses especially with how this investigation is ending now. That`s my concern for you. I know you are very wise and you know all of this better than just about anyone. But I want you to move forward from this. It`s been so many losses. You need to take care of you at this point.

SHACKNAI: I agree. I agree and I want to say that I think everybody has to look at themselves in the mirror every night and live are themselves. You have to make a choice about what you can live with. And you can either say I can go forward and I can help other kids. Or you say and for me, i`ve thought about it every -- so many moments. For me I couldn`t just step back and say I`m not going to think about this anymore. That I wouldn`t be able to live with.

DR. DREW: Judge Toler, I wanted to know your thoughts as well. I`m running out of time for this block, but your thoughts?

TOLER: I think that Ramani is right about the system. It`s a good one but it`s return by fallible people. It doesn`t make it right, but to have positive efforts towards helping people so they don`t have to get into it or having the positive plans is a good way to focus your energy when you can`t fix what you`re in.

DR: DREW: I have time to slip a call in here from Tammy from Tennessee. Tammy?

TAMMY, CALLER: Yes, Dr. Drew.

DR. DREW: Yes ma`am.

TAMMY: I was wondering is the investigation where she said that it was the bio --

DR. DREW: Biomechanical expert.

TAMMY: Right. Why can`t they do that?

DR. DREW: Right.

TAMMY: Actually do it?

DR. DREW: That`s the question we all sort of shake our heads and wonder. I mean, why not do something really careful with this? And Angela, you`re the attorney in this. Are you going to push on this?

HALLIER: Push with him or other ways? There`s other ways to go.

DR. DREW: Fair enough. I have a break here. Your calls up after the break.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

DR. DREW: Want to thank my excellent panel. It`s been a show where we`ve been discussing divorces, its consequences, getting tangled with exes, and the Shacknai story is an example of that. I`m anxious to hear what comes next. I know my viewers will watch carefully. We`re going to take a couple more calls. Jeannie in Michigan.

JEANNIE, CALLER: How are you?

DR. DREW: I`m great.

JEANNIE: I really want to tell Miss Shacknai how sorry I am. I`ve followed this case from the beginning. My heart goes out to her. I wonder how can they expect someone from this tragedy to move on so quickly? my husband passed away and he was not my child, but it took me a whole year just to realize he wasn`t coming home. And I have a son who happens to be a neurosurgeon patient. When I was reading about accidents I could picture being there. It is a horrible thing to go through. There are many times children have died. How can she move on quickly? can she go to the supreme court with this or higher court?

DR. DREW: I knew that`s how my viewers were thinking. Go further. Where do you go?

HALLIER: There`s other agencies that we can ask to review this. Because this wasn`t a court decision, there`s not an appellate process available, but there`s also a public interest, public pressure, political pressure and changing the laws in the future. So things like this doesn`t happen.

DR. DREW: Thank you for that call. Up next, who do I have up there? I don`t see a name yet. Kathryn, what do you got for me? Kathryn, are you there?

KATHRYN, CALLER: Yes.

DR. DREW: What you got?

KATHRYN: I`m wondering if Rebecca Zahau`s minor sister who was also in the house with Max and playing with him supposedly has been investigated for the death of Max.

DR. DREW: Would you like to address that?

HALLIER: From what we can tell, the police department never looked at this as a possible homicide. All their investigation was focused on was it being an accident and how the accident happened. She was interviewed. We`ve seen the transcript, but it does not appear she was interviewed with an eye towards someone did something to max.

DR. DREW: Lynn, you`re the one sort of off the set for us today. Do you have any final thoughts for us?

RALPH: I just want to point out something that her attorney said. You know, the great shadow power in the world is prosecutorial discretion. Whether or not we`re going to prove something. And I think people should be aware of through this case that that is very important. And public pressure and stuff does change that. And prosecutors and charging agencies have a lot of power. People should be knowledgeable about that.

DR. DREW: Very interesting. Guys, thank you. Thank you to Judge Toler. Thank you Ramani for joining me. Thank you ladies for keeping us updated. You see the interest people have for this. A note about tomorrow now. I am bringing back the special guest we had before. Her name is Liz Cy Velazquez. Internet bullies called her the ugliest woman in the world. She wants people to tweet what`s the horrible thing done with you. This woman brushes that all off. We`re going to talk about body image, how people get through this kind of bullying. Call us tomorrow. Thanks for watching. Nancy Grace is next.

END

Tamta wrote:http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Kamala-Harris-accused-of-withholding-vital-info-3186525.php

Kamala Harris accused of withholding vital info
Jaxon Van Derbeken, Chronicle Staff Writer

Published 4:00 a.m., Thursday, June 3, 2010

Can a leopard change its spots?
A person accustomed to manipulating information likely will not change her habits.
Has anyone encouraged this behavior?

KZ wrote:
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I agree. I also think that it is possible for Gomez to be wrong about "how" Max fell, but the fall to be still accidental. It was unwitnessed, so we will never know for sure how he fell.

But what Dina seems to be wrestling with, is that Gomez CAN be wrong, but that does not equal assault or homicide.

I also agree, Lash, that there was an awful lot of NON-scientific inferences and gigantic leaps of logic in Melinek's report. That would have been verbally shredded by attorneys if it had been submitted as evidence in court. For Dina to insist that all was "scientifically based", while paying an expert to look at People Magazine articles, a hate-filled, low class, internet comment board, and Wikipedia articles, is..... disingenuous at best. I hope someone comments about these sources in the Dr. Phil interview (but I doubt they will).

I think Dina's own expert, Melinek, actually hindered her case for reopening Max's death investigation. Dina and Melinek were so fixated on making it Rebecca's fault, and an assault, that they veered away from actual scientific analysis, imo. Melinek never should have even mentioned Rebecca's name in her report-- that was foolish, imo. Bove was far more ethical and professional, but he was only running the numbers for the scenarios presented to him by Dina and Melinek. IMO, he wasn't permitted/ encouraged/ paid to look at any other scenarios, from the tone and language of his report. IMO. He was directed to look at only specific things in his analysis, so it was far from unbiased.

It's time for journalists to start asking some hard questions about what Dina espouses publicly, imo.

Excellent commentary!