Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #14

broken down and had to pee there... there was a reason it was against my better judgment, someone blew it up prior to me... O-well... i'm home now and nothing is happening... do we know anything?

Pianist wrote:

Mari 68 wrote:SUSPECT IN CUSTODY

SAUDI NATIONAL

Mari, I have been listening and have not heard this. Where did you find it?

As per Edward Davis, the Boston Police Commissioner, there is no one in custody. He just said the rumors are not true.

bet JA is pissed something has trumped her on the news...

Is the jury waiting in the jury room all of this time. They must be so pissed, another wasted day.

Alessandra_Deux wrote:

Pianist wrote:

Mari, I have been listening and have not heard this. Where did you find it?

As per Edward Davis, the Boston Police Commissioner, there is no one in custody. He just said the rumors are not true.

Interesting. Well, I'm still reading it all over multiple news sites.

Its like that school shooting - news stating there was another suspect running in the woods, guns were in the car, then guns were on the person, etc.

We were all commenting here at the office at how FAST they got the perp. I'm even reading they have surveillance footage of the person who was carrying what looked to be TWO back-packs.

And that the suspect is IN the hospital now with shrapnel. LOL

Some rumor!

yellow bike wrote:Is the jury waiting in the jury room all of this time. They must be so pissed, another wasted day.

I think they are in the jury room. Seems to be the eye-ball guy they are talking to - this is what is taking so long.

Bmore wrote:bet JA is pissed something has trumped her on the news...

She's been trumped on HLN even. Wonder what Jodi will tweet tonight?

We're up!

OMG!!!!!!!

you know... KN reads a lot on social media and a ton of people were saying wonder if they blew up the eye reflection, i'd really want to see that... It'll show her, etc.etc.... well he did and didn't come up with anything more then other people on the net did...

OK... Judge just said the parties came up with a stipulation that JA wasn't holding a gun or knife in the scared TA shower picture...

from 18thcenturylady: WHOAAAAA! HEY! IF YOU READ MY POST, I DID NOT SAY ANY OF THIS! WHAT WAS IN RED WAS A DIRECT QUOTE FROM CHRIS STARK'S TWITTERMORE PAGE, AND I CLEARLY STATED THAT. I ALSO GAVE THE LINK FOR IT. I CONFESS THAT RIGHT NOW I AM QUITE UPSET.[/quote]




Hi 18thcenturylady!!! Just wanted to say after a quick read of today's thread: THANKS TO YOU! I have been completely befuddled as to wth is the real backstory behind the whole Chris & Sky Hughes e-mails to & from TA, especially as presented by the dteam. Even when my brain gives the dteam the benefit of the doubt (every brain needs a lil' workout now & then, no?), their version is just OFF (insert understatement emoticon here)...so your complete post today was very enlightening. I already spend WAAAAAAY too much valuable time thinking 'bout and researching this trial, so THANK GOODNESS FOR YOU!!!

Now the whole exchange has at least a backbone to comprehend. It sure would be nice to hear about in rebuttal, 'cause the jury too must be kinda wonderin' 'bout that tidbit just dangling in the wind all by it's lonesome...the info you provided makes common sense, and then effectively NEGATES the non-sensical version put forth by JA et al...

At times I worry that just that Hughes-TA e-mail exchange might be enough to give 'reasonable doubt' to one that is on a search and destroy mission for an excuse, a la ALV/DickyDuck...the Hughes words left alone have been left wide open for twisting however the listener sees fit. SPOOKYSCARY

As for what looks like a big fat misunderstanding amongst buddies, I hope all is now well. Imo these threads move so fast at times, it's easy to see how easily posts can be easily misconstrued...it sucks to feel misunderstood, and I reallyreallyREALLY hope both you and Freckles are back to normal...'cause...YOU BOTH ARE AWESOME AND I ALWAYS LOOK SO VERY FORWARD TO YOUR THOUGHTS/LINKS/PERSPECTIVES!!!

she was not holding it in her hands when photo was taken... but there is a white burst next to where her face would be... what if she was holding it in her mouth and that's the flash reflecting off of it? jk... lol

Bmore wrote:broken down and had to pee there... there was a reason it was against my better judgment, someone blew it up prior to me... O-well... i'm home now and nothing is happening... do we know anything?

I was really pullin' for you that wouldn't be the case. What a crappy day huh? Figures....

exactly... I walked in and said WTH? HLN Holly was saying she can't believe JM agreed to this and the Dt sees this as a huge win...

Bmore wrote:she was not holding it in her hands when photo was taken... but there is a white burst next to where her face would be... what if she was holding it in her mouth and that's the flash reflecting off of it? jk... lol

Hey all! Missed the eyeball guy this am...but the white burst, isn't it obvious this pic was taken with flash? (Jmoo, but I spent way too much time detailing all those pics, with time between pics etc...to see if he was sitting/standing etc...was kinda tryin' to see how it unfolded, as we all know she was sayin' somethin' to him during the sick twisted plot...she musta been directing him as to what 'looks' she was tryin' to capture...the whole time just bidin' her time as for when to strike (imo)...so...

...It just always bugged me that close up of his face is SO BRIGHT compared to every single other pic taken...the only one in sharp focus, close, like she was savoring that one 'LAST' image she'd control of him...jmo...and he is seated...so...

Was there any talk about any of this, or was it all eyeball reflections? What was the dteam point with eyeball guy? Since JM agreed to this stipulation, what are y'all thinkin'? Imo maybe JM is just tryin' to save us all from 2 more weeks of bs testimony about nuttin'...but I didn't see any of it this am, so if I'm way off here, someone lemme know (please!)...Muchas gracias!

Bmore wrote:exactly... I walked in and said WTH? HLN Holly was saying she can't believe JM agreed to this and the Dt sees this as a huge win...

Why were they all smirkysmilin'? JA & JW that is...

keikikiki wrote:

Bmore wrote:she was not holding it in her hands when photo was taken... but there is a white burst next to where her face would be... what if she was holding it in her mouth and that's the flash reflecting off of it? jk... lol

Hey all! Missed the eyeball guy this am...but the white burst, isn't it obvious this pic was taken with flash? (Jmoo, but I spent way too much time detailing all those pics, with time between pics etc...to see if he was sitting/standing etc...was kinda tryin' to see how it unfolded, as we all know she was sayin' somethin' to him during the sick twisted plot...she musta been directing him as to what 'looks' she was tryin' to capture...the whole time just bidin' her time as for when to strike (imo)...so...

...It just always bugged me that close up of his face is SO BRIGHT compared to every single other pic taken...the only one in sharp focus, close, like she was savoring that one 'LAST' image she'd control of him...jmo...and he is seated...so...

Was there any talk about any of this, or was it all eyeball reflections? What was the dteam point with eyeball guy? Since JM agreed to this stipulation, what are y'all thinkin'? Imo maybe JM is just tryin' to save us all from 2 more weeks of bs testimony about nuttin'...but I didn't see any of it this am, so if I'm way off here, someone lemme know (please!)...Muchas gracias!

JM doesn't do anything without a reason, I trust he knows best. All he says is that JA didn't have a weapon at the time of THAT pic. The next pic was of him seated 1:10sec later, plenty of time for "let me get a towel out of the closet".

the eye guy enlarged and processed the reflection and on his equipment it looked good but the equipment in the court not so much... so on one of his enlargements he traced an outline of what is JA snapping the pic. He said the camera is held at boob level and within a few feet of TA... In his trace he has her legs as if she was standing. Take the trace away and there is just a flash. JM argued ask 10 people what the enlarged pic is without the trace and you'll get 10 different answers, he said with the trace it looks like a dog... they let the pic in with the stipulation that "JA wasn't holding a gun or knife in her hands at the time of the photo" which supports the Dt's story but... the pic shows JA standing when she testified she was squatting and he picked her up and body slammed her... my thought is it was in her mouth because in the enlargement it shows the camera flash but next to it the eye guy said the white blob next to it is her face and hair... what if it's the flash/reflection of the knife in her mouth? I think at first she might have had it either in her pocket or the back of her pants in her waistband and then pulled it out and put it in her mouth to have I available, thus showing the scared look on his face and freeing up the hand to open the shower door... just a thought...

Defense takes closer look at shower pic

By Amanda Sloane
updated 6:33 PM EDT, Mon April 15, 2013



~Snipped~

Read below for minute-by-minute updates from the trial. (Best read from the bottom up):

6:15 p.m. ET: The judge thanks everyone for their patience. She says the defense and prosecution have reached the following stipulation or agreement:

"Ms. Arias was not holding a knife or gun in her hands when exhibit 159 was taken… That photograph was taken on June 4, 2008 at 5:29:20." She's referring to the photo of Alexander in the shower.

Court has been recessed for the day. Testimony will resume Tuesday at 12:30 p.m. ET.

Read more:

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/04/15/jodi-arias-trial-live-blog-defense-wrap

did they actually show the jury the outline picture or the pic of his face?

Bmore wrote:the eye guy enlarged and processed the reflection and on his equipment it looked good but the equipment in the court not so much... so on one of his enlargements he traced an outline of what is JA snapping the pic. He said the camera is held at boob level and within a few feet of TA... In his trace he has her legs as if she was standing. Take the trace away and there is just a flash. JM argued ask 10 people what the enlarged pic is without the trace and you'll get 10 different answers, he said with the trace it looks like a dog... they let the pic in with the stipulation that "JA wasn't holding a gun or knife in her hands at the time of the photo" which supports the Dt's story but... the pic shows JA standing when she testified she was squatting and he picked her up and body slammed her... my thought is it was in her mouth because in the enlargement it shows the camera flash but next to it the eye guy said the white blob next to it is her face and hair... what if it's the flash/reflection of the knife in her mouth? I think at first she might have had it either in her pocket or the back of her pants in her waistband and then pulled it out and put it in her mouth to have I available, thus showing the scared look on his face and freeing up the hand to open the shower door... just a thought...

Well didn't Juan say he saw a dog with a stick in its mouth??

interesting... on inside edition he asked what happened to TA? she said "in a nutshell"... but on the stand she said "the simple answer is" how do you start off talking about the death of someone you were intimate with? never the less you killed...

why yes weezie he did... lol

I agree with auman and JM does everything for a reason...

April 15, 2013

Jodi Arias Murder Trial Day 47. Full Morning Session Includes All Hearings



https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dV26GghXbLI


Jodi Arias Murder Trail Day 47. No more court for today. Resumes tomorrow 9:30am



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqb6uAcqbBw&feature=youtu.be

funny thing is that most of the people that made their own blow up of the reflection all thought that she had a weapon on her person...

Bmore wrote:why yes weezie he did... lol

I agree with auman and JM does everything for a reason...

Yup. The stipulation says "in her hand(s)". Very specific. And another 1 minute 10 seconds to the next shot (iirc). That is a fair amount of time to grab and stab, iykwim. He would never have stipulated if he did not have it all lined out in his mind on how to present to the jury. JM now has rebuttal. I heard 7 days of rebuttal. Scorched Earth on JA's a** at this point. JM will wrap this up; I think he is that "over it"

Oh I think so too (JM knows wth he's doin 100%)...Ok thanks...

I was just wondering if it was all eyeball talk this am- or if there was any discussion of TA's position in the shower (what I got from chatter here is that JA's position was speculated upon in court, not TA's)...'cause what is apparent (from my research that is- I'll be happy to share if anyone wants- some other time) is that TA went from standing to seated one shot before the one discussed re eyeballs today...the pic just prior to the bright close-up face shot is very similar but is much darker & not as focused- this prior shot was the first one TA was seated)...and the one without his head just after, TA's obviously still seated, arms in similar position (I would not be surprised to learn the dark reddish fold in his thigh is blood, his arms are in a similar position as the two face shots, but could also be trying to protect his chest/head above what we can see of his bottom half, and that this first 'inadvertent' pic as JA claims was in fact the first completely inadvertent one, taken by her just after striking/stunning TA as she steps back away in the adrenaline rush)...

Just seems like too big of a(nother) JA coinikidink that the first inadvertent photo is much farther away and obviously from a higher position than the now infamous face shot, the first one with a big bright flash obvious to the naked eye, let alone reflected in TA's eyeball. My hunch is that JM knows what I'm trying so hard to express here, and that he's confident that today's stipulation takes nothing away from the big picture story...that what some eyeball expert shows what might/might not be reflected in TA's eyeball (thanks dteam- just more SUBJECTIVE, speculative distractions to obfuscate the jury with!
Nice try!)

All that to say it didn't take much effort to see that she had him sit down and had reason to get close in for that one bright, focused face shot. Every single other pic is lame...dark, not focused especially well...seems like the one in question today is the only one she really put thought into getting just right. And if her excuse generally is that TA wanted some cool pics, every other one is super crappy (imo) for a self-described (JA) photographer/artist. When all 20 or so pics are viewed in order, with time between poses & shots w/time stamps, it becomes obvious that she waited to get TA into the (imo, very PREMEDITATED) extremely vulnerable seated position...Who isn't relaxed and unsuspecting after ten minutes in a hot shower???...Kinda light headed, and together with being seated becomes even more vulnerable...JA then must've been (as she stated herself numerous times) crouched down and close to him (also, as an aside, the camera woulda been closer to the ground if it did 'fall like a football as JA claims, not from standing height, so really? TA woulda freaked 'bout a 2 foot drop? whatev)...FLASH!!! Bright, focused pic, then imo she struck...all combined, she had him just how she planned, totally disarmed & unsuspecting.

I just hope that whatever the final argument is, that the photos are used to show what's obvious upon closer examination...that these pics show an even more cold-blooded, cruel, pre-meditated, heartless, unnecessary slaughter of a trusting victim. Disgusting.

So that's my two cent's (okayokay y'all sayin' , two hundred cents- sorreeeeey!)

Yeah, I completely trust JM & all of his decisions (until/unless he proves otherwise, all JM critics/haters out there!)...JM is indeed an artist...I hope my sense is correct, that JM agreed to this stipulation at least in part 'cause he knows how to tell the real story based on EVIDENCE and these photos! Go Juan!

I was thinking about this the other night when I couldn't sleep... gauging TA's head height when in the linebacker pose and the height JA had the gun. they weren't to much different in height so for her hands to be out right as she shown at a right angle to her body and for his head height when he would have been bent at the waist I still don't think even with his head turned she can make the trajectory to line up...

Thanks Bmore & all for the update!

So...looking at the close up eyeball guy...I just don't get it...I see a big white blob, which YEAH! Looks like a flash to me...And yeah, I saw that without the eyeball expert blowing it up...all I see, even with that goofy outline, is a flash. Do you all really see anything about her standing/sitting/whatev? Please tell me I don't need to watch this dribble on youtube tonight.

people on fb were saying that with the stipulation the expert doesn't have to testify since JM agreed that it wasn't in her hands... so they should rest tomorrow... when will we find out what was up with AL?

I don't see it but eye guys argument was his equipment shows it...

JM probably didn't want to lose anymore jurors due to uncontrollable laughter.

auman58 wrote:JM probably didn't want to lose anymore jurors due to uncontrollable laughter.

I think this about let's argue about what is important. JM will not want to win the battle he wants to win the war. Is it important if she had something in her hand in this picture? We know she had two weapons in her hand at some point!!!! I personally don't care when I care that she horrifically murdered ( not killed) this young man. Let's trust JM

Pianist wrote:

auman58 wrote:JM probably didn't want to lose anymore jurors due to uncontrollable laughter.

I think this about let's argue about what is important. JM will not want to win the battle he wants to win the war. Is it important if she had something in her hand in this picture? We know she had two weapons in her hand at some point!!!! I personally don't care when I care that she horrifically murdered ( not killed) this young man. Let's trust JM

Yes, pianist. Agree. You have stated it very well. Juan Martinez does not want to win this particular battle..he wants to win the war!

Mylife101 wrote:

Pianist wrote:

I think this about let's argue about what is important. JM will not want to win the battle he wants to win the war. Is it important if she had something in her hand in this picture? We know she had two weapons in her hand at some point!!!! I personally don't care when I care that she horrifically murdered ( not killed) this young man. Let's trust JM

Yes, pianist. Agree. You have stated it very well. Juan Martinez does not want to win this particular battle..he wants to win the war!

I'll do my research next time.

keikikiki wrote:Thanks Bmore & all for the update!

So...looking at the close up eyeball guy...I just don't get it...I see a big white blob, which YEAH! Looks like a flash to me...And yeah, I saw that without the eyeball expert blowing it up...all I see, even with that goofy outline, is a flash. Do you all really see anything about her standing/sitting/whatev? Please tell me I don't need to watch this dribble on youtube tonight.

Keiki,
Go to the HLN page and click on story #3 Defense takes closer look at shower pic. This is the live blog from today. Scroll about 3/4 down the live blog and you will find somewhat better "eyeball" pics with the camera guys outline and a description of where to look for what. I can see 1/2 her face now that I know what to look for. Juan is right though....10 people would see 10 different things if you don't give them instructions for where to look and what they should be seeing, IMO.
http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/04/15/jodi-arias-trial-live-blog-defense-wrap?hpt=hln10_3

I agree with JM. It doesn't make a dang bit of difference if JA has a weapon in her hand in the reflection. I mean...how do you know she hasn't already pointed a gun at him...ordered him to sit down...put the gun in her waist band...took the picture..etc.. Therefore, this is non-evidence in my book.

Bmore wrote:I was thinking about this the other night when I couldn't sleep... gauging TA's head height when in the linebacker pose and the height JA had the gun. they weren't to much different in height so for her hands to be out right as she shown at a right angle to her body and for his head height when he would have been bent at the waist I still don't think even with his head turned she can make the trajectory to line up...

OMG it's such a relief to hear you guys and gals bring up things that I mull over in my sleep! Ahhhh....yeah...trajectory. Again- JA: Nice try you !!!

It's all about the trajectory, and JA's idiotic justifications for every piece of evidence against her (as well as all the nasty lies she's dreamt up in her 'fruitful' little imagination she's so proud of...F-in' Einstein my ass! )...a quick re-enactment with a canteloupe could disprove her linebacker crap.

As the ME stated, the decomp was too advanced for him to testify re the pathway to TA left maxilla (jaw). But even with minimal common sense, how does a bullet travel through the eyebrow/skull above his right eye and make a SHARP left turn, not hitting any other part of his skull, and end in his lower left jaw? Seems basic- it DOESN'T...which places her far ABOVE his head, on his right side, for the wee bullet to end up where it did. I'm no Einstein, but it wouldn't take even my many years of Anatomy/Physiology etc. graduate classes to make that conclusion. It's embarrassing how worked up I get with some of JA's conclusions...at quick glance, one can see where some of her utter junk fabrications might pass as plausible to the casual observer busy with their own lives/problems...but any one of them, with general, common sense consideration is blown out of the sky. Imo, JA thinks such crap will fly 'cause the rest of us are too busy to pay more than shallow attention to any one such lie. Maybe I'm really worked up 'cause upon the slightest consideration, it's maddeningly obvious that she doesn't know wtf she's talkin' 'bout...and I'm just really scared that she'll slither out of this (like so many do, sadly) for no better reason than we're too lazy to put a little effort into critically thinking her story through, lie by lie. Ah! Here I am at the start of my circle...she has lied so much that most humans simply don't have the time to give.

This really is why I'm so happy to find y'all dissecting her nonsensical pile of ...no doubt every single one of us has much more pressing matters to tend to...and why do any of us invite such frustration into our already chaotic lives? Hmm...me thinky that our collective obsession can be a good and healthy thing if used properly...it seems that the worst parts of human nature are allowed to thrive under conditions of neglect (silence and ignorance imo)...history books are chock full of such stories.

I'm sincerely hoping that our attention and time given to the monster JA (on behalf of Travis Alexander and his family ) will at minimum stunt the growth of evil. Lofty goal to be sure, but I speak because it feels like the least I can do, as a duty and in honor of those who no longer are able. And to reference the great Weez's quote again, silence is acceptance. It's a relief to know so many are unwilling to accept such evil nonsense, even if it is just from one little nobody named JA.

auman58 wrote:

Mylife101 wrote:

Yes, pianist. Agree. You have stated it very well. Juan Martinez does not want to win this particular battle..he wants to win the war!

I'll do my research next time.

Of course, it could have been the uncontrollable laughter thing! So many posibilities....

auman58 wrote:JM probably didn't want to lose anymore jurors due to uncontrollable laughter.

keikikiki wrote:

Bmore wrote:she was not holding it in her hands when photo was taken... but there is a white burst next to where her face would be... what if she was holding it in her mouth and that's the flash reflecting off of it? jk... lol

Hey all! Missed the eyeball guy this am...but the white burst, isn't it obvious this pic was taken with flash? (Jmoo, but I spent way too much time detailing all those pics, with time between pics etc...to see if he was sitting/standing etc...was kinda tryin' to see how it unfolded, as we all know she was sayin' somethin' to him during the sick twisted plot...she musta been directing him as to what 'looks' she was tryin' to capture...the whole time just bidin' her time as for when to strike (imo)...so...

...It just always bugged me that close up of his face is SO BRIGHT compared to every single other pic taken...the only one in sharp focus, close, like she was savoring that one 'LAST' image she'd control of him...jmo...and he is seated...so...

Was there any talk about any of this, or was it all eyeball reflections? What was the dteam point with eyeball guy? Since JM agreed to this stipulation, what are y'all thinkin'? Imo maybe JM is just tryin' to save us all from 2 more weeks of bs testimony about nuttin'...but I didn't see any of it this am, so if I'm way off here, someone lemme know (please!)...Muchas gracias!

Interesting. I also have wondered re the brightness of the photo. It just does not fit the pattern of the pics before/after. Speculation: Could it NOT be a flash but instead light emitting from the firing of the gun? While I have an inkling to believe the ME is correct--- the gun was fired AFTER TA's blood flow to the head had been cut, ie, he had been stabbed thru the heart, etc.-- MAYBE the ME is in error?

Dunno. Just tossing the possibility out there.

Pianist wrote:You know the defendant has a right to a speedy trial. I guess she waived her right to that so the DT could drag this on forever. (Lol)

Interesting. I saw this in another case where the defendant claimed his right to a speedy trial had been denied and he was wanting for sanctions, etc. Well, in his case, he had felt the judge had ruled unfairly re an objection. Because he had injected himself into the trial proceedings, it was determined by a higher court, HE was the cause of the delay; no mistrial.

JA has delayed going to trial several times. Always asking for extensions and the court working with that. Just one extensions throws out the right to a speedy trial. Right about now, IMO, the jury would love to go back to when they were first asked questions re jury duty... and mess it all up !

Okay pianist, auman, bmore, weez & mylife: just read what you all posted while I was typing away on my latest rant...just wanted to say:

I AGREE! JM knows what he's doin' etc...just in case anyone misunderstood my intentions...I for one am not at all concerned about today's stipulation...not at all, in fact it doesn't have anything to do with my rant(s)...not at all worried about winning whatever battle today was...just interested about what you all saw. That's it.

I was just wondering about the seated position of TA, not JA- what was said...I'll watch it. See if it looks like more than just the flash. Thanks all!

If you missed today's festivities, here is a link to one of my favorite recaps: Morbitbuzz blog

http://www.morbitbuzz.blogspot.com/2013/04/41513-day-48-fuckery-day.html#more

Warning: does contain cuss words and humor

Mylife101 wrote:

Yes, pianist. Agree. You have stated it very well. Juan Martinez does not want to win this particular battle..he wants to win the war!

Wow! What a line!

Mylife101 wrote:If you missed today's festivities, here is a link to one of my favorite recaps: Morbitbuzz blog

http://www.morbitbuzz.blogspot.com/2013/04/41513-day-48-fuckery-day.html#more

Warning: does contain cuss words and humor

I love to read her work.

keikikiki wrote: clipped for space---

...As the ME stated, the decomp was too advanced for him to testify re the pathway to TA left maxilla (jaw). But even with minimal common sense, how does a bullet travel through the eyebrow/skull above his right eye and make a SHARP left turn, not hitting any other part of his skull, and end in his lower left jaw? Seems basic- it DOESN'T...which places her far ABOVE his head, on his right side, for the wee bullet to end up where it did. ...

Sure it does. It is called the Kennedy Maneuver and it is deadly! Specially when the bullet produced does not appear to have been fired. JK

Junebug wrote:

carlakay wrote:my daughter has a friend and former soccer teammate who ran the Boston marathon today..we know nothing of her welfare..just horrible

Thoughts and prayers sent her way, along with all the other people in the area today. Just aweful.

Carlakay, I do hope and pray that your daughter's friend is okay, very sorry for what has happened in Boston, it is terrible to live under that cloud. I lived it for many years when I lived in Northern Ireland, I left eventually for m y children's sake and live very happily in Brisbane Australia now. I have been here for 40yrs and would not go back.

Freckles wrote:

Pianist wrote:You know the defendant has a right to a speedy trial. I guess she waived her right to that so the DT could drag this on forever. (Lol)

Interesting. I saw this in another case where the defendant claimed his right to a speedy trial had been denied and he was wanting for sanctions, etc. Well, in his case, he had felt the judge had ruled unfairly re an objection. Because he had injected himself into the trial proceedings, it was determined by a higher court, HE was the cause of the delay; no mistrial.

JA has delayed going to trial several times. Always asking for extensions and the court working with that. Just one extensions throws out the right to a speedy trial. Right about now, IMO, the jury would love to go back to when they were first asked questions re jury duty... and mess it all up !

Juan Martinez actually had a high profile homicide (5 people shot execution style)case taken away from him and re-assigned to another prosecutor because of one of Jodi's rescheduling stunts in 2011. She had her trial rescheduled to Aug 2011 and then decided to represent herself and got rescheduled again. Juan would have prosecuted the Craig Miller case if JA had not been rescheduled into the same time frame. Craig Miller was ultimately convicted.

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_phoenix_metro/central_phoenix/arizona-man-sentenced-to-death-in-family%27s-murder

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/05/06/20110506mesa-2006-killings-2006-shockingly-evil-prosecutor-says.html?asid=2ec5c031

http://www.cncpunishment.com/forums/showthread.php?5509-William-Craig-Miller-Arizona-Death-Row/page2

Freckles wrote:

keikikiki wrote:

Hey all! Missed the eyeball guy this am...but the white burst, isn't it obvious this pic was taken with flash? (Jmoo, but I spent way too much time detailing all those pics, with time between pics etc...to see if he was sitting/standing etc...was kinda tryin' to see how it unfolded, as we all know she was sayin' somethin' to him during the sick twisted plot...she musta been directing him as to what 'looks' she was tryin' to capture...the whole time just bidin' her time as for when to strike (imo)...so...

...It just always bugged me that close up of his face is SO BRIGHT compared to every single other pic taken...the only one in sharp focus, close, like she was savoring that one 'LAST' image she'd control of him...jmo...and he is seated...so...

Was there any talk about any of this, or was it all eyeball reflections? What was the dteam point with eyeball guy? Since JM agreed to this stipulation, what are y'all thinkin'? Imo maybe JM is just tryin' to save us all from 2 more weeks of bs testimony about nuttin'...but I didn't see any of it this am, so if I'm way off here, someone lemme know (please!)...Muchas gracias!

Interesting. I also have wondered re the brightness of the photo. It just does not fit the pattern of the pics before/after. Speculation: Could it NOT be a flash but instead light emitting from the firing of the gun? While I have an inkling to believe the ME is correct--- the gun was fired AFTER TA's blood flow to the head had been cut, ie, he had been stabbed thru the heart, etc.-- MAYBE the ME is in error?

Dunno. Just tossing the possibility out there.

Hi Freckles!!! Love your observations...that is a thought...interesting...I too (like all of us no doubt) have spent too many hours wondering about the order of weapons used...although the more research I've done, the clearer the knife seems to be first for a multitude of reasons imo. However, the thing 'bout the gun first that keeps rearing the thought of it being first is that the trajectory fits with TA seated/JA standing...hmm...never considered the flash being anything else, but definitely SCREAMS out in contrast to every other pic. It is that contrast that suggests a turning point for some reason, just can't seem to figure out the very reason. As always, I'm admirin' your brain. Keep it comin' girl...

Freckles wrote:

keikikiki wrote: clipped for space---

...As the ME stated, the decomp was too advanced for him to testify re the pathway to TA left maxilla (jaw). But even with minimal common sense, how does a bullet travel through the eyebrow/skull above his right eye and make a SHARP left turn, not hitting any other part of his skull, and end in his lower left jaw? Seems basic- it DOESN'T...which places her far ABOVE his head, on his right side, for the wee bullet to end up where it did. ...

Sure it does. It is called the Kennedy Maneuver and it is deadly! Specially when the bullet produced does not appear to have been fired. JK

Good one.