Re: Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #30

by CuriousPortlander Tue May 19, 2015 11:17 pm

Freckles wrote:
Mylife101 wrote:From: https://twitter.com/TrialDiariesJ

Jen's Trial Diaries @TrialDiariesJ
· 1h 1 hour ago
This may be easier to read: letter from Perryville inmate Shawna Forde regarding #jodiarias

(Shawna Forde must be rather bored on Death Row)

Forgive me for the skeptic I am...

Is there really a Shawna Forde in Perryville?
What did she do to earn this room and board?
The handwriting looks to be that of JA... but written with her RIGHT hand and intentionally adding a slant.
I will have to thumb back and check out her other penned work...
Syntax seems to be JA all the way but with a revers slant in the ideas communicated.

BBM - I tend to agree with this. I know nothing about handwriting analysis, but here's what I see. The backward slant is not consistent (slips towards the vertical then to the right, then back to backwards again). Especially on page 2, in the paragraph starting with "What I found interesting".

There are a lot of similarities with CMJA's handwriting in this document: http://twitdoc.com/view.asp?id=94223&sid=20PB&ext=PDF&lcl=JA-Letter-from-Jodi-to-Judge-re-Nurmi-Motion-to-Withdraw.pdf&usr=zou2&doc=139833553&key=key-2gxotllz9sge8erm21fo

Part of that image here (the part with her full name written out):
Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #30 - Page 17 5-0a1f403bea

Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #30 - Page 17 5-0a1f403bea

Capital letters are much larger than lowercase letters; the lowercase t's are crossed fairly low; even her full name appears similar. The only major difference I can see is uppercase I (I vs. l).

For me, the biggest issue with this letter is the contradictory information in it. It says CMJA is isolated and not allowed to communicate with inmates. So how did "Shawna" talk to her about the statement she gave at sentencing? Makes no sense. Sounds like one of CMJA's typical lies.

by Freckles Tue May 19, 2015 11:19 pm

Thanks, MyLife. I was actually going to go and look her up on google.
While I did not recall her name, I vaguely remember the case.
It has been a long time ago! Sorry about that....

SF is one very dangerous person with a cavalier attitude.
Maybe, AZ can free a cell up and actually do what the jury recommended?

Rereading my earlier comment:
First, I don't put anything past JA!! Nothing at all!!!

I could see SF penning the letter.
The writing appears much like JA but it is probably that of SF...
Something sounds screwy in the letter... it may just be SF is screwy as JA is!

Interesting read and I appreciate your sharing it.
Made me think...
awe

by Freckles Tue May 19, 2015 11:29 pm

CP:
Been years since I dabbled in handwriting.

The (unintentional or natural) flipping of slant:
This is an emotionally unstable person.
A person who writes tilted to the left margin is usually a person who is withdrawn at the time of the writing. The more drastic the back slant, the more harmful they are to self;

A person who writes tilted to the right margin is usually an extrovert and is "leaning" out toward others.

Any slant that "falls over" is regarded as harmful to either self or others based upon the direction of the slant...

Adolf Hitler is an extreme and easy example.
His writing from the 1930s tilted drastically to the right.
In the last few years of his life, the writing was terribly slanted to the point of twisting under on his name.

Copybook writing is the hardest to work with.
This people have perfect writing and are consistent in letter formation and slant.
Year after year...
Mostly, these are extreme perfectionists...

JA's handwriting DOES show she has artistic ability.
Sadly, she has stopped her artistic expression with copying the art work of others...

Both JA and SF do not loop the tails of letters F, G, Y.
How it is looped would disclose sexual preference and satisfaction.
Left unlooped it says, "None of your business whether I prefer male or female!"
Not looped at the base line would indicate not sexually satisfied but then again there may be no desire, either.
Interesting considering they are in an all female prison and JA is in isolation.... as I would imagine SF is in isolation, too.

by CuriousPortlander Wed May 20, 2015 12:04 am

^^^^
Very interesting, Freckles. Thanks for the info!

by Mylife101 Wed May 20, 2015 12:17 pm

Freckles wrote:CP:
Been years since I dabbled in handwriting.

The (unintentional or natural) flipping of slant:
This is an emotionally unstable person.
A person who writes tilted to the left margin is usually a person who is withdrawn at the time of the writing. The more drastic the back slant, the more harmful they are to self;

A person who writes tilted to the right margin is usually an extrovert and is "leaning" out toward others.

Any slant that "falls over" is regarded as harmful to either self or others based upon the direction of the slant...

Adolf Hitler is an extreme and easy example.
His writing from the 1930s tilted drastically to the right.
In the last few years of his life, the writing was terribly slanted to the point of twisting under on his name.

Copybook writing is the hardest to work with.
This people have perfect writing and are consistent in letter formation and slant.
Year after year...
Mostly, these are extreme perfectionists...

JA's handwriting DOES show she has artistic ability.
Sadly, she has stopped her artistic expression with copying the art work of others...

Both JA and SF do not loop the tails of letters F, G, Y.
How it is looped would disclose sexual preference and satisfaction.
Left unlooped it says, "None of your business whether I prefer male or female!"
Not looped at the base line would indicate not sexually satisfied but then again there may be no desire, either.
Interesting considering they are in an all female prison and JA is in isolation.... as I would imagine SF is in isolation, too.

@Freckles and @ CP,

This is an interesting analysis, Freckles. JA handwriting is quite consistent in slant (or lack of), IMO. The purported SF letter is continually changing in the direction and degree of slant and does not seem as "neat" as the sample from JA. If JA actually "faked" a letter from SF to make her points to the outside world then JA is going to be in a whole world of hurt inside Perryville. I don't think a sweet little thing like SF would be very happy about that.

CP, there is a noticeable difference in the uppercase "A" as well. JA consistently makes a sharply pointed "A" and SF varies between a rounded top "A" and a sharply pointed "A" with an extra line leading into the letter. However, I don't doubt the possibility that this could be a forgery on JA's part. We know that she is certainly not above forging things. I'm no handwriting expert, but, I think this is actually SF needing a little attention from the outside world as I doubt that she gets much. Also, I'm not sure that JA would describe her appearance as being "average" and having "crooked teeth". IMO, the many, many pictures that JA took of herself in the free world tells me that JA believes that she is not simply "average". The fact that she smiles in many photos tells me that she is not overly bothered by her teeth not being straight. So, did she or didn't she? Who knows?

by CuriousPortlander Wed May 20, 2015 9:55 pm

Mylife101 wrote:

Does JA now have new attys?

I just came across this at: https://twitter.com/courtchatter

Cathy @courtchatter
· 44m 44 minutes ago
#JodiArias appellate attorney Tennie b Martin. Representing the State, Atty-Joseph Maziarz.

I just came across this link on Websleuths about the attorney representing the State:

https://www.azag.gov/press-release/assistant-attorney-general-joseph-maziarz-honored

Maziarz has served as Unit Chief Counsel since 1991. He has represented the State of Arizona as an appellate prosecutor in more than 500 appeals in state and federal courts. He has argued more than 50 cases in the Arizona Supreme Court, the Arizona Court of Appeals and the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. His cases have resulted in an extraordinary 101 published appellate court opinions.

Maziarz successfully defended the State in many high-profile cases. They include:

Rudi and Michael Apelt, two brothers from Germany who devised and carried out a plot to marry a Mesa woman and murder her for insurance proceeds.

The Apelt brothers were the ones who murdered WS' katiecoolady's sister. He was the attorney for the State on their appeals.

by CuriousPortlander Wed May 20, 2015 10:02 pm

L. Kirk Nurmi ‏@_nurmilaw May 18

The parents of #jodiarias are claiming that her "legal team" endorses a particular fund for her appeal. Truth is, I endorse no such funds!

Troy Hayden ‏@troyhaydenfox10 1h1 hour ago

@RealSheriffJoe just told me full report on #JodiArias jail transgressions will be released one day next week.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/jodiarias

by CuriousPortlander Wed May 20, 2015 10:22 pm

Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #30 - Page 17 JA%20Hearing%20Reset

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Source: https://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CriminalCourtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2008-031021

by Mylife101 Wed May 20, 2015 10:24 pm

CuriousPortlander wrote:L. Kirk Nurmi ‏@_nurmilaw May 18

The parents of #jodiarias are claiming that her "legal team" endorses a particular fund for her appeal. Truth is, I endorse no such funds!

Troy Hayden ‏@troyhaydenfox10 1h1 hour ago

@RealSheriffJoe just told me full report on #JodiArias jail transgressions will be released one day next week.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/jodiarias

LOL!

[b] ^^^(BBM) No matter what might be thought of Kirk Nurmi, personally, I am happy for him that he is finally able to spew his distaste for Arias.

by Weeziethm Thu May 21, 2015 10:02 am

CuriousPortlander wrote:L. Kirk Nurmi ‏@_nurmilaw May 18

The parents of #jodiarias are claiming that her "legal team" endorses a particular fund for her appeal. Truth is, I endorse no such funds!

Troy Hayden ‏@troyhaydenfox10 1h1 hour ago

@RealSheriffJoe just told me full report on #JodiArias jail transgressions will be released one day next week.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/jodiarias

BBM....now that should be some entertaining reading material!! study

Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #30 - Page 17 88030

by Freckles Thu May 21, 2015 4:17 pm

https://twitter.com/cshughes

FYI

by CuriousPortlander Thu May 21, 2015 10:44 pm

Cathy @courtchatter · May 15

#JodiArias Restitution hearing reset to June 22, 2015.

https://twitter.com/courtchatter

by CuriousPortlander Fri May 22, 2015 3:19 am

Weeziethm wrote:I really hesitate to post this because I was feeling oh so gleeful at not having to think about JA anymore, however.... here you go!

I have my doubts as to whether this is really from Hodi's mouth because, after all, she is in a federal prison lock-down. I'll just post it and leave it to each of you to digest....or NOT

..pay particular attention to Nurmi's tweet at the end. PRICELESS!

Jodi Arias appears to be enjoying prison life: Letter to supporters

http://www.courtchatter.com/#!Jodi-Arias-appears-to-be-enjoying-prison-life-Letter-to-supporters/c1oiw/5553d8800cf24874172f47ff

I just came across a blog post that dissects this letter with funny comments - hope you enjoy it as much as I did:

Behind Jodi's Letter
May 14, 2015
Kim Anne Whittemore

Well, well... Guess what? I just checked the mail and a letter has arrived from summer camp... oh wait, I mean college... oh crap, our letter has the return address of Perryville Prison in Goodyear, Az. It must be from Jodi... let's open it and see what she has to say. She must be short on paper because the handwriting is SO small! Hmmm... well, let me help you all out and transcribe it...

...The day she arrived, everyone was professional and efficient? What does that mean? Does she think the world believed that her jailer was Vlad the Impaler? Professional and efficient. Does that mean they did a strip search without laughing at the size of her...well, you know. Professional and efficient are code words for distant and unfriendly, and they're about the best qualities you can hope for in people who are chaining your hands and feet together after you've bent over, coughed, and showered in front of them.

...Her journey even begins the same way Milke's did -- with her eyes being blinded with halogen lights (where did she get access to Milke's booking photo, and why was she looking at it? I've never seen it). Then she writes that she was put under suicide watch -- but hey, it was fake suicide watch (because she's perfectly content with the idea of being permanently exiled from society and living with murderers). I think she wrote about this because she knows that the information will eventually get out to the public, so she's mounting a preemptive strike. She wasn't there for "mental health reasons" either (this is her way of telling everyone that her alleged mental illness is nothing more than a mitigator used at trial). While everyone else is on suicide watch, Arias is there for "security reasons -- whatever that means" (it's a prison, idiot -- what do you think it means?).

Read more: http://www.kimawhittemore.com/#!Behind-Jodis-Letter/c1jyg/555516320cf21fee138defe8

by Moosiesmama Fri May 22, 2015 3:42 am

Thanks, CP, very nice and insightful take on JA's letter. Had me giggling a couple of times.

by Weeziethm Fri May 22, 2015 8:47 am

Moosiesmama wrote:Thanks, CP, very nice and insightful take on JA's letter. Had me giggling a couple of times.

....hahahaha, that was great! "Please go away, nobody likes you" LOL tongue

by Alessandra_Deux Fri May 29, 2015 10:06 pm

Investigation finds source of leak of juror identities at Jodi Arias trial can't be pinpointed

By JACQUES BILLEAUD Associated Press
May 29, 2015 - 8:13 pm EDT

Read more:

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/715c468940db4f169f9b5fc28cc0d440/AZ--Jodi-Arias

by One Wonders Sat May 30, 2015 2:14 pm

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Investigation finds source of leak of juror identities at Jodi Arias trial can't be pinpointed

By JACQUES BILLEAUD Associated Press
May 29, 2015 - 8:13 pm EDT

Read more:

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/715c468940db4f169f9b5fc28cc0d440/AZ--Jodi-Arias

Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #30 - Page 17 80578

I'm using this little guys as a DUHHHH moment.
Not surprised at all. Personally, I think the butcher did it herself through the video visiting she was so fond of with her minions.

by Freckles Sat May 30, 2015 3:31 pm

^^^

IMO. Either JA released the info thru one of her blog sites using a family member or the mitigation specialist... Chain effect of passing info along. The purpose? Contaminate the jury and cause a new trial...

by CuriousPortlander Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:37 pm

UnMadHousewife ‏@SheriLynnLytle 9h9 hours ago

The new Life (without parole) magazine is out! I just knew those crazy kids would make a great couple! #jodiarias

Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #30 - Page 17 CG1mQpXVAAAqJRj

Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #30 - Page 17 CG1mQpXVAAAqJRj

Source: https://twitter.com/hashtag/jodiarias

roflao

by Freckles Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:22 am

^^^^i cons not working...

by Freckles Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:25 am

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=843858865690257

Interesting twitter.

by Freckles Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:37 am

The family went to Cancun ... to finish the trip Travis was wanting to go on.

https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis/photos/a.226325870776896.54624.160510210691796/836541889755288/?type=3&permPage=1

by Freckles Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:05 am

Mylife101 wrote:
colsnipe wrote:

Bumping up thread!

You know I just have to do this.... Very Happy

by Mylife101 Thu Jun 11, 2015 3:30 am

^^^ Gosh, JA, the Arias camp, and JAII supporters are pretty quiet these days. JA's 15 minutes of infamy are finally over! Irrelevant, gone, forgotten.

by Weeziethm Thu Jun 11, 2015 11:15 am

hahahaha....Love seeing this!

It made my day Cool

by Freckles Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:35 pm

This is the letter JA wrote from prison.
I am sharing this because it is in large type and there is audio reading it.
Good presentation!

by Freckles Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:41 pm

A Parody

From comment section:
".... Carl “Ronin” ToersBijns Shared on Google+ · 1 month ago · Shared to Youtube promote your Video

As a former prison administrator someone asked me what is the "Perryville shuffle" and I said watch, read listen to this video - a parody of Jodi Arias' arrival at Perryville prison. ...."

".... NaturalBorn Scorpio 1 month ago
I liked that just as I like all your videos & everything you've done ..I think you are very unique & artistic and it shows in your poetic story telling here ..well done !!
I just finished reading about Sandy Arias as she's asking the public to fund Jodi's appeal ..I'm a little confused as she says the first 2 appeals are paid for & they leaves me asking why she is asking for $25,000 that will be matched dollar per dollar by an anonymous person but then she goes on to say that they have around 2 years to come up with a $250,000.00 Retainer for a hired Lawyer ?

With everything I've read I just don't see Jodi winning any appeal so I wonder if her mom Sandy is just collecting money under false pretenses for other means ..maybe they want to buy a nice retirement home down in Costa Rica?
I would like to know what you think about this if you're following Jodi's appellate court phase ? Anyone else who cares to add to this discussion your input & opinions are also welcomed also ? ...."

by CuriousPortlander Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:15 pm

LindaNewYork ‏@NewYorkLinda 3h3 hours ago

#jodiarias HAHAHA. The fund is TANKING. No one cares. BEGGING for money. #LOSING

Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #30 - Page 17 CHU-jNYUEAAB3Z3

Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #30 - Page 17 CHU-jNYUEAAB3Z3

https://twitter.com/hashtag/jodiarias

Awww...let me find my violin; oh, here it is: Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #30 - Page 17 Eusa_boohoo

Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #30 - Page 17 Eusa_boohoo

by CuriousPortlander Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:19 pm

Retweeted 22 times
Troy Hayden ‏@troyhaydenfox10 2h2 hours ago

AZ state bar just confirmed there an open investigation into conduct of pros Juan Martinez during #JodiArias trial.

https://twitter.com/hashtag/jodiarias

by CuriousPortlander Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:20 pm

Arizona Bar investigating Jodi Arias prosecutor Juan Martinez after ethics complaint
By KTAR.com, | June 12, 2015 @ 4:01 pm

PHOENIX -- The Arizona State Bar is investigating an ethics complaint made against Juan Martinez, the prosecutor in the Jodi Arias murder trial.

Rick DeBruhl with the State Bar said an unidentified person alleged Martinez violated professional conduct standards during the Arias trial but would not give more details.

http://ktar.com/22/1842007/Arizona-bar-investigating-Jodi-Arias-prosecutor-Juan-Martinez-after-ethics-complaint

by CuriousPortlander Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:28 pm

Troy Hayden ‏@troyhaydenfox10 · now29 seconds ago
Maricopa County Attys office on AZ Bar investigation of prosecutor Juan Martinez in #JodiArias case: "No comment. Routine defense tactic."

https://twitter.com/troyhaydenfox10

by CuriousPortlander Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:10 pm

by Freckles Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:12 am

by Weeziethm Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:04 am

by Freckles Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:13 pm

Bet she wishes for a window view... and windows to open to let a swift, stiff summer wind waffle thru the cell and clean out the smell....

by One Wonders Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:15 pm

Freckles wrote:Bet she wishes for a window view... and windows to open to let a swift, stiff summer wind waffle thru the cell and clean out the smell....

I'm not positive but I don't think prison window's open so she doesn't even have that, Very Happy

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by Freckles Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:39 am

"....Record-Heat Wednesday
Posted: Jun 17, 2015 9:25 PM CST
Updated: Jun 17, 2015 9:25 PM CST
By Kevin Jeanes

Tucson International Airport (TIA) hit the record high temperature of 109° at 1:35pm today. It dropped below 109° by 3:43pm. That makes it the 3rd day in-a-row with temperatures above 105°.

We have yet to tie or break a record in Tucson since March 30th this year, when it was 93°. Today's record-heat is also the first time it's been above 108° at TIA since June 30, 2013, when it was 111°.

Other areas were near records as well.

Phoenix: High *114°* (Record 114°)
Yuma: High 114° (Record 115°)
Green Valley: High *106°* (Record 106°)

Copyright 2015. Tucson News Now. All Rights Reserved.....''

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/29347675/record-heat-wednesday

by Freckles Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:43 am

By definition, Hell is HOT!
hehehe

Give you time to reflect upon a certain Christmas.... 2003.
The beauty of hiding behind a Christmas tree and spying on people
because you were NOT invited!
Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #30 - Page 17 624539

Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #30 - Page 17 624539

by CuriousPortlander Thu Jun 18, 2015 1:42 am

Freckles wrote:
"....Record-Heat Wednesday
Posted: Jun 17, 2015 9:25 PM CST
Updated: Jun 17, 2015 9:25 PM CST
By Kevin Jeanes

Tucson International Airport (TIA) hit the record high temperature of 109° at 1:35pm today. It dropped below 109° by 3:43pm. That makes it the 3rd day in-a-row with temperatures above 105°.

We have yet to tie or break a record in Tucson since March 30th this year, when it was 93°. Today's record-heat is also the first time it's been above 108° at TIA since June 30, 2013, when it was 111°.

Other areas were near records as well.

Phoenix: High *114°* (Record 114°)
Yuma: High 114° (Record 115°)
Green Valley: High *106°* (Record 106°)

Copyright 2015. Tucson News Now. All Rights Reserved.....''

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/story/29347675/record-heat-wednesday

Jodi Arias--Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #30 - Page 17 Mocking-smiley-emoticon

by CuriousPortlander Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:41 pm

The State vs Jodi Arias ~ Travis Alexander murder trial
June 19 at 10:20pm ·

ALERT : ‪#‎JodiArias‬ restitution hearing set for Monday, 8:30a. We'll keep you updated throughout.

(BBM)

https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis/posts/851185108290966

by Alessandra_Deux Mon Jun 22, 2015 10:41 am

Jodi Arias could pay restitution

Posted: Jun 22, 2015 7:07 AM CDT
Updated: Jun 22, 2015 8:01 AM CDT

Posted by Jennifer Thomas

PHOENIX (KPHO/KTVK) - Convicted killer Jodi Arias is expected to be in court Monday morning for a restitution hearing.

The hearing could determine if Arias' assets, including some part of whatever she earns in prison, will be forfeited to repay Travis Alexander's family for what they've lost.

Read more:

http://www.kpho.com/story/29375078/arias-could-pay-restitution#ixzz3dnnGQINp

by Weeziethm Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:55 am

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 26m26 minutes ago
Juan is here in grey with a black tie

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 8m8 minutes ago
Jen Willmott is here in black with her brown hair back

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 1m1 minute ago
Just like old times....side bar

Very Happy

https://twitter.com/TrialDiariesJ

by Weeziethm Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:56 am

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 48s49 seconds ago
Jodi waived presents. Juan is speaking. Alexander's will not be coming back to AZ. Juan submitted receipts from them

by Weeziethm Mon Jun 22, 2015 11:56 am

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 35s36 seconds ago
Jodi agreed to pay some of the amounts but defense wants a report on the Alexander's donations

by Weeziethm Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:00 pm

Jen's Trial Diaries ‏@TrialDiariesJ · 18s18 seconds ago
Sam- $15,000 Tanisha- $10,000- Hillary $4000- Steven $1000- Dennis over $200 these are estimates
Hearing is now over

https://twitter.com/TrialDiariesJ

Shocked

by Weeziethm Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:14 pm

MaryEllen Resendez ✔ @maryellenabc15

Judge Sherry Stephens sets #JodiArias restitution around 31k to be paid to #TravisAlexander family for travel expenses

by CuriousPortlander Mon Jun 22, 2015 12:43 pm

That was quick! Thanks for the updates, Weezie!

by Freckles Wed Jun 24, 2015 3:27 am

JA got off easy... too easy!
I am sure the families did not charge for the meals, the rent on the home they stayed at, babysitters, car tires, car maintenance, etc..
Too low for so many family members...

She should have to pay for the ruined car, the cemetery plot and headstone, etc..
How about the loss of the value of the home in AZ?

by colsnipe Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:27 am

Freckles wrote:JA got off easy... too easy!
I am sure the families did not charge for the meals, the rent on the home they stayed at, babysitters, car tires, car maintenance, etc..
Too low for so many family members...

She should have to pay for the ruined car, the cemetery plot and headstone, etc..
How about the loss of the value of the home in AZ?

Freckles, I agree with you on all of it...

Found this joke on another website. since it is JA related, but still funny figured i would post it.

http://www.gavel2gavel.com/humor/courtroom/index.htm

By Attorney: This Myasthenia Gavis, does it affect your memory at all?
By Witness: Yes.
Attorney: And in what ways does it affect your memory?
Witness: I forget things.
Attorney: You forget things? Can you give us an example of something you've forgotten?

By Attorney: Was that the same nose you broke as a child?

and for JM...Strike thrus are my edits
By the Court: You may call your next witness.
By ~~Defendant's Attorney~~Plaintiff's Attorney: Your Honor, at this time I would like to swat [opposing counsel] on the head with his client's deposition.
The Court: You mean read it?
~~Defendant's Attorney~~Plaintiff's Attorney: No, Sir. I mean to swat him on the head with it. Pursuant to Rule 32, I may use the deposition "for any purpose" and that's the purpose I want to use it for.
The Court: Well, it does say that.
Quiet pause.
The Court: There being no objection, you may proceed.
~~Defendant's Attorney~~Plaintiff's Attorney: Thank you, Judge.
Thereafter, ~~Defendant's Attorney~~Plaintiff's Attorney swatted ~~plaintiff's attorney~~Defendant's Attorney on the head with the deposition.
By ~~Plaintiff's Attorney~~ Defendant's Attorney (the victim): But Judge ...
The Court: Next witness.
Plaintiff's Attorney: ... We object.
The Court: Sustained. Next witness.

by Freckles Thu Jun 25, 2015 2:47 am

Watching the Escape (crime channel) shows on TV today.
Saw this one show of high interest and wanted to share the info I got from the show.

Wells Fargo murders . Supreme Court, 2002 appeal by convicted, 2004 clarification, State of Arizona

Why and when did the laws change so the jury makes the penalty decision and not the judge?

"...Arizona law requires the judge to find beyond a reasonable doubt at least one aggravating factor in order to sentence a defendant to die. The judge in Ring's case found two: that the murder was committed for money and "in an especially heinous, cruel or depraved manner."

On automatic direct appeal to the Arizona Supreme Court, the state's highest court affirmed the sentence, rejecting a clutch of arguments for a new trial. But one argument in Ring's appeal gave pause to Justice Stanley Feldman, who wrote the opinion.

The U.S. Supreme Court in two recent cases, Jones v. U.S. in 1999 and Apprendi v. New Jersey in 2000, seemed to overrule Walton v. Arizona, a 1990 case that upheld Arizona's sentencing procedure for capital cases.

Feldman wrote, "While the state is correct in noting that neither Jones nor Apprendi overruled Walton, we must acknowledge that both cases raise some question about the continued viability of Walton."

In Jones, the Court ruled that removing a jury's control over facts determining the "statutory sentencing range" would violate the 6th Amendment.

And the Apprendi opinion stated that "any fact that increases the penalty for a crime beyond the prescribed statutory maximum must be submitted to a jury, and proved beyond a reasonable doubt."

http://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/ring-timothy-stuart.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_v._Arizona

".....New questions in '94 armored-car murder in Glendale

by Michael Kiefer - Jul. 17, 2010 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic

Timothy Ring got off Arizona's death row in 2007.

But if he gets his way, he could risk another death sentence by going back to trial to try to prove his innocence in a 15-year-old murder case.

Ring was sentenced to death for the 1994 slaying of an armored-car driver during a Glendale heist.

slideshow Arizona's death row

But the U.S. Supreme Court, in a landmark decision, later changed the way the death penalty is imposed in the United States and threw out Ring's sentence.

Ring, now 45, was resentenced to life in prison, but he still maintains his innocence.

This spring, he asked for a new trial, alleging his original defense was ineffective.

The Maricopa County Attorney's Office must respond by Aug. 1. Then, a judge will decide whether Ring deserves a new trial.

The key to Ring's request is new evidence - or rather, evidence that had been downplayed. There are questions about a missing bullet, a cigarette butt that was never found and a pile of cash found in Ring's home.

The findings may or may not mean Ring is not guilty. But they strongly suggest the crime didn't happen the way prosecutors said it did. That could earn Ring a new trial.

If a new jury finds him not guilty, Ring could walk free.

But if it finds him guilty, the man whose name came to define the criteria for a death sentence could end up back on death row. ....."

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2010/07/17/20100717new-trial-sought-in-arizona-armored-car-murder.html#ixzz3e3O35FM4

"....Since the jury during Ring's trial never heard the evidence used to determine a death sentence, the United States Supreme Court found that the judge imposed a stiffer penalty, the death penalty, based on evidence the jury never heard and therefore sentenced him beyond what the jury could consider. This was unconstitutional because the Sixth Amendment requires a jury trial.
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A judge can only sentence you for crimes for which a jury has heard the evidence. If further evidence is offered at a sentencing hearing, you still cannot be sentenced to a stiffer penalty than would have been possible based on what the jury heard and decided.

(Do you recall JA stating at the sentencing hearing how she suddenly DID recall murdering Travis? Well placed. Since the jury did not hear this evidence, the judge could not consider the "new" information when passing the sentence.)

The Court decided in Apprendi that the “Sixth Amendment does not permit a defendant to be 'expose[d] … to a penalty exceeding the maximum he would receive if punished according to the facts reflected in the jury alone.'” This decision came 10 years after the decision in Walton that held Arizona's sentencing scheme to be compatible with the Sixth Amendment. ....."

http://www.infoplease.com/cig/supreme-court/must-jury-decide-death-penalty.html

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