Jodi Arias Contradictions Thread

[poochi84]

Hey Everyone,

I have watched a fair amount of footage but certainly not everything so I can only imagine there is much I have missed. The same is probably true of others. I wanted to begin a thread where everyone listed the contradictions Jodi has made and questionable statements. If possible (I know this might not always be feasible), please list which trial date they occurred so others can reference for themselves if they would like to. If you cannot recall the date or quotes please mention that, I'm sure google will be able to help us out. I just want to make sure the thread stays as accurate as possible. Thank you to everyone who contributes!

I will start!

Day 27 - Ms. Arias introduces the idea of the gun being in a holster for the very first time. It had not previously been mentioned before this. Defense Nurmi asks if the gun was sitting out or in a box etc. At first she says, "It was sitting up there, I believe it had a holster." Prosecutor Martinez then indicates he wasn't clear on what she said, so she repeats "Yes, it was in a holster at one point."
Day 28 - The holster is questioned as part of a Juror question; She responds " I don't remember how it was on June 4th, when I first discovered it I don't recall seeing a holster of any kind but Travis did have one for it."
Day 29 - Ms. Arias again responding to a Juror question states that she saw the gun in a holster before she moved but she did not see the holster after that (I do not have the direct quote for this at this time)

Day 21: Martinez comments to Ms. Arias "I thought you said your relationship with Travis was stressful?" She replies "Some of the sex wasn't" when Martinez states "So you did enjoy the sex then?" she replies "At times I did, yeah"
Day 29: A Juror question asks Ms. Arias if she enjoyed having sex with Mr. Alexander. She replies "Yes I did, very much."

Day 21: When Martinez demonstrates frustration at Ms. Arias for not recalling a conversation that occurred the day before, she explains that stressful situations effect her memory.
Day 29: A Juror question asks if anyone who knows about her memory issues. After being redirected during her answer, she states "It's hard (to answer that question) cause I don't think I have memory issues".

[Calypso]

Hope you enjoy it here!!

[poochi84]

Thank you Calypso and thank you for the welcome!

[Freckles]

The gun holster:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=R4SdRug8PMI

Could someone embed this, please?
Thanks.
Pooch!

[Freckles]

Cut finger:

Any one noticed?
During the sex pics on Travis' bed:
Jodi did NOT have ANY finger bandaged from any cut at the Casa Ramon, where she worked in Yreka.

When she gets to Ryan's, she has bandages and tells him she had cut it the night before at work.

Did she take bandages from Travi's home for her little boo-boos?

__________
It was cut:
1. By ninjas: Only injury from them;
told to and demonstrated L/ring finger to Det Flores;
had him take ahold of the finger;

2. Casa Ramon, Yreka, CA:JA's work
Told Ryan Burns she had L/ring finger it on a broken glass the night before she left;

3. Casa Ramon, Yreka;
Told jury Ryan was wrong; she had "injured" it on a metal rack at her job; R/ring finger, not left hand;

4. Travis' the night before (Keep in mind she arrived in the morning and was gone by early evening);
Cut it on a broken glass in his kitchen;

5. Testimony in court:
Stated Travis had kicked her in Jan 2008 when she had walked in on him masturbating to ONE picture of a little boy; pic was on computer in his bedroom; oops... no computer there! Said it was a picture on his bed. He confronted her, knocked her down, kicked her in the ribs and her hand; no doctor, no evidence of ANY of this.
No porn in house, phone or on computer.
Said L/ring finger dinged.

[Freckles]

Det Flores with JA: interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FoUB2UzWjtI#!

The Ninja story:
@9:10
JA stated they got into her purse; they saw her driver's license; it has a PO Box on it; they found her car registration which has her parent's home address;
she was afraid for her family.

WRONG.
She was driving a RENTAL on June 4, 2008.
I doubt if ANY registration was in her purse.

@10:02
JA starts weaving some of the truth behind the trip, where she went, etc.

[Freckles]

Multiple stories re the cuts on JA's L/hand ring finger:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU_bl67g4Pk

[Freckles]

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/02/05/arias-testifies-day-2-can-she-save-her-life

IMO, JA has contradicted herself re WHEN she had oral, vaginal, anal sex:

" 6:30 p.m. ET: In Ehrenberg, Arizona, Alexander and Arias shared a motel room. When she arrived at the motel room, they started passionately kissing. Arias said they began to take off their clothes.

Nurmi asked, "At this point in time, based on what you told us our understanding you had no penile/vaginal sex with Mr. Alexander?"

"No," Arias replied.

Nurmi asked, "And it would also be our understanding that you had not had anal sexual intercourse with Mr. Alexander?"

"Yes, that is correct," Arias said."



6:13 p.m. ET: Alexander told Arias he was "horny." So they left the Starbucks and drove to a park nearby to have oral sex.

6:06 p.m. ET: Arias said that after she returned home to Palm Desert, California, Alexander contacted her about how much she liked his church. A few days later, Alexander met up with Arias at a Starbucks and he gave her a copy of the Book of Mormon.

--- IIRC, Travis and a friend had stopped by the Palm Desert home to give JA the Book of Mormon. So did he give her TWO of this book?


" ... I knew I didn’t want to struggle paycheck to paycheck. I didn’t’ see myself living a life of excess. But, definitely being able to pay the bills and provide for a family, somewhat … I saw myself getting more into photography and hopefully … I still had hopes of being successful in real estate, hopefully,” replied Arias."

[Freckles]

Gas can logic=Premeditation

BTW, Paul Stark ? the man who loaned JA money to make the trip, stated she needed the money for the trip to save her relationship with her bf, Travis. This means JA DID have intentions of going straight to Mesa from Monterrey area. After she had traded the stolen DVD player to Darryl for the two gas cans.

Paul Stark was paid back, he said. So from June 2-July 15, JA earned enough money and managed to somehow get this cash over to him...?

Darryl never asked for the return of his gas cans and never expected them returned despite stating he had LOANED them to her. Why? He had in fact NOT loaned them but had traded two cans for the DVD player and it would not function without the remote... so JA HAD to return to Darryl's to give him the remote.

I wonder what else was found in that storage unit in YREKA. And I wonder if JA really intended to use the gas cans to burn Travis' house down with him in it ? My guess is she DID plan to do that but changed her mind at the last. Kill Travis; leave his body in the shower; burn down the house.

This is less than 7 minutes and worth every second.
While viewing it, observe Darryl's hands;
watch when JA and Wilmott beome alarmed.
Read the comments under.
Darryl probably is/was one of the most important of the witnesses next to Matt...

"How did the DVD find its way in to your car?"
"It was already with him..."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n9-qVSYgD68

[colsnipe]

Jodi's biggest contradiction is herself. She is; therefore she should not exist.

Just ranting.

[Freckles]

Post 1542

" The HLN live stream link is http://www.livenewschat.tv/twoon/ but now it's playing the Daily Show. The info on Stabby's jail record was towards end of that stupid new show they have after Dr Drew. She has gotten into fights with at least one other inmate, they found two pens taped under her bunk (pens are a no no), she was caught smuggling pens in a shampoo bottle and was sent back to her cell for disobeying an instructor. I looked on their website but didn't see anything posted there (admittedly I didn't look very hard)

Harlette and DizzyP I totally agree about the running for office/trying to get on tv thing!"

Post 1545:
" July 27, 2009
Fight w/ cell mate
JA claims self def
Cell mate pushes JA against wall
Cellmate pleaads guilty

Oct 29, 2009
2 pens found
taped under bunk
Arias takes blame

Jan 1, 2010
19 unauthorized pictures she had

Aug 26, 2010
Disobeys instructor
ordered to return to cell

Mar 17, 2011
Unauthorized Creams
Anit itch
Anti fungal
Acne

May 13, 2011
2 pens found
hidden in shampoo"

http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthread.php?26892-Jodi-Ann-Arias-shot-and-stabbed-her-ex-boyfriend-Travis-Alexander-to-death-(Part-II)/page61

[Freckles]

Jodi's biggest contradiction is herself. She is; therefore she should not exist.

Just ranting.

[auman58]

The gun was unloaded.....or not.
They were using a crashed computer.
First said she caught the camera "like a football", changed
to "it rolled towards the tub".
Travis had no weapon.....or not.

[Freckles]

TEXT from T to J
April 2008 (illegible)

"you have that information. its 15 minutes it would take to gt the info. But you won't take 15 minutes. Why because it is an Fucking lie. So either text me you that you are ready
to tell the truth or give me your imaginary friend with
the worst BS story you have ever told or leave me alone.
Its a lie like no other. It is freaking foolish. There is no way out of it, you have screwed up your story so bad you can't mend it. You are caught. When will you realize that. I do not know. You have til tomorrow. to have me this persons information before I tell all of the Hughes' Leslie Udy, the Freemans, your parents and anyone else that
matters about all the crazy things you have done. So
either fess up or feel the wrath. No matter how bad
the truth is I promise you the punishment will be
better than the lie. This is worse than your magical
email that a mysterious man you've never seen before
wrote for you. You insult me by thinking ill believe such
crap. nothing else from you til the truth. I already know
your lying so why continue. After tomorrow, its gonna
get real bad for you. Time to spit it out."

[auman58]

2008 journal entry talks about TA wanting to get a gun and shoot himself.

She testified he loaded his gun in Dec. 2007.

[Freckles]

This is the contradiction to JA's life, her TRUE self:

"The Stalker by Phantom Planet:

I see you runnin'
Right up the stairs
Don't mean to pry into your affairs
But you get in at all hours of the night
Just making sure that you got in alright
Well call me crazy, but I think I'm in love
You're the only girl that I've been thinking of
I told you the truth and you got up and ran
I speak of true love, which you love
But you don't understand
I wear your perfume, I read your mail
If I get one more strike I go to jail
Is it weird I made a doll out of strands of your hair? (uh-huh, uh-huh)
I just wanted to show you how much I really care
Well call me crazy, but I think I'm in love
You're the only girl that I've been thinking of
I told you truth and you got up and ran
Oh I am not a stalker, I'm just your biggest fan
(I'm just your biggest fan, but you don't understand)
I'm just your biggest fan
I'm just your biggest fan "

http://justdatruth2012.blogspot.com/2013/03/jodi-arias-charming-lying-murdering.html

[Freckles]

clipped--
" Stalkers and abusers with psychopathic tendencies like Jodi and my ex-, delight in the power they hold. If you've ever had a nightmare about hatchet wielding murderous villains chasing you in the night, then you get a small sense of the terror, but then you have the benefit of waking up to a normal day. Victims will never ever have a 'normal' day, for the rest of their lives, or until their stalker/abuser is dead. They will always be running and looking over their shoulder for that villain, never really sure when they will be cornered. If you want to see a living, breathing example of PTSD (post-traumatic stress disorder), then look no further than the life of a victim of a psychopath. Everything Dr. Samuels described as a symptom Jodi exhibited, could be used to describe a person in Travis Alexander's shoes. As a matter of fact, it would not surprise me in the least if Jodi didn't realize that, and mirror what she knew she was putting him through.

Psychopaths are chameleons. They have no sense of emotions of their own, so they adopt the emotions of others as a means of manipulation and control. My ex- was always trying emotions on for size—she did this by grilling people on the tragedies in their lives, and then attending funerals and acting out the emotions and gestures she learned. Jodi must have delighted in terrorizing Travis, and then assimilated his emotions when she needed to play the victim in a court of law. If anyone knew how to act the part of a victim, it was Jodi, she had been watching her victims closely for years...."

Jodi said she was not jealous. That may be correct:
" I don't think she really understood what jealousy meant, but she did understand what possession and control meant. She did not fear another woman stealing me away from her, she feared another woman controlling me---controlling her property. "

"My ex- was willing to do anything, and I mean ANYTHING, accept standard intercourse. She did not want regular intercourse at all. She had tons and tons of ideas for kinky, and even perverse sex and positions, but was completely against vaginal intercourse. Without going in to anything too graphic, I will just say I rejected most of her ideas as too freaky for my tastes. She has a voracious sexual appetite, which surprised me, considering she was completely turned off by what most people considered 'normal'. "

" She wanted to be known as the girl who would do anything, she wanted to be a fantasy and to be the personification of every fantasy I could have. As much as it may sound like a good old fun time, it really isn't. She would tell me that it was all about acting out my fantasies and fulfilling my desires, but it really was about her acting out her fantasies. Oddly, most of her fantasies had elements of rape, violence or taboo. None of that interested me (I think I just announced to the world that I'm a boring lover, hahahaha)."




http://justdatruth2012.blogspot.com/2013_04_01_archive.html

[MichaelJames]

Hi all. I am here.

[Mylife101]

Hi all. I am here.

Welcome, welcome! Lots of interesting posts and people on this site! Check out the different threads and join in the conversation.

[Freckles]

Welcome, MJ!
Tell us, do you play piano?
I love piano music...

[MichaelJames]

Welcome, MJ!
Tell us, do you play piano?
I love piano music...

I have studied piano my entire life...I started playing when I was three and started formal lessons at 5. Granted, there have been periods where I have taken a break from formal study, but I've never taken a break from playing.

The Romantic era of piano music is my personal favorite. Chopin, Rachmaninoff, Debussy, Brahms, Liszt are my favorites. Impossible to pick a favorite from the list, although the first two seem to be who I play the most. My coaches/professors periodically assign Bach, Beethoven, Haydn, Mozart (although it's been years since I've studied anything from Mozart)...etc. and while I enjoy learning new pieces by most anyone, they don't pull at my heart strings like the Romantic era.

I play/practice at least 2 hours every day...but usually I play for more like 4-6 hours per day, often 7 days a week. I lost my best friend, companion, wife 18 months ago and if I didn't have my piano to sustain and fulfill me, I never would have made it this far, so complete is my devastation from my loss. My pets bring me great love and comfort, but it is my piano that really has always been my saving grace.

Thank you for asking.

[Freckles]

MJ,
God made me a listener as I have no musical abilities.

I am happy you did not tell me Mozart, Bach, Beethoven were your favorite composers. I could listen to Liszt for hours... well, except for Wagner! hehe Ride of the Valkyries will get my blood stirred as much a Liszt will calm my soul.

I am sorry to hear of your loss. It seems there is sometimes so much pain that is beyond our comprehension. Our pets can sometimes be our greatest "consolers" for they know our hearts and can gentle us.

Glad to have you here!

[Calypso]

Hi all. I am here.

Hi Michael!!

Glad to see you made it over!!!

[Freckles]

Injuries to finger:
JA admitted TWICE on cross by Juan JA injured it in June...
Pic with sister was taken in MAY ... not injured!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4DQof6aYhE

[Calypso]

@Freckles~

[Freckles]

Big errors JA has made. Apparently, she does not have global amnesia but more likely just scattered ground fog...

Sister site, web sleuths:
Post 1703, clipped:

"... Wendy mentioned about Jodi's amnesia that during interrogation, she remembered the knife (with the ninjas). Well Jodi also told Det. Florez that "Travis was screaming", "he was on all 4's", and he could not feel his legs. Jodi also remembered that Travis was "still on the floor", he was "bleeding everywhere", "was not moving a lot, but was still breathing". All this tells she remembers and does not have amnesia. I hope Juan can still get to jurors to look again at the interrogation videos of her telling all of this. ..."


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203990&page=69

[auman58]

Big errors JA has made. Apparently, she does not have global amnesia but more likely just scattered ground fog...

Sister site, web sleuths:
Post 1703, clipped:

"... Wendy mentioned about Jodi's amnesia that during interrogation, she remembered the knife (with the ninjas). Well Jodi also told Det. Florez that "Travis was screaming", "he was on all 4's", and he could not feel his legs. Jodi also remembered that Travis was "still on the floor", he was "bleeding everywhere", "was not moving a lot, but was still breathing". All this tells she remembers and does not have amnesia. I hope Juan can still get to jurors to look again at the interrogation videos of her telling all of this. ..."


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203990&page=69

Agreed, Jodi was the Ninja.

[Mylife101]

Big errors JA has made. Apparently, she does not have global amnesia but more likely just scattered ground fog...

Sister site, web sleuths:
Post 1703, clipped:

"... Wendy mentioned about Jodi's amnesia that during interrogation, she remembered the knife (with the ninjas). Well Jodi also told Det. Florez that "Travis was screaming", "he was on all 4's", and he could not feel his legs. Jodi also remembered that Travis was "still on the floor", he was "bleeding everywhere", "was not moving a lot, but was still breathing". All this tells she remembers and does not have amnesia. I hope Juan can still get to jurors to look again at the interrogation videos of her telling all of this. ..."


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203990&page=69

Yep, there is definitely some truth imbedded in Jodi's lies! Remember, this is when she was trying to make her Ninja story believable by matching the storyline to the evidence that she could remember! Jodi was not yet privy to all of the crime scene evidence...so she had to be relying on memory.......

[Freckles]

clipped-

" ... Arias’ defense team took a page from OJ’s playbook, but because Arias is Mexican instead of black, they couldn’t exactly make the racism claim stick, so they turned to the next most – ahem – stimulating idea they could think of, and the whole trial became a dripping showcase of explicit porn.

Arias had to fabricate a self-defense theory to allow for maximum evidence of sexual activity to be admitted to explain why her over-kill of Travis Alexander was “reasonable.” Had she asserted a more appropriate defense of temporary insanity, instead, she would have been more restricted in her testimony about all the sex stuff because her “reasonableness” would not have been at issue. ..."

" ... Jurors can forgive criminals who lie to law enforcement officials, and they can respect killers who don’t take the stand, but when criminals lie under oath to THEM, jurors vote for guilt with a vengeance. And when defense “experts” take the stand to gild the lily, jurors will vote for guilt even faster because they resent that THEIR tax dollars are being wasted on hired guns...."

"... The list of evidence that proves how much planning went into the murder goes on for pages, which is one reason why no sane person believes Arias was a battered woman who suffered from PTSD when she slaughtered Travis Alexander in an unplanned moment of explosive amnesia. ... "

http://wendymurphylaw.com/jodi-arias-trial/

[Freckles]

@Freckles~

Thanks, Caly!

Ok. We have the broken heart (actually, a copy of a Jewish religion symbol that each person was to wear 1/2 of when apart), we have the pentacles (symbol of the Tarot, witchcraft) , and it appears to be either an outline of a female form seated inside a triangle on the disk OR a stylized Egyptian eye within the pyramid used to ward off evil. And, we have the Snow White sketch where SW has a blackened eye... and that is something Travis has NOT done to JA by ANY reports!

This appears to be ink outlined and pencil shading. It had been folded into thirds.
So. Did Sandy decide to try her hand or is this JA's ?

Really doesn't matter to be as it is just more BS, more distraction, more flak.
But the first time I saw this, it did NOT have ANYTHING other than the SW image.
(BTW, there iw something at the very top of the page which appears cut off...)

[Freckles]

Big errors JA has made. Apparently, she does not have global amnesia but more likely just scattered ground fog...

Sister site, web sleuths:
Post 1703, clipped:

"... Wendy mentioned about Jodi's amnesia that during interrogation, she remembered the knife (with the ninjas). Well Jodi also told Det. Florez that "Travis was screaming", "he was on all 4's", and he could not feel his legs. Jodi also remembered that Travis was "still on the floor", he was "bleeding everywhere", "was not moving a lot, but was still breathing". All this tells she remembers and does not have amnesia. I hope Juan can still get to jurors to look again at the interrogation videos of her telling all of this. ..."


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=203990&page=69

Yep, there is definitely some truth imbedded in Jodi's lies! Remember, this is when she was trying to make her Ninja story believable by matching the storyline to the evidence that she could remember! Jodi was not yet privy to all of the crime scene evidence...so she had to be relying on memory.......

Funny how she could recall more when she blamed it ALL on the ninjas...
Flores let her roll because, IMO, he knew truth was coming forth despite her assigning it to another. He already had the evidence he needed. And BOTH JA and Flores knew it.
Some say JA hates Flores; IMO, she respects him because he did not whine, coax, beg her--- he played it straight up and broke her. She liked his game.

[Mylife101]

What do you think the bug/fly in the bottom image on the Snow White drawing is supposed to be?

[auman58]

What do you think the bug/fly in the bottom image on the Snow White drawing is supposed to be?

Looks like a bee in front of a honeycomb (hex shapes).

[Mylife101]

clipped~
freckles wrote: "Some say JA hates Flores; IMO, she respects him because he did not whine, coax, beg her--- he played it straight up and broke her. She liked his game"

I agree that JA respects Flores for all of the reasons you state except one. She did like his game, but considered herself to be the winner because he did not break her. She never did break and tell the truth. Still hasn't. Hence, her strange laugh in the interrogation tapes followed by a barely audible, "I still beat you.......brat" after Flores left the room.

[MichaelJames]

I thought Wendy's observation was astounding....this killer knew the facts of the case and appointed those facts to the two Ninjas. This simply Must be placed before this jury in order for them to realize the depth of this psycopath's derangement!

I simply HATE this defendant. I despise her loathsome council...I abhor what she has done to Travis and I only hope that NOT ONE SINGLE JUROR buys into her pathetic stream of lies and deception. I cannot remember ever being so fully convinced of true evil as I have witnessed in this case.

The contradictions alone must reach the inevitable conclusion of "Guilty of 1st Degree Murder with the sentance of DEATH!"

[Freckles]

I thought Wendy's observation was astounding....this killer knew the facts of the case and appointed those facts to the two Ninjas. This simply Must be placed before this jury in order for them to realize the depth of this psycopath's derangement!

I simply HATE this defendant. I despise her loathsome council...I abhor what she has done to Travis and I only hope that NOT ONE SINGLE JUROR buys into her pathetic stream of lies and deception. I cannot remember ever being so fully convinced of true evil as I have witnessed in this case.

The contradictions alone must reach the inevitable conclusion of "Guilty of 1st Degree Murder with the sentance of DEATH!"

Yeah. I agree. When I get enraged or discouraged I have to chuckle. Juan Martinez is the king of that court. He knows his business. He has tried over 300 murder cases. He is "feared" by defense attys in AZ... So. I have to let go and trust this man with his craft. (I get tired of the media asking if Juan is too hard, should use different approach, etc. HE knows what he is doing. Period. They need to leave him be to do his job. And stop with all the distracting praise outside the court; let him stay on track. )

Of interest, JM grew up in SoCalifornia in/near Victorville. He would know the interstate rtes JA said she took, etc. Since he went to college in AZ, he would have been traveling to and from his home in Victorville to AZ college.

He is on top of his game. I can't wait until tomorrow AM. And then his rebuttal!

[Mylife101]

Ok, a little research...and I did say "a little"...

http://www.crossroad.to/Books/symbols1.html

What was on Jodi's mind when she drew Snow White pic?

Eye in the pyramid:
ALL-SEEING EYE: A universal symbol representing spiritual sight, inner vision, higher knowledge, insight into occult mysteries. Look at your $1 bill.

Pentagram:
PENTACLE or PENTAGRAM (FIVE-POINTED STAR pointing up): A standard symbol for witches, freemasons, and many other pagan or occult groups. To witches, it represent the four basic elements (wind, water, earth and fire) plus a pantheistic spiritual being such as Gaia or Mother Earth. The pentagram is also "used for protection. to banish energy, or to bring it to you, depending on how it's drawn," wrote a Wiccan visitor. Compare with the next link.
PENTAGRAM (FIVE-POINTED STAR pointing down): Used in occult rituals to direct forces or energies. Often represents satanism, the horned god or various expressions of contemporary occultism, especially when a goat-head is superimposed on the inverted pentagram within a "sacred" circle.
Jodi drew the pentagram pointing down.

The bug/fly like pic at the bottom of the trio:
BUTTERFLY: Reminds Christians of the amazing transformation that takes place through Christ's redemption and regeneration. When "born again," we become "a new creation." (2 Cor. 5:17) To many pagans, its mythical meaning is linked to the soul (of the deceased) in search of reincarnation.
Yes, I think the bottom one is the butterfly. Look at the shape of the outside line drawn around the bug. I think it is a butterfly without spread wings...especially after reading this meaning off the linked web page.

Any other opinions?

[Mylife101]

I thought Wendy's observation was astounding....this killer knew the facts of the case and appointed those facts to the two Ninjas. This simply Must be placed before this jury in order for them to realize the depth of this psycopath's derangement!

I simply HATE this defendant. I despise her loathsome council...I abhor what she has done to Travis and I only hope that NOT ONE SINGLE JUROR buys into her pathetic stream of lies and deception. I cannot remember ever being so fully convinced of true evil as I have witnessed in this case.

The contradictions alone must reach the inevitable conclusion of "Guilty of 1st Degree Murder with the sentance of DEATH!"

Can't say I disagree with any of this. I have always said that the closest we have come to the truth about how the murder took place is the Ninja story. She had not yet been told about or shown all the evidence. She truly wanted to be believed so she would be released and the police would search for Ninjas instead. Because she was highly motivated to be believable, I think there was quite a bit of truth (eg. TA screaming, can't feel his legs, still breathing, but not moving, etc) because she was trying to match what she thought the evidence would show. Jodi remembers everything....but, she will never tell!

[Freckles]

Killer Richard Ramirez (CA), now on death row at San Quentin, had this etched on his body at the time of his trial. And Ramirez is a serial murderer; he would tie up the woman then the man; kill the man in front of the woman before raping the woman. All home invasions.

OF interest: IF it is true the components of a murderer are:
1. head injury to frontal lobe;
2. childhood abuse (physical, emotional)
3. and /or mental illness in family (may be latent and emerging prior to the murder)

then Richard Ramirez would certainly fit the bill as a classic serial murderer.

[Freckles]

On the SW pic:
I see SW, the broken heart, the pentacles, the pyramid eye.
Under the two items on the bottom left, the pentacles and the pyramid eye, there is a "fancy" bow tie. I don't see any honeycombs on this page... ?

[Mylife101]

On the SW pic:
I see SW, the broken heart, the pentacles, the pyramid eye.
Under the two items on the bottom left, the pentacles and the pyramid eye, there is a "fancy" bow tie. I don't see any honeycombs on this page... ?

I don't see honeycombs either. I see a butterfly shaped outline around a butterfly with its wings laid back. Did you happen to see my post above with the link for symbols? It would make sense for her to group this symbol with a mythical meaning of linking to the soul of the deceased (TA) with the other two symbols. Not sure I want to go much farther into the sicko mind of Jodi.

[Mylife101]

Killer Richard Ramirez (CA), now on death row at San Quentin, had this etched on his body at the time of his trial. And Ramirez is a serial murderer; he would tie up the woman then the man; kill the man in front of the woman before raping the woman. All home invasions.

OF interest: IF it is true the components of a murderer are:
1. head injury to frontal lobe;
2. childhood abuse (physical, emotional)
3. and /or mental illness in family (may be latent and emerging prior to the murder)

then Richard Ramirez would certainly fit the bill as a classic serial murderer.

Wow, that's interesting. By "components", I assume you mean all 3 can usually be expected to be true and present, not any one of the three. Is that correct? Number one is the constant, and then add #2 and/or #3. If this "formula" for a murderer is true, I wonder what would constitute #1 for JA? I do not believe we have heard about any head injury. Number 2 would be her "perceived" abuse by parents. Number 3 ???

[Freckles]

On the SW pic:
I see SW, the broken heart, the pentacles, the pyramid eye.
Under the two items on the bottom left, the pentacles and the pyramid eye, there is a "fancy" bow tie. I don't see any honeycombs on this page... ?

I don't see honeycombs either. I see a butterfly shaped outline around a butterfly with its wings laid back. Did you happen to see my post above with the link for symbols? It would make sense for her to group this symbol with a mythical meaning of linking to the soul of the deceased (TA) with the other two symbols. Not sure I want to go much farther into the sicko mind of Jodi.

That is what I thot was a "fancy" bow! lol. Regardless, I seriously don't think this is the same artist who drew a lot of the stuff on ebay...

[Freckles]

Killer Richard Ramirez (CA), now on death row at San Quentin, had this etched on his body at the time of his trial. And Ramirez is a serial murderer; he would tie up the woman then the man; kill the man in front of the woman before raping the woman. All home invasions.

OF interest: IF it is true the components of a murderer are:
1. head injury to frontal lobe;
2. childhood abuse (physical, emotional)
3. and /or mental illness in family (may be latent and emerging prior to the murder)

then Richard Ramirez would certainly fit the bill as a classic serial murderer.

Wow, that's interesting. By "components", I assume you mean all 3 can usually be expected to be true and present, not any one of the three. Is that correct? Number one is the constant, and then add #2 and/or #3. If this "formula" for a murderer is true, I wonder what would constitute #1 for JA? I do not believe we have heard about any head injury. Number 2 would be her "perceived" abuse by parents. Number 3 ???

IIRC, I posted on the MAIN THREAD a bunch of vid links for the scales developed for use for various murders from the passion, rage, schemer, psychotic, partner, serial, etc. The scales run from 1-20 or something like that. The developer was a man named Stone. According to his theory in determining WHO would be a murderer: anyone who is psychotic/mentally ill or with genetic predisposition qualifies without the other two factors; however, with child abuse AND head trauma to the FRONTAL lobe the person would be more inclined to commit murder as they do not have the proper brain functions for creating "borders" to not cross; ie, they haven't the ability to put stops on their behavior or to see the consequences of their actions.
(He did not address it BUT I have wonder how drugs would work on the brain to diminish frontal lob activity for making wise choices.)

His vids were interesting because they discussed the clinical while exampling actual cases. Lot easier to follow his discussion. And Stone went to the prison to obtain one-on-one interviews with the killers.

IF there was childhood abuse without head trauma, the person would likely NOT commit a murder; boundaries are established.

IF there was head trauma without childhood abuse, the person would likely NOT commit a murder as boundaries are established.

It all gets negated, however with mental illness. While not all mentally ill person commit ANY crime, the odds go up SIGNIFICANTLY when head trauma and childhood abuse is added. And with just mental illness, it is the trump card--- don't need the other two to activate the murderer as boundaries were proably never established. All about boundaries/borders which is respecting the rights of self and others. That is very strong for socialization and when it is not developed, well, they think anything goes!

Scale, examples, and Discovery titles found on youtube:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_Evil

[Mylife101]

OK. That makes sense. We discussed the scales when we debated JA's #. I think we all pretty much settled on #14 for Jodi. I just didn't get to listen to the actual video's yet. I will try to give them a listen today. Really interesting stuff! Thanks for sharing.

[Freckles]

IMPROPRIETIES FROM JA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M3LUlaf6XU&feature=youtu.be

[Freckles]

This is JA with Bobby Juarez.
3 pics from HLN.
JA was @ 15 yrs old in the pic.
I can not help but notice the poorly kept room she shared with him; it reminded me of how unkempt and fithy she kept her room at her grandparents and the contrast to the neatness, cleanliness of Travis.

In th one pic, observe JA has braids.
AND she is wearing a super hero shirt--- of Superman.
Other than swimwear Travis wore when he was @4 yrs old, have you seen him wearing ANY superhero shirts, caps, or even stating he LIKED any of the superheroes?
In the May 2008 phone tape with JA, Travis states he HATED Spiderman. So. Who has this fantasy... JA or Travis?

JA in Her Younger Years
April 11, 2013
Dr. Drew on call

http://www.hlntv.com/slideshow/2013/04/11/jodi-arias-her-younger-years-bobby-juarez



Tesstruhart shared this on main thread, #13, p 19:

" I FOUND #JodiArias bf BOBBY JUAREZ alive and well. i have his current address, phone, driv lic, arrest record, employ twitter.com/stark3923/stat…
— chris stark (@stark3923) April 14, 2013"

" Bobby Juarez CALLED #JodiArias mother and told Sandy that JA was bipolar and Bobby called HOTLINE. JA stalked him. I found him ALIVE N WELL
— chris stark (@stark3923) April 14, 2013"

Then we have Lori Kaye sharing a youtube vid supposedly made in Hawaii:
@9:38 she mentions JA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLiFyta_6nE

Second vid by same artist:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rN6c40Hsko

Third vid confirms identity of Bobby Juarez: @ 00:13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWZmckn_j24

Fourth vid:
Gives name, Loren; speaks of her healing beliefs re JA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=0H3UJ9LjwL0&feature=endscreen

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Post 10193:

" Quote Originally Posted by dizzyp View Post
re Bobby Juarez: is that 10 Dec 1977 or 12 Oct 1977?


That is Robert A Juarez, Pico Rivera, CA.
the best match I have found is this:

Name: Joseph Robert Juarez (1st names reversed)
Birth: 5 Jul 1978 - San Joaquin, California

but I haven't found a current listing for him. still researching.

btw: There's a woman in Hawaii that claims she was his girlfriend and that he abused her...
she has a photo of them together (he was an extra on the TV show "Lost" filmed in Hawaii) here's her YouTube page: https://www.youtube.com/user/missunbounded?feature=watch
I think one reason Bobby is "off the radar" and info is so hard to find, is that he may not have papers. I re-watched Jodi's first day on the stand and she talks about the fact that he didn't have and couldn't get a birth certificate. His "parents/grandparents" raised him and she mentioned that he was "adopted". The only free info I can dig up says he has lived in: Honolulu, HI
Medford, OR
Yreka, CA
Kapaa, HI

his age is listed as 35 so think he wll be 36 by years' end. idk...just some thoughts...... "

http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthread.php?26892-Jodi-Ann-Arias-shot-and-stabbed-her-ex-boyfriend-Travis-Alexander-to-death-%28Part-II%29/page408

Pics, some info:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Bobby_Juarez

[Freckles]

Stalking: An old pattern with JA:


http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthread.php?26892-Jodi-Ann-Arias-shot-and-stabbed-her-ex-boyfriend-Travis-Alexander-to-death-%28Part-II%29/page382

#9532

" I was reading the old thread from early on. This was posted in April of 2009. I find it interesting in that I don't think at that time similar stories of Jodi were put out there. We know she peeped in Travis's windows, but back in 2009 was all the evidence out there? I'm thinking not because they didn't even release crime scene photos yet. So it would appear to me (this is for you Alyce) that there was a pattern with Jodi.

I found this comment left today on the cbsnews.com website. The one of Jodi speaking out about why she is smiling in her mug shot. I know there has to be many more stories out there about this crazy biotch. Anyway here is one which to me is pretty creepy :-o


I wouldn't say I know Jodi, but I have met her several times, in the summer of 97' I was able to whitness her "handy work" first hand.
She had a prior relationship with a man I was visiting in Yreka, CA. While I was on my way up to see him she broke into his home and cut the telephone wires, and there were a few times during my visit that she would peep through the windows and watch us in the house.
When she was properly introduced to me she seemed so nice that you totally forgot all the bizarre things she was doing. And what struck me was, she made no attempt to hide what she was doing...either that or she just wasn't very good at [/b[b]]snooping.
Posted by JadeL "

[Freckles]

Lisa Andrews D.: Stalker letter attributed to JA

post ...from a WS post. I know that you are looking for this letter and I found it by accident, I am not very computer savvy , so I hope I have transferred this properly.

... text from the anonymous email sent to Lisa, right after the tire slashing:

"You are a shameful whore. Your Heavenly Father must be deeply ashamed of the whoredoms you've committed with that insidious man. If you let him stay in your bed one more time or even sleep under the same roof as him, you will be giving the appearance of evil. You are driving, away the Holy Ghost. and you are wasting your time. You are also compromising your salvation and breaking your baptismal covenants. Of all the commandments to break, committing acts of whoredom is one of the most displeasing in the eyes of the Lord. You cannot be ashamed enough of yourself. You are filthy, and you need to repent and become clean in the eyes of God. Think about your future husband, and how you disrespect not only yourself, but him, as well as the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Is that what you want for yourself? Your future , your salvation, and your posterity is resting on your choices and actions . You are a daughter of God, and you have been a shameful example. Be thou clean, sin no more. Heavenly Father loves you and wants you to make the right choices. I know you are strong enough to choose the right. Your Father in Heaven is pulling for you. Don't ignore the promptings you receive, because they are vital to your spiritual well-being.'

[Freckles]

Listen to ALL the contradictions JA spins!!!
Less than 3 minutes long.

--Like how she says she was in another state when she was officially notified by Travis' friends.
--Also, she heard there was "quite a struggle..."
--Said she could not identify the two perps when shown a photo line up... huh? Was she ever shown pics of anyone but herself??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ymyhl2Ys6BU#!

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