Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #12

CAN SOMEONE REPOST THE GANGNAM STYLE VID OF MARTINEZ PLEASE??

TIA!!

I am just watching some of the afternoon testimony that I missed earlier and observe that JA really has the evil eye going on today. Like big time. She isn't even really trying to hide it. She is staring down Juan. Esp during the "jealousy" segment. She's got some bad*ss evil stink eye. It's really quite unnerving.

Calypso wrote:CAN SOMEONE REPOST THE GANGNAM STYLE VID OF MARTINEZ PLEASE??

TIA!!

I can't post but would like to see it. Have a link?

Did they say "Sidebar" or "Salad Bar"....I think there's a hidden salad bar up there...you know...lookin at a few of them...LOL

Bo wrote:Did they say "Sidebar" or "Salad Bar"....I think there's a hidden salad bar up there...you know...lookin at a few of them...LOL

I have a question. Is ALV allowed to speak to jodi during the trial?

Pianist wrote:I have a question. Is ALV allowed to speak to jodi during the trial?

NO.

Freckles wrote:

Pianist wrote:I have a question. Is ALV allowed to speak to jodi during the trial?

NO.

Thanks, Freckles. I appreciate it.

I swear to god... the next time AL can't answer a simple yes or no question, then JM gets a free kick at AL's nutsack. AL looks like he's man enough for a bit of "Truth Or Roshambo". Loved his Jedi getup today . These are not the droids you're looking for, well um less Jabba gives me the signal. ...

April 9, 2013

Jodi Arias Trial - Day 43 - Part 1



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NSIB_bDCeCE


Jodi Arias Trial - Day 43 - Part 2



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt8SepGoED8


Jodi Arias Murder Trial Day 43. Afternoon Session. Part 1



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ay7_Y9Sox3c#!


Jodi Arias Murder Trial Day 43. Afternoon session Part 2



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R1crIXa8vUo

justanopinion wrote:wow I am aghast... thought she would take the Olive branch if Juan extended it.. thought she could save herself and her practice if she just ducked a little.. but Maybe the branch has to be bigger... before she gives up! He keeps giving her an out and she refuses to walk through that door.. very sad.. sucks to have principles that are misdirected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK-LOWBAy1g

Please take a look @ 53:10 - 53:37
Pause the vid and study the columns presented.
Stalking is in the far right column under Terrorism.
Alyce maintains stalking involves fear (53:37).
I find that definition troublesome.
Stalking COULD involve fear IF the person was aware of the stalking AND it was unwanted attention.

I am saying there have been many victims of stalking who did NOT know they were being stalked; they may not have even known the stalker. In some cases, gifts were given to the victim to falsify the intentions of the stalker so as to give the impression not so much as stalking but as attention.

Does this make sense?
Does a person have to be aware they are stalked in order to be stalked?
Does a person have to have fear to be stalked?
Does a person have to believe gifts are for attention rather than bait, ie candy to a child?

Curious as I find this statement of Alyce's rather problemsome.

Mylife101 wrote:OMG!!! How can anyone take issue with the way JM handles these DT witnesses? They are absolutely brutal with the evasive antics.

How about one of these remote control contraptions for DT witnesses that can't just answer the question as asked. Flores can be in charge of the remote.

Hi everyone, it's Wed. AM about 7 here. Didn't get to watch the afternoon session of cross yesterday, since it's on too late here in the east. I am looking for vids this morning. I just read the above and went into a reverie---remember the kid in 'A Christmas Story' daydreaming about a Red Rider?)
I had visions of Flores next to the witness stand with a cattle prod...Every time a witness didn't answer yes or no, disrespected the prosecutor, or went off on a sanctimonious tangent...ZAP!!!
Actually sitting here drinking my tea and smiling!

Well, off to find links to Juan's yesterday's cross after lunch...

BTW, My vote is NO---Jodi will NEVER plead for her life if she gets the DP. She will NEVER admit to this premed murder.

18thcenturylady wrote:

Mylife101 wrote:OMG!!! How can anyone take issue with the way JM handles these DT witnesses? They are absolutely brutal with the evasive antics.

How about one of these remote control contraptions for DT witnesses that can't just answer the question as asked. Flores can be in charge of the remote.

Hi everyone, it's Wed. AM about 7 here. Didn't get to watch the afternoon session of cross yesterday, since it's on too late here in the east. I am looking for vids this morning. I just read the above and went into a reverie---remember the kid in 'A Christmas Story' daydreaming about a Red Rider?)
I had visions of Flores next to the witness stand with a cattle prod...Every time a witness didn't answer yes or no, disrespected the prosecutor, or went off on a sanctimonious tangent...ZAP!!!
Actually sitting here drinking my tea and smiling!

Well, off to find links to Juan's yesterday's cross after lunch...

BTW, My vote is NO---Jodi will NEVER plead for her life if she gets the DP. She will NEVER admit to this premed murder.

had the same vision only judge was holding the prod...lol

I had posted the jibjab of Juan's gangnam style awhile back but tried to find it and can't... AL is going to need JM to extend a giant sequoias for her to get the clue... On Dr. D they said she isn't a typical 'expert' that she's holding up better then Dr. S but both fell for JA's crap...

Wow! Two days ago I was discussing with a friend the zapper concept for JA. Every time she makes a face, stares at the jury or Travis' family, or whispers, smiles, or touches her lawyer... ZAP! ZAP!

Happy Wednesday !! That's probably enough of a reason for the d team to file for mistrial ! Looking forward to the roasting on the stand today !

I hope JM picks up exactly on the JA stalking.

Last night on HLN they were saying how on cross there has been a buttload of questions put in the basket. Loni Coomes (former prosecutor) from Dr. D -
"COOMBS: Instead of saying, OK, I accept that as a possibility, she`s like what are you talking about? I don`t know that.

And that makes her become like Jodi`s protector in court rather than an objective expert at, you know, giving an opinion, which is what she`s supposed to be doing. And I bet you anything, one of those juror`s questions that are mounting in the basket will be Ms. Violet, is there any piece of evidence in the world that would get you to change your opinion to say that Jodi was a stalker."

18, the links to view yesterday's testimony was posted earlier up thread by Alessandra (thanks AD!)

I was asked a question yesterday that seems to apply here...

did Jodi fail society or did society fail Jodi?

AL seems to be from the "Nurture" camp in the age old "Nature vs Nurture" argument. As psychology is still in its infancy there is still some discussion and the lines are drawn for some people about whether people are born evil or made evil by what happens to them.

I believe that is the basis for all of the back history of some criminals when they are doing the sentencing phase. I for one would like to see that little controversy settled.

moo moo

Freckles wrote:

Pianist wrote:I have a question. Is ALV allowed to speak to jodi during the trial?

NO.

then how is it possible that the DP person was able to pass a message to her? without anyone questioning it??

From The Burning Bed to Jodi Arias: The Abuse Defense Gone Wrong
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" . She never lived with him and she had her own job and income and transportation and even boyfriends.

Yet she telephoned Mr. Alexander incessantly, monitored his comings and goings, and peeked through his windows. She slashed his tires and those of a woman he was dating. She hacked his MySpace and email accounts. And she is believed to have sent threatening letters to a woman he was dating. He was, by all accounts, fed up with her behavior and wanted her out of his life, and rejoiced when she moved back to California.

After learning he was taking another woman to Cancun, Arias made one last trip to his home, telling no one where she was going, renting a car in a distant town, dying her hair after leaving home from blonde to brunette, borrowing gas cans and filling them up with gas when she approached the Arizona border (paying cash), and arriving at his home in the middle of the night for a final sexual adventure. (While two weeks prior, a gun matching the caliber used to shoot Mr. Alexander was inexplicably stolen from her grandparents' home while she was staying there, cash and other guns left untouched.)"

" If any man had acted in the same way with a woman he then killed violently, there would be no dispute that he was stalking her, and that she was a victim of a pathological abuser and premeditated killer. ..."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janice-harper/the-burning-bed_b_2981003.html?utm_hp_ref=tw&fb_source=message&utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false

Bmore wrote:I hope JM picks up exactly on the JA stalking.

Unresolved issues:
-the 600 pages of journals and I am NOT buying the book!
-the stalking issue
-the "manifesto".... said with a giggle from me! as in, sure, right... whatever!

-the rest of Snow White! I want Juan to delve deeper into the storyline and watch Alyce squirm...

I meant this morning to pick up where he left off... sometimes he shifts gears...

If the shoe fits Alyce, JA, or anyone else in this case, then wear it and wear it well:

" As Judge Judy once said, ''you just lied, therefore Im not inclined to believe anything else you say, including ''the sky is blue.'' "

Bmore wrote:I meant this morning to pick up where he left off... sometimes he shifts gears...

and I imagine he will NOT pick up where we left off..it's his MO and I gotta say I think it's a good one..keeps em flustered

Nature vs nurture... I believe you can be born bad and your environment can make or break you... You can be taught boundries and self control and find a different way to express whatever you need to or you can be left to your own devices and run amuck in society... I think it's important to note that JA's parents and friends knew there was an issue and professional help wasn't sought... Could have made a difference... I believe it's both, look at twins that were seperated as babies and grow up a town apart and they're almost exactly the same but grew up differently that's the nature that has determined that and how their environment/nuture would help determine how they handle themselves. I find it interesting that when JA's parents found the pot and turned her into the police to learn a lesson she stopped trusting them and started being secretive and lying... instead of learning from the once incident she became defiant and never forgave them for doing that to her... funny is they thru her under the bus again with TA because they knew she did it...

FB just reminded me... Dr. D will have on professional lip readers tonight so see what the dteam is saying...

IMO, it is a combination of nature/nurture.
Some of what JA is she was born with; some she acquired for her own sense of self survival. And she is most adept at her the skills of lying, charming... she is a conniver by nature, imo.

JA does have skills and abilities. What she misses, however, is respecting the rights of others and establishing boundaries for herself, ie, not letting others push her around she has learned but she has NOT learned others have the same rights.

I was watching the tail end of yesterday's trial. JA freely puts her hand on Wilmot's arm/shoulder and Wilmot does the same with JA. JA stands inside the comfort zone of Wilmot repeatedly. I find that eerie and so wrong. JA whispers in court, stares at the jury and Travis' family, mouths almost constantly to Wilmot... there are no boundaries she seems to respect.

Bmore wrote:FB just reminded me... Dr. D will have on professional lip readers tonight so see what the dteam is saying...

On Dr.D last night they showed a clip of JA yesterday when she rolled her eyes (big roll) at what JM was saying and then mouthed "sustained"... Just reading the transcripts and it was when they were talking about the orgasms on the sex tape... I'll see if i can find the clip...

i'm big on the 2 feet of personal space bubble around me, I don't like space invaders... and don't hang over my shoulder because that wigs me out so bad, i can't even stand my kids to do it I hate it that much, makes me sooo uncomfortable...

they already had it cued up...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_UWGptuFDw

from FB....

Lady said that TA brought Napoleon with him to Starbucks the time he met with JA. So was she giving him head in front of the dog? Does anyone else remember the dog being there? I worked with a guy that had a new dog from a shelter and the kids were gone so they threw down real quick and the new dog tried to attack him thinking he was hurting her... lol... other stories I've heard were the animal getting in the way, the stare down, etc... I personally wouldn't be able to do anything like that in front of my pets because I wouldn't want them to see me doing that, like my kids... lol

Calypso wrote:CAN SOMEONE REPOST THE GANGNAM STYLE VID OF MARTINEZ PLEASE??

TIA!!

I have tried to find this again and post it, but I can't find it anymore. It just isn't coming up anymore...

18 your husband is good with photoshop... have him cut out JM's head and go to jibjab.com and look up gangnam style and make your own... they just need a head cut out to make it...

I have just finished watching yesterday afternoon's cross. I feel exhausted, and I can only imagine what Juan feels! By that I mean for me it is SO exhausting and frustrating watching this woman with her constant evasiveness, downright disrespect, etc.
Could hardly believe the "time out" comment.
Juan getting to the stalking, and about how it is JODI WHO IS A STALKER, not Travis, and still this woman will not accept or admit that! Only consolation is that I feel the jury can see this too.
Couldn't believe at the end when AL is confronted with Travis' words saying he is afraid of Jodi and her escalating stalking, and she basically calls him a liar! OMG!
Manhater? (Ya think!?)
I just cannot stand this woman. She makes you either want to smack her or get out of her presence! IMO she is also coming across as just as much of an inept buffoon as Samuels, also refusing to accept that the evidence all points to JODI AS THE ABUSER!

Freckles wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK-LOWBAy1g

Please take a look @ 53:10 - 53:37
Pause the vid and study the columns presented.
Stalking is in the far right column under Terrorism.
Alyce maintains stalking involves fear (53:37).
I find that definition troublesome.
Stalking COULD involve fear IF the person was aware of the stalking AND it was unwanted attention.

I am saying there have been many victims of stalking who did NOT know they were being stalked; they may not have even known the stalker. In some cases, gifts were given to the victim to falsify the intentions of the stalker so as to give the impression not so much as stalking but as attention.

Does this make sense?
Does a person have to be aware they are stalked in order to be stalked?
Does a person have to have fear to be stalked?
Does a person have to believe gifts are for attention rather than bait, ie candy to a child?

Curious as I find this statement of Alyce's rather problemsome.

Also, think of it...Sometimes when someone is BEING stalked they react (at least at first) with indignance and ANGER! ("He (she) is not going to get away with doing this to me!! I'll show them! I'll go to the police! I'll tell my friends! I'll confront them!")----Many different feelings. I know I was stalked once and yes, after a time I had fear, but my first thoughts and actions were outrage, and a desire to STOP this person and protect myself. I wrote down EVERY instance, sent copies to our local police, and ultimately went to court where I confronted the creep.
I would also think that more innocuous the stalking the less actual fear and more annoyance a person would have. (Someone leaving something on your doorstep might annoy you, but if you found that they had slashed all your tires, you might have more fear).
For this idiot, AL to disrespect Travis, and what he told another person in an email that he didn't know anyone else would see, about Jodi, makes her look like the biased, two-faced, irresponsible, man-hating, ignoramus she is!

Freckles wrote:From The Burning Bed to Jodi Arias: The Abuse Defense Gone Wrong
clipped-

" . She never lived with him and she had her own job and income and transportation and even boyfriends.

Yet she telephoned Mr. Alexander incessantly, monitored his comings and goings, and peeked through his windows. She slashed his tires and those of a woman he was dating. She hacked his MySpace and email accounts. And she is believed to have sent threatening letters to a woman he was dating. He was, by all accounts, fed up with her behavior and wanted her out of his life, and rejoiced when she moved back to California.

After learning he was taking another woman to Cancun, Arias made one last trip to his home, telling no one where she was going, renting a car in a distant town, dying her hair after leaving home from blonde to brunette, borrowing gas cans and filling them up with gas when she approached the Arizona border (paying cash), and arriving at his home in the middle of the night for a final sexual adventure. (While two weeks prior, a gun matching the caliber used to shoot Mr. Alexander was inexplicably stolen from her grandparents' home while she was staying there, cash and other guns left untouched.)"

" If any man had acted in the same way with a woman he then killed violently, there would be no dispute that he was stalking her, and that she was a victim of a pathological abuser and premeditated killer. ..."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/janice-harper/the-burning-bed_b_2981003.html?utm_hp_ref=tw&fb_source=message&utm_hp_ref=fb&src=sp&comm_ref=false

This is exactly what I said months ago! If this were a man on trial and the circumstances the same, this would be OVER now, and the guy would be sitting on death row!

justanopinion wrote:I was asked a question yesterday that seems to apply here...

did Jodi fail society or did society fail Jodi?

AL seems to be from the "Nurture" camp in the age old "Nature vs Nurture" argument. As psychology is still in its infancy there is still some discussion and the lines are drawn for some people about whether people are born evil or made evil by what happens to them.

I believe that is the basis for all of the back history of some criminals when they are doing the sentencing phase. I for one would like to see that little controversy settled.

moo moo

It it so interesting to read your post on this. I was talking with my mother this morning about the case. (I should add that although I never took it any further than college, I was a PSY/Behavioral Sciences major.) Anyhow, we were saying that even if ALV wanted to take the case for what I feel are not ethical reasons, the money; she could have gone with the theme of, "Yes, Jodi is a notorious liar, manipulator, and stalker, it was only due to her up bringing ie Nurture." She would have sounded more credible, not dancing around the glaring facts and might have elicited sympathy from the jury.

***I do not agree with that theme, just saying it would be a way to accomplish her goals without ruining her career.

I think when you avoid something and try and pretend it's not there when it's the elephant in the room you're just fooling yourself. If you know there is an outward flaw or defect you need to own it, be confident and acknowledge. Everyone else already knows... After you own it maybe then you can try and dress it up or excuse it but pretending it's not there when it's an in your face fact... c'mon....

Junebug wrote:

justanopinion wrote:I was asked a question yesterday that seems to apply here...

did Jodi fail society or did society fail Jodi?

AL seems to be from the "Nurture" camp in the age old "Nature vs Nurture" argument. As psychology is still in its infancy there is still some discussion and the lines are drawn for some people about whether people are born evil or made evil by what happens to them.

I believe that is the basis for all of the back history of some criminals when they are doing the sentencing phase. I for one would like to see that little controversy settled.

moo moo

It it so interesting to read your post on this. I was talking with my mother this morning about the case. (I should add that although I never took it any further than college, I was a PSY/Behavioral Sciences major.) Anyhow, we were saying that even if ALV wanted to take the case for what I feel are not ethical reasons, the money; she could have gone with the theme of, "Yes, Jodi is a notorious liar, manipulator, and stalker, it was only due to her up bringing ie Nurture." She would have sounded more credible, not dancing around the glaring facts and might have elicited sympathy from the jury.

***I do not agree with that theme, just saying it would be a way to accomplish her goals without ruining her career.

I do not agree with it either however, AL could save herself and still paint a sympathetic picture of Hodi if she did do as you say... with any luck she is not reading this and then use that tactic. I don't mind if the bus runs them both over at this point.. As many other posters have said... if this had been a man this case would be done now... but at this point AL has buttered her bread and now she can sleep on it... (mixed metaphor but appropriate)

18thcenturylady wrote:

Freckles wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK-LOWBAy1g

Please take a look @ 53:10 - 53:37
Pause the vid and study the columns presented.
Stalking is in the far right column under Terrorism.
Alyce maintains stalking involves fear (53:37).
I find that definition troublesome.
Stalking COULD involve fear IF the person was aware of the stalking AND it was unwanted attention.

I am saying there have been many victims of stalking who did NOT know they were being stalked; they may not have even known the stalker. In some cases, gifts were given to the victim to falsify the intentions of the stalker so as to give the impression not so much as stalking but as attention.

Does this make sense?
Does a person have to be aware they are stalked in order to be stalked?
Does a person have to have fear to be stalked?
Does a person have to believe gifts are for attention rather than bait, ie candy to a child?

Curious as I find this statement of Alyce's rather problemsome.

Also, think of it...Sometimes when someone is BEING stalked they react (at least at first) with indignance and ANGER! ("He (she) is not going to get away with doing this to me!! I'll show them! I'll go to the police! I'll tell my friends! I'll confront them!")----Many different feelings. I know I was stalked once and yes, after a time I had fear, but my first thoughts and actions were outrage, and a desire to STOP this person and protect myself. I wrote down EVERY instance, sent copies to our local police, and ultimately went to court where I confronted the creep.
I would also think that more innocuous the stalking the less actual fear and more annoyance a person would have. (Someone leaving something on your doorstep might annoy you, but if you found that they had slashed all your tires, you might have more fear).
For this idiot, AL to disrespect Travis, and what he told another person in an email that he didn't know anyone else would see, about Jodi, makes her look like the biased, two-faced, irresponsible, man-hating, ignoramus she is!

18th front page as usual with your comments!

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking

Types of stalkers
Psychologists often group individuals who stalk into two categories: psychotic and nonpsychotic.[15] Stalkers may have pre-existing psychotic disorders such as delusional disorder, schizoaffective disorder, or schizophrenia. Most stalkers are nonpsychotic and may exhibit disorders or neuroses such as major depression, adjustment disorder, or substance dependence, as well as a variety of Axis II personality disorders (such as antisocial, borderline, dependent, narcissistic, or paranoid). Some of the symptoms of "obsessing" over a person is part of obsessive compulsive personality disorder. The nonpsychotic stalkers' pursuit of victims can be influenced by various psychological factors, including anger, hostility, projection of blame, obsession, dependency, minimization, denial, and jealousy. Conversely, as is more commonly the case, the stalker has no antipathic feelings towards the victim, but simply a longing that cannot be fulfilled due to deficiencies either in their personality or their society's norms.[16]
In "A Study of Stalkers" Mullen et al.. (2000)[17] identified five types of stalkers:
Rejected stalkers pursue their victims in order to reverse, correct, or avenge a rejection (e.g. divorce, separation, termination).
Resentful stalkers pursue a vendetta because of a sense of grievance against the victims – motivated mainly by the desire to frighten and distress the victim.
Intimacy seekers seek to establish an intimate, loving relationship with their victim. To many of them the victim is a long-sought-after soul mate, and they were 'meant' to be together.
Incompetent suitors, despite poor social or courting skills, have a fixation, or in some cases, a sense of entitlement to an intimate relationship with those who have attracted their amorous interest. Their victims are most often already in a dating relationship with someone else.
Predatory stalkers spy on the victim in order to prepare and plan an attack – often sexual – on the victim.
The 2002 National Victim Association Academy defines an additional form of stalking: The vengeance/terrorist stalker. Both the vengeance stalker and terrorist stalker (the latter sometimes called the political stalker) do not, in contrast with some of the aforementioned types of stalkers, seek a personal relationship with their victims but rather force them to emit a certain response favourable to the stalker. While the vengeance stalker's motive is "to get even" with the other person whom he/she perceives has done some wrong to them (e.g., an employee who believes is fired without justification from their job by their superior), the political stalker intends to accomplish a political agenda, also using threats and intimidation to force his/her target to refrain and/or become involved in some particular activity, regardless of the victim’s consent.[18]
Many stalkers[quantify] fit categories with paranoia disorders. Intimacy-seeking stalkers often have delusional disorders involving erotomanic delusions. With rejected stalkers, the continual clinging to a relationship of an inadequate or dependent person couples with the entitlement of the narcissistic personality, and the persistent jealousy of the paranoid personality. In contrast, resentful stalkers demonstrate an almost “pure culture of persecution,” with delusional disorders of the paranoid type, paranoid personalities, and paranoid schizophrenia.[17]
One of the uncertainties in understanding the origins of stalking is that the concept is now widely understood in terms of specific behaviors[19] which are found to be offensive and/or illegal. As discussed above, these specific (apparently stalking) behaviors may have multiple motivations.
In addition, the personality characteristics that are often discussed as antecedent to stalking may also produce behavior that is not stalking as conventionally defined. Some research suggests there is a spectrum of what might be called "obsessed following behavior." People who complain obsessively and for years, about a perceived wrong or wrong-doer, when no one else can perceive the injury—and people who cannot or will not "let go" of a person or a place or an idea—comprise a wider group of persons that may be problematic in ways that seem similar to stalking. Some of these people get extruded from their organizations—they may get hospitalized or fired or let go if their behavior is defined in terms of illegal stalking, but many others do good or even excellent work in their organizations and appear to have just one focus of tenacious obsession.[20]

Bmore wrote:I hope JM picks up exactly on the JA stalking.

I've been thinking about the Continuum. Yesterday, Juan entered into evidence a "clearer" version of it using just the "up and down things" (lol) and the content or bullet points under each column. ALV agreed to it with a qualifier!! i.e., no exacerbating factors.

I think this was a tactical move on his part as he continues down the Jodi is a stalker analysis. For example, when he attempts to identify the traits Jodi exhibits and fit them into the terrorism column, she will argue and say she does not use the Continuum to diagnose. And Juan will say, this is not your continuum. I am simply using the characteristics and traits identified in these "up and down things" to see where Jodi's behavior lands her.

Am I making sense??

Behaviours that might be acceptable in a consensual, loving relationship may become stalking when one person wishes to end the relationship and the other does not. For example, frequent phone calls, visits or email could be considered elements of stalking when the recipient considers these contacts unwelcome and unwanted.

http://www.ubc.ca/okanagan/equity/discrimination/criminal.html

from FB...

At the 20:00 mark she talks about how they knelt on the floor beside his bed and prayed... could this be where the "fight" by his bed came from?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE_Ue5rF8QM

Weeziethm wrote:

Bmore wrote:I hope JM picks up exactly on the JA stalking.

I've been thinking about the Continuum. Yesterday, Juan entered into evidence a "clearer" version of it using just the "up and down things" (lol) and the content or bullet points under each column. ALV agreed to it with a qualifier!! i.e., no exacerbating factors.

I think this was a tactical move on his part as he continues down the Jodi is a stalker analysis. For example, when he attempts to identify the traits Jodi exhibits and fit them into the terrorism column, she will argue and say she does not use the Continuum to diagnose. And Juan will say, this is not your continuum. I am simply using the characteristics and traits identified in these "up and down things" to see where Jodi's behavior lands her.

Am I making sense??

I wish that he would do another one then ... with Jodi's traits in it and admit that into evidence!!

One thing I could not stand during the cross is Jodi. The camera is always on her. I am sick to death of her smiling, smirking, whispering to JW, and then both of them smiling, and Jodi generally acting like she's an attorney!
I finally had to just close my eyes and listen to Juan, as I had had enough.
She is so offensive. ALL of the DT is, but Jodi shows no propriety or understanding of what this trial is about.

Interesting bit---I did notice during the last section of cross yesterday afternoon, when Juan was talking about Jodi's jealousy/stalking---I think it was about at the part re Matt. Her nose got very red. I saw it immediately. Wonder what that is all about.
Don't think she likes to have that ugly red nose rubbed in the fact that she was jealous and Travis "WAS TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM HER"!