George Zimmerman / Trayvon Martin Case #3

Both George and Shellie may very well have to go to their family for money soon....

Gizmo711 wrote:Both George and Shellie may very well have to go to their family for money soon....

Hmmm...interesting topic. Wonder how she'll pay for her lawyer, will they take money from George's trust account or will the CPA say 'no way, Jose!'. Maybe she still had enough stashed in a safe deposit box or maybe the lawyer will accept a 'gift card'.

That is an interesting question about Shellies atty. I'm thinking as you do Serenaz....the CPA says no way. This is George's money. Get your own
Do I see a Free Shellie Zimmerman website in the future?

Chanel 13 live is reporting that the Sanford Police Chief was just terminated. Funny thing I goggled and went to their web site but nothing is up yet. Might have just happened

the sad thing is, supporters will absolutely get these two whatever they need to play the system. There was a Ken posting at a conservative site as a friend of GZ encouraging donations. He could easily be Pming everybody the untraceable
PO Box number so they can roll in gift cards for a long long time. Remember these guys hate paying taxes or lawyers. IMHO they will find a way, and it won't be so easy to catch them next time.

serenaz1 wrote:

Gizmo711 wrote:Both George and Shellie may very well have to go to their family for money soon....

Hmmm...interesting topic. Wonder how she'll pay for her lawyer, will they take money from George's trust account or will the CPA say 'no way, Jose!'. Maybe she still had enough stashed in a safe deposit box or maybe the lawyer will accept a 'gift card'. :lol:

Gizmo711 wrote:Both George and Shellie may very well have to go to their family for money soon....

Who all in the family was aware that George was raking in all that money? Did George tell his parents? Did Shellie tell them?

Wee, I can see "interested donors" donating to GZ due to their interest in the SYG and/or gun laws. But to what benefit would it be to help Shellie out?

Ah here it is

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/20/sanford_police_chief.html

"city manager Napoleon Bonaparte" ?
Who names their kid that?

CB, unless all the GZ supporters are a bunch of hypocrites there should be. After all, she was standing by their/her man and moving his agenda forward. They should all be lined up, with checkbook in hand. She's is a damsel in distress ya know!

Nothing warms my heart more than knowing that the GZ supporters are throwing good money after bad, since they are too darn ignorant to realize there are are more worthy causes out there to invest in. Let them add Shellie to their list.

Chickenbutt wrote:That is an interesting question about Shellies atty. I'm thinking as you do Serenaz....the CPA says no way. This is George's money. Get your own
Do I see a Free Shellie Zimmerman website in the future?

Well, while the thread is quiet, I am going to comment on GZ's jailhouse "hoodie" statement. On the recording, Shellie tells GZ that he could always "lay down or something" and GZ says, "yeah, exactly. Well, I have my hoodie." And then you hear a sort of exhaled laugh on GZ's end. I cannot even begin to express how absolutely disgusting GZ is to me. But none of us should be surprised. GZ has demonstrated what kind of character he has. He is a lying arrogant jerk, and that comment portrays him as the unrepentant killer of an unarmed youth who he imagined was dishonest. I suppose later in the week we will hear from MOM that GZ did not mean anything disparaging by his reference to a "hoodie" and all of the pro-defense will come to his defense by donating more money.

Porky wrote:Ah here it is

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/6/20/sanford_police_chief.html

Ok, I thought lee tried to resign a couple months ago and they would not let him. I also did not know that he interfere with the detective wanting to charge George. I though that it was the DA that did that didn't want to charge George. I wonder if the investigation of how this was handle is coming to a close.

Darn you Requiem...now I have Tammy Wynette's Stand By Your Man running thru my head.

I wonder when the donors will come to realize that they are backing a losing proposition. Wish I had that kinda money to throw around.

CherokeeNative wrote:Well, while the thread is quiet, I am going to comment on GZ's jailhouse "hoodie" statement. On the recording, Shellie tells GZ that he could always "lay down or something" and GZ says, "yeah, exactly. Well, I have my hoodie." And then you hear a sort of exhaled laugh on GZ's end. I cannot even begin to express how absolutely disgusting GZ is to me. But none of us should be surprised. GZ has demonstrated what kind of character he has. He is a lying arrogant jerk, and that comment portrays him as the unrepentant killer of an unarmed youth who he imagined was dishonest. I suppose later in the week we will hear from MOM that GZ did not mean anything disparaging by his reference to a "hoodie" and all of the pro-defense will come to his defense by donating more money.

I am sure that if it is being talked about on the blogs that he will come out about the hoodie comment, after all we know this is the kind of thing that was monitored in the Casey Anthony case.

Chickenbutt wrote:Darn you Requiem...now I have Tammy Wynette's Stand By Your Man running thru my head.

I wonder when the donors will come to realize tht they are backing a losing proposition. Wish I had that kinda money to throw around.

I think that it will only take one pissed off donor to allege fraud and sue Zimmerman and that fund. Now that would be way neat.

Porky, I have actually wondered if any of the donors have had a change of heart since GZ has been portrayed (proven) to be a big ole liarhead. It would not surprise me if someone did sue, but then they would be outed to the public as the fool that believed in GZ in the first place.

Snowbird, the story is that the DA came quickly to Sanford & met with Chief Lee. There was even the accusation, by Trayvon's parents' attorney, that Zimmerman's father showed up at headquarters, also.

Thanks, I know about DA and possibly George father, but didn't know about police chief.

Very few people are pissed about GZ and the money games. At worst they think he was dumb. They mostly think GZ had every right to hide the money for the future. Heavy duty govt hating "Libetarians". There's so many of them have convinced themselves that GZ was "protecting himself" or saving the world from a "future violent felon" . They are raising A lot of the money, and Shellys arrest pissed them off. Many say he should flee. That Treehouse place where the Ken person posted leaves up the most vile racist posts. I saw one person complain it makes them look bad, and about ten jumped on him to tell him to get over it. Very hostile, scary place.
If this is the same Ken, then these are the supporters he's telling Shelly about.

Chickenbutt wrote:Porky, I have actually wondered if any of the donors have had a change of heart since GZ has been portrayed (proven) to be a big ole liarhead. It would not surprise me if someone did sue, but then they would be outed to the public as the fool that believed in GZ in the first place.

Interesting Wee, I had no idea. I don't browse around other sites.

I couldn't agree more. It made me wonder about the 'depraved" state of mind and what they have on that. I hope they release all the calls, including witness 9.
If they are going to attack Trayvons charachter, and MOM has said as much, then let is get a full picture of who GZ is -that it's so easy for him to joke about a person he killed.

CherokeeNative wrote:Well, while the thread is quiet, I am going to comment on GZ's jailhouse "hoodie" statement. On the recording, Shellie tells GZ that he could always "lay down or something" and GZ says, "yeah, exactly. Well, I have my hoodie." And then you hear a sort of exhaled laugh on GZ's end. I cannot even begin to express how absolutely disgusting GZ is to me. But none of us should be surprised. GZ has demonstrated what kind of character he has. He is a lying arrogant jerk, and that comment portrays him as the unrepentant killer of an unarmed youth who he imagined was dishonest. I suppose later in the week we will hear from MOM that GZ did not mean anything disparaging by his reference to a "hoodie" and all of the pro-defense will come to his defense by donating more money. :barf:

I couldn't agree more. It made me wonder about the 'depraved" state of mind and what they have on that. I hope they release all the calls, including witness 9.
If they are going to attack Trayvons charachter, and MOM has said as much, then let is get a full picture of who GZ is -that it's so easy for him to joke about a person he killed.

CherokeeNative wrote:Well, while the thread is quiet, I am going to comment on GZ's jailhouse "hoodie" statement. On the recording, Shellie tells GZ that he could always "lay down or something" and GZ says, "yeah, exactly. Well, I have my hoodie." And then you hear a sort of exhaled laugh on GZ's end. I cannot even begin to express how absolutely disgusting GZ is to me. But none of us should be surprised. GZ has demonstrated what kind of character he has. He is a lying arrogant jerk, and that comment portrays him as the unrepentant killer of an unarmed youth who he imagined was dishonest. I suppose later in the week we will hear from MOM that GZ did not mean anything disparaging by his reference to a "hoodie" and all of the pro-defense will come to his defense by donating more money. :barf:

I only went because I Googled Ken.
It makes me so sad to see so many angry racist people who hate America.
I wish they would raise money to go buy themselves an island somewhere and leave us all in peace!

Chickenbutt wrote:Interesting Wee, I had no idea. I don't browse around other sites.

But then we would only have each other to talk about...

Chickenbutt wrote:But then we would only have each other to talk about...

We could set up a webcam there! Watch from a safe distance.

Me no

Recently read a comment where someone felt that the media was really desperate for something to report when
it dug up the "hoodie" comment by Zman.

I noted the media ref to the comment as a "joke".
Pretty poor joke IMO.

Police chief fired in wake of Trayvon Martin shooting
Published June 20, 2012
snipped:
Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee has been fired in the wake of the Trayvon Martin shooting, sources inside the Florida city’s government tell MyFoxOrlando.com.
Lee was previously serving as police chief but was placed on administrative leave after Sanford officials rejected a resignation letter he submitted in April.
Sanford city manager Norton Bonaparte issued a statement Wednesday night saying the decision to ax Bill Lee, who has been on administrative leave, was taken in a bid to resolve a divided community.
"After much thoughtful discussion and deep consideration for the issues facing the City of Sanford, I have determined the Police Chief needs to have the trust and respect of the elected officials and the confidence of the entire community," Bonaparte said.
"We need to move forward with a police chief that all the citizens of Sanford can support. I have come to this decision in light of the escalating divisiveness that has taken hold of the city."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/20/police-chief-reportedly-fired-in-wake-trayvon-martin-shooting/#ixzz1yOWpvMRp

Chickenbutt wrote:"city manager Napoleon Bonaparte" ?
Who names their kid that?

--that would be Norton Bonaparte

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57457503/sanford-fla-police-chief-bill-lee-fired/
Sanford, Fla., Police Chief Bill Lee fired

"After much thoughtful discussion and deep consideration for the issues facing the City of Sanford, I have determined the Police Chief needs to have the trust and respect of the elected officials and the confidence of the entire community. We need to move forward with a police chief that all the citizens of Sanford can support. I have come to this decision in light of the escalating divisiveness that has taken hold of the city", said Sanford City Manager Norton Bonaparte in a statement.

Ellejay, I swear to you that the original article said Napoleon.....I even read it outloud to hubby and we laughed ours off. I am not crazy, I am not crazy, I am not crazy

Porky wrote:
Ah here it is

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn

I've figured it out....Porky posted it at 7:32 and I read it immediately. The story was updated at 10:04. So I am thinking they corrected it then. I am not crazy, I am not crazy, I am not crazy

Chickenbutt wrote:Porky wrote:
Ah here it is

http://www.baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn

I've figured it out....Porky posted it at 7:32 and I read it immediately. The story was updated at 10:04. So I am thinking they corrected it then. I am not crazy, I am not crazy, I am not crazy

Sure you are :) I am going to try and make the bond hearing next week. I will call over and see if it is open to the public.

Gee thanks Porky....I am working hard here trying to convince people I am not crazy and you come long and tell my secret is three little words.

ETA: Am I the only one who saw it? Porky, please say you did.

Chickenbutt wrote:Gee thanks Porky....I am working hard here trying to convince people I am not crazy and you come long and tell my secret is three little words.

ETA: Am I the only one who saw it? Porky, please say you did.

Yeah I saw it but you are still crazy

angiefly2 wrote:Police chief fired in wake of Trayvon Martin shooting
Published June 20, 2012
snipped:
Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee has been fired in the wake of the Trayvon Martin shooting, sources inside the Florida city’s government tell MyFoxOrlando.com.
Lee was previously serving as police chief but was placed on administrative leave after Sanford officials rejected a resignation letter he submitted in April.
Sanford city manager Norton Bonaparte issued a statement Wednesday night saying the decision to ax Bill Lee, who has been on administrative leave, was taken in a bid to resolve a divided community.
"After much thoughtful discussion and deep consideration for the issues facing the City of Sanford, I have determined the Police Chief needs to have the trust and respect of the elected officials and the confidence of the entire community," Bonaparte said.
"We need to move forward with a police chief that all the citizens of Sanford can support. I have come to this decision in light of the escalating divisiveness that has taken hold of the city."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/20/police-chief-reportedly-fired-in-wake-trayvon-martin-shooting/#ixzz1yOWpvMRp

Thank you...I thought I remembered reading some time back that the Chief had offered his resignation.

So, why fire him? Why not accept is resignation?

Puzzler wrote:

angiefly2 wrote:Police chief fired in wake of Trayvon Martin shooting
Published June 20, 2012
snipped:
Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee has been fired in the wake of the Trayvon Martin shooting, sources inside the Florida city’s government tell MyFoxOrlando.com.
Lee was previously serving as police chief but was placed on administrative leave after Sanford officials rejected a resignation letter he submitted in April.
Sanford city manager Norton Bonaparte issued a statement Wednesday night saying the decision to ax Bill Lee, who has been on administrative leave, was taken in a bid to resolve a divided community.
"After much thoughtful discussion and deep consideration for the issues facing the City of Sanford, I have determined the Police Chief needs to have the trust and respect of the elected officials and the confidence of the entire community," Bonaparte said.
"We need to move forward with a police chief that all the citizens of Sanford can support. I have come to this decision in light of the escalating divisiveness that has taken hold of the city."


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/20/police-chief-reportedly-fired-in-wake-trayvon-martin-shooting/#ixzz1yOWpvMRp

Thank you...I thought I remembered reading some time back that the Chief had offered his resignation.

So, why fire him? Why not accept is resignation?

That is what I remember too, after George was arrested he tried to resign and they would not except his resignation. So now they fired him it doesn't make since unless some of the investigation in to how the police handle the shooting has come to light.

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-04-23/news/31388505_1_norton-bonaparte-chief-bill-lee-city-leaders

Sanford city leaders reject resignation
of police chief in Trayvon Martin case

This is the article when he tried to resign.

Perhaps there's pressure from higher ups and they just fired the Chief. I bet he's surprised to get "fired"...after...he'd offered his resignation.

It just doesn't seem the right way to handle it IMO.

Puzzler,
I'm thinking about this situation.
Had the man simply resigned, then he could have gone on to another position else where and there wouldn't have been anything the city fathers could have said about him other than he resigned. By the powers that be insisting that he not resign, but go on an admin leave until the issues could be investigated, then they covered their own behinds, plus any new employer looking to hire this man could have an opportunity to also take a look at the discovery of the city's investigation.
I hope I am getting my idea through. I am so poor at explaining what I am thinking. I knew of a situation once where a county employee was so in the wrong. She was GIVEN the option of resignation or termination. Of course she chose resignation. A dear friend of mine was her boss, and he was frustrated that she quit because it meant that she could go anywhere and get another job without her nasty habits being exposed. (She was a social worker) Anyway, she did apply for a job and when the employer called my friend to ask about her work ethic he said that she always came in on time, always did her job, Wen the employer asked if she had ever exhibited prejudice. My friend said.. "I would say she is prejudice, She hates everyone equally"

Anyway, As I see it, the city did the right thing. They gave him a fair opportunity by investigating the situation before relieving him of his duties. By not accepting his resignation, the city did in fact protect others as well as it's community.

Chickenbutt wrote:Interesting Wee, I had no idea. I don't browse around other sites.

Neither do I , but it doesn't surprise me.

As for Lee getting fired, it may have something to do with his pension, maybe if he is fired he wont get full pension than if he resigns. I'm just guessing.

WeeBonnie wrote:I only went because I Googled Ken.
It makes me so sad to see so many angry racist people who hate America.
I wish they would raise money to go buy themselves an island somewhere and leave us all in peace!

Chickenbutt wrote:Interesting Wee, I had no idea. I don't browse around other sites.

I fully agree, they should all be on an island by themselves.

But I always found in my walks of life that rich people are usually the least prejudice, it seems that the deprived are the most prejudice, they need someone to look down to. Maybe the 5's and 10's are coming in from this type but I honestly believe that the large amounts are coming in from groups that feel this way. If that be the case, the donations will eventually stop. Just my honest opinion....

Marica wrote:Puzzler,
I'm thinking about this situation.
Had the man simply resigned, then he could have gone on to another position else where and there wouldn't have been anything the city fathers could have said about him other than he resigned. By the powers that be insisting that he not resign, but go on an admin leave until the issues could be investigated, then they covered their own behinds, plus any new employer looking to hire this man could have an opportunity to also take a look at the discovery of the city's investigation.
I hope I am getting my idea through. I am so poor at explaining what I am thinking. I knew of a situation once where a county employee was so in the wrong. She was GIVEN the option of resignation or termination. Of course she chose resignation. A dear friend of mine was her boss, and he was frustrated that she quit because it meant that she could go anywhere and get another job without her nasty habits being exposed. (She was a social worker) Anyway, she did apply for a job and when the employer called my friend to ask about her work ethic he said that she always came in on time, always did her job, Wen the employer asked if she had ever exhibited prejudice. My friend said.. "I would say she is prejudice, She hates everyone equally"

Anyway, As I see it, the city did the right thing. They gave him a fair opportunity by investigating the situation before relieving him of his duties. By not accepting his resignation, the city did in fact protect others as well as it's community.

I understand just what you are saying. It could very well be the reason....Maybe it will come out on the media from some expert on the issue.

CherokeeNative wrote:Well, while the thread is quiet, I am going to comment on GZ's jailhouse "hoodie" statement. On the recording, Shellie tells GZ that he could always "lay down or something" and GZ says, "yeah, exactly. Well, I have my hoodie." And then you hear a sort of exhaled laugh on GZ's end. I cannot even begin to express how absolutely disgusting GZ is to me. But none of us should be surprised. GZ has demonstrated what kind of character he has. He is a lying arrogant jerk, and that comment portrays him as the unrepentant killer of an unarmed youth who he imagined was dishonest. I suppose later in the week we will hear from MOM that GZ did not mean anything disparaging by his reference to a "hoodie" and all of the pro-defense will come to his defense by donating more money.

It was certainly in bad taste which ever way one looks at it. Years ago there was a murder in Central park, the young man strangled a young woman to death, while he was out on bond someone took a video of him pretending to strangle a doll, this was brought up at court and although he said that it was in bad taste, it didn't go over with the juror's, they convicted him.

Oh yeah, the Preppie murderer. My old assistant had waitered a bit with the victim, Jennifer Levin.
Chambers got cold feet during deliberations and took a plea. Served for manslaughter, got out a few years, got busted for dealing cocaine. Greedy and hot headed. Something he shares with GZ and CA.

Gizmo711 wrote:

CherokeeNative wrote:Well, while the thread is quiet, I am going to comment on GZ's jailhouse "hoodie" statement. On the recording, Shellie tells GZ that he could always "lay down or something" and GZ says, "yeah, exactly. Well, I have my hoodie." And then you hear a sort of exhaled laugh on GZ's end. I cannot even begin to express how absolutely disgusting GZ is to me. But none of us should be surprised. GZ has demonstrated what kind of character he has. He is a lying arrogant jerk, and that comment portrays him as the unrepentant killer of an unarmed youth who he imagined was dishonest. I suppose later in the week we will hear from MOM that GZ did not mean anything disparaging by his reference to a "hoodie" and all of the pro-defense will come to his defense by donating more money.

It was certainly in bad taste which ever way one looks at it. Years ago there was a murder in Central park, the young man strangled a young woman to death, while he was out on bond someone took a video of him pretending to strangle a doll, this was brought up at court and although he said that it was in bad taste, it didn't go over with the juror's, they convicted him.

breaking: new evidence released via Zims website:


http://m.wdbo.com/news/news/local/breaking-new-evidence-released-trayvon-martin-case/nPbfp/

I doubt Zman has any idea what taste is. As far as he would know the meaning of the word would be, "Oh chocolate.... yummy.. Liver Yuck" and it would seem his wife isn't any brighter than he is. His "joke" just shows me as FCA would say "what a total waste" the man(?) is.
Anyone who had any sense of shame, any remorse what so ever, wouldn't make a comment like that. I wonder how the media can call this a "joke". Seems like a pretty twisted sense of humor to me and it flat out infuriates me the media pointed this out as a joke. Had someone had the balls to call his comment a very SICK joke, I might not be so angry.

This just sickens me.. NO WAY will I believe Trayvon said

"You got me, you got me, you got me"

after being shot in the heart. I'm just not buying that one.
Is there someone on RC with medical knowledge who know
if this is probable?

I can't imagine being able to utter anything much less repeat it three times.

WeeBonnie wrote:breaking: new evidence released via Zims website:


http://m.wdbo.com/news/news/local/breaking-new-evidence-released-trayvon-martin-case/nPbfp/

Here's the link to the video reenactment:

http://cmgdigital.brightcove.com.edgesuite.net/268012959001/268012959001_1699804655001_video-reenactment-0227.mp4

I'd never seen the reenactment video before @ link above.
Very odd, he has a million excuses why he's stalking this kid. And says that plenty was said in the 9/11 call that wasn't in any recording I heard. And he left out "effing *oons" and "always get away".

It added more conversation to make it seem like the PD asked him to see where the kid was going, and that Trayvon was circling the car.
So, correct me of I'm wrong- but I don't recall any of this from the non 911 call.

Marica wrote:This just sickens me.. NO WAY will I believe Trayvon said

"You got me, you got me, you got me"

after being shot in the heart. I'm just not buying that one.
Is there someone on RC with medical knowledge who know
if this is probable?

I can't imagine being able to utter anything much less repeat it three times.

WeeBonnie wrote:breaking: new evidence released via Zims website:


http://m.wdbo.com/news/news/local/breaking-new-evidence-released-trayvon-martin-case/nPbfp/

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-06-21/news/os-george-zimmerman-defense-documents-20120621_1_shooting-death-statements-defense
George Zimmerman's statements about shooting of Trayvon Martin released by defense