George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
OptioMac wrote:but TM was, Oh, SO NICE, eh? :)))
Sweet, innocent, angel child ..
Other than that .. both of them are NOBODY to me .. - i simply go by the evidence in front of us..
Charge someone with murder .. - then ... PROVE IT!
... bottom line? ...
TM was a child. He didn't have multiple arrests in his life - he didn't call police 46 times - he didn't shut his mother's electricity off - he didn't lie to the judge and courts about his finances.
His "troubles" were that of teenagers - not doing homework - smoked some pot - missed curfew.
The courts and the jury worries about PROOF. Not me. And not here. I'm just on a message board stating my opinion.
And all the evidence is out. Its Florida. Sunshine laws and whatnot. ALL evidence has been disclosed in this case. So ANYONE can make up their mind - even before the jury does.
The guy is guilty of MURDER. In my opinion. He's responsible. Not first degree - I'm not sure nor care what the jury will decide. If it were up to me, I'd say 20 years is what he should get.
And he should never be allowed to carry a weapon. He's proven to me he can't be responsible with it.
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
OptioMac wrote:Alessandra,
YouTube videos from such bias people as that "video maker", LMSPapa or anyone else of similar nature ... truly don't impress me much ;)
too many bias papas around by the way ... - LMSPapa, papapipi .... etc
What did Madonna once said / sang: "Papa don't preach..." :)
I don't think they are trying to impress other people, they are exercising their first amendment rights and are using Youtube as a medium to do it. Just like you and I post on websites to express our opinions about the case based on the facts and evidence that have been released by the court.
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
stealing jewelry ... "no arrests" (cuz authorities "swept" it all under the rug) ..
... doesn't hurt to brush up on angel child's true details somewhat (even though they won't be brought up at trial, more likely, unless prosecution will open that can of worms on their own) ... ;)
You say the guy is guilty of MURDER .. and "me say" he is NOT :))))
P.S.
........ and I never add MOO / "in my opinion" etc .. or almost never .... - cuz I am the one who is saying it .... of course it's MINE :)
We weren't born yesterday .... (today maybe though .. joking) ;)
... doesn't hurt to brush up on angel child's true details somewhat (even though they won't be brought up at trial, more likely, unless prosecution will open that can of worms on their own) ... ;)
You say the guy is guilty of MURDER .. and "me say" he is NOT :))))
P.S.
........ and I never add MOO / "in my opinion" etc .. or almost never .... - cuz I am the one who is saying it .... of course it's MINE :)
We weren't born yesterday .... (today maybe though .. joking) ;)
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
Zimmerman's neighbor says she heard boy's cry
KYLE HIGHTOWER, The Associated Press
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013, 10:59 AM
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Another neighbor, Jeannee Manalo, testified after Surdyka that she believed Zimmerman was on top of Martin. Manalo also described hearing howling, but she couldn't tell who it was coming from.
Under cross-examination, defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked why she had never mentioned her belief that Zimmerman was on top in previous police interviews. He made her read back a transcript of an interview in which she described only seeing shadows.
Other neighbors also have described hearing cries for help that were captured on their calls to 911. Martin's parents have said they came from their son, while Zimmerman's father has said he believes the cries belong to his son. Both prosecutors and defense attorneys believe they could show whether Zimmerman or Martin was the aggressor in the encounter at the Retreat at Twin Lakes townhome complex on Feb. 26, 2012. Defense attorneys successfully argued against allowing prosecution experts who claimed the cries belonged to Martin.
Also Wednesday, Judge Debra Nelson announced that an alternate juror - a young, Hispanic man - had been dismissed for reasons unrelated to the case. The judge also ruled that she would allow at trial five police dispatch calls Zimmerman made in the months before his encounter with Martin.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/20130626_ap_91d542c7b5464b6898a26831df664040.html
KYLE HIGHTOWER, The Associated Press
Posted: Wednesday, June 26, 2013, 10:59 AM
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Another neighbor, Jeannee Manalo, testified after Surdyka that she believed Zimmerman was on top of Martin. Manalo also described hearing howling, but she couldn't tell who it was coming from.
Under cross-examination, defense attorney Mark O'Mara asked why she had never mentioned her belief that Zimmerman was on top in previous police interviews. He made her read back a transcript of an interview in which she described only seeing shadows.
Other neighbors also have described hearing cries for help that were captured on their calls to 911. Martin's parents have said they came from their son, while Zimmerman's father has said he believes the cries belong to his son. Both prosecutors and defense attorneys believe they could show whether Zimmerman or Martin was the aggressor in the encounter at the Retreat at Twin Lakes townhome complex on Feb. 26, 2012. Defense attorneys successfully argued against allowing prosecution experts who claimed the cries belonged to Martin.
Also Wednesday, Judge Debra Nelson announced that an alternate juror - a young, Hispanic man - had been dismissed for reasons unrelated to the case. The judge also ruled that she would allow at trial five police dispatch calls Zimmerman made in the months before his encounter with Martin.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/news/nation_world/20130626_ap_91d542c7b5464b6898a26831df664040.html
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
OptioMac wrote:carlakay,
LOL ...
TM hid or ran away ..... while GZ was told he doesn't need to follow TM ...
GZ said "OK' .. turned around and was walking back to his vehicle ..
TM appeared from nowhere all of a sudden .. and went:
"What's your problem, Homey"
GZ: "I don't have a problem" (possibly also "what are you doing here" etc)
TM punched GZ on the nose .. got on top of GZ and began his vicious illegal assault on GZ ...
In desperation GZ was yelling HELP, HELP
But HELP didn't arrive ...
To save his life .. (be it an actual fear or fear in GZ's head only) ... GZ got hold of his weapon (legally aquired) .. and shot TM ... stopping the vicious, illegal felony assault "dead in it's tracks" (no punt intended)...
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NOW ... Who was the one, again, that started that altercation? ... lol ;-)
P.S.
... and as to GZ followed TM .... -- even though GZ already turned around and was returning back to his truck (after following TM for a bit) ... - One can follow another "to the moon" basically ... -- where did you see the law that states one can't walk on the same road / path with another ? --- as long as one doesn't assaut another.
GZ didn't (physically) assaut TM .. TM did assault GZ however .....
no disrespect to you but seems to me your opinions on this case is based directly upon what GZ has told. Sorry but I just aint one to believe every word that comes out of the mouth of someone who just took someones life. I am going to state again I do not believe GZ left his home that night with the intent to kill..I do not even believe he followed TM with the intent to kill and I have yet to see anything in this trial thus far that proves this was murder 2 but I have felt from day one this can not be called self defense.
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
The court is working on proving the murder of TM.
The case is far from over.
It will be in the hands of the jury.
Hopefully, the evidence will be clear and cleanly presented without any more shenanigans. (As in book releases, Dancing with the Stars, media interviews, etc.)
The case is far from over.
It will be in the hands of the jury.
Hopefully, the evidence will be clear and cleanly presented without any more shenanigans. (As in book releases, Dancing with the Stars, media interviews, etc.)
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
OptioMac wrote:stealing jewelry ... "no arrests" (cuz authorities "swept" it all under the rug) ..
... doesn't hurt to brush up on angel child's true details somewhat (even though they won't be brought up at trial, more likely, unless prosecution will open that can of worms on their own) ... ;)
You say the guy is guilty of MURDER .. and "me say" he is NOT :))))
P.S.
........ and I never add MOO / "in my opinion" etc .. or almost never .... - cuz I am the one who is saying it .... of course it's MINE :)
We weren't born yesterday .... (today maybe though .. joking) ;)
Well, good then. But I've seen some get upset when the poster doesn't put "in my opinion".
You will never see me post anything like that - or DEMAND proof from someone. LOL We're on a message board full of OPINIONS. Period.
Anyhoo, back to the trial and ensuing commentary.
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
Freckles wrote:The court is working on proving the murder of TM.
The case is far from over.
It will be in the hands of the jury.
Hopefully, the evidence will be clear and cleanly presented without any more shenanigans. (As in book releases, Dancing with the Stars, media interviews, etc.)
Was someone on Dancing with the Stars???
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
Frantic 911 call elicits tears, trembles during George Zimmerman trial
By Evan Benn
Posted on Wednesday, 06.26.13
SANFORD -- The third day of testimony in the George Zimmerman murder trial began with a hysterical 911 call from a neighbor who reported hearing screams and a bang outside her window.
"Oh, my God, I don't know what he did to this person. ... The person is dead laying on the ground," Jayne Surdyka told a 911 dispatcher. "The young boy. I have never seen anyone killed."
As Surdyka's frantic voice played in court Wednesday, she wept in the witness stand. Jurors took notes throughout the 911 call; several took deep breaths after it ended. The victim's mother, Sybrina Fulton, trembled throughout the call from her seat in the courtroom gallery.
Surdyka testified that she had her television muted, waiting for a program to start, when she heard a "loud, dominant" voice about 25 feet outside her window the evening of Feb. 26, 2012. She described the voice as being angry and agitated as she continued to listen.
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By Evan Benn
Posted on Wednesday, 06.26.13
SANFORD -- The third day of testimony in the George Zimmerman murder trial began with a hysterical 911 call from a neighbor who reported hearing screams and a bang outside her window.
"Oh, my God, I don't know what he did to this person. ... The person is dead laying on the ground," Jayne Surdyka told a 911 dispatcher. "The young boy. I have never seen anyone killed."
As Surdyka's frantic voice played in court Wednesday, she wept in the witness stand. Jurors took notes throughout the 911 call; several took deep breaths after it ended. The victim's mother, Sybrina Fulton, trembled throughout the call from her seat in the courtroom gallery.
Surdyka testified that she had her television muted, waiting for a program to start, when she heard a "loud, dominant" voice about 25 feet outside her window the evening of Feb. 26, 2012. She described the voice as being angry and agitated as she continued to listen.
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http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/26/3471243/alternate-juror-dismissed-in-trayvon.html#storylink=cpy
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
Mari 68 wrote:Freckles wrote:The court is working on proving the murder of TM.
The case is far from over.
It will be in the hands of the jury.
Hopefully, the evidence will be clear and cleanly presented without any more shenanigans. (As in book releases, Dancing with the Stars, media interviews, etc.)
Was someone on Dancing with the Stars???
yup..lead attorney for GZ..Mark O,Mara..I call him MOM on here
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
Mari 68 wrote:OptioMac wrote:stealing jewelry ... "no arrests" (cuz authorities "swept" it all under the rug) ..
... doesn't hurt to brush up on angel child's true details somewhat (even though they won't be brought up at trial, more likely, unless prosecution will open that can of worms on their own) ... ;)
You say the guy is guilty of MURDER .. and "me say" he is NOT :))))
P.S.
........ and I never add MOO / "in my opinion" etc .. or almost never .... - cuz I am the one who is saying it .... of course it's MINE :)
We weren't born yesterday .... (today maybe though .. joking) ;)
Well, good then. But I've seen some get upset when the poster doesn't put "in my opinion".
You will never see me post anything like that - or DEMAND proof from someone. LOL We're on a message board full of OPINIONS. Period.
Anyhoo, back to the trial and ensuing commentary.
nice post Mari..I dont always do the MOO or IMO either...I'm not a professional just a housebound nobody that finds the entire legal process interesting. Don't click on every link shared and tho I am aware of the basics in this case I do not know every single detail..I like to watch and discuss trials and draw my conclussions along the way
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
I am not into blaming victims of crimes.
I spose, in domestic abuse cases, it could be said, "She got what she had coming because she happened to be there. She should have known he would snap..."
"S/He was drunk/on drugs and did not know s/he could hurt the child."
" S/He had a Twinkie.. and a bad childhood. "
I spose we could go back to pre-1970 and say, "She deserved to be raped. After all, she knew I liked to see her wearing that skirt/blouse/shorts.... If she didn't want to be raped, why did she wear something I liked? She is nothing more than a tease!"
I spose we could go back to that age ( and I hear it is still said today) where it is said, "Look. I bought you movies and a dinner. Don't I deserve something more?"
I spose we could just simply state, "Trayvon didn't live there and GZ did. GZ was entitled to say who got to walk down that sidewalk. If Trayvon didn't like it he should have gone home."
I am NOT going there! As a nation we have fought too long and too hard for the rights of all people regardless the gender or the race. This is a different era than the one of the 1950s where Ronald Reagan had to sign an agreement: IF/WHEN he sold his home in Palos Verdes, CA, he agreed he would not see to ANY minority, any person who was Jewish or Catholic, and certainly not to any Italian!!!
Do you like the old way?
I spose, in domestic abuse cases, it could be said, "She got what she had coming because she happened to be there. She should have known he would snap..."
"S/He was drunk/on drugs and did not know s/he could hurt the child."
" S/He had a Twinkie.. and a bad childhood. "
I spose we could go back to pre-1970 and say, "She deserved to be raped. After all, she knew I liked to see her wearing that skirt/blouse/shorts.... If she didn't want to be raped, why did she wear something I liked? She is nothing more than a tease!"
I spose we could go back to that age ( and I hear it is still said today) where it is said, "Look. I bought you movies and a dinner. Don't I deserve something more?"
I spose we could just simply state, "Trayvon didn't live there and GZ did. GZ was entitled to say who got to walk down that sidewalk. If Trayvon didn't like it he should have gone home."
I am NOT going there! As a nation we have fought too long and too hard for the rights of all people regardless the gender or the race. This is a different era than the one of the 1950s where Ronald Reagan had to sign an agreement: IF/WHEN he sold his home in Palos Verdes, CA, he agreed he would not see to ANY minority, any person who was Jewish or Catholic, and certainly not to any Italian!!!
Do you like the old way?
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
Video: The knock-knock joke goes on trial
POSTED: Wednesday, June 26, 2013, 9:55 AM
David Hiltbrand, Inquirer TV Critic
Tough jury. Don West, the criminal attorney for George Zimmerman, found that out the hard way during the opening of his client’s trial. He tried to break the ice with a time-tested legal strategy: the knock-knock joke.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dave_on_demand/Video-The-knock-knock-joke-goes-on-trial.html
POSTED: Wednesday, June 26, 2013, 9:55 AM
David Hiltbrand, Inquirer TV Critic
Tough jury. Don West, the criminal attorney for George Zimmerman, found that out the hard way during the opening of his client’s trial. He tried to break the ice with a time-tested legal strategy: the knock-knock joke.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dave_on_demand/Video-The-knock-knock-joke-goes-on-trial.html
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
George Zimmerman murder trial: Witness says she heard 2 yells for help
Witness Jane Surdyka testifies at the George Zimmerman murder trial in Sanford, Fla. (Jacob Langston / Getty Images / June 26, 2013)
By Michael Muskal and Tina Susman
June 26, 2013, 9:35 a.m.
A resident of the Florida gated community where George Zimmerman shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin testified on Wednesday that she heard what she felt was a boy’s voice crying for help before hearing the sound of gunfire.
Jane Surdyka told the jury that she clearly heard two yells for help on Feb. 26, 2012, the night that Zimmerman and Martin had their confrontation in the housing complex in Sanford, Fla., that led to Martin’s death. Zimmerman, who is on trial on a charge of second-degree murder, argues that he shot Martin in self-defense.
“I truly believed, especially the second yell -- it was a yelp -- I really felt it was the boy’s voice,” Surdyka said. After objections by the defense that were overruled, she went on to say: “It was like a boy’s voice,” adding that she then heard “pop, pop, pop.”
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http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-george-zimmerman-trial-surdyka-20130626,0,3787069.story
Witness Jane Surdyka testifies at the George Zimmerman murder trial in Sanford, Fla. (Jacob Langston / Getty Images / June 26, 2013)
By Michael Muskal and Tina Susman
June 26, 2013, 9:35 a.m.
A resident of the Florida gated community where George Zimmerman shot unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin testified on Wednesday that she heard what she felt was a boy’s voice crying for help before hearing the sound of gunfire.
Jane Surdyka told the jury that she clearly heard two yells for help on Feb. 26, 2012, the night that Zimmerman and Martin had their confrontation in the housing complex in Sanford, Fla., that led to Martin’s death. Zimmerman, who is on trial on a charge of second-degree murder, argues that he shot Martin in self-defense.
“I truly believed, especially the second yell -- it was a yelp -- I really felt it was the boy’s voice,” Surdyka said. After objections by the defense that were overruled, she went on to say: “It was like a boy’s voice,” adding that she then heard “pop, pop, pop.”
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
The court will resume any second now.
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Alessandra_Deux wrote:Video: The knock-knock joke goes on trial
POSTED: Wednesday, June 26, 2013, 9:55 AM
David Hiltbrand, Inquirer TV Critic
Tough jury. Don West, the criminal attorney for George Zimmerman, found that out the hard way during the opening of his client’s trial. He tried to break the ice with a time-tested legal strategy: the knock-knock joke.
Read more:
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dave_on_demand/Video-The-knock-knock-joke-goes-on-trial.html
This guy, Stewart, is funny! Loved the parody. :lol:
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
Bouncing from coast to coast is hard.
I have jet lag after the JA trial--- subtract hours and rely on it starting late--- and now the GZ trial with adding hours and relying on it starting mostly on time.
I like the less frequent side-bars.
I have jet lag after the JA trial--- subtract hours and rely on it starting late--- and now the GZ trial with adding hours and relying on it starting mostly on time.
I like the less frequent side-bars.
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Freckles, I love the skit on the "knock-Knock Joke", it is brilliant and hilarious.
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Re: George Zimmerman -- Trial for the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin --June 10, 2013
Ramona Rumpf, the custodian of records, is back on the stand, the prosecution is going to play the recordings of Zimmerman's calls to the non emergency police number.
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Freckles wrote:Bouncing from coast to coast is hard.
I have jet lag after the JA trial--- subtract hours and rely on it starting late--- and now the GZ trial with adding hours and relying on it starting mostly on time.
I like the less frequent side-bars.
think I may be a bit jet lagged too because I am finding all 4 attorneys in this trial to be extremely annoying. Thankfully I have not felt the need to slap this judge awake tho..lol
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She's good -- glad these calls came in. GZ was really jonesing for some type of position of authority (in the LE field) ~~CAlessandra_Deux wrote:Ramona Rumpf, the custodian of records, is back on the stand, the prosecution is going to play the recordings of Zimmerman's calls to the non emergency police number.
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Rachel Jeantel, Witness #8, is testifying now.
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Watching TM's friend testify, it appears she wants to be anywhere but there. Is there a language barrier or is something else going on with her? I can't understand her mumbling -- she's talking like my son does sometimes, thinking it's all cool and all (it's not).
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Rumpf was professional. That added class to this trial.
(Yesterday, one of the dteam's attys had to bend over a trash can and he spat out his gum prior to beginning cross examine. That disgusted me. I understand NO ONE is sposed to be eating or chewing anything in a court room! Then we got the JA trial...)
(Yesterday, one of the dteam's attys had to bend over a trash can and he spat out his gum prior to beginning cross examine. That disgusted me. I understand NO ONE is sposed to be eating or chewing anything in a court room! Then we got the JA trial...)
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She is not comfortable. She was reported to be uncomfortable with the questioning after Trayvon was killed. Now the dteam is intimidating her.... West wants to change his seat to eye-ball her and that has to bother her. I gather she is rather shy about being in front of this court.ClaireUncensored wrote:Watching TM's friend testify, it appears she wants to be anywhere but there. Is there a language barrier or is something else going on with her? I can't understand her mumbling -- she's talking like my son does sometimes, thinking it's all cool and all (it's not).
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This is terribly hard on her.
She could not go to the wake; said she felt guilty being the last person who talked with Trayvon.
She is softly crying but her voice is breaking badly.
She could not go to the wake; said she felt guilty being the last person who talked with Trayvon.
She is softly crying but her voice is breaking badly.
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15 minute recess.
Rachael really cared deeply for her friend, Trayvon.
Rachael really cared deeply for her friend, Trayvon.
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Yes, I see that now. 3pm break before cross. The defense best treat her with kid gloves for GZ's sake. My heart aches for her; this was not an act~~CFreckles wrote:She is not comfortable. She was reported to be uncomfortable with the questioning after Trayvon was killed. Now the dteam is intimidating her.... West wants to change his seat to eye-ball her and that has to bother her. I gather she is rather shy about being in front of this court.ClaireUncensored wrote:Watching TM's friend testify, it appears she wants to be anywhere but there. Is there a language barrier or is something else going on with her? I can't understand her mumbling -- she's talking like my son does sometimes, thinking it's all cool and all (it's not).
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Trayvon Martin's friend describes final phone call
Wednesday, June 26, 2013
By: Associated Press
SANFORD, Fla. — A friend of Trayvon Martin who was on the phone with him moments before he was fatally shot by George Zimmerman described how the Miami teen complained to her that the neighborhood watch volunteer was watching him as he walked home from a convenience store.
Rachel Jeantel testified Wednesday in Zimmerman's murder trial. She is considered one of the prosecution's most important witnesses.Jeantel says Martin described Zimmerman as "creepy."
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Wednesday, June 26, 2013
By: Associated Press
SANFORD, Fla. — A friend of Trayvon Martin who was on the phone with him moments before he was fatally shot by George Zimmerman described how the Miami teen complained to her that the neighborhood watch volunteer was watching him as he walked home from a convenience store.
Rachel Jeantel testified Wednesday in Zimmerman's murder trial. She is considered one of the prosecution's most important witnesses.Jeantel says Martin described Zimmerman as "creepy."
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Jury hears past Zimmerman calls to police as evidence in murder trial
Published June 26, 2013
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Jurors in the George Zimmerman murder trial Wednesday heard several calls the defendant made to police prior to his fatal confrontation with Florida teen Trayvon Martin, evidence the prosecution believes will show the defendant was a neighborhood busybody who often eyed strangers with suspicion.
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Published June 26, 2013
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Jurors in the George Zimmerman murder trial Wednesday heard several calls the defendant made to police prior to his fatal confrontation with Florida teen Trayvon Martin, evidence the prosecution believes will show the defendant was a neighborhood busybody who often eyed strangers with suspicion.
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of course she's not comfortable..she is a 19 year old kid who heard one of her closest friends die and is now having to testify in a trial that has already caused a massive amount of drama.I have felt sorry for every witness who had to testify today..
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Trayvon and Rachael had been friends since second grade.
They lost contact and met up again in 2010 ???
They lost contact and met up again in 2010 ???
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Trayvon Martin’s Friend Describes Final Phone Call
By AP / Kyle Hightower and Mike Schneider June 26, 2013
Jeantel said Martin told her that he thought he had evaded the man following him. But a short time later, Martin let out a profanity on the phone.
Jeantel testified that Martin then said Zimmerman was behind him and she heard Martin ask: “What are you following me for?”
She says she heard Martin’s phone headset fall and then Martin say “Get off!”
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By AP / Kyle Hightower and Mike Schneider June 26, 2013
Jeantel said Martin told her that he thought he had evaded the man following him. But a short time later, Martin let out a profanity on the phone.
Jeantel testified that Martin then said Zimmerman was behind him and she heard Martin ask: “What are you following me for?”
She says she heard Martin’s phone headset fall and then Martin say “Get off!”
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http://nation.time.com/2013/06/26/trayvon-martins-friend-describes-final-phone-call/#ixzz2XRnVBCXv
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The witness' voice makes me wonder if she is hearing impaired.
She does not appear to hear well and has difficulty with enunciation.
She does not appear to hear well and has difficulty with enunciation.
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Alessandra_Deux wrote:Trayvon Martin’s Friend Describes Final Phone Call
By AP / Kyle Hightower and Mike Schneider June 26, 2013
Jeantel said Martin told her that he thought he had evaded the man following him. But a short time later, Martin let out a profanity on the phone.
Jeantel testified that Martin then said Zimmerman was behind him and she heard Martin ask: “What are you following me for?”
She says she heard Martin’s phone headset fall and then Martin say “Get off!”
Read more:
http://nation.time.com/2013/06/26/trayvon-martins-friend-describes-final-phone-call/#ixzz2XRnVBCXv
Oh, that can't be good. Not good at all.
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Freckles wrote:The witness' voice makes me wonder if she is hearing impaired.
She does not appear to hear well and has difficulty with enunciation.
it's also possible she may of been given a sedative..all I know for sure tho is the anger and pain this girls showing aint fake
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I really wish the media hadn't hyped up this trial with race and gun rights. Very sad.
Its a damn murder trial. Its not about race or guns. So frustrating.
Its a damn murder trial. Its not about race or guns. So frustrating.
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Mr. Martin has broken down in tears as Rachael is telling of Trayvon's last words, "Why are you following me?"
She has repeatedly said Trayvon told her he was not going to run, etc., because he was outside the housing unit of Mr. Martin's gf's home.
She has repeatedly said Trayvon told her he was not going to run, etc., because he was outside the housing unit of Mr. Martin's gf's home.
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I hear her anger, her pain, her frustration ...carlakay wrote:Freckles wrote:The witness' voice makes me wonder if she is hearing impaired.
She does not appear to hear well and has difficulty with enunciation.
it's also possible she may of been given a sedative..all I know for sure tho is the anger and pain this girls showing aint fake
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I tell ya one thing just about every witness today has told me..the police did NOT seem to do their job very damn good in this case..may be the only thing GZ has going for him
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Rachael said:"... I don't watch the news. The only time I watch the news is the weather."
She would have made a perfect juror...
She would have made a perfect juror...
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Freckles wrote:Rachael said:"... I don't watch the news. The only time I watch the news is the weather."
She would have made a perfect juror...
yes and the fact she watches the first 48 would make her even better
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Rachael did not want to meet Trayvon's mother because of Trayvon's death. She asked her mother to tell Sabrina Fulton NO but Rachael's mother did not. Rachael then met and spoke with Sabrina. (Rachael said Sabrina and her mother were the same age and that is why Rachael did not want to meet with Sabrina.) Rachael planned to get a letter to Sabrina and then be done with it.
Rachael put her mother and Sabrina on 3-way on the phone;
the mother agree for Rachael and Sabrina. (Mother was out of the area.) Rachael was willing to tell Sabrina what happened by letter but was uncomfortable meeting his mother for the first time after Trayvon had died.
Rachael put her mother and Sabrina on 3-way on the phone;
the mother agree for Rachael and Sabrina. (Mother was out of the area.) Rachael was willing to tell Sabrina what happened by letter but was uncomfortable meeting his mother for the first time after Trayvon had died.
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West just made a speaking objection to his own question.
Judge told him he could not object to his own question.
West looked confused; he smiled and asked if he could approach.
Agreed...
Judge told him he could not object to his own question.
West looked confused; he smiled and asked if he could approach.
Agreed...
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Freckles wrote:West just made a speaking objection to his own question.
Judge told him he could not object to his own question.
West looked confused; he smiled and asked if he could approach.
Agreed...
this man (West) is driving me insane...maybe he's the one sedated
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Freckles wrote:West just made a speaking objection to his own question.
Judge told him he could not object to his own question.
West looked confused; he smiled and asked if he could approach.
Agreed...
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carlakay wrote:Freckles wrote:West just made a speaking objection to his own question.
Judge told him he could not object to his own question.
West looked confused; he smiled and asked if he could approach.
Agreed...
this man (West) is driving me insane...maybe he's the one sedated
He seems to be trying very, very hard with this witness.
He can't pull any punches on her because she isn't going to let it thru.
She stops him each time.
West has to go slow and easy.
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The court is done for the day.
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George Zimmerman trial: Friend testifies Trayvon Martin said "Get off, get off" before deadly altercation
June 26, 2013 3:27 PM
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Rachel Jeantel, 19, is a crucial witness for prosecutors. Jeantel cried at points during her testimony, describing the last phone call she had with Martin, whom she described as her "friend."
Jeantel was sometimes difficult to understand, prompting attorneys and the judge to ask her to speak up and repeat her answers to questions.
Jeantel said Martin complained to her that a man he described as a "creepy ass cracker" was following him through the community as he was walking home from buying snacks at a 7-Eleven. "He kept complaining that a man was just watching him," Jeantel said.
Martin told her he wanted to try and "lose" the man and starting walking back home, leaving the area near the mailboxes, she said.
"So he told me the man was looking at him, and I had to think it might have been a rapist," Jeantel said.
At one point during the call, she said she told him to run. Martin said no. She said the conversation turned to an all-star basketball game before Martin told her that the man was still following him
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June 26, 2013 3:27 PM
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Rachel Jeantel, 19, is a crucial witness for prosecutors. Jeantel cried at points during her testimony, describing the last phone call she had with Martin, whom she described as her "friend."
Jeantel was sometimes difficult to understand, prompting attorneys and the judge to ask her to speak up and repeat her answers to questions.
Jeantel said Martin complained to her that a man he described as a "creepy ass cracker" was following him through the community as he was walking home from buying snacks at a 7-Eleven. "He kept complaining that a man was just watching him," Jeantel said.
Martin told her he wanted to try and "lose" the man and starting walking back home, leaving the area near the mailboxes, she said.
"So he told me the man was looking at him, and I had to think it might have been a rapist," Jeantel said.
At one point during the call, she said she told him to run. Martin said no. She said the conversation turned to an all-star basketball game before Martin told her that the man was still following him
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http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591180-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-friend-testifies-trayvon-martin-said-get-off-get-off-before-deadly-altercation/
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June 26, 2013
George Zimmerman Trial - Day 3 - Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWMzMxxR2L8
George Zimmerman Trial - Day 3 - Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3FClmRu5cY
George Zimmerman Trial - Day 3 - Part 3 (Rachel Jeantel)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iYVUt3_HOQ
George Zimmerman Trial - Day 3 - Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWMzMxxR2L8
George Zimmerman Trial - Day 3 - Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3FClmRu5cY
George Zimmerman Trial - Day 3 - Part 3 (Rachel Jeantel)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iYVUt3_HOQ
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