AMBER ALERT: Hannah Anderson – Female, 16 Years-Old … Ethan Anderson – Male, 8 Years-Old

Nan11 wrote:

CuriousPortlander wrote:
Thanks for this article, Ishi.  It poses two more contradictions:

If DiMaggio went to all her cheer practices, why did she have to exchange texts with him to give him directions?

Why is she saying she had cheering practice that day when recent reports are saying the cheering practice was the day before?

Just doesn't add up.

Hi, CP!  I just want to share something with you that I noticed Hannah said in the interview she gave this morning.

She calls it 'Cheer Camp.'  I'm wondering if by that she means a special cheerleading practice--a little different than a routine one.  She seems to imply that this 'Cheer Camp' required a different time for pick-up and place than what had been normal--thus her reason for the text exchange; supposedly not phone calls.  (See the first video that I linked above to see what you think of this.  It's right near the start.)

I don't know what to make of the recent reports saying this occurred the day before.  It's turning into a case of who to believe.

CuriousPortlander wrote:That could be, Nan.

Regarding what day the cheerleading practice was, this article says the the Sheriff's spokeswoman Jan Caldwell said the practice took place the day before:  

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-hannah-anderson-dimaggio-photograph-20130820,0,1536035.story

Since this sheriff's department is the one that completely bungled the Rebecca Zahau investigation, I don't know what to believe.

Freckles wrote:San Diego to National City is only a 10=15 minute drive.
National City is further south and this might be where the camera picked up the car near the border????

2nd Paragraph:
San Diego County Sheriff's Department spokeswoman Jan Caldwell said DiMaggio and the 16-year-old were photographed in his Nissan Versa at a westbound Old Highway 8 checkpoint at 12:10 a.m. on Aug 4.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-hannah-anderson-dimaggio-photograph-20130820,0,1536035.story

ishi wrote:http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/14/us/california-amber-alert-dimaggio

"In the affidavits, authorities indicated that Hannah's cell phone was turned off on the afternoon of August 4, the same day and about the same time she was last seen as she was picked up from cheerleading practice at her high school. The affidavit does not identify who picked her up.

Shortly before her phone was turned off, there were 13 calls that day between Hannah and DiMaggio, according to the warrants."

http://www.cbs8.com/story/23129769/lakeside-community-supports-anderson-family

"At El Capitan High School, where Hannah is a junior, well-wishers constructed the message "Hannah's safe," spelled out in pink cups along the high school's fence along with hundreds of pink ribbons."

http://www.wtop.com/209/3429123/Calif-girl-I-texted-with-kidnapper-didnt-call

"Hannah said she exchanged text messages on Aug. 3 with DiMaggio before she disappeared about where he should pick her up from cheerleading practice. Her statements corrected a search warrant that said the pair exchanged about 13 phone calls.

The phone calls weren't phone calls," she said. "They were texts because he was picking me up from cheer camp and he didn't know the address or what, like, where I was, so I had to tell him."

If she is a cheerleader at her high school...

El Capitan High School Cheer Schedule:
July 16 2013 Cheer Practice-Wrestling Room & Varsity Cheer Practice-Wrestling Room  
July 17 2013 Cheer Practice-Wrestling Room  
July 23 2013 Cheer Practice-Wrestling Room  
August 01 2013 Varsity Cheer Practice-Wrestling Room  
August 06 2013 Cheer Practice-Wrestling Room

But then there is the Lakeside Youth Football and Cheer League:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=423024701148379&set=a.394898883960961.1073741828.361421307308719&type=1&theater#!/LakesideLonghornsFootballCheer

Aug 2 Post: Cheer Camp tomorrow 8/3 at Sweetwater High School. JPW-MIDGET 9-4:30 pm. FLAG & MM 12-4:30.

Aug 3 Post: Midget Cheer at cheer camp! Have fun ladies.
(There is a picture with this post and Hannah may or may not be pictured....I can't decide if it's her or not.)

Aug 3 Post: Football practice tomorrow at Lakeside American Little League 8-10:30am. (This would be the practice that Ethan missed.)

Aug 3 Post: No cheer practice for the girls tomorrow 8/4. Great job today ladies. See you Tuesday.

Sadly on Aug 14 there was a post that said Tina Anderson won $100 with a winning raffle ticket.

Sweetwater High School where the cheer camp was held is located in National City, CA.

Freckles wrote:Problems:
1. The cat in the above link is a mixed tabby;
his cat was gray and the people on horseback noted he was holding a gray cat that he said was his

2. He would not have asked HA to walk the dog; the dog was killed and lay under the tarp next to the mother, Christina Anderson.
(Ethan's body was not next to his mother's body.)

Freckles wrote:Thanks, CP!
Hot August nights and I am not thinking straight.
Don't mind me... 

Nan11 wrote:Hi, everyone!

CNN is having a special on this case, right now.  They are showing little bits of today's service, so far.

I think it just came on at the top of the hour and will last 60 minutes.

ishi wrote:http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1308/26/ddhln.01.html

Here's a link to the transcript from Dr. Drew last night and it backs you up, Nan.

So now I am horrified that Ethan was possibly burned alive. That is just beyond cruelty.

Next up, Hannah Anderson says farewell to her mother and brother. What is next for her? There she is at the ceremony.

Now, was Hannah holding a grudge against her mother? There`s some evidence of this, and the behavior bureau wants to weigh in. We are back after this.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A community near San Diego. We`ll pause to remember the mother and brother of Hannah Anderson at a memorial service.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For the deaths of Tina and Ethan, there are no easy words.

DAVID BRAUN, HANNAH ANDERSON`S UNCLE: We will miss them forever. We will always remember them and ask what could have been.

HANNAH`S GRANDFATHER: We`re still in shock, and it hasn`t hit us totally yet and I`m sure it won`t until the funeral.

BRETT ANDERSON, HANNAH`S FATHER: As for my daughter, the healing process will be slow. She has been through a tremendous horrific ordeal.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So I`m sure she`s holding a lot of confusion conflicting feelings right now, grief and loss, and anger.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Hannah said she`s going to bury her mother and brother this weekend. Why is she exposing herself? Where is he father?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The fact is, there was a 16-year-old girl who just turned 16 and was forced into a very adult situation.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Welcome back. I`m with my co-host Samantha Schacher.

And Hannah Anderson`s mother and brother were laid to rest this Saturday. What`s next for Hannah, what`s going on with Hannah is what people seem to be wondering.

Back with us to discuss -- Mark Eiglarsh, Jane Velez-Mitchell. Joining us, attorney and Sirius XM radio host Jenny Hutt, psychotherapist Wendy Walsh, author of "The 30-Day Love Detox, and the phone, I have CNN`s Stephanie Elam, who was at the memorial service.

Stephanie, you first.

You saw Hannah at the service. How was she?

STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via telephone): It was interesting, Dr. Drew. You sat there and you were watching her. She was moving around the sanctuary. She was sipping on some sort of Starbucks drink.

And at the same time, she was hugging friends. She was going around and smiling. At one point, she was holding a baby. She looked generally like she was in good spirits.

And then afterwards, as the actual memorial took place, she sat between her grandmother and her grandfather, the parents of her mother. And at the end, it did look like she was starting to feel the weight of all that was going on.

But I have to tell you, I`ve I got a lot of tweets about her behavior leading up to the actual memorial starting. But again, it was interesting.

And afterwards, I spoke with her grandmother, who she will be spending time with, living with for the next few months. She was saying that, you know, there were some tough moments for Hannah. She was getting through the ceremony. She was listening to all the that were being said about her mother and her brother.

But now the focus really is on trying to get her to assimilate normal life once the cameras are off of her, Dr. Drew.

PINSKY: And, Stephanie, I understand that members of the DiMaggio family are speaking out against one another. Can you tell me a little bit about that?

ELAM: It`s another bizarre twist in this already bizarre story. But, yes, I did get a call back from a woman who is the aunt of Jim DiMaggio, and she is saying that her niece, Laura Lisa, the one who asked for this paternity claim to actually be filed, she says that there`s no reason to do this test, that the whole issue is that she`s after the money because Jim DiMaggio had an insurance policy that he left to Brett Anderson`s mother.

Now, at one point, he did live with Brett Anderson`s mother for about two and a half years or so. It could be for that. It could be for something else. We don`t know.

But this aunt saying there`s no reason to do this paternity test, he`s definitely not the parent of these two children.

PINSKY: Thank you, Stephanie, we appreciate it.

Jane, I want to go to you. These are horrible deaths. At the memorial service, apparently it said -- had different dates for the death, meaning that the young boy probably died in the fire while his mother died previous to the fire, which is just disgusting. My question to you is do you know anything more about DiMaggio or his motivation? We just heard this horrible stuff about his family. This case gets king of weirder and weirder all the time.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: It does. He was a very weird guy.

I mean, the first thing we heard, Dr. Drew, was that he had a crush on Hannah, and that was confirmed by some of her friends who came out and said that she had described it as a crush. Then we heard it was a family crush leading to that speculation that perhaps he was under the delusion that he may have created these children, but obviously, the math doesn`t add up, so maybe he`s hallucinating. Maybe he was completely delusional.

And then we also heard this story that may or may not be true about he was having severe money problems, and as he was losing his house.

As per usual, it`s usually a perfect storm in a confused mind that results in violence.

PINSKY: Wendy, any further thoughts on this guy?

WALSH: Well, I think it`s pretty textbook, hearing that his own father committed suicide around the date that he went nuts himself, Dr. Drew. Isn`t that -- didn`t we learn that in psych 101, that that`s a very vulnerable time?

PINSKY: Yes, indeed.

WALSH: To have an anniversary like that?

PINSKY: Anniversaries and copycats. Both potentially an issue here.

WALSH: Yes.

PINSKY: All right. I want to go to the next topic, which is Hannah and this potential relationship problem with her mother. Do you guys -- have you heard anything about that, Jenny?

JENNY HUTT, SIRIUS XM RADIO HOST: I think most teenage girls at one point or another have conflict with their moms. I think it`s an incredible shame if this kid is carrying some sort of guilt now because her mother was brutally murdered by a maniac.

I think every kid goes through that period of time and it`s unfortunate that they couldn`t have the healing, if that`s really the case, that she did have some sort of grudge as a teenager.

I hope that`s not case. I hope nobody is adding to that with her. And I hope everyone is saying to her, normal you are at 16 to have conflict with your mother. I hope that`s how she`s being helped.

PINSKY: You know, Mark -- how old are your kids now, Mark?

EIGLARSH: Eleven, 9, and 7.

PINSKY: OK. So your oldest is not yet in the mid-teens. So there`s a lot of let`s look at what Hannah is doing at this funeral. We said last week, a 16-year-old, they`re not like adults. They behave in ways, they act out their feelings, they can`t access their feelings. Don`t you think people are over-scrutinizing Hannah?

SCHACHER: Yes.

PINSKY: Well, let me say this. For sure, teenagers act differently than adults. But I`ll tell you something -- if they`re scrutinizing her as I am, out of love and concern, then that`s OK. I personally have tremendous concern about once the cameras go away and once she`s not in the spotlight, how she`s going to be affected by this? I don`t know about her mom, but for sure, she was extremely close with her brother, who she will never see again. She broke down when she was interviewed talking about him. I have extreme concerns about whether she`s going to get the treatment that she needs.

PINSKY: And jenny, finish me up here.

HUTT: I just want to say one more thing. As a mother of a 13-year- old girl, when my 13-year-old daughter has those acting out moments, I will say to her my gosh, you must feel awful inside for you to be acting this way. So, like you`re saying, Dr. Drew, I hope people in her life and teenagers watching her recognize that she`s just a regular teen but for all that went down.

PINSKY: All right. We can talk a little bit more about Hannah`s relationship with her mom.

{Portion snipped as it related to another case.}

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: We all deal with grief differently. This is a 16-year-old version of grief, not an adult version of grief. As teenagers do not express emotions, they don`t access emotions, express emotions, talk about emotions the way adults do. That part of the brain is not working yet. They act out at motions. And when she mentions her mother, she has a little bit of an odd facial expression, does she not?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When we notice that behavior, this micro expression, it means disgust. There was turmoil, without a doubt, between her and her mother.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Time for the "Behavior Bureau." Back with my co-host, Samantha Schacher. And with us, Wendy Walsh, Jenny Hutt, and joining us criminal investigator, Danine Manette, author of "Ultimate Betrayal," and psychotherapist, Tiffanie Davis Henry.

OK. Hannah Anderson admitted turmoil with her mom, and we saw it in those microexpressions that Janine educated us about. She talked about this on NBC. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The letters were from like a year ago when me and my mom were getting along very well, me and him would talk about how to deal with it, and I`d tell him how I felt about it and he`d help me through it. They weren`t anything bad. They were just to help me through tough times.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: Here is what Hannah said on NBC when she was asked if she had a message. Take a look at this.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: To just not hold a grudge, because you never know when someone can be gone.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: It`s hard. It`s hard to watch. But all the stuff we`re seeing, Wendy, I think is it not -- as we over scrutinize her, is it not just a teenager trying to struggle with feelings?

WENDY WALSH, PH.D., PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, yes, but you know what the big word that really hit a chord with me there, Dr. Drew, when she said it was nothing bad. You know, she`s a very concrete, good/bad, good/bad. And I think that inside, she`s asking herself was I a bad girl? Did I do something wrong? Did I kill my mother somehow? How was I involved in this?

(CROSSTALK)

PINSKY: You`re right. And that children have infested (ph) of that still. She admitted to "Dateline" NBC that she is struggling to process her feelings. Take a look at this one.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Through all of this, like I don`t know how I feel. So, I can`t really, like, show it as much.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PINSKY: She`s saying exactly what we`ve been saying. She has trouble talking about it.

WALSH: That is so telling. She doesn`t know how she feels. All that emotion bottled up in there. No words to express. No who to reach out to. Her secure attachment figures are dead. What is she going to do?

PINSKY: However, they just flashed something up on the screen. Wendy, I agree with you 1,000 percent. However, put those pictures back up where you just saw some crazy pictures of Tiffanie -- excuse me, of Hannah.

(CROSSTALK)

WALSH: She`s a teenager, Dr. Drew. She`s a teenager.

PINSKY: I agree. I agree, guys. Go ahead. And she`s a teenager struggling. But go ahead, Tiffanie, tell me your thoughts.

TIFFANIE DAVIS HENRY, PH.D., PSYCHOTHERAPIST: You know, those pictures don`t say a lot to me. What says the most in terms of that interview was that James Dimaggio appears to have been grooming her and trying to gain her confidence, getting her to write him those letters. You may not be able to talk to your mom, but talk to me.

You can tell me everything. And he established a secure connection with this young lady to make her think that she could trust him. And ultimately, we see where that got her. You know, and that`s not to blame Hannah and it`s certainly not to blame her mom. At 16, you`re going to have disagreements with your mom. I know I did, and I`m sure most of the women on this panel -- I mean, I was a mess.

PINSKY: Go ahead, Jenny.

HUTT: Dr. Drew, grieving is like a very personal weird thing from person to person. when And when I lost my mother, and I was 38 years old, I`m sure I did things that were maybe a little bit wacky, a little bit off. My children had a process grieving. They were a little bit younger than Hannah is. And it was, obviously, not great circumstances, but not circumstances like this. So, how can we possibly judge her grieving process?

PINSKY: You`re right, jenny. And yet, Sam, aren`t people going berserk over these pictures -- Tiffanie --

SAMANTHA SCHACHER, SOCIAL COMMENTATOR: Yes.

PINSKY: But Tiffanie, I think, appropriately said it. It`s a teenager. It`s a teenager struggling. Why are people so beside themselves with these pictures? And put them up there again. Because I don`t think they`re that big a deal. Go ahead, Sam.

SCHACHER: It`s not a big deal at all. I mean, these are teenagers. I mean, I wear short shorts in high school. God forbid if I did something wrong -

(CROSSTALK)

(LAUGHTER)

WALSH: I have to disagree with you. This is a big deal.

SCHACHER: Oh, come on, Wendy.

(CROSSTALK)

SCHACHER: Let me finish what I`m about to say. Can I finish -- you don`t even know what I was going to follow up with. OK. So, listen, for one, you can be wearing short shorts. Yes, your parents at the end of the day could tell you maybe that`s not (INAUDIBLE) out of you, but everybody in high school is wearing short shorts, Wendy.

It doesn`t mean that she`s somehow complicit or less of a victim. The same thing with people saying she`s drinking a Starbucks at the funeral. Who cares if she`s drinking a Starbucks at the funeral?

PINSKY: I want to go to Danine before I go to break. I`m up against the clock, Danine. I know you always have strong feelings about this sort of thing. Please. Go.

DANINE MANETTE, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATOR: Dr. Drew, you know I`ve worked with teenagers. You know I`ve raised two teenagers.

PINSKY: Yes.

MANETTE: And I really think that a lot of the struggles she may be going through is her thoughts of whether or not she contributed to this by some behavior of hers that may have given him some signals that she wasn`t as creep out (ph) as we`re all being led to believe that she was being as creep out (ph) by this guy. That`s my thought, that maybe she`s wondering whether she gave him some --

PINSKY: Or -- right. Maybe she actually feels guilty or as Wendy is saying, she has a grandiose fantasy about being guilty that she had nothing to do it. But either way, it`s --

(CROSSTALK)

WALSH: But Dr. Drew, I`ve got to say, the problem with that picture does not have to do with the short shorts. That doesn`t bother me at all. It`s the celebrity culture that she`s attached herself to. She`s now -- her 15 minutes of fame. She`s working it.

PINSKY: Funny you should suggest -- Wendy, I do know about that, and we`re going to talk all about that next, because we`re getting on with Miley Cyrus who -- our way back to our "Behavior Bureau." Oh yes, Wendy. You`ll have something to say about that. No doubt you all will.

And later, we have a real life version of "Home Alone." We have a child whispered call to a 911 operator as robbers break into his house. We will play that for you and tell you how it all played out. Don`t go away.

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The above is from Ishi's link:  http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1308/26/ddhln.01.html

ishi wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGK01AIMqXU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdXJ8toh1hQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCaiG2ji9j4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2epeu-a0JaM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY9zKsNL7Z8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMliBglgF3k

Links to part 1 thru 6 of the Dateline episode on Hannah Anderson.

Freckles wrote:I wonder if JdM took this picture.
It bothers me she has painted him just shy of inappropriate actions/feelings yet she is sporting these shorts?

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/15386073-photo-of-hannah-anderson-looks-suspicious

CuriousPortlander wrote:Photos show Hannah Anderson faking her 'injuries'
San Diego : CA : USA | Sep 04, 2013 at 6:48 PM PDT

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In one photo you can see her wearing a leg brace on her left leg. These photos came out a couple of days after her rescue, after she was initially seen to not be injured at all. The sudden addition of the leg brace seemed to be a form of damage control on her part, but that suspicion is now even heavier with there being photos of her wearing it on her right leg as well.

So which leg is it, Hannah? The left or the right?
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See picture and read more here:  http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/15452600-photos-show-hannah-anderson-faking-her-injuries

justanopinion wrote:

CuriousPortlander wrote:Photos show Hannah Anderson faking her 'injuries'
San Diego : CA : USA | Sep 04, 2013 at 6:48 PM PDT

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In one photo you can see her wearing a leg brace on her left leg. These photos came out a couple of days after her rescue, after she was initially seen to not be injured at all. The sudden addition of the leg brace seemed to be a form of damage control on her part, but that suspicion is now even heavier with there being photos of her wearing it on her right leg as well.

So which leg is it, Hannah? The left or the right?
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See picture and read more here:  http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/15452600-photos-show-hannah-anderson-faking-her-injuries

I really hope that LE still has her on the "radar" as this gets more bizarre as time goes by...

CuriousPortlander wrote:This is an interesting site:

https://www.facebook.com/TheLiesOfHannahAnderson?ref=stream

Shows this picture:  



Notice the picture is dated '94.  Hannah's father said DiMaggio didn't come into the picture until the mother was 6 months pregnant with Hannah, yet Hannah was born in '97. So it appears the father and DiMaggio knew each other 3 years before Hannah was born.

• two used condoms
  

Pianist wrote:I have a very uneasy feeling about this girl. Maybe I am too cynical but for some reason I think she was involved with the deaths of her family members and went willingly with this man. I hope I am wrong but for me she is acting "funny" and the stories seem to be conflicting.

CuriousPortlander wrote:I don't recall seeing this posted before:

Search Warrants Reveal What Was Found at James DiMaggio’s Property
Posted on August 17, 2013 by Dr KR — 27 Comments

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A news organization obtained search warrant documents that reveal a number of items found at the burned-out property of James Lee DiMaggio. They include the following:

• two used condoms
  

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See complete list here:  http://kristinarandle.com/blog/search-warrants-reveal-what-was-found-at-james-dimaggios-property/

CuriousPortlander wrote:This is an interesting site:

https://www.facebook.com/TheLiesOfHannahAnderson?ref=stream

CuriousPortlander wrote:

CuriousPortlander wrote:This is an interesting site:

https://www.facebook.com/TheLiesOfHannahAnderson?ref=stream

{snipped for space}

This site has apparently been taken down!  I found reference to another site on Facebook called HannahAndersonIsGuilty, but I can't get to that one either.

I don't have a Facebook account, so if anyone here does, I'd love to know if either of these sites are available only to other Facebook users.  TIA.