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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by Hinky Refugee Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:22 pm
Yknot wrote:Here is a link from a JVM interview stating that “sources” have info that Jodi was originally supposed to be Travis’ guest on the Cancun trip—then he switched to Mimi before the tickets were bought.
I have read on this blog that Jodi bought sunscreen on her June trip before the killing. Does anyone know when/where she bought the sunscreen? I checked the Walmart receipt and there are 2 purchases for $9.92—but can’t tell what that was for? Was there testimony that she bought sunscreen on the road trip?
http://current.com/1urnnkc
IIRC, when Juan slammed her butt on Walmart had no records of a returned gas can...he showed the receipt from Walmart that showed the sunscreen and 2 face cleansers on the receipt with the gas can purchase.
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by justanopinion Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:40 pm
Hinky Refugee wrote:I asked:
Please will someone look at this at the 1:00:15 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6USg__UaHLs
Jodie reaches with her right hand to the corner of the desk and gets a group of papers with the evidence tag on it. Please tell me if you see this and what she did with the exhibit afterwards?
TYIA (from the legal site @ websleuths the Arizona attorney states Jodi cannot handle/touch/whatever exhibits if I read correctly).
You answered:
I noticed that as well but I did not notice what happened to them. She initially acted like she was going to take them but I think she placed them between Willmot and herself so she could read them.. didn't show it again that I saw!!
My reponse:
If you watch (the camera is off and on Jodie and the sidebar for around 8 mins IIRC.
She initially places the court evidence documents on the table on Wilmonts side and then moves them to her right side and sort of slides her notebook over the evidence papers. Really hinky imo. Ty for responding :)[/quote]
I will take another look tomorrow morning when there are no distractions and I can stay focused...
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by Hinky Refugee Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:44 pm
Response from Mylife101:Yes, you are right. This would be very difficult if not impossible to prove. It's just my hypothesis of the "traveling" camera and camera angles. Fortunately, JM doesn't need to prove exactly what really did happen. He only has to prove that JA's version of events are lies: thus, meaning that the truth lies elsewhere. I think JM is doing a pretty darn good job of that.
Sorry for responding inside the same post. I couldn't get the "quote" button to seperate them.
Lol, from Hinky to 101: I can't get the quote button to work right half the time.
I agree with you Juan has absolutely been fantastic on slamming Jodi and her defense team.
So, am I being paranoid in worrying that the jury will not question how the situation went from taking photo's to murder in the matter of seconds? I just got stuck on how did the camera wind up on the floor, unless Jodi added truth to her lies and it really did fall. It would be reasonable to me to say well it was a camera Jodi was not used to. And in deleting the photo's as they were being taken, (sure do not see how in the timeframe) she dropped it. Then she adds Travis got furious as one of her lies. Her danged lies boggles my mind!
Sorry for responding inside the same post. I couldn't get the "quote" button to seperate them.
Lol, from Hinky to 101: I can't get the quote button to work right half the time.
I agree with you Juan has absolutely been fantastic on slamming Jodi and her defense team.
So, am I being paranoid in worrying that the jury will not question how the situation went from taking photo's to murder in the matter of seconds? I just got stuck on how did the camera wind up on the floor, unless Jodi added truth to her lies and it really did fall. It would be reasonable to me to say well it was a camera Jodi was not used to. And in deleting the photo's as they were being taken, (sure do not see how in the timeframe) she dropped it. Then she adds Travis got furious as one of her lies. Her danged lies boggles my mind!
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by ShellJett Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:02 pm
I keep going back to the beginning - her phone calls to Flores then her 2 videotaped interrogations. When she said male intruder went through her purse and found her address on her car registration I just thought that was odd. Later saw her drivers license has a P.O. Box for an address, so she had to make up that little tidbit. An example of how she calculates almost everything she says when she has time to think. She does it constantly and has had access to all of the evidence for years. When she is spontaneous it contradicts something she said earlier.
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by justanopinion Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:08 pm
ShellJett wrote:I keep going back to the beginning - her phone calls to Flores then her 2 videotaped interrogations. When she said male intruder went through her purse and found her address on her car registration I just thought that was odd. Later saw her drivers license has a P.O. Box for an address, so she had to make up that little tidbit. An example of how she calculates almost everything she says when she has time to think. She does it constantly and has had access to all of the evidence for years. When she is spontaneous it contradicts something she said earlier.
wow good observation!!
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by Calypso Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:12 pm
Hinky Refugee wrote:Response from Mylife101:Yes, you are right. This would be very difficult if not impossible to prove. It's just my hypothesis of the "traveling" camera and camera angles. Fortunately, JM doesn't need to prove exactly what really did happen. He only has to prove that JA's version of events are lies: thus, meaning that the truth lies elsewhere. I think JM is doing a pretty darn good job of that.
Sorry for responding inside the same post. I couldn't get the "quote" button to seperate them.
Lol, from Hinky to 101: I can't get the quote button to work right half the time.
I agree with you Juan has absolutely been fantastic on slamming Jodi and her defense team.
So, am I being paranoid in worrying that the jury will not question how the situation went from taking photo's to murder in the matter of seconds? I just got stuck on how did the camera wind up on the floor, unless Jodi added truth to her lies and it really did fall. It would be reasonable to me to say well it was a camera Jodi was not used to. And in deleting the photo's as they were being taken, (sure do not see how in the timeframe) she dropped it. Then she adds Travis got furious as one of her lies. Her danged lies boggles my mind!
Hey Hinky~
Was on THM for a while myself- (Rebecca Zahau mostly) glad you're here, WELCOME to the forum~
JA is so full of crap and she expects to charm everyone else into believing her story.
We have to remember, which is really super duper difficult to do, the jurors are not privy to ALL the information we see on the internet everyday. If they were, they may have already taken her out back with a shovel.
They, hopefully, will have enough information that JM has presented, looked at the evidence and realized this cannot possibly be how and why TA died at JA's hand.
They're only going on what has been presented in court.
Jodi Arias has sat in jail for the last what?.....5 years? As a former Detention Officer, I can tell you she has met other inmates, shared stories, shared experiences and learned much, much more. She has had every opportunity to read whatever material has been available, and learned how to work the system.
Furthermore, the most important thing, she has had 24/7 for the last 5 years to perfect her story and convince herself this is the truth that she is spouting.
In the meantime, law abiding citizens are loosing their homes, can't pay their bills, can't get medical treatment and some don't even know where their next meal is coming from and here's this bitch, who's done about the worst thing imaginable, getting a free ride on everyone's tax dollars. WTH!
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by Mylife101 Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:13 pm
Hinky Refugee wrote:Response from Mylife101:Yes, you are right. This would be very difficult if not impossible to prove. It's just my hypothesis of the "traveling" camera and camera angles. Fortunately, JM doesn't need to prove exactly what really did happen. He only has to prove that JA's version of events are lies: thus, meaning that the truth lies elsewhere. I think JM is doing a pretty darn good job of that.
Sorry for responding inside the same post. I couldn't get the "quote" button to seperate them.
Lol, from Hinky to 101: I can't get the quote button to work right half the time.
I agree with you Juan has absolutely been fantastic on slamming Jodi and her defense team.
So, am I being paranoid in worrying that the jury will not question how the situation went from taking photo's to murder in the matter of seconds? I just got stuck on how did the camera wind up on the floor, unless Jodi added truth to her lies and it really did fall. It would be reasonable to me to say well it was a camera Jodi was not used to. And in deleting the photo's as they were being taken, (sure do not see how in the timeframe) she dropped it. Then she adds Travis got furious as one of her lies. Her danged lies boggles my mind!
No, I don't think you are being paranoid at all because juries have a lot of latitude in how they arrive at their decisions and it is hard to predict what a jury will focus on in deliberations. In this case we have more insight to the juries thoughts because they are allowed to ask questions. Based on the number of doubtful, sarcastic, and border line insulting questions this jury has asked I think we are in pretty good shape for a guilty M1 verdict. The jurors asking these type of questions clearly aren't buying any of it and will hold strong to their convictions that JA is full of BS. So, IMO, even if the jury has a hold out or two, the worst thing that will happen is a hung jury. Your thoughts?
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by Freckles Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:24 pm
Exactly! This is what I thought when I first saw the pics. WTH? This office is so neat!tesstruhart wrote:This is interesting. This is the desk where JA says her and Travis had sex...very neat sex don't you think? Doesn't look like there was anything wild going on here.#JodiArias Travis large OFFICE w/Cell Phone & Laptop window shade open twitter.com/stark3923/stat…
— chris stark (@stark3923) March 24, 2013
She would have splayed her hands across the desk possibly pushing stuff aside or even to the floor! Where? Instead, we find her checks neatly organized and items on the desk precisely placed. No sign here?
Move on, JA! 
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by Calypso Sun Mar 24, 2013 7:57 pm
Freckles wrote:Exactly! This is what I thought when I first saw the pics. WTH? This office is so neat!tesstruhart wrote:This is interesting. This is the desk where JA says her and Travis had sex...very neat sex don't you think? Doesn't look like there was anything wild going on here.#JodiArias Travis large OFFICE w/Cell Phone & Laptop window shade open twitter.com/stark3923/stat…
— chris stark (@stark3923) March 24, 2013
She would have splayed her hands across the desk possibly pushing stuff aside or even to the floor! Where? Instead, we find her checks neatly organized and items on the desk precisely placed. No sign here?
Here~
JA did a "clean up" remember?
Everything was nice a neat, like nothing happened in there- did she clean this room up as not to alert the others in the house?
Someone mentioned her checks were there all nice and neat on the desk. Funny, her checks were left out in the open there like that. What was she thinking by leaving her checks there out in the open, was this like her signature?
Was she writing TA checks and had to add money to her bank account to cover the checks?
How much did she actually owe TA?
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by Calypso Sun Mar 24, 2013 8:05 pm
Off Topic:
Just reading about using evaporated milk to make instant pudding. Someone also said in Aruba they make White Russians and Kahlua & Cream using evaporated milk. Said it was great. Interesting!!
Just reading about using evaporated milk to make instant pudding. Someone also said in Aruba they make White Russians and Kahlua & Cream using evaporated milk. Said it was great. Interesting!!
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by olivier57 Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:58 am
I agree with previous posts, I followed several trials and murders stories, murderers are always able to tell a twisted version of what really happened. I wanted to add "unless they are catched red-handed". But no... Even in this case, "I'm sorry but he fell on the knife when running to me". You get out of jail like OJ or CA.
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by 18thcenturylady Mon Mar 25, 2013 7:30 am
This is one of those cases where IMO the evidence is overwhelming, but IF the jury gets hung up on false ideas (like thinking the gunshot was first), and unimportant and meaningless minutae, such as HOW did the camera take the unintentional shots, then we could end up with a jury and a verdict like the Casey Anthony case.
Like others here I was an avid participant on the Hinky Meter until after the verdict when I lost all heart to ever follow another trial. I inadvertently got involved in this one, which I fervently hope will not go the way of CA verdict.
The jury will be instructed that THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF THROWING OUT ALL OR PART OF JODI'S TESTIMONY BECAUSE SHE IS AN ADMITTED LIAR.
Murder is a clandestine act by nature. 'Caught red handed' is for the movies. Guilt is shown by the preponderance of evidence and by USING COMMON SENSE---Something the CA jury threw out the window.
People have commented over and over in this case that the "devil is in the details"----details that must be taken ALL TOGETHER to form a LOGICAL CONCLUSION.
IF someone gets fixated on WANTING to believe that Travis was shot first, despite evidence that proves that is not true, then their thinking in the whole deliberation process will be skewed.
Guilt must be determined "beyond a REASONABLE doubt", NOT BEYOND ALL DOUBT IN THE WORLD!
The CA jury was lazy of course, but they also refused to look at the big picture and put all the pieces together TO THE ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION ONE COULD COME TO. (God knows how they rationalized that perhaps Caylee was not murdered when she was duck taped, stuffed into 3 bags and dumped into a swamp and ONLY her mum's car had the "smell of death", but for some reason, I believe they let fatigue, dislike for some witnesses, and irrational and illogical thinking sidetrack them completely.
The evidence clearly shows in this case that Jodi's version of events is ILLOGICAL, AND IMPOSSIBLE! Travis was attacked with a knife and fought for his life until his throat was cut and he was then completely immobile and bled out the rest of the way in seconds. He was dragged down the hall and back to the bathroom, where he was shot most likely after he was already dead, 'for good measure' by Jodi, the shell casing landing smack on top of a good bit of blood already there from the knife attack.
Whether the camera was on a strap or not is not important here. The FACTS say that that camera fell or was kicked several times, resulting in PHOTOS TAKEN THAT WERE NOT INTENTIONAL OR PLANNED WHATSOEVER. In the big picture, it doesn't matter how. We know Travis didn't do it. He was incapable very early on in the knife attack, and trying only to protect himself and get away. What is important is that in the initial struggle, and during her efforts to drag him down the hall, the camera button was kicked or knocked somehow, and the photos resulted.
Similarly, the gun, the gas cans, the receipts, the lack of receipts, and more ALL TOGETHER TELLS A TALE OF PREMEDITATION, but the jury has to use common sense and realize that there is NO OTHER RATIONAL, REASONABLE CONCLUSION TO COME TO OTHER THAN GUILT.
Juries like motives or reasons, and for this reason, the point I was trying to make in a post the other day was that I think the prosecution needs to stress and show evidence for not only Travis' lack of involvement in ANY porn/deviant behavior, but also instances of Jodi's complete obsession with him and aggressive behavior to others whom she perceived as threats or rivals.
I think the danger in any case such as this is in the possibility that certain jury members may have OCD or lack simple common sense, and go off on dead-end tangents that preclude justice from ever happening.
Juan is my hero, and my desire and opinion that he should present certain facts in rebuttal to show Jodi's jealousy AND out of control obsession with Travis more clearly than they have, as well as attempting to do damage control to refute Jodi's character assassination of him, is not a criticism. IMO failure to do so would be a huge mistake, and would be leaving the jury with too many excuses for wrong-headed thinking.
*(While some here disagree with me about the importance of this, you are entitled to your opinion. For myself, I think it is SO important, I will go on record saying that I will not be suprised at a disastrous verdict IF these things are not addressed further. We have all been taking for granted and operating with the knowledge of every little thing Jodi did or said with regard to harassing other women in Travis' life, physical instances of stalking Travis, bizarre behavior on police interrogation tapes, and much more, as well as being privy to details of Travis' TRUE personality and character---THE JURY HAS NOT! Some things were merely 'hinted at' in court, and in many cases the jury has been left wondering about Travis' morals, and if Jodi was really obsessed or not. UNLESS the jury is made aware of MORE of the backstory in this case and the true reasons for Jodi's actions, IN ADDITION TO clearing up any doubts about Travis Alexander, there is A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY THAT SOME JURORS WILL MAKE SERIOUS ERRORS IN JUDGEMENT, as we have seen in the past. I HAVE heard MANY lawyers on TV and others agree with me.)
Like others here I was an avid participant on the Hinky Meter until after the verdict when I lost all heart to ever follow another trial. I inadvertently got involved in this one, which I fervently hope will not go the way of CA verdict.
The jury will be instructed that THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF THROWING OUT ALL OR PART OF JODI'S TESTIMONY BECAUSE SHE IS AN ADMITTED LIAR.
Murder is a clandestine act by nature. 'Caught red handed' is for the movies. Guilt is shown by the preponderance of evidence and by USING COMMON SENSE---Something the CA jury threw out the window.
People have commented over and over in this case that the "devil is in the details"----details that must be taken ALL TOGETHER to form a LOGICAL CONCLUSION.
IF someone gets fixated on WANTING to believe that Travis was shot first, despite evidence that proves that is not true, then their thinking in the whole deliberation process will be skewed.
Guilt must be determined "beyond a REASONABLE doubt", NOT BEYOND ALL DOUBT IN THE WORLD!
The CA jury was lazy of course, but they also refused to look at the big picture and put all the pieces together TO THE ONLY LOGICAL CONCLUSION ONE COULD COME TO. (God knows how they rationalized that perhaps Caylee was not murdered when she was duck taped, stuffed into 3 bags and dumped into a swamp and ONLY her mum's car had the "smell of death", but for some reason, I believe they let fatigue, dislike for some witnesses, and irrational and illogical thinking sidetrack them completely.
The evidence clearly shows in this case that Jodi's version of events is ILLOGICAL, AND IMPOSSIBLE! Travis was attacked with a knife and fought for his life until his throat was cut and he was then completely immobile and bled out the rest of the way in seconds. He was dragged down the hall and back to the bathroom, where he was shot most likely after he was already dead, 'for good measure' by Jodi, the shell casing landing smack on top of a good bit of blood already there from the knife attack.
Whether the camera was on a strap or not is not important here. The FACTS say that that camera fell or was kicked several times, resulting in PHOTOS TAKEN THAT WERE NOT INTENTIONAL OR PLANNED WHATSOEVER. In the big picture, it doesn't matter how. We know Travis didn't do it. He was incapable very early on in the knife attack, and trying only to protect himself and get away. What is important is that in the initial struggle, and during her efforts to drag him down the hall, the camera button was kicked or knocked somehow, and the photos resulted.
Similarly, the gun, the gas cans, the receipts, the lack of receipts, and more ALL TOGETHER TELLS A TALE OF PREMEDITATION, but the jury has to use common sense and realize that there is NO OTHER RATIONAL, REASONABLE CONCLUSION TO COME TO OTHER THAN GUILT.
Juries like motives or reasons, and for this reason, the point I was trying to make in a post the other day was that I think the prosecution needs to stress and show evidence for not only Travis' lack of involvement in ANY porn/deviant behavior, but also instances of Jodi's complete obsession with him and aggressive behavior to others whom she perceived as threats or rivals.
I think the danger in any case such as this is in the possibility that certain jury members may have OCD or lack simple common sense, and go off on dead-end tangents that preclude justice from ever happening.
Juan is my hero, and my desire and opinion that he should present certain facts in rebuttal to show Jodi's jealousy AND out of control obsession with Travis more clearly than they have, as well as attempting to do damage control to refute Jodi's character assassination of him, is not a criticism. IMO failure to do so would be a huge mistake, and would be leaving the jury with too many excuses for wrong-headed thinking.
*(While some here disagree with me about the importance of this, you are entitled to your opinion. For myself, I think it is SO important, I will go on record saying that I will not be suprised at a disastrous verdict IF these things are not addressed further. We have all been taking for granted and operating with the knowledge of every little thing Jodi did or said with regard to harassing other women in Travis' life, physical instances of stalking Travis, bizarre behavior on police interrogation tapes, and much more, as well as being privy to details of Travis' TRUE personality and character---THE JURY HAS NOT! Some things were merely 'hinted at' in court, and in many cases the jury has been left wondering about Travis' morals, and if Jodi was really obsessed or not. UNLESS the jury is made aware of MORE of the backstory in this case and the true reasons for Jodi's actions, IN ADDITION TO clearing up any doubts about Travis Alexander, there is A VERY REAL POSSIBILITY THAT SOME JURORS WILL MAKE SERIOUS ERRORS IN JUDGEMENT, as we have seen in the past. I HAVE heard MANY lawyers on TV and others agree with me.)
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by olivier57 Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:02 am
18th, thanks for correcting my mistake. It's sounds likely possible that it was not JA but Travis who was chased along the hall and that the pics were taken by kicks on a fallen camera. I hope JM is going to explain and argument such a scenario.
One can remember that at the beginning, I had no "a priori" and even thought she was good looking. Eventually, a picture stays in my mind, beyond all evidences, the slitted throat of a man proves that this was only rage, anger and never self-defence.
One can remember that at the beginning, I had no "a priori" and even thought she was good looking. Eventually, a picture stays in my mind, beyond all evidences, the slitted throat of a man proves that this was only rage, anger and never self-defence.
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by Bmore Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:08 am
I donated to the paypal fund for TA's family... This is the response I received back.
Thank you so much for the support. We really do appreciate it. This trial has gone so much longer then expected and I'm not sure what we would have done without all the support of such caring and thoughtful people, such as you. A supporter started a petition to create a new law reference unsubstantiated claims against murder victims and want's to name it "Travis Alexander's law" If you have a chance click on the link below and fill out the form. It took me about 30 seconds to do and it's for a good cause. If you don't want to, that's ok too. Thanks again for your support.
Sincerely,
Samantha Alexander
Here's the link...
https://www.change.org/petitions/create-travis-alexander-s-law-stop-allowing-unsubstantiated-claims-about-murder-victims
Thank you so much for the support. We really do appreciate it. This trial has gone so much longer then expected and I'm not sure what we would have done without all the support of such caring and thoughtful people, such as you. A supporter started a petition to create a new law reference unsubstantiated claims against murder victims and want's to name it "Travis Alexander's law" If you have a chance click on the link below and fill out the form. It took me about 30 seconds to do and it's for a good cause. If you don't want to, that's ok too. Thanks again for your support.
Sincerely,
Samantha Alexander
Here's the link...
https://www.change.org/petitions/create-travis-alexander-s-law-stop-allowing-unsubstantiated-claims-about-murder-victims
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by 18thcenturylady Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:18 am
Bmore wrote:I donated to the paypal fund for TA's family... This is the response I received back.
Thank you so much for the support. We really do appreciate it. This trial has gone so much longer then expected and I'm not sure what we would have done without all the support of such caring and thoughtful people, such as you. A supporter started a petition to create a new law reference unsubstantiated claims against murder victims and want's to name it "Travis Alexander's law" If you have a chance click on the link below and fill out the form. It took me about 30 seconds to do and it's for a good cause. If you don't want to, that's ok too. Thanks again for your support.
Sincerely,
Samantha Alexander
Here's the link...
https://www.change.org/petitions/create-travis-alexander-s-law-stop-allowing-unsubstantiated-claims-about-murder-victims
It's about time!!! I signed this and I hope they get a zillion signatures! IMO a murderer should NOT be permitted to manufacture a fictitcious defense by means of trashing the victim's reputation in court with UNSUBSTANTIATED accusations and without serious corroborating evidence! I am really praying that our country will finally do the right thing, admit to and correct an extremely flawed justice system that SHOULD be the model for the world, and ultimately pass 'Travis Alexander's Law'
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by carlakay Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:24 am
Hinky Refugee wrote:carlakay wrote:I am curious as to why some here are disregarding the ME's professional opinion that the gunshot wound came last?
CarlaKay I am not at all convinced the shot came first. The facts we do know is that somehow Travis got to the sink and the blood splatter pattern contained saliva (IIRC). Somehow Travis made it to the entrance to the bedroom and the most blood was in that spot. A stab to the heart, as happened, would allow him to be able to make it to the sink and down that hall. (According to the ME and my knowledge of the human organs functions.) IMO this is where she slit his throat. The heart still pumping and the cut blood vessels would be sending a large spurting stream of blood. There is no evidence of that amount of blood spurting out anywhere else. And, IIRC, Travis's wind pipe was not severed by the throat slashing. (Even a seasoned person cringes at this fact).
A dying/dead body does make horrific sounds.
I have not missed a moment of this trial. I have went back and rewatched a lot of it. At one point I found myself saying in my mind to something asked: "Well the gun was in the bathroom, Travis got it to cut the rope." That was when I realized even I was letting Jodi's lies/half truths get to me. So I began my own list of the facts. This is what the jury will have to do to come to a decision.
And, although I think the questions from the jury do indicate how strongly they are not falling for Jodi's lies....I have to stop and remember we do not know how many of them are writing those questions. So, Juan has to tie it up for them in a nice neat bow and leave nothing to doubt.
One other thought on the facts. The knife used. It sure had to be sharp! And it had to be one that Jodi could grip the handle well enough to protect her bloody hands from getting anything but a few small scrapes on two fingers.
The saliva mixed with blood in the sink does not confirm a head shot came first. The bullet was lodged in the cheek but did not penetrate the oral cavity. The chest wound however could of and most likely did cause him to aspirate into the sink and I highly doubt the sink was the only area that contained a mix of his blood and saliva too. After that chest wound HIS fight or flight mentality went into hyperoverdrive as the good baboon explained both can take place at the same time..he started fighting back as he attempted to make his way down that hall for safety. The heart wound would not of been instantly fatal..he was bleeding out quickly from it tho..making him weak..already confused with shock. I believe the cluster of wounds in his back happened during this time as he was more than likely struggling to stay on his feet before sliding down the wall onto all fours trying to get down that hall. I do believe he collapsed just at the end of the tile and I know for a fact his wind pipe most certainly was severed when she slit his throat so he could no longer scream at that point. He died at the end of that hallway..of this I have absolutely no doubt.
Is it the fact your mind just cant imagine the depravity it would take someone to shoot a corpse maybe? Well hate to tell ya but there are those who can and I believe she did so for one reason and one reason alone..because it bored her to extremes every single time she was forced to listen to Travis tell of his near death experience of having a gun pointed at his head. That is how the mind of a sociopath works..
Also as to whoever tried explaining why no blood would be found on the shell casing.. In a enclosed space such as that bathroom..every single time Jodi brought the knife back up from one stab wound before bring it down to inflict another blood cast off flew off the knife and landed on the walls..ceiling..floor..everywhere..combine that with a man who was trying to fight back with massive wounds to his hands that were bleeding profusely and aspirating all over.. there was blood everywhere in that bathroom. Even had the shot came first as she claims and the casing got kicked around on the floor in that room it is highly unlikely it would eventually come to rest on a pool of congealed blood completely clean. It would have had to of had some sort of blood on it. There was none.
Also for 18th and others who really want more brought in about the stalking and prior crazy behavior..while in our minds and I am sure his loved ones it is extremely important that all these ugly accusations she has made toward his character be cleared up it is NOT imperitave to this case. I am sorry that is just how these things go..Juan dont need to make it clear Jodi is a liar..Juan dont need to make it clear she was obsessively jealous..Juan dont need to prove which wound came first and he dont need to make it clear Travis wasnt a pervert..ALL he has to do is prove Jodi Arias premeditated and carried out the murder of Travis Alexander and that Travis suffered. I think he has.
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by 18thcenturylady Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:52 am
Bmore wrote:I donated to the paypal fund for TA's family... This is the response I received back.
Thank you so much for the support. We really do appreciate it. This trial has gone so much longer then expected and I'm not sure what we would have done without all the support of such caring and thoughtful people, such as you. A supporter started a petition to create a new law reference unsubstantiated claims against murder victims and want's to name it "Travis Alexander's law" If you have a chance click on the link below and fill out the form. It took me about 30 seconds to do and it's for a good cause. If you don't want to, that's ok too. Thanks again for your support.
Sincerely,
Samantha Alexander
Here's the link...
https://www.change.org/petitions/create-travis-alexander-s-law-stop-allowing-unsubstantiated-claims-about-murder-victims
BMore, did you mail a check, or did you use paypal on one of those sites set up? I am seeing several now, and don't know if all or any are 'legit'. Wondering where the BEST place to send donations would be, so that they do indeed receive them?
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by Bmore Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:55 am
here is the one that Clancy spoke about the other night on HLN, this FB page has a paypal link...
https://www.facebook.com/TravisAlexanderFund
I didn't give to this one, it was another one...
I pasted this email into my paypal for sending money...
justice4travisalexander@gmail.com
If you want to send something by mail there is this address:
Tanisha Sorenson
ALS
700 E. Redlands Blvd. STE U 304
Redlands, CA. 92373
https://www.facebook.com/TravisAlexanderFund
I didn't give to this one, it was another one...
I pasted this email into my paypal for sending money...
justice4travisalexander@gmail.com
If you want to send something by mail there is this address:
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by Bmore Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:04 am
I'm with you Carla but humans want to understand, the one lady on HLN said that's why were so into this case and Caylee's... Because it doesn't make sense to us and our minds make us try and figure it out so we keep watching, getting new info hoping it'll help ease our minds on how someone could do this... Problem is JA isn't the norm so us normal people will never understand why/how... It's like that earworm song that plays in your head and won't go away...
The state doesn't need to provide or prove motive but if it can be provided then it damn sure better be there or some people just won't commit....
This is my favorite earworm... Piss me off and I'll sing it and get it stuck in your head... lol
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The state doesn't need to provide or prove motive but if it can be provided then it damn sure better be there or some people just won't commit....
This is my favorite earworm... Piss me off and I'll sing it and get it stuck in your head... lol
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Lovin' you is easy cause you're beautiful
Makin' love with you is all i wanna do
Lovin' you is more than just a dream come true
And everything that i do is out of lovin' you
La la la la la la la... do do do do do
No one else can make me feel
The colors that you bring
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And we will live each day in springtime
Cause lovin' you has made my life so beautiful
And every day my life is filled with lovin' you
Lovin' you i see your soul come shinin' through
And every time that we oooooh
I'm more in love with you
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by justanopinion Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:12 am
Can someone explain to me why PTSD is so important... In my thinking of course she has PTSD season Police Veterans get debriefed after a shooting, Jodi did not... PTSD did not cause her to slay TA. PTSD came afterward... IMO this was the lazy diagnosis from the baboon... but I really don't see how this is going to save JA's skin...
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by olivier57 Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:19 am
justanopinion wrote:Can someone explain to me why PTSD is so important... In my thinking of course she has PTSD season Police Veterans get debriefed after a shooting, Jodi did not... PTSD did not cause her to slay TA. PTSD came afterward... IMO this was the lazy diagnosis from the baboon... but I really don't see how this is going to save JA's skin...
In my opinion, PTSD is part of the defense strategy which is based on self defence. In other words, "JA didn't want to kill Travis, JA had to kill him because he attacked her, JA suffers from that, it created a traumatism". PTSD doesn't go well with premeditation.
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by carlakay Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:24 am
Bmore wrote:I'm with you Carla but humans want to understand, the one lady on HLN said that's why were so into this case and Caylee's... Because it doesn't make sense to us and our minds make us try and figure it out so we keep watching, getting new info hoping it'll help ease our minds on how someone could do this... Problem is JA isn't the norm so us normal people will never understand why/how... It's like that earworm song that plays in your head and won't go away...
The state doesn't need to provide or prove motive but if it can be provided then it damn sure better be there or some people just won't commit....
This is my favorite earworm... Piss me off and I'll sing it and get it stuck in your head... lol
Lovin' You - Minnie Riperton
Lovin' you is easy cause you're beautiful
Makin' love with you is all i wanna do
Lovin' you is more than just a dream come true
And everything that i do is out of lovin' you
La la la la la la la... do do do do do
No one else can make me feel
The colors that you bring
Stay with me while we grow old
And we will live each day in springtime
Cause lovin' you has made my life so beautiful
And every day my life is filled with lovin' you
Lovin' you i see your soul come shinin' through
And every time that we oooooh
I'm more in love with you
La la la la la la la... do do do do do
yes I know..trying to make sense of a sociopaths actions can cause a sane person to come out the other side not so sane anymore tho..it's what I am attemtpting to explain to everyone..we CAN NOT rationalize any of her actions...it is an impossibility. Our best bet at getting anywhere close to the truth of what really happened is not to completely disregard everything that she says but to remember that if she is adamant about something there is a damn good reason for it. She was adamant the shot came first..there is a reason for that. She was adamant there was not 3 gas cans..there is a reason for that..she was adamant about her hair color changes..there is a reason for that..she was adamant there was a rope involved..there is a reason for that..she was adamant Ryan Burns never got anywhere close to her vag..there is a reason for that and she has been adamant that her flipping finger received several dif assaults from sev different scenerios but not once has she admitted it was cut during her knife assault of Travis..there is a reason for that.
It does worry me and actually kind of disturbs me that some on here actually believe the gun shot wound came first..if they do then it is possible some on the jury do and if they can believe this part of her tale then that means they have disregarded pertinent evidence and may be focusing more on impertinent info such as pedophilia or domestic abuse.
have never heard that song or the term earworm..love it btw
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by Bmore Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:29 am
I also thought that part of the criteria for the DP was the victim had to of basically been tortured, knowing they were going to die... All she is saying is I shot him, he grabbed for me and then the fog... she can't say that after the grabbing he passed out, charged her or anything that lead to her stabbing and cutting his throat...
But if he was stabbed in the chest, then he fought, stabbed in the back... all this time he knew he was going to die if she didn't stop... And when she went to his throat I think he knew that was coming to...
I thought I read that the order is important based on the DP...
But if he was stabbed in the chest, then he fought, stabbed in the back... all this time he knew he was going to die if she didn't stop... And when she went to his throat I think he knew that was coming to...
I thought I read that the order is important based on the DP...
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by carlakay Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:29 am
justanopinion wrote:Can someone explain to me why PTSD is so important... In my thinking of course she has PTSD season Police Veterans get debriefed after a shooting, Jodi did not... PTSD did not cause her to slay TA. PTSD came afterward... IMO this was the lazy diagnosis from the baboon... but I really don't see how this is going to save JA's skin...
I don't believe they presented this as reasoning for how she could of killed him like that..if that was their intent they blew it bigtime IMO anyhow. I think the whole point of Samuels was to explain her behaviour after the fact because I think they knew no one was going to buy she just fogged up and forgot almost all of the killing and subsequent coverup. I think their next expert will be there to explain how prior abuse could cause her to snap and go apeshit on his ass the way she did but again it is my opinion she would of been better served had this testimony came before Samuels..
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by Bmore Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:32 am
I took the PTSD defense as she suffered the acute whatever when she shot him which caused the fog and then the acute whatever turned into the PTSD that she suffers from now... the acute thing excuses everything after the shot and the PTSD excuses all her odd behavior even on the stand...
Or what us normal people think that it's all BS and she did it because she wanted too and now is trying to cover her ass...
Or what us normal people think that it's all BS and she did it because she wanted too and now is trying to cover her ass...
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by 18thcenturylady Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:32 am
carlakay wrote:Bmore wrote:I'm with you Carla but humans want to understand, the one lady on HLN said that's why were so into this case and Caylee's... Because it doesn't make sense to us and our minds make us try and figure it out so we keep watching, getting new info hoping it'll help ease our minds on how someone could do this... Problem is JA isn't the norm so us normal people will never understand why/how... It's like that earworm song that plays in your head and won't go away...
The state doesn't need to provide or prove motive but if it can be provided then it damn sure better be there or some people just won't commit....
This is my favorite earworm... Piss me off and I'll sing it and get it stuck in your head... lol
Lovin' You - Minnie Riperton
Lovin' you is easy cause you're beautiful
Makin' love with you is all i wanna do
Lovin' you is more than just a dream come true
And everything that i do is out of lovin' you
La la la la la la la... do do do do do
No one else can make me feel
The colors that you bring
Stay with me while we grow old
And we will live each day in springtime
Cause lovin' you has made my life so beautiful
And every day my life is filled with lovin' you
Lovin' you i see your soul come shinin' through
And every time that we oooooh
I'm more in love with you
La la la la la la la... do do do do do
yes I know..trying to make sense of a sociopaths actions can cause a sane person to come out the other side not so sane anymore tho..it's what I am attemtpting to explain to everyone..we CAN NOT rationalize any of her actions...it is an impossibility. Our best bet at getting anywhere close to the truth of what really happened is not to completely disregard everything that she says but to remember that if she is adamant about something there is a damn good reason for it. She was adamant the shot came first..there is a reason for that. She was adamant there was not 3 gas cans..there is a reason for that..she was adamant about her hair color changes..there is a reason for that..she was adamant there was a rope involved..there is a reason for that..she was adamant Ryan Burns never got anywhere close to her vag..there is a reason for that and she has been adamant that her flipping finger received several dif assaults from sev different scenerios but not once has she admitted it was cut during her knife assault of Travis..there is a reason for that.
It does worry me and actually kind of disturbs me that some on here actually believe the gun shot wound came first..if they do then it is possible some on the jury do and if they can believe this part of her tale then that means they have disregarded pertinent evidence and may be focusing more on impertinent info such as pedophilia or domestic abuse.
have never heard that song or the term earworm..love it btw
Carlakay,
About what you said about it bothering you that some here actually think the gun shot was first...I agree with you. It has bothered me too that clear cut evidence could be so completely disregarded by some, and someone or few on the jury could do the same! That's why I wrote my post above.
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by olivier57 Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:36 am
carlakay wrote:
Also for 18th and others who really want more brought in about the stalking and prior crazy behavior..while in our minds and I am sure his loved ones it is extremely important that all these ugly accusations she has made toward his character be cleared up it is NOT imperitave to this case. I am sorry that is just how these things go..Juan dont need to make it clear Jodi is a liar..Juan dont need to make it clear she was obsessively jealous..Juan dont need to prove which wound came first and he dont need to make it clear Travis wasnt a pervert..ALL he has to do is prove Jodi Arias premeditated and carried out the murder of Travis Alexander and that Travis suffered. I think he has.
hope my snip does not distort ;-) I understand that JM has not to prove JA's jealousy, TA not being a pervert. I'm a bit more doubtful that he has not to prove once again she is a liar (which is anyway quite obvious) because it helps to throw away her explanations that unfortunately Dr Samuel guaranteed. What I don't understand his why he would not have to explain the sequence of events second after second, to put a real theory facing JA's one. Perhaps he will bring all that in the final rebuttal ?
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by carlakay Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:41 am
Bmore wrote:I also thought that part of the criteria for the DP was the victim had to of basically been tortured, knowing they were going to die... All she is saying is I shot him, he grabbed for me and then the fog... she can't say that after the grabbing he passed out, charged her or anything that lead to her stabbing and cutting his throat...
But if he was stabbed in the chest, then he fought, stabbed in the back... all this time he knew he was going to die if she didn't stop... And when she went to his throat I think he knew that was coming to...
I thought I read that the order is important based on the DP...
you are correct but in all honesty do you really believe a person can take a bullet to the head..have it rip down thru the back of their face and not know they have been shot? Even if the shot came first,as she claims,does that mean he didn't suffer? Does it mean he wouldn't of felt his thumb damn near getting severed? Wouldnt of felt all those other stab wounds?
NOTHING she testified to happening after the shot is proof he didn't collapse on top of her and grab at her in an effort to be helped. She is admitting to the fact she severely butchered a man she had just shot in the head and expects everyone to believe he didn't feel a thing and was still trying to kill her for dropping a camera. All I know is I do believe I could of told a better tale.
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by Bmore Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:43 am
I think in the rebutt JM will go over alot, he had to wait for JA to tell her version before he could blow it out of the water... the rebutt is to disprove even more what the dteam has presented so far... But because there witnesses were so lousy he was able to do alot of that on cross... So I imagine rebutt would be to lay it out with evidence what actually happened then on closing put it all together in a story with flow...
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by Bmore Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:46 am
i think he was shot last but I can't figure out where/how in order to get that angle... eyebrow to cheek bone back to front... How?
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by carlakay Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:47 am
olivier57 wrote:carlakay wrote:
Also for 18th and others who really want more brought in about the stalking and prior crazy behavior..while in our minds and I am sure his loved ones it is extremely important that all these ugly accusations she has made toward his character be cleared up it is NOT imperitave to this case. I am sorry that is just how these things go..Juan dont need to make it clear Jodi is a liar..Juan dont need to make it clear she was obsessively jealous..Juan dont need to prove which wound came first and he dont need to make it clear Travis wasnt a pervert..ALL he has to do is prove Jodi Arias premeditated and carried out the murder of Travis Alexander and that Travis suffered. I think he has.
hope my snip does not distort ;-) I understand that JM has not to prove JA's jealousy, TA not being a pervert. I'm a bit more doubtful that he has not to prove once again she is a liar (which is anyway quite obvious) because it helps to throw away her explanations that unfortunately Dr Samuel guaranteed. What I don't understand his why he would not have to explain the sequence of events second after second, to put a real theory facing JA's one. Perhaps he will bring all that in the final rebuttal ?
well he has done that somewhat thru the testimony of those who worked the crime scene and the ME..to the best of their ability at least and you can bet that will be what he focuses on during his closing argument. The problem is no matter how much physical evidence that was left behind,nobody will ever know 100% exactly what happened and when except for Jodi.Those pictures are definitive proof tho that can not be denied
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by justanopinion Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:47 am
Please correct me if I am wrong then...
Premeditation does not necessarily mean weeks of planning (although I do believe JA planned for a least a week) but can be minutes...
Soldiers get PTSD and they are planning on killing... so I do not see how PTSD is contraindicative to premeditation. The Trauma she suffered in murdering TA I believe was more than she thought it would be...
example: even people who want a divorce will grieve the relationship... BTW Divorce is considered a trauma when diagnosing stress/mental health.
example 2: as a hunter the first time I shot an animal was difficult as I realized I took a life ... it gets easier... but to kill a human being couldn't do it...
So still to me... PTSD was brought about by her actions so who cares!! JMO
She wants to claim abuse caused her to act this way... not buying that either... She did not live near him.. she was not trapped in the situation where the only way out for her was to murder TA (some women do feel like they are trapped) Hodi was not one of those women.. OMFG and the self esteem issue poor Hodi has such low self esteem that she got a boob job and then posed as a dime-store hooker on anything she could lean on. Jodi could have walked away but chose to re-insert herself into TA's life and then "if I can't have... then no one will" JMOO
Premeditation does not necessarily mean weeks of planning (although I do believe JA planned for a least a week) but can be minutes...
Soldiers get PTSD and they are planning on killing... so I do not see how PTSD is contraindicative to premeditation. The Trauma she suffered in murdering TA I believe was more than she thought it would be...
example: even people who want a divorce will grieve the relationship... BTW Divorce is considered a trauma when diagnosing stress/mental health.
example 2: as a hunter the first time I shot an animal was difficult as I realized I took a life ... it gets easier... but to kill a human being couldn't do it...
So still to me... PTSD was brought about by her actions so who cares!! JMO
She wants to claim abuse caused her to act this way... not buying that either... She did not live near him.. she was not trapped in the situation where the only way out for her was to murder TA (some women do feel like they are trapped) Hodi was not one of those women.. OMFG and the self esteem issue poor Hodi has such low self esteem that she got a boob job and then posed as a dime-store hooker on anything she could lean on. Jodi could have walked away but chose to re-insert herself into TA's life and then "if I can't have... then no one will" JMOO
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by justanopinion Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:49 am
Bmore wrote:i think he was shot last but I can't figure out where/how in order to get that angle... eyebrow to cheek bone back to front... How?
Freckles the only explanation for that angle is that JA was off to one side and slightly behind standing over him... perhaps either right before or right after she slit his throat... JMOO
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by Bmore Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:53 am
They need to put on some type of defense, she's making them because she doesn't want to die in jail... I think what Dr. S is saying could make sense in the correct situation but this isn't it, he's tailoring it to fit for a paycheck. this guy is either that stupid or JA is that good.. It's sad because in his profession he's suppose to help people and what he's doing it setting the people that actually suffer from these types of things back. There are to many other things that point to she's making this up to say her ass... If she can deny the most brutal part of the crime then maybe she'll be excused from it and not held accountable... But say that she does have a fog for S&Gs, what was raging in her body and mind to produce that much overkill? Sorry not buying it...
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by tesstruhart Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:53 am
Just catchin' up. My 2 cents is the PTSD, battered woman defense is thrown out there to mitigate the DP. If only one juror buys these diversionary tactics, they have done their job. By the type and amount of questions that this jury has asked, I would say they are really paying attention to what is going on. I have to have faith that they can see thru this ploy just like we do. Although they are not privvy to all the info we have, there are enough lies, and contradictions for them to get the picture. Juan picks apart all the testimony like peeling back an onion. He exposes the lies then the defense moves on to another tactic. This jury has a dog in this hunt now. They are not the village idiots.
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by carlakay Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:55 am
Bmore wrote:i think he was shot last but I can't figure out where/how in order to get that angle... eyebrow to cheek bone back to front... How?
well I aint sure either and yes it is driving me nuts too. what would REALLY help is to have an actual graph of that bathroom where the bullet casing was found marked but I cant ever find a graph that I can copy n paste nor one that has the casing spot marked. We know the casing ejects out the right side of the gun,right? and I am sure we could find the info about how far it should go..think it would be easy to determine where his body was then.
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by ShellJett Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:59 am
justanopinion wrote:Please correct me if I am wrong then...
Premeditation does not necessarily mean weeks of planning (although I do believe JA planned for a least a week) but can be minutes...
Soldiers get PTSD and they are planning on killing... so I do not see how PTSD is contraindicative to premeditation. The Trauma she suffered in murdering TA I believe was more than she thought it would be...
example: even people who want a divorce will grieve the relationship... BTW Divorce is considered a trauma when diagnosing stress/mental health.
example 2: as a hunter the first time I shot an animal was difficult as I realized I took a life ... it gets easier... but to kill a human being couldn't do it...
So still to me... PTSD was brought about by her actions so who cares!! JMO
She wants to claim abuse caused her to act this way... not buying that either... She did not live near him.. she was not trapped in the situation where the only way out for her was to murder TA (some women do feel like they are trapped) Hodi was not one of those women.. OMFG and the self esteem issue poor Hodi has such low self esteem that she got a boob job and then posed as a dime-store hooker on anything she could lean on. Jodi could have walked away but chose to re-insert herself into TA's life and then "if I can't have... then no one will" JMOO
Absolutely agree, premeditation can be formed in an instant. Usually jury instructions will clarify or lawyer will in closing argument. So, if juror/jurors don't believe gun, gas cans, etc. they can still find this a premeditated murder. Also, she may have had low self-esteem but came off as very confident in her pre-trial interviews (48 hours). Juan will rip apart next expert who will claim JA was a "battered woman".
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by olivier57 Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:00 am
Bmore wrote:They need to put on some type of defense, she's making them because she doesn't want to die in jail... I think what Dr. S is saying could make sense in the correct situation but this isn't it, he's tailoring it to fit for a paycheck. this guy is either that stupid or JA is that good.. It's sad because in his profession he's suppose to help people and what he's doing it setting the people that actually suffer from these types of things back. There are to many other things that point to she's making this up to say her ass... If she can deny the most brutal part of the crime then maybe she'll be excused from it and not held accountable... But say that she does have a fog for S&Gs, what was raging in her body and mind to produce that much overkill? Sorry not buying it...
I completely agree. Attorneys and Psychologists do a wonderful work when their skills are used to help people that truely require it, but it's so sad when those competences are most useful to liars and murderers to help them escaping punishment.
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by Bmore Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:04 am
JAO but it would have to be in the bathroom, the casing ejected out to the right of the gun so...
I would think he'd have to be sitting/propped up or at least his head would have to be vertical (chin to chest)...
If she drug him down the hall by his feet because that was closest to the bathroom... they're not sure how far away it was but far enough not to stiple and with a small caliber it could be closer to the object....
What if she drug him into the bathroom by his feet over towards the shower... feet at the shower, head near hallway... maybe he twitched or something and she squated, grabbed him by the hair, lifted his head up-right and shot him? the casing would eject towards the sink where it was found and the trajectory would be pretty close... You'd just be taking a chance on shooting yourself in the hand because apparently those guns aren't very accurate...
this is the part that's bugging me! I think it was last but getting the trajectory correct! Even if he was sitting in the shower I think the wall and shower door would have been in the way, he would have had to have his head some what away from the wall to get that angle..
I would think he'd have to be sitting/propped up or at least his head would have to be vertical (chin to chest)...
If she drug him down the hall by his feet because that was closest to the bathroom... they're not sure how far away it was but far enough not to stiple and with a small caliber it could be closer to the object....
What if she drug him into the bathroom by his feet over towards the shower... feet at the shower, head near hallway... maybe he twitched or something and she squated, grabbed him by the hair, lifted his head up-right and shot him? the casing would eject towards the sink where it was found and the trajectory would be pretty close... You'd just be taking a chance on shooting yourself in the hand because apparently those guns aren't very accurate...
this is the part that's bugging me! I think it was last but getting the trajectory correct! Even if he was sitting in the shower I think the wall and shower door would have been in the way, he would have had to have his head some what away from the wall to get that angle..
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Re: Jodi Arias -- Trial for the murder of Travis Alexander #8
by Bmore Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:06 am
the casing was in a puddle of blood near the sink and linen closet door...
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