Kyron Horman -- Missing 6/4/10 #1

I agree that convicted is a harsh word and the harsh reality is that this is exaclty what is happening.. Many fo us are prematurely convicting.. there is no other word for it... I do understand that many ppl who are "convicting" her are airing their opinions which is essentially what boards are for...and unfortunately influening LE and the media.. I will say that this practice shud not be happening however it is only bloggers who can recognize this shoddy workmanship and take responsibility for what they say...

I am airing mine too, by asking that ppl be aware of the potential danger inflicted by airing biased conviting opinions against a person who you said yourself, has absolutley no evidence to bak up these opinions...

Convicting is a harsh word with very serious represussions and I dont think that ppl are aware of how damming they are..

Im not sure what other word cud have been used in place of convicting as you said yourself, (something along the lines of ....for now you are suspecting Terri did it...and all youyr comments have been clear in your suspicions...
and very quickly after the stroy broke..

Although i find it sad that the media and LE look to the bloggers for their answers and hypothesis, and opinions...it is happening.. We have seen many investigations that the bloggers/media/LE are all entangled (blinfd leading the blind) but its happening..

Whan there arent any good reasons to suspect someone (surely if she did it some evidence wud have been out by now) and we havent heard of any and there arent any arrests.. We have heard LE admit on Saturday that they cant say for sure that a stranger abduction didnt take place...

On account of that statement, was made.. it is very telling.. As long as they can say that, they are admitting that there must not be any evidence against anyone to suggest involvement..

On account of that I guess my hope is that the majority of ppl, wud assess these victims families with innocent until proven guilty, but it isnt happening much anymore.. I fear if we dont start going bak to that prac tice we are going to have many innconet ppl holding the bag and sitting in jail for something they didnt do, along with perps having more and more freedom to commit these kind of acts..

Scott Peterson reported Laci missing on Dec 24, and Amber Frey spoke with Officer Richard Byrd on Dec 26... this was also a case where there was no longer a significant other to speak up and admity she didnt know of the affair... In this case there is still a husband who is standing by Terri...

You also say that you feel that a perp taking him is unlikley...

Do you admit that perps have successfully taken away children in the safest places?

Do you admit that innocent ppl have been wrongly convicted becasue of LE's narrow mindedness where they cudnt see past the last known person who was seen with the victim?

Do you know that many many crimes take place after the last known person has been with the victim?

We should all start worrying about not being alone with anyone... it is getting pretty scary to think that crimes against our children seem to be happening more often and the families are being helds accountable..

Most crimes where there are ppl who kill their step child/child admit it and are caught red handed... they leave evidence all over the place as they arent professional... or someone sees them, etc..

These stranger abductions that are happening where kids are being taken are not consistent with the child beaters and sick parents who kill their kids and call 911...

The cases like Kyrons is ery similar to Haleighs, ELizabeth Smart, Jessica, and Polly's...

As long as we keep instantly incriminating the families..we are only enabling the perps like Cooey, and Brian David Mitchell, Richard Allen Davis, Alejandro Avila, and so many others who are so ARROGANT to come into the homes of our kids and take them...

And we have to pray for 14-year-old Elvia Flores WHO WAS BOLDLY AND ARROGANTLY KIDNAPPED FROM HER SCHOOL on Apr 12, 2010.....

How many other cxases have happened where kids have been taken from schools and their beds.. We need to wake up and start realizing that these crimes arent as infrequent as many of us think...

As long as we keep looking to the families in this type of case, we are continiuing to support THE PIGS, who are becoming so agressive and arrogant that they are coming into ourt schools and homes..with a good idea that they wont get caught if no one sees them and if remains arent found.. Why wudnt they go to the landfils??? Apparantly they dont get checked either WTH????????? is going on in our world.. ?

aj, I didn't say it was unlikely a stranger or sex offender took Kyron. In fact, I've said it is possible.

One thing that I haven't seen clarified is that Terri left Kyron at 8:45, it is stated that Kyron was last seen at 9am. Who saw Kyron at 9am? Was that Tanner? Would Tanner have noted what time it was? LE has to determine and verify the whereabouts of all of them.

When they sent out the questionnaire last week with pictures of Terri, the white truck and Kyron, I felt they were trying to determine proof of the time that Terri actually left the school and if Kyron was with her. In doing that, it seemed to point to Terri in a negative way, IMO. But that can also prove she left when she said she did if there was a witness that saw her, so it works both ways. Obviously, there are many details LE will not release and many questions with no answers.

Here is the flyer/questionnaire MissMonkey posted on a previous page if you missed it. They were to be completed and dropped off at the school Sunday June 20th between 9am and 7pm, a uniformed police officer was there to receive them. I am anxious to see if they received any new leads or information once those were reviewed and compiled. I want to see Kyron come home, safe and unharmed.

http://www.koinlocal6.com/media/lib/107/3/d/c/3dcca2c3-d546-4293-90bf-f033c2671a43/061410.SchoolQuestionnaireadobe.hm.pdf

Experts Won't Say Kyron Horman's Stepmother Investigation's Focus as Questionnaires Returned, Second Polygraph Administered

Although Investigators Are Being Careful, Many Believe Investigation is Focusing on Terri Moulton Horman

Published June 21, 2010

Multnomah County investigators in the Kyron Horman case are expecting the return of most or all of thequestionnaires passed out with fliers on Friday (or downloaded online), hoping that the pictures of Terri Moulton Horman, Kyron's stepmother, and the white Ford F250 truck might spark memories that could potentially lead to locating the missing second-grader. The Oregonian reported that authorities noted when they launched this latest phase in the search for the missing boy that they weren't attempting to single out Terri Moulton Horman, but she was the last person known to have seen Kyron Horman on the day of his disappearance. Her connection to the case and to the time when the child went missing made it necessary to include her in the questions. But experts believe authorities are focusing on Terri Moulton Horman as a suspect.

Former federal prosecutor Laurie Levenson told CBS News, "We don't really have any hard evidence yet that she is responsible for the boy going missing, but all of the investigation seems to be keying in on her." She added that investigators seemed to be "keying in on who they believe is responsible."

In addition to the questionnaires, Terri Moulton Horman submitted to a second polygraph test. A friend told The Oregonian that Horman was "tired and frustrated with the intensity of the questioning she's been getting." She also said Horman wasn't "happy" about having to take Saturday's polygraph test.

When asked if there was any significance in Terri Moulton Horman's second polygraph test, former FBI profilerClint Van Zandt told the "Today Show" that having people closely associated with the case and/or the victim brought in multiple times for questioning was standard. He noted that as more information became available, investigators would need to clarify aspects of their case, ask individuals to clarify or explain. He said he wouldn't read too much into the second polygraph, although it appeared that Multnomah County officials were probably attempting to solidify Terri Moulton Horman's timeline for the day Kyron Horman went missing.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5509820/experts_wont_say_kyron_hormans_stepmother.html?cat=8

Piper,

The first timeline that was said was where they said he was last at 9...

It was 2 a few days later where the grandmother of Tanner came out and said it was late morning..

On account that LE have said that they didnt want Tanner's family to talk in the first place.. and they want to discount Tanners account because he referred to the adult as a substitute teacher.... I doubt they will change the timeline

I think they did the truck for the reason you point out (trying to confirm her leaving) as well as trying to stir up tips where we will likley soon here about sightings of her all over town that day...

I'm wondering something about the Science Fair maybe some of you might know...

From the picture of Kyron, it looks as if the Fair was set up in individual classrooms. So I'm wondering how many classrooms were used and where they were located...like were they all over the school?

Here's a pic of the school



and a link to some info about class sizes etc...

http://www.pps.k12.or.us/schools-c/profiles/pictures/skyline.jpg

that's a pretty small enrollment....and they've got middle school ages in there with the elementary kids.

Just the way she stares at his mother makes me feel like she knows more than she is telling. mother was distraught but not so much her. I guess time will tell! But I agree with Pat brown who was on JVM tonight Horman is their POI!

I think maybe bio mom and bio dad are bonding together to get through this terrible time, after all, this is THEIR little boy. Step mom may be jealous for their connection.

I know when my daughter was murdered, my ex and I spent lots of time together and his GF did and said some pretty nasty things to me. She was afraid we would get back together in order to take care of Kim's 2 small kids. But I had already had him, didn't want him and definitely didn't need him to take care of the kids.

If you want to talk rumors....talk is the pic of Kyron at his exhibit was taken June 3rd when Terri helped him set it up after school.

I don't know...but there sure aren't any other people looking at exhibits in that pic.

Lottie,

I think youare correct about how the science fair was set up...

In the below article.. his classmate describes how the students had gone around to different classes...

It was also reported that the school opened early that day and a billboard outside read...

"June 4, I.B. Inquiry Expo, 8-10, Talent show, 1-2:45."

On account of the special activities, clearly there wud have been lots of guests for both the IB exibit and the talent show.. Sounds like stramgers were walking all over the school and the grounds..

The article about the science fair is below...

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:foBdUVvUSb4J:www.helpfindmychild.net/kyron-horman+%22skyline+school%22+oregon+science+fair&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Eight-year-old Tanner Pumala says the first person to notice Kyron Horman was missing was a substitute teacher who was taking a head count as the second and third grade class was re-assembling after visiting other classrooms for a science fair at Skyline School last Friday.

"And she was like 'oh no where's Kyron there's only five' and Mrs. Porter was like it's okay calm down, calm down he's probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water and she said alright I'm going to leave and she left, " says Tanner Pumala.

Tanner is Kyron's deskmate in their combined second-third grade classroom. Tanner says Kyron was in school for at least an hour Friday morning and that he saw Kyron's step-mother leave the school without Kyron.

F-B-I agents interviewed Pumala, and Multnomah County Sheriff Dan Staton visited with Pumala Wednesday afternoon according to Pumala's grandmother Wendy Fuhrur.

Upon hearing the substitute teacher noticing that Kyron was not present in the classroom, Pumala says the regular teacher said Kyron had probably gone to get a drink of water or to use the bathroom. It wasn't until the bus ride home from school, says Pumala that he noticed Kyron was not on the bus. Kyron's step-mother notified school authorities of her son's not being on the bus at around 3:45pm Friday afternoon.

Pumala's grandmother says F-B-I agents and Multnomah County investigators have asked Pumala and his grandmother not to speak with the media, for reasons they did not divulge. Fuhrur says she decided to allow her grandson talk, in part to keep the missing boy in the public eye.

Separately several dozen more ground searchers arrived in Portland Wednesday night to intensify their ground search Thursday.

Reported by: Kohr Harlan, KOIN News

The PTA prez Ms. Zimmerman said that she witnessed Terri and Kyron standing in front of his exibit that morning .. She also said Kyron really loves his mom...

From the Oregonian Jun 5, 10

"Parent-led groups of about four students walked among the classrooms, said Gina Zimmerman, president of the Skyline PTA.
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I doubt that he had the same t-shirt on Jun 3 and 4th.,... must be another rumour lol....

Tiger,

Im sure not surprised that Pat Brown thinks Terri is LE's POI.. It seems pretty clear to anyone following the story (and we dont even get paid the big bucks ..lol)

It seems whenever LE have no answers, rather than do thorough investigating (like checking landfills) they sit on their duffs, and call out, and cast suspicion on the last known person to be with the victim... It seems it is working for them though.. I have not seen any bloggers discussing wehther the landfill was or wasnt checked..

Instead LE waits till they read that the majority of ppl have all crucified the last known person, and then they get social permission, if you will where they feel that they are satisfying the publics convictions and nothing gets done and the crime goes unsolved and the last known person is held hostage ... Seems like this is becoming a pattern.. Hopefully we all make some personal changes and start expecting LE to be accountable and not except their junk and lame excuses as to why they wudntt have made this criminal as soon as the 911 call was made.. Again ..were the landfills checked? We knmow how mnay remains are tossed there, yet they ignore an obvious location to search and wait 14 days before it becomes a criminal investigation.. Now they start asking for video surveillance of business who have proly recorded over it 10 times by now.. manomanoman!

Its too bad that many of LE everywhere, seem to be trained in tunnel vision.. too many cases seem to be treated this way where there are no answers ...imo this is unacceptable..

Skyline is grade K-8, correct? I hope every male student in the upper grades have been thoroughly questioned by law enforcement, not just by school personnel.

and not just the boys Piper - the older girls should be asked as well - let's not forget the Elizabeth Olten case where she was murdered by a female peer who was just a few years older than her...

So very true, everyone has to be looked at and questioned that was in that school that day. And the landfill.....that's another thing. When were the dumpsters emptied at the school?

My thoughts for the morning....

I would think the older kids should have been considered as possibly having done something to Kyron. It happens all the time.

It has been said (could be rumor) that Kyron had told his friend he was going back to look at some exhibit about electricity ( or something to do with electrical interest). I hope LE has found out whose exhibit that might have been and questioned that party.

Also, I wonder if the school was searched inside closets, supply closets and rooms like where the heating and electrical stuff is, as well as maintenance closets and other places not frequently visited. What about outside buildings?

Did they even search the school at all? A kid doesn't show up on the bus for home and he was last seen that morning at the school...seems like the school itself would have been searched immediately. OK, so if he were still at the school by now there'd be a smell, but it's possible if he'd been hidden there at first he might have been moved later..it was the weekend after all.

Does anyone know if Terri called the school first before calling 911 when Kyron didn't get off the bus?

If she did, what actions did the school take to try to find Kyron there? Or did they just tell Terri he was marked absent and blow it off? Terri called 911 @ 3:45...there were staff still at the school! What did they do to help?

If she didn't call the school first...uh oh Terri!

It seemed like it was a free-for-all that morning at the school. Kids wandering about unsupervised, and everyone assuming everyone there was good people. I hope they at least had all the outside doors locked except the main door...just in case anyone could use one of those doors to kidnap a kid out of...or in case any young kid might use one to go wandering off.

What's this about Terri having a 16 year old son who lives with his grandparents? Terri married Horman in 2003, that kid would have been only 9 then.

(rumor mill) It is being said Kyron's real mom gave him to his dad and Terri when Kyron was 3 days old because she had kidney problems and couldn't take care of him right away....she then let him stay with his dad....I haven't heard that any formal custody arrangements were ever made. Anyone know anything about this?

I wonder why Kyron's real mom didn't go see his exhibit?

Why was Kyron marked absent on June 4? Didn't any adult in charge see him at the Science Fair? Didn't his teacher hang out with her kids' exhibits? Or did she maybe see him, then assume this was the Friday Terri had told her he had a doctor's appointment (when it was really supposedly the following Friday)?

What of his backpack being in his classroom then? Why mark him absent if his backpack is there? Did his teacher just think he was coming back (from the doctor) and then something came up to change that, so she paid it no mind?

All things considered, June 4 - day of wandering kids and unaccounted-for adults, was a perfect day to 'losing a child'. Was Kyron a random selection on a planned day?

In thinking about this 'marking of absent'....not sure, but I'd wager a bet Oregon follows the same rules for collecting Federal money for kids in enrollment as they do in other states....and that rule is that the school is allotted a certain amount per child enrolled but also how much of that allotment the school gets in reality is reliant on how many days each kid is in attendance.

Schools, therefore, WANT to mark every kid Present even if they only show up for the count...because that's all they need to qualify to get paid for that kid for the day.

In light of that money issue, you'd think each classroom would have taken roll before the Science Fair began and then allowed the kids to disperse.

Something's really fishy about Kyron being marked Absent.

Lottie,

You ask many great questions....

Some, have answers some dont....

We dont know where the backpack was other than it was "reportedly" found in the classroom.. Was there a cloak room? Was it on his desk visable to anyone? Was attendance taken very late that morining (held off because of the scurrying to and from diff classrooms..)

It was said the school "opened" early that day to facility the Fair... I cant imagine only the main doors had been unlocked, and the reason is they clearly didnt have any kind of "security" protocol... I hvent seen any real pics of the schoolk however, I wud assume there are several doors facilitating different parts of the school yard/classes, where kids wud enter in different areas.. eg. gr 6-8 in one area and 3-5 in anorther and 1-3 at a different door and maybe kindergarten even has their own..

I suspect all the doors were opened and I have never seen a school with only 1 door in the infrastructure..

On account that it appears every class had their own students exhibits, we know that there were appointed chapperones where small groups of 4 were circulating around the school... it wud seem plausible that the teacher stayed behind to field any questions, and supervise their room, while visitors and other grades came to look.

I havent heard one way or another who was phoned first the school or 911... I did read that when Kyron wasnt on the bus, they searched for him (and I believe it was said they went to the school and looked around the area) and called 911.. It may or may not have included a call and a visit to the school... It is also possible that there wud not have been anyone there to answer...

I have known ppl who experienced waiting for their youngster, to exit the bus where there was no child.. I know they immediatoley drove to the school and found the child... It is always a case of the child missing the bus and the driver not taken the extra step to find out where the student is .....

Kyron's biomon Desiree Horman lives in Medford Or which is about 5 hrs away.. I also think Kyron was going to be visiting her soon, over the summer so one cud see that she may have chosen to skip this ...

There were search dogs brought to the school at the beginning of the search that afternoon by LE... I suspect if he was dead and in the school he wud have been located.. It is also said the dogs searched around the school...

On account that Tanner has recapped and recalled an entire convversation between 2 adults (Ms Porter his teacher and a "substitute teacher") (likely chaperone) ..I think there is prolly a lot of truth to what he said took place.. Tanner says that it was the substitute(lets say chaperone) who actually noticed Kyron was not there... (where Ms Porter allegedly said oh he must be at the bathrro/water...)

If this statement is true, it mud have to be assumed that he was there at some point for her to notice this and divuldge this to Ms Porter... If he had never been there with her in her group, I dont understand why she wud have made a point of telling Porter that Kyron wasnt there...

\Also, it is further alledged that this substitute/chaperpone made this comment as she was leaving/exiting from the group (im not sure if she was leaving the school or just the group)

I assume it wud have been at the time that the event (science fair browsing) was over and she was likely returning the kids to Ms Porter... The designated time for the science fair was supposed to finish at 10 am as per the bulletin board.

Even if one thought Terri may be involved, I cant see how LE want to downplay Tanners account...His account tells me that whoover took Kyron, did it after he was dropped off and left in the care of other students and teachers...

There wud be no way the substitute/chaperone wud have piped up and said that Kyron isnt there..

I also want to note that these chaperones cud have been parents/guardians/friends of any given student or friend of a teacher staff..On account that Tanner referred to this lady as a substitute tells me he wasnt farmiliar with her as to who's mom/friend she may be associated with.. Where was she going? Was she with anyone else? Was someone there to pick her up?

Im not suggesting that LE hasnt investigated her, but when I think of the lack of enthussian that LE had while they were checking Cooeys residence for Jessica Lunsford and she was in the closet fighting for her life, while LE were there "investigating" yet missed her while she was still alive and not only once but TWICE!!! Of course they had their blinders on as they were busy accusiong Jessica's gramma and giving her polygraphs (that she kept failing) and meanwhile Jessica was still alive for 3 days !!!Hopefully these guys are more thorough... something tells me otherwise though!

It's my understanding that Terri called the school first when Kyron didn't get off the bus.

I found an article on The Oregonian, I'm not sure of the accuracy of all of the information, but here it is. I've read comments pro and con towards the article.

Kyron Horman's blended family: Friends describe a close, supportive group

Published: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 5:36 PM
Updated: Saturday, June 19, 2010, 6:46 PM

The dark-haired and redheaded women standing side by side at a news conference in the Kyron Horman investigation share a longtime bond with the 7-year-old boy gone missing. With a nation looking on, they shared their grief under the glare of television.

The mother, Desiree Young, 38, and stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, 40, were friends long before the beaming and bespectacled 7-year-old went missing from Skyline School in northwest Multnomah County. Since his June 4 disappearance, his blended family has hunkered down out of public view, emerging only as a group. Neither mother has spoken publicly, and the dads have read only prepared statements.

But details of their relationship have emerged in multiple interviews by The Oregonian with friends and family.

Terri was the last known person to see Kyron after she took him to school that day, and she was the first to report him missing when she discovered he wasn't on the school bus that afternoon. That day followed years of caring for him. When Kyron was a toddler, Desiree went to Canada to seek treatment for a serious medical condition. Her friend Terri became Kyron's caretaker.

The story dates to 2000, when Desiree married Kaine Horman. The couple's relationship quickly soured, however, and they planned to separate, but then Desiree got pregnant. So, they gave it another shot. But in August 2002, when Desiree was eight months pregnant, she filed for divorce, citing irreconcilable differences.

Kyron was born Sept. 9, 2002, and Kaine and Desiree were officially divorced in 2003. Kaine and Desiree shared custody, but Kyron mostly lived with Desiree until 2004, when she went to Canada after suffering kidney failure.

Kyron moved in full time with his dad, now 36, an engineer at Intel. With a demanding job at the company's Jones Farm campus in Hillsboro, where he works in the architecture group, Kaine needed child care. So, Desiree's friend Terri moved in to help.

"Someone had to watch the baby," said Amanda Howards, the former wife of Kaine's brother Kristian. "Terri was her friend. She moved in just to help with the baby."

Terri brought her son, James, now 16, from her first marriage.

Two months after leaving for Canada, Desiree returned to the United States with $30,000 in medical bills. To get back on her feet, she moved in with her family in Medford, who helped support her.

Desiree never tried to regain custody of Kyron, though she has maintained a close relationship with her son, caring for him every weekend or so with her new husband, Medford police Detective Tony Young.

After Desiree returned to Oregon, Terri and Kaine stayed under the same roof while he worked at Intel and she cared for the kids. What started as a caregiving relationship blossomed.

In April 2007, they got married. Looking buff in their bathing suits, they said their vows in a small ceremony on a shimmering beach in Kauai, the Garden Isle of Hawaii.

Terri's wide smile and glimmering eyes shine with happiness in a photo posted on her Facebook page.

On Mother's Day that year, Kaine gave his new bride a 2007 candy apple red Ford Mustang GT.

"Something shiny for the driveway," she wrote under the picture on her Facebook page. "Yes, Kaine is all that and a bag of chips!"

She adorned it with her vanity license plate RDSQRL, which is short for Red Squirrel, a nickname that reflects her long, thick mane of red hair.

More than a year after they were married, on Dec. 8, 2008, Kaine and Terri had a baby girl, Kiara.

Her name reflects a family tradition of Kaine's biological father, Kurtis Mengel, who has a twin sister, Kari Mengel Hoagland. Mengel and his wife, Kristi, named their sons Kaine and Kristian, now 32.

According to friends and family, the Hormans are a tight-knit, loving family that enjoys doing things together.

They play board games, go bowling with friends and take trips. In 2009, they visited Walt Disney World in Orlando, Fla. Late last year they went to the Roloff Farm in Helvetia where the reality TV show "Little People, Big World" is filmed. And recently, they peered at the animals at the Oregon Zoo.

Terri volunteered at Skyline School, where Kyron was in second grade, and she took him to swimming lessons with James and with Kiara.

"They're very nice people," said Adam Farber, who runs a swimming school and taught Kyron to swim and worked on strokes with James. Farber had no idea until he went missing that Kyron was Terri's stepchild. "They all fit in really well."

Marriage, parenthood

Terri was born March 14, 1970 and grew up in Roseburg, the daughter of two teachers, Carol and Larry Moulton. She graduated from Roseburg High School in 1988 and went to Umpqua Community College, where she met her first husband, Ron Tarver. They married in 1991 in Roseburg.

Their son, James Logan, was born Jan. 26, 1994.

The couple divorced in 1995 but tangled in court in 1999 over Tarver's failure to pay child support.

Court documents indicate that he did not pay child support between 1996 and 1998.

By that time, though, she had moved on. In 1996, she married Richard Ecker in Springfield. He adopted James two years later. Ecker, who now lives in the Portland area, continues to pay more than $500 in monthly child support for James, though he's not seen him in six or seven years.

"He's still my legal son," Ecker said.

During their marriage, Terri earned a bachelor's degree from Northwest Christian University in Eugene in 2000, according to her Facebook page.

The couple relocated to Beaverton in 2001 and separated that year, and their divorce became final in 2002.

Terri looked for work.

Between March 2001 and June 2002, she was a substitute teacher in the Hillsboro School District. According to spokesman Beth Graser, Terri held long-term jobs at Eastwood, Mooberry and Lenox elementaries.

After moving in with Kaine, Terri went onto the on-call substitute teachers list between 2003 and 2006. Graser said Terri held no more long-term jobs with the district.

"She stopped teaching and subbing so she could be with Kyron during his preschool and toddler years," said Jaymie Finster, a friend from junior high school who worked with Terri in the school district.

But Terri did hit the books. In about 2004, she earned a master's in education from Pacific University in Forest Grove.

On her Facebook page, she says her dream job would be superintendent of a school district.

She also loves playing video games such as "World of Warcraft" and is an exercise buff, regularly going to the gym. In 2005 she placed fourth in the over-35 category for women in the Emerald Cup of bodybuilding.

That same year, she was snagged on Interstate 5 in Marion County for drunken driving. James, who was 11, was in the car. With a blood-alcohol level of 0.15 percent, she was charged with DUII and reckless child endangerment. Terri pleaded guilty and took a diversion course.

She has had no other violations.

Family and friends say she is a focused mom.

"She's a pretty attentive mom," said Tarver, her first husband.

Her second spouse, Richard Ecker, has kind words to say about her as well: "She was always a gifted teacher. She did as much for the school and the kids as she could."

He couldn't imagine his ex-wife doing anything to harm a child.

"She would never hurt a child," he said. "She's not wired that way."

Focus on the kids

Terri was thrilled when Kiara was born in December 2008. Tarver said she had always wanted a girl. Terri's enthusiasm spilled onto her Facebook page, which has dozens of photos of the cherub-faced carrot-topped girl with blue eyes. She also flooded Tarver and other acquaintances with photos and e-mail updates of the baby's progress.

He thought that was unusual because he wasn't close to her family.

Mainly, their relationship has consisted of exchanging kids. Once a month, they would converge at Shari's Restaurant in Springfield and do a swap, with James staying with Tarver and his new wife, and Kyron going with Desiree and her husband.

They no longer do that swap with Tarver. Since March, James has lived in Roseburg, first with his grandparents and now with Tarver.

It's not clear why he was sent away.

But the parents' relationships have been cordial, said Terri's mom, Carol Moulton.

She's been in Portland, trying to comfort Terri and Kaine. "It's a tough deal," said Larry Moulton, Terri's father, who's still in Roseburg. "There's a lot of grilling. There's a lot of pressure."

Kaine's adoptive dad, R. Neil Horman, says Kyron's disappearance has been a strain on the parents.

"The loss of a child like this is devastating," he said.

-- Lynne Terry

(Kimberly A.C. Wilson, Shane Dixon Kavanaugh and Lynne Palombo contributed to this report.)


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

Snipped from one of the first articles:

Kyron's stepmother contacted the school, at 11536 N.W. Skyline Blvd., about 4 p.m. when he didn't come home on the bus. Because Kyron had not been seen for several hours, Shelby said, school officials were "immediately concerned."

Portland police were notified shortly after that, Shelby said.

An automated phone message was sent to Skyline parents about 5:30 p.m. Friday. Parents of students at other schools in the district also received that message, Shelby said.

As I am sick about how this investigation appears to be going...here is what I have noted and am very concerned about..

I have seen every presser, and do not believe I have heard one question posed to LE by the media as to whether or not the landfills/garbage have been checked..

I have not heard LE comment on landfill/garbage investigation..

If someone has. please let me know...

Here is what I just found out from making a few calls ...

I have found that there are 2 transfer stations serviceing Portland.. These are described as semi uncontrolled places where ppl can drop things off and where garbage trucks, take residential and commenrcial waste, picked up from rezes and dumpsters, to this transfer area and leave it there .. until it it is transferred to Arlington Landfill which is approx 150 miles from Portland..

I have found that one tranfer place is called Metro Central Transfer Station is located approx SIX to EIGHT MILES FROM THE SCHOOL...

I have also found that there is what is referred to "Dry wasteland, called Hillsborough Landfill which is also located approx SIX TO EIGHT MILES FROM THE SCHOOL.....

I was advised that the transfer stations arent really controlled buut there are "spotters" there who look around for illegal things that are being dumped.. It was referred to as not really controlled...

I found that the Dry wasteland Hillsborough .. is a little more controlled as it is only for DRY, so they pay more attention...

I am sick to think so mnay days have gone by, where NO ONE HAS CHECKED... It makes me thionk about Haleigh's case where LE only checked the actual rez garbage that had been coolected from Feb 10 thru Feb 14 at a tranfer station where the actual landfill was never checked.. still No Haleigh.. when I think of so many cases where LE have successfully found remains in the landfiull, (Somer)or had a confession much after the fact, it seems like a no brainer that these places need to be checked right off the bat...Instead so much time gets wasted that the chances are slim to none of ever going back after the fact.....

How much of society is too easily led by the viscous circle of LE via media via internet, that we dont even expect LE to answer a simple question ...

#1. HAVE THE LANDFILLS BEEN SEARCHED?????????????????

#2. WHT THE HELL NOT?

#3. ARE YOU CONSIDERING IT, NOW THAT YOU HAVE DECIDED TO CALL THIS CRMINAL, WEEKS AFTER THE FACT, or ARE YOU GONNA SIT BACK ON YOUR DUFFS AND TWITTLE YOUR THUMBS WHILE WAITING AROUND ????????????

I think it is very sad that the media seem to get much of their material (if you will) ..from bloggers on the net...

Hopefully, ppl can start talkiing about landfill checks on the net so a reporter/HLN will get on asking the tough questions....

No one did in te Haleigh case, and look what has happened there..... No Haleigh, botched crime scene, botched investigation, no check thru landfill.. no remains no answers.. I want more!

Even if LE wants to be stuck on the last known person to see the victim, they shud be checked immediatley, no remains no dna no leads no solid evidence to nail the monster...

It's really no wonder why there is so much confusion on who called LE and when... Just in the first 2 pages of our posts here on RC in regards to Kyron there are discrepancies w/ media reports.
The first article (June 5) says that the parents called 911
The second article (also June 5) says the parents contacted the school
Then there is an article snip here that I believe to be the most correct:
Kyron was supposed to take the bus home Friday, so Terri went to the bus stop at 3:30 p.m. to pick him up.

But the bus driver told her he wasn't there.

Panicked, she ran home and called the school to discover that he had been marked absent for the day.

She called 9-1-1, setting off a search that's drawn in a swarm of officers and several law enforcement agencies, including the FBI.

Officers, working with sniffer dogs, have combed the hilly, wooded area around Skyline Elementary.

and then there is another article (June 8th) that says that the school called 911 (which I believe they did after Terri called them)

the problem here is that there is not ONE article that puts all the pieces together - there is not a clear line of events - you have to piece it together yourself, and even then, you have to choose which one you're going to believe as any of them could be incorrect. It's sad really.

AJ - you are absolutely correct as far as I can tell that there has been NO mention of landfill checks. and if the landfills are unsecured as it seems they are, what keeps an individual from going in and dumping whatever they want any where they want any time they want - and IF that is the case - Kyron may NEVER be found... dumping should be controlled and mapped for just this kind of purpose... that's the only way they found Somer - was to IMMEDIATELY follow the dump trucks and during all dumping LE was watching! was it time consuming? Yes, I'm sure it was. Was it a burden to tax payers, Yes, I'm sure it was... but you know what, in the end, there is a MONSTER behind bars, and maybe other little girls are alive today because of the proactive actions that LE dept took. I remember at the time, there was a cry for other LE depts to take note and follow suit, but here we are, several missing children later, and NO CHANGE in protocol...

AJ, I'm glad you took the time to get the information about the transfer stations and the landfill. I have heard no mention at all about landfill searches. THIS SHOULD BE DONE IMMEDIATELY IN EACH AND EVERY CASE!

I agree 100% that the landfills should be checked immediately in each and every case. It may be time consuming and a burden to taxpayers, but like Tish said about Somer's case, it got a monster off the streets and potentially saved other little girls from being killed. Also, if they hadn't checked the landfill in a timely manner, they would still be spending time and money chasing random leads and doing random searches, and Somer would still be missing. They would have had much more money and many more hours into the case than they ended up with by following the dump trucks and searching the landfill immediately.

Kaine Horman's email to his Intel associates:





From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman's son is missing

All,
If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below). While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.

Optional actions for you:
The Intel network is large and wide-reaching. Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:
1. Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him
2. Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation

Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):
He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo

Police Hot Line Number:
(503) 261-2847

Some rough background:
The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details. He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am. We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found. The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school. It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted. Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return. I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon. At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.


Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect

Intel Corporation



http://ackerlaw.com/posts/2010/06/07/missing_child__kyron_horman_7

When I think back to 10 yrs ago... ppl and society have come along way in how we supervise our children...

even 20 yrs ago..we ran wild, going from friend to friend with the advise that we should travel with friends and in groups (if we can)....

10 yrs ago we insisted on our kids walking in a buddy system yet, not having the instilled fear that we are starting to take on today....

Now, although its not unusual to see a youngster alone, it is getting more and more unusual.. we are beginning to learn by others mistakes.. We are more controlled with our schools and daycares but clearly there is room for much more changing..

I believe there were always pigs/monsters who abused children where there were no next to no repercussions.. It was kept quiet and the pig continued on (even with his own kids/relatives) ..

In the last 20 yrs we have really seen changes where these pigs started being penalized for their filthy addictions.. We saw where children were taken from the home with suspicion of molestation and small conviction sentences where the perps did little jail time till they were released where they reoffend and go bak for a bit only to be freed again...

I am of the belief that there are monsters who not only need to molest, but to kill as well but I think they are few and far betwen...

I believe if these monsters cud get their sick needs fulfilled, they wudnt necessarily kill but society has started implementing a zero tolerance where these pigs are getting harsher sentences and less convenience to fulfill their sickness....

Oh dont get me wrong... Im not angry at society for slowly changing where theses monsters are immediately called out .. Although we are still waiting for our governemnts to rid these ppl (DP??) we are safe to say that they will reoffend...

I believe it is only logical that these pigs have taken steps in ensuring they arent caught, where many have resorted to killing to rid of the evidencs, so they dont get locked up and can continue their sick monstrous behavior..

Do we think these monsters watch TV, and the internet? Prolly .. we know many are also engaged in child porn on their puters (Somer)...

We have to assume they watch the news, internet and have taken note as to how society has changed ... It seems plausible to me that becasue children arent as accessible, to these pigs.. walking home alone etc..not to mention how there are cameras around everywhere and ppl are always watching everything... that these perps are looking for better ways to grab their prey .. of course now they have no choice to kill these kids as technology today is too hard to toy with ...

I suspect we will start seeing more of these crimes where these pigs will come to our scholls and target homes where dysfunctional lifestyles appear at face value, as this case alone, is likley teaching perps that as long as they go into unsecured facillities (hide in the bathrooms etc) and go into homes that are easy to break in, we will continue to see these crimes and prolly more of them.....

I hope we start educating ourselves and injecting logic as to who wud likley have the most motive to take a child (from an unsecured setting) and the child never be seen again..

As long as these pigs read the net and watch the news they will continue to laugh as we will continue to enable their behavior where they will be safe to assume, the parent will be blamed/convicted/set up/ and evidence planted (Riley Fox) where they will continue filling their sick monstrous needs at the expense of our children and their caregivers .... I pray for change!

I will also say I am shocked that not one media outlet has asked about the landfill and not one blogging crimesite that I have come across.... all I have seen is mostly convict stepmom...what a strong message we (society) are CONTINUING to send to PIGS that we know are rampant and incurable..easystreet!

Petition pushes for cameras in schools

by Anne Yeager, KGW Staff
Posted on June 22, 2010 at 6:45 AM

PORTLAND -- Fueled by the recent disappearance of seven-year-old Kyron Horman, a Portland woman was pushing hard to put cameras in each and every school in the country.

Kyron's mysterious disappearance has launched a firestorm of debate on whether cameras should be mandatory in every school.

"If a child is abducted, it would tell the time it happened." said Portland resident Emmelie Caterham. "It would tell the date, and who that person had left with and if they left at all."

Caterham has launched a petition online since Kyron disappeared and so far she's gotten hundreds of signatures. She wants surveillance footage available to every school nationwide.

"Cameras are important because they add an extra level of security, " said Eric Penn, with Cook Security.

But with school budget cuts, can districts afford it?

"I think it should be taken out of our taxes," said Caterham.

Cook Security has installed cameras in Beaverton, Wilsonville, and Silverton High schools. Penn said in our society, cameras are everywhere.

"You're photographed at the mall and all around. Why wouldn't you want your kid photographed when he's dropped off at school."

Penn said he feels there's no doubt that if cameras had been rolling when Kyron vanished from Skyline Elementary School on June 4, the mystery of his disappearance would be solved by now.

"I think it would be an extra tool on who was there that day and who wasn't," Penn added.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/oregon-boys-disappearance-fuels-school-camera-debate-96852854.html

Any school could afford these systems! we installed a 6 camera security system at our family business for less than $600 at Fry's - they could do a fundraiser for that!!! they have fundraisers for everything else - that would be a fundraiser I would gladly participate in! How about let's get creative and have a security camera fundraiser at the same time you take current ID info on your kids - like a fair or something - calling attention to child safety and raise money that way. School budget cuts are a smoke screen - there are other ways to come up w/ the money - and if nothing else - the school needs to look where it can cut back - Even one less field trip per year would MORE than pay for a security system. We have one at my childs' school, and i am SO grateful for that - they are also installed on all school buses as well... you can't be too careful in this day and age.

I don't know why schools don't have cameras, at least on the entrance/exits. Then again, I don't know why school buses don't have seatbelts either.

These are our children that society says HAS to attend school...and we are supposed to send them and let the schools then not be forced to ensure their safety with cameras and seatbelts. Yep, we're forced by law to put our children in danger.

I remember when my son was in first grade and he and another boy hid in a pipe that was supposed to be a playground toy and didn't go back in with the class after recess. No one noticed either boy at all! The boys got hot outside and decided on their own to go back inside. That's when the teacher realized they hadn't been there. It was over an hour later! Of course, the teacher didn't take any blame for not knowing she was missing 2 kids. She said it was their responsibility to come back inside. No head count! I raised hell! After that the school instituted a mandatory headcount. And they all looked at me like I was a troublemaker.

Story number 2....once, while out at recess, my son was in the second grade, and one of his classmates decided to run away. The kid took off down the street and the teacher saw him go. She tells my son to go after him and bring him back! My son refused to go chasing the kid off the school grounds into the neighborhood. When he told me about this, I asked the teacher WTF? And she said she knew MY kid was responsible and would come back even if he didn't catch the other kid. How about NO! How about you chase him, I told the teacher. She said she couldn't because she had to watch the rest of the class.

The above stories are true! And I'm saying, teachers are not as cautious or responsible with our children as you'd think. They ask for money all the time for more pay for themselves....you'd think some seatbelts in buses and cameras on the doors wouldn't be too much to ask.

Piper wrote:Kaine Horman's email to his Intel associates:





From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman's son is missing

All,
If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below). While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.

Optional actions for you:
The Intel network is large and wide-reaching. Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:
1. Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him
2. Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation

Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):
He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo

Police Hot Line Number:
(503) 261-2847

Some rough background:
The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details. He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am. We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found. The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school. It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted. Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return. I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon. At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.


Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect

Intel Corporation



http://ackerlaw.com/posts/2010/06/07/missing_child__kyron_horman_7

So Kyron's dad knows Kyron went missing between 8:45 to 9AM....or 8:45 to 9:30AM....hmmmm....what's he basing that on, I wonder?

Probably Tanner's story....but why not say 8:45-9:30 and be done with it?

And how does he know, just because Tanner saw him when he did, that Kryon was actually missing at that time? What if Kyron was not missing yet? What if he was still the bathroom or getting water after 9:30 AM?

Isn't it more like Kyron was missing between 8:45 and 10AM when the Kryon should definitely have been back in class?

I don't get it.

Thanks for posting the family dynamic, Piper.

Hate to say it, but Terri seems changable!....and seems to look for greener pastures a lot. She's even got a Master's degree and she's not working it. I'm not liking this.

Justice4all wrote:It looks like you are right MissMonkey. I thought I remembered reading that, so I did some research and here is what I found.

Later in the day, officials released a photo of Kyron Horman that was altered "only to the extent to remove the eye glasses. This has been done to provide a photo to the public to show what Kyron would look like without eye glasses."

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_horman_investigators_rel.html

I brought this over for comparison purposes because of the following article I found:

Kyron Horman case update: Public asks if photo of Kyron has been edited by Terri Horman

Posted by Melissa Finlay on June 22, 2010

The search for Kyron Horman continues and no one is sure what happened to the missing 7-year-old Portland, Oregon boy. As the case has shifted from a search and rescue to a criminal investigation, many in the public have suspected Kyron’s stepmother, Terri Horman, of foul play. As of this date, Terri Horman has not been named a suspect or person of interest in Kyron’s disappearance. This has not stopped the stream of public outcry against her.

One theory prevalent on Internet blogs and commentary sites is tha the photo of Kyron Horman was edited by Terri Horman. One reader pointed out that Kyorn’s arm is missing in the photo.

A second, nearly identical photo, was also posted to Terri Horman’s Facebook page the same day that Kyron went missing. In the first photo, you can see Kyorn’s red tree frog display. In the second photo, Kyron is shown with one arm seemingly missing. Those who believe the photo is genuine point out that an adult and a child can be seen in the background.

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What do you think of the photos? Do they look edited to you?

(I don't know how to bring over the 2 photos from the below link, although I can see that the 2 on the link are not identical, where you see on the bottom picture the adult and child in the background, you can see on the top picture in the link that Kyron's left flap of his display is just opened wider. I also think Kyron just has his arm reaching behind his back. Also the top picture in the link has a white circle & an arrow pointing to someone?)

http://primewriter.com/news-1246-headlines/?p=7621

His shoulder is clearly up, where his arm is likely behind his back.. There are 2 ppl in the background a man and a little girl....

I suspect LE wud have known already if it was photoshopped....

What I see is ahappy boy beaming with pride and excitement... a mother who wanted to capture this pride...

I have no reason to think otherwise as everything must have panned out as to Terris account or she wud have already been arrested...

What I dont see are many ppl blogging, questioning as to why the landfills havent been checked...

I am surpsrised as whether a person thinks Terri did or anyone else, doesnt mean obvious dumping grounds shudnt be checked.. Everyday that goes by is worse...

The timeline in dads email suggests to me that he is using the time that his wife wud have left the school, and him saying 9:30 am suggests to me that Tanners account led them to find out that Ms Porter must have taken over the group at 9:30 where it was discovered that Kyron wasnt there...

Here are the two photos.





I read somewhere that the first picture was sent to police and the guy in the background was circled because the person who turned it in thinks the guy might be a potential witness that police should try to find and question.

The second picture (the one we have all seen many times) is causing a lot of speculation about a missing left arm. If you look to the left at his right arm, take a close look at how much extra sleeve there is past his small arm. There is about that same amount of extra sleeve where his left arm would normally be, so his left arm could easily be behind his back.

AJ, I support checking the landfills in every missing person's case. I even pointed it out in Val's thread about Kyron at the Hinky Meter back on June 13. In cases where they wait too long, many more tons of trash have been dumped there since the time the missing child vanished and the body isn't likely to be found even if it was dumped there.

I also agree with everybody who said cameras should be in all schools. In the grand scheme of things they aren't very expensive, and they make schools much safer.

Another crazy rumor floating around the internet in this case is that Kyron's body was found by Sauvie Island a couple days ago, but LE is keeping it under wraps while they try to build a case, and they made the site that posted the headline take it down. I've never heard of such a thing. If that has ever been done before, please post a link to the case. IMO, there is no way the public or the media would ever tolerate LE leading them to believe a person was still missing days after they had found the body.

Thanks J4A for bringing the 2 pictures over. I agree, it's much to-do about nothing.

I don't believe Kyron's picture was photoshopped at all. The FBI took out his glasses for a reason, to show what he looked like without them.

I blacked out Kyron's right arm to show how there is enough sleeve that extends past his right arm to make it look like the arm could be missing if it wasn't visible in the pic. His left arm is most likely behind his back with the pic showing the part of his sleeve that extends past his left arm.

I don't believe that Terri is responsible for Kyron going missing. It would be too elaborate of a set up, too many people could have seen her take him out of the school. If she was going to do something to him, it would have not involved a school. I seriously hope they are still following other leads and not just focusing on her because she was not the last one to see Kyron.........even though they keep saying that. It's not true...

J4A,

I remember they said (HLN) that the box they pulled out of the St John's River was Haleigh.....we later found out it was only a tool used by divers.. The next day, HLN did say that the box was a tool and took their erroneous statement off the bottom of their rolling rumours..

I remember another rumour like that too and I am trying to think of which sad case...

Also, I believe if he was found, there wud have been a crime scene investigation, prolly still going on.. The media found LE doing the searching so I suspect they have been watching that area closely.. I cant see that if he was found, they wud have removed him with out any CSI....

Piper wrote:I don't believe that Terri is responsible for Kyron going missing. It would be too elaborate of a set up, too many people could have seen her take him out of the school. If she was going to do something to him, it would have not involved a school. I seriously hope they are still following other leads and not just focusing on her because she was not the last one to see Kyron.........even though they keep saying that. It's not true...

Piper,

I so agree.. how stupid wud it be to plan out an upcoming murder where the school (of all places) was going to be the place to abduct him from...

He is so happy to be in that his mom is taking a pic of him and shows absolutley no signs of any bad feelings betwen the two..

Unfortunately, some parents do kill their children... but if we look at historical killings, the few (like Susan Smith) usually go to secluded places where no one is around.. another very unusual circumstance (Dianne Downs is again secluded where they claim some type of accident..and the most common is where it is sheer abuse and death happens and they usually admit it by either calling 911 or breaking in the interrogation... and leadin g them to the remains where it happened in their own home...

Abductions like this are so much more consistent where a perp has prolly been in that sbhool where they checked it out and knew there were no cameras.. they cud have hidden in so many differnt places where the halls wud be vacant ..even standing by a door where a child cud easiuly have passed in front wherre the perp cud quickly snatch a child and have their car parked right at the entrance... It seems like it was definitley someone who had been there before and even knew Kyron... where no one knows the person is a sex preditor... There were so many ppl in that school, and it makes me sick that LE are facilitating a potential sex offender by pointing at Terri.,.... Just like they did with Haleigh... I can understand they dont want panic, byut at the same time they cud be enabling perps and giving ppl a false sense of security...Its sickening...

J4A,

Im glad you posted about the landfill. I am really surprised the commuinity isnt screaming about it.. Also, I think many news outlets follow the blog.. I hope they catch wind eventually.. Like you said how many tonnes have been piled since Jun 4????

LottieM wrote:Thanks for posting the family dynamic, Piper.

Hate to say it, but Terri seems changable!....and seems to look for greener pastures a lot. She's even got a Master's degree and she's not working it. I'm not liking this.

No problem, Lottie. Like I said, some say the info on how Terri and Desiree met is not accurate. I have no idea. I only want Kyron to be found and brought home. I am hoping and praying Terri was not involved. She brought Kyron up as her own. I know some parents and step parents can "snap" in the heat of a moment. I just don't see the premeditation in all of this on her part. What would be her motive unless she was very angry with him. It just doesn't make sense to me. I hope we hear some good news today.

Kyron Horman investigation gains insight from a former Portland District Attorney

June 22, 10:14 PM
Examiner
Heather Tooley

Portland, Ore. - the Kyron Horman investigation is gaining insight from Portland's former Multnomah County Deputy Attorney, Jim McIntyre. McIntyre sheds light on the missing Kyron Horman case as authorities review the large number of questionnaires turned in by those who may have seen Kyron's step-mother at school the day he mysteriously disappeared. Koin Local 6 had the interview from Jim McIntyre.

Kyron Horman case may be focusing on someone close in

Former deputy DA, McIntyre tells Koin Local 6, "The probabilities are that it’s somebody close in – and when I say that I don’t mean immediate family members I mean that it’s somebody that may or may not know Kyron or know the routine. It’s usually someone closer in but closer in can include a retail store clerk that sees him all the time that decided to do something."

McIntyre stated keeping a lead on the right suspect is key in the Kyron Horman investigation, like any case in this realm.

"You don’t want to put the investigators off on the track that could be an erroneous track because then the individual who actually committed the offense is gaining time," he said in the interview.

McIntyre cautions joining public opinion in the missing Kyron Horman case

Jim McIntyre cautions those joining public opinion in this emotionally charged case.

"Jumping on the bandwagon of who the public thinks did it is often a huge mistake," the former deputy DA said. The family shuts down when when a tidal wave of finger pointing is directed at them, he explains.

"It’s easy for family members to begin to believe that they’ve become targets when perhaps they’re really just trying to eliminate (the family) and they’re can be a natural friction that can develop and you saw that historically in the JonBenet case which still remains unsolved and that case slipped sideways between law enforcement and the family."

Kyron Horman's step-mother last to see him - justifies questionnaire

What is the former DA's take on the questionnaire recently distributed in the Kyron Horman investigation pertaining to his step-mother, Terri Horman?

"You have to go back to who is the last person who was with Kyron, who was the last person to see Kyron. What was Kyron’s regular schedule and where would he have been. What was the likelihood of people having contact with him."

No results have been reported on the second polygraph test Terri Horman took on Saturday, nor the questionnaires. The public is eager to hear breaking news in this case, but valuable input from those like Jim McIntyre help people understand what may be behind the missing Kyron Horman investigation. Since the 7-year-old's disappearance June 4 at his school science fair, the little boy's case has reached national attention. The silence of this investigation has made it harder for to wait for any new information. Kyron is on the minds of everyone in Portland and around the nation constantly.

http://www.examiner.com/x-52289-Portland-Pop-Culture-Examiner~y2010m6d22-Kyron-Horman-investigation-gains-insight-from-a-former-Portland-District-Attorney

I assume that isn't "the" Jim/James McIntyre.

aj, I agree that taking Kyron from the school would be risky at best...but someone did! And got away with it, so far...that is IF he was ever there.

I'm not focusing on why LE hasn't found him yet. I'm still stuck on How did he get out of the school without anyone seeing him? Finding him is a needle in a hay stack until LE can figure out how someone could take Kyron without drawing any suspicion from anyone. Who might be able to lure Kyron away? And for what reason might he go off with someone other than his family?

Here’s my summation of thoughts on that fateful day….I just like to try to put 2 and 2 together and see how much of my rationale pans out in the end, right or wrong….I like to guess! So….here’s my thinking at this point….subject to adjustment as necessary as we learn more…..


Kyron didn’t make it to school on June 4. And that’s how come he could be whisked away unnoticed and marked absent.

Part 1…..

We assume Kyron was at the school that morning: Why? Because the chaperon noticed him missing from her group and she had to have first seen him there or else she’d not be looking for him later. And his teacher had to have known he was there or else she’d not have assumed he was getting water or using the bathroom. Yet…she marked him absent.

Kyron was marked ‘absent’: Did his teacher then, not see him that morning and just assumed the chaperon had since she was asking about him?

If Kyron wasn’t really ever there at the school that day it’s easy to see how it might be assumed he was if the chaperon was supposed to have him in her group, noticed he was not there, told the teacher, who then assumed the chaperon had seen him and was since missing him…but then, in perhaps asking the chaperon if Kyron ever got back from getting water etc, she finds out the chaperon never saw Kyron at all….so she marks him absent.

Part 2…..

Terri was supposedly at the school that morning with Kyron and took a picture of him with his project: No one claims yet to have seen Terri there that morning. All we have is a picture that some say was dated June 3, and then changed to June 4. (rumor or truth, yet to be determined).

It is possible Terri was never at the school that morning and just dropped Kyron off, especially if it’s true the exhibits were set up the night before…the pictures could have been taken then. But why lie about it? Perhaps because Terri and Kyron were never at the school that day.

Terri says she sent Kyron down the hall to his classroom at 8:45 and left the building: The Fair wasn’t over for another hour and fifteen minutes….why did Kyron have to go to his classroom?

Kyron supposedly told his friend he was going back to look at some other exhibit: If Kyron was allowed to wander randomly about during the Fair, and if Terri and Kyron had already been at the Fair – where she even took pictures- then why send Kyron to his classroom instead of just leaving him to look around on his own? …why did Kyron have to go to his classroom when Terri left? Did she just have to say that because she knew Kryon should be seen wandering about IF he were actually there?

What was so important that Terri had to do that morning that she couldn’t hang around with Kyron and look at other exhibits past 8:45? What time did Terri arrive at the school with Kyron?

Apparently Kyron regularly rode the bus home, so it’s safe to assume he also used the bus in the mornings. On that morning, Terri drove him to school, then couldn’t stay long because she apparently had other things to do. She left him at 8:45AM….she noted the time, so did she have a pressing engagement?

Terri’s cell phone pings on that island shortly after the time she claimed to have left Skyline. According to sleuths, there was time for her to drive from the school to the island and make that call from there. But would have had to drive straight to there, not a minute to spare! Why would she drive straight from the school to the island? OR, if no one actually saw her at the school that morning, was the 8:45 time bogus? As well as the ‘sending of Kyron to his classroom’ for no apparent reason?

Part 3….

The only kid to have ‘seen and talked to’ Kyron that morning is Tanner….and LE doesn’t want Tanner or his grandmother to talk about that…..my question is…why didn’t other classmates see Kyron? Why hasn’t one single adult or school staff said they saw Kyron OR Terri that morning? Is this what those questionnaires are about?

Tanner’s recollection of Kyron’s being at school was only that the chaperone and teacher talked about him….and then he adds Kyron talking to him about going to see another exhibit. If Tanner is such an observant kid, then why didn’t he get concerned after 10AM when Kyron was not in his seat? And when he didn’t show up all day long? My answer: Because he never really saw him there at all!

I am completely discounting Tanner’s story in favor of the grandmother wanting to help Terri because she was afraid Terri would become a POI or suspect since no one had really seen Kyron there that morning…and hadn’t seen Terri either. My hypothesis is that when Tanner told his granny about what the chaperon and teacher said, and Kyron was now missing, granny tried to find clues to help…she asked Tanner if Kyron might have been interested in any other exhibits and Tanner probably recalled Kyron having mentioned the ‘electrical exhibit’ and that parlayed into Kryon having said it that day when it wasn’t really said that day. Kids, you know?


Ending….what happened to Kyron?

Terri had plans that morning and Kyron got in her way. She had a bad moment and probably killed him by accident. Opportunity was on her side with the Science Fair, and she used it. She had all day to pretend all was fine and make up her lie about seeing him go down the hall to his classroom at 8:45….a time she noted because why? Who checks the time unless they have reason these days?

LE has not arrested Terri yet because they don’t have any evidence from which to arrest her for anything, nor do they have any specific criminal charge without finding Kryon first. And they first have to go through all those questionnaires and talk to people…..if it is determined no one saw Terri or Kyron that day (except Tanner) then I expect to see the cuffing of Terri.