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Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10)

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Post by Freckles Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:39 pm

"....SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. (CBS 8/AP) — On Monday, a judge ordered Charles "Chase Merritt, who is accused of killing the McStay family from Fallbrook, to stand trial.

Merrit will stand trial on four counts of murder. Judge Michael Smith said there was sufficient evidence for Merritt to stand trial.

The evidence includes: Quickbook checks, DNA on trooper, and cell-phone pings. There is no physical evidence, but cell-phone pings do place Merritt near Vacaville, the area where the graves were found. ..."

Stated the 4 yr old was beaten at least 7 times... Shocked Sad


http://www.cbs8.com/story/29320642/prosecutors-to-make-case-in-death-of-family-buried-in-desert?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=11599619
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Post by Freckles Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:56 pm

McStay Family: The people vs Charles "Chase" Ray Merritt - Ongoing updates of the trial


"......Judge Michael Smith announce the evidence in #McStay is sufficient to stand trial for Chase Merritt. Trial to begin June 24, 2015.

PRELIMINARY UPDATE 6/15/15 - Afternoon: The Trooper that was said to be seen leaving the McStay home on Feb. 4 was NOT THEIR CAR, said detectives during the preliminary trial this afternoon. The car seen in the surveillance video leaving the home that evening has been ruled out to be the Isuzu Trooper

Feb 2, 2010 Chase Merritt's name added to Joseph's Quickbooks account, but not from his computer. Someone wrote checks to Merritt from Joseph's account then deleted it. Merritt cashed a $2,495 check, but didn't come from Joseph's computer. On Feb 9, someone called quick books from Merritt's cell phone, said they were Joey and tried to delete the account.

Det. Daniel Hanke of SB homicide said between Feb. 1-4, more than $11,000 in checks were written to Merritt from Joseph McStay's Quickbook account. Merritt did not deny backdating the checks written on QuickBooks account, but offered no explanation. The phone number of the man who called QuickBooks to delete the McStay accounts was Merritt's, Hanke said. When Hanke questioned Merritt about it, he said he got different stories. Hanke also said regarding Merritt's cell pinging in Victorville on Feb. 6 that Merritt said he was not in the high desert that day. Merritt's sister, who lived in Oro Grande, told detectives her brother did not visit her Feb. 6.

Detective Ryan Smith said the signatures on checks did not match Joseph McStay's signature. Evidence shows Merritt's truck was at grave.

PRELIMINARY UPDATE 6/15/15 - Morning: The Preliminary hearing started at 9 a.m. The first person up was San Bernardino Det. Hart. He spoke about what was found in the graves.

In the graves were found:
black woman's bra, Gianni's backpack, the socket end from a white extension cord, white shop towel, Joey Jr's bath towel w/ imprinted black nose and whiskers, small sledge hammer.

The male remains had an extension cord wrapped around neck and tied in a knot and a white woven blanket wrapped around him and secured by red tie-down. Blue painter's tape wrapped in towel in one of graves.

Medical examiner ruled at least 3 of four members were killed with small sledgehammer found with bodies, fourth member undetermined.

Det. Bachman stated:


Joseph McStay received fractures to his head, leg and rib and was hit in the head four times.

Summer had multiple fractures, including fractures to her jaw, and frontal bones of her skull. Her cause of death was determined to be blunt force trauma to the head.

The toughest to hear is the fate of their two son's.

Gianni was found to have "at least seven blows to the head," and Joseph Jr. has had no definitive cause of death but Bachman believed that he died of blunt force trauma to his head, like the other members of his family.

Det. Joseph Steers stated Joseph was wrapped in a tan, heavy woven material matching that of the missing Futon cover from #McStay home, Steers said. "Items found in #McStay family graves, including paint stains, tape and clothing, came from McStay home."

Paint found on bra belonging to Summer McStay and had white paint stain the same as white paint on sledge hammer, and Joseph McStay's pants had paint, and sledge hammer had white paint on sledge hammer.

Two sets of tire tracks were found: 73" in width and the other set measured 76" in width. Wider than the 67" Michael McStay first told social media. This discrepancy could be because of where the measurements were taken. Inner wheel to inner wheel instead of outer wheel to outer wheel.

Det. Dugal stated: Merritt consented to a DNA swab. He spoke of the McStay's in past tense. He said he last saw Joseph on Feb 4, 2010 at the Chic-fil-a restaurant. In Feb. 2010, Merritt drove a 1999 Chevy 3500 pickup and DNA swabs were pulled from Trooper's steering wheel and gear shift, radio and heater controls. Merritt said he rode in the Trooper but never drove it....."

Lengthy timeline:
http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2015/02/mcstay-family-people-vs-charles-chase.html
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Post by Freckles Mon Jun 15, 2015 7:59 pm

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Post by Freckles Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:01 pm

From 2/19/15:

"....Judge Smith told Merritt that he could print out pages of discovery himself.

The Judge Smith is also looking for the doctor's referral that states that he was okay to act as his own attorney. Merritt said he went to a doctor and he said he was "good to go," but Judge Smith said he never received anything so he was ordering the doctor's approval to be submitted to the court.

Lastly, Judge Smith appointed David Call as Merritt's advisory counsel. He even is allowing him to bring his laptop to jail with him, when he is talking with Merritt. ...."

http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2015/02/mcstay-family-people-vs-charles-chase.html
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Post by CuriousPortlander Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:22 pm


Wow!

Sounds like they have a lot more evidence against him than I thought.

Thank you all for the updates!

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Post by CuriousPortlander Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:38 pm

Alessandra_Deux wrote:Cathy ‏@courtchatter  · 49m  
So #CharlesMerritt told Detectives early on that he NEVER drove #McStay vehicle. Now we learn his DNA is on steering wheel, gear shift, etc.


Shea Johnson ‏@DP_Shea  · 28m  
Michael #McStay walks by me in courthouse, says under breath: "That's about as open and shut as you're going to get."


Teri Figueroa ‏@TeriFigueroaUT  · 47m 
FBI agent says Chase Merritts cell phone pinged off nearest towers to #McStay grave sites two days after  family disappeared.


Paul Krueger ‏@pkruegernbcsd  · 53m 
In #McStay family murders, FBI agent says suspect Chase Merritt's phone linked to calls made in area where bodies were found #NBC7


David Gotfredson ‏@DavidCBS8  · 1h
#Mcstay prelim: FBI agent Kevin Boles takes stand as witness #7.  His being questioned about cell phone tracking records.


Teri Figueroa ‏@TeriFigueroaUT  · 1h  
This is first mention I can recall that Merritts DNA found in #McStay trooper, found four days after family disappeared.


Joe Nelson ‏@SBcountyNow  · 1h  
Trace DNA from gearshift handle of #McStay Isuzu Trooper also matched that of #ChaseMerritt, Bachman said.


Tom (T.J.) Wait ‏@CBSLATom  · 1h  
Merritt trial: Merritt's DNA was found on steering wheel and other controls in the McStay's vehicle that was found abandoned #McStay


Joe Nelson ‏@SBcountyNow  · 1h  
DNA taken from McStay's Isuzu trooper found abandoned at Mexican border matched that of #ChaseMerritt, Bachman said. #McStay


Paul Krueger ‏@pkruegernbcsd  · 2h
Detective: murder suspect Chas Merritt talked about #McStay family in "past tense" when questioned, which made detectives suspicious. #NBC7


Joe Nelson ‏@SBcountyNow  · 2h  
Joseph #McStay was wrapped in a tan, heavy woven material matching that of the missing Futon cover from #McStay home, Steers said.


David Gotfredson ‏@DavidCBS8  · 2h
#Mcstay prelim: Mike told cops he though Merritt acted suspicious when they checked out the home Feb 15, Merritt did not touch anything.


Shea Johnson ‏@DP_Shea  · 2h  
After 3 law enforcement testimonies, prosecutors yet to unveil any evidence against Merritt. But it's early. 15 min recess. #mcstay


More ...

https://twitter.com/hashtag/mcstay

(BBM)  Sheriff Gore's office was still in charge of this case at that time (4 days after they disappeared), right?  So how the heck did they miss that fact?  The car ends up at the US/Mexico border, and has Merritt's DNA on the steering wheel and gear shift, and they thought the McStays went there voluntarily?  It blows my mind how they just disregarded evidence that didn't fit their theory. They also ignored that the dogs were reportedly left outside without food/water, and that there was food left on the counter (although these comments were in early reports, and reported on whatever show was presented on this case; I can't remember if it was a CNN special, 48 Hours...). Seems to be a pattern to their methods (Rebecca Zahau, Hannah Anderson, etc.).  Glad San Bernardino took over this case, or this guy might have gotten away with murder.
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Post by Mylife101 Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:50 pm

Hi CP,

I'm not so sure that LE missed the fact that CM's DNA was on the steering wheel of McStay's vehicle.  I'm thinking that they probably tested for the DNA but did not know who the DNA belonged to at the time. I doubt that CM would have given a voluntary DNA sample prior to being compelled to do so.  Do you know when CM submitted to the DNA sample?

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Never mind. I just read a story that implies that CM submitted the DNA fairly early in the case. If so, LE incompetence or maybe just not enough evidence at that time to make a case??? Hmm...


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Post by Mylife101 Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:53 pm

Question: The McStay's disappeared on Feb 4, 2010 but CM's phone was pinging near the gravesites on Feb 6, 2010; so, is LE speculating that CM had possession of their dead bodies for two days prior to burying them?
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Post by Alessandra_Deux Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:30 pm

Timeline: McStay Family Mystery

By  R. Stickney

~Snipped~

Jan. 28, 2010 – Someone using the McStay’s computer searched for information about travel to Mexico and passports for children days before they disappeared.

Jan. 31, 2010 - Family celebrates youngest son Joseph Jr. 3rd birthday

Feb. 4, 2010 - Joseph McStay stopped answering his cell phone according to his brother.  Summer McStay last spoke with her sister. Summer and Joseph text each other around 5 p.m.

Feb. 4, 2010, 7:47 p.m. - Surveillance camera at a neighbor's home shows family's Isuzu trooper leaving the cul de sac. Camera does not show who is in the vehicle.

Feb. 4, 2010, 8:28 p.m. - Fallbrook cellphone tower pings Joseph's phone. He makes a call to an employee in Rancho Cucamonga to talk about work.

Feb. 8, 2010 – Family’s 1996 Isuzu Trooper towed from a parking lot near San Ysidro, Calif. Security guards later tell investigators that it may have been parked there sometime between 5:30 p.m. and 7 p.m.

Feb. 10, 2010 - San Diego County sheriffs deputies conduct a welfare check on the McStay home. No signs of foul play, deputies do not go inside.

Feb. 13, 2010 - Mike McStay (Joseph's Brother) crawls inside an open window, searching for family. Finds family dogs had not been fed and food was left on the counter in the kitchen.

Feb. 15, 2010 - Family members report the entire family missing to San Diego County sheriff’s deputies

Feb. 19, 2010 – Homicide investigators searched the family’s home on Avocado Vista Lane in Fallbrook, Calif. They say there was no sign of struggle.

Feb. 22, 2010 – Deputies say the disappearance has them baffled.

Feb. 23, 2010 - Detectives notify Interpol to be on the look out for McStay family who might be traveling in Mexico.

Read more:

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Timeline-McStay-Family-Mystery-Fallbrook-Disappearance--232068061.html#ixzz3dBU9RHPT
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Post by Alessandra_Deux Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:54 pm

Mylife101 wrote:Question: The McStay's disappeared on Feb 4, 2010 but CM's phone was pinging near the gravesites on Feb 6, 2010; so, is LE speculating that CM had possession of their dead bodies for two days prior to burying them?

Interesting question. According to the McStay's phone records, they stopped answering their cell phones on February 4, 2010. It is quite possible that Merritt dug the graves and buried them in the desert on February 6, 2010, drove their car to San Ysidro and left it there (close to the border) to create the impression that the McStay had crossed into Mexico. Their car was found on February 8. 2010.

But ...

David Gotfredson ‏@DavidCBS8  · 4h  
People rest in #Mcstay prelim.  No witnesses for defense.  Prosecutors show no evidence showing Merritt's cell phone pinged near San Ysidro.

It doesn't mean the evidence doesn't exist. I guess we are going to have to wait until the case goes to trial, the preliminary hearing is just the tip of the iceberg.


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Post by Alessandra_Deux Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:58 pm

Artie Ojeda ‏@ArtieNBCSD  · 2h  
McStay mother: "it's been a hard day for me. It's not happy, and it's not sad. It's everything." #nbc7 #mcstay

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Post by Freckles Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:49 am

Fall brook is a small town/city.
Used to drive past it on way to San Diego.
Small town atmosphere. Friendly.
It would suit the McStay family well.
Surprised the neighbors did not have more info and concern re the welfare of the family.
Surprised the neighbors did not not report the change of activity re the pets and the boys.
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Post by Freckles Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:51 am

The LE get ANY evidence from within the home implicating the def?
I have not heard of blood, prints, upset items, etc...
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Post by CuriousPortlander Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:17 am

Mylife101 wrote:Hi CP,

I'm not so sure that LE missed the fact that CM's DNA was on the steering wheel of McStay's vehicle.  I'm thinking that they probably tested for the DNA but did not know who the DNA belonged to at the time. I doubt that CM would have given a voluntary DNA sample prior to being compelled to do so.  Do you know when CM submitted to the DNA sample?

EDIT:
Never mind. I just read a story that implies that CM submitted the DNA fairly early in the case.  If so, LE incompetence or maybe just not enough evidence at that time to make a case??? Hmm...

Thanks, Mylife. I went back and reviewed every article in this thread, and I re-watched the CNN special I had seen. Not one of them states when CM gave a DNA sample, so you may be right that they didn't have his DNA back then to match to the DNA found in the car.

"Fairly early in the case" could mean several things; he was under suspicion early on (he admits he did a polygraph test early on) but he wasn't arrested until Nov. 2014, so maybe he gave a DNA sample after his arrest. Hard to know, so I'll back off on my comment. However, after watching the CNN 2-part special, it lists several things that Gore's team overlooked.

Here are the links to that CNN special (includes some of the interview with CM):

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEdmMDFIhnE

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1nRlp_ZwEc

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Post by CuriousPortlander Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:32 am

Mylife101 wrote:Question: The McStay's disappeared on Feb 4, 2010 but CM's phone was pinging near the gravesites on Feb 6, 2010; so, is LE speculating that CM had possession of their dead bodies for two days prior to burying them?

I don't think so.  A CNN reporter asked the San Bernardino DA in the video posted below if CM could have killed the family of 4, driven 100 miles north to bury them in the desert, then driven their car 250 miles south to drop it off, and return home in time to receive the "supposed" (my word) phone call from McStay that evening?  The answer:  "Yes, and we have the evidence to prove that".



This was posted shortly after he was arrested in Nov. 2014.  The DA's statement I quoted above is towards the end.

This video also shows CM being interviewed about his polygraph test.

CM lived about 20 miles from the grave sites.  Maybe he drove by there regularly (in which case the pings prove nothing), or maybe he went back to the grave sites for some reason.  Seems to me it would be more damaging if his phone pinged from there on the 4th.  Having said that, we haven't seen the whole case they have against him, so I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by CuriousPortlander Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:41 am

Looking at the timeline that Alessandra posted (thanks, AD!), I'm now confused.  If their Trooper was seen leaving the residence at 7:47 p.m., and the call came in at 8:28, that would not have been enough time for him to drive all that distance.

So, maybe he took their bodies in his own or some other vehicle, drove them to the desert to bury them, before their Trooper was seen leaving their house.  Maybe after burying them, he went back to the McStays, took their vehicle and drove it south to dump it to throw off the investigators.  Just speculation on my part, but that could fit the timeline.
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Post by CuriousPortlander Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:48 am

Freckles wrote:The LE get ANY evidence from within the home implicating the def?
I have not heard of blood, prints, upset items, etc...

Good question, Freckles. I think that remains to be seen, but I doubt it, from what I've been researching. In the CNN special I just re-watched and (posted links for above), Patrick McStay said that when the sheriff first arrived, they didn't enter the house. They did NOT seal the house as a crime scene, and it took them 4 DAYS to get a search warrant. CM and McStay's other family members all had access to that house during that time period, so whatever evidence there may have been, it was most likely either contaminated or removed/cleaned up.

This is going to be an interesting case.


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Post by Mylife101 Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:36 am

CuriousPortlander wrote:Looking at the timeline that Alessandra posted (thanks, AD!), I'm now confused.  If their Trooper was seen leaving the residence at 7:47 p.m., and the call came in at 8:28, that would not have been enough time for him to drive all that distance.

So, maybe he took their bodies in his own or some other vehicle, drove them to the desert to bury them, before their Trooper was seen leaving their house.  Maybe after burying them, he went back to the McStays, took their vehicle and drove it south to dump it to throw off the investigators.  Just speculation on my part, but that could fit the timeline.

There was something in today's coverage that stated that it was determined that the vehicle seen leaving the cul-de-sac on surveillance camera was not the McStay's Izuzu Trooper as initially thought.  I will look for that info in the morning. For now, I have to get a little shut-eye. Sleep
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Post by Freckles Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:53 am

IIRC, while the family may have had keys to the McStay home, the brother went into the premises via a window... That was almost a week after he had last spoken with the family... Brother found the spoiled food as well as very hungry pets.

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IIRC, the brother stated he did not touch anything inside the home.
He verified the family was not present, the food left was spoiled, and the dogs were starving.
That was when a second call for "welfare check" went out...

Current testimony is indicating the family was killed in the home.
I would think there would be some evidence of a disturbance.
The tool used to batter the victims had paint on it and the paint appears to belong to the female (mother) victim.
I wonder if it was from a project of hers or some paint can with only her prints?
Dunno.

If they had been killed in the home, I would think there would be evidence.
Cracked skills and bones often bleed.
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Post by Alessandra_Deux Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:41 am

RELATED ARTICLES:

McStay murder mystery: Who is Chase Merritt?

Posted: Dec 17, 2013 5:22 PM CST
Updated: Dec 04, 2014 6:58 PM CST


By David Gotfredson, Investigative Producer

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 5 6132254_G
Chase Merritt, undated Dept. of Corrections mug shot (left); 2013 photo from Daily Mail online (right)

Days after the McStay bodies were discovered on November 11 by an off-road motorcycle rider in the desert near Victorville, Merritt was interviewed by the online tabloid, Daily Mail, which quoted Merritt as saying:

"I was the last person Joseph saw. He came to Rancho Cucamonga on February 4 to talk to me about a huge business deal we had going on in Saudi Arabia.

We met for an hour-and-a-half for lunch. He was so excited. We had the Saudi Arabian project and a few other things going on. The business had never been so good and we were looking forward to the future. He did nothing to suggest there was anything wrong or untoward.

We both left and went home and I spoke to him on the phone about two or three times on his drive back to Fallbrook, all standard business stuff. The last time I spoke to him was around 6 o'clock."


The last call from Joseph McStay's cell phone reportedly was placed to Chase Merritt's cell phone; a call Merritt claimed he did not answer.

For the past three decades, Merritt has lived in and around Los Angeles and Victorville.

According to public records, Merritt once lived in Apple Valley, Calif., about 12 miles away from the site where the McStay family was found buried in shallow graves.

Merritt also used a mailing address in Oro Grande, Calif., according to a pair of 2011 traffic citations obtained by CBS News 8. The address listed on the traffic tickets is six miles away from the McStay grave sites.

And 35 years ago, Merritt was convicted of burglarizing a house located at 15854 Kewanee in Apple Valley, Calif., just five miles away from the McStay grave sites.

Read more:

http://www.cbs8.com/story/24245580/mcstay-murder-mystery-who-is-chase-merritt

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Alleged McStay killer 1st to sound alarm

Chase Merritt, a felon with past legal troubles, called Joseph McStay his best friend. He is suspected of beating the McStay family to death.

By Kristina Davis and Teri Figueroa | 7:23 p.m.Nov. 8, 2014


Chase Merritt has been many things to Joseph McStay.

He was the business partner. The close friend. The last to see McStay alive. And the first to sound the alarm when McStay, his wife and their two young children vanished.

Now, he’s their suspected killer.

~Snipped~

He has cut a polarizing figure in the mystery all along. Some of the McStays’ closest family members, as well as sheriff’s investigators on the case early on, dismissed Merritt’s involvement, while others, including armchair detectives who have followed every twist and turn in the saga, have been quick to voice their suspicions.

San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department homicide investigators, who took over the case after the discovery of the family’s bodies there last November, said the totality of the evidence led them to Merritt. What exactly that evidence is has not yet been revealed, nor has a motive.

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His full name is Charles Ray Merritt, although court records show he’s used three other last names: Mandel, Morritt and Meredith. Besides numerous jail stays, he’s spent two stints in prison, in 1978 for a burglary conviction and 1987 for receiving stolen property, records show. None of his convictions was for violent crimes, he’s pointed out in past interviews. “I am the least violent man on the planet,” he told the Daily Mail, a British news site, in an interview last fall.

~Snipped~

“I wasn’t Joseph’s best friend, but he was mine,” Merritt said in the Daily Mail interview. “I didn’t have many people close to me, but we shared a lot. He told me a lot of things he didn’t tell anyone else.”

Read more:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2014/nov/08/merritt-mcstay-arrest-murder-business-partner/
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Post by Mylife101 Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:05 pm

Freckles wrote:IIRC, while the family may have had keys to the McStay home, the brother went into the premises via a window... That was almost a week after he had last spoken with the family... Brother found the spoiled food as well as very hungry pets.

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IIRC, the brother stated he did not touch anything inside the home.
He verified the family was not present, the food left was spoiled, and the dogs were starving.
That was when a second call for "welfare check" went out...

Current testimony is indicating the family was killed in the home.
I would think there would be some evidence of a disturbance.
The tool used to batter the victims had paint on it and the paint appears to belong to the female (mother) victim.
I wonder if it was from a project of hers or some paint can with only her prints?
Dunno.

If they had been killed in the home, I would think there would be evidence.
Cracked skills and bones often bleed.

@Freckles,

It has been said that the McStay home was sparsely furnished at the time of their disappearance/deaths because the home was undergoing some renovations, painting, etc. I believe that is where the paint traces come into play.  The sledgehammer may have transferred paint to the pant leg of Joseph McStay when his leg was struck and fractured and, perhaps, was transferred to the underwire of Summer McStay in the same manner. I am speculating on this and will have to wait for the prosecution to detail their theory about the paint.

The McStay family bodies were found wrapped in items from the McStay home. Joseph was wrapped in the futon cover and one of the boys, Joseph Jr., IIRC, was wrapped in his personal children's bath towel. It seems unlikely that the murderer would have used these items from the McStay home it the murders were not committed there, IMO.

I believe that CM had access to the McStay home and it is possible that he may have returned to the home one or more times after the murders, possibly to do a little clean up, IMO. crystal ball
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Post by CuriousPortlander Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:13 pm

Mylife101 wrote:
CuriousPortlander wrote:Looking at the timeline that Alessandra posted (thanks, AD!), I'm now confused.  If their Trooper was seen leaving the residence at 7:47 p.m., and the call came in at 8:28, that would not have been enough time for him to drive all that distance.

So, maybe he took their bodies in his own or some other vehicle, drove them to the desert to bury them, before their Trooper was seen leaving their house.  Maybe after burying them, he went back to the McStays, took their vehicle and drove it south to dump it to throw off the investigators.  Just speculation on my part, but that could fit the timeline.

There was something in today's coverage that stated that it was determined that the vehicle seen leaving the cul-de-sac on surveillance camera was not the McStay's Izuzu Trooper as initially thought.  I will look for that info in the morning. For now, I have to get a little shut-eye. Sleep

I hadn't heard that, so I'd be interested to see that article, if you can find it again. Thanks, Mylife!

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Post by Mylife101 Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:41 pm

CuriousPortlander wrote:
Mylife101 wrote:

There was something in today's coverage that stated that it was determined that the vehicle seen leaving the cul-de-sac on surveillance camera was not the McStay's Izuzu Trooper as initially thought.  I will look for that info in the morning. For now, I have to get a little shut-eye. Sleep

I hadn't heard that, so I'd be interested to see that article, if you can find it again.  Thanks, Mylife!


Shea Johnson ‏@DP_Shea · 21h21 hours ago
Detective says surveillance video showing unknown vehicle leaving McStay home Feb. 4 rules out family's Isuzu Trooper. #mcstay
https://twitter.com/DP_Shea

CP, I found this tweet and I'm still looking for which article I saw that in.
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Post by Mylife101 Tue Jun 16, 2015 3:48 pm

I know it is only fair to try CM first, but he sure the heck looks guilty based on the evidence presented, IMO.

And, it was about $$$. After learning of CM's shenanigans with McStay's QuickBooks account I am absolutely convinced that CM killed this beautiful family over money!

I wonder if McStay caught CM embezzling or if CM was just afraid that he would be caught?
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Post by Freckles Tue Jun 16, 2015 4:57 pm

Freckles wrote:http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WEHAkyRfZ9Q/VOZV-gKtN9I/AAAAAAAASnY/TwVQhUs4A6k/s1600/chasemerritkeenenginerring.tiff

Stumbled on this but could not print.
It shows a business logo the def had...
No other info on it.
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Post by Freckles Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:05 pm

Such a sad, sad thing for these little ones and the family to have had to endure. Betrayal by a friend of the family, tortured by being beaten violently to death, watching in horror as other family members are being murdered and then in great agony suffering your own death... This is sick! Sick!

I look at the pictures of that family and I see LOVE. The boys were happy, bouncy children with such glee. The parents are comfortable being a family and loving their own family unit... enjoying life and the ups and downs. Finally getting the home where they would be able to raise the children with a couple of small dogs for the boys.

God bless the parents for being the parents they were.
Destroy this monster.
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Post by CuriousPortlander Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:44 pm


Attention, please.


I started a new thread "Chase Merritt on Trial for McStay Family Murders" under Current Trials, so this one can stay where it is for the other two families listed.

Please post all comments related to Chase Merritt and the murder trial on this new thread:  

http://www.realitychatter.com/t4674-chase-merritt-on-trial-for-mcstay-family-murders#254461

Thank you!
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