Re: Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10)

by junie4justice Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:25 am

Alessandra_Deux wrote:@junie4justice:

Thank you so much for posting the update about the McStay family. What a horrible discovery. My heart goes out to their families.

You're welcome Alessandra. Took me a while to find this thread until I used the wonderful search option.

by Alessandra_Deux Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:04 am

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 15612695_SA

Remains found near site of 2009 search for missing Jamison family from Eufaula

Posted: 8:34 PM

TULSA - Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation officials say human remains have been found about three miles from where a Eufaula family disappeared in 2009.

An OSBI spokesman said deer hunters discovered the remains around 5 p.m. Friday in a mountainous area of northern Latimer County and called law enforcement officials.

Investigators found the skeletal remains of two adults and one child over a two-day search.

Officials say they did not find any clothing or other artifacts to confirm the identify of the remains, but the remains were found near where the truck of a missing Eufaula family was found in 2009.

Read more:

http://www.kjrh.com/dpp/news/state/remains-found-near-site-of-2009-search-for-missing-jamison-family-from-eufaula#ixzz2l4NwN5Ew

_________________

OSBI: Skeletal Remains Of 3 People Found Near Where Family Vanished in '09 (Video)

Posted: Nov 17, 2013 5:09 PM CST
Updated: Nov 17, 2013 5:20 PM CST

Brandi Ball, NewsOn6.com - email

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation was on the scene Sunday a few miles away where deer hunters found skeletal human remains in Latimer County.

OSBI Assistant Special Agent in Charge Gary Perkinson told News On 6 it will be a while before positive identification is made, but they appear to be partial remains of three people.

According to Perkinson, the remains were found a few miles south of Kinta, near Red Oak, where a vehicle belonging to a couple and their 6-year-old daughter was found abandoned in 2009.

Read more:

http://www.newson6.com/story/23993442/osbi-skeletal-remains-of-3-people-found

by Alessandra_Deux Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:16 am

Skeletal remains found in Latimer County

Remains found in same area as abandoned pickup truck belonging to missing Eufaula family

UPDATED 11:29 PM CST Nov 17, 2013

LATIMER COUNTY, Okla. —The skeletal remains of two adults and one child were discovered over the weekend in Latimer County, according to the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation.

OSBI acting spokesman Gary Perkinson said Saturday that deer hunters discovered the remains around 5 PM Saturday and called authorities. Since then, local and state agents have combed the rugged terrain near the town of Kinta, hoping to find for more evidence.

Perkinson said officials could not identify the remains but the bodies were found in the same area as a pickup truck which belonged to a missing Eufaula family in 2009.

Bobby and Sherrilyn Jamison, along with their daughter, Madyson, 6, disappeared in October, 2009. They had reportedly been looking to buy land in the mountainous area near Red Oak.

Read more:

http://www.koco.com/news/oklahomanews/around-oklahoma/osbi-skeletal-remains-found-in-latimer-county/-/12530084/23020366/-/o4afra/-/index.html#ixzz2l4R9bpNV

by Alessandra_Deux Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:33 am

FIND THE JAMISONS
10 hours ago near Oklahoma City, OK.

ITS WITH A BROKEN HEART THAT I REPORT, SPOKE WITH AN OSBI AGENT EARLIER WHO WANTED CONTACT INFO FOR COLTON, SHERILYN JAMISONS SON. HE LATER CALLED TO TELL ME THAT HE DID MEET WITH COLTON AND HIS FATHER AND TOLD HIM OF THE TWO ADULT AND ONE SMALL CHILD REMAINS FOUND YESTERDAY JUST 2 MILES NORTH OF WHERE THIER TRUCK WAS FOUND 4 YEARS AND ONE MONTH AGO, TODAY. NOT REALLY SURE WHAT IM FEELING. ONE MINUTE, IM SOBBING, THE NEXT IM IN A FOG. I WAS SURE MADYSON WAS ALIVE OUT THERE SOMEWHERE.... I WAS WRONG. EXPECT MORE FROM ME ON THIS LATER, JUST CANT REALLY HANDLE IT RIGHT NOW.

https://www.facebook.com/FINDTHEJAMISONS

by Alessandra_Deux Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:50 am

OSBI investigating three bodies discovered in Pittsburg County

Posted: Nov 17, 2013 5:41 PM CST
Updated: Nov 17, 2013 6:07 PM CST
Posted by: Austin Prickett, Assignment Editor
By: Phil Cross, Investigative Reporter

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 23993567_BG1

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 23993567_BG1

QUINTON - The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation is investigating after three bodies were discovered in a grave near Quinton, Oklahoma in rural Pittsburg County.

The location of the grave was just a few miles from Panola mountain. That's the site where the Jamison family's truck was found abandoned four years ago.

Family and friends of the Jamisons say investigators told them the bodies were of two adults and one child. Bobby and Sherilynn Jamison and their daughter Madyson were last seen near Red Oak Oklahoma in 2009.

The Latimer County Sheriff, whose county has the original missing persons case, confirms bodies were found but said the OSBI is in charge of the case.

Read more:

http://www.okcfox.com/story/23993567/osbi-investigating-three-bodies-discovered-in-pittsburg-county?fb_action_ids=10202815513212922&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_ref=.UolX-btZCLk.like&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210202815513212922%22%3A539612786131195%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210202815513212922%22%3A%22og.recommends%22%7D&action_ref_map=%7B%2210202815513212922%22%3A%22.UolX-btZCLk.like%22%7D

by Ann - Tx Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:12 am

Skeletal remains found in Latimer County could be missing Eufaula family, OSBI says

Deer hunters found the skeletal remains of three people Saturday afternoon in Latimer County. OSBI agents are investigating whether the remains belong to the Jamison family that went missing in the area in 2009.

By Bryan Dean
Published: November 18, 2013

The Oklahoman - Oklahoma City, OK

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 W300-8a95c9b6c3968c4b26bdb5c1b0b424b5

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 W300-8a95c9b6c3968c4b26bdb5c1b0b424b5

Bobby and Sherrilynn Jamison and
their daughter Madyson, 6, of Eufaula,
were last seen Oct. 9, 2009. Their pickup
was found near Red Oak on Oct. 17, 2009,
the Latimer County sheriff's department reported.

KINTA — Investigators were trying to determine Sunday whether skeletal remains found in Latimer County belong to a Eufaula family missing since 2009.

The remains were discovered Saturday afternoon by hunters, said Gary Perkinson, assistant special agent in charge for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation.

Read more:

http://newsok.com/skeletal-remains-found-in-latimer-county-could-be-missing-eufaula-family-osbi-says/article/3905849

by Freckles Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:11 am

How bizarre is it the McStay family AND the Jamison family are found within a few days of each other?

Something is wrong with this....

by ishi Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:11 pm

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2508766/Mystery-McStay-money-Family-dead-barely-afford-rent-despite-100k-bank.html

Very interesting article....I am having a problem with copying the text so will just post the link.

by ishi Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:12 pm

Freckles wrote:How bizarre is it the McStay family AND the Jamison family are found within a few days of each other?

Something is wrong with this....

It is very strange, Freckles.

by ishi Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:13 pm

Interesting comments....

http://discussions.latimes.com/20/lanews/la-me-victorville-bodies-20131116/10

by Freckles Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:33 pm

In the McStay case:
While there were comments the family was having a tough time financially, wit the "small" home they had been living in, the family (apparently) had been saving their money and talents to purchase in Fallbrook a rather nice home. And they paid cash with substantial money left in the bank. So talk of how poor they were or how they must have been selling drugs is all smoke screen, IMO.

In the Jamison case:
Early on there had been rumors of witchcraft, evil astrology, and even drug running. There were rumors of the family being unhappy and wanting to move, answering a "Craig's list" to see some mysterious property not yet identified (although I am sure there are county records of ownerships) and the family being broke. The vehicle, however, appears relatively new; they had cellphones and @ $36,000 in cash under a seat ... which rules out meeting up with drug lords. (I do wonder if they had answered an ad to see a property, told the person they met they needed to "go get the cash " as something made them feel uneasy... )

Talk of both these families running off to Mexico makes me think something rather stinks. Both families sposedly broke.

A lot of PR smoke trying to make us the reader believe things which were far from the truth. And it was the authorities who fed the misinformation to the public. What's up with this?

With the Jamison case:
They did have dogs in the area, search parties on several occasions both on foot and horseback. Oddly, no prints or tire tracks around the vehicle... One report I read today states the bodies were found @ one mile away while another report stated they were found @ 3 miles away. So still the info is not appearing valid. Why the difference? And if that area had been searched, which I believe it had, is it possible the bodies were placed there AFTER the searches?

Edited:
Didn't the Jamison family own or were buying their home??? That would have indicated outside cash and stability....

by Freckles Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:37 pm

ishi wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2508766/Mystery-McStay-money-Family-dead-barely-afford-rent-despite-100k-bank.html

Very interesting article....I am having a problem with copying the text so will just post the link.

From headlines:

But they had $100,000 in the bank and had just bought a [b]$230,000 family hom[/b]e wrote:

From story:

But despite that, when they left the apartment, they bought a [b]$320,000 house in nearby Fallbrook [/b]and had $100,000 in the bank. wrote:

by Freckles Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:56 pm

McStay:
One does not lay out $320,000 in cash IF they are planning on skipping the country/area a few weeks later. Common sense, Sheriff Gore!

Having the cash on hand does not surprise me.
Not everyone has all the faith in banks specially after declaring bankruptcy. I doubt the drug connection but do think they were "hiding" the assets, perhaps it is as simple as putting the money aside in the proverbial sugar bowl... As for sposedly not paying the landlord: According to the newer tenant, the McStay family was in arrears. And, not surprisingly, the landlord has died. The story is too convenient. Landlord cannot be questioned so it is all hearsay, IMO.

IF the McStays HAD withheld money from the landlord, perhaps it was due to the landlord not fixing something in the rental unit.

As the McStays had come out of a bankruptcy, they would be held accountable for ANY and ALL unpaid debts for the next 7 years... they were not going to be able to run out on any debt they owed which is why I am skeptical of the "report" given by the newer tenant, the former US Marine.

by Freckles Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:03 am

McStay Family:

Good article, thought provoking questions, and an excellent financial timeline:

http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2013/11/who-killed-joey-and-summer-mcstay.html

Here we go again! For some reason, I am unable to copy and share the info from this page.

Anyone able to grab the middle section with the financial accountings?

by Ann - Tx Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:40 am

http://oudaily.com/news/2013/nov/18/ap_missingfamily/
The Oklahoma Daily -- 11/18/13

Found remains could belong to missing Oklahoma family

The Associated Press 10:00 p.m. November 18, 2013

Snipped:

The Latimer County Sheriff's Office, Haskell County Sheriff's Office, Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, FBI and the State Medical Examiner's Office searched the area, but turned up no evidence that helped identify the remains, according to a statement from the OSBI.

Snipped:

A spokeswoman for the Office of the Chief Medical Examiner said Monday that the office has received skeletal remains of two adults and one child. The office will use anthropological and, if necessary, forensic pathological methods to determine if the remains belong to Bobby Jamison, who was 44 when he went missing, and his wife, Sherilyn Jamison, who was 40 at the time of the disappearance, and their 6-year-old daughter, Madyson.

"Depending on the features of these remains and their state of preservation, identification can take anywhere from days to years," spokeswoman Amy Elliott said in a statement.

by auman58 Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:23 am

Freckles wrote:McStay Family:

Good article, thought provoking questions, and an excellent financial timeline:

http://www.missingpersonsofamerica.com/2013/11/who-killed-joey-and-summer-mcstay.html

Here we go again! For some reason, I am unable to copy and share the info from this page.

Anyone able to grab the middle section with the financial accountings?

During the 3 years the McStay's were missing, part of me felt that the McStay's met with foul play, but the other part of me didn't.; I think the latter may have been naive, and full of the childlike optimism and hope that tends to cloud my judgement.; Although the surveillance video of the family crossing the border was impossible to see who it really was, I still wanted to believe it was them and they had decided, with reasons only known to them, to begin a new life elsewhere.

But, there was one part that couldn't be ignored, that I couldn't shake, that I became aware of regarding withdrawals from Joey's bank account made through Paypal transactions.; The withdrawals were being done by one person, per Patrick and I thought it could be possible that person might have been withdrawing it and sending it to the McStay's.; We now know that probably never happened.

Here is; the transactions with the important info X'd out as compiled by Patrick:

2/6/10 #8211; Request initiated - money from bank account to paypal acct in amount of $2000.00 USD
2/9/10 - $2000 balance landed in paypal acct. bank transfer complete
2/18/10 #8211; e-check payment to XXXXXXXXX@gmail.com $3000USD. Transaction ID SRW06714LNXXXXXXX
2/18/10 = Bank account transfer initiated 2/15/10 is now complete in amt of $2000USD
2/24/10 #8211; Transfer initiated to XXXXXXXXX@gmail.com $2000USD. Transaction ID 97L9863056XXXXXXX
3/4/10 #8211; funds request from bank initiated.
3/9/10 - $2900 available from bank transfer
3/11/10 - payment for $3,000.00 USD to XXXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com sent
3/25/10 - eCheck payment of $3,445.00 USD to XXXXXXXXXXXX - Transaction ID: 4P167088KMXXXXXXX
3/25/10 - eCheck payment of $5,000.00 USD to XXXXXXXXXXXX (XXXXXXXXXXXXXX). Transaction ID: 7AG806806B4XXXXXX
3/30/10 #8211; attempted to withdraw $2000 from UBOC. Declined.
3/30/10 #8211; tried again. Denied.
5/5/10 #8211; tried again. Declined.
5/21/10 #8211; tried again. declined
6/1/10 #8211; attempted to transfer $1,000.00 USD from bank account, ending in 1738. This transfer was returned by bank on Jun. 7, 2010 for the reason - The bank account is closed.
6/1/10 - attempted to transfer $1,000.00 USD from alternate bank account, twice. This transfer was returned by bank on 6/7/10 for the reason; - There was a bank processing error.
6/1/10 - attempted to transfer $1,000.00 USD from your bank account, ending in 2784. This transfer was returned by bank on Jun. 7, 2010 for the reason - This is an invalid bank account number.
6/2/10 #8211; changed password

by auman58 Tue Nov 19, 2013 2:34 am

On Friday, police said the manner of death has been ruled homicide, however, they declined to comment on the possible cause of death, or whether the family may have been targeted by a drug cartel.

When detectives entered the family's home in 2010, they found rotten eggs on the counter and the family's two dogs in the backyard. Police later found the family's vehicle abandoned near the U.S.-Mexico border, prompting authorities to wonder whether they had crossed into Mexico.

Baker said he thinks the evidence points not to a drug cartel, but an amateur attempting to stage the crime, so it would appear to be a drug-related cartel hit on McStay and his family. He said the Isuzu Trooper found near the scene -- along with the scene at the family's home -- was staged.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mcstay-family-mystery-radio-host-international-hunt/story?id=20912439

by Alessandra_Deux Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:27 pm

EXCLUSIVE: Best friend, business partner and suspect: Man who was last person to see McStay father alive breaks his silence to reveal new clues in family's disappearance and murder

•Chase Merritt, 56, has been accused of having a hand in the disappearance nearly four years ago of the McStay family
•Broke his silence with MailOnline after family's remains were found in a shallow grave in the desert last Friday
•Says he voluntarily took a lie detector test when family left their home in a hurry in 2010
•Husband Joseph McStay called his phone at 8.28pm that night but Merritt bitterly regrets not answering because he was watching a film
•Claims wife Summer McStay was insanely jealous with 'one hell of a temper' but can't believe she played a role
•Believes there's no way the McStays would have wanted to move to Mexico
•Says 'honest guy' Joseph would never have done deal with Mexican cartels
•Fully expects to be interviewed again by detectives after bodies were found

By WILL PAYNE IN SAN BERNARDINO COUNTY, CALIFORNIA

PUBLISHED: 20:20 EST, 19 November 2013 | UPDATED: 23:06 EST, 19 November 2013

Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2510247/EXCLUSIVE-Suspect-murdered-McStay-family-mystery-disappearance-person-speak-father-alive-breaks-year-silence-hit-claims-involved.html

by Alessandra_Deux Tue Nov 19, 2013 11:48 pm

McStay Family Update: Joseph McStay's father says he suspects three people in family's 2010 disappearance, murders

By Stephanie Slifer
November 18, 2013 9:11 AM

(CBS) - The father of Joseph McStay says he has a list of three people he suspects may have had something to do with the disappearance and murders of his son, daughter-in-law and two young grandchildren.

~Snipped~

"I have exhausted and have so much information on three possible persons of interest," Patrick McStay told CBS News' Crimesider over the phone Friday. "All have a motive."

McStay says that while these three individuals are "totally separate," one of them stands out above the rest due to a long criminal history that includes charges of attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and burglary.

"He has money, was in prison... He absolutely had a motive," McStay said.

McStay says he's felt all along that multiple people were involved in the February 2010 disappearance of his son, Joseph; Joseph's wife, Summer; and their children; 3-year-old Joey and 4-year-old Gianni, from their home in Fallbrook, Calif.

Read more:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57612672-504083/mcstay-family-update-joseph-mcstays-father-says-he-suspects-three-people-in-familys-2010-disappearance-murders/

by Alessandra_Deux Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:06 am

RELATED ARTICLES:

Search for missing Fallbrook family continues

Posted: Feb 22, 2010 2:53 PM CST
Updated: Mar 09, 2010 5:39 PM CST

~Snipped~

Family members say McStay's business partner is a metal worker and welder named Chase Merritt, whose birth name is Charles Ray Merritt, age 52.

Merritt is an ex-con according to court records, who also was one of the first persons to notice the McStay's were missing.

Department of Corrections records show Merritt served time in prison for a burglary conviction in 1978. He was then sent back to prison in 1987 for receiving stolen property, according to State records.

An acquaintance who knew Merritt in the 1980s told News 8 he has a checkered past.

"I think police should look at him and anyone associated with him," the female acquaintance said. She asked not to be identified.

Reached by cell phone Monday, Merritt declined to discuss his criminal past and told News 8, "I would just prefer to have no comment to any press right now. We want to find Joseph."

Sheriff's officials say Merritt is one of several people they are speaking with and at this time he has not been named as a suspect in the case.

Read more:

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12025015

by Freckles Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:47 am

Thanks for the assist, Auman!
Much appreciate the updates, AD.

IMO, it is not looking good for the former business partner.
I have read the blurbs on the book released in Jan. 2013 and, IMO, I believe the author based his info on Merritt. Merritt seems to have adverse feelings re Summer. (I doubt she was as "insanely jealous" as Merritt is stating. Further, it is impossible for her to have killed her husband, her two young sons, and then herself; further complicating this would be Summer lugging them in/out of a vehicle
for burial and then burying herself as well. One would suspect some sort of blood evidence and perhaps a gun at the burial site.)

Curious as to what else he may tell in future weeks.

Edit: I am curious as to who took money from the McStay's bank acct and then was refused access.
If we knew who that was it would help. Not only did that person have access to security codes (perhaps a "trusted" person who helped with banking or had obtained the info from computer, etc.) but they may have been using the banks in the area.

I do think the photo of the 4 crossing the border is of the family. That however, was a false lead. They may have parked their car, walked across, met someone who drove the family back over the border, etc. Regarding passports: everyone in SoCal knows you do not have to have a passport to cross into Mexico. This was a false flag intentionally put on the computer. Not sure what McStay was doing but he was hanging out with some unsavory persons.

by Freckles Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:39 am

From the comment section:

Icare, Hesperia, United States, 1 hour ago Joseph didn't leave a message when he called me at a bit after eight. I could not have sold Joseph's business. I did his water features but our businesses were separate entities. Yes I believe Dan cave sigh gained access to Joseph's accounts through the pay pal accounts. I am not certain he stole any funds. That will have to be determined by investigators. wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2510247/EXCLUSIVE-Suspect-murdered-McStay-family-mystery-disappearance-person-speak-father-alive-breaks-year-silence-hit-claims-involved.html

by Freckles Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:42 am

And another odd one:

neighborette8, Kenosha, United States, 2 hours ago They found Bill Wheeler's (Another missing person) burned truck about two miles from the Mcstays bodies. Bill Wheeler disappeared a few months after the McStays, I find it interesting in all the possible miles of desert that two different cases would end up so close to each other. It feels like it became a dumping zone, and although Bill Wheeler has not been found, I am thinking he is out there in that desert near Victorville too. I think the person who did this to the McStay's also did this to Bill Wheeler. It seems both were in need of a handyman to help them with their properties. I am interested in the who was the first McStay painter? Did he come and do some painting, and then not show up for a while? Most people eat eggs for breakfast, so that tells me that something may have went wrong between morning and afternoon. Did the painter show up? Where did they find this guy? Craigslist? I can only hope they still have the McStay vehicle, as it may have some DNA in it. wrote:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2510247/EXCLUSIVE-Suspect-murdered-McStay-family-mystery-disappearance-person-speak-father-alive-breaks-year-silence-hit-claims-involved.html

by Freckles Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:49 am

And here is why it makes NO sense for McStay to look up info on the computer re passports:

‘He used to make regular surfing trips to Mexico with his buddies, but actually stopped a few years before he disappeared because the country was becoming too dangerous. There’s no way he would have taken the kids there. wrote:

He would have known the laws re passports...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2510247/EXCLUSIVE-Suspect-murdered-McStay-family-mystery-disappearance-person-speak-father-alive-breaks-year-silence-hit-claims-involved.html#

by Alessandra_Deux Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:06 am

JAMISON FAMILY CASE:

Mother believes religious cult is responsible for Oklahoma family's disappearance

The mother of a woman missing in southeastern Oklahoma since late 2009 said she believes a religious cult is responsible for the disappearance and now presumed deaths of her daughter, son-in-law and granddaughter.

By Andrew Knittle

Modified: November 19, 2013 at 8:55 pm • Published: November 19, 2013

KINTA — The mother of a woman missing in northern Latimer County since late 2009 said she believes a religious cult is responsible for the disappearance and now presumed deaths of her daughter, son-in-law and granddaughter.

Read more:

http://newsok.com/mother-believes-religious-cult-is-responsible-for-oklahoma-familys-disappearance/article/3906475

by Alessandra_Deux Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:46 am

Crosses Erected for McStays at Site Where Remains Were Found (Video)

9 hours ago
by John A. Moreno
Web Producer

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Doves

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Doves

Doves were released and four crosses were erected at an informal memorial for the McStays on Wednesday, Nov. 20, 2013, at the site outside Victorville where the family’s remains were found. (Credit: KTLA)

A small public memorial was held Wednesday afternoon in honor of the McStay family, a couple and their two young sons whose bodies were discovered last week in the Mojave Desert.

The family had been missing since February 2010, when they mysteriously vanished from their home in San Diego County.

Volunteers who live in the remote area northeast of Victorville where the bodies were found in a shallow grave helped Michael McStay, brother of victim Joseph McStay, in his request to erect crosses on the site.

Dozens of doves were released as Michael, his wife and the volunteers gathered.

“At least we can start the next phase in the process, Michael McStay said. “What was hidden was brought to light, out in the open, and now we can catch the individuals who did this.”

Read more:

http://ktla.com/2013/11/20/memorial-planned-for-mcstay-family-at-site-where-remains-were-found/#ixzz2lM6HFdmp

by Freckles Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:52 am

JAMISON FAMILY:

The three bodies were found near Kinta, OK. Population in 2012 was 301.
http://www.city-data.com/city/Kinta-Oklahoma.html

The family was from Eufaula, OK. Population in 2012 was 2895.
http://www.city-data.com/city/Eufaula-Oklahoma.html

Here is a google map of the area:
https://maps.google.com/maps?q=kinta,+oklahoma&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF-8&ei=WKuNUtHIItjH4AOnhYGAAw&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg

On the map, it appears the areas are very close in driving distance.
Driving distance:
" The straight distance between Kinta, OK and Eufaula, OK is 22.69 mi, but the driving distance is 31.0 mi.
It takes 37 mins to go from Kinta, Oklahoma to Eufaula, Oklahoma."

http://www.distancescalculator.com/US/distance-between-Kinta-OK-and-Eufaula-OK

They would know the area.
Why the need, then, to take the dog with them, take ALL the money with them, etc..

by Alessandra_Deux Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:53 am

Memorial held for McStay family

By Teri Figueroa 2:55 p.m. Nov. 20, 2013 Updated6:49 p.m

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Mcstay_r620x349

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Mcstay_r620x349

Family members and friends of the McStay family whose bodies were found last week in the San Bernardino County desert gathered at the site Wednesday to remember them. Crosses were placed and doves were released where the Fallbrook family's remains were found. — John Valenzuela/Los Angeles News Group

VICTORVILLE — Crosses were put up Wednesday on the remote desert site where the remains of a missing Fallbrook family were found in two shallow graves.

Attending the small ceremony north of Victorville marked the first time Mike McStay stood at the ground where his brother, Joseph McStay, sister-in-law, Summer, and two children — presumed to be the couple’s young sons — were found last week.

The discovery of their remains was “providence,” said Mike McStay, coming three years and nine months after the family vanished. He said finding them was the hand of God.

Read more:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/nov/20/memorial-held-mcstay-family/

by Freckles Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:00 am

I googled the Eufuala, OK and images came up.
This is freaky!
Sorry, I don't know how to post this image but have checked the link.

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://images.topix.com/gallery/up-5GV6CODHK8I2IVPK.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.topix.com/album/detail/eufaula-ok/DVLKRUF0S9NM7O3S&h=442&w=585&sz=66&tbnid=Q3FAuMAlfrO8XM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=119&zoom=1&usg=__i73AUWDC0tV4aGlEqH68xTPtmcc=&docid=syIt_em61qGgxM&sa=X&ei=dq6NUsb1N7ih4APwmoHABg&ved=0CFsQ9QEwCA

As much as I don't want to believe the mother's speculations, this image is freaky.
Same as above but with more page info.
http://www.topix.com/album/detail/eufaula-ok/DVLKRUF0S9NM7O3S

Precious pic of Madyson and her dog. Find it odd it is on this page. Wonder who owns the page/image?
http://www.topix.com/album/detail/eufaula-ok/ED6BUFUA8A151ELL

by Alessandra_Deux Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:25 am

JAMISON FAMILY CASE

View Larger Map

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Marker_greenA

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Marker_greenA

Eufaula, OK

Bobby and Sherrilynn Jamison and their daughter Madyson, 6, of Eufaula , were last seen Oct. 9, 2009

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Marker_greenB

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Marker_greenB

Kinta, OK

Deer hunters discovered the remains Saturday evening near Kinta, in a rugged, mountainous region.

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Marker_greenC

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Marker_greenC

Sans Bois Mountains, OK

Bobby and Sherilyn Jamison and their young daughter Madyson had been looking to purchase a 40-acre plot of land near the Sans Bois Mountains in southeastern Oklahoma when they suddenly went missing in 2009.

----------------------

Bobby, Sherilyn, and Madyson Jamison were reported missing in October 2009. Their pickup was discovered near the San Bois Mountains in Latimer County.

Hunters discovered the family’s pickup about a week later — Oct. 17 — at a remote well pad site near a 40-acre plot the family was considering buying.

Latimer County Sheriff Jesse James said the remains were found about 5 p.m. Saturday by a deer hunter.

James said the remains were found 2.7 aerial miles northwest of where the pickup was located in 2009.

(Their pickup was found near Red Oak, OK)

by Freckles Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:35 am

McStay Family case

[quote="Although Mr. McStay did not reference him by name, it is believed he is referring to Michael James McFadden, who was arrested in July 1998 and charged with attempted murder and a litany of other felonies including great bodily harm to a child: 459/460(a) PC – Burglary 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Assault 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
273.5(a) PC – Domestic Violence 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed 12022.7(d) PC – Infliction of great bodily injury on a child under the age of five … 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Assault 07/16/1999 02/25/2000 Dismissed
240 PC – Attempt to inflict violent force on another person. 07/16/1999 02/25/2000 Dismissed
245(a)(1) PC – Assault with a deadly weapon other than a firearm 07/16/1998 01/18/2000 Pled Guilty
12022.7(d) PC – Infliction of great bodily injury on a child under the age of five… 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed
422 PC – Criminal Terrorist Threat 07/16/1999 01/18/2000 Pled Guilty 664-187 PC – Attempted Murder 07/16/1998 02/25/2000 Dismissed

You will note some of the charges are from 1998, others 1999 on the anniversary date, McFadden successfully negotiated a plea agreement and only pled to criminal terroristic threats and assault with a deadly weapon other than a firearm. Both felonies."][/quote]

Given the location of the bodies, it would seem that whoever is responsible would at least want investigators to think McFadden was involved. As a self-proclaimed mountain bike “racer”, McFadden has participated in several bike events in various locations all along the Route 15 Mojave corridor. wrote:

http://blinkoncrime.com/2013/11/20/mcstay-family-murdered-will-desert-graves-yield-their-killers/

It is disgusting how many of these arrests were later dismissed.
I am not accusing this person of anything BUT this does not look good.

by Freckles Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:49 am

Jamison case
From comment scetion:

Mion Says: November 19, 2013 at 9:29 pm | Reply I don’t know about the Jamisons succumbing to the elements. I just looked up the weather archives for Stigler, OK (40 minutes from where the Jamisons disappeared) on 10-8-2009 and the average temperature was around 72ºF. Highest was 86º, lowest was 56ºF. It was overcast that day, with heavy rain between 9:55PM and 11:55PM. There’s NO it was the weather that did it. So what did? I can’t think of anything else besides them getting attacked by animals or getting injured in a really nasty fall (but I don’t know if there are any cliffs or anything in that area). wrote:

http://charleyross.wordpress.com/2013/11/19/foul-play-not-suspected-in-oklahoma-deaths/

The water tower where pics were taken... it probably could be seen from a distance. IIRC, their vehicle was located near it. IF lost they would have been able to find their way by using the tower as a marker...

by Freckles Thu Nov 21, 2013 11:59 am

AD

Flat Top Lease Rd, where item C is shown, branches off to Lower Three Knobs Trail . There appears to be a residence or business there. That is close to id marker C from the map.

http://www.realitychatter.com/t2049p50-missing-families-jamison-10-09-szczepanik-12-09-presumed-deceased-son-found-deceased-mcstay-2-10#230452

by Alessandra_Deux Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:56 am

Kin to killers of family found dead in desert: 'You guys are cowards'

By Randi Kaye and Greg Botelho, CNN

updated 3:38 PM EST, Thu November 21, 2013

California family deaths still unsolved

Victorville, California (CNN) -- Mike McStay has come to this remote swath of Southern California desert to say goodbye.

To his brother, Joseph McStay. His sister-in-law, Summer. His two nephews, 4-year-old Gianni and 3-year-old Joseph Jr. All four ended up here, in an unincorporated area north of Victorville, in a pair of shallow graves, for reasons no one has been able to explain.

There's no bringing them back. But Mike McStay promises they will get justice, once their killers are found.

"You guys are cowards," he said. "And all of America is coming after you. And we're going to find you. And we're going to prosecute you."

Read more:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/20/us/california-family-killed/index.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+(RSS%3A+Most+Recent)

by Alessandra_Deux Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:04 am

JAMISON FAMILY CASE

View Larger Map

Map Showing Terrain

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Marker_greenA

Eufaula, OK

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Marker_greenB

Kinta, OK

Panola Mountain, OK

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Marker_greenD

Red Oak

The family's white pickup was found on Panola Mountain, near Red Oak.

Authorities say, the Jamison's were out looking at 40 acres of land near Red Oak . ... Hunters on four wheelers found the truck near Panola Mountain.

-----------------------

QUINTON - The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation is investigating after three bodies were discovered in a grave near Quinton, Oklahoma in rural Pittsburg County.

The location of the grave was just a few miles from Panola mountain. That's the site where the Jamison family's truck was found abandoned four years ago.

http://www.okcfox.com/story/23993567/osbi-investigating-three-bodies-discovered-in-pittsburg-county?fb_action_ids=10202815513212922&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_ref=.UolX-btZCLk.like&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210202815513212922%22%3A539612786131195%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210202815513212922%22%3A%22
og.recommends%22%7D&action_ref_map=%7B%2210202815513212922%22%3A%22.UolX-btZCLk.like%22%7D

(Quinton is located in northeastern Pittsburg County near Kinta southeast of Eufaula Lake.)

The news by different media sources that were published immediately after OSBI announced that three bodies were discovered in Latimer County by deer hunters clearly stated that the skeletal remains were found in a grave.

by Freckles Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:04 am

Jamison Case:

AD:
Using the different maps leaves me a bit confused.
On one of the maps, would you identify where the pickup truck was last seen and where the bodies were found?Was the truck located at C and the bodies were found at B?

Because the bodies were found in grave(s) it is obvious this is murder and not accident. I am speculating now the last known pic of the child .... that pic was taken by cell phone BUT the phone was found in the truck. So whoever took the pic returned the cell phone to the truck before locking the truck doors... They then "swept" the area of footprints and of tire tracks.

Just recently I learned the truck had apparently been turned around to face leaving the area...

by Freckles Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:06 am

AD
Have you read or have info re the dates/time stamps of the pics?
I am curious as to the time of day the family was in the area...
Because it is mountainous and it is October, the shadows would grow long earlier in the day...

by Freckles Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:09 am

Jamison Case:

From earlier link:

http://www.okcfox.com/story/23993567/osbi-investigating-three-bodies-discovered-in-pittsburg-county?fb_action_ids=10202815513212922&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_ref=.UolX-btZCLk.like&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map={%2210202815513212922%22%3A539612786131195}&action_type_map={%2210202815513212922%22%3A%22

OSBI says the remains are of two adults and one child, and because they were found about three miles from where Bobby Jamison's abandoned car was left four years ago, it has notified the Jamison family. wrote:

by Freckles Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:42 am

AD==
Someone must have changed the story.
Nothing is mentioned re a grave.

QUINTON - The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation is investigating after three bodies were discovered in a grave near Quinton, Oklahoma in rural Pittsburg County. The location of the grave was just a few miles from Panola mountain. That's the site where the Jamison family's truck was found abandoned four years ago. http://www.okcfox.com/story/23993567/osbi-investigating-three-bodies-discovered-in-pittsburg-county?fb_action_ids=10202815513212922&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_ref=.UolX-btZCLk.like&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210202815513212922%22%3A539612786131195%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210202815513212922%22%3A%22 og.recommends%22%7D&action_ref_map=%7B%2210202815513212922%22%3A%22.UolX-btZCLk.like%22%7D wrote:

by Freckles Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:46 am

McStay Family Case:

Freckles wrote:And another odd one:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2510247/EXCLUSIVE-Suspect-murdered-McStay-family-mystery-disappearance-person-speak-father-alive-breaks-year-silence-hit-claims-involved.html

Was Bill Wheeler an intended victim for the 4th grave?
Was he connected to the McStay family?

by Alessandra_Deux Fri Nov 22, 2013 7:53 pm

Disappeared 02x10 - Paradise Lost - The Jamison family

43 min - Apr 20, 2012

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImJbfVTu2kQ

by Alessandra_Deux Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:30 pm

Freckles wrote:AD
Have you read or have info re the dates/time stamps of the pics?
I am curious as to the time of day the family was in the area...
Because it is mountainous and it is October, the shadows would grow long earlier in the day...

Hi Freckles,

I'm trying to find more information on this case; timelines, date/time stamps on the pictures, surveillance videos, etc.

There are some interesting details and pieces of information about the case in these (blogs) websites:

http://keepthesearchalive.wordpress.com/2012/01/12/missing-jamison-family/

http://kjhusak.hubpages.com/hub/WhatReallyHappened

by Alessandra_Deux Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:41 pm

Exclusive Video inside the Missing McStay Family home. Part 1

Steph Watts

Published on Nov 14, 2013
In March 2010, shortly after the entire McStay family vanished from Southern California, I along with Tim Miller from Texas Equusearch, were met by Mike McStay, the younger brother of Joseph McStay to try to piece together what happened to his brothers family. Joseph, along with his wife, Summer, and their 2 children, Gianni, 4, and Joseph, 3. vanished from their home Feb 4th and have not been seen or heard from since. We were joined by Kenneth Aranda, the younger brother of Summer, who flew in from Hawaii, where he lives. They allowed us inside the McStay family home. The brothers then take us to the location where the family's car was found — just minutes from the Mexican border — all in hopes of digging up answers as to what happened to the McStays.

More Exclusive video inside the Missing McStay family home Part 2

Steph Watts

Published on Nov 14, 2013
This is part 2 of my exclusive tour inside the home of the McStay family. Joseph McStay along with his wife, Summer, and their 2 children, Gianni, 4, and Joseph, 3, vanished from their home Feb 4th and have not been seen or heard from since. We were joined by Kenneth Aranda, the younger brother of Summer, who flew in from Hawaii, where he lives. They allowed us inside the McStay family home. Joe's brother Mike, and Summer's brother Kenneth band together and take us to the location where the family's car was found — just minutes from the Mexican border — all in hopes of digging up answers as to what happened to the McStays. PLEASE NOTE' This video is UNEDITED. i want you to come into the investigation without cutting anything out. All copyrights belong to stephwatts @ wattsnewentertainment.com

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBKWs5kta0bpTsXTY2OYhEg/videos

by Alessandra_Deux Sat Nov 23, 2013 12:39 am

EXCLUSIVE: Police investigate mystery 'digger' track marks found at McStay family desert grave site 'left by killer who had local knowledge' as victim's brother insists 'everyone is a suspect'

. Old track marks 67 inches apart found at site where the skeletal remains of McStay family were found in California desert - 100 miles from family home they vanished from in 2010
. Joseph McStay's brother, Michael, tells MailOnline he's convinced killer had local knowledge
. There is quarry nearby so sight of a digger would not be out of place
. A shooting range is down street too - so sound of gunshots is commonplace
. Michael says everyone is a suspect and he expects to be quizzed again
. Family held emotional memorial at grave site yesterday on and sang happy birthday to Joseph on the day he would have turned 44
. Close friend Chase Merritt who has been accused of having a hand in their disappearance broke his silence with MailOnline after family's remains were found last Friday

By WILL PAYNE IN VICTORVILLE, CALIFORNIA

PUBLISHED:11:14 EST, 21 November 2013| UPDATED: 12:03 EST, 21 November 2013

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Article-0-198F6EF600000578-498_306x423

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Article-0-198F6EF600000578-498_306x423

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Article-0-198F289800000578-722_306x423

Clue: Joseph McStay's brother informed detectives of these track marks - 67 inches apart - near the grave sites. He believes they were made by a small earth moving digger used possibly by the murderers

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Article-0-1971DC8000000578-419_634x357

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Article-0-1971DC8000000578-419_634x357

Knowledge: Michael claims the killer would have known the local area. A quarry and shooting range are nearby - so the use of a digger or the sound of gunshots would not have been out of place to witnesses

Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2511190/Mystery-digger-track-marks-McStay-family-grave-site.html#ixzz2lXW44gjN

by Alessandra_Deux Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:13 am

Remains confirmed to be McStay children

By Teri Figueroa 5:07 p.m.Nov. 22, 2013

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Mcstaykids_r620x349

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Mcstaykids_r620x349

Gianni (on top) and Joseph McStay Jr.

The remains of two children found in shallow graves in the Mojave Desert on Nov. 11 are the young sons of Joseph and Summer McStay, authorities said Friday.

DNA testing confirmed what San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said investigators already believed: The skeletal remains belonged to Gianni, 4, and Joey Jr., 3.

The California Department of Justice notified the Sheriff’s Department of the results about 3:30 p.m. Friday.

Read more:

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/nov/22/gianni-joey-mcstay-sons-identified-dna-test/

by Alessandra_Deux Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:41 am

PHOTO GALLERY

Photos: Skeleton remains found in graves in desert north of Victorville

San Bernardino County Sheriff detectives investigate a scene off of Quarry Road, near Interstate 15, in the desert north of Victorville Wednesday morning November 13, 2013 after multiple skelton remains were found. The investigation is on going. (Will Lester/Inland Valley Daily Bulletin)

http://photos.dailybulletin.com/2013/11/photos-skeleton-remains-found-in-graves-in-desert-north-of-victorville/

by Alessandra_Deux Sun Nov 24, 2013 6:41 pm

JMO

It is more likely than not that the remains of two adults and one child that were discovered over a week ago in Latimer County are belong to Bobby and Sherilyn Jamison, and their 6 year old daughter Madyson.

I wonder why we haven't heard anything yet about the identity of the skeletal remains.

There is stark contrast between the manner in which the California authorities and the Oklahoma authorities are handling the discovery of the remains of these two families.

Within a few days from the time the skeletal remains of two adults and two children were found in Victorville, CA, the San Bernardino County Coroner identified the remains as Joseph and Summer McStay through their dental records, less than a week later the remains of the two children were identified through DNA tests.

The Jamison family mysteriously disappeared four months before the McStays vanished without a trace, I have read reports stating that it might take months, or even years, for the skeletal remains that were found in Latimer County, Oklahoma, to be identified.

An off-road rider on Monday noticed bones exposed in the desert about 50 yards off a dirt road near Stoddard Wells Road, north of Victorville. The graves may have been disturbed by animals digging in the desert, according to authorities.

San Bernardino County Sheriff John McMahon said the two graves were one to two feet deep in a remote stretch of the desert, but still visible from Interstate 15.

The Latimer County Sheriff stated that the three skeletons were found together. I'm wondering what are the conditions of the skeletal remains.

We haven't been able to see any pictures of the scene of the crime in Oklahoma, no even one picture showing yellow tape surrounding the area where the remains were found has been published, where are the FOIA request from the media to have the pictures released to the public, other than the Police brief that followed the discovery of the remains, there haven't been other reports.

There has been a lot of speculation about the disappearance of both families; drug cartels, witness protection programs, financial problems, marital problems, murder/suicide, wichtcraft (involving the Jamison), but the media coverage is completely different in these two cases.

The media can be a double adged sword, however, in many instances it can be a very powerful tool to raise awareness and to put pressure on the authorities to conduct an open and thorough investigation.

by Alessandra_Deux Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:48 pm

Missing Families -- Jamison (10/09), Szczepanik (12/09 - Presumed Deceased, Son Found Deceased), McStay (2/10) - Page 2 Family_photo_16

The Jamison Family

Bobby, Sherilyn, and Madyson.

by Alessandra_Deux Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:57 pm

Entire family vanishes: Killed by violent cult?

By HLNtv.com Staff
updated 8:04 PM EST, Mon November 25,

•Jamison family last seen alive in 2009
•Deer hunter finds skeleton remains where police found the family’s abandoned pickup truck
•Mother of missing woman believes cult is responsible for the missing family’s possible deaths

The mother of a woman who vanished with her husband and 6-year-old daughter believes a religious cult is responsible for their disappearance and deaths.

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2013/11/25/entire-family-vanishes-killed-violent-cult

by Alessandra_Deux Wed Nov 27, 2013 1:42 am

NANCY GRACE

Aired November 25, 2013 - 20:00 ET

GRACE: Live tonight, under investigation, to Red Oak, Oklahoma. An entire family of three disappears, vanishing into thin air. Tonight, are they victims of a cult?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A lot of sleepless nights not knowing where they were or what happened to them.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They were up here looking for property when they disappeared.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The FBI, OSBI and several other state agencies are all working on the case.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Arla Jamieson (ph) says she suspects they did not simply get lost.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Something happened. All of their things, their cell phones, their cameras -- everything was in the truck.

~Snipped~

GRACE: Right. Everybody, you are taking a look at the Jamison family. The young girl, Madison, just 6 years old. Parents, Bobby and Cherilyn. We are taking your calls. With us, cult expert Rick Ross.

Rick, Cherilyn`s mother is convinced a cult is responsible for the family`s disappearance. What do you think?

RICK ROSS, CULT EXPERT: Well, Nancy, in my experience, and I`ve dealt with families struggling with a cult problem for many years. They -- the family would know the name of the group. They would know the name of the leader. And when families have a problem with a particular cult, they can identify that cult, and the mother`s kind of ambiguous reference to would- be Satanic cult, it`s not very specific, and the idea that there would be Satanic cult activity in one particular part of Oklahoma, you know, it isn`t specific enough. It`s vague, and it seems to me --

GRACE: But is their disappearance, is it consistent with a cult activity for the whole family to just disappear and no one knows what happened?

ROSS: No. Nancy, that is absolutely not consistent with a family dealing with a cult. There would be a process of family estrangement, there would be knowledge of the family of the cult group, and the entire family disappearing like that, it isn`t consistent with my experience dealing with cults.

~Snipped~

GRACE: Welcome back. An entire family goes missing. Red Oak, Oklahoma. Take a look. There`s mom, dad and baby girl. It is Bobby, Sherylin and Madison Jamison. On their home when they disappeared spray painting was found in apparently Satanic language. Take a look at mom. Her family insists a cult was involved in the family`s disappearance.

Out to special guest joining us tonight. Marc Klaas. President and founder of Klaas Kids Foundation. Mark, what do you make of the claim a cult is responsible for this family`s disappearance?

MARK KLAAS, KLAAS KIDS FOUNDATION: Well, I think that your last guest made a great analysis, and I think if that were true, there would be some kind of -- there would be some telltale signs as to who that cult was and there don`t seem to be any.

I`ll tell you what I think is much more possible. Now, as I understand it, he was -- he had been spending quite some time looking for land in that area, and that there was a considerable amount of money with them when the truck was found. So I suspect that the possibility exists they were just scouting locations for land to purchase, and at some point came upon a criminal enterprise. Either a pot farm or a meth lab, and they were simply killed to hide that evidence.

Read more:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1311/25/ng.01.html

by Sponsored content